December 1, 2025 • 36 mins
A number of black creators have bravely called out the racism they experienced at the TikTok Awards. Disturbing vision of a photographer barring black creators from entering the red carpet has gone viral.
Indy Clinton has been forced to defend her actions on the TikTok Awards red carpet, after a video of her posing for photos went viral. At the time of recording, the video has amassed over 1.2 million views and attracted a lot of commentary.
Adam Hyde’s iconic performance alongside The Wiggles at the TikTok awards has been soured, following the release of a backstage TikTok.
AND Tammy Hembrow was a notable no-show at the awards night, despite being nominated for TikTok Creator of the Year. Her absence sent the rumour mill into overdrive sparking some outlandish stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, we dive
deep into the controversy surrounding the TikTok Awards, from the
red carpet racism, brown to Tammy Hambro's disappearance and the
Wiggles drug drama.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's get straight into it. A number of black creators
have bravely called out the racism they experienced at the
TikTok Awards. Disturbing vision of a photographer barring black creators
from entering the red carpet has gone viral, Sophie, can
you tell us more?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah? Well, the first content creator to speak out against
this racism was Niel So. She has over four hundred
and seventeen thousand followers on TikTok and was invited by
the platform to attend the awards. So she explained that
this is the third time that she has attended the
TikTok Awards and that there are two red carpets set up,
So there's one red car but where content creators can
(01:01):
go and take their own photos, and there is another
red carpet that's basically manned by the media, so there
are journalists they're conducting interviews as well as mainstream photographers now,
she said, in the past she has been quite reluctant
to put herself forward to be interviewed, but this year
she wanted to push herself as quite often black creators
(01:21):
aren't represented in the media now. When Neielle got to
the front of the media red carpet, she said, a
staff member quizzed her on whether she was a nominee
or a presenter, and she explained that she was a
content creator, and the staff member reiterated that they only
wanted to interview nominees and presenters now. This is despite
(01:43):
the fact that Nielle said that she saw mutual friends
being interviewed who didn't fit either of those criteria. So
the staff member proceeded to tell Neelle that if she
wanted to get her photo taken, she could head over
to where the photographers were on the media red carpet
up Those photographers were from TikTok and also mainstream media publications,
(02:05):
so Neelle and her friend Maxie decided to line up,
but when they reached the front of the line, they
were approached rather aggressively by a photographer employed by TikTok.
Now Neelle has proof of the exchange because she had
already hit record on her phone so that her friend
could film behind the scenes of her getting her photo
taken on the red carpet. Let's have a listen to
(02:28):
what the photographer said to her.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
If you don't need to be on the media, well
that's why they told you so taken to yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Go downstairs.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
This is for all the media. Well that's but this
has nothing to do with you. We don't need your photo.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
They're not going to Are they gonna do with your photo?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, but it's not our fault that we're given the
wrong In.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Phenemena, my blood is absolutely boiling from listening to that.
I mean, aside from the absolutely disgusting way that he
treated those two creators, the fact that this guy is
employed by TikTok and he's working at the TikTok Awards
and he's acting like that when there are so many
people they're filming. I mean, this is their job to
capture content. Did he not think that potentially his behavior
(03:34):
could get caught out? I mean, even if they didn't
capture that footage live. All of these creators are going
to talk about their experience at the event.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, exactly. I mean he spoke to them in such
a denigrating way. The tone was appalling. It was as
though they were a piece of dirt on his shoe
and he just sort of shwed them away. It was
absolutely revolting. I mean, this is an employee of TikTok
saying we don't need your photo, So he's essentially saying
teatok Australia does not need your.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Photo, and also mocking them like what did you think?
Why would you come up here? Like what a silly
idea to think that we would want to use your photo.
It would be incredibly embarrassing, particularly said in front of
all of these other creators. Well, you could see Adam
Hyde in the vision he was getting his photo taken.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was a little bit awkward because people have criticized
him for not getting involved and speaking up for the women.
It is unclear whether he could actually hear what was
going on. I'd like to give him the benefit of
the doubt. I mean, he was quite close. But then again,
Indy Clinton spoke about her red carpet experience we are
going to go into that later, and she said it
was just very chaotic. There was so much screaming and
(04:40):
yelling going on. It was a very loud environment. I
like to think that if he had heard what was
going on, he would have said something. Now, Nielle uploaded
this video to TikTok and it has quickly attracted one
point six million views. Now. In the video, she went
on to question why TikTok was inviting creators. This is
simply a celebrity event and that if they're inviting creators
(05:04):
to be seat fillers, then at least let them know
they're being invited as audience members are not creators. And
I think that that is such a good point because
I have seen so many smaller creators being really excited
to get invited to the Awards. They've then had to
fund their own flights, they're their own hair, makeup, accommodation,
and then they've arrived at the awards and thought, oh, actually,
(05:27):
there's eight thousand other creators here. I'm not so special.
I just feel like a bit of a seat filler.
I was pretty shocked because.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Some of the vision that was coming from the Awards
filmed by creators like I follow Aims on TikTok and
she is a big creator, She's got over a million followers,
and she was up in the noise bleeds and I
was like, hang on.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What It's very confusing. Who worked out the seating plan?
Now getting back to Neille's video, so she also included
a second video of an exchange with this photographer. So
when the photographer noticed that Neelle was filming, he came
back over to try and shift the blame onto the
press photographers. So he said that he wasn't trying to
(06:06):
be nasty, and it was actually the daily male photographers
who were the bad guys and would rip everyone's heads
off and tell them to get out of the way
if they stepped onto the red carpet.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Isn't that interesting? Once he realized that they were filming,
I mean, as if they wouldn't be filming, well, his
tone totally changed, didn't they?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Neil then went on to confirm that this was not
an isolated incident and unfortunately happened to multiple black creators.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Let's take a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I guess what, guys, that experience did not only happen
to me, It did not only happen to Massy Zoe,
you know, the people I was with. It did not
only happen to them. It also happened to multiple black creators.
And the fact that they were saying, they were saying
(06:54):
that this wall is for nominees and press only, and
this is how they treated their only black nominee.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The creator that she is referencing is Florence Beatio, who
has over one point one million followers on TikTok and
who was nominated for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year.
Now despite being a nominee, Florence alleges that after she
lined up to walk the media red carpet, a photographer
refused to take photos of her and told her to
(07:24):
get off. What the hell now? In the video, which
has attracted one million views, Florence says she was still
trying to process the experience. Let's take a listen to
what she said.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
So basically, there was like media, there was like a
red carp I mean pink corpet, red carpet or whatever,
and me in this other creator, she's also a person
of color. We went on the carpet to get off.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
What is taken?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Because as we should he got nominated. What the early
we went on and I kid you not, there was
like I think full photographers and there was this photographer
that was wearing a blue cap and I got on
and literally he didn't take a photo. And then how
it's supposed to work. It's like we're all supposed to
(08:12):
like just kind of rotate, like so you get a
photo second, then you talk to me, and then you
get off the carpet. But like, this guy literally didn't
take any photo race and then he was telling me
to get off. He was telling me to get off,
and I was like, but I thought I was supposed
to go and then now do the media, like do interviews,
and obviously I don't know what's going on, so I
(08:33):
just got off. But it was just so embarrassing because
I'm like, what do you mean you didn't take any
photos and you literally just shoveled me off stage, And
then I've seen him take lots of photos of other people.
And then the other content creator she literally she went
and told I think she wanted told one of the
workers that TikTok, and then I think they wanted to
(08:56):
told him so then he was literally this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is absolutely disgusting I cannot believe that this is happening.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
This is someone who has been nominated for an award.
Why doesn't TikTok need their photos? Can they answer us that?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, it's a pattern of behavior. You can't deny
that this is racism.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The thing that makes me so sad is hearing how
embarrassed Florence was by this incident. I mean, this is
a moment where you're supposed to stand tall and proud
about what you have achieved. I mean, she was nominated
for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. That should
be a really proud and special moment, but instead it's
been marred by this experience.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Looking at this, there are two main issues going on.
There's obviously the abhorrent racism, and then there is a
breakdown in communication. So if the plan was for only
nominees to be photographed by media on the red carpet,
I mean Florence has come out and said, well, she
was a nominee and she was treated like shit. That's
the racism side there. But if that was the plan
that only nominees were going to get photographed, they needed
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to communicate that to everyone that was attending the event.
This invite needed to have a better rundown of what
was going on.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
They've gone and.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Made these people feel special, saying, oh my god, you
have been selected to attend the TikTok Awards, shell out
your money to get flights, accommodation, your makeup and hair done,
and then we're going to treat you like crap. You're
going to be amongst eight thousand other people and we're
going to sit you in the nosebleeds and then actually
abuse you and be racists. Like what is going on?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, how dare a creator want to walk on
the red carpet and get their photo taken?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
How dare they? The tone of these photographers is just
not it. And as someone who has worked in the
media before, yes, photographers can be very grumpy, but why
are you treating invited guests like this? Like it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
There is no excuse for racism. I mean these photographers
should be fired. They should be and the TikTok staff.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Ever, now the awards have been an absolute pr nightmare
for TikTok because creators are now calling to boycott them
and declaring that they won't be returning next year. There's
now quite a lot of creators who are making videos
talking about the shame they feel for attending the awards.
Let's have a listen to what Adelaide creator Matilda Norton said. Kay,
does anyone else have post traumatic TikTok Awards show shame
(11:10):
p t t a s S?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Because I do genuinely feel.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So much shame and embarrassment that I went, and I
just feel like one, like, it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean, I don't think Matilda Norton should feel any shame.
I think the event organizer should be feeling shame, and
the photographers, I mean, those are the people at fault. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, I think the reason she's talking about feeling this
shame is because, as author and TikTok creator Kate Forster
explain so eloquently, is that when you attend an event
these days, unfortunately, that is you aligning your brand with
the other brand. So you really have to be careful
about which events you're attending and which brands you're putting
your support behind. Obviously, in this case, the racism happened
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during the event. This is a very unexp thing to happen,
So I wouldn't blame any creators who attended obviously, next year,
perhaps if they choose to attend, that's when we can
look a little bit deeper into this. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean you can only make that decision based on
what's happened prior to you accepting the invine.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now, on the topic of Kate, she has put out
a series of videos reacting to the TikTok Awards. Now,
she didn't attend the event, but she has spoken out
about the racism and also the fact that some creators
were put in rooms alongside their own stalkers. Let's have
a listen to what she said.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Creators reported racism. It was an unsafe space. People were
put in rooms with their own stalkers, people who have
AVOs on them, and they were in the same room.
People being harassed. Why did you block me and blah
blah blah, disabled paper room filled with vape, smoke like
fucking insane, no water for two hours. This isn't a
(12:57):
vibe issue, It's a values issue. How important you understand that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I'm very interested in Kate's allegations around content creators being
put in rooms with their own stalkers. Is that in
relation to paparazzi who have stalked them.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Or now I just believe it's other creators who have
beef with other creators. So there's potential falling outs. But
it's not very good planning by TikTok. Surely they should
be across the TikTok drama.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I mean the fact that they invited eight thousand creators,
they probably couldn't keep across all of the beef. And
who doesn't like who? Now In terms of Neil's comments
regarding content creators essentially being invited to fill seats, this
sentiment was backed up by a content creator called doctor Michael.
So as the name suggests, he works full time as
a doctor in the ED and has amassed a huge
(13:45):
following of over half a million people for sharing medical
tips and debunking wellness myths. Now, after attending the awards,
Doctor Michael uploaded a video with caption, if you didn't
get an invite to the TikTok.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Awards, you dodged a bullet.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So in the three minute call that he libeled the
awards not as a shambled, Let's take a listen.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
What an absolute shambleed. I've never felt more Scottish than
I did last night, because Scottish people have this bullshit
radar that goes off whenever they smell that something's not
quite right. And as soon as I walked in, my bullshit.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Radar was going, maybe maybe, maybe, maybe maybe.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Do not be fooled by the polished look on the TV.
It was a mess, a real mess that was like
sardines in a can. And on the TV, Yeah, the
red carpet looks fantastic. Yes, go and get your picture taken. Oh,
everybody's looking great. No, there was eight thousand people and
there was two tiny bits of red carpet that were
(14:45):
about three meters long. Those people waiting for two hours
just to get a picture, Those people waiting hours for
other stuff with fancy cameras that were moving around and
all that kind of shit. It was bollocks.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One of my favorite content cret is Cottney Mang and
she is a friend of the show. She attended the
TIK Awards as a plus one, and she spoke about
having to wait two hours on the red carpet to
get you know, that slow mo glam vision, and I
was like, oh, it must have just been in that
sort of portion, like you know, there's technology involved to
capture that shot. It's crazy to think that the whole
red carpet area was actually congested for hours.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I mean, if there's anyone who will wait two hours
for a photo, it is an influencer. But it does
seem a bit ridiculous. Doctor Michael said that the awards
night was so busy that it actually felt like he
was in an airport. In fact, he said he would
have rather been in an airport. And he said that
it was in stark contrast to the event two years prior,
which he said was much smaller and more intimate. He
said it was actually a place where creators could mingle
(15:39):
and connect. Now on top of the traffic jams at
the picture walls. Doctor Michael said that guests were also
forced to pay their own way, so at the previous
events that he's attended, he said, they put on free
food and free drink, but this time around there was
none of that, and he complained that he was slugged
twenty eight dollars for a drink. See when I was
watching Colly's content from the TikTok Awards, I saw that
(16:02):
her and her friend bought like big bags of chips
to take in and they were kind of you know,
in the nosebleed area. And I was like, Oh, maybe
that's because you know the content creators she went with.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I wasn't familiar with her. She's a Taylor Swift content creator.
I was like, Oh, maybe they put the like smaller
time content creators, you know, higher are. But then when
I saw as a reference earlier aims up high, I
was like, hang on, what's going on, Like, it doesn't
make any sense. You can't invite people as guests to
an awards night and then ask them to pay for
the food.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, as doctor Michael said, as if TikTok couldn't get
a sponsor, a food or drink sponsor, like, surely someone
would have been happy with the amount of people who
creating content around this to put their food or drink
brand forward.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's interesting because the award night was held at the
ICC Sydney Theater, which only last week was renamed TikTok
Entertainment Center. So it makes sense that they decided, in
order to show off this new venue that they've got
naming rights too, that they wanted to invite a lot
of people use the theater at its greatest and also
(17:03):
just go okay, well, everyone can buy food and drink
from the vendors at the theater, but I mean that
has completely backfired.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, well, underneath doctor Michael's video, there were quite a
number of people who shared they're discussed in creators having
to pay for their own food. One said it's a
bit bizarre to have an Australian version of these awards
when the platform doesn't even pay Australian creators, while another
said I can't fathom not even getting a free drink,
especially in a country that doesn't pay its creators assent. Now,
(17:32):
there were a couple of followers who asked doctor Michael
why are there so many creators talking up the event
and saying how well run it was and that they
loved it, And he pointed out that it's basically so
that they can secure themselves an invite next year. I mean,
Britney Saunders found herself off the guest list this year
after she gave her honest feedback on last year's awards.
(17:53):
So it's not exactly surprising that some creators are trying
to sing TikTok's praises and they're not wanting to ruffle
any feathers.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I mean Britney Saunders is probably counting her lucky stars
that she didn't go to that exactly. It was a
blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now. Frankie Evans, who is a micro influencer with thirty
two thousand followers on TikTok, agreed with doctor Michael's sentiment.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
TikTok awards a couple of impressions might get me in trouble.
Last night, I reattended my Year ten formal. I feel
like it was quite a tacky event. The host started
with who's done a shit tonight? Let's give a round
of applause.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
For the toilets.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Creators and influencers were vaping inside.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
The whole room was so foggy because of.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The vape, like so so foggy, and I just thought
that was extremely disrespectful.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
And security spent all night yelling at.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Girls because everyone's stresses kept getting caught and escalators.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I think it was a very very hard crowd to please.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No one laughed at anything, No one was really that
happy for people.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I love this event being referred to as a Year
ten formal. I feel like that is the best description.
I just had a flashback to our year eleven four.
We didn't have one in year ten. The year eleven
was our first one, and yeah, I think it sounds
like this night. It was a fucking shit show. I
remember a guy came with a cane like a walking stick,
which had I think pills all inside. So that gives
(19:17):
you an idea of the event that was attended. I
feel like this could have been happening at the TikTok
Awards as well. Now, Frankie confirmed that creators did have
to buy their own drink, as doctor Michael said, and
she said it was kind of good because it brought
influences back down to Earth. I wonder if maybe TikTok
also didn't want influencers getting too drunk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No, I think it's a cheap thing. I don't think
that they would have cared about that. Frankie also said
that the crowd was very hard to please and that
no one laughed at any of the jokes, probably because
they weren't drinking, so they're way hungry.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
They were hungry. She also said that tall poppy syndrome
in Australia is so real, so that's a bit of
a different side to the event.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now, another content creator to share their thoughts on the
awards was for dance. So she is a divorce lawyer
with over one point three million followers, and she's known
for sharing her day on a plate.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I quite enjoy her Gonda, Yeah, I do as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now this is what she had to say about the
bar situation.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Okay, so I've come out for the break. It's twenty
past seven and the bar is closed.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's closed.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You're allowed to have drinking a lot of a soft drink.
You can't have any water, you can't have any drinks.
Whatswevery because they want you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
To watch the show. As I said, just popped out
to go to the.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Ladies and I would like a drink, but you can't
have a drink because the path closed until eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
She also said this about the media wall line but
this is.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
The money shop to get the money shot. You've got
a fucking line right. We're not lining up. I'm sorry,
we're not lining up. My sister says we should line up.
I don't care that much to line up. I don't
need the photo. I don't want to line up. We're
not lining up.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I love the fact that she just said, fuck this.
I'm above this. I'm not lining up for a photo.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I respect that, but again, I feel for the
creators who you know, they've flown over. They've had to
pay for that, They've had to pay for a makeup artist,
They've paid for their hair to get done, They've paid
for a new gown.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You want to get a shot. I mean, to be fair,
if I had been invited to the TikTok Awards, I'd
want to get on the red carpet, have a photo take.
And I mean, really, that's what you're there for, to
be seen exactly. Indy Clinton has been forced to defend
her actions on the TikTok Awards red carpet after a
video of her posing for photos went viral. At the
time of recording, the video has a mass over one
(21:23):
point two million views and attracted a lot of commentary.
For those who haven't seen the clipcake, can you explain.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It, I'll do my best considering this as an audio format.
So Indy's husband Ben is the first to walk into shot,
and he stands in front of the media wall and
Indy kind of sweeps in behind him. It's almost like
she's floating. She glided in so quickly. She then rushed
over so she could pose on what I'm guessing is
her preferred side to be photographed on. I get that, Yeah,
(21:52):
I get it as well. She then kind of cozy
it up to Ben for a split second before rushing
off in another direction. She looked very frantic, and she
was sort of twisting and readjusting herself. I mean, she
was wearing an absolutely stunning gown designed by Effie Katz
had a very plunging neckline, so she was obviously trying
not to have a wardrobe malfunction.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
The way she was floating around it almost reminded me
of the tooth fairy character that she's been blaming for
her kids. I think it's it's called Opal the tooth
for our came its name, but it was like, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
She ended up standing long enough with Ben for photos
to be taken before he exited the shot for her
individual photos, and again Indy looked really frazzled as the
photographers yelled things out at her. She then said, oh
my god, you all want me?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
What the hell? It's a bit in contrast to the
experience of some other creators that we've just documented have
exces very interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Now the comments on this video have been switched off
because they got very defamatory. Before the comments were turned off,
Indy shared a video reply to a comment that read,
you literally look cracked out on the carpet at the
TikTok Awards. Girl, Well, let's take a listen to what
Indy said.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Usually addressed things like this, but I thought, I'm going
to stand up for myself. Was I hate when people
spread untrue things about me. It's a video going around
to me on the red carpet at the TikTok Awards
that is going viral because of the way I was acting.
I guess, just to give you a little strinkle of context,
I have been working every day, every night for the
last two weeks, so I'm extremely tired, like overwhelmed, tired,
(23:24):
burns out, I'm done. Got to the awards super late,
so I had five more minutes until the red carpet flows,
and they really wanted to rush me through because the
awards are about to start. I can literally hear in
the video the photographers fighting at each other because one
of them told me to go to the end of
the carpet where he was.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
We obviously have.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To start at one end.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Make your way down, but he got me there straightaways.
I was led there and then all the other then
they start fighting in front of me, and I'm like, oh,
that's why I go, Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I feels I wanted.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Similar to the behavior we saw from journalists last year
at the TikTok Awards and more recently at Australian Fashion Week,
one of the reporters tried to create a viral moment.
This time it was by trying to get Indy to
talk about her nose job.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Second interview. There's only two questions, and the second question
was like, what's your wabi sabi? And I was like,
what is a wabi sabi? She says, Oh, it's like
something that's like off center, a bit one key or something,
you know, like my webbie sabag is my tooth my head.
I'm like, I'm not mentioning this because like, I don't
want to talk about that. Like I've just spent all
afternoon getting ready, I feel really good. I didn't want
to talk about it. There's so many other things people
talk about. I'm like, hey, cool, my webbi sabi is
like my off center middle part, Like it's always off center,
(24:23):
like it's always won key.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Her response was only God, I.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Thought you're going to say your nose sorry, Like what now.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Indy went on to say that she told the reporter
that she can't comment legally about her nose and said
that the questions really threw her and she suddenly felt
like she didn't want to be there at the event.
She just wanted to go home.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I can understand that, though I think people are forgetting
how traumatic the past eight months has been for Indy.
She has been relentlessly trolled and bullied over this nose job.
It's different when she jumps on her own platform and
decides that she wants to talk about it, or she
appears in a podcast and is approved those questions. But
this is all in a bid for TikTok to create
(25:03):
a viral moment and essentially create more trolling.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, we all know what type of comments would have
been put under that video, and it gives you an
insight into the headspace she would have been in when
she appeared on the red carpet. She's got all these
photographers yelling and screaming at her while trying to work out,
you know what angle she wants to be photographed in.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, well that's another thing as well. She probably was
feeling quite self conscious about being captured from a ton
of different angles with photographers who we've heard are very rude.
I mean, maybe a lot of the commentary came from
people who don't actually follow Indy's content, because when I
saw that vision, I thought, that's just Indy being Indy.
She's always a bit crazy and out there in saying that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Though, there was a lot of commentary on Indy's video saying, oh,
I was ready to go to war for you, and
then I saw the vision. If I was Indy's pr manager,
I probably would have told her to ignore the video
because what she's done is actually drive more attention to it.
It's gone even more viral. You know, We've seen the
comments have now been switched off. I'm assuming because they
(26:02):
were so defamatory, because either are defamatory claims being made
against Indy Clinton that she has come out and said.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Is not true.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
We need to take her word on that. I mean,
it was pretty funny because she ended up sharing a
photo of her and Ben eating a lobster dinner thirty
minutes after the awards and not saying oh, you know,
we weren't even partying, Like this is us enjoying a meal.
I'm probably hungry because they didn't get any food of
the awards.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, actually think it's good that she did address the
rumors and flat out say no, there's no truth to that,
because sometimes when you don't comment, it looks like you're
trying to hide something.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I understand why she did it, because if that was
me and I'm like, this is completely untrue, I would
want to clear my own name. But I think it
just kind of made it go more viral and led
to further speculation. There was also a lot of negative commentary,
people saying that they were unhappy that Indie said she
was exhausted. One person wrote, you know, most of us
work almost every day every week, right, life out lad.
(26:52):
That comment got twenty five thousand likes on her own page.
That pissed me off, though, because I'm like, Okay, what
Indy's trying to say is in addition to her full
time job as a mother of three, which is the
hardest fucking job in the world, she also works as
a content creator and a stakeholder in a business, So yeah,
she would be bloody busy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Adam Hyde's iconic performance alongside the Wiggles at the TikTok
Awards has been soured following the release of a backstage
TikTok video, Kate, can you tell us more well?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
When vision from Adam's performance was shared across social media,
a lot of us had to do a double take
when Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom appeared on stage
next to Abby Chatfield. So Anthony joined in on the
bagpipes while Adam sung dancing too, while the Tree of
Wisdom was a backup dancer.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And was Abby playing the bongo drumson.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, it was just iconic. I mean that clip went
everywhere now. Following the Awards, Adam shared a video backstage
with Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom, and in the clip,
Adam is seen gyrating with just a towe on around
his waist while Anthony performed his signature wiggles fingers. Now
the Tree also did his special dance. The problem was
(28:09):
the clip was set to Adam's new single Ecstasy, so
in the chorus of the song, Adam sings, Hey, Gail,
come on dance with me, you and your pocket of Ecstasy.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Adam captioned the video the Wiggles get it now.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The backlash was very swift. People started accusing the Wiggles
of endorsing drug use. Wiggles ended up having to release
a statement saying they do not condone the use of
drugs in any form. The statement continued, the content being
shared was not created or approved by us, and we
have asked for it to be removed. While Kelly Holiday
(28:43):
in brackets Adam Hyde is a friend of the Wiggles,
the video and the music added to it were created
independently and without our knowledge. Our performance at the TikTok
Awards was family friendly and fun, and this video was
edited together separately and without our awareness.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
To Adam's credit, he ended up ut removing the video
from TikTok.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, that's the thing about this day and age.
Even though he's removed it, there's been so many people
who've saved the video and screen recorded it. You can
easily find it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Also with the video being removed, while you know, there's
some people resharing it. I saw these headlines and I
was like, oh my god, like, you know, we only
briefly read it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I was like, were the Wickles caught.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Out doing drugs with Adam haydbackstage like that's what I
initially thought. I was actually telling Reesal like did you
hear about that? And he goes no, wasn't it just
a video with a song? And I was like, oh,
that makes more sense. But it seems like they were
completely unaware of the song that was actually going to
be put behind the vision.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Tammy Hembro was a notable no show at the TikTok Awards,
despite being nominated for Creator of the Year. Her absence
sent the rumor meal into overdrive, sparking some outlandish stories. Okay,
can you tell us more?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I had been waiting all day to see what Tammy
wore to the event. I was expecting and get ready
with me video and an outfit reveal at the very least,
But what I got was radio silence and when she
didn't appear on the red car. But I was really
thrown because it was clear she wasn't home on the
Gold Coast either. So Tammy's ex fiance and baby daddy,
(30:10):
Matt Paul, had been posting from their daughter Posey's dance
concert alongside his new fiance Analie's otway and Tammy was
nowhere to be seen.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well Matt did point out that Analise did Posey's makeup
and got her ready for the event.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And I remember seeing this vision and thinking, God, Tammy
would be so sad to be missing out on this,
But she must be in Sydney for the TikTok Awards,
like that's clearly why she's not there. But of course
she ended up not being there. So Tammy's absence took
a lot of people by surprise, particularly considering she was
part of the promo for the awards, not to mention
the fact that she was nominated for the biggest award.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, and when people realized that Tammy wasn't at the awards,
rumors started swirling, in particular when people also noticed that
Tammy's ex husband, Matt Sakowski wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Now whispers among the award attendees spread to the media,
and The Daily Mail started investigating a story that Tammy
was overseas filming for I'm a Celeb with Matt. They
actually got quotes from people at the event saying, oh,
that's what they had heard.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Tammy added further fuel to the fire because she ended
up being mia from socials following the event. She only
ended up sharing some pre recorded Black Friday Sales content,
but apart from that, she didn't share where she was
or what she'd been up to.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And it seemed like this story about I'm asleb could
be true because Anna Lise also shared on social media
that she and Matt were looking after Posey full time
or Tammy was away for a month. I knew this
whole thing was bullshit though from the get go, because
Matt revealed on his podcast on Wednesday that he wasn't
invited to the TikTok Awards.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm not surprised that he wasn't invited, though he's only
got thirteen thousand followers on there, so he's not even
really a micro reinfluencer.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
He still appears to be very much in the country
as well. I mean, I'm aware that he could have
banked up some content to make it look like he
is still here, but he's been posting on his stories
quite a lot with his sister's Golden retriever and with
his manager.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I found those photos interesting. So Matt is represented
by One Day Dream, which is a leading influencer and
talent agency and also a podcast network, and in the
series of photos, he and his talent manager, Jenna are
in the One day Dream office and Matt was poking
fun at Jenna for wearing a tie, and then they
recreated a scene from the office and I mean, side note,
(32:27):
these ties are apparently all the rage with Jens Edits.
I've seen a couple of influencers, including Saffron Baker, wearing
these when they're out and about, like she wore one
in Powis, as if it was this huge fashion moment.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean, I'm not even going to comment on fashion
because I know, for at least a year now, I've
just predominantly been wearing leggings and.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Apparently they're out of fashion now as well. It's devastating now.
Aside from that, I just think it's really interesting that
Matt has been signed by a large agency like One
day Dream. It's not quite clear if this is a
new signing. I think perhaps he's been on their books
for a couple of months now. I mean, it does
make sense because his marriage to Tammy Hembro has obviously
helped lift his profile. But I was fascinated to see
(33:06):
how they described him on their website as talent, so
I was like, oh, they're probably desperate to mention Tammy
in there. Fortunately for him, they didn't, so it read
Matt Zakowski, a standout from Love Island Australia Season two,
captivates with his cheeky charm and quick wit, earning himself
the runners up title. A family man, he enjoys time
(33:27):
with his sisters, NFL and horror films. I thought it
was funny that they mentioned that he continued passionate about health,
fitness and fashion. Matt divides his time between creating content
and modeling. Alongside Anna McAvoy, a former contestant and close friend,
he co hosts the podcast Whears Your head At, offering
insights into relationships, laughter, and advice from both gender perspectives.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That means it's a nice write up. I originally thought
that the woman in the photo with Matt was another
content creator or influencer. I didn't realize it was his
actual manager. And did you get a bit of like
flirty vibe between them?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah? I did, and that's why I took note of it.
I was like, interesting, well, she was a beautiful she's
a beautiful girl.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, I was like, is he posting this because he's
just signed with the agency. But then I had a
look and he wasn't actually no talent on.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, he's been with them for a while. She's the
brains behind the fit checks that I see. She's you know,
the hand that you normally see in them, the gun hand.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, she obviously got him an invite to the Wicked
premiere as well, which seems to be up his alley
if he's into movies and movie reviews.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, getting back to where Tammy Hembro actually is. The
only element of truth to the rumors that were flying
around is that Tammy is in fact filming for a
reality show. It's not I'm a Celebrity though. Instead, she's
appearing on Channel nine's new show Shark, which started production
in the Bahamas a week and a half ago. Back
in October, we discussed how The Herald Sun had reported
(34:51):
Tammy's name was mentioned as a cast member on the
show during Channel nine's upfronts. I'm a bit disappointed because
I would much prefer to see her I'm a celeb
This show sounds a little bit weird. It basically puts
celebrities to the test by making them do a bunch
of challenges, which include close encounters with sharks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It is a bit of a weird show. Didn't she
get some sort of diving thing recently?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, in August she spoke a lot about doing a
scuba diving course, so it all makes a lot of sense.
And on Saturday, she finally addressed the speculation as to
why she didn't attend the awards.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Let's take a listen, guys, I'm so sad that I
have had to miss the TikTok Awards. I'm not home
at the moment, but yeah, I know I'm a little
bit mia, but I'll be back.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, I mean maybe she got the heads up that
she wasn't winning Creative the Year and thought, well, I've
got better and bigger things on.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Do you think they would have given her the award
if she couldn't attend, Like it wouldn't have been a
good look.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, but I don't really think that she is TikTok
Creator of the Year. I mean, yeah, she lip syncs
to a few videos, and yes, she did drop the
bomb about her divorce on there, but I don't I
think that there's more worthy winners than her.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I mean, she was one of the only creator actually
knew who was up for the awards, so That's why
I thought she should have won.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But then again, that's the beauty of TikTok. Someone could
have three million followers and you've got no idea who
they are. It's whatever niche or algorithm you're being served up.
That is where we will leave things today. Thank you
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On the traditional land of the Ghana people of the
Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, we dive
deep into the controversy surrounding the TikTok Awards, from the
red carpet racism, brown to Tammy Hambro's disappearance and the
Wiggles drug drama.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's get straight into it. A number of black creators
have bravely called out the racism they experienced at the
TikTok Awards. Disturbing vision of a photographer barring black creators
from entering the red carpet has gone viral, Sophie, can
you tell us more?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah? Well, the first content creator to speak out against
this racism was Niel So. She has over four hundred
and seventeen thousand followers on TikTok and was invited by
the platform to attend the awards. So she explained that
this is the third time that she has attended the
TikTok Awards and that there are two red carpets set up,
So there's one red car but where content creators can
(01:01):
go and take their own photos, and there is another
red carpet that's basically manned by the media, so there
are journalists they're conducting interviews as well as mainstream photographers now,
she said, in the past she has been quite reluctant
to put herself forward to be interviewed, but this year
she wanted to push herself as quite often black creators
(01:21):
aren't represented in the media now. When Neielle got to
the front of the media red carpet, she said, a
staff member quizzed her on whether she was a nominee
or a presenter, and she explained that she was a
content creator, and the staff member reiterated that they only
wanted to interview nominees and presenters now. This is despite
(01:43):
the fact that Nielle said that she saw mutual friends
being interviewed who didn't fit either of those criteria. So
the staff member proceeded to tell Neelle that if she
wanted to get her photo taken, she could head over
to where the photographers were on the media red carpet
up Those photographers were from TikTok and also mainstream media publications,
(02:05):
so Neelle and her friend Maxie decided to line up,
but when they reached the front of the line, they
were approached rather aggressively by a photographer employed by TikTok.
Now Neelle has proof of the exchange because she had
already hit record on her phone so that her friend
could film behind the scenes of her getting her photo
taken on the red carpet. Let's have a listen to
(02:28):
what the photographer said to her.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
If you don't need to be on the media, well
that's why they told you so taken to yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Go downstairs.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
This is for all the media. Well that's but this
has nothing to do with you. We don't need your photo.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
They're not going to Are they gonna do with your photo?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, but it's not our fault that we're given the
wrong In.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Phenemena, my blood is absolutely boiling from listening to that.
I mean, aside from the absolutely disgusting way that he
treated those two creators, the fact that this guy is
employed by TikTok and he's working at the TikTok Awards
and he's acting like that when there are so many
people they're filming. I mean, this is their job to
capture content. Did he not think that potentially his behavior
(03:34):
could get caught out? I mean, even if they didn't
capture that footage live. All of these creators are going
to talk about their experience at the event.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, exactly. I mean he spoke to them in such
a denigrating way. The tone was appalling. It was as
though they were a piece of dirt on his shoe
and he just sort of shwed them away. It was
absolutely revolting. I mean, this is an employee of TikTok
saying we don't need your photo, So he's essentially saying
teatok Australia does not need your.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Photo, and also mocking them like what did you think?
Why would you come up here? Like what a silly
idea to think that we would want to use your photo.
It would be incredibly embarrassing, particularly said in front of
all of these other creators. Well, you could see Adam
Hyde in the vision he was getting his photo taken.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was a little bit awkward because people have criticized
him for not getting involved and speaking up for the women.
It is unclear whether he could actually hear what was
going on. I'd like to give him the benefit of
the doubt. I mean, he was quite close. But then again,
Indy Clinton spoke about her red carpet experience we are
going to go into that later, and she said it
was just very chaotic. There was so much screaming and
(04:40):
yelling going on. It was a very loud environment. I
like to think that if he had heard what was
going on, he would have said something. Now, Nielle uploaded
this video to TikTok and it has quickly attracted one
point six million views. Now. In the video, she went
on to question why TikTok was inviting creators. This is
simply a celebrity event and that if they're inviting creators
(05:04):
to be seat fillers, then at least let them know
they're being invited as audience members are not creators. And
I think that that is such a good point because
I have seen so many smaller creators being really excited
to get invited to the Awards. They've then had to
fund their own flights, they're their own hair, makeup, accommodation,
and then they've arrived at the awards and thought, oh, actually,
(05:27):
there's eight thousand other creators here. I'm not so special.
I just feel like a bit of a seat filler.
I was pretty shocked because.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Some of the vision that was coming from the Awards
filmed by creators like I follow Aims on TikTok and
she is a big creator, She's got over a million followers,
and she was up in the noise bleeds and I
was like, hang on.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What It's very confusing. Who worked out the seating plan?
Now getting back to Neille's video, so she also included
a second video of an exchange with this photographer. So
when the photographer noticed that Neelle was filming, he came
back over to try and shift the blame onto the
press photographers. So he said that he wasn't trying to
(06:06):
be nasty, and it was actually the daily male photographers
who were the bad guys and would rip everyone's heads
off and tell them to get out of the way
if they stepped onto the red carpet.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Isn't that interesting? Once he realized that they were filming,
I mean, as if they wouldn't be filming, well, his
tone totally changed, didn't they?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Neil then went on to confirm that this was not
an isolated incident and unfortunately happened to multiple black creators.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Let's take a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I guess what, guys, that experience did not only happen
to me, It did not only happen to Massy Zoe,
you know, the people I was with. It did not
only happen to them. It also happened to multiple black creators.
And the fact that they were saying, they were saying
(06:54):
that this wall is for nominees and press only, and
this is how they treated their only black nominee.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The creator that she is referencing is Florence Beatio, who
has over one point one million followers on TikTok and
who was nominated for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year.
Now despite being a nominee, Florence alleges that after she
lined up to walk the media red carpet, a photographer
refused to take photos of her and told her to
(07:24):
get off. What the hell now? In the video, which
has attracted one million views, Florence says she was still
trying to process the experience. Let's take a listen to
what she said.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
So basically, there was like media, there was like a
red carp I mean pink corpet, red carpet or whatever,
and me in this other creator, she's also a person
of color. We went on the carpet to get off.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
What is taken?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Because as we should he got nominated. What the early
we went on and I kid you not, there was
like I think full photographers and there was this photographer
that was wearing a blue cap and I got on
and literally he didn't take a photo. And then how
it's supposed to work. It's like we're all supposed to
(08:12):
like just kind of rotate, like so you get a
photo second, then you talk to me, and then you
get off the carpet. But like, this guy literally didn't
take any photo race and then he was telling me
to get off. He was telling me to get off,
and I was like, but I thought I was supposed
to go and then now do the media, like do interviews,
and obviously I don't know what's going on, so I
(08:33):
just got off. But it was just so embarrassing because
I'm like, what do you mean you didn't take any
photos and you literally just shoveled me off stage, And
then I've seen him take lots of photos of other people.
And then the other content creator she literally she went
and told I think she wanted told one of the
workers that TikTok, and then I think they wanted to
(08:56):
told him so then he was literally this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is absolutely disgusting I cannot believe that this is happening.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
This is someone who has been nominated for an award.
Why doesn't TikTok need their photos? Can they answer us that?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, it's a pattern of behavior. You can't deny
that this is racism.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The thing that makes me so sad is hearing how
embarrassed Florence was by this incident. I mean, this is
a moment where you're supposed to stand tall and proud
about what you have achieved. I mean, she was nominated
for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. That should
be a really proud and special moment, but instead it's
been marred by this experience.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Looking at this, there are two main issues going on.
There's obviously the abhorrent racism, and then there is a
breakdown in communication. So if the plan was for only
nominees to be photographed by media on the red carpet,
I mean Florence has come out and said, well, she
was a nominee and she was treated like shit. That's
the racism side there. But if that was the plan
that only nominees were going to get photographed, they needed
(09:55):
to communicate that to everyone that was attending the event.
This invite needed to have a better rundown of what
was going on.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
They've gone and.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Made these people feel special, saying, oh my god, you
have been selected to attend the TikTok Awards, shell out
your money to get flights, accommodation, your makeup and hair done,
and then we're going to treat you like crap. You're
going to be amongst eight thousand other people and we're
going to sit you in the nosebleeds and then actually
abuse you and be racists. Like what is going on?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, how dare a creator want to walk on
the red carpet and get their photo taken?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
How dare they? The tone of these photographers is just
not it. And as someone who has worked in the
media before, yes, photographers can be very grumpy, but why
are you treating invited guests like this? Like it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
There is no excuse for racism. I mean these photographers
should be fired. They should be and the TikTok staff.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Ever, now the awards have been an absolute pr nightmare
for TikTok because creators are now calling to boycott them
and declaring that they won't be returning next year. There's
now quite a lot of creators who are making videos
talking about the shame they feel for attending the awards.
Let's have a listen to what Adelaide creator Matilda Norton said. Kay,
does anyone else have post traumatic TikTok Awards show shame
(11:10):
p t t a s S?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Because I do genuinely feel.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So much shame and embarrassment that I went, and I
just feel like one, like, it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean, I don't think Matilda Norton should feel any shame.
I think the event organizer should be feeling shame, and
the photographers, I mean, those are the people at fault. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, I think the reason she's talking about feeling this
shame is because, as author and TikTok creator Kate Forster
explain so eloquently, is that when you attend an event
these days, unfortunately, that is you aligning your brand with
the other brand. So you really have to be careful
about which events you're attending and which brands you're putting
your support behind. Obviously, in this case, the racism happened
(11:57):
during the event. This is a very unexp thing to happen,
So I wouldn't blame any creators who attended obviously, next year,
perhaps if they choose to attend, that's when we can
look a little bit deeper into this. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean you can only make that decision based on
what's happened prior to you accepting the invine.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now, on the topic of Kate, she has put out
a series of videos reacting to the TikTok Awards. Now,
she didn't attend the event, but she has spoken out
about the racism and also the fact that some creators
were put in rooms alongside their own stalkers. Let's have
a listen to what she said.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Creators reported racism. It was an unsafe space. People were
put in rooms with their own stalkers, people who have
AVOs on them, and they were in the same room.
People being harassed. Why did you block me and blah
blah blah, disabled paper room filled with vape, smoke like
fucking insane, no water for two hours. This isn't a
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vibe issue, It's a values issue. How important you understand that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I'm very interested in Kate's allegations around content creators being
put in rooms with their own stalkers. Is that in
relation to paparazzi who have stalked them.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Or now I just believe it's other creators who have
beef with other creators. So there's potential falling outs. But
it's not very good planning by TikTok. Surely they should
be across the TikTok drama.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I mean the fact that they invited eight thousand creators,
they probably couldn't keep across all of the beef. And
who doesn't like who? Now In terms of Neil's comments
regarding content creators essentially being invited to fill seats, this
sentiment was backed up by a content creator called doctor Michael.
So as the name suggests, he works full time as
a doctor in the ED and has amassed a huge
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following of over half a million people for sharing medical
tips and debunking wellness myths. Now, after attending the awards,
Doctor Michael uploaded a video with caption, if you didn't
get an invite to the TikTok.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Awards, you dodged a bullet.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So in the three minute call that he libeled the
awards not as a shambled, Let's take a listen.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
What an absolute shambleed. I've never felt more Scottish than
I did last night, because Scottish people have this bullshit
radar that goes off whenever they smell that something's not
quite right. And as soon as I walked in, my bullshit.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Radar was going, maybe maybe, maybe, maybe maybe.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Do not be fooled by the polished look on the TV.
It was a mess, a real mess that was like
sardines in a can. And on the TV, Yeah, the
red carpet looks fantastic. Yes, go and get your picture taken. Oh,
everybody's looking great. No, there was eight thousand people and
there was two tiny bits of red carpet that were
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about three meters long. Those people waiting for two hours
just to get a picture, Those people waiting hours for
other stuff with fancy cameras that were moving around and
all that kind of shit. It was bollocks.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One of my favorite content cret is Cottney Mang and
she is a friend of the show. She attended the
TIK Awards as a plus one, and she spoke about
having to wait two hours on the red carpet to
get you know, that slow mo glam vision, and I
was like, oh, it must have just been in that
sort of portion, like you know, there's technology involved to
capture that shot. It's crazy to think that the whole
red carpet area was actually congested for hours.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I mean, if there's anyone who will wait two hours
for a photo, it is an influencer. But it does
seem a bit ridiculous. Doctor Michael said that the awards
night was so busy that it actually felt like he
was in an airport. In fact, he said he would
have rather been in an airport. And he said that
it was in stark contrast to the event two years prior,
which he said was much smaller and more intimate. He
said it was actually a place where creators could mingle
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and connect. Now on top of the traffic jams at
the picture walls. Doctor Michael said that guests were also
forced to pay their own way, so at the previous
events that he's attended, he said, they put on free
food and free drink, but this time around there was
none of that, and he complained that he was slugged
twenty eight dollars for a drink. See when I was
watching Colly's content from the TikTok Awards, I saw that
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her and her friend bought like big bags of chips
to take in and they were kind of you know,
in the nosebleed area. And I was like, Oh, maybe
that's because you know the content creators she went with.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I wasn't familiar with her. She's a Taylor Swift content creator.
I was like, Oh, maybe they put the like smaller
time content creators, you know, higher are. But then when
I saw as a reference earlier aims up high, I
was like, hang on, what's going on, Like, it doesn't
make any sense. You can't invite people as guests to
an awards night and then ask them to pay for
the food.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, as doctor Michael said, as if TikTok couldn't get
a sponsor, a food or drink sponsor, like, surely someone
would have been happy with the amount of people who
creating content around this to put their food or drink
brand forward.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's interesting because the award night was held at the
ICC Sydney Theater, which only last week was renamed TikTok
Entertainment Center. So it makes sense that they decided, in
order to show off this new venue that they've got
naming rights too, that they wanted to invite a lot
of people use the theater at its greatest and also
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just go okay, well, everyone can buy food and drink
from the vendors at the theater, but I mean that
has completely backfired.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, well, underneath doctor Michael's video, there were quite a
number of people who shared they're discussed in creators having
to pay for their own food. One said it's a
bit bizarre to have an Australian version of these awards
when the platform doesn't even pay Australian creators, while another
said I can't fathom not even getting a free drink,
especially in a country that doesn't pay its creators assent. Now,
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there were a couple of followers who asked doctor Michael
why are there so many creators talking up the event
and saying how well run it was and that they
loved it, And he pointed out that it's basically so
that they can secure themselves an invite next year. I mean,
Britney Saunders found herself off the guest list this year
after she gave her honest feedback on last year's awards.
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So it's not exactly surprising that some creators are trying
to sing TikTok's praises and they're not wanting to ruffle
any feathers.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I mean Britney Saunders is probably counting her lucky stars
that she didn't go to that exactly. It was a
blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now. Frankie Evans, who is a micro influencer with thirty
two thousand followers on TikTok, agreed with doctor Michael's sentiment.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
TikTok awards a couple of impressions might get me in trouble.
Last night, I reattended my Year ten formal. I feel
like it was quite a tacky event. The host started
with who's done a shit tonight? Let's give a round
of applause.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
For the toilets.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Creators and influencers were vaping inside.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
The whole room was so foggy because of.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The vape, like so so foggy, and I just thought
that was extremely disrespectful.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
And security spent all night yelling at.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Girls because everyone's stresses kept getting caught and escalators.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I think it was a very very hard crowd to please.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No one laughed at anything, No one was really that
happy for people.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I love this event being referred to as a Year
ten formal. I feel like that is the best description.
I just had a flashback to our year eleven four.
We didn't have one in year ten. The year eleven
was our first one, and yeah, I think it sounds
like this night. It was a fucking shit show. I
remember a guy came with a cane like a walking stick,
which had I think pills all inside. So that gives
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you an idea of the event that was attended. I
feel like this could have been happening at the TikTok
Awards as well. Now, Frankie confirmed that creators did have
to buy their own drink, as doctor Michael said, and
she said it was kind of good because it brought
influences back down to Earth. I wonder if maybe TikTok
also didn't want influencers getting too drunk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No, I think it's a cheap thing. I don't think
that they would have cared about that. Frankie also said
that the crowd was very hard to please and that
no one laughed at any of the jokes, probably because
they weren't drinking, so they're way hungry.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
They were hungry. She also said that tall poppy syndrome
in Australia is so real, so that's a bit of
a different side to the event.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now, another content creator to share their thoughts on the
awards was for dance. So she is a divorce lawyer
with over one point three million followers, and she's known
for sharing her day on a plate.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I quite enjoy her Gonda, Yeah, I do as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now this is what she had to say about the
bar situation.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Okay, so I've come out for the break. It's twenty
past seven and the bar is closed.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's closed.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You're allowed to have drinking a lot of a soft drink.
You can't have any water, you can't have any drinks.
Whatswevery because they want you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
To watch the show. As I said, just popped out
to go to the.
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Ladies and I would like a drink, but you can't
have a drink because the path closed until eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
She also said this about the media wall line but
this is.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
The money shop to get the money shot. You've got
a fucking line right. We're not lining up. I'm sorry,
we're not lining up. My sister says we should line up.
I don't care that much to line up. I don't
need the photo. I don't want to line up. We're
not lining up.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I love the fact that she just said, fuck this.
I'm above this. I'm not lining up for a photo.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I respect that, but again, I feel for the
creators who you know, they've flown over. They've had to
pay for that, They've had to pay for a makeup artist,
They've paid for their hair to get done, They've paid
for a new gown.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You want to get a shot. I mean, to be fair,
if I had been invited to the TikTok Awards, I'd
want to get on the red carpet, have a photo take.
And I mean, really, that's what you're there for, to
be seen exactly. Indy Clinton has been forced to defend
her actions on the TikTok Awards red carpet after a
video of her posing for photos went viral. At the
time of recording, the video has a mass over one
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point two million views and attracted a lot of commentary.
For those who haven't seen the clipcake, can you explain.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It, I'll do my best considering this as an audio format.
So Indy's husband Ben is the first to walk into shot,
and he stands in front of the media wall and
Indy kind of sweeps in behind him. It's almost like
she's floating. She glided in so quickly. She then rushed
over so she could pose on what I'm guessing is
her preferred side to be photographed on. I get that, Yeah,
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I get it as well. She then kind of cozy
it up to Ben for a split second before rushing
off in another direction. She looked very frantic, and she
was sort of twisting and readjusting herself. I mean, she
was wearing an absolutely stunning gown designed by Effie Katz
had a very plunging neckline, so she was obviously trying
not to have a wardrobe malfunction.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
The way she was floating around it almost reminded me
of the tooth fairy character that she's been blaming for
her kids. I think it's it's called Opal the tooth
for our came its name, but it was like, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
She ended up standing long enough with Ben for photos
to be taken before he exited the shot for her
individual photos, and again Indy looked really frazzled as the
photographers yelled things out at her. She then said, oh
my god, you all want me?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
What the hell? It's a bit in contrast to the
experience of some other creators that we've just documented have
exces very interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Now the comments on this video have been switched off
because they got very defamatory. Before the comments were turned off,
Indy shared a video reply to a comment that read,
you literally look cracked out on the carpet at the
TikTok Awards. Girl, Well, let's take a listen to what
Indy said.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Usually addressed things like this, but I thought, I'm going
to stand up for myself. Was I hate when people
spread untrue things about me. It's a video going around
to me on the red carpet at the TikTok Awards
that is going viral because of the way I was acting.
I guess, just to give you a little strinkle of context,
I have been working every day, every night for the
last two weeks, so I'm extremely tired, like overwhelmed, tired,
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burns out, I'm done. Got to the awards super late,
so I had five more minutes until the red carpet flows,
and they really wanted to rush me through because the
awards are about to start. I can literally hear in
the video the photographers fighting at each other because one
of them told me to go to the end of
the carpet where he was.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
We obviously have.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To start at one end.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Make your way down, but he got me there straightaways.
I was led there and then all the other then
they start fighting in front of me, and I'm like, oh,
that's why I go, Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I feels I wanted.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Similar to the behavior we saw from journalists last year
at the TikTok Awards and more recently at Australian Fashion Week,
one of the reporters tried to create a viral moment.
This time it was by trying to get Indy to
talk about her nose job.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Second interview. There's only two questions, and the second question
was like, what's your wabi sabi? And I was like,
what is a wabi sabi? She says, Oh, it's like
something that's like off center, a bit one key or something,
you know, like my webbie sabag is my tooth my head.
I'm like, I'm not mentioning this because like, I don't
want to talk about that. Like I've just spent all
afternoon getting ready, I feel really good. I didn't want
to talk about it. There's so many other things people
talk about. I'm like, hey, cool, my webbi sabi is
like my off center middle part, Like it's always off center,
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like it's always won key.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Her response was only God, I.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Thought you're going to say your nose sorry, Like what now.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Indy went on to say that she told the reporter
that she can't comment legally about her nose and said
that the questions really threw her and she suddenly felt
like she didn't want to be there at the event.
She just wanted to go home.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I can understand that, though I think people are forgetting
how traumatic the past eight months has been for Indy.
She has been relentlessly trolled and bullied over this nose job.
It's different when she jumps on her own platform and
decides that she wants to talk about it, or she
appears in a podcast and is approved those questions. But
this is all in a bid for TikTok to create
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a viral moment and essentially create more trolling.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, we all know what type of comments would have
been put under that video, and it gives you an
insight into the headspace she would have been in when
she appeared on the red carpet. She's got all these
photographers yelling and screaming at her while trying to work out,
you know what angle she wants to be photographed in.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, well that's another thing as well. She probably was
feeling quite self conscious about being captured from a ton
of different angles with photographers who we've heard are very rude.
I mean, maybe a lot of the commentary came from
people who don't actually follow Indy's content, because when I
saw that vision, I thought, that's just Indy being Indy.
She's always a bit crazy and out there in saying that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Though, there was a lot of commentary on Indy's video saying, oh,
I was ready to go to war for you, and
then I saw the vision. If I was Indy's pr manager,
I probably would have told her to ignore the video
because what she's done is actually drive more attention to it.
It's gone even more viral. You know, We've seen the
comments have now been switched off. I'm assuming because they
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were so defamatory, because either are defamatory claims being made
against Indy Clinton that she has come out and said.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Is not true.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
We need to take her word on that. I mean,
it was pretty funny because she ended up sharing a
photo of her and Ben eating a lobster dinner thirty
minutes after the awards and not saying oh, you know,
we weren't even partying, Like this is us enjoying a meal.
I'm probably hungry because they didn't get any food of
the awards.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, actually think it's good that she did address the
rumors and flat out say no, there's no truth to that,
because sometimes when you don't comment, it looks like you're
trying to hide something.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I understand why she did it, because if that was
me and I'm like, this is completely untrue, I would
want to clear my own name. But I think it
just kind of made it go more viral and led
to further speculation. There was also a lot of negative commentary,
people saying that they were unhappy that Indie said she
was exhausted. One person wrote, you know, most of us
work almost every day every week, right, life out lad.
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That comment got twenty five thousand likes on her own page.
That pissed me off, though, because I'm like, Okay, what
Indy's trying to say is in addition to her full
time job as a mother of three, which is the
hardest fucking job in the world, she also works as
a content creator and a stakeholder in a business, So yeah,
she would be bloody busy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Adam Hyde's iconic performance alongside the Wiggles at the TikTok
Awards has been soured following the release of a backstage
TikTok video, Kate, can you tell us more well?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
When vision from Adam's performance was shared across social media,
a lot of us had to do a double take
when Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom appeared on stage
next to Abby Chatfield. So Anthony joined in on the
bagpipes while Adam sung dancing too, while the Tree of
Wisdom was a backup dancer.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And was Abby playing the bongo drumson.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, it was just iconic. I mean that clip went
everywhere now. Following the Awards, Adam shared a video backstage
with Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom, and in the clip,
Adam is seen gyrating with just a towe on around
his waist while Anthony performed his signature wiggles fingers. Now
the Tree also did his special dance. The problem was
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the clip was set to Adam's new single Ecstasy, so
in the chorus of the song, Adam sings, Hey, Gail,
come on dance with me, you and your pocket of Ecstasy.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Adam captioned the video the Wiggles get it now.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The backlash was very swift. People started accusing the Wiggles
of endorsing drug use. Wiggles ended up having to release
a statement saying they do not condone the use of
drugs in any form. The statement continued, the content being
shared was not created or approved by us, and we
have asked for it to be removed. While Kelly Holiday
(28:43):
in brackets Adam Hyde is a friend of the Wiggles,
the video and the music added to it were created
independently and without our knowledge. Our performance at the TikTok
Awards was family friendly and fun, and this video was
edited together separately and without our awareness.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
To Adam's credit, he ended up ut removing the video
from TikTok.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, that's the thing about this day and age.
Even though he's removed it, there's been so many people
who've saved the video and screen recorded it. You can
easily find it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Also with the video being removed, while you know, there's
some people resharing it. I saw these headlines and I
was like, oh my god, like, you know, we only
briefly read it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I was like, were the Wickles caught.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Out doing drugs with Adam haydbackstage like that's what I
initially thought. I was actually telling Reesal like did you
hear about that? And he goes no, wasn't it just
a video with a song? And I was like, oh,
that makes more sense. But it seems like they were
completely unaware of the song that was actually going to
be put behind the vision.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Tammy Hembro was a notable no show at the TikTok Awards,
despite being nominated for Creator of the Year. Her absence
sent the rumor meal into overdrive, sparking some outlandish stories. Okay,
can you tell us more?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I had been waiting all day to see what Tammy
wore to the event. I was expecting and get ready
with me video and an outfit reveal at the very least,
But what I got was radio silence and when she
didn't appear on the red car. But I was really
thrown because it was clear she wasn't home on the
Gold Coast either. So Tammy's ex fiance and baby daddy,
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Matt Paul, had been posting from their daughter Posey's dance
concert alongside his new fiance Analie's otway and Tammy was
nowhere to be seen.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well Matt did point out that Analise did Posey's makeup
and got her ready for the event.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And I remember seeing this vision and thinking, God, Tammy
would be so sad to be missing out on this,
But she must be in Sydney for the TikTok Awards,
like that's clearly why she's not there. But of course
she ended up not being there. So Tammy's absence took
a lot of people by surprise, particularly considering she was
part of the promo for the awards, not to mention
the fact that she was nominated for the biggest award.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, and when people realized that Tammy wasn't at the awards,
rumors started swirling, in particular when people also noticed that
Tammy's ex husband, Matt Sakowski wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Now whispers among the award attendees spread to the media,
and The Daily Mail started investigating a story that Tammy
was overseas filming for I'm a Celeb with Matt. They
actually got quotes from people at the event saying, oh,
that's what they had heard.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Tammy added further fuel to the fire because she ended
up being mia from socials following the event. She only
ended up sharing some pre recorded Black Friday Sales content,
but apart from that, she didn't share where she was
or what she'd been up to.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And it seemed like this story about I'm asleb could
be true because Anna Lise also shared on social media
that she and Matt were looking after Posey full time
or Tammy was away for a month. I knew this
whole thing was bullshit though from the get go, because
Matt revealed on his podcast on Wednesday that he wasn't
invited to the TikTok Awards.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm not surprised that he wasn't invited, though he's only
got thirteen thousand followers on there, so he's not even
really a micro reinfluencer.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
He still appears to be very much in the country
as well. I mean, I'm aware that he could have
banked up some content to make it look like he
is still here, but he's been posting on his stories
quite a lot with his sister's Golden retriever and with
his manager.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I found those photos interesting. So Matt is represented
by One Day Dream, which is a leading influencer and
talent agency and also a podcast network, and in the
series of photos, he and his talent manager, Jenna are
in the One day Dream office and Matt was poking
fun at Jenna for wearing a tie, and then they
recreated a scene from the office and I mean, side note,
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these ties are apparently all the rage with Jens Edits.
I've seen a couple of influencers, including Saffron Baker, wearing
these when they're out and about, like she wore one
in Powis, as if it was this huge fashion moment.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean, I'm not even going to comment on fashion
because I know, for at least a year now, I've
just predominantly been wearing leggings and.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Apparently they're out of fashion now as well. It's devastating now.
Aside from that, I just think it's really interesting that
Matt has been signed by a large agency like One
day Dream. It's not quite clear if this is a
new signing. I think perhaps he's been on their books
for a couple of months now. I mean, it does
make sense because his marriage to Tammy Hembro has obviously
helped lift his profile. But I was fascinated to see
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how they described him on their website as talent, so
I was like, oh, they're probably desperate to mention Tammy
in there. Fortunately for him, they didn't, so it read
Matt Zakowski, a standout from Love Island Australia Season two,
captivates with his cheeky charm and quick wit, earning himself
the runners up title. A family man, he enjoys time
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with his sisters, NFL and horror films. I thought it
was funny that they mentioned that he continued passionate about health,
fitness and fashion. Matt divides his time between creating content
and modeling. Alongside Anna McAvoy, a former contestant and close friend,
he co hosts the podcast Whears Your head At, offering
insights into relationships, laughter, and advice from both gender perspectives.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That means it's a nice write up. I originally thought
that the woman in the photo with Matt was another
content creator or influencer. I didn't realize it was his
actual manager. And did you get a bit of like
flirty vibe between them?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah? I did, and that's why I took note of it.
I was like, interesting, well, she was a beautiful she's
a beautiful girl.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, I was like, is he posting this because he's
just signed with the agency. But then I had a
look and he wasn't actually no talent on.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, he's been with them for a while. She's the
brains behind the fit checks that I see. She's you know,
the hand that you normally see in them, the gun hand.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, she obviously got him an invite to the Wicked
premiere as well, which seems to be up his alley
if he's into movies and movie reviews.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, getting back to where Tammy Hembro actually is. The
only element of truth to the rumors that were flying
around is that Tammy is in fact filming for a
reality show. It's not I'm a Celebrity though. Instead, she's
appearing on Channel nine's new show Shark, which started production
in the Bahamas a week and a half ago. Back
in October, we discussed how The Herald Sun had reported
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Tammy's name was mentioned as a cast member on the
show during Channel nine's upfronts. I'm a bit disappointed because
I would much prefer to see her I'm a celeb
This show sounds a little bit weird. It basically puts
celebrities to the test by making them do a bunch
of challenges, which include close encounters with sharks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It is a bit of a weird show. Didn't she
get some sort of diving thing recently?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, in August she spoke a lot about doing a
scuba diving course, so it all makes a lot of sense.
And on Saturday, she finally addressed the speculation as to
why she didn't attend the awards.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Let's take a listen, guys, I'm so sad that I
have had to miss the TikTok Awards. I'm not home
at the moment, but yeah, I know I'm a little
bit mia, but I'll be back.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, I mean maybe she got the heads up that
she wasn't winning Creative the Year and thought, well, I've
got better and bigger things on.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Do you think they would have given her the award
if she couldn't attend, Like it wouldn't have been a
good look.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, but I don't really think that she is TikTok
Creator of the Year. I mean, yeah, she lip syncs
to a few videos, and yes, she did drop the
bomb about her divorce on there, but I don't I
think that there's more worthy winners than her.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I mean, she was one of the only creator actually
knew who was up for the awards, so That's why
I thought she should have won.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But then again, that's the beauty of TikTok. Someone could
have three million followers and you've got no idea who
they are. It's whatever niche or algorithm you're being served up.
That is where we will leave things today. Thank you
so much for joining us for this episode. If you
have enjoyed it, could you please make.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
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Speaker 1 (36:28):
This podcast was recorded.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
On the traditional land of the Ghana people of the
Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.
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