July 20, 2026 • 36 mins
US influencer Catherine Ebs has been forced to defend herself, after she was labelled ‘tone deaf’ off the back of a video she shared shopping in a small town grocery store.
Indy Clinton has teased her followers that she and her husband, Ben, are launching an OnlyFans account… But not everyone is buying it… Savvy followers believe this is yet another marketing stunt by the popular TikToker…
Prince Harry has revealed he is a closet Love Island fan…. The Duke of Sussex made the admission whilst appearing on UK rugby player Joe Marler’s podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Trba, I'm Amy Torba, and I'm Sophie Torba. And
coming up on today's show Catherine Ebb's viral supermarket crash out,
Indy Clinton's only fan stunt, and Prince Harry's Love Island confession.
(00:24):
But first, Amy, I felt sick to my stomach the
other night when I got notified that you had uploaded
a Snapchat story, and I was like, why would Amy
be uploading to Snapchat? We've been called millennial in the past.
We're having Snapchat groups, but we don't usually take things
out of the group. We keep those private. I don't
think I've posted a story in probably seven years, so
I can understand why you were shocked when you saw
(00:44):
the notification. I was like, oh my gosh, this is
clearly a mistake. And I clicked on and I see
you filming yourself in the bathroom of all places, and
you had the filter on your face like the ugly woman. Yeah,
let me set this scene. So Dale and I were
out on a walk with Harry after work and I
get this call on my phone. I was like, oh,
(01:05):
I'm mid conversation. I'll call Sophie back. Then Dale's phone
starts ringing and I thought, oh my god, someone's died,
like you never ever called Dale, and so I'm like,
I'll call it back. I'll call her back. And You're like, Amy,
what did you put on your Snapchat? Well, I saw
what it was. I saw that it was you with
a beer. So basically, I've been filming videos for my
Instagram and a lot of them are sort of like
(01:27):
mum comedy type videos. So I recently put up a
video which you were in, Sophie, and it was talking
about the reality of being postparted and how you feel
really ugly hell miss peac lad. So I had used
Snapchat because they have this ugly filter on and I
wanted to do this scene where I looked in the
mirror and it showed my normal face, but the reflection
(01:47):
was that ugly filter. So I had to set up
my phone and film it. I hadn't realized that these
had posted to my Snapchat story. Thank god, it only
had three views, one being yours, one being our mom,
and then one was a guy that we used to
work with. The worst thing is when you've been inactive
on Snapchat for a while, it actually notifies your followers
that someone's posted a story. That's what I did. That's
(02:09):
the only reason I knew, because it literally popped up
with a notification saying that Amy had shared a Snapchat story.
That's why I did the mercy call. It's so funny
because I was like, do I even have Dale's phone number?
And this is our first text message exchange, so I asked.
After he found out what I was messaging about, He's like,
what an emergency? With a laugh. The most embarrassing thing
(02:30):
is the video wasn't just me with an ugly filter on.
I was looking in the mirror and I was like,
my god, you're ugly. There was audio too. Yeah, there
was audio to it, and a few times I'd cracked
up laughing, and I just I was thinking, oh, well,
I'm going to be posting this to Instagram later, so
anyone who saw it would probably realize that this was
(02:50):
part of the videos feel weeks. I panicked even more
because when I initially saw it, I thought maybe it'd
actually film just help in the shower. Oh my god,
I hopeel like I'm in a simulation right now, US
influencer Katherine Ebbs has been forced to defend herself after
she was labeled tone deaf off the back of a
(03:10):
video she shared shopping in a small town grocery store. Now,
before we get into the drama, so can you get
listeners up to speed with who Katherine Ebbs is? Yeah,
I want to point out that this is, of course
not Australia's Kath Ebbs. As soon as I saw this
story broke, I was like, what have they been up to? Lavely,
surely they haven't caused this huge viral sensation for being
(03:32):
tone deaf. But no, it is someone who shares the
same name. So Katherine Ebbs is a US influencer. She's
twenty nine years old and she's been sharing her life
online for the past five years, and over that time
she has notched up one point six million followers on
TikTok and four hundred and sixty seven thousand on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Before becoming a full time content creator, she worked in
personal finance, and she actually has a series of videos
where she shares her finance tips. Currently, she lives in
New York City with her husband and their two dogs.
But prior to that, she did grow up in a
small town. So she was brought up in Minnesota, so
she has experienced a small town supermarket before. Yeah. Now,
(04:12):
the drama all started when Catherine traveled with her extended
family to celebrate the Fourth of July. So her parents
and her siblings were all in town and they booked
a holiday house in a small mountain town called Catskill Mountains,
which is around one hundred miles northwest of New York City. Now,
Catherine had thought ahead of time and she'd organized a
food delivery through Sam's Club. And it sounds fancy, but
(04:35):
it's actually not. It's basically a bulk discount grocery chain
similar to Costco, but it's owned by Walmart. Now, unfortunately,
Catherine's order was canceled three times, so she and a
family member had to go in store and get groceries
for their four day trip. Now, Catherine, of course vlogged
this experience to her TikTok, and from the get go
(04:55):
the clip really rubbed people up the wrong way. So,
after explaining that her grocery order had been canceled three times,
she walked into the store and said this, this is
so small town visors and everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I have a feeling this is not going to be
good to you don't even have a car. Their fruit
does not look good, Like all their fruit looks bad.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think it was also not only just what they said,
but the fact that they were laughing and giggling a lot.
It looked like they were mocking the supermarket, and some
people got the feeling that they thought they were too
good to be there. Yeah, and for those who haven't
seen the video, it was really just a regular small
town grocery store you'd find in America. Like, there wasn't
anything out of the ordinary about it. It kind of
just reminded me of your local IgA. You know, you
(05:44):
have to go there because everything else is closed. I
don't think it looked that small though. I mean, I
feel like everything in America is big now. What people
also have an issue with is the way Catherine spoke
about the produce in the store, so she seemed to
have a real issue with the appearance of the store's
fruit and vegetables. She also made a comment about the
store not having any one hundred percent beef hot dogs,
despite actually filming said hot dogs in the clip. The
(06:08):
comment that's gone the most viral though, is this one.
This is a simulation. Oh shit. You can see why
people got so angry about this, because she's acting like
this is some awful store, like this fruit isn't good enough,
nothing is good enough in this shop, and I'm so
(06:30):
not used to this experience and it feels like a simulation.
She got the vibe that she was one of those
people who would shop at air on Yes, and that
was what a lot of the comments actually said. And
the funniest thing is, despite complaining about all the produce
not being up to scratch, she actually walked out with
a completely full trolley of what looked like normal food,
and when she loaded the groceries in the car, she said, this.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A crazy experience and absolutely insane experience.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Unsurprisingly, the backlash was we have One person wrote, what
am I missing? Is this not a normal grocery store? Well,
another said, normally love your content, but this comes across
as tone deaf as someone who loves their local small
town grocery store. Some when else added, she's so out
of touch with the real world. She acted like she's
too good for grocery shopping.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Catherine ended up deleting the video, but that didn't stop
the saga going completely viral, so people have of course
screen recorded the video and reposted it. There are also
countless parodies doing the rounds that are notching up millions
of views. I need to throw to a clip to
my favorite one.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We're gonna go get groceries and see if we can
get enough for forty Oh my goshame this is their
fruit section. It's like all them mustar. I think this
is the only baked beans they have. I feel like
I'm in a simulation people's shop. Here, some godfish for acabs.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is like so small town.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's not even funny. All of this looks bad. Ill
ill ill pill.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This was the first video I saw about the whole saga,
so it really set the tone of when I watched
the actual video. Yeah, I hadn't heard about the controversy either,
and this video popped up of my FORU page and
I still laughed at it because I just thought they
were taking a stab generally at influencers, just being toned.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Deah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, it reminded me of when Nicole Richie and Paris
Hilton got dropped in these small towns and they didn't
even know the name of Walmart, They're like, oh, does
it sell walls? Like it was sort of giving that
sad vibe as well. It was interesting because originally Catherine
tried to address the backlash in the comment section of
the video, which is a tactic we've seen a lot
of influencers do recently because they don't want to draw
more attention to posting an apology video on their own feed.
(08:47):
So in those comments, she claimed that her reaction wasn't
to do with the grocery store, but it was in
relation to having to shop in a busy store on
the fourth of July weekend. So she explained that she
had planned a head to try and avoid all the crowds,
but ended up having to go do this shop last minute,
and that's why she was so stressed, because you know,
her order had been canceled and she didn't want to
(09:08):
fight the crowds. And she said she was particularly stressed
about having to get food for her brother, who was
a vegan. I mean that would be stressful. So he
wasn't having the one hundred percent beef hot dogs, No, No,
he was having the crappy fruit and vegetables. It wasn't
up to scratch, which that kind of makes sense. She's
probably like, we've got a vegan who's very into fruit
and vegs. We need to have some aesthetic looking benchies
for him. Now, this story got so big that it
(09:30):
was making international headlines, so Catherine came out and addressed
the criticism in a TikTok video. Let's take a listen
to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Looking back the video, I posted walking in the gross
Store today one thousand percent have a browdy, bad attitude. Yes,
I was very, very very frustrated with the day. I
spent weeks to make sure that everything went to plan
and us gurly Pop's putting all the pressure on our
shoulders to make sure family birthday parties, family parties, family weekends,
(10:02):
family trips, everything goes well. I felt like that day
was just a simulation. I was like, everything that could
have gone wrong went wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
She then went on to say, after watching the video back,
she understands she missed out the vital context that she
was actually under a lot of stress that day to
get food for the trip.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I cringe because it's like, my intent versus the impact
are miles and miles and miles apart, and that was
just that's not me. That's not me. That video does
not reflect my own true character, my own true thoughts.
I come from way, way, way less than what I
have now, So I know what it's like to not
(10:43):
be able to feed your family, going to bed hungry.
And so again that like that just was the furthest
thing for my intention.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
This does feel like a very genuine apology, Like it
doesn't feel like one of those cop out apologies that
we see so many times. I mean, she did go
on to speak about the bullying that she's been receiving
since the video was published, and she suggested that trolls
spend their time more wisely and instead advocate for fresh groceries. So,
I mean, I actually think that this was a bit
(11:12):
of a masterclass in how to apologize. Well, the majority
of people actually weren't happy with it. So one person wrote, wait,
but this is an apology, it's an explanation, and that
comment got eighteen point three thousand likes. Someone else said,
this felt so disingenuous, but whatevers. I unfollowed, and I
think it will stay that way. Best of luck to you.
I think the reason that people are angry is because
(11:34):
they're annoyed that there is actually an explanation that makes sense.
People would prefer to be angry at the tone deaf influence.
I mean, knowing the context now for the video, when
you watch it back, it actually makes perfect sense. Remember
during COVID times, people would share a vision of them
going to the soupermarkets, so just being shocked at the
lack of food on the shelves. She's obviously gone in
(11:55):
and tried to film something like this and it has
just backfired. I mean, people are saying this wasn't a
proper apology, but she did say at the end, I apologize.
I'm truly sorry for the bottom of my heart. That
being said, as a creator, if you upload a video
and people have misconstrued your intentions, you are actually allowed
to explain what your intentions were. That's ultimately the issue
(12:16):
with TikTok, though, things go viral and people don't know
anything about the content creator. Because one of her followers
actually went in to defend her. They said, as a
longtime follower, I knew the delivery landed wrongly immediately. We
have seen you be kind, loving, compassionate and giving. To
be honest, we all have our moments and comments we
shouldn't say yet aren't under a microscope. I love you,
(12:36):
and I think it's really easy for people to just
jump on the hate bandwagon, especially with TikTok and having
no context. So I actually really wanted to look at
her page and work out who she is. And because
I came across this saga via that comedy video we
played earlier, I already had this preconceived image about who
she was. I just assumed she was this megawealthy influencer
(12:58):
who had grown up with a silver spoon and she'd
never been to the supermarket. But when you actually watch
her content, it's quite the opposite. So in a lot
of her TikTok vlogs, she films herself grocery shopping. Last month,
she actually did a paid partnership with Audi, and she
spoke about how sad she was when she moved from
Dallas to New York because she wouldn't have an Audi nearby.
And in terms of her wealth, Okay, she obviously makes
(13:20):
a lot of money influencing. She lives in a nice
apartment in New York, which I'm sure costs a lot,
but it's not some epic mansion and She often, as
I said, films herself nipping down to the shops doing
a quick grocery shop. She's also been through a lot
of adversity. So in the lead up to her thirtieth birthday,
she's been sharing a series where she shares thirty things
about her life that people might not know, and in
(13:42):
the first installment she listed off all the struggles she's
gone through, which included her parents divorcing when she was
too childhood abuse, watching addiction firsthand, having to write her
will because doctors didn't know if she was going to live,
and sadly watching her dad die in her arms. So
this is someone that's actually been through a lot. That's
the difficulty with TikTok. You don't have all the background
(14:03):
information about a creator's life, so you sort of just
make your own assumptions when you see a video like this,
and also the second you read the comment section and
sees something that affirms your first thought, you could sort
of go with it and be like, Okay, that was
quite out of touch, that was tone deaf. Yeah, and
the irony is Catherine. As I mentioned earlier, it used
to work in personal finances. She's spoken about how she
(14:23):
had to watch her family's finances fall apart in real time.
They've had their lights and their water switched off, and
she actually shares advice to her TikTok followers about how
to better manage your personal finances. So I actually feel
really sorry for her. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
anyone should being bullied over this. But at the same time,
if you are a creator and you're sharing content on TikTok,
you do have to be aware that if a video
(14:45):
goes viral, everyone's not going to have the background of
your life. They are going to take the video for
how it comes across. And obviously she's probably going to
be more mindful when she is putting out random content
like this in the future to get the tone right.
The thing is anyone that's giving her hate? I like
to question, and how do you feel on Christmas Eve
when you go to the store and there's nothing there?
Because this is essentially what it would what it's like.
(15:05):
It is hell going to the supermarket on a long weekend.
And then again, I don't actually think that this is
the TikTok consumer's fault. There was a lot of contexts
missing from this video. Who's going to be go back
and be like, Okay, before I have an opinion on this,
I want to check this whole person's feed out. And
I think this is the issue with TikTok because she
actually had shared a whole bunch of videos leading up
(15:26):
to this Fourth of July holiday, so people who are
invested in her content would have known the context. But
once a video goes viral, it gets sent to so
many different people, as you said, who did not know
the context. So I can understand why there is this
complete uproar, but it just makes you think, well, next
time a video like this goes viral, can we sometimes
give people the benefit of the doubt, well, not blaming
(15:48):
the comedy creators because it was fucking hilarious the video
they put out, but that's why a lot of them,
For example, Madison Humphrey. Do you guys follow her on TiO.
She's that huge American comedy creator. I think she's got
like nearly five million followers. She always asks permission to
do a skit on videos like that that go viral,
and she only ever does it if people say yes,
And you can kind of see why because there is
(16:10):
a lot of context sometimes missing from these videos. And
they I think a lot of these creators realize just
how powerful their channels are and that they can sort
of create a change in public perception. I think the
thing that's starting to frustrate me about these type of
pylons is when someone actually apologizes and provides context to
why they said those things, no one ever accepts it.
(16:31):
It's like, well, now we're at a state where no
apology is ever good enough, and it's like, well, what
are these people meant to do? Yeah, because you know,
you explain why you did something that people like that's
just an excuse. Yeah, but the Internet's never happy. No.
I think at the end of the day, she just
needs to turn off her comments for a while and
just get on with producing the type of content she
was producing before. That's exactly what she's been doing. She's
(16:53):
just been doing her regular stuff and there are people commenting, oh,
so we're just going back to normal, and it's like, well,
what else can she get? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I just think you need to figure out other ways
to biohack than to fast because it is making you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, I'm not even joking, it's actually making you angrier.
Indy Clinton has teased her followers that she and her
husband Ben a launching and OnlyFans account, but not everyone
is buying it. Savvy followers believe this is yet another
marketing stunt by the popular TikToker, So if can you
bring us up to speed? Yeah? Well. On Wednesday, Indy
(17:28):
surprised her followers by sharing a link to a new
Instagram account called behind the Laundry Door Now. The account
was public, and it showed five rather steamy, candid photos
of Indy and her husband Ben making out in their
laundry now. In the photos, Indy appeared to be topless
and she was embracing her husband, who was wearing a
(17:49):
white singe let. He had his guns out. I don't
know if you guys saw these images. Yes I did.
I saw them in the outspoken Facebook community. Everyone was like,
oh my god, what is going on? And I must
admit I was totally sucked in. I was like, oh
my god. Ben has shared the league because recently he's
lost his job. He's actually in court battling it out
with his former employer, Saviles, So it was kind of like, oh,
(18:11):
is this the thing, the new thing that he's doing.
When I saw it, I was like, oh my god.
Imagine what his former colleagues must be saying. They'll be
going off in the group chat. I remember when we
interviewed Indy, she was saying that he was being harassed
to being in that Christmas cotton On campaign, Like, imagine
what they're saying about him now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The thing is, so when you click on this new
Instagram account in the bio, it says only for my fans.
Link in bio for more, and it had the water
droplet emoji, the shushing face and a chili. So it's
quite clear from the bio and the images that she
is trying to make it look like they are launching
an OnlyFans account. Quite overtly too, because you know all
(18:49):
of those emojis, like there's you know, people know exactly
what that means. Yeah. The link wasn't up for long
before Indy quickly deleted it, and she replaced it with
another grainy, black and white photo of her and Ben canoodling,
and she had the caption if you saw what you
just saw with the side eyed emojis, keep it between
us now. Despite supposedly wanting to keep this under wraps,
(19:11):
the following day, Indy tagged the account again, so She
shared a black and white photo of her laundry door
and wrote, the laundry door is open for someone who
can handle the bank. By this point, when you clicked
on the Instagram account, it had been made private. But
I was surprised to see the only thirty five people
were following, and I wasn't sure if this was because
she hadn't accepted people because there was a lot of interest.
(19:34):
She shared another screenshot that showed that ninety four thousand
people had clicked on the Instagram link to view it. Yeah,
but the thing is, I'm interested to see what she's unveiling.
But do I want my little name following some account
that potentially could be an only fans to the couple? No, Well,
that's the thing. I mean, her target demographic is a
lot of young mums who, as you say, don't want
to be publicly following an only fans account. Am I
(19:56):
my husband if he? I mean not that he trowls
through who I follow, but he probably be like, who's that?
Like what's that? Thank you? Thank you for counting me
as a young But I appreciate that. I think a
lot of people wouldn't care. Though, I think a lot
of people would just want to follow for the tea.
I'd follow with my burner account, but I definitely would
feel embarrassed that I'm having to, like, you know that
India has to approve me wanting to look at her token.
(20:17):
I have to check if we have been accepted, because
I think now it has about seventy followers. But Indy
also dropped another Instagram story of some more photos that
had been taken, and she mentioned that it was actually
her three year old daughter, Bambee who took them, because
she said, guess which picture Bambi too. Oh No, She's
definitely trying to get a lot of attention over this,
(20:37):
and that's why I think it is not an OnlyFans account.
I mean, these photos were taken from quite a low angle,
so I legitimately think that they did have Bambi with
the phone out snaperioso professional photographer. Dear like the fact
that there was like a bit of blur on some
of the like I don't think Bambie was doing Come on,
you're not going to get your three year old daughter
to take these photos. Surely she did, because if they
(20:59):
all are all part of a joke, they're probably sitting
there laughing it was a professional photographer, I mean big
Ed also got in on the action. So on his
Instagram account, which has thirteen point eight thousand followers, he
shared another one of these photos and wrote thank you
to whoever didn't keep it between us. I am now
in the doghouse. This just confirms to me this is
a marketing stunt, the fact that he used the word
(21:21):
doghouse because a couple of years ago, he and Indy
went viral because she said he was in the doghouse
and she filmed him bringing her flowers, and influencer watchdog
account Dutch Minti picked up on her and sent the
rumor mill into overdrive. She was trying to suggest that
he was in the doghouse because he went to a
strip club. Now they denied it. At the time, she
(21:43):
claimed that a friend of INDI's got in touch with
her and provided receipts showing that he had been to
this strip club. And it was quite interesting because at
the time a lot of mainstream media publications picked up
on her and this story went everywhere. And I think
that's probably when Indy learned, well, I can actually use
this virality for my own purpose. So like we saw
(22:03):
it with boof hair. The funniest part of that whole
saga was the rumor that Indy had taken her kids
to a hotel after this incident and she took Ben's
credit card and max about as payback. Like, I just
feel like that was quite an iconic thing. Like I
actually think that a lot of people still think that
that happened and really love India because of that. But
she hid out at the time and said that the
(22:25):
Internet will believe anything, and man would be in a
stew if he went into a club like that. I mean,
I think this was just the star of her using
her virality to get promotion for herself and whatever she
actually wants to promote at the time, and we've seen
her do it time and time again. Well, this stunt
has gone even further because on Saturday, she shared Instagram
stories showing that she and Ben had put up QR
(22:47):
codes outside laundry mats across the country. So she shared
a photo of a laundrymat outside Cremorne and wrote I'm
stuck on a wall near a very big load. Find
me in Cremorn and scan the code. Now outside another store,
she wrote, I'm pinned against the wall outside the laundrymat
door in darling Hurst. She wrote, I'm waiting here with
(23:08):
something to share. Come find me if you know where.
Another photo showed big ed outside one of the laundry
mats with a green hat on with the slogan Daddy's
in the doghouse. That was classic. I actually want to
get one. I hope that they are selling this as merch.
The funniest thing was when you took a closer look
at the QR codes on top of them, it says
(23:28):
big loads, ring and wets, so they have clearly had
so much fun with this. When you actually follow the
link on these posters, it takes you to a website
with a carousel of professional photos. Bambi definitely didn't take
these ones. So it showed Indie wearing white lacy nickers
in their laundry mat with the words coming soon stitched
(23:50):
across the knickers. And Ben is also in the photo,
so he is holding his nickers. Well, what do you
call aunties underwear? Ge banger? I call the nickers anyway?
How old are you three? Whatever? They have had so
much fun with this. Underneath the photos that says put
it in before someone else does. It then asks you
to enter your email address basically to get the news
first two hours early, so Indy says a naughty little secret,
(24:13):
no spam, just dot dot dot. It also included a
link to the Instagram account, so they're really trying to
drive people to that Instagram account, which again is surprising
that it's only got seventy something followers. They clearly they
haven't approved everyone yet. Yeah, and on Sunday, Indy backed
it up by sharing the same carousela photos and directing
people to the website. The Blue Tick Brigade, just like us,
(24:36):
is waiting in anticipation. Steph cles Smith added clapping hand emojis.
Aimes wrote actually on the edge of my seat for this,
and Nadia Bartel wrote hot. Another follower also wrote girl,
what are you selling with a laughing face, and India replied,
what do you mean? It's not normal to have these
types of picks taken with your husband just for fun. Look,
I don't think anyone for a second believes that they're
(24:58):
actually launching an OnlyFans account. I think this is yet
again another orchestrated PR campaign by Rachel Wilde's team from
boof Hair. I mean last year Indy caused a stir
when everyone thought that she was getting a corporate job.
I mean, there were those TikTok videos where she was
supposedly at a job interview, and that was all part
of a stunt to launch boof hair and to have
(25:21):
Indy as the ambassador. I mean, Indy is also a
business partner, so that's also why she's taking it to
the next level. I'm actually not convinced that this is
for boof Hair. I actually think that maybe Ben and
India are launching something of their own, and they have
taken this marketing strategy. They've always put it up a notch.
Like everyone is talking about this. We're obviously talking about
it now on the podcast. They have so many potential
(25:43):
eyeballs now on their account. Everyone wants to know what
they're up to. Some people think that maybe they are
starting up a podcast. Indy did have one a couple
of years ago, but nah, it must surely it's for
something like sex toys laun gerrets. I actually think that
Rachel Wilde and her team they're gonna spand into the
sexual wellness space. There's so much money to be made
in it, and I think that they've seen that This
(26:05):
is a very fast growing area that they want to
tap into, I mean the sexual wellness market. It's currently
worth seven hundred million dollars and it's projected to exceed
one bill in by the next decade. So I think
that this is a very clever way to launch Rachel
Wilde's new brand of sex toys with Indy and Ben
as the face of them.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I actually think it's going to be a podcast because
the fact it's called Behind the Laundry Door, Indy and
Ben often film themselves in the laundry room having like
pretty raw and honest chats. I just think it's a
way of creating hype about it because there's a lot
of chatter online that every influencer in their dog has
a podcast. Indy Clinton's obviously had her own podcast before,
so if she went about it and just launched the artwork,
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people wouldn't be that excited. But the fact that she's
created so much hype about it, and also that she's
teasing her sex life a bit, you know, people probably
want to know a little bit about shits like, so
maybe the first episode is them opening up about their relationship.
And then again, I think that the concern is that
people might be disappointed if all of this is just
for a podcast. I mean, remember when Kick were promoting
(27:08):
that they had this epic reveal and they did this
huge campaign, and then it ended up being that they
had like Polates as part of their program, and everyone
was like, what the hell there was like some Polarates
hotline everything. But it's just so underwhelming. I think that
if you're going to bring do a marketing stunt like this,
you actually want it to be for something new and exciting.
That's why I'm convinced that sex Twys. I mean on
the website it says put it in before someone else does?
(27:31):
Is it in yet? Like all those sort of common
sex toys. Well, I mean yeah, because it's on theme
of them pretending that they've got an OnlyFans account. But
I just think now that Ben's not working for Savles,
it's going to be a collaborative project. You know what
else would it be a podcast? That's my prediction. Henry Charles,
Albert David Judistosis.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's a long one, right Jake.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Prince Harry has revealed he is a closet Love Island fan.
The Duke of Sussex made the admission whilst appearing on
UK rugby player Joel Mahler's podcast. It's pretty interesting timing
because Prince William has recently made headlines for appearing on
Travis Kelsey's podcast, so it seems like he's trying to
get back in the zeitgeist. It's not the same caliber
of podcasts live. I mean the fact that in the
(28:20):
space of a few weeks they're both appearing on different
sporting identities podcasts. It shows they're trying to reach a
particular demographic of men, aren't they. Can you just please
confirm to me that Harry is watching the UK version
of Love Island though, or is Megan trying to push
him to watch the US one?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I hate the US one. I just couldn't stand it,
Like even just the ads are enough for me. Well,
he didn't actually confirm, so he was asked by one
of the hosts what's his favorite trashy reality show? And
this is what he said, favorite trashy TV show Love Island.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
He watched Love Island.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I don't watch Love Island. I have a big difference.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Urgy I love that he had to preface I don't
watch it all the time. I'm not a big viewer
of it. I've seen it, but I'm not a fan.
Megan will be fucking spewing because every time she's interviewed
about her favorite TV show, she gives off the impression
that all they do is like learn languages or place
to doko, like they're not watching TV despite having a
deal with Netflix. Oh we don't watch tallesion. Isn't that
just a flex from people say, well, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Also, I wonder if the series of Love Island that
Harry's referring to that he watched was the one. Remember Camilla,
the real posh girl and she ended up with Jamie,
she's married with kids. This is like maybe season three
she was rumored to have dated Prince Harry. That was
her sort of claim to fame on the show, So
maybe he tuned in for that series. Also, he was
(29:38):
rumored to date Caroline Flack, who was the original host
of Love Island as well. So that is actually quite
a controversial admission that he's watched the show. Of course
he's bloody watched. Everyone in the UK watch have been
watching it to have a PERV like come on, especially
when he was single. This show's been on as you
said Amy for like a decade. And also it's just
a funny show to watch. Well, I mean it would
be really bizarre if you were a contestant knowing that
(29:59):
Prince Harry had tuned in. It's like Margo Robbie being
such a massive fan of the show because a couple
of years ago she did her birthday party Love Island theme. Well,
this admission was the perfect segue for the host to
bring up the infamous dating show I Want to Marry Harry.
Let's take a listen to what was said.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, well originally they asked me and I wasn't available.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
So do you know what?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
There's a crazy, trashy TV phenomenon, I Want to Marry
Harry twenty fourteen. They got fourteen like American reality stars.
They all wanted to date Prince Harry's. Every episode they
got rid of one of the women and then the
final woman was like, I win a date with you,
and then they reveal it to some bloke from Stake,
Ginger Guay from Stoke, but they thought it was Harry.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think they call it a lookalike. It look alike. Yes,
Harry was on fire this whole this whole podcast in
to be. It went for forty five minutes. Everyone was
loving him. They were saying, he is so funny. I
love it how he's like I believe they call a
little lookalike, like it's not some ra ginger guy. Isn't
that crazy to think we're talking about Travis Kelsey Before
that he was legitimate on a show to find a
(31:02):
partner where you know, now it's like crazy to think
that he's married to Taylor Swift. I forgot that these
women actually thought they were really dating Prince Harry because
we actually watched this show. This was back in twenty fourteen.
I can't remember it. I watched it, you know why,
because literally the US only aired four episodes and then
can the whole thing because the ratings were that bad.
But then they sold it to different countries like Australia
(31:23):
and they put it on streaming. But I think we
need to go back. So for those who weren't lucky
enough to watch this masterpiece when it aired, as they
touched on, there were twelve single Americans who were taken
to this grand estate. And it's just so ironic because
it was only a couple of years later the Prince
Harry met his American wife Megan Marcus. Everyone was saying,
this was almost predicted that he was going to basically
(31:45):
meet this an American woman, not that she's a reality person,
but the thing is a lot of people in America
aren't really up to date with the Royal family, Like
it's not the same obviously as it is here in Australia.
So you can understand why some people actually thought that
this was Harry. So this is Megan Markle's excuse as
to why she didn't understand the gravity of what it
(32:06):
was like being involved in the Royal family. So does
this actually proved that she was all the truth? Yeah?
In her Netflix doco, she claimed that she never googled
Prince Harry and she didn't understand what the family were like.
Getting back to this show, though, the contestants were basically
told that they were going to meet this eligible bachelor,
and they ended up meeting Matthew Hicks, this Prince Harry
look alike. It was quite funny because I looked into
(32:26):
it and apparently he beat out more than one hundred
Prince Harry look alikes for this role. I guessing it
was just all guys with red hair that turned up
this guy actually looks like him. I had to go
back and look at the photos. He really did look
like him. And he was given all of this coaching
on all of Prince Harry's mannerisms and about how to speak,
and they were told all about his backstory so that
he could be super convincing. And basically the women weren't
(32:48):
explicitly told that this was Prince Harry, but as the
show went on, they were led to believe that he
was the real deal because they would do all of
these stunts, so they had all these paparazzi that came
up to one point, they had fake security, they had
all of these fake royal events, and they constantly referenced
the royal family, but they just didn't say he's actually
Prince Harry. Yeah, because they never actually referred to him
(33:11):
as Harry, except obviously in the title once the show
was marketed. But it was almost like them trying to
trick the women into being like, oh, this is Prince Harry,
but we're having to pretend to you that it's not
because he's so famous, and that he only wants a
woman that loves him for human, not for his It
was title also a legal thing. Like if they had
(33:32):
said this is Prince Harry, legally, those women probably could
have sued them. Well, that's the thing. I don't actually
think that everyone bought it. Like some of the women
did buy in, and they were obviously kept till the
final rounds, but a lot of women didn't believe it.
Some contestants have since come out and described the experience
as psychological manipulation. One went as far as saying that
they felt like they were being brainwashed. Do you guys
(33:54):
want to know what happened at the end of this show? Yeah,
my memory is very patchy about this whole thing. Well, basically,
once it was whittled to two women, he had to
reveal that he was not Prince Harry, and he had
to ask whether they actually loved him for him or
wanted to be with him for him, And the woman
who was picked ended up deciding to continue dating him.
And I just don't understand how that works because he
(34:14):
was literally pretending to be someone else. Like how did
they get on their high horse and be like, oh,
but don't you love me for who I am, not
from all of this world, but like you were pretending
to be someone the whole time. I think this just
really reflects what reality TV was like ten fifteen years ago.
Do you remember there was that Australian Prince show where
they were training women to be princesses. It was like
off the back of Princess Mary, What about Joe Millionaire?
(34:38):
So basically it was this hot, poor guy and they
pretended that he was super rich and every week, instead
of handing out roses, he would hand out a different
Gems necklace and each week it would get better and
it was always so funny because he'd always struggled to
put the necklace on the women, like it would be
like take quite a while. I also loved Age of
Love with Mark PHILIPPUSI so I still don't know how
(34:59):
they managed to get him on the show. Sure we've
got to do. I've just had an idea. I feel
like we always joke that we need to do goggle Box,
but watching vlogs, I think we need to do a
goggle box where we rewatch some of these shows and
put it on TikTok or YouTube. I actually think we
might have the full recordings of Age of Love. Mum
has been doing a massive throw out at her house
and there's a lot of burn CDs with TV shows
(35:20):
like that on it. Well, I reckon we can also
get our hands on I Want to Marry Harry. There
was some clips circulating online, so watch this space. But
that is all we have time for today. Thank you
so much for joining us for this episode. Shout out
to your husband Dale Amy, who is holding down the
Ford at the moment. He's got both Luca and Harry.
He's a really a great job. I actually think he
loves it though. Yeah, he's been thoroughly enjoying You haven't
(35:41):
heard too much noise from me that he's been keeping
them in line. Now, if you do want to hear
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This was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
(36:02):
people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders
past and present,
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Trba, I'm Amy Torba, and I'm Sophie Torba. And
coming up on today's show Catherine Ebb's viral supermarket crash out,
Indy Clinton's only fan stunt, and Prince Harry's Love Island confession.
(00:24):
But first, Amy, I felt sick to my stomach the
other night when I got notified that you had uploaded
a Snapchat story, and I was like, why would Amy
be uploading to Snapchat? We've been called millennial in the past.
We're having Snapchat groups, but we don't usually take things
out of the group. We keep those private. I don't
think I've posted a story in probably seven years, so
I can understand why you were shocked when you saw
(00:44):
the notification. I was like, oh my gosh, this is
clearly a mistake. And I clicked on and I see
you filming yourself in the bathroom of all places, and
you had the filter on your face like the ugly woman. Yeah,
let me set this scene. So Dale and I were
out on a walk with Harry after work and I
get this call on my phone. I was like, oh,
(01:05):
I'm mid conversation. I'll call Sophie back. Then Dale's phone
starts ringing and I thought, oh my god, someone's died,
like you never ever called Dale, and so I'm like,
I'll call it back. I'll call her back. And You're like, Amy,
what did you put on your Snapchat? Well, I saw
what it was. I saw that it was you with
a beer. So basically, I've been filming videos for my
Instagram and a lot of them are sort of like
(01:27):
mum comedy type videos. So I recently put up a
video which you were in, Sophie, and it was talking
about the reality of being postparted and how you feel
really ugly hell miss peac lad. So I had used
Snapchat because they have this ugly filter on and I
wanted to do this scene where I looked in the
mirror and it showed my normal face, but the reflection
(01:47):
was that ugly filter. So I had to set up
my phone and film it. I hadn't realized that these
had posted to my Snapchat story. Thank god, it only
had three views, one being yours, one being our mom,
and then one was a guy that we used to
work with. The worst thing is when you've been inactive
on Snapchat for a while, it actually notifies your followers
that someone's posted a story. That's what I did. That's
(02:09):
the only reason I knew, because it literally popped up
with a notification saying that Amy had shared a Snapchat story.
That's why I did the mercy call. It's so funny
because I was like, do I even have Dale's phone number?
And this is our first text message exchange, so I asked.
After he found out what I was messaging about, He's like,
what an emergency? With a laugh. The most embarrassing thing
(02:30):
is the video wasn't just me with an ugly filter on.
I was looking in the mirror and I was like,
my god, you're ugly. There was audio too. Yeah, there
was audio to it, and a few times I'd cracked
up laughing, and I just I was thinking, oh, well,
I'm going to be posting this to Instagram later, so
anyone who saw it would probably realize that this was
(02:50):
part of the videos feel weeks. I panicked even more
because when I initially saw it, I thought maybe it'd
actually film just help in the shower. Oh my god,
I hopeel like I'm in a simulation right now, US
influencer Katherine Ebbs has been forced to defend herself after
she was labeled tone deaf off the back of a
(03:10):
video she shared shopping in a small town grocery store. Now,
before we get into the drama, so can you get
listeners up to speed with who Katherine Ebbs is? Yeah,
I want to point out that this is, of course
not Australia's Kath Ebbs. As soon as I saw this
story broke, I was like, what have they been up to? Lavely,
surely they haven't caused this huge viral sensation for being
(03:32):
tone deaf. But no, it is someone who shares the
same name. So Katherine Ebbs is a US influencer. She's
twenty nine years old and she's been sharing her life
online for the past five years, and over that time
she has notched up one point six million followers on
TikTok and four hundred and sixty seven thousand on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Before becoming a full time content creator, she worked in
personal finance, and she actually has a series of videos
where she shares her finance tips. Currently, she lives in
New York City with her husband and their two dogs.
But prior to that, she did grow up in a
small town. So she was brought up in Minnesota, so
she has experienced a small town supermarket before. Yeah. Now,
(04:12):
the drama all started when Catherine traveled with her extended
family to celebrate the Fourth of July. So her parents
and her siblings were all in town and they booked
a holiday house in a small mountain town called Catskill Mountains,
which is around one hundred miles northwest of New York City. Now,
Catherine had thought ahead of time and she'd organized a
food delivery through Sam's Club. And it sounds fancy, but
(04:35):
it's actually not. It's basically a bulk discount grocery chain
similar to Costco, but it's owned by Walmart. Now, unfortunately,
Catherine's order was canceled three times, so she and a
family member had to go in store and get groceries
for their four day trip. Now, Catherine, of course vlogged
this experience to her TikTok, and from the get go
(04:55):
the clip really rubbed people up the wrong way. So,
after explaining that her grocery order had been canceled three times,
she walked into the store and said this, this is
so small town visors and everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I have a feeling this is not going to be
good to you don't even have a car. Their fruit
does not look good, Like all their fruit looks bad.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think it was also not only just what they said,
but the fact that they were laughing and giggling a lot.
It looked like they were mocking the supermarket, and some
people got the feeling that they thought they were too
good to be there. Yeah, and for those who haven't
seen the video, it was really just a regular small
town grocery store you'd find in America. Like, there wasn't
anything out of the ordinary about it. It kind of
just reminded me of your local IgA. You know, you
(05:44):
have to go there because everything else is closed. I
don't think it looked that small though. I mean, I
feel like everything in America is big now. What people
also have an issue with is the way Catherine spoke
about the produce in the store, so she seemed to
have a real issue with the appearance of the store's
fruit and vegetables. She also made a comment about the
store not having any one hundred percent beef hot dogs,
despite actually filming said hot dogs in the clip. The
(06:08):
comment that's gone the most viral though, is this one.
This is a simulation. Oh shit. You can see why
people got so angry about this, because she's acting like
this is some awful store, like this fruit isn't good enough,
nothing is good enough in this shop, and I'm so
(06:30):
not used to this experience and it feels like a simulation.
She got the vibe that she was one of those
people who would shop at air on Yes, and that
was what a lot of the comments actually said. And
the funniest thing is, despite complaining about all the produce
not being up to scratch, she actually walked out with
a completely full trolley of what looked like normal food,
and when she loaded the groceries in the car, she said, this.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A crazy experience and absolutely insane experience.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Unsurprisingly, the backlash was we have One person wrote, what
am I missing? Is this not a normal grocery store? Well,
another said, normally love your content, but this comes across
as tone deaf as someone who loves their local small
town grocery store. Some when else added, she's so out
of touch with the real world. She acted like she's
too good for grocery shopping.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Catherine ended up deleting the video, but that didn't stop
the saga going completely viral, so people have of course
screen recorded the video and reposted it. There are also
countless parodies doing the rounds that are notching up millions
of views. I need to throw to a clip to
my favorite one.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We're gonna go get groceries and see if we can
get enough for forty Oh my goshame this is their
fruit section. It's like all them mustar. I think this
is the only baked beans they have. I feel like
I'm in a simulation people's shop. Here, some godfish for acabs.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is like so small town.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's not even funny. All of this looks bad. Ill
ill ill pill.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This was the first video I saw about the whole saga,
so it really set the tone of when I watched
the actual video. Yeah, I hadn't heard about the controversy either,
and this video popped up of my FORU page and
I still laughed at it because I just thought they
were taking a stab generally at influencers, just being toned.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Deah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, it reminded me of when Nicole Richie and Paris
Hilton got dropped in these small towns and they didn't
even know the name of Walmart, They're like, oh, does
it sell walls? Like it was sort of giving that
sad vibe as well. It was interesting because originally Catherine
tried to address the backlash in the comment section of
the video, which is a tactic we've seen a lot
of influencers do recently because they don't want to draw
more attention to posting an apology video on their own feed.
(08:47):
So in those comments, she claimed that her reaction wasn't
to do with the grocery store, but it was in
relation to having to shop in a busy store on
the fourth of July weekend. So she explained that she
had planned a head to try and avoid all the crowds,
but ended up having to go do this shop last minute,
and that's why she was so stressed, because you know,
her order had been canceled and she didn't want to
(09:08):
fight the crowds. And she said she was particularly stressed
about having to get food for her brother, who was
a vegan. I mean that would be stressful. So he
wasn't having the one hundred percent beef hot dogs, No, No,
he was having the crappy fruit and vegetables. It wasn't
up to scratch, which that kind of makes sense. She's
probably like, we've got a vegan who's very into fruit
and vegs. We need to have some aesthetic looking benchies
for him. Now, this story got so big that it
(09:30):
was making international headlines, so Catherine came out and addressed
the criticism in a TikTok video. Let's take a listen
to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Looking back the video, I posted walking in the gross
Store today one thousand percent have a browdy, bad attitude. Yes,
I was very, very very frustrated with the day. I
spent weeks to make sure that everything went to plan
and us gurly Pop's putting all the pressure on our
shoulders to make sure family birthday parties, family parties, family weekends,
(10:02):
family trips, everything goes well. I felt like that day
was just a simulation. I was like, everything that could
have gone wrong went wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
She then went on to say, after watching the video back,
she understands she missed out the vital context that she
was actually under a lot of stress that day to
get food for the trip.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I cringe because it's like, my intent versus the impact
are miles and miles and miles apart, and that was
just that's not me. That's not me. That video does
not reflect my own true character, my own true thoughts.
I come from way, way, way less than what I
have now, So I know what it's like to not
(10:43):
be able to feed your family, going to bed hungry.
And so again that like that just was the furthest
thing for my intention.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
This does feel like a very genuine apology, Like it
doesn't feel like one of those cop out apologies that
we see so many times. I mean, she did go
on to speak about the bullying that she's been receiving
since the video was published, and she suggested that trolls
spend their time more wisely and instead advocate for fresh groceries. So,
I mean, I actually think that this was a bit
(11:12):
of a masterclass in how to apologize. Well, the majority
of people actually weren't happy with it. So one person wrote, wait,
but this is an apology, it's an explanation, and that
comment got eighteen point three thousand likes. Someone else said,
this felt so disingenuous, but whatevers. I unfollowed, and I
think it will stay that way. Best of luck to you.
I think the reason that people are angry is because
(11:34):
they're annoyed that there is actually an explanation that makes sense.
People would prefer to be angry at the tone deaf influence.
I mean, knowing the context now for the video, when
you watch it back, it actually makes perfect sense. Remember
during COVID times, people would share a vision of them
going to the soupermarkets, so just being shocked at the
lack of food on the shelves. She's obviously gone in
(11:55):
and tried to film something like this and it has
just backfired. I mean, people are saying this wasn't a
proper apology, but she did say at the end, I apologize.
I'm truly sorry for the bottom of my heart. That
being said, as a creator, if you upload a video
and people have misconstrued your intentions, you are actually allowed
to explain what your intentions were. That's ultimately the issue
(12:16):
with TikTok, though, things go viral and people don't know
anything about the content creator. Because one of her followers
actually went in to defend her. They said, as a
longtime follower, I knew the delivery landed wrongly immediately. We
have seen you be kind, loving, compassionate and giving. To
be honest, we all have our moments and comments we
shouldn't say yet aren't under a microscope. I love you,
(12:36):
and I think it's really easy for people to just
jump on the hate bandwagon, especially with TikTok and having
no context. So I actually really wanted to look at
her page and work out who she is. And because
I came across this saga via that comedy video we
played earlier, I already had this preconceived image about who
she was. I just assumed she was this megawealthy influencer
(12:58):
who had grown up with a silver spoon and she'd
never been to the supermarket. But when you actually watch
her content, it's quite the opposite. So in a lot
of her TikTok vlogs, she films herself grocery shopping. Last month,
she actually did a paid partnership with Audi, and she
spoke about how sad she was when she moved from
Dallas to New York because she wouldn't have an Audi nearby.
And in terms of her wealth, Okay, she obviously makes
(13:20):
a lot of money influencing. She lives in a nice
apartment in New York, which I'm sure costs a lot,
but it's not some epic mansion and She often, as
I said, films herself nipping down to the shops doing
a quick grocery shop. She's also been through a lot
of adversity. So in the lead up to her thirtieth birthday,
she's been sharing a series where she shares thirty things
about her life that people might not know, and in
(13:42):
the first installment she listed off all the struggles she's
gone through, which included her parents divorcing when she was
too childhood abuse, watching addiction firsthand, having to write her
will because doctors didn't know if she was going to live,
and sadly watching her dad die in her arms. So
this is someone that's actually been through a lot. That's
the difficulty with TikTok. You don't have all the background
(14:03):
information about a creator's life, so you sort of just
make your own assumptions when you see a video like this,
and also the second you read the comment section and
sees something that affirms your first thought, you could sort
of go with it and be like, Okay, that was
quite out of touch, that was tone deaf. Yeah, and
the irony is Catherine. As I mentioned earlier, it used
to work in personal finances. She's spoken about how she
(14:23):
had to watch her family's finances fall apart in real time.
They've had their lights and their water switched off, and
she actually shares advice to her TikTok followers about how
to better manage your personal finances. So I actually feel
really sorry for her. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
anyone should being bullied over this. But at the same time,
if you are a creator and you're sharing content on TikTok,
you do have to be aware that if a video
(14:45):
goes viral, everyone's not going to have the background of
your life. They are going to take the video for
how it comes across. And obviously she's probably going to
be more mindful when she is putting out random content
like this in the future to get the tone right.
The thing is anyone that's giving her hate? I like
to question, and how do you feel on Christmas Eve
when you go to the store and there's nothing there?
Because this is essentially what it would what it's like.
(15:05):
It is hell going to the supermarket on a long weekend.
And then again, I don't actually think that this is
the TikTok consumer's fault. There was a lot of contexts
missing from this video. Who's going to be go back
and be like, Okay, before I have an opinion on this,
I want to check this whole person's feed out. And
I think this is the issue with TikTok because she
actually had shared a whole bunch of videos leading up
(15:26):
to this Fourth of July holiday, so people who are
invested in her content would have known the context. But
once a video goes viral, it gets sent to so
many different people, as you said, who did not know
the context. So I can understand why there is this
complete uproar, but it just makes you think, well, next
time a video like this goes viral, can we sometimes
give people the benefit of the doubt, well, not blaming
(15:48):
the comedy creators because it was fucking hilarious the video
they put out, but that's why a lot of them,
For example, Madison Humphrey. Do you guys follow her on TiO.
She's that huge American comedy creator. I think she's got
like nearly five million followers. She always asks permission to
do a skit on videos like that that go viral,
and she only ever does it if people say yes,
And you can kind of see why because there is
(16:10):
a lot of context sometimes missing from these videos. And
they I think a lot of these creators realize just
how powerful their channels are and that they can sort
of create a change in public perception. I think the
thing that's starting to frustrate me about these type of
pylons is when someone actually apologizes and provides context to
why they said those things, no one ever accepts it.
(16:31):
It's like, well, now we're at a state where no
apology is ever good enough, and it's like, well, what
are these people meant to do? Yeah, because you know,
you explain why you did something that people like that's
just an excuse. Yeah, but the Internet's never happy. No.
I think at the end of the day, she just
needs to turn off her comments for a while and
just get on with producing the type of content she
was producing before. That's exactly what she's been doing. She's
(16:53):
just been doing her regular stuff and there are people commenting, oh,
so we're just going back to normal, and it's like, well,
what else can she get? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I just think you need to figure out other ways
to biohack than to fast because it is making you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, I'm not even joking, it's actually making you angrier.
Indy Clinton has teased her followers that she and her
husband Ben a launching and OnlyFans account, but not everyone
is buying it. Savvy followers believe this is yet another
marketing stunt by the popular TikToker, So if can you
bring us up to speed? Yeah? Well. On Wednesday, Indy
(17:28):
surprised her followers by sharing a link to a new
Instagram account called behind the Laundry Door Now. The account
was public, and it showed five rather steamy, candid photos
of Indy and her husband Ben making out in their
laundry now. In the photos, Indy appeared to be topless
and she was embracing her husband, who was wearing a
(17:49):
white singe let. He had his guns out. I don't
know if you guys saw these images. Yes I did.
I saw them in the outspoken Facebook community. Everyone was like,
oh my god, what is going on? And I must
admit I was totally sucked in. I was like, oh
my god. Ben has shared the league because recently he's
lost his job. He's actually in court battling it out
with his former employer, Saviles, So it was kind of like, oh,
(18:11):
is this the thing, the new thing that he's doing.
When I saw it, I was like, oh my god.
Imagine what his former colleagues must be saying. They'll be
going off in the group chat. I remember when we
interviewed Indy, she was saying that he was being harassed
to being in that Christmas cotton On campaign, Like, imagine
what they're saying about him now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The thing is, so when you click on this new
Instagram account in the bio, it says only for my fans.
Link in bio for more, and it had the water
droplet emoji, the shushing face and a chili. So it's
quite clear from the bio and the images that she
is trying to make it look like they are launching
an OnlyFans account. Quite overtly too, because you know all
(18:49):
of those emojis, like there's you know, people know exactly
what that means. Yeah. The link wasn't up for long
before Indy quickly deleted it, and she replaced it with
another grainy, black and white photo of her and Ben canoodling,
and she had the caption if you saw what you
just saw with the side eyed emojis, keep it between
us now. Despite supposedly wanting to keep this under wraps,
(19:11):
the following day, Indy tagged the account again, so She
shared a black and white photo of her laundry door
and wrote, the laundry door is open for someone who
can handle the bank. By this point, when you clicked
on the Instagram account, it had been made private. But
I was surprised to see the only thirty five people
were following, and I wasn't sure if this was because
she hadn't accepted people because there was a lot of interest.
(19:34):
She shared another screenshot that showed that ninety four thousand
people had clicked on the Instagram link to view it. Yeah,
but the thing is, I'm interested to see what she's unveiling.
But do I want my little name following some account
that potentially could be an only fans to the couple? No, Well,
that's the thing. I mean, her target demographic is a
lot of young mums who, as you say, don't want
to be publicly following an only fans account. Am I
(19:56):
my husband if he? I mean not that he trowls
through who I follow, but he probably be like, who's that?
Like what's that? Thank you? Thank you for counting me
as a young But I appreciate that. I think a
lot of people wouldn't care. Though, I think a lot
of people would just want to follow for the tea.
I'd follow with my burner account, but I definitely would
feel embarrassed that I'm having to, like, you know that
India has to approve me wanting to look at her token.
(20:17):
I have to check if we have been accepted, because
I think now it has about seventy followers. But Indy
also dropped another Instagram story of some more photos that
had been taken, and she mentioned that it was actually
her three year old daughter, Bambee who took them, because
she said, guess which picture Bambi too. Oh No, She's
definitely trying to get a lot of attention over this,
(20:37):
and that's why I think it is not an OnlyFans account.
I mean, these photos were taken from quite a low angle,
so I legitimately think that they did have Bambi with
the phone out snaperioso professional photographer. Dear like the fact
that there was like a bit of blur on some
of the like I don't think Bambie was doing Come on,
you're not going to get your three year old daughter
to take these photos. Surely she did, because if they
(20:59):
all are all part of a joke, they're probably sitting
there laughing it was a professional photographer, I mean big
Ed also got in on the action. So on his
Instagram account, which has thirteen point eight thousand followers, he
shared another one of these photos and wrote thank you
to whoever didn't keep it between us. I am now
in the doghouse. This just confirms to me this is
a marketing stunt, the fact that he used the word
(21:21):
doghouse because a couple of years ago, he and Indy
went viral because she said he was in the doghouse
and she filmed him bringing her flowers, and influencer watchdog
account Dutch Minti picked up on her and sent the
rumor mill into overdrive. She was trying to suggest that
he was in the doghouse because he went to a
strip club. Now they denied it. At the time, she
(21:43):
claimed that a friend of INDI's got in touch with
her and provided receipts showing that he had been to
this strip club. And it was quite interesting because at
the time a lot of mainstream media publications picked up
on her and this story went everywhere. And I think
that's probably when Indy learned, well, I can actually use
this virality for my own purpose. So like we saw
(22:03):
it with boof hair. The funniest part of that whole
saga was the rumor that Indy had taken her kids
to a hotel after this incident and she took Ben's
credit card and max about as payback. Like, I just
feel like that was quite an iconic thing. Like I
actually think that a lot of people still think that
that happened and really love India because of that. But
she hid out at the time and said that the
(22:25):
Internet will believe anything, and man would be in a
stew if he went into a club like that. I mean,
I think this was just the star of her using
her virality to get promotion for herself and whatever she
actually wants to promote at the time, and we've seen
her do it time and time again. Well, this stunt
has gone even further because on Saturday, she shared Instagram
stories showing that she and Ben had put up QR
(22:47):
codes outside laundry mats across the country. So she shared
a photo of a laundrymat outside Cremorne and wrote I'm
stuck on a wall near a very big load. Find
me in Cremorn and scan the code. Now outside another store,
she wrote, I'm pinned against the wall outside the laundrymat
door in darling Hurst. She wrote, I'm waiting here with
(23:08):
something to share. Come find me if you know where.
Another photo showed big ed outside one of the laundry
mats with a green hat on with the slogan Daddy's
in the doghouse. That was classic. I actually want to
get one. I hope that they are selling this as merch.
The funniest thing was when you took a closer look
at the QR codes on top of them, it says
(23:28):
big loads, ring and wets, so they have clearly had
so much fun with this. When you actually follow the
link on these posters, it takes you to a website
with a carousel of professional photos. Bambi definitely didn't take
these ones. So it showed Indie wearing white lacy nickers
in their laundry mat with the words coming soon stitched
(23:50):
across the knickers. And Ben is also in the photo,
so he is holding his nickers. Well, what do you
call aunties underwear? Ge banger? I call the nickers anyway?
How old are you three? Whatever? They have had so
much fun with this. Underneath the photos that says put
it in before someone else does. It then asks you
to enter your email address basically to get the news
first two hours early, so Indy says a naughty little secret,
(24:13):
no spam, just dot dot dot. It also included a
link to the Instagram account, so they're really trying to
drive people to that Instagram account, which again is surprising
that it's only got seventy something followers. They clearly they
haven't approved everyone yet. Yeah, and on Sunday, Indy backed
it up by sharing the same carousela photos and directing
people to the website. The Blue Tick Brigade, just like us,
(24:36):
is waiting in anticipation. Steph cles Smith added clapping hand emojis.
Aimes wrote actually on the edge of my seat for this,
and Nadia Bartel wrote hot. Another follower also wrote girl,
what are you selling with a laughing face, and India replied,
what do you mean? It's not normal to have these
types of picks taken with your husband just for fun. Look,
I don't think anyone for a second believes that they're
(24:58):
actually launching an OnlyFans account. I think this is yet
again another orchestrated PR campaign by Rachel Wilde's team from
boof Hair. I mean last year Indy caused a stir
when everyone thought that she was getting a corporate job.
I mean, there were those TikTok videos where she was
supposedly at a job interview, and that was all part
of a stunt to launch boof hair and to have
(25:21):
Indy as the ambassador. I mean, Indy is also a
business partner, so that's also why she's taking it to
the next level. I'm actually not convinced that this is
for boof Hair. I actually think that maybe Ben and
India are launching something of their own, and they have
taken this marketing strategy. They've always put it up a notch.
Like everyone is talking about this. We're obviously talking about
it now on the podcast. They have so many potential
(25:43):
eyeballs now on their account. Everyone wants to know what
they're up to. Some people think that maybe they are
starting up a podcast. Indy did have one a couple
of years ago, but nah, it must surely it's for
something like sex toys laun gerrets. I actually think that
Rachel Wilde and her team they're gonna spand into the
sexual wellness space. There's so much money to be made
in it, and I think that they've seen that This
(26:05):
is a very fast growing area that they want to
tap into, I mean the sexual wellness market. It's currently
worth seven hundred million dollars and it's projected to exceed
one bill in by the next decade. So I think
that this is a very clever way to launch Rachel
Wilde's new brand of sex toys with Indy and Ben
as the face of them.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I actually think it's going to be a podcast because
the fact it's called Behind the Laundry Door, Indy and
Ben often film themselves in the laundry room having like
pretty raw and honest chats. I just think it's a
way of creating hype about it because there's a lot
of chatter online that every influencer in their dog has
a podcast. Indy Clinton's obviously had her own podcast before,
so if she went about it and just launched the artwork,
(26:46):
people wouldn't be that excited. But the fact that she's
created so much hype about it, and also that she's
teasing her sex life a bit, you know, people probably
want to know a little bit about shits like, so
maybe the first episode is them opening up about their relationship.
And then again, I think that the concern is that
people might be disappointed if all of this is just
for a podcast. I mean, remember when Kick were promoting
(27:08):
that they had this epic reveal and they did this
huge campaign, and then it ended up being that they
had like Polates as part of their program, and everyone
was like, what the hell there was like some Polarates
hotline everything. But it's just so underwhelming. I think that
if you're going to bring do a marketing stunt like this,
you actually want it to be for something new and exciting.
That's why I'm convinced that sex Twys. I mean on
the website it says put it in before someone else does?
(27:31):
Is it in yet? Like all those sort of common
sex toys. Well, I mean yeah, because it's on theme
of them pretending that they've got an OnlyFans account. But
I just think now that Ben's not working for Savles,
it's going to be a collaborative project. You know what
else would it be a podcast? That's my prediction. Henry Charles,
Albert David Judistosis.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's a long one, right Jake.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Prince Harry has revealed he is a closet Love Island fan.
The Duke of Sussex made the admission whilst appearing on
UK rugby player Joel Mahler's podcast. It's pretty interesting timing
because Prince William has recently made headlines for appearing on
Travis Kelsey's podcast, so it seems like he's trying to
get back in the zeitgeist. It's not the same caliber
of podcasts live. I mean the fact that in the
(28:20):
space of a few weeks they're both appearing on different
sporting identities podcasts. It shows they're trying to reach a
particular demographic of men, aren't they. Can you just please
confirm to me that Harry is watching the UK version
of Love Island though, or is Megan trying to push
him to watch the US one?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I hate the US one. I just couldn't stand it,
Like even just the ads are enough for me. Well,
he didn't actually confirm, so he was asked by one
of the hosts what's his favorite trashy reality show? And
this is what he said, favorite trashy TV show Love Island.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
He watched Love Island.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I don't watch Love Island. I have a big difference.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Urgy I love that he had to preface I don't
watch it all the time. I'm not a big viewer
of it. I've seen it, but I'm not a fan.
Megan will be fucking spewing because every time she's interviewed
about her favorite TV show, she gives off the impression
that all they do is like learn languages or place
to doko, like they're not watching TV despite having a
deal with Netflix. Oh we don't watch tallesion. Isn't that
just a flex from people say, well, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Also, I wonder if the series of Love Island that
Harry's referring to that he watched was the one. Remember Camilla,
the real posh girl and she ended up with Jamie,
she's married with kids. This is like maybe season three
she was rumored to have dated Prince Harry. That was
her sort of claim to fame on the show, So
maybe he tuned in for that series. Also, he was
(29:38):
rumored to date Caroline Flack, who was the original host
of Love Island as well. So that is actually quite
a controversial admission that he's watched the show. Of course
he's bloody watched. Everyone in the UK watch have been
watching it to have a PERV like come on, especially
when he was single. This show's been on as you
said Amy for like a decade. And also it's just
a funny show to watch. Well, I mean it would
be really bizarre if you were a contestant knowing that
(29:59):
Prince Harry had tuned in. It's like Margo Robbie being
such a massive fan of the show because a couple
of years ago she did her birthday party Love Island theme. Well,
this admission was the perfect segue for the host to
bring up the infamous dating show I Want to Marry Harry.
Let's take a listen to what was said.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, well originally they asked me and I wasn't available.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
So do you know what?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
There's a crazy, trashy TV phenomenon, I Want to Marry
Harry twenty fourteen. They got fourteen like American reality stars.
They all wanted to date Prince Harry's. Every episode they
got rid of one of the women and then the
final woman was like, I win a date with you,
and then they reveal it to some bloke from Stake,
Ginger Guay from Stoke, but they thought it was Harry.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think they call it a lookalike. It look alike. Yes,
Harry was on fire this whole this whole podcast in
to be. It went for forty five minutes. Everyone was
loving him. They were saying, he is so funny. I
love it how he's like I believe they call a
little lookalike, like it's not some ra ginger guy. Isn't
that crazy to think we're talking about Travis Kelsey Before
that he was legitimate on a show to find a
(31:02):
partner where you know, now it's like crazy to think
that he's married to Taylor Swift. I forgot that these
women actually thought they were really dating Prince Harry because
we actually watched this show. This was back in twenty fourteen.
I can't remember it. I watched it, you know why,
because literally the US only aired four episodes and then
can the whole thing because the ratings were that bad.
But then they sold it to different countries like Australia
(31:23):
and they put it on streaming. But I think we
need to go back. So for those who weren't lucky
enough to watch this masterpiece when it aired, as they
touched on, there were twelve single Americans who were taken
to this grand estate. And it's just so ironic because
it was only a couple of years later the Prince
Harry met his American wife Megan Marcus. Everyone was saying,
this was almost predicted that he was going to basically
(31:45):
meet this an American woman, not that she's a reality person,
but the thing is a lot of people in America
aren't really up to date with the Royal family, Like
it's not the same obviously as it is here in Australia.
So you can understand why some people actually thought that
this was Harry. So this is Megan Markle's excuse as
to why she didn't understand the gravity of what it
(32:06):
was like being involved in the Royal family. So does
this actually proved that she was all the truth? Yeah?
In her Netflix doco, she claimed that she never googled
Prince Harry and she didn't understand what the family were like.
Getting back to this show, though, the contestants were basically
told that they were going to meet this eligible bachelor,
and they ended up meeting Matthew Hicks, this Prince Harry
look alike. It was quite funny because I looked into
(32:26):
it and apparently he beat out more than one hundred
Prince Harry look alikes for this role. I guessing it
was just all guys with red hair that turned up
this guy actually looks like him. I had to go
back and look at the photos. He really did look
like him. And he was given all of this coaching
on all of Prince Harry's mannerisms and about how to speak,
and they were told all about his backstory so that
he could be super convincing. And basically the women weren't
(32:48):
explicitly told that this was Prince Harry, but as the
show went on, they were led to believe that he
was the real deal because they would do all of
these stunts, so they had all these paparazzi that came
up to one point, they had fake security, they had
all of these fake royal events, and they constantly referenced
the royal family, but they just didn't say he's actually
Prince Harry. Yeah, because they never actually referred to him
(33:11):
as Harry, except obviously in the title once the show
was marketed. But it was almost like them trying to
trick the women into being like, oh, this is Prince Harry,
but we're having to pretend to you that it's not
because he's so famous, and that he only wants a
woman that loves him for human, not for his It
was title also a legal thing. Like if they had
(33:32):
said this is Prince Harry, legally, those women probably could
have sued them. Well, that's the thing. I don't actually
think that everyone bought it. Like some of the women
did buy in, and they were obviously kept till the
final rounds, but a lot of women didn't believe it.
Some contestants have since come out and described the experience
as psychological manipulation. One went as far as saying that
they felt like they were being brainwashed. Do you guys
(33:54):
want to know what happened at the end of this show? Yeah,
my memory is very patchy about this whole thing. Well, basically,
once it was whittled to two women, he had to
reveal that he was not Prince Harry, and he had
to ask whether they actually loved him for him or
wanted to be with him for him, And the woman
who was picked ended up deciding to continue dating him.
And I just don't understand how that works because he
(34:14):
was literally pretending to be someone else. Like how did
they get on their high horse and be like, oh,
but don't you love me for who I am, not
from all of this world, but like you were pretending
to be someone the whole time. I think this just
really reflects what reality TV was like ten fifteen years ago.
Do you remember there was that Australian Prince show where
they were training women to be princesses. It was like
off the back of Princess Mary, What about Joe Millionaire?
(34:38):
So basically it was this hot, poor guy and they
pretended that he was super rich and every week, instead
of handing out roses, he would hand out a different
Gems necklace and each week it would get better and
it was always so funny because he'd always struggled to
put the necklace on the women, like it would be
like take quite a while. I also loved Age of
Love with Mark PHILIPPUSI so I still don't know how
(34:59):
they managed to get him on the show. Sure we've
got to do. I've just had an idea. I feel
like we always joke that we need to do goggle Box,
but watching vlogs, I think we need to do a
goggle box where we rewatch some of these shows and
put it on TikTok or YouTube. I actually think we
might have the full recordings of Age of Love. Mum
has been doing a massive throw out at her house
and there's a lot of burn CDs with TV shows
(35:20):
like that on it. Well, I reckon we can also
get our hands on I Want to Marry Harry. There
was some clips circulating online, so watch this space. But
that is all we have time for today. Thank you
so much for joining us for this episode. Shout out
to your husband Dale Amy, who is holding down the
Ford at the moment. He's got both Luca and Harry.
He's a really a great job. I actually think he
loves it though. Yeah, he's been thoroughly enjoying You haven't
(35:41):
heard too much noise from me that he's been keeping
them in line. Now, if you do want to hear
more from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every
Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. All the details to sign
up are in our show notes. We also drop episodes
of our new podcast, The Mum's Group every Wednesday, so
make sure you keep an eye out for those this podcast.
This was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
(36:02):
people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders
past and present,
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