April 27, 2026 • 31 mins
Sam Guggenheimer admits social media turned her into a ‘mean person. Matt Zukowski labels Tammy Hembrow’s cheating accusations as ‘lies’. Rumours are swirling that Chloe Szep and Mitch Orval have broke up again… AND in devastating news Harry Styles may officially be off the market.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torba, I'm Kate Talba, and I'm Sophie Torba. And
coming up on today's show, Sam Guggenheimer admits social media
turned her into a mean person. Matt Zakowski labels Tammy
Hambrose cheating accusations as lies, and in devastating news, Harry
(00:26):
Styles may officially be off the market, but first rumors
are swirling that Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orville have broken
up again. They influencer couple who've been together for over
a decade, got engaged in twenty twenty four and shared
two young kids together. Now Kate what sparked these rumors, well,
Followers have noticed that the pair are no longer following
(00:47):
each other on social media, which is often a telltale
sign that something has gone on behind the scenes. Eagle
eyed followers also spotted that Chloe is no longer wearing
her engagement ring. She's also removed the term fiance from
her Instagram bio and unpin the real announcing their engagement.
It also appears she's removed some photos with Mitch from
(01:07):
her profile, so people are wondering if she's potentially blocked him.
It sounds like something nasty's gone on, because you don't
just go and unfollow the father of your children and
delete photos. If this was some kind of amicable breakup,
you would remain free. I also think there's an added
element that they're in the public eye, so people are
going to notice these things. It's like she almost wants
people to know that they're not together. Despite all of
(01:29):
this going on, behind the scenes, Mitch has been active
on socials, so on Sunday, he shared that he and
his sons were visiting someone in hospital, and Mitch made
a comment to the boys that, oh, this is a
hospital that you were born in. He then later shared
a quote that said, the pain of what you're feeling
is nothing compared to the joy that's coming. No matter
what shit situations happen, something good is coming to me.
(01:50):
This is even more confirmation that they aren't together anymore
and that Mitch is in a troubling spot. Chloe's behavior
is sort of reminiscent of Jewel's Nails to smaller scale
because I know it might not sound like a big
deal to unfollow someone on social media, But when you
are a prominent influencer, this is a huge sign to
your followers. Hey, we're not together, we're not friends. Something
(02:11):
has gone on. The awkward thing about it was it
was only a few weeks ago that Chloe was singing
the praises of marriage counseling, So it seems like that
isn't going well. Yeah, we spoke about that a couple
of weeks ago because it appeared to be this undisclosed
ad and she said at the time she believed every
couple needs to have marriage counseling just before or after
they have kids. She also said that she and Mitch
(02:32):
wouldn't have had such a tumultuous relationship if they had
spoken to a marriage counselor when they had their first son, Ahti,
this is removing all of the good work that Tylie
Smithe and her boyfriend ned have been doing to talk
about how when you do marriage counseling or couple counseling,
it doesn't mean that you're in a hard spot in
your relationship. Yeah, but we spoke about it at the time.
Sometimes people leave marriage counseling or pre marriage counseling until
(02:56):
it's too late. It's just a strange turn of events,
considering then did the nine week marriage counseling session at
the end of last year and they claimed that it
completely transformed their relationship. Mitch even promoted the marriage counselor
at the start of the year on its Instagram, and
when he did so, he actually revealed that Chloe was
the one that wanted to do it, and he wrote
(03:16):
as males, when you hear your partner wants to do counseling,
you assume things are over, but in reality it feels
like a new beginning. It is a bit awkward, particularly
because this was an add and they were talking about
how much it's helped their relationship when clearly it hasn't
been that helpful. Or, as you said, Amy, maybe it's
just been a case that they left it too late.
I think it's also obvious that Chloe is the one
(03:37):
that has pulled the trigger and made the decision, particularly
if she was the one that came to Mitch and said, look,
we need to see a marriage counselor. I think what
makes it sadder about her unfollowing Mitch on social media
is the fact that even if they aren't together, anymore.
They are still going to have to co parent their kids.
So you want them to have a good relationship. Sure,
it's just a brief thing, Like obviously something has blown
up and she's felt like she needs to block him
(03:59):
or remove him. But could this be a sky wheatly
lucky situation? Hope? So, because I love them together. I mean,
this isn't the first time they've broken up. There, you know,
they've had a long history of breaking up and getting
back together. Remember the movie room situation. Well, they've been
together since they were teenagers, so it's not unusual for
couples who've been together for that long to have some
(04:19):
time apart, break up, get back together. And a lot
has change for them. I mean they've got two young children.
Mitch's returned to a nine to five job. I mean,
Chloe's also sold her business and is a stay at
home mum. They found God. Well, there's also been some
financial struggles with the closure of Zepp as well, so
that all adds a lot of pressure to a relationship.
I wonder how this is going to go for Chloe
(04:40):
because she has rebranded herself as a bit of a
trad wife online. She's launched a substack, which we spoke
about a couple of months ago, which didn't receive a
huge response online. I wonder if Chloe will open up
about this potential breakup in her substack, because she launched
a couple of months ago, and she really branded herself
as this trad wife and this stay at home mum.
(05:01):
Not to be that person, because I feel really sorry
for both Chloe and Mitch. But we had a lot
of backlash when we put up a TikTok discussing our
views on trad wives and how we didn't agree with
it being glamorized. And this is the issue. If you
do break up with your partner and you are a
trad wife those years that you've spent in the home,
it does set you back if you don't have other
(05:21):
stuff going on. I mean, lucky for Chloe, she has
other things to fall back on. But this was our
very argument. Yeah, but I also want to point out
that I do think that it is fantastic for kids
to have a consistent parent in law life who does
make the sacrifice to be at home with them and
spend time with them, whether that is the mum or
the dad, or whether it's shared equally or it is
(05:41):
other grandparents home. I mean I heard Abby Chatfield talking
about it. I think it was last year, and she
was saying, this is why the husband should actually give
money towards the wife's super when you're out of the
workforce for a number of years. Just in these kind
of situations because all marriages, unfortunately, they don't all laugh
or relationships. I know Chloe and Mitch weren't yet married.
(06:04):
They've been together for ten years and have two kids.
They're basically made. They are in the eyes of the court.
I mean, I'm hoping this is a small blip and
we might see them refollow each other and work through
their relationship. Maybe we might see some more marriage counseling ads. Okay,
I was eladed. Page six just announced that Harry Styles
and Zone Cravats are engaged. So my morning's taking a
(06:24):
turn now.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Fans around the world are reeling that Harry Styles may
officially be off the market. The pop star and his
actor girlfriend Zoe Kravitz appear to have soft launched their
engagement after just eight months together. So where were you
when you first saw this news? I was scrolling on
my phone and this popped up. These pap photos and
I thought, surely not. They haven't been together for very long.
(06:48):
This is surely some bullshit tabloid story, but there does
seem to be a lot of truth to this. I
want to point out though that listeners will know I
am a one D stand but fortunately for my mental health,
I'm actually more of a fan of Louis Tomlinson that
I am of Harry Styles, which is controversial. And also,
you are married, so this shouldn't rock you that much.
I don't think we should shame people who have been
(07:08):
rocked by this if they're in a relationship or married,
because it's different, like it, it is hard when you
see your celebrity crush move on. And I mean recently,
Dean Guya announced that he and his wife were having
a baby, and I was like, oh, why do I
feel weird about Like, I'm thrilled for them, my ex
boyfriend is having a baby. That's the key thing is
that I think when it hits really hard is when
(07:31):
this has been a crush of yours since you're a teenager.
So a lot of people are saying that this news
has made them feel sixteen again, and I don't think
a lot of people ship this relationship e though, no
they don't. Now let's talk about the photos that have
sparked these rumors. So the couple were papped when they
were out on a stroll around London, and they were
very casually dressed at the time. They both had baseball
(07:52):
caps on. It looked like they didn't want to stand
out or be noticed. But what people did notice was
the massive fuck off ring on Zoe's left hand. It's
a massive diamond, isn't it? Like you could not not
notice it in the photograph. Now The Sun was the
first to publish these photos and break the news. They
ran with the headline Harry Styles and Zoe Cravis kiss
(08:12):
in London as she spotted wearing huge diamond ring on
left hand. Now, these rumors gained even more momentum when
the couple were peraped two days later outside a London hotel.
So in the photos, Harry was leading Zoe to a
waiting car before he leaned in and gave her a
kiss goodbye, and she was again wearing the same ring. Now.
(08:33):
Page six seemingly confirmed the news on Friday. According to
the publication, several sources claim that Harry and Zoe are
on cloud nine. Another said Harry is completely smitten and
would jump off a cliff for her very strange quote
to include. I think the weirdest thing about this relationship
for a lot of one direction fans has been that
(08:53):
Harry previously has been quite private, and so there's always
been this thought that is is this a fake relationship?
Power relationship? Yeah. Now, as soon as the news broke
that Harry Styles could potentially be off the market, fans
were not doing well. I saw one tweet sum it
up perfectly. It read, I know I never had a
(09:14):
chance with Harry Starles, but this really cements it now.
Another said Harry Styles got engaged and it's not me.
Someone else wrote for my mental health, this is a
I I just think that it seems like a lot
of Harry Styles fans are in the very first stage
of grief, which is of course denial. Because fans quickly
started to speculate that the ring was simply an item
(09:36):
from a collaboration that Zoe did with a jewelry brand
called Jessica McCormack, well that she just so happens to
wear on her wedding. N Yeah. Well. One fan on
TikTok wrote, it's for a jewelry brand she's an ambassador for.
They dropped a new collection. People are saying, she wears
rings like that all the time, So I don't even know,
don't you love? It reminds me of when you were
sixteen and you'd be so delusional about all like your
(09:58):
celebrity crushes. Oh no, they're not going out together. They're
looking for every reason for it not to be true.
You can see why so many teen heartthrobs had to
actually hide the fact that they had a partner. It's
like when all the AFL players would take their mum
to the brown Though. You're like, oh my god, there's
such a nice guy. No, they were tuning about ten girls.
That's why they brought their mud. There was nothing more
heartbreaking as a teenager watching the Brown Low and seeing
(10:19):
the glamours on that your favorite player was with. You're like, fuck,
why couldn't that be there? And the guy would always
look like twenty one his age, and the girl would
look like in her thirties, Like she would just look
like a real woman. Yeah, getting back to these theories
about the ring, I do want to point out that
Zoe does actually often wear large diamond rings, but fans
have pointed out that they have mostly been on her
(10:40):
left pinky finger, and fans have even found the campaign
that she did at Christmas time for this brand, she
was actually wearing a large diamond on her ring finger,
but it was on her right hand, which I want
to point out, well, of course she was, because it
was an advert. All experts have even weighed in, as
you can imagine, a lot of publications are speaking to
jewelry design, and they have analyzed this photo of the
(11:02):
ring within an inch of its life, and they've come
to the conclusion that this is a new piece of jury.
This is not from the collection. So the ring that
Zoe was pictured in, it's a more minimalist design, it's sleeaker,
it features a different setting than the typical vintage style
from Jessica McCormack's line. Experts have also predicted that this
diamond is more than ten carrots and valued at over
(11:23):
five hundred thousand Aussie dollars. Why did I think it'd
be more? I'm no jewelry expert, but I could have
told you that this was an engagement ring, Like why
are they bothering to interview these people? Thing is that
if you are in the public eye. You're dating the
world's biggest pop star. You're not just playing around with
putting a ring on your wedding, particularly if you're out
on a casual stroll. Some fans have moved on from
(11:45):
the denial stage to the acceptance phase, but the general
consensus is a feeling of disappointment. So instead of celebrating
the news, many fans have criticized Zoe's history of high
profile engagements and questioned the couple's relationship time. Yeah, I
want to briefly run you through this timeline because it
is quite interesting. So they were first spotted together in
(12:05):
Rome in August last year. Since then, they've been seen
together several times in London and New York. It's not
exactly clear when they first started dating, but they've publicly
been seen together for the past eight months, which some
fans are saying is not long enough. They're not happy
that this engagement seems to be such a whirlwind and
so quick. I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break it to
(12:28):
Harry Styles fans, but once you get into your thirties,
when you know, you know, and that appears to what's
what's happened here? Like they are in their thirties, but
I'm the fans are, but the fans are in their thirties. True.
It's like all the people that watch Justin Bieber's Coachella performance, there'
saw so many tiktoks and they're like when you see
(12:48):
the man that you thought you were going to marry,
or that you were supposed to marry. I saw this
TikTok of this woman. It was like my friend who
has two children and in his six weeks postpartiment, it
was like, that's she'd be me and she's cry so much.
I think the reality is so that there is a
lot of misogyny around this announcement or this rumor, and
(13:09):
the worst part is it's coming from female. I mean,
I think firstly, people don't like the fact that she's
older than Harry. So she's thirty seven, he's thirty two,
which I want to point out that's the age gap
between my husband and I. Those are exact ages. The
big deal, I know, thirty seven is young. Pere also
don't like the fact that she's been engaged two times.
Prior so, she was engaged to actor Karl Glossman. They
pair ended up marrying in twenty nineteen. They divorced in
(13:31):
twenty twenty one. Most recently, she was engaged to Channing Tatum,
so he popped the question in twenty twenty three, but
they split in twenty twenty four. The only thing that
surprises me is just how different these men all look like.
She doesn't have a type, but it just hot is
a type?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, imagine go from Channing Tatum to Harry Styles. I mean,
how lucky can some people get. Here's a taste of
some of the comments people have been writing about Chloe
under some of these articles. Someone wrote, she's collecting engagement
rings like Infinity Style. I think that's a comment that
tammy hammer. Another said, wasn't she just engaged to Channing
Tatum not that long ago?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Another said this gives me daddy issue vibes. I want
to point out, for those who don't know, Zoe's dad is,
of course, legendary singer Lenny Kravitz. And if those engagement
rumors are true, isn't it wild to think that Lenny
Kravitz is going to be Harry Style's father in law
if they end up having children. Can you imagine how
I'm musically talented? They will be I have to say,
when you were reading some of those tweets out, particularly
the one about wasn't she just engaged to Channing Tatum,
(14:30):
there was a part of me, as someone who was
a Harry Styles fan that was like, it is a
bit greedy. I mean, yeah, so thirty seven where thirty seven?
That could be me? Well, one TikTok use a joke
that Zoe's game needs to be studied. Let's have a
listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Zoey Kravitz, because I need to understand her game. I
need to interrogate her. I need to sit across a
table from her because at the very least maybe Osmosis
like her, like like she needs to be studied. He
is completely smitten.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
He would jump off a cliff for her.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I just need to know what she's doing right and
I'm doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Do we really need to analyze it? She's famous and hot.
I mean, she was catwoman in Batman. She's not Riars
as well. Clearly there's something about so Harry Styles loves
to date an older woman. So again, again Kate could
have been usked. She said, I wonder if this will
affect his career. I know that might sound really silly,
but he's no longer deemed as being attainable. A lot
of his shows, there's a lot of sex appeal going on,
(15:41):
and interestingly it coincides with a few people getting the
ick from Harry Styles on my TikTok algorithm. All I've seen. Well,
when he did the SNL appearance, a lot of people
were saying, oh, I've realized that Harry Styles has passed
his prime. And this was accart lied by a lot
of compilation videos of when he was in his early
twenties with his long hair. Do you know what's funny?
(16:02):
A lot of the videos for when he was like nineteen,
even like, hang on, he's a teenager in these. I
want to point out that I don't think he's icky
at all, like he is still hot to be I
found it. I found it more icky with the long hair.
Oh I loved him that really long though, like the
middle of the range.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
To be honest, I wasn't as cut by this news
because I did get the ick during the SNEL performance.
And I'm not saying that Harry Styles isn't an attractive man.
He clearly is, but I didn't like his accent. It's
no longer British. It's morphed into this weird combination of
like American. I actually thought he was putting on a
voice during it. I didn't find the jokes that funny,
(16:38):
his delivery wasn't that great and like, so, I mean,
I'm not saying he's past his prime, but I don't
I think this will affect his popularity. It's crazy because
all he did was actually speak the most he's ever
spoken in a TV thing, and everyone's like, oh, he
is not that oh like put your tech thing. Look,
there are other fans who think that this hole and
(17:00):
story is a pr move. A TikToker called Lel's, who
has one hundred and four thousand followers on TikTok and
shares pop culture News, said this, have you guys noticed
that anytime one of the One Direction boys is in
the news, a couple of days or a week later,
Harry Starles is also in the news. She has a point,
because this past week it's been all over the news
(17:20):
that Zayne and Louis have been embroiled in this fight,
which then their whole Netflix stocko got canned over. We
spoke about this on the Suck. They're probably so grateful
that this Harry Starles news is broken. That's the thing.
So like that news broke, then a couple of days later,
Harry's just randomly grabbing coffee with Zoe, who's wearing an
enormous rock I mean, what are they saying that Zoe's
taking one for the team. She's gone, I'm going to
(17:41):
put on my fake no fucking ring. Well, what they're
saying is it means that the attention is no longer
on Zaye and Louis. It's back to Harry. It's back
to the most I remember one d Yeah, but that
would make sense if they were still in a band
together and the pr was being managed. Like, are you
saying that Harry styles is like, oh, it must be
the center of attention out of the one people are
saying that this is just a theory because like the
tick talk. So also use the example that when Louie
(18:02):
was releasing his album in January, without any warning, Harry
dropped a new single on the same day Poor Louis.
Back in twenty twenty three, when Nia was out promoting
his album the same week, Harry was spotted on a
date with Taylor Russell. Has anyone else's hole for you
page just been nihil like, I don't know, like's been
a pop Up's not seen one thing because his song
(18:23):
is about Liam Payne. He's been popping on all over
on like different podcasts talking about how he hates because
I have not seen one thing. I'm sure my phone
is listening to me as we record one clip just
far time. I got sucked into watching one and now
it's all like him drinking guinness on lad Bible and
him talking about this big girlfriend. Nil never really stood
out to me in one direction, but as the boys
(18:46):
have gotten older, I actually think he's almost fed the
best in the looks department. Really, yeah, how much have
we spoken about Mayo's appearances in this time? I'm a
Zane Malleck girl. To be honest, Zane, really, have you
a bit of a bad boy, a bit of a
bad Yeah? You do like a bad boyfriend from time
to time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I went through a really dark path.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I turned into someone I could no longer recognize and
I did. I became quite an angry person, which, upon reflection,
I definitely think I was trying to protect myself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Sam Guggenheimer has admitted that social media turned her into
a mean person that she no longer recognized. The twenty
three year old made the confession in her podcast Return,
a month after she was accused of amplifying her friend
Bill Barker's fat phobic comments. Okay, this was a rather
interesting listen. Yeah, there was a lot of self reflection
(19:35):
going on. And let's call it for what it was.
It was damage control in its finest form, and it
well and truly was needed after Sam and Bill doubled
down after they were originally called out about that fat
phobic comment. Now, at the time, the pair said that
it wasn't their fault that their audience couldn't take a joke,
and after was popular, no, and after receiving a lot
(19:55):
of backlash, Sam later apologized, but the damage was well
and truly done. I have to say, though, her recent
attempt to take accountability for her actions on her podcast
was much more successful. She even conceded that she had
turned into a mean and rude person that she no
longer recognized. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I hated myself so much, and I thought everyone hated me,
and I just couldn't bear the saught of showing up
as my real self, and that's really not how I
want to be.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think we sometimes forget how young some of these
influences are. As you touched on Kate, She's only twenty
three years old and she's had to endure probably daily trolling,
and I think that when you're that age, you become
very defensive over it and you just want to hit
back at people. She's basically saying, look, I turned into
this caricature that you made up of me. Pretty big
(20:55):
of her to admit it too, to say on a
podcast as a twenty three year old was actually mean. Yeah,
of self reflection, and she did say that she has
returned to therapy and she's been working on her mental health.
She also spoke in depth about her battle with ADHD
and also anxiety again, which was incredibly brave of her.
Now she really didn't hold back in this episode. She
(21:18):
also revealed that there was a lot more she could
say but wasn't allowed to so, according to Sam, she
has been silenced due to ongoing legal and representation issues
dating back to the middle of last year. She said
she'd love to be honest and tell her audience the
full law, but is unable to as contract negotiations are
still going on behind the scenes. Let's take a listen
(21:39):
to more of what she said behind the camera.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I really haven't been okay since around mid last year.
I've been carrying a lot which is legal battles, people
telling me and pressuring me what to do, and a
constant stream of rumor and speculations about what's happened between
me and my ex co host.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Reading between the lines, it seems like she's referring to
issues surrounding her now defunct podcast, which she, of course
hosted with fellow Influenza and former friend Izzy Armity. Now,
I mean these two were inseparable for years, so much
so that they were seen as a duo rather than
separate entities online, and Sam actually said in an interview
late last year that it was a big part of
(22:21):
the problem between her and Izzy. Yeah, these women were
so intertwined that they actually shared a manager, Peru Corrigan,
who is the owner of talent agency and podcast network
One Daydream, who you mentioned before. They also managed Mattzakowski,
And this is where things get messy. So One day
Dream produced Sam and Izzy's podcast Just for Girls. However,
(22:42):
in June twenty twenty five, they announced that the women
would be launching their own solo podcasts, Despite it being
glaringly obvious that Sam and Izzy had fallen out, it
was sold as if this was like this expansion of
the Just for Girls brand. Clever Yeah. They even claimed
at the time that the Just for Girls podcast would
release monthly episodes. However, that only happened once. Now. Around
(23:03):
that time, Easy Armitage sought out a new agent for
a fresh start away from Sam. She is now managed
by Flair. Interestingly, though Sam is no longer listed as
talent on One day Dreams website and in Instagram bio,
her management email is simply management at samgoogs dot com. Now.
The One day Dream website still features the Just for
(23:23):
Girls podcasts and also Easy Armitage's solo podcast Hear Me
Out on its podcast page, but sam solo podcast, Hotter
Than Yesterday isn't featured at all. Interestingly though, the One
Daydream logo still appears on her artwork, so that to
me indicates that Sam still has contractual obligations with One
day Dream. But potentially that's who she's referring to regarding
(23:45):
this messy legal situation. I mean, would she be airing
that on said podcast. Then with the network, well, I mean,
I'm guessing that they can't tell her what she can
speak about, but they obviously have some sort of revenue
share agreement. It also seems like there's another friendship breakdown
brewing for Sammy Guggenheim. At this time, it's with Bill Barker,
(24:05):
so the pair have unfollowed each other on Instagram. Presumably
it's over the fat phobic drama that's gone on. Well,
last week, he told his TikTok followers that the past
four months have been hell and he's never been so
stressed in his life. He then said this, and this is.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Like a whole range of things, having hitty friends, Sammy trades,
steal money from me and trying to get that back,
and manages not being the right fit, whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean, I could see this happening a mile away.
When all the drama broke down, particularly because sam was
the one that shared Bill's comments on her TikTok, she
went away, she edited the video. In the video, she
joked that she was going to drop him in and
she certainly did. I wouldn't be happy if I was Bill.
The drama doesn't stop there for Sam, so after a
podcast episode dropped, she was also embroiled in another scandal.
(24:54):
So a screenshot of Sam's inbox, taken from a TikTok
video she shared in December, went viral. An eagle eyed
follower noticed an email receipt from a company called Prime Peptides.
Sam was immediately accused of using appetite suppressant peptides, and
allegation she has since denied. We are going to get
into that drama on Thursday's episode of Outspoken Plus.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Should I take it from me? Trust me, It's shall
pass and it does get a whole lot better.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Mattzakowski has responded to his ex wife, Tammy Hembro's cheating accusations.
Last week, the mega influencer inferred that her husband of
three months had cheated on her in a swiftly deleted
TikTok comment. I feel like this latest update from Matzakowski
is very on brand. So he has been very clever
with his pr strategy surrounding the breakup. His focus has
(25:45):
really been on sharing with his audience how his mental
health was impacted during and after this marriage, and while
the video touched on similar themes, we've heard him speak about.
It is also all but confirmed speculation. The Tammy's ex
fiance map is team map. The second let's take a
listen a little.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Every year go, I was in a pretty bad state mentally.
I was going through some things and I reached out
to someone who on paper I shouldn't really be friends with.
But I felt like I built a connection with them
that I could reach out to them. And I asked
them for a bit of advice because I felt like
they'd gone through something quite similar to me. And the
bit of advice that I remember they gave me heat.
(26:26):
So the bit I remember was they said, look like
life might feel down right now. You might feel like
you're at the bottom of the barrel. It's not going
to get any better. But they said, in six months
from now, twelve months from now, or at possibly eighteen
months from now, you're going to look back at this
stage and you're going to think, Wow, it does get
better and life is worth living.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I mean him saying I reached out to someone I
shouldn't really be friends with. He's definitely talking about Matt.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No one would think that you would feel comfortable to
reach out to your ex's ex and that you should
even be in communication. That's a pretty big clue there
that this is Matt Poole he's talking about. So awkward though,
because Tammy and Matt, the first from all accounts, seem
to have quite a good co parenting relationship. So I
feel awkward for Matt Paul that he keeps getting dragged
(27:14):
into this because he's obviously being a nice guy looking
out for Mattzakowski don't think he's been dragged into it though.
I think he's put out a few, you know, feelers.
But if you like, yeah, I mean how you go
in comments here and there. I actually think since this divorce,
it's been clear that Matt Paul isn't that happy with Tammy,
particularly because the two mats have been trading public social
(27:35):
media comments. I mean, it was only just recently that
the two mats were chatting about how cute Posey was
on a video that Matt Paul posted of her boogie boarding.
So Matt Sakowski commented underneath so cute, to which Matt
Paul responded, crazy hay full, big girl now. The commentary
received mixed reviews. One person thought it was a bit weird,
while others rushed to Matt's defense, saying he was Posey's stepfather.
(27:58):
Now back to these cheating allegations. Matt actually used this
video on mental health to refute these claims in the
comments section. So someone replied under the video writing gosh,
stop throwing shade just because she moved on, and Matt
ended up replying, Hey, with all dear respect, this has
nothing to do with any individual than myself. I am
trying to bring awareness to people who feel down that
(28:20):
it gets better, unlike some people who are throwing shade
with lies. I like that he responded in the comments
because that's how she set forth this allegation.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think that we have really seen a change in
the way that Matt Sakowski uses social media, particularly after
he's come off the show I'm a Celeb, and I
think that has a lot to do with his talent
agency One Day Dream, which he's been used, and they
are a top talent agency. I think that they are
jumping on board and telling him the types of content
that he should be sharing, focusing particularly on his struggles
(28:50):
with his mental health. Do you think that the two
mats are just waiting for Grayson to come over and
join them, like the little club that they for. I mean,
I think the door would be open in saying that.
I hope that Grayson doesn't come out of the relationship
like Matt Szakowski has, feeling, you know, mentally impacted by it.
There was a lot of chatter a couple of weeks
ago about Tammy jumping on the Happy Hour podcast and
(29:13):
sort of giving a bit of a tell all and
what actually went down behind the scenes. I am putting
it out there if the two mats would like to
appear on Outspoken, Oh and give their side of events,
we'd love to have them. I thought you were going
to say, get it legal first. I mean, we might
have to hear you have a fuck ton of money
put behind that episode for legal fees. But I thought
you guys would feel so uncomfortable. For you guys, especially
(29:34):
U Kate, the amount you have been talking about Tammy.
I've got my PhD on their relationship. I was the
one behind the deep dive, so I mean, yes, it
would be quite uncomfortable. Just to wrap this segment up,
we need to talk about Tammy Hembro and a new boyfriend,
Grayson Timouana on the red carpet at the Lion King
musical premiere in Sydney. Let me guess they were all
over She literally looked like Pamela Anderson from the nineties.
(29:58):
Like a few people in the comment section, I was saying,
hold on a second, I had to do a double take.
I thought this was a throwback photo to the nineties.
It looked like one, didn't it. I mean, why were
they so dressed up for the Lion King? That's what
I want to know. That it was a movie premiere,
but it was like it was taken so serious. It's
a photo op, Sophie. I mean, and you know it's
a musical. It's not the movie, but yeah, yeah, I
know it's the music. I'm just saying, like they were
dressed to the absolute nines for this, but the friend, yeah,
(30:21):
it was a red carpet event. I mean, and Amy
to your question, yes, they were literally making out from
the paparazzi as they've come to expect. So can I
point out so this isn't the Marion Megaplex, it has
the red carpet that in Some of the people from
the media come down in their trackie DAGs like it
was just so serious, Like it was like it was
the Brown Low or something. Maybe it was the look
that she was going to wear to the Brownlow with
(30:41):
Bailey Smith. Well, I think it was Olivia's exprestie style
by Bloom Paul Verzarchi who dressed her, and they seem
to be very close to the He really shocked that
they would be this dressed up. I'm sorry, but these
two were the most attention seeking couple I've ever seen
on TikTok and I meet that with full respect to
you guys, like, tell me a job to get attentions exactly, Temmy,
you know how to use TikTok and you're doing a
(31:01):
good job. Well that is where we're going to leave
things today. But if you want to hear more from us,
we drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every Thursday to
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(31:22):
all the details are in the show notes. This podcast
was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people
of the Adelaide planes. We pay respect to elders past
and present,
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torba, I'm Kate Talba, and I'm Sophie Torba. And
coming up on today's show, Sam Guggenheimer admits social media
turned her into a mean person. Matt Zakowski labels Tammy
Hambrose cheating accusations as lies, and in devastating news, Harry
(00:26):
Styles may officially be off the market, but first rumors
are swirling that Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orville have broken
up again. They influencer couple who've been together for over
a decade, got engaged in twenty twenty four and shared
two young kids together. Now Kate what sparked these rumors, well,
Followers have noticed that the pair are no longer following
(00:47):
each other on social media, which is often a telltale
sign that something has gone on behind the scenes. Eagle
eyed followers also spotted that Chloe is no longer wearing
her engagement ring. She's also removed the term fiance from
her Instagram bio and unpin the real announcing their engagement.
It also appears she's removed some photos with Mitch from
(01:07):
her profile, so people are wondering if she's potentially blocked him.
It sounds like something nasty's gone on, because you don't
just go and unfollow the father of your children and
delete photos. If this was some kind of amicable breakup,
you would remain free. I also think there's an added
element that they're in the public eye, so people are
going to notice these things. It's like she almost wants
people to know that they're not together. Despite all of
(01:29):
this going on, behind the scenes, Mitch has been active
on socials, so on Sunday, he shared that he and
his sons were visiting someone in hospital, and Mitch made
a comment to the boys that, oh, this is a
hospital that you were born in. He then later shared
a quote that said, the pain of what you're feeling
is nothing compared to the joy that's coming. No matter
what shit situations happen, something good is coming to me.
(01:50):
This is even more confirmation that they aren't together anymore
and that Mitch is in a troubling spot. Chloe's behavior
is sort of reminiscent of Jewel's Nails to smaller scale
because I know it might not sound like a big
deal to unfollow someone on social media, But when you
are a prominent influencer, this is a huge sign to
your followers. Hey, we're not together, we're not friends. Something
(02:11):
has gone on. The awkward thing about it was it
was only a few weeks ago that Chloe was singing
the praises of marriage counseling, So it seems like that
isn't going well. Yeah, we spoke about that a couple
of weeks ago because it appeared to be this undisclosed
ad and she said at the time she believed every
couple needs to have marriage counseling just before or after
they have kids. She also said that she and Mitch
(02:32):
wouldn't have had such a tumultuous relationship if they had
spoken to a marriage counselor when they had their first son, Ahti,
this is removing all of the good work that Tylie
Smithe and her boyfriend ned have been doing to talk
about how when you do marriage counseling or couple counseling,
it doesn't mean that you're in a hard spot in
your relationship. Yeah, but we spoke about it at the time.
Sometimes people leave marriage counseling or pre marriage counseling until
(02:56):
it's too late. It's just a strange turn of events,
considering then did the nine week marriage counseling session at
the end of last year and they claimed that it
completely transformed their relationship. Mitch even promoted the marriage counselor
at the start of the year on its Instagram, and
when he did so, he actually revealed that Chloe was
the one that wanted to do it, and he wrote
(03:16):
as males, when you hear your partner wants to do counseling,
you assume things are over, but in reality it feels
like a new beginning. It is a bit awkward, particularly
because this was an add and they were talking about
how much it's helped their relationship when clearly it hasn't
been that helpful. Or, as you said, Amy, maybe it's
just been a case that they left it too late.
I think it's also obvious that Chloe is the one
(03:37):
that has pulled the trigger and made the decision, particularly
if she was the one that came to Mitch and said, look,
we need to see a marriage counselor. I think what
makes it sadder about her unfollowing Mitch on social media
is the fact that even if they aren't together, anymore.
They are still going to have to co parent their kids.
So you want them to have a good relationship. Sure,
it's just a brief thing, Like obviously something has blown
up and she's felt like she needs to block him
(03:59):
or remove him. But could this be a sky wheatly
lucky situation? Hope? So, because I love them together. I mean,
this isn't the first time they've broken up. There, you know,
they've had a long history of breaking up and getting
back together. Remember the movie room situation. Well, they've been
together since they were teenagers, so it's not unusual for
couples who've been together for that long to have some
(04:19):
time apart, break up, get back together. And a lot
has change for them. I mean they've got two young children.
Mitch's returned to a nine to five job. I mean,
Chloe's also sold her business and is a stay at
home mum. They found God. Well, there's also been some
financial struggles with the closure of Zepp as well, so
that all adds a lot of pressure to a relationship.
I wonder how this is going to go for Chloe
(04:40):
because she has rebranded herself as a bit of a
trad wife online. She's launched a substack, which we spoke
about a couple of months ago, which didn't receive a
huge response online. I wonder if Chloe will open up
about this potential breakup in her substack, because she launched
a couple of months ago, and she really branded herself
as this trad wife and this stay at home mum.
(05:01):
Not to be that person, because I feel really sorry
for both Chloe and Mitch. But we had a lot
of backlash when we put up a TikTok discussing our
views on trad wives and how we didn't agree with
it being glamorized. And this is the issue. If you
do break up with your partner and you are a
trad wife those years that you've spent in the home,
it does set you back if you don't have other
(05:21):
stuff going on. I mean, lucky for Chloe, she has
other things to fall back on. But this was our
very argument. Yeah, but I also want to point out
that I do think that it is fantastic for kids
to have a consistent parent in law life who does
make the sacrifice to be at home with them and
spend time with them, whether that is the mum or
the dad, or whether it's shared equally or it is
(05:41):
other grandparents home. I mean I heard Abby Chatfield talking
about it. I think it was last year, and she
was saying, this is why the husband should actually give
money towards the wife's super when you're out of the
workforce for a number of years. Just in these kind
of situations because all marriages, unfortunately, they don't all laugh
or relationships. I know Chloe and Mitch weren't yet married.
(06:04):
They've been together for ten years and have two kids.
They're basically made. They are in the eyes of the court.
I mean, I'm hoping this is a small blip and
we might see them refollow each other and work through
their relationship. Maybe we might see some more marriage counseling ads. Okay,
I was eladed. Page six just announced that Harry Styles
and Zone Cravats are engaged. So my morning's taking a
(06:24):
turn now.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Fans around the world are reeling that Harry Styles may
officially be off the market. The pop star and his
actor girlfriend Zoe Kravitz appear to have soft launched their
engagement after just eight months together. So where were you
when you first saw this news? I was scrolling on
my phone and this popped up. These pap photos and
I thought, surely not. They haven't been together for very long.
(06:48):
This is surely some bullshit tabloid story, but there does
seem to be a lot of truth to this. I
want to point out though that listeners will know I
am a one D stand but fortunately for my mental health,
I'm actually more of a fan of Louis Tomlinson that
I am of Harry Styles, which is controversial. And also,
you are married, so this shouldn't rock you that much.
I don't think we should shame people who have been
(07:08):
rocked by this if they're in a relationship or married,
because it's different, like it, it is hard when you
see your celebrity crush move on. And I mean recently,
Dean Guya announced that he and his wife were having
a baby, and I was like, oh, why do I
feel weird about Like, I'm thrilled for them, my ex
boyfriend is having a baby. That's the key thing is
that I think when it hits really hard is when
(07:31):
this has been a crush of yours since you're a teenager.
So a lot of people are saying that this news
has made them feel sixteen again, and I don't think
a lot of people ship this relationship e though, no
they don't. Now let's talk about the photos that have
sparked these rumors. So the couple were papped when they
were out on a stroll around London, and they were
very casually dressed at the time. They both had baseball
(07:52):
caps on. It looked like they didn't want to stand
out or be noticed. But what people did notice was
the massive fuck off ring on Zoe's left hand. It's
a massive diamond, isn't it? Like you could not not
notice it in the photograph. Now The Sun was the
first to publish these photos and break the news. They
ran with the headline Harry Styles and Zoe Cravis kiss
(08:12):
in London as she spotted wearing huge diamond ring on
left hand. Now, these rumors gained even more momentum when
the couple were peraped two days later outside a London hotel.
So in the photos, Harry was leading Zoe to a
waiting car before he leaned in and gave her a
kiss goodbye, and she was again wearing the same ring. Now.
(08:33):
Page six seemingly confirmed the news on Friday. According to
the publication, several sources claim that Harry and Zoe are
on cloud nine. Another said Harry is completely smitten and
would jump off a cliff for her very strange quote
to include. I think the weirdest thing about this relationship
for a lot of one direction fans has been that
(08:53):
Harry previously has been quite private, and so there's always
been this thought that is is this a fake relationship?
Power relationship? Yeah. Now, as soon as the news broke
that Harry Styles could potentially be off the market, fans
were not doing well. I saw one tweet sum it
up perfectly. It read, I know I never had a
(09:14):
chance with Harry Starles, but this really cements it now.
Another said Harry Styles got engaged and it's not me.
Someone else wrote for my mental health, this is a
I I just think that it seems like a lot
of Harry Styles fans are in the very first stage
of grief, which is of course denial. Because fans quickly
started to speculate that the ring was simply an item
(09:36):
from a collaboration that Zoe did with a jewelry brand
called Jessica McCormack, well that she just so happens to
wear on her wedding. N Yeah. Well. One fan on
TikTok wrote, it's for a jewelry brand she's an ambassador for.
They dropped a new collection. People are saying, she wears
rings like that all the time, So I don't even know,
don't you love? It reminds me of when you were
sixteen and you'd be so delusional about all like your
(09:58):
celebrity crushes. Oh no, they're not going out together. They're
looking for every reason for it not to be true.
You can see why so many teen heartthrobs had to
actually hide the fact that they had a partner. It's
like when all the AFL players would take their mum
to the brown Though. You're like, oh my god, there's
such a nice guy. No, they were tuning about ten girls.
That's why they brought their mud. There was nothing more
heartbreaking as a teenager watching the Brown Low and seeing
(10:19):
the glamours on that your favorite player was with. You're like, fuck,
why couldn't that be there? And the guy would always
look like twenty one his age, and the girl would
look like in her thirties, Like she would just look
like a real woman. Yeah, getting back to these theories
about the ring, I do want to point out that
Zoe does actually often wear large diamond rings, but fans
have pointed out that they have mostly been on her
(10:40):
left pinky finger, and fans have even found the campaign
that she did at Christmas time for this brand, she
was actually wearing a large diamond on her ring finger,
but it was on her right hand, which I want
to point out, well, of course she was, because it
was an advert. All experts have even weighed in, as
you can imagine, a lot of publications are speaking to
jewelry design, and they have analyzed this photo of the
(11:02):
ring within an inch of its life, and they've come
to the conclusion that this is a new piece of jury.
This is not from the collection. So the ring that
Zoe was pictured in, it's a more minimalist design, it's sleeaker,
it features a different setting than the typical vintage style
from Jessica McCormack's line. Experts have also predicted that this
diamond is more than ten carrots and valued at over
(11:23):
five hundred thousand Aussie dollars. Why did I think it'd
be more? I'm no jewelry expert, but I could have
told you that this was an engagement ring, Like why
are they bothering to interview these people? Thing is that
if you are in the public eye. You're dating the
world's biggest pop star. You're not just playing around with
putting a ring on your wedding, particularly if you're out
on a casual stroll. Some fans have moved on from
(11:45):
the denial stage to the acceptance phase, but the general
consensus is a feeling of disappointment. So instead of celebrating
the news, many fans have criticized Zoe's history of high
profile engagements and questioned the couple's relationship time. Yeah, I
want to briefly run you through this timeline because it
is quite interesting. So they were first spotted together in
(12:05):
Rome in August last year. Since then, they've been seen
together several times in London and New York. It's not
exactly clear when they first started dating, but they've publicly
been seen together for the past eight months, which some
fans are saying is not long enough. They're not happy
that this engagement seems to be such a whirlwind and
so quick. I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break it to
(12:28):
Harry Styles fans, but once you get into your thirties,
when you know, you know, and that appears to what's
what's happened here? Like they are in their thirties, but
I'm the fans are, but the fans are in their thirties. True.
It's like all the people that watch Justin Bieber's Coachella performance, there'
saw so many tiktoks and they're like when you see
(12:48):
the man that you thought you were going to marry,
or that you were supposed to marry. I saw this
TikTok of this woman. It was like my friend who
has two children and in his six weeks postpartiment, it
was like, that's she'd be me and she's cry so much.
I think the reality is so that there is a
lot of misogyny around this announcement or this rumor, and
(13:09):
the worst part is it's coming from female. I mean,
I think firstly, people don't like the fact that she's
older than Harry. So she's thirty seven, he's thirty two,
which I want to point out that's the age gap
between my husband and I. Those are exact ages. The
big deal, I know, thirty seven is young. Pere also
don't like the fact that she's been engaged two times.
Prior so, she was engaged to actor Karl Glossman. They
pair ended up marrying in twenty nineteen. They divorced in
(13:31):
twenty twenty one. Most recently, she was engaged to Channing Tatum,
so he popped the question in twenty twenty three, but
they split in twenty twenty four. The only thing that
surprises me is just how different these men all look like.
She doesn't have a type, but it just hot is
a type?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, imagine go from Channing Tatum to Harry Styles. I mean,
how lucky can some people get. Here's a taste of
some of the comments people have been writing about Chloe
under some of these articles. Someone wrote, she's collecting engagement
rings like Infinity Style. I think that's a comment that
tammy hammer. Another said, wasn't she just engaged to Channing
Tatum not that long ago?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Another said this gives me daddy issue vibes. I want
to point out, for those who don't know, Zoe's dad is,
of course, legendary singer Lenny Kravitz. And if those engagement
rumors are true, isn't it wild to think that Lenny
Kravitz is going to be Harry Style's father in law
if they end up having children. Can you imagine how
I'm musically talented? They will be I have to say,
when you were reading some of those tweets out, particularly
the one about wasn't she just engaged to Channing Tatum,
(14:30):
there was a part of me, as someone who was
a Harry Styles fan that was like, it is a
bit greedy. I mean, yeah, so thirty seven where thirty seven?
That could be me? Well, one TikTok use a joke
that Zoe's game needs to be studied. Let's have a
listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Zoey Kravitz, because I need to understand her game. I
need to interrogate her. I need to sit across a
table from her because at the very least maybe Osmosis
like her, like like she needs to be studied. He
is completely smitten.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
He would jump off a cliff for her.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I just need to know what she's doing right and
I'm doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Do we really need to analyze it? She's famous and hot.
I mean, she was catwoman in Batman. She's not Riars
as well. Clearly there's something about so Harry Styles loves
to date an older woman. So again, again Kate could
have been usked. She said, I wonder if this will
affect his career. I know that might sound really silly,
but he's no longer deemed as being attainable. A lot
of his shows, there's a lot of sex appeal going on,
(15:41):
and interestingly it coincides with a few people getting the
ick from Harry Styles on my TikTok algorithm. All I've seen. Well,
when he did the SNL appearance, a lot of people
were saying, oh, I've realized that Harry Styles has passed
his prime. And this was accart lied by a lot
of compilation videos of when he was in his early
twenties with his long hair. Do you know what's funny?
(16:02):
A lot of the videos for when he was like nineteen,
even like, hang on, he's a teenager in these. I
want to point out that I don't think he's icky
at all, like he is still hot to be I
found it. I found it more icky with the long hair.
Oh I loved him that really long though, like the
middle of the range.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
To be honest, I wasn't as cut by this news
because I did get the ick during the SNEL performance.
And I'm not saying that Harry Styles isn't an attractive man.
He clearly is, but I didn't like his accent. It's
no longer British. It's morphed into this weird combination of
like American. I actually thought he was putting on a
voice during it. I didn't find the jokes that funny,
(16:38):
his delivery wasn't that great and like, so, I mean,
I'm not saying he's past his prime, but I don't
I think this will affect his popularity. It's crazy because
all he did was actually speak the most he's ever
spoken in a TV thing, and everyone's like, oh, he
is not that oh like put your tech thing. Look,
there are other fans who think that this hole and
(17:00):
story is a pr move. A TikToker called Lel's, who
has one hundred and four thousand followers on TikTok and
shares pop culture News, said this, have you guys noticed
that anytime one of the One Direction boys is in
the news, a couple of days or a week later,
Harry Starles is also in the news. She has a point,
because this past week it's been all over the news
(17:20):
that Zayne and Louis have been embroiled in this fight,
which then their whole Netflix stocko got canned over. We
spoke about this on the Suck. They're probably so grateful
that this Harry Starles news is broken. That's the thing.
So like that news broke, then a couple of days later,
Harry's just randomly grabbing coffee with Zoe, who's wearing an
enormous rock I mean, what are they saying that Zoe's
taking one for the team. She's gone, I'm going to
(17:41):
put on my fake no fucking ring. Well, what they're
saying is it means that the attention is no longer
on Zaye and Louis. It's back to Harry. It's back
to the most I remember one d Yeah, but that
would make sense if they were still in a band
together and the pr was being managed. Like, are you
saying that Harry styles is like, oh, it must be
the center of attention out of the one people are
saying that this is just a theory because like the
tick talk. So also use the example that when Louie
(18:02):
was releasing his album in January, without any warning, Harry
dropped a new single on the same day Poor Louis.
Back in twenty twenty three, when Nia was out promoting
his album the same week, Harry was spotted on a
date with Taylor Russell. Has anyone else's hole for you
page just been nihil like, I don't know, like's been
a pop Up's not seen one thing because his song
(18:23):
is about Liam Payne. He's been popping on all over
on like different podcasts talking about how he hates because
I have not seen one thing. I'm sure my phone
is listening to me as we record one clip just
far time. I got sucked into watching one and now
it's all like him drinking guinness on lad Bible and
him talking about this big girlfriend. Nil never really stood
out to me in one direction, but as the boys
(18:46):
have gotten older, I actually think he's almost fed the
best in the looks department. Really, yeah, how much have
we spoken about Mayo's appearances in this time? I'm a
Zane Malleck girl. To be honest, Zane, really, have you
a bit of a bad boy, a bit of a
bad Yeah? You do like a bad boyfriend from time
to time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I went through a really dark path.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I turned into someone I could no longer recognize and
I did. I became quite an angry person, which, upon reflection,
I definitely think I was trying to protect myself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Sam Guggenheimer has admitted that social media turned her into
a mean person that she no longer recognized. The twenty
three year old made the confession in her podcast Return,
a month after she was accused of amplifying her friend
Bill Barker's fat phobic comments. Okay, this was a rather
interesting listen. Yeah, there was a lot of self reflection
(19:35):
going on. And let's call it for what it was.
It was damage control in its finest form, and it
well and truly was needed after Sam and Bill doubled
down after they were originally called out about that fat
phobic comment. Now, at the time, the pair said that
it wasn't their fault that their audience couldn't take a joke,
and after was popular, no, and after receiving a lot
(19:55):
of backlash, Sam later apologized, but the damage was well
and truly done. I have to say, though, her recent
attempt to take accountability for her actions on her podcast
was much more successful. She even conceded that she had
turned into a mean and rude person that she no
longer recognized. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I hated myself so much, and I thought everyone hated me,
and I just couldn't bear the saught of showing up
as my real self, and that's really not how I
want to be.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think we sometimes forget how young some of these
influences are. As you touched on Kate, She's only twenty
three years old and she's had to endure probably daily trolling,
and I think that when you're that age, you become
very defensive over it and you just want to hit
back at people. She's basically saying, look, I turned into
this caricature that you made up of me. Pretty big
(20:55):
of her to admit it too, to say on a
podcast as a twenty three year old was actually mean. Yeah,
of self reflection, and she did say that she has
returned to therapy and she's been working on her mental health.
She also spoke in depth about her battle with ADHD
and also anxiety again, which was incredibly brave of her.
Now she really didn't hold back in this episode. She
(21:18):
also revealed that there was a lot more she could
say but wasn't allowed to so, according to Sam, she
has been silenced due to ongoing legal and representation issues
dating back to the middle of last year. She said
she'd love to be honest and tell her audience the
full law, but is unable to as contract negotiations are
still going on behind the scenes. Let's take a listen
(21:39):
to more of what she said behind the camera.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I really haven't been okay since around mid last year.
I've been carrying a lot which is legal battles, people
telling me and pressuring me what to do, and a
constant stream of rumor and speculations about what's happened between
me and my ex co host.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Reading between the lines, it seems like she's referring to
issues surrounding her now defunct podcast, which she, of course
hosted with fellow Influenza and former friend Izzy Armity. Now,
I mean these two were inseparable for years, so much
so that they were seen as a duo rather than
separate entities online, and Sam actually said in an interview
late last year that it was a big part of
(22:21):
the problem between her and Izzy. Yeah, these women were
so intertwined that they actually shared a manager, Peru Corrigan,
who is the owner of talent agency and podcast network
One Daydream, who you mentioned before. They also managed Mattzakowski,
And this is where things get messy. So One day
Dream produced Sam and Izzy's podcast Just for Girls. However,
(22:42):
in June twenty twenty five, they announced that the women
would be launching their own solo podcasts, Despite it being
glaringly obvious that Sam and Izzy had fallen out, it
was sold as if this was like this expansion of
the Just for Girls brand. Clever Yeah. They even claimed
at the time that the Just for Girls podcast would
release monthly episodes. However, that only happened once. Now. Around
(23:03):
that time, Easy Armitage sought out a new agent for
a fresh start away from Sam. She is now managed
by Flair. Interestingly, though Sam is no longer listed as
talent on One day Dreams website and in Instagram bio,
her management email is simply management at samgoogs dot com. Now.
The One day Dream website still features the Just for
(23:23):
Girls podcasts and also Easy Armitage's solo podcast Hear Me
Out on its podcast page, but sam solo podcast, Hotter
Than Yesterday isn't featured at all. Interestingly though, the One
Daydream logo still appears on her artwork, so that to
me indicates that Sam still has contractual obligations with One
day Dream. But potentially that's who she's referring to regarding
(23:45):
this messy legal situation. I mean, would she be airing
that on said podcast. Then with the network, well, I mean,
I'm guessing that they can't tell her what she can
speak about, but they obviously have some sort of revenue
share agreement. It also seems like there's another friendship breakdown
brewing for Sammy Guggenheim. At this time, it's with Bill Barker,
(24:05):
so the pair have unfollowed each other on Instagram. Presumably
it's over the fat phobic drama that's gone on. Well,
last week, he told his TikTok followers that the past
four months have been hell and he's never been so
stressed in his life. He then said this, and this is.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Like a whole range of things, having hitty friends, Sammy trades,
steal money from me and trying to get that back,
and manages not being the right fit, whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean, I could see this happening a mile away.
When all the drama broke down, particularly because sam was
the one that shared Bill's comments on her TikTok, she
went away, she edited the video. In the video, she
joked that she was going to drop him in and
she certainly did. I wouldn't be happy if I was Bill.
The drama doesn't stop there for Sam, so after a
podcast episode dropped, she was also embroiled in another scandal.
(24:54):
So a screenshot of Sam's inbox, taken from a TikTok
video she shared in December, went viral. An eagle eyed
follower noticed an email receipt from a company called Prime Peptides.
Sam was immediately accused of using appetite suppressant peptides, and
allegation she has since denied. We are going to get
into that drama on Thursday's episode of Outspoken Plus.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Should I take it from me? Trust me, It's shall
pass and it does get a whole lot better.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Mattzakowski has responded to his ex wife, Tammy Hembro's cheating accusations.
Last week, the mega influencer inferred that her husband of
three months had cheated on her in a swiftly deleted
TikTok comment. I feel like this latest update from Matzakowski
is very on brand. So he has been very clever
with his pr strategy surrounding the breakup. His focus has
(25:45):
really been on sharing with his audience how his mental
health was impacted during and after this marriage, and while
the video touched on similar themes, we've heard him speak about.
It is also all but confirmed speculation. The Tammy's ex
fiance map is team map. The second let's take a
listen a little.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Every year go, I was in a pretty bad state mentally.
I was going through some things and I reached out
to someone who on paper I shouldn't really be friends with.
But I felt like I built a connection with them
that I could reach out to them. And I asked
them for a bit of advice because I felt like
they'd gone through something quite similar to me. And the
bit of advice that I remember they gave me heat.
(26:26):
So the bit I remember was they said, look like
life might feel down right now. You might feel like
you're at the bottom of the barrel. It's not going
to get any better. But they said, in six months
from now, twelve months from now, or at possibly eighteen
months from now, you're going to look back at this
stage and you're going to think, Wow, it does get
better and life is worth living.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I mean him saying I reached out to someone I
shouldn't really be friends with. He's definitely talking about Matt.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No one would think that you would feel comfortable to
reach out to your ex's ex and that you should
even be in communication. That's a pretty big clue there
that this is Matt Poole he's talking about. So awkward though,
because Tammy and Matt, the first from all accounts, seem
to have quite a good co parenting relationship. So I
feel awkward for Matt Paul that he keeps getting dragged
(27:14):
into this because he's obviously being a nice guy looking
out for Mattzakowski don't think he's been dragged into it though.
I think he's put out a few, you know, feelers.
But if you like, yeah, I mean how you go
in comments here and there. I actually think since this divorce,
it's been clear that Matt Paul isn't that happy with Tammy,
particularly because the two mats have been trading public social
(27:35):
media comments. I mean, it was only just recently that
the two mats were chatting about how cute Posey was
on a video that Matt Paul posted of her boogie boarding.
So Matt Sakowski commented underneath so cute, to which Matt
Paul responded, crazy hay full, big girl now. The commentary
received mixed reviews. One person thought it was a bit weird,
while others rushed to Matt's defense, saying he was Posey's stepfather.
(27:58):
Now back to these cheating allegations. Matt actually used this
video on mental health to refute these claims in the
comments section. So someone replied under the video writing gosh,
stop throwing shade just because she moved on, and Matt
ended up replying, Hey, with all dear respect, this has
nothing to do with any individual than myself. I am
trying to bring awareness to people who feel down that
(28:20):
it gets better, unlike some people who are throwing shade
with lies. I like that he responded in the comments
because that's how she set forth this allegation.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think that we have really seen a change in
the way that Matt Sakowski uses social media, particularly after
he's come off the show I'm a Celeb, and I
think that has a lot to do with his talent
agency One Day Dream, which he's been used, and they
are a top talent agency. I think that they are
jumping on board and telling him the types of content
that he should be sharing, focusing particularly on his struggles
(28:50):
with his mental health. Do you think that the two
mats are just waiting for Grayson to come over and
join them, like the little club that they for. I mean,
I think the door would be open in saying that.
I hope that Grayson doesn't come out of the relationship
like Matt Szakowski has, feeling, you know, mentally impacted by it.
There was a lot of chatter a couple of weeks
ago about Tammy jumping on the Happy Hour podcast and
(29:13):
sort of giving a bit of a tell all and
what actually went down behind the scenes. I am putting
it out there if the two mats would like to
appear on Outspoken, Oh and give their side of events,
we'd love to have them. I thought you were going
to say, get it legal first. I mean, we might
have to hear you have a fuck ton of money
put behind that episode for legal fees. But I thought
you guys would feel so uncomfortable. For you guys, especially
(29:34):
U Kate, the amount you have been talking about Tammy.
I've got my PhD on their relationship. I was the
one behind the deep dive, so I mean, yes, it
would be quite uncomfortable. Just to wrap this segment up,
we need to talk about Tammy Hembro and a new boyfriend,
Grayson Timouana on the red carpet at the Lion King
musical premiere in Sydney. Let me guess they were all
over She literally looked like Pamela Anderson from the nineties.
(29:58):
Like a few people in the comment section, I was saying,
hold on a second, I had to do a double take.
I thought this was a throwback photo to the nineties.
It looked like one, didn't it. I mean, why were
they so dressed up for the Lion King? That's what
I want to know. That it was a movie premiere,
but it was like it was taken so serious. It's
a photo op, Sophie. I mean, and you know it's
a musical. It's not the movie, but yeah, yeah, I
know it's the music. I'm just saying, like they were
dressed to the absolute nines for this, but the friend, yeah,
(30:21):
it was a red carpet event. I mean, and Amy
to your question, yes, they were literally making out from
the paparazzi as they've come to expect. So can I
point out so this isn't the Marion Megaplex, it has
the red carpet that in Some of the people from
the media come down in their trackie DAGs like it
was just so serious, Like it was like it was
the Brown Low or something. Maybe it was the look
that she was going to wear to the Brownlow with
(30:41):
Bailey Smith. Well, I think it was Olivia's exprestie style
by Bloom Paul Verzarchi who dressed her, and they seem
to be very close to the He really shocked that
they would be this dressed up. I'm sorry, but these
two were the most attention seeking couple I've ever seen
on TikTok and I meet that with full respect to
you guys, like, tell me a job to get attentions exactly, Temmy,
you know how to use TikTok and you're doing a
(31:01):
good job. Well that is where we're going to leave
things today. But if you want to hear more from us,
we drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every Thursday to
our Outspoken Plus subscribers. If you want to subscribe, it's
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episode every week. All the details to subscriber in the
show notes. We also have a second podcast called The
Mom's Group, so if you want to listen to that,
(31:22):
all the details are in the show notes. This podcast
was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people
of the Adelaide planes. We pay respect to elders past
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