October 29, 2025 • 62 mins
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⏱️ Chapters
00:00 — Intro: Skin market crash
11:21 — TheMongolz bench Senzu?
20:24 — Stewie2K allegedly gambles away borrowed skins
21:00 — Take of the week
31:33 — Fnatic explain decision to bench CYPHER
38:36 — Metizport bench LOOM1 (roster move quickfire)
46:03 — PGL Bucharest mid-tournament review
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(00:00):
Guys, what is half of 0? I don't do much is.
It still 0. It is, and that's good because
that's how much I've lost this week in the in the knife price
debate. How much have you lost, Jack?
My life was 1200 ish. It's about 5:00 to 6:00 so I've
(00:24):
I've lost half of the value of the knife.
My Reds have gone up a little bit but not enough to cover the
cost. But it's OK because I don't.
I don't have my entire net worthin skins actually.
I just haven't looked. Yeah, ignorance on the list.
Well, I'm not going to sell my knife anyway.
Like my yeah, my knife isn't real money.
(00:45):
My knife becomes real money whenI decide to sell it years down
the line or when I get a new one.
Other than that, it's just it's the equivalent of a McDonald's
cheeseburger. I have bought it and already
consumed it. Yeah, I, I think that's a good
way to look at skin spending honestly that it's purchase not,
you know, you're not like investing, right.
(01:05):
But obviously some people do. And what those people?
While the skin is in my inventory, it it holds 0 value.
It only holds value when I decide to sell it and then it's
worth whatever it's worth. Like, I won't, yeah, I won't
give a fuck how much it's worth at that point, right?
I sold mine a few a few months ago, so I I got very fortunate
this week when Valve decided that you could now trade
(01:27):
Redskins up to knives in what isI think an absolutely hilarious
update. But of course I'm quite biased
in this. Lots of other people do not
think it's quite so funny. Like that Chinese guy who lost
$900,000 worth in his inventory.Why did you play your whole?
(01:49):
Why would you put so much money in skins?
I would say that again, maybe it's for tax or because the the
interest on skins is like betterthan most bank accounts or
crypto, I don't really know. But like if that much of your if
if you can't afford to lose that, why is it in skins?
Do you know what I mean? Like at least with stocks or
(02:09):
crypto and stuff, it it generally is like self governing
to a degree, right? Like the markets tend to be
pretty stable. CS skins are controlled by a
private company who owe you absolutely nothing.
And if they see a way of making more money for whether it's
making Redskins more valuable because there's more Redskins in
(02:30):
circulation, right? So if they cost more, that's
more transactions for the ultimate money from.
It's made everything more expensive.
Even Blueskins like the cheapest.
The cheapest blueskin before theupdate was what, free P?
Yeah like within a day or two itwas 10 Pi.
Don't know if that's changed butlike it has literally made the
entire market. More, but even then like.
Apart from knives. You'd need what?
(02:53):
5000 Blueskins. Is it 5000 actually?
Wow, that's. Yeah.
You know, I don't know. We just.
Found look when they go back down to free pay I I will be
doing I will I will buy 5000 Blueskins.
Just trading from the bottom, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, because that just seems like a fun way to spend a
long amount of time. Does it?
(03:14):
That seems fun to you. Yeah, I'll do it with Dickle and
we'll like drink or something. I mean, that's still £150.
But Dickle Dickle like a genuinely has fun playing cookie
clicker, so it would actually befun for him.
I think I don't know the the bigthing with with this whole skin
debacle is that like skin priceswere getting out of control
(03:38):
right when you had. Like, oh, they were ridiculous.
I'll leave souvenirs out of it, but like even like it's just
generally the common ish gloves were like 20 K plus.
It's ridiculous. And like I kind of get the feel
that like if you play the game enough to want a knife and you
don't, you you shouldn't have tolike spend like 300 on like a
(04:00):
battle scarred fucking safari mesh gut knife just to have a
knife because like who the fuck wants that shit right?
I would say making knife is juststupid really because no one, no
one wants them right? But you like gut knives, did you
say? I like gut knives, they look
mean. I had I, I used to have a like a
bunch of slaughter knives and I think I had a gut knife at the
(04:22):
time as well, but I think back now as well for like my image is
worth less than it was like a long time ago for sure.
I I think I would have been a lot more upset if this happened
back then when I had like 3 or 4knives and.
You know The thing is, is like Isold skins.
I used to have a relatively expensive inventory.
(04:44):
I've sold it all in like 2122. That inventory would be worth
thousands. Now I've sold it for about £600.
It's the thing running it, but. Like there was like a minware
Quran bit a fact. New AK fuel injector.
There's a couple grand there alone where it's just like, I'm
(05:06):
not asked because I've already, I've already like effectively
lost money from skins, so who gives a fuck?
And if you do give a fuck, and if you you've spent all this
money on skins instead of something fucking smarter, well,
there's a reason that Darwin became quite famous, isn't
there? Darwin Nunez pseudoscience, I'd
say. Oh yeah.
(05:27):
I do think though, like, well, like my first knife, I think it
was like 55 LB. I paid for it and it was like
like a shattered dagger stained like somewhat like really ugly
like bottom barrel knife. Do you know what I mean?
But that was like the cheapest knife before.
This was probably in the sort oflike 200 range I think.
(05:49):
Yeah, they were all. No, is it not?
No, the cheapest knife before this was about £60.
What was it like a Navajo fucking yeah?
Yeah, they weren't nice knives, but like So the last knife I
bought was a gift for our friendLiam.
It's Shadow Daggers Autotronic and they were £150.
(06:11):
They're now £70 because it came up on Face It last night, but
they were £150. I've got a Kukri Blue Steel, I
think I bought that for 180. So there was still like cheap
knives. It's just that that Korambit
that I owned when I bought it years ago was £150 and it's now,
oh, before the update at least. I think it was like 8-9 hundred
(06:31):
quid like that was where it got silly.
That was a that was a pair of shotted daggers Ontronic sold on
October 18th for 13 pence brilliant What did what did he
know big runs ago in the rate was around 100 for them at the
time as well. So that's.
Pretty, that's the thing. That's the thing.
By the way, what's your thoughtson the Valve devs that we've
(06:57):
like a couple of days before theupdate?
I know. Were were stockpiling.
So was that real about? Pursuit up in price.
Was that real? Because I saw that and I
thought, I'm sure somebody said that was not real.
MP 9. Well, OK, again in the stock
market, which is regulated and stuff, that's considered insider
trading, right, which is like big illegal and like you'll get
(07:17):
you'll get done for it. CS skins hold no monetary value,
right? Because they're just an in game
item and you supposedly can't get the money out of out of the
steam system, right? So obviously that's not true to
anyone who has a fucking brain. But that's kind of how Valve got
around the the issues with it, right?
Some guy on Reddit years ago washaving a divorce and I think he
(07:38):
put like most of his net worth into skins so so his wife
couldn't get, which I think is awesome.
Elliot's laughing. That's not going to be his
future. Sorry, that's horrible.
I'm kidding. What network?
I'm not married. There's no divorce in the
Philippines, so actually I can't.
But you don't live there mate. Anyway.
Yeah, but we are officially married in the Philippines.
(08:03):
What, are you not legally married?
Here. Yeah, both.
It's registered in the Philippines as well.
So it means I can't, I can't. We'll always be married in the
Philippines. There's no divorce, right?
Basically. Fair enough.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, sorry, I'm just one of no, this man.
Do you have to be registered in the Philippines or did you
choose to do that? Yeah, you have to, I think.
(08:24):
That's very interesting, I didn't realize that's how it
works. But not that interesting to you
point mate. The point was, yeah, I mean it.
They definitely shouldn't have done that, but I would have.
Well, this, this is the thing, right?
I would have done it. Not if I'd have heard of.
(08:45):
If I'd have heard of rumour, I'dhave probably done it.
Yeah. The fact, Yeah, the fact that.
I don't, but I don't work for Valve, Right?
So I kind of feel like if you work for Valve, Valve probably
should punish you for it. Yeah.
Because if I can't bet on games when I know that something funny
is about to happen to a team, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(09:07):
They shouldn't. Generally though.
They shouldn't be able to get rich quick off buying like 150
MP nines that are about to shootup like 1000% in value.
But like none of us here could we technically work on esports.
We should like not bet on anything like I don't I can't, I
won't bet on esports because it's just dangerous freelance.
No, I don't bet. Anyway, it's a bit different,
right, I suppose, but like. I I don't, I don't bother.
(09:31):
But even like even just for. Fun.
Even just doing it for fun without fright, knowledge or you
know, any of the issues that rise of working with TO's and
stuff, it's still kind of not a good luck, is it?
I don't think. Yeah, I don't.
I mean, I don't bet because I find betting slightly too fun
and I found. That Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19
exactly. Exactly.
(09:52):
I I actually cannot. Make you miss it better in.
Account with a lot of with a lotof companies like I'm just I'm
not allowed to. I have a have an anecdote that's
sort of vaguely related from this week.
I know a guy sort of breed like vaguely in FIFA, like an
Ultimate Team guy who bought 35,000 cards for 300 coins each
(10:17):
and he sold them all for like 3K.
He made 100 million coins and sold the coins to a website for
like 4 grand and he's just 4 grand richer because he heard a
rumour that was they were going to go up in price.
Which is basically what a valve employee has just done.
But these guys made 4 grand off it from playing FIFA which I
just think is insane. We will.
We'll. Move on.
(10:38):
Go. On but.
If you make your point. If anyone here did make money
from the update, let us know because I am, I am intruded.
And I do think like in a six months time, if we do a bit of a
retrospective, I think it'll be kind of interesting to see like
how the market regulates. Will my knife have a back to its
previous value? By the dip.
(10:59):
This is not financial advice. I think it'll.
Be a lot more, but I don't thinkit'll be back to its value.
But I didn't have a crazy overpriced knife.
Like I didn't have one of those fucking like 205050K.
Knife shit knife. Run the intro.
(11:21):
Speaking of having a dodgy history with skins, let's move
on to Senzu who was cut cut fromNKT few years ago for a little
bit of a little bit of a mishap with some sort of skin.
Is it allegedly? Skin kerfuffle, just for
safety's sake. Well, he came out.
Defending it the other day, didn't he?
(11:41):
So it was. Because I I only robbed them
because they have to be money. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. He did, he did.
He wasn't paying him and machineguns.
They just like they just did some fraud or something.
Did the OJ Simpson? I didn't do it, but if I did it
would have been. Because I would.
Have anyway he has been benched by the Mongols, shocked in a
(12:01):
move that seemed to come come toa shock.
It came as a surprise to even the Mongols who were just not at
all prepared for this. And I think what has transpired
is that he's burnt out, I believe was the the official,
not even the official. Some Mongolian journalist said
he was burnt out and had to be asked to be benched.
(12:24):
So he will not be playing at themain situation.
Well. John Fix just said he's got to
do some personal shit, didn't he?
Like he didn't say anything about burnout.
Yeah, but I. Mean John Fix has just been on
the toilet for months, Jack. Yeah, I've got to say like, like
how what personal shit requires you to be gone for like, you
know, the foreseeable? Like, can't you miss the
(12:46):
tournament? I mean, maybe his mum died or
something like and he's just like looking after his family, I
don't know. I said I don't have been asked,
but like, it's not time off. They're going to fucking change
that is it. Fucking it.
Well, it's not. Yeah, let's talk about sensory
mate before we go down this one.Are the Mongols just dead now?
No. No, they've still got Mesinia.
(13:09):
They like they've made weirder Austin moves before and got
better. I know this one's different
because sensors like actually good rather than like
Annihilation who is like not actually good, but like they've
made moves that nobody really understood quite a few times and
eventually figured it out. They'll just like find like they
found Senzu from fucking nowhere.
Like they'll just find that a little.
More funny, though, the last time they made a roster move was
(13:30):
two years ago. And two years ago.
Prior to that, they'd made a lot.
No, Sure, right. But when they were making those
moves, it was like maybe they didn't make sense.
And every time they'd signed a better player, the Mongols have
had points where they could havemade moves in the last two years
since then. So I think it's maybe quite
telling that they haven't and that especially they haven't got
(13:56):
a replacement. Well, maybe they're expecting
he'll come back. Yeah, but it does, it does put,
you know, they've been obviouslythey won EWC and they've been
making, you know, deep playoff runs for for most of the year
now, right. So this does put the question
marks around the rest of their season.
Obviously the major is the kind of we're on the road to that
(14:18):
right now, right? That's what everyone's looking
at, so. Are they going to be like for
the rest of the year? I I would, yeah, probably, yeah,
they might be great, but I don't.
Know they they won't. They will.
Struggle they will. They won't make the playoffs to
the major because, like Senzu's,just their group's age dumper.
(14:38):
Yeah, I was going to say like they there's a world they get
better on stage, but they were not going to get nearer stage is
kind of the problem. Yeah, but but like the Mongols
have been kind of iffy recently anyway.
From from what? Like.
Hasn't everyone been? Isn't it?
Quite well. Well, yes, I.
Feel like I feel like since theywon EWC they haven't really like
(14:58):
pushed on from there. Yeah, which is often been their
story. Like they have a good run, OK,
this one they actually won, but they have a good run and then
they just don't really capitalize on it is.
That the nature of being a team that's kind of min maxi and
requires peaks, right? Like like.
Yeah, that, I mean, that's that's totally fair.
(15:20):
But like, I'm not I'm not sure they were really going to win.
Like I'm not sure they were really a contender anyway.
They were like a contender on a technicality of being the 4th
best team in the world by. Rankings, I say.
They haven't pushed on from there.
They've played free tournaments.One was Fisher Playground too,
which they came second. Yeah.
One was Pro League. Bounty as well, right?
(15:42):
Bounty was before E to BC they came second there.
EPL they were 9th to 11th but I have a feeling something was
wrong with them during that event.
Wasn't someone really ill or some shit?
Seems to be like the EPL curse, right people?
Just yeah. And then fun to pick, they
finished third, which is like that's.
(16:03):
Kind of a dodgy result, yeah. Well that's a disappointing one
for me because they lost to Navi.
Yeah, yeah. But like Fisher Playground too,
they lost to Fury, so I'm not going to criticize them for
losing to the third best team. Yeah, yeah.
No, of course, but like you. Want fun to pick in the end
Legacy? Fury.
Fury. Yeah.
Legacy, wouldn't they? Yeah.
(16:24):
Not be in the final. Probably not good good football.
It was good, It was good. Yeah, like Mongols were a very
good team, but I don't think they were going to win the
major. So actually it's almost like if
he comes back refreshed and theycome back at the start of next
year with Senzu in firing form, maybe they can actually make a
(16:45):
run out next year. I know that's kind of like
coping, but what what other choice do we have here?
Because he's not playing anyway,so we might as well cope.
Yeah, I mean, in an era of like moves not happening because of
sentimentality and shit, right? Which we, you know, we'll get on
to later, I suppose. Maybe this makes sense.
(17:10):
But the issue is it doesn't seemlike it was a decision by the
all because it it seems like it came abruptly.
This is this is going to sound abit stupid.
OK considering they won E sportsWorld Cup, I don't really think
the Mongols are good enough to win tournaments anyway with or
without Senzu, even if he comes back refreshed like EWC.
(17:35):
They like they played Aurora in the final.
Have Aurora ever beaten the Mongols?
Maybe they beat them once, I don't know.
But like, OK, they took. Down vitality, yeah.
They they took down vitality that event great but like spirit
got knocked out early. The Mongols don't actually play
(17:55):
great CS, they just have great aim like.
Great aim. I just aim.
I just think they're like upmarket Aurora and probably
aren't actually good enough to win and that's OK because
they're still the best Asian team of all time.
Aurora yeah, beat them at PJ Lostana 2O that was the last
(18:17):
time they they beat them. So that was.
Because what? In May, May, right?
Yes it's Dallas Banti, EWC and also Thunder pick so not a great
head to head. Yeah, Mongols.
Mongols we think might just be alittle bit screwed coming into
the major. I, I, I sort of hope Senzu comes
(18:40):
back and they're, they're stronger.
They maybe they find another, like another one of Bartek's
brothers and just put him in. They find another hard steel man
who knows. Yeah, controllers will be the
stand in. I am Chengdu and presumably the
major as well. Let's have a look.
Unidelge Basenjargle. You rehearsed that that was
(19:05):
correct. I don't.
Know No, no, no, it's definitelywrong.
I just said it fast enough that it looked like I knew what I
would say. Basenjargle.
It's fucking awesome. Basenjargle is terrific.
I don't know if you guys have looked at this guy's like
numbers. He he's not a tier one player.
No, but this is This is why I don't think anyone in Mongolia
(19:28):
is good outside of the Mongols players.
There probably is. We just don't.
I'm not sure there is like, but then like a couple of these
teams play, they're not very good.
I suppose, but there's got to besomebody.
There's got to be somebody better than this guy.
(19:48):
Just please don't subject me to has Tecra again.
He's Mongols, have an Academy team anyway.
I. Thought they do so like just
like pick the best guy. Do you know just get the best
start like score? Back and call it a fucking day,
little Mongols. Move on, move on.
Academy Mongols move. On, move on.
(20:10):
We'll move on to the sake of theweek.
And guess what? It's another skin related
controversy. Me too, me too Cat.
Me Tao. Me Tao Cat called Stewie Stewie
2K as he's, you know, not known by his friends.
Is he called him a piece of shit?
(20:32):
Not one of his friends then, apparently.
Yeah, not one of his friends. Or maybe this is Maybe it is one
of his friends. Basically this guy lent Stewie
some items and Stewie never paidhim back and the implication is
that Stewie 2K supposedly gambled away the skins that were
he was borrowing and has never paid the guy back.
(20:55):
I have a lot of questions, but we'll first we'll get onto the
take of the week, which is Thorin.
You know, they're like, you know, Thorin is just such a
goldmine for this, even like youknow, whether or not you like
him or not, he's just a gold mine of take of the week
OverDrive. The famed leaker said that he'd
(21:16):
always heard bad things about Stewie.
Sometimes good CS career and money belongs to an idiot, which
is true. Thorin just responses.
Why is this the only piece of info you've ever kept to
yourself which you actually can't clap back to that it's one
line. It's one line.
He has killed you like he has just, he's just slaughtered you
(21:40):
there. Like it's one where you actually
just like if he does this to you, you just drop him the like
and the retweet you just you just like you just you just give
up. Have you ever read Overdrums bio
by the way? It's it's just excellent.
Yeah. TV spirit scout, insider, CIS
influencer, generous. One of the best CS players of
all time. Not generally.
(22:04):
Fair enough. What's the best thing of all
time? Who just pays people to carry
him in small land events and. Not this is I'm going to try and
refrain from saying anything that's libelous, but like Bro's
career is just like I found another child who's good at the
game. We never got on that.
But you know, they're not. They're really ever that good.
(22:26):
I mean that is. A leak, but leaking for the team
you work on just seems really silly.
Unlike. Somebody has to leak it from the
team, yeah. Yeah, sure.
But like being like an insider is sort of like walking in the
prac room and seeing who they'replaying is is not really that I
(22:47):
don't know. Personally, Jack.
You know, I think detective, but.
His personality is worse, but you know.
But I am not. I'm distancing myself from this
well. Look, allegedly and then it's
fine, right? And then you know what?
Like you, like you've thought ofit, or.
Can we bleep this out? What?
(23:07):
Can we, can we put it into my head, Jack?
Fuck you. Just said he hangs around with
young people. Can we just beat this all out?
Can we start the take of the? Week No, no, I'll, I'll, I'll
get us back on track. Elliot, right?
I think foreign's great, right? Because foreign's probably being
take of the week more than anyone else.
And it's either because he said something absolutely batshit
(23:28):
crazy because he's sat someone down so fucking hard like this
that they have no, like, no ability to reply.
This tweet was posted at 4:59 AM.
OverDrive will not be replying. I didn't even notice that.
That's so good. That is so good.
I mean, yeah, I can't talk. I was up at 3:30.
(23:52):
Yeah. No, I mean, I can't be asked.
I can't be asked to talk about Stewie 2K like.
Gambling other people's skins. Surprise surprise.
Really fucking dumb thing to do.Yeah we got on screen and also
Stewie saying he you won't ever see him gambling again after he
won 104,000 in free spins on whatever.
(24:13):
See dog shit game that is. This was me after I won a lot of
money on how United beat Southampton in the Carabao Cup
final years and years ago. And then I decided, hmm, I like
this too much and stopped betting.
Yeah. I should have taken the hint
when the first bet I ever put onwas I think it was Liverpool to
beat Arsenal or vice versa and whoever I bet on was 4 nil down
(24:36):
at half time. That was the literal first bet I
ever put on. I should have taken the hint.
Well, I I learnt many lessons. Never bet on the early kickoff.
It's a very important. Yeah, yeah, that that was also
an early kickoff, yeah. Thank thanks Baggies for beating
Arsenal and teach me that, but the point it got worrying for me
was when I bet on the amount of throw insurance in a game.
(24:57):
Yeah, not my mate. My mates at the London Major
were betting on was it bomb plants or grenade damage or
something and it was like they were just, they were just doing
it for for a laugh. They already put it on like 10
Pi think they were doing 10P bets with each other just for a
laugh. But the the problem is I would
(25:18):
find that fun if I really got I I was betting on League of
Legends for a bit and then I waslike, I don't even like League
of Legends. Why am I doing this?
Yeah, I still you made a lot of money, right?
You won a major. Yeah, you won a on slum, you
know, and also been paid very well.
You'd hope, right? So.
However, he was at EG. Sorry, I need to say something
(25:39):
because I feel like it's important to say if any betting
companies would like to sponsor.TLDR yes, we'll ignore
everything I've just said and start betting again happily.
And I'll do it only for your service and advertise you very
well. Likewise.
Please, we, we just talked abouthow much fun betting is.
Yeah, betting, just as long as you do, as long as you do it
(26:00):
responsibly. Thanks to our sponsor.
When the fun stops, stop. Not to ask one stop anyway.
Rage Shadow Legends run the ad. Anyway, yeah, this guy's got a
lot of, had a lot of money at one point, so the fact he's
borrowing money to gamble with is alarming and I hope he gets
the help he needs. And that's kind of all I have to
(26:22):
say about it. You're a fucking.
No honestly, like go fuck yourself.
Me. No, not you.
Yes, yeah, yeah, you, but also, but also you.
No, just like like me and Elliotare both sat here being like, Oh
yeah, we realized it was too funso we stopped.
Like as someone, you know, with a bit of a shady history when it
(26:44):
comes to various addictions, like you can just stop.
So this whole like getting the help.
Yeah, you go fuck yourself. Because like, I didn't get help.
I just stopped one day, you knowwhat I mean?
Like I've just got. I've just got no time for it.
How clearly? How do you got in counter
(27:05):
Strike? Stopped.
That's not addiction, that's just an abusive relationship.
But oh, OK. Yeah, that's stock.
That's different. OK.
No, but I don't think Counter Strike is the same.
Football Manager. We can talk about that.
But no, I'm that's not what the fuss is about.
I'm allowed to have an addition to Football Manager because it
literally got me a job at Football Manager for a bit.
(27:29):
My interview, it's just me. Strike also.
Well, yes, but fool. Yeah, but but Sam's also working
at the show. But on the topic of gambling
being fun, it does seem a lot more fun if you're gambling
someone else's money, doesn't it?
Because you can't. Lose.
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Like, hey, hey, she's 30K OK, all in on green.
Oh, it's gone. Well, I don't care.
And if they went, if I won, I may set for life.
Brilliant. I'd just like to to go to the
sub tweet that's on the screen right now where he's just
talking about the like millions that Stewie has or whatever and
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the EG salary, which if I remember right, it was about 50
KA month right I. Think it was 40.
That's silly, right? Not not that that really should
make any difference. How quickly after that money
would hit his bank account each month do you reckon it took him
to gamble it away? Well, let's just do a little
experiment, right? Let's say his rent was 2K.
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And that's me being generous, right?
Because he lives in a nice apartment, OK, 2K rent.
I'm going to say 1K for bills and food and shit.
So it's 3K he's spending just tolive, right?
Tax is going to be like. Taxes are not real, let's just
say the salaries after tax as well just for for the Peace of
Mind. OK so what's he got?
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37 K left. Yeah.
That's gone in, in in a night. Not a.
Chance, man, that does sound good, don't it?
That does sound fun, actually. Do you know what I take back my
previous sentiment, Stewie? Fucking go for it, my son.
At least get it all gone. At least do it in.
Vegas not on fucking CS GO lounge.
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No scam some more cunts and get it all fucking gone.
Like I, I want to be doing it inVegas.
I want to be playing. Poker.
Imagine Elliot Blackjack thinking about this.
Right, right. Imagine if he'd get drunk, these
Redskins. Think about how much money you'd
have now. We missed you, but think about
how much money I'd have if I like if I got pocket aces in
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Vegas. And if you, you know, didn't
have to spend money on having a child and a mortgage and
whatnot. Well, yeah, yeah, we're ignoring
if we're ignoring tax or I'm ignoring my mortgage.
Not the child, though I'm glad you didn't.
You didn't, you know. Yeah, I'll keep the kid.
He's coming with me to Vegas. He's card counting.
He's going to help get bitches. He's rain, baby.
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That's good. That's really good.
Anyways, we actually we actuallydo have to do an outbreak and it
is by Ray Cello Legends from the.
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
counter strike? I do, I took a weekend off and I
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came back to six new IGL's, 3 retirements and apparently now
these water boy got picked up bya top 20 team.
Right, that's why I've been relying on the TLDR newsletter.
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Great shadow legends. I'll make organizers.
I wish, I wish we had. I wish we had outtakes at the
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end. Put it in.
Put it in editor. Editor No.
Jesus, Charlie can just like start again with I'll make orc
noise no contact. What else has happened this
week, friends? I don't know, why don't we talk
about? That let's talk about somebody
who doesn't have a dodgy historywith skins and it's just very,
very unfortunate. We'll get onto that story in a
little bit. This one is on Cypher.
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Cypher, as we all know, was benched.
By the Nati pastor. Friend of Shore, Why not?
He was benched by friend of the podcast fanatic after qualifying
for for the major. And then he said friend of the
podcast the major. Yeah.
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And he had it confirmed to him that he was not playing at the
major because they they fanatic did try and claim that was up
for the debate, which I'm prettysure Sam called bullshit on last
week. Well, it was a fanatic.
Fanatic put out a video explaining why, and they
basically said the debate was between Jacasmo and Cipher or
Jacasmo and Crimes, because as we all know, Cipher and Crimes
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play in very, very similar ways.So that makes perfect sense.
It's just fucking mental and it that, no, it actually is mental
for exactly the reason you just said.
Like Jacasmo and crimes you can make into the same player.
Neither one of them can do what Cipher can do.
And it's like, look, we all know.
We've all read the deep dive, and if you haven't, go read it.
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But Saiful wasn't exceptional. I'm fanatic, but he had the
capability to be exceptional. The Crimson fan, I agree.
It's not a backhanded blame F who called him one of the best
antifrag as a Tier 2 which is sobackhanded.
But but also like, this is the thing as well, right?
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Jakaj was not even that good, like being adamant he's running
the team. Why don't we make room for him?
And there's like, it's it's not like Nork and device, right?
You get it? Nork was like, yeah, fuck me, I
guess. Fair enough.
Yeah. This is just like him, really.
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That's what we've got. And then fear and Jammu are just
like, I don't know, oops and another one go.
On do a Ukrainian accent. I don't know, while they're at
war. Go on, mock them.
Mock them, you piece of shit. What?
Go on then, they're at war. I think I'd know about that
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anyway. As a card carrying member of the
Kremlin, I'd know about it. If there was a war going on in
Ukraine, I'm pretty sure I know Mike as long.
As yeah but somebody would have like a flag in their bio or.
Something Jeffrey Epstein the New York you.
Are going to Josh, I hope you know you are getting poisoned
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for this. Like I I've said some
potentially libelous shit. I ain't saying this.
No, I'm not. I'm very aware there is a war
going on. Yeah, yeah.
No, of course I'm a whit. I'm in character as Jumbo or or.
Who was it that the line, that was it.
Was it next? One of the Russian players said.
It was going to say, I think Ukrainian Jambo is probably
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quite aware there's a war going on in.
Ukraine, I've not been there. I I can't comment.
We'll ask, we'll ask, we'll ask Putin.
I'm sure he'll have a good answer for us.
So we are, aren't we? A-Team at war?
A-Team at war with themselves. Oh, that, that's politically
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charged. Basically all of Counter Strike
at this point. Yeah, because.
Everyone thinks they're cunts for this.
Yeah, this is like. Apart from messios.
Fucked off your fan base by, youknow, going killing Sweden or
whatever they did, which seemed necessary at the time and
probably still is now. Sweden's not in a great spot, is
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it? But this is.
Unlike Ukraine, which is doing brilliantly.
Encounter. Strike.
Encounter Strike. Yeah, Encounter.
Yeah, it's. Going so well for now.
It's just not good, is it? It's just not a good move, both
on paper and and from a from like what's the word OPS Optics.
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Optics, that's the word. Yes, Fanatic are indeed ciphers
OPS. Yes, the off them, it ain't
good, is it? It ain't good and I just don't.
Think it's podcast no? No.
Sorry, sorry you. Sorry.
Remind me what you said about OverDrive for absolutely no
reason like 5 minutes ago, Jack?You fight it.
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I just need to. I didn't fly.
That's all. You did live.
Without saying anything libelous, he's like to look at
kids. Yes, their stats and their face
it performance. And their faces.
That's obvious. Face it.com.
Subscribe probably. I don't know.
This is a bad move, and there's been more bad moves as well.
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Yeah, no, this, this is actually.
This is some good ones as well. But I mean, yeah, like this, it
hasn't. Like it doesn't look like a good
move, as you say, like there's no reason to blow your team up.
For Giacasmo of all players, it's it's almost impressive to
like, take a team with three passion, UA players, a team that
everybody liked. Crim's a player who everyone
likes and we want to talk about blame there, but like, it's
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important that you've taken those four and made into into a
team that nobody likes so you'veyou've killed all goodwill
because. It's like everyone dislikes them
now but no one particularly likes them before.
But. The only no but everyone kind of
the old crime is. Rooting for them like oh, I'd
like to see if an act do good again, no.
But you were like quietly rooting for the org.
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You weren't quietly rooting for the fanatic team.
It's not like Nick, where you look at the team.
It's like, I actually like the players here.
It's like, I mean. Everyone likes crims though.
Yeah, he's a likable. Man, yeah, I think.
He's a Viking. It's a yeah.
It's a shame about him being bold, but he's generally fine.
It's aspirational though, isn't it?
Like he, sorry, no, inspirational.
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I mean, like, he's bold, but he hasn't let it held him back.
Maybe, maybe they had to check Sandra cows where to fix the
good. I think society should hold bold
people back. I'm just not kidding.
I refuse to shout out Eden Inya how the moves this week.
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Where are they? Where are they?
Other moves Other moves I was I was held at held at fictional
gunpoint by Sam to put in RIP Lumi.
Lumi's dead, I'm winning. Decipher.
Look mate, I love you but I don't care anymore because Lumi
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is gone. They're also without plop scheme
which they're also without plopskey like they really have like
the the OPS really are down. But that pop, you're like, oh,
I'm without gonorrhea, you know what I mean?
It's like, that's good. That's a good thing, right?
Hang on. Hang on, actually, because this
I'm without gonorrhea, the shirts say I'm with stupidity or
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with an arrow to your significant other.
This is I'm without gonorrhea. Movies really bad.
Is he better or worse than that?Gonna read?
Debate, The thing is. I think he's worse.
Is players seem to break him, Swedish players like he's like a
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pug star. They were like, oh, he's
actually really he's actually really good.
Oh, he's. So smart and he's.
I just don't. Think he can really throw a
flash bang? Yeah and you buy him an ARP
every round and he fucking dies.Fuck off like. 45700 and 50
you're allowed. To be a support Orpo if you're
like prime fallen or like you'resomeone that clutches a lot.
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Lumi didn't yeah kill anything. Which NOK?
Does actually. Yeah, yeah.
Lucy is a good clutch player. Yeah.
Genuine Noch is good. Noch is just kind of good.
He's not as good as I thought hecould be like a while ago, but.
He's a lot worse now than he was.
He's not. He's not that great now.
He's not gonorrhea. No like Lumi versus fucking
Kersey is a toss up for genuinely the the worst opera of
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all time. Coughing baby this hydrogen.
Bomb. I mean, not the worst of all
time. Smiths was an actual opera at
one point. All terrorists.
Smiths is better than both of them.
Yeah, Ben Fox. That's for sure.
Dead Fox also better than them. A literal dead fox might do
better. Oh no, Woody.
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Also better genuinely no no, no,no, no, no no no no no no looney
play. You are correct, but I have
since didn't play and I've refused to play.
Did you? Call it play.
Woody is third. Woody is third.
He's won the 3rd place. He's won the 3rd place decide.
Kersey and Lumi are still battling it out in the finals.
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You. Can't.
There's no way there's a worse player than Woody.
This is from Honestly Lumi is soterrible.
Is this is this O? Is this only auppers?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has Advent ever Aupp because
he's actually the worst player ever.
It's not like he's. Just gonna be on the game today.
Really. Ever.
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Advent his highest like his career highest rating in a year
is nought .96. He played in Asia his entire
career and never averaged over awarm.
That's fucking awesome. That's gang.
He didn't give a fuck. He didn't try.
Want to try? Can you search dragon for me on
HLTV? Dragon.
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D9 Is that something before we started?
That yeah, he's going on loan tothem.
It's the part. He's going on Dragon Bosque, the
second one. Yeah, he's going to them, isn't
he? I saw that.
So he's going. Pretty funny that Meta Sport
were like insulting Serbia like last week and now they've signed
the Serbia. Yeah, that is good, isn't it?
Yeah. Yeah, they're going to.
They're just going to sign him on loan and not play him as
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punishment. He's taking him as a political.
Prince How can Dragon be Serbianif he's older than Serbia?
Find out next week on Overtime on Maps.
Overtime on the Kremlin we got acouple of other moves and and
yeah, Jack needs to be out of here soon.
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So yeah, Dragon Dragon is standing in for Plops key, Nork
is coming in for Lumi or Gonorrhea depending on how you
see it. How your back is it?
Metis Sport probably just got better, if I had to guess.
But Plotsky just just the caveat, he's expected to come
back. He's just having a.
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Break for business? Yeah, he's probably, you know,
there are some diseases you can't get rid of.
I think you may be. Go on the Metis Sport team,
Charlie. Hang on.
Because I feel like it was either plush, teal or paleo.
Actually I think. Jaquin Yeah, it was one of them.
Jaquinho, according to Liquopaedia.
Yeah, I I also think that. Anyway, this seems pretty dead,
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so it don't really matter. Like this seems like a dead.
Man on that, supposedly he was like 13 and like 4-5 K or
something. He's like kind of preposterously
good and face it. Well, it can't be any worse than
Nilo. Yeah, Nilo was a let down.
He was so. Terrible as it happened, he's
just kind of bad. Yeah, I mean, listen, Heroica
just either like really good or really bad and there's just,
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they're never OK. I would say very anyway.
Let's move on a couple of other smaller moves.
We don't really have to talk toomuch about these fly quests have
brought back as a as a coach, I'd just like to note that when
as a was on sprout as an in gameleader, they basically said he
didn't know what he was talking about.
And he's now fly quest coach. Yeah.
Apparently he's changed around aload of positions.
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I actually do just just very quickly want to say one thing on
fly quest. Why is bringing back You don't
have to respond to this. Why is bringing back JKS made
Netic fucking awful? Because he looked pretty good
before and now he's shit. Continue.
Sorry, just wanted to put that out.
Into the world. Just a thought starter, I like
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it. Speaking of people who are shit
now, Cold 0 has been kicked by Odic pseudoscience Hobbit or I
knew I knew he was always bad. He's apparently joined Knox
Clan, which is a team that, as far as I could tell, barely
exists. I think there's something about
them playing in Serie B in that tweet Which?
I like how their sponsor is overclock general gaming jargon.
(44:34):
I like they've also just got they've got all his
achievements, but obviously noneof them are from like the twenty
20s. They're they're ancient.
The over clock is just a commenton on cold 0 being you know that
like washed around he's over thehill past it.
Yeah, Ben Vindo. Ben Vindo the the final one I've
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got on my list is Kaze for some reason to pick up a player
coach, which as we've all decided before, this doesn't
make any sense. But like, it's Asia.
Like Asian Counter Strike doesn't make sense.
Also not the IGL, which makes itmake even less sense.
Yes, he's basically just a second caller and they can't
afford a coach. But is that?
No, they have a. Coach.
They have a coach, he's their assistant, something.
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I don't know what it means. I can't find Nobody knows what
it means, but it's provocative. No, no, no.
As it means he can talk in timeouts but then.
Everybody doesn't make sense. It's even more mental than that,
right? So Karzai wasn't on the team.
Their assistant coach was playing, they benched their
assistant coach, brought back Karzai, and he's now the
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assistant coach and the author. I love Asian gallants so much.
And some are still the IGL. What the fuck is going on?
This looks like a fucking ESCA open roster.
Honestly that kind of shit. I don't.
Get it? No fuck bring like justice.
For child Kane, get him off thatteam, get him on a good team.
Well, it's close goal, but Chinese.
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Anyway, for last thing for the day, because as we say, we have
14 minutes to get this done PGL.Quite a week wasn't it PGL.
Anyone anyone Anyone got any thoughts on PGL?
It's surely the Battle of Mid, isn't it?
Absolutely wank tournament organiser should hire a press
manager and realise that if you go.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, don't get interviews.
Nobody cares regardless. Well, let 100 journalists go to
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an event and then not give anyone interviews.
And I won't say shit to no more.No more journalists, anyway.
There's things. We should have been a common
artist for that. I could have made a move and
they've lost every game. Nip probably meant to do well as
you go first without their coachand they've been bad.
Am I? Right.
And not a journalist. Aurora, okay.
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Actually, no, Jack, I need to cut you off.
I need to cut you off. There was a comment last week to
say about how none of us ever say shit about the Saudis.
And while I'm not going to use this an opportunity to say shit
about the Saudis, I will say they do have journalists.
Right, thanks. Just didn't that just Jack?
Oh, don't talk about Ukraine. No, I was talking about
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journalists. Yeah, I know, but like how does
that help for? Anyway, it's a, it's a stinky
fucking tournament to begin with.
And certainly they get like no one who's meant to win stuff is
winning anything. It's just like, it's actually
just like it's just gross. I just, I just, I've had it on
all week as well. I had it on yesterday and today,
two days. I don't care.
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I just, I just, I just cannot care.
I cannot. I can't depend on the care.
At the start of this event, who would you say is the favorite
for it? Because I've watched enough
couch. I don't know that Aurora is not
the favorite like Aurora cannot.Be the favorite.
Yeah, it's liquid or 3D Max, isn't it?
Oh God, and. At that point, it's like, why
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are we here? What are we doing?
Gentle mates, I don't know. How you've got a fanatic MLBR
game and Owen 2 is really funny.Why am I?
Why are Nick gentle mates? Why are they here?
I mean, NEP just have really notgot the ball rolling at all.
I, I maybe existed everything, I'm going to blame Daniel.
Let's have a look. Let's, let's, let's actually
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talk about NIP then, because we've all been fans of NIP.
We all like NIP. We like this.
Right. I wouldn't call myself a fan.
I like Snappy. I would.
I like them all. I like wrinkle and I like shush
and I like you jerks, but they're kind of bad.
They're just, they're just kind of out you can see on screen.
Wrinkles really not had at the tournament.
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He's really just not I. Don't think it's.
Fair. That is a problem because he's
kind of their best player he's been.
Pretty decent all year, but like, yeah, he's not.
They're not doing well at this event and gentlemates.
Well, I hope this is just their actual level.
Is I'm telling you, I've been telling you for weeks, I can't I
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I refuse to believe that they'reactually any good.
Look at these players. Look at them.
None of them are good. I do not care that they speak
the same language other they're all.
Crap. You can't run from you can't run
from the the God of hands. You will get out of shock by
anyone good The The thing is. Right.
You've David G on your team. If the Mongols are an upmarket
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Aurora, then gentle mates are the shit that got left behind at
the food bank. No, no, gentle mates are the are
the bad 3D Max They're ALDI 3D Max.
Respect ALDI. Yeah, I do respect ALDI.
Sorry, you're right. They're they're the long dish.
They're the longest 3D Max. Nisa Londes, Nisa local premier.
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They're one, They're one of them.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, they are. They're called Corner Shop 3D
Max. 3D Max, you just said wouldbe one of the favourites.
They beat saw and then they lostout to B8B8.
Like somehow go 2O in every Swiss stage and they're just,
they always like tooth, always bottle it.
(49:56):
Yeah. They're just, yeah, like, like
they're obviously pretty OK, butI never really have them on my
list to be good to do well. I don't mind.
I think BAR are actually half decent.
They're like weirdly consistent.They're like consistently like a
2-3 team. Whereas like I'm sick of seeing
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pain. I'm just, I'm just sick of just
sick of pain. No, it's kind of how I feel
about B8 honestly. Like if B8 don't push past the
level that they're at in 2026, like the first half of 2026,
like we should just cease them from being a team.
Sure, sure, but B8 don't even like B8 don't seem to have any
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like delusions of grandeur. They don't.
They don't ever even try and break into.
Playoffs I understand about B8 though, he's like they just.
They seem to have the same fightthey seem.
To be events. Yeah, and they've they don't
seem to ever make a roster movie.
The last one they got rid of Captain Kirk, which was a real
shame. But like, Essential has been
there like forever and I've I'venever seen him do anything.
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No, he's actually he's only beenthere under two years.
No, I disagree. Two years?
No, that can't be correct. I just disagree.
Is that correct? What the fuck I don't.
Care if it's been on the team the longest.
Nipple's been there for ages, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, He went straight from NEP to that, didn't he?
And who the fuck was on the teamwhen Nipple joined?
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Captain Kirk. Wrinkle.
No. There's wrinkle on the other
one. What you call me?
No, Alex. Alex 666 was there and he left.
The the players like I'm so. Bored of I think nipple might
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have joined in Alex 666 place Soit was wrinkle Captain Kirk.
Damka No, I told you it was wrinkle.
Owner. Yeah, owner was one of them, and
they can't even see who the fifth player is.
John Cena Anyway, B8B8 versus Payne hamster.
(52:10):
Hamster with an app, not a hamster.
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, infamous, infamous
player Hamster. But yeah, like I don't B8 and
Payne in A20 games like one of these is fraudulently going
three and oh, and they don't care if that's like unfair
because they've played well at this event and they're actually
are pay. I I I hate pain because they no,
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I wanted to I wanted to like them for so long, but they
always let you down. They will always let you down.
They will never they might get to a playoffs, but they won't
they won't ever beat anyone in those players.
And if they do beat somebody good, they'll lose against
somebody bad next time. They they will just let you down
every single time. Just I'm sick.
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I'm sick of them because I like them for so long.
I've got a point about let downs.
Kept letting me down go. On fucking Jacob and Hypex, what
were they doing on Apogee to convince game Legion and Face to
sign them? Because they are both.
Hyposers. Really.
He's not He's. Not cursely, is he?
But he's not. Being no, he's not cursely bad,
but like he's yeah, he's not he's not great.
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You've got the best girl in the game.
No, I'm sorry if you're being put to the sword by fucking
sword. Yeah, Speaking of teams with
absolutely no firepower, like Yeah, Saw.
Aragorn, What a fucking name. Yeah, that's awesome.
Saw just like a depressing team to haven't.
(53:37):
I don't mean that disrespectfully like because I I
fucked with Saw when they were good, but they just lost all of
their players and now they're just like a really bad like
they're like a bad tribute. Yeah.
This is yeah, yeah. Like Towson was doing this
(53:58):
series and he's generally not very good either.
Rez like was like. The only one that's playing well
consistently at the moment. I swear like he's.
Making. A.
Good one. Fucking wank.
Yeah, Game of Agent, I think I just kind of yeah, the magics
run out. The magics run out like they
they had a they had a generational run of signing
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talent and now it's like, yeah, you've signed Hypex and Kersey,
we you you've lost it. Whatever.
You had your talent ideas gone. Yeah, game of Legion.
There's one and two. They'll be going into a bracket
with bet Boom and Australis who just consistently, consistently
rubbish. Australia's lost a legacy in the
11 which doesn't sound bad because the legacy as we know
(54:43):
just won an event, but they alsolost to who else they'd lose to
BA in the opening game. Like fuck Australis man.
Yeah, I don't have it in me to talk about them.
Can we talk about Fly Quest being fanatic?
That's nice. That's good.
Yeah, we can all like. Fuck was that?
(55:04):
That was horrible. You're very loud.
Yeah, I don't know if you move closer to your microphone or
what, but you just got twice as loud in my ear.
And oh, sorry. Can you repeat what you said?
Because I was trying to deal with dealing.
I said can we talk about fanaticlosing to fly quest?
(55:26):
That was good, that was nice, that was something we can all
get behind. Blame F dropping a 1.5 and
losing. Always funny.
Pause, right that yes. Funny.
However, for not this is a really difficult toss it right?
Because I wanted Fanatic to lose, sure, but I don't want
Australians to win. Yeah, but you know, the enemy of
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my enemy is not my friend, but they are certainly less of my
enemy than my enemy. And Australians doing one thing
for us where they take revenge on the team that kick the
Englishman there, you know, there is still a little bit of
brotherly, brotherly friendship there.
At least they're still. Loyal.
Exactly. You know what I mean?
There's a little bit of like, you know.
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Oh, I don't, I don't like the English, but you don't mess with
them either. That, you know, only I'm allowed
to be mean to, you know what I mean?
There's a little bit of that, yeah.
I just like to say round swing. Still rubbish.
Round swing. I don't believe in it.
I believed in it for a little while, but I've just seen blame.
Effort +5 can you? And if he was actually that
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impactful, they'd have won the game.
Can you do me a favour? Can you click the eco adjusted
button to see what that's round swing goes down to?
It doesn't change What? Oh, is that not affected?
I don't think anything happened.No, everything else changes.
Well, the only thing that happened is his deaths went up
by warm. No, everything else shouldn't
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change except round swing, so I guess they're not.
They don't allow that to be altered.
But his cast got lower. So there's a there's an agenda
there for somebody. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't
know, Jacasmo 23 kills. Yep.
Really. Good.
Glad we did this. Really good.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, glad we did.
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I know, I know that. I know.
That's really weak analysis. But also, they don't deserve any
more than that. And also.
You want better analysis? Read the deep dive.
Yeah, we have done a lot of analysis on this team.
Can we talk about Liquid as a final point?
Why do we have? To talk?
No, I know, I know. Where the fuck are they at
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genuinely because I don't know anymore.
They were what they always are. You tend to the 12th best team
in the world. Team is they could have like the
12th best team in the world. They have been for like 4 years.
No, but I mean it like are they the 12th best team in the world
now? Why is the leader so?
They have players, but they haveplayers that can shoot people.
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Or are they the 12th best team in the world because they've
actually like sort of rememberedhow to play Counter Strike?
Like because I. Actually are 12 in the world.
I didn't even know they were actually 12 in the world.
They're just always there, like Crystal Palace or a few years
ago. They are sort of a
stereotypical. They're kind of a stereotypical
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Russian team. They've got loads of firepower.
Just sort of no idea what to do with it.
It is really not what I expectedfrom a team with Sui.
He's usually quite good at taking teams with like firepower
and turn them into something good I suppose.
Actually, Game of Legion was kind of the opposite.
Liquish of Science, Senzu. I think mouse like when they
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were kids, they were just firepower.
I think they've become good because they spent so long like
he he did help form them as a team.
And like I was going to say like, oh, do we have to talk
about Siri? Like Siri individually is still
good. Like he that's one of the things
I always like to him. He's individually he was very
good on game Legion. He was, I think he was actually
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like their second highest rated player for like the longest.
Time. He's not a dead weight ideal, is
he? He's not a Carrigan or any.
Kind of. No, he's not.
Normally I think at the start ofliquid he actually.
Kind of was point, but he does have .91 in the last three
months. That's fine.
He does. Yeah, like has.
He dropped off. I think at the start of Liquid
he was really poor because I think he was like still settling
in, yeah. 4.95. I mean, he also is like he isn't
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like I'm not saying he's like a 1.1 player or anything like
that. He's just a bit better than, you
know, the weaker Igls kind of like Alexi B is actually like
kind of talented, but. Oh, that's generous.
He's not. Making no he, he is.
He is. He's just a batting game leader.
Is. That it for this week is there.
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Anything. I think that's kind of kind of
everything. I mean, liquid, liquid are like
fine, they're not going to win this event because they're not
going to win any event because of team liquor.
They've. Always looked Sheree has got
progressively worse over 2 years.
Yeah. In terms of his individual, in
terms of his individual output, he drops by like between .4 to
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.0. For better teams. .04 to .06
each year. Yeah, I mean, I'm not.
His time on Liquid does not count as far as I'm concerned,
because nobody's time on Liquid counts as far as I'm concerned.
There's kind of nothing else to talk about here, gentlemen.
It's bad Nip are bad game Legion.
Are bad. We kind of covered all this.
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Aurora and Heroic are in the twoO bracket.
I mean, what else do you want toknow?
Saw a 21. Therefore, the tournament must
also be bad like. Probably look at the 2O teams.
Not a single one of those as the2O team yeah, I mean that's
that's kind of it. I.
Actually think I actually think,right.
Just no you. Don't.
That's all. You might.
Hit yourself. We, we've, we've made a lot of
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CCT jokes this year. This is the This is the worst
tournament of the year. This is the Birch cup of Birch
cups. There is not a single redeeming
team here. Except for legacy.
Legacy, who I kind of like now abit.
Fucking hell. End the podcast thanks to watch
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everybody's. End the game.
I've been Elliot at AZS, that's Jack at Nova H design.
I'm going to kill you. That's that's Samuel and one
more mocks and one mocks too. Twice.
Everyone else, Charlie and. Charlie, it's things.
James makes thumbnails, I make looses bye.
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Music.
Guys, what is half of 0? I don't do much is.
It still 0. It is, and that's good because
that's how much I've lost this week in the in the knife price
debate. How much have you lost, Jack?
My life was 1200 ish. It's about 5:00 to 6:00 so I've
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I've lost half of the value of the knife.
My Reds have gone up a little bit but not enough to cover the
cost. But it's OK because I don't.
I don't have my entire net worthin skins actually.
I just haven't looked. Yeah, ignorance on the list.
Well, I'm not going to sell my knife anyway.
Like my yeah, my knife isn't real money.
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My knife becomes real money whenI decide to sell it years down
the line or when I get a new one.
Other than that, it's just it's the equivalent of a McDonald's
cheeseburger. I have bought it and already
consumed it. Yeah, I, I think that's a good
way to look at skin spending honestly that it's purchase not,
you know, you're not like investing, right.
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But obviously some people do. And what those people?
While the skin is in my inventory, it it holds 0 value.
It only holds value when I decide to sell it and then it's
worth whatever it's worth. Like, I won't, yeah, I won't
give a fuck how much it's worth at that point, right?
I sold mine a few a few months ago, so I I got very fortunate
this week when Valve decided that you could now trade
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Redskins up to knives in what isI think an absolutely hilarious
update. But of course I'm quite biased
in this. Lots of other people do not
think it's quite so funny. Like that Chinese guy who lost
$900,000 worth in his inventory.Why did you play your whole?
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Why would you put so much money in skins?
I would say that again, maybe it's for tax or because the the
interest on skins is like betterthan most bank accounts or
crypto, I don't really know. But like if that much of your if
if you can't afford to lose that, why is it in skins?
Do you know what I mean? Like at least with stocks or
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crypto and stuff, it it generally is like self governing
to a degree, right? Like the markets tend to be
pretty stable. CS skins are controlled by a
private company who owe you absolutely nothing.
And if they see a way of making more money for whether it's
making Redskins more valuable because there's more Redskins in
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circulation, right? So if they cost more, that's
more transactions for the ultimate money from.
It's made everything more expensive.
Even Blueskins like the cheapest.
The cheapest blueskin before theupdate was what, free P?
Yeah like within a day or two itwas 10 Pi.
Don't know if that's changed butlike it has literally made the
entire market. More, but even then like.
Apart from knives. You'd need what?
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5000 Blueskins. Is it 5000 actually?
Wow, that's. Yeah.
You know, I don't know. We just.
Found look when they go back down to free pay I I will be
doing I will I will buy 5000 Blueskins.
Just trading from the bottom, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, because that just seems like a fun way to spend a
long amount of time. Does it?
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That seems fun to you. Yeah, I'll do it with Dickle and
we'll like drink or something. I mean, that's still £150.
But Dickle Dickle like a genuinely has fun playing cookie
clicker, so it would actually befun for him.
I think I don't know the the bigthing with with this whole skin
debacle is that like skin priceswere getting out of control
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right when you had. Like, oh, they were ridiculous.
I'll leave souvenirs out of it, but like even like it's just
generally the common ish gloves were like 20 K plus.
It's ridiculous. And like I kind of get the feel
that like if you play the game enough to want a knife and you
don't, you you shouldn't have tolike spend like 300 on like a
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battle scarred fucking safari mesh gut knife just to have a
knife because like who the fuck wants that shit right?
I would say making knife is juststupid really because no one, no
one wants them right? But you like gut knives, did you
say? I like gut knives, they look
mean. I had I, I used to have a like a
bunch of slaughter knives and I think I had a gut knife at the
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time as well, but I think back now as well for like my image is
worth less than it was like a long time ago for sure.
I I think I would have been a lot more upset if this happened
back then when I had like 3 or 4knives and.
You know The thing is, is like Isold skins.
I used to have a relatively expensive inventory.
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I've sold it all in like 2122. That inventory would be worth
thousands. Now I've sold it for about £600.
It's the thing running it, but. Like there was like a minware
Quran bit a fact. New AK fuel injector.
There's a couple grand there alone where it's just like, I'm
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not asked because I've already, I've already like effectively
lost money from skins, so who gives a fuck?
And if you do give a fuck, and if you you've spent all this
money on skins instead of something fucking smarter, well,
there's a reason that Darwin became quite famous, isn't
there? Darwin Nunez pseudoscience, I'd
say. Oh yeah.
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I do think though, like, well, like my first knife, I think it
was like 55 LB. I paid for it and it was like
like a shattered dagger stained like somewhat like really ugly
like bottom barrel knife. Do you know what I mean?
But that was like the cheapest knife before.
This was probably in the sort oflike 200 range I think.
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Yeah, they were all. No, is it not?
No, the cheapest knife before this was about £60.
What was it like a Navajo fucking yeah?
Yeah, they weren't nice knives, but like So the last knife I
bought was a gift for our friendLiam.
It's Shadow Daggers Autotronic and they were £150.
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They're now £70 because it came up on Face It last night, but
they were £150. I've got a Kukri Blue Steel, I
think I bought that for 180. So there was still like cheap
knives. It's just that that Korambit
that I owned when I bought it years ago was £150 and it's now,
oh, before the update at least. I think it was like 8-9 hundred
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quid like that was where it got silly.
That was a that was a pair of shotted daggers Ontronic sold on
October 18th for 13 pence brilliant What did what did he
know big runs ago in the rate was around 100 for them at the
time as well. So that's.
Pretty, that's the thing. That's the thing.
By the way, what's your thoughtson the Valve devs that we've
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like a couple of days before theupdate?
I know. Were were stockpiling.
So was that real about? Pursuit up in price.
Was that real? Because I saw that and I
thought, I'm sure somebody said that was not real.
MP 9. Well, OK, again in the stock
market, which is regulated and stuff, that's considered insider
trading, right, which is like big illegal and like you'll get
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you'll get done for it. CS skins hold no monetary value,
right? Because they're just an in game
item and you supposedly can't get the money out of out of the
steam system, right? So obviously that's not true to
anyone who has a fucking brain. But that's kind of how Valve got
around the the issues with it, right?
Some guy on Reddit years ago washaving a divorce and I think he
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put like most of his net worth into skins so so his wife
couldn't get, which I think is awesome.
Elliot's laughing. That's not going to be his
future. Sorry, that's horrible.
I'm kidding. What network?
I'm not married. There's no divorce in the
Philippines, so actually I can't.
But you don't live there mate. Anyway.
Yeah, but we are officially married in the Philippines.
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What, are you not legally married?
Here. Yeah, both.
It's registered in the Philippines as well.
So it means I can't, I can't. We'll always be married in the
Philippines. There's no divorce, right?
Basically. Fair enough.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, sorry, I'm just one of no, this man.
Do you have to be registered in the Philippines or did you
choose to do that? Yeah, you have to, I think.
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That's very interesting, I didn't realize that's how it
works. But not that interesting to you
point mate. The point was, yeah, I mean it.
They definitely shouldn't have done that, but I would have.
Well, this, this is the thing, right?
I would have done it. Not if I'd have heard of.
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If I'd have heard of rumour, I'dhave probably done it.
Yeah. The fact, Yeah, the fact that.
I don't, but I don't work for Valve, Right?
So I kind of feel like if you work for Valve, Valve probably
should punish you for it. Yeah.
Because if I can't bet on games when I know that something funny
is about to happen to a team, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They shouldn't. Generally though.
They shouldn't be able to get rich quick off buying like 150
MP nines that are about to shootup like 1000% in value.
But like none of us here could we technically work on esports.
We should like not bet on anything like I don't I can't, I
won't bet on esports because it's just dangerous freelance.
No, I don't bet. Anyway, it's a bit different,
right, I suppose, but like. I I don't, I don't bother.
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But even like even just for. Fun.
Even just doing it for fun without fright, knowledge or you
know, any of the issues that rise of working with TO's and
stuff, it's still kind of not a good luck, is it?
I don't think. Yeah, I don't.
I mean, I don't bet because I find betting slightly too fun
and I found. That Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19
exactly. Exactly.
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I I actually cannot. Make you miss it better in.
Account with a lot of with a lotof companies like I'm just I'm
not allowed to. I have a have an anecdote that's
sort of vaguely related from this week.
I know a guy sort of breed like vaguely in FIFA, like an
Ultimate Team guy who bought 35,000 cards for 300 coins each
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and he sold them all for like 3K.
He made 100 million coins and sold the coins to a website for
like 4 grand and he's just 4 grand richer because he heard a
rumour that was they were going to go up in price.
Which is basically what a valve employee has just done.
But these guys made 4 grand off it from playing FIFA which I
just think is insane. We will.
We'll. Move on.
(10:38):
Go. On but.
If you make your point. If anyone here did make money
from the update, let us know because I am, I am intruded.
And I do think like in a six months time, if we do a bit of a
retrospective, I think it'll be kind of interesting to see like
how the market regulates. Will my knife have a back to its
previous value? By the dip.
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This is not financial advice. I think it'll.
Be a lot more, but I don't thinkit'll be back to its value.
But I didn't have a crazy overpriced knife.
Like I didn't have one of those fucking like 205050K.
Knife shit knife. Run the intro.
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Speaking of having a dodgy history with skins, let's move
on to Senzu who was cut cut fromNKT few years ago for a little
bit of a little bit of a mishap with some sort of skin.
Is it allegedly? Skin kerfuffle, just for
safety's sake. Well, he came out.
Defending it the other day, didn't he?
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So it was. Because I I only robbed them
because they have to be money. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. He did, he did.
He wasn't paying him and machineguns.
They just like they just did some fraud or something.
Did the OJ Simpson? I didn't do it, but if I did it
would have been. Because I would.
Have anyway he has been benched by the Mongols, shocked in a
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move that seemed to come come toa shock.
It came as a surprise to even the Mongols who were just not at
all prepared for this. And I think what has transpired
is that he's burnt out, I believe was the the official,
not even the official. Some Mongolian journalist said
he was burnt out and had to be asked to be benched.
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So he will not be playing at themain situation.
Well. John Fix just said he's got to
do some personal shit, didn't he?
Like he didn't say anything about burnout.
Yeah, but I. Mean John Fix has just been on
the toilet for months, Jack. Yeah, I've got to say like, like
how what personal shit requires you to be gone for like, you
know, the foreseeable? Like, can't you miss the
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tournament? I mean, maybe his mum died or
something like and he's just like looking after his family, I
don't know. I said I don't have been asked,
but like, it's not time off. They're going to fucking change
that is it. Fucking it.
Well, it's not. Yeah, let's talk about sensory
mate before we go down this one.Are the Mongols just dead now?
No. No, they've still got Mesinia.
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They like they've made weirder Austin moves before and got
better. I know this one's different
because sensors like actually good rather than like
Annihilation who is like not actually good, but like they've
made moves that nobody really understood quite a few times and
eventually figured it out. They'll just like find like they
found Senzu from fucking nowhere.
Like they'll just find that a little.
More funny, though, the last time they made a roster move was
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two years ago. And two years ago.
Prior to that, they'd made a lot.
No, Sure, right. But when they were making those
moves, it was like maybe they didn't make sense.
And every time they'd signed a better player, the Mongols have
had points where they could havemade moves in the last two years
since then. So I think it's maybe quite
telling that they haven't and that especially they haven't got
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a replacement. Well, maybe they're expecting
he'll come back. Yeah, but it does, it does put,
you know, they've been obviouslythey won EWC and they've been
making, you know, deep playoff runs for for most of the year
now, right. So this does put the question
marks around the rest of their season.
Obviously the major is the kind of we're on the road to that
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right now, right? That's what everyone's looking
at, so. Are they going to be like for
the rest of the year? I I would, yeah, probably, yeah,
they might be great, but I don't.
Know they they won't. They will.
Struggle they will. They won't make the playoffs to
the major because, like Senzu's,just their group's age dumper.
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Yeah, I was going to say like they there's a world they get
better on stage, but they were not going to get nearer stage is
kind of the problem. Yeah, but but like the Mongols
have been kind of iffy recently anyway.
From from what? Like.
Hasn't everyone been? Isn't it?
Quite well. Well, yes, I.
Feel like I feel like since theywon EWC they haven't really like
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pushed on from there. Yeah, which is often been their
story. Like they have a good run, OK,
this one they actually won, but they have a good run and then
they just don't really capitalize on it is.
That the nature of being a team that's kind of min maxi and
requires peaks, right? Like like.
Yeah, that, I mean, that's that's totally fair.
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But like, I'm not I'm not sure they were really going to win.
Like I'm not sure they were really a contender anyway.
They were like a contender on a technicality of being the 4th
best team in the world by. Rankings, I say.
They haven't pushed on from there.
They've played free tournaments.One was Fisher Playground too,
which they came second. Yeah.
One was Pro League. Bounty as well, right?
(15:42):
Bounty was before E to BC they came second there.
EPL they were 9th to 11th but I have a feeling something was
wrong with them during that event.
Wasn't someone really ill or some shit?
Seems to be like the EPL curse, right people?
Just yeah. And then fun to pick, they
finished third, which is like that's.
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Kind of a dodgy result, yeah. Well that's a disappointing one
for me because they lost to Navi.
Yeah, yeah. But like Fisher Playground too,
they lost to Fury, so I'm not going to criticize them for
losing to the third best team. Yeah, yeah.
No, of course, but like you. Want fun to pick in the end
Legacy? Fury.
Fury. Yeah.
Legacy, wouldn't they? Yeah.
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Not be in the final. Probably not good good football.
It was good, It was good. Yeah, like Mongols were a very
good team, but I don't think they were going to win the
major. So actually it's almost like if
he comes back refreshed and theycome back at the start of next
year with Senzu in firing form, maybe they can actually make a
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run out next year. I know that's kind of like
coping, but what what other choice do we have here?
Because he's not playing anyway,so we might as well cope.
Yeah, I mean, in an era of like moves not happening because of
sentimentality and shit, right? Which we, you know, we'll get on
to later, I suppose. Maybe this makes sense.
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But the issue is it doesn't seemlike it was a decision by the
all because it it seems like it came abruptly.
This is this is going to sound abit stupid.
OK considering they won E sportsWorld Cup, I don't really think
the Mongols are good enough to win tournaments anyway with or
without Senzu, even if he comes back refreshed like EWC.
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They like they played Aurora in the final.
Have Aurora ever beaten the Mongols?
Maybe they beat them once, I don't know.
But like, OK, they took. Down vitality, yeah.
They they took down vitality that event great but like spirit
got knocked out early. The Mongols don't actually play
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great CS, they just have great aim like.
Great aim. I just aim.
I just think they're like upmarket Aurora and probably
aren't actually good enough to win and that's OK because
they're still the best Asian team of all time.
Aurora yeah, beat them at PJ Lostana 2O that was the last
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time they they beat them. So that was.
Because what? In May, May, right?
Yes it's Dallas Banti, EWC and also Thunder pick so not a great
head to head. Yeah, Mongols.
Mongols we think might just be alittle bit screwed coming into
the major. I, I, I sort of hope Senzu comes
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back and they're, they're stronger.
They maybe they find another, like another one of Bartek's
brothers and just put him in. They find another hard steel man
who knows. Yeah, controllers will be the
stand in. I am Chengdu and presumably the
major as well. Let's have a look.
Unidelge Basenjargle. You rehearsed that that was
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correct. I don't.
Know No, no, no, it's definitelywrong.
I just said it fast enough that it looked like I knew what I
would say. Basenjargle.
It's fucking awesome. Basenjargle is terrific.
I don't know if you guys have looked at this guy's like
numbers. He he's not a tier one player.
No, but this is This is why I don't think anyone in Mongolia
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is good outside of the Mongols players.
There probably is. We just don't.
I'm not sure there is like, but then like a couple of these
teams play, they're not very good.
I suppose, but there's got to besomebody.
There's got to be somebody better than this guy.
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Just please don't subject me to has Tecra again.
He's Mongols, have an Academy team anyway.
I. Thought they do so like just
like pick the best guy. Do you know just get the best
start like score? Back and call it a fucking day,
little Mongols. Move on, move on.
Academy Mongols move. On, move on.
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We'll move on to the sake of theweek.
And guess what? It's another skin related
controversy. Me too, me too Cat.
Me Tao. Me Tao Cat called Stewie Stewie
2K as he's, you know, not known by his friends.
Is he called him a piece of shit?
(20:32):
Not one of his friends then, apparently.
Yeah, not one of his friends. Or maybe this is Maybe it is one
of his friends. Basically this guy lent Stewie
some items and Stewie never paidhim back and the implication is
that Stewie 2K supposedly gambled away the skins that were
he was borrowing and has never paid the guy back.
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I have a lot of questions, but we'll first we'll get onto the
take of the week, which is Thorin.
You know, they're like, you know, Thorin is just such a
goldmine for this, even like youknow, whether or not you like
him or not, he's just a gold mine of take of the week
OverDrive. The famed leaker said that he'd
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always heard bad things about Stewie.
Sometimes good CS career and money belongs to an idiot, which
is true. Thorin just responses.
Why is this the only piece of info you've ever kept to
yourself which you actually can't clap back to that it's one
line. It's one line.
He has killed you like he has just, he's just slaughtered you
(21:40):
there. Like it's one where you actually
just like if he does this to you, you just drop him the like
and the retweet you just you just like you just you just give
up. Have you ever read Overdrums bio
by the way? It's it's just excellent.
Yeah. TV spirit scout, insider, CIS
influencer, generous. One of the best CS players of
all time. Not generally.
(22:04):
Fair enough. What's the best thing of all
time? Who just pays people to carry
him in small land events and. Not this is I'm going to try and
refrain from saying anything that's libelous, but like Bro's
career is just like I found another child who's good at the
game. We never got on that.
But you know, they're not. They're really ever that good.
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I mean that is. A leak, but leaking for the team
you work on just seems really silly.
Unlike. Somebody has to leak it from the
team, yeah. Yeah, sure.
But like being like an insider is sort of like walking in the
prac room and seeing who they'replaying is is not really that I
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don't know. Personally, Jack.
You know, I think detective, but.
His personality is worse, but you know.
But I am not. I'm distancing myself from this
well. Look, allegedly and then it's
fine, right? And then you know what?
Like you, like you've thought ofit, or.
Can we bleep this out? What?
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Can we, can we put it into my head, Jack?
Fuck you. Just said he hangs around with
young people. Can we just beat this all out?
Can we start the take of the? Week No, no, I'll, I'll, I'll
get us back on track. Elliot, right?
I think foreign's great, right? Because foreign's probably being
take of the week more than anyone else.
And it's either because he said something absolutely batshit
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crazy because he's sat someone down so fucking hard like this
that they have no, like, no ability to reply.
This tweet was posted at 4:59 AM.
OverDrive will not be replying. I didn't even notice that.
That's so good. That is so good.
I mean, yeah, I can't talk. I was up at 3:30.
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Yeah. No, I mean, I can't be asked.
I can't be asked to talk about Stewie 2K like.
Gambling other people's skins. Surprise surprise.
Really fucking dumb thing to do.Yeah we got on screen and also
Stewie saying he you won't ever see him gambling again after he
won 104,000 in free spins on whatever.
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See dog shit game that is. This was me after I won a lot of
money on how United beat Southampton in the Carabao Cup
final years and years ago. And then I decided, hmm, I like
this too much and stopped betting.
Yeah. I should have taken the hint
when the first bet I ever put onwas I think it was Liverpool to
beat Arsenal or vice versa and whoever I bet on was 4 nil down
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at half time. That was the literal first bet I
ever put on. I should have taken the hint.
Well, I I learnt many lessons. Never bet on the early kickoff.
It's a very important. Yeah, yeah, that that was also
an early kickoff, yeah. Thank thanks Baggies for beating
Arsenal and teach me that, but the point it got worrying for me
was when I bet on the amount of throw insurance in a game.
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Yeah, not my mate. My mates at the London Major
were betting on was it bomb plants or grenade damage or
something and it was like they were just, they were just doing
it for for a laugh. They already put it on like 10
Pi think they were doing 10P bets with each other just for a
laugh. But the the problem is I would
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find that fun if I really got I I was betting on League of
Legends for a bit and then I waslike, I don't even like League
of Legends. Why am I doing this?
Yeah, I still you made a lot of money, right?
You won a major. Yeah, you won a on slum, you
know, and also been paid very well.
You'd hope, right? So.
However, he was at EG. Sorry, I need to say something
(25:39):
because I feel like it's important to say if any betting
companies would like to sponsor.TLDR yes, we'll ignore
everything I've just said and start betting again happily.
And I'll do it only for your service and advertise you very
well. Likewise.
Please, we, we just talked abouthow much fun betting is.
Yeah, betting, just as long as you do, as long as you do it
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responsibly. Thanks to our sponsor.
When the fun stops, stop. Not to ask one stop anyway.
Rage Shadow Legends run the ad. Anyway, yeah, this guy's got a
lot of, had a lot of money at one point, so the fact he's
borrowing money to gamble with is alarming and I hope he gets
the help he needs. And that's kind of all I have to
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say about it. You're a fucking.
No honestly, like go fuck yourself.
Me. No, not you.
Yes, yeah, yeah, you, but also, but also you.
No, just like like me and Elliotare both sat here being like, Oh
yeah, we realized it was too funso we stopped.
Like as someone, you know, with a bit of a shady history when it
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comes to various addictions, like you can just stop.
So this whole like getting the help.
Yeah, you go fuck yourself. Because like, I didn't get help.
I just stopped one day, you knowwhat I mean?
Like I've just got. I've just got no time for it.
How clearly? How do you got in counter
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Strike? Stopped.
That's not addiction, that's just an abusive relationship.
But oh, OK. Yeah, that's stock.
That's different. OK.
No, but I don't think Counter Strike is the same.
Football Manager. We can talk about that.
But no, I'm that's not what the fuss is about.
I'm allowed to have an addition to Football Manager because it
literally got me a job at Football Manager for a bit.
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My interview, it's just me. Strike also.
Well, yes, but fool. Yeah, but but Sam's also working
at the show. But on the topic of gambling
being fun, it does seem a lot more fun if you're gambling
someone else's money, doesn't it?
Because you can't. Lose.
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Like, hey, hey, she's 30K OK, all in on green.
Oh, it's gone. Well, I don't care.
And if they went, if I won, I may set for life.
Brilliant. I'd just like to to go to the
sub tweet that's on the screen right now where he's just
talking about the like millions that Stewie has or whatever and
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the EG salary, which if I remember right, it was about 50
KA month right I. Think it was 40.
That's silly, right? Not not that that really should
make any difference. How quickly after that money
would hit his bank account each month do you reckon it took him
to gamble it away? Well, let's just do a little
experiment, right? Let's say his rent was 2K.
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And that's me being generous, right?
Because he lives in a nice apartment, OK, 2K rent.
I'm going to say 1K for bills and food and shit.
So it's 3K he's spending just tolive, right?
Tax is going to be like. Taxes are not real, let's just
say the salaries after tax as well just for for the Peace of
Mind. OK so what's he got?
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37 K left. Yeah.
That's gone in, in in a night. Not a.
Chance, man, that does sound good, don't it?
That does sound fun, actually. Do you know what I take back my
previous sentiment, Stewie? Fucking go for it, my son.
At least get it all gone. At least do it in.
Vegas not on fucking CS GO lounge.
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No scam some more cunts and get it all fucking gone.
Like I, I want to be doing it inVegas.
I want to be playing. Poker.
Imagine Elliot Blackjack thinking about this.
Right, right. Imagine if he'd get drunk, these
Redskins. Think about how much money you'd
have now. We missed you, but think about
how much money I'd have if I like if I got pocket aces in
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Vegas. And if you, you know, didn't
have to spend money on having a child and a mortgage and
whatnot. Well, yeah, yeah, we're ignoring
if we're ignoring tax or I'm ignoring my mortgage.
Not the child, though I'm glad you didn't.
You didn't, you know. Yeah, I'll keep the kid.
He's coming with me to Vegas. He's card counting.
He's going to help get bitches. He's rain, baby.
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That's good. That's really good.
Anyways, we actually we actuallydo have to do an outbreak and it
is by Ray Cello Legends from the.
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
counter strike? I do, I took a weekend off and I
(30:18):
came back to six new IGL's, 3 retirements and apparently now
these water boy got picked up bya top 20 team.
Right, that's why I've been relying on the TLDR newsletter.
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it happened. TLDR you don't have time to read
everything, you still want to sound like you did.
Great shadow legends. I'll make organizers.
I wish, I wish we had. I wish we had outtakes at the
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end. Put it in.
Put it in editor. Editor No.
Jesus, Charlie can just like start again with I'll make orc
noise no contact. What else has happened this
week, friends? I don't know, why don't we talk
about? That let's talk about somebody
who doesn't have a dodgy historywith skins and it's just very,
very unfortunate. We'll get onto that story in a
little bit. This one is on Cypher.
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Cypher, as we all know, was benched.
By the Nati pastor. Friend of Shore, Why not?
He was benched by friend of the podcast fanatic after qualifying
for for the major. And then he said friend of the
podcast the major. Yeah.
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And he had it confirmed to him that he was not playing at the
major because they they fanatic did try and claim that was up
for the debate, which I'm prettysure Sam called bullshit on last
week. Well, it was a fanatic.
Fanatic put out a video explaining why, and they
basically said the debate was between Jacasmo and Cipher or
Jacasmo and Crimes, because as we all know, Cipher and Crimes
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play in very, very similar ways.So that makes perfect sense.
It's just fucking mental and it that, no, it actually is mental
for exactly the reason you just said.
Like Jacasmo and crimes you can make into the same player.
Neither one of them can do what Cipher can do.
And it's like, look, we all know.
We've all read the deep dive, and if you haven't, go read it.
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But Saiful wasn't exceptional. I'm fanatic, but he had the
capability to be exceptional. The Crimson fan, I agree.
It's not a backhanded blame F who called him one of the best
antifrag as a Tier 2 which is sobackhanded.
But but also like, this is the thing as well, right?
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Jakaj was not even that good, like being adamant he's running
the team. Why don't we make room for him?
And there's like, it's it's not like Nork and device, right?
You get it? Nork was like, yeah, fuck me, I
guess. Fair enough.
Yeah. This is just like him, really.
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That's what we've got. And then fear and Jammu are just
like, I don't know, oops and another one go.
On do a Ukrainian accent. I don't know, while they're at
war. Go on, mock them.
Mock them, you piece of shit. What?
Go on then, they're at war. I think I'd know about that
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anyway. As a card carrying member of the
Kremlin, I'd know about it. If there was a war going on in
Ukraine, I'm pretty sure I know Mike as long.
As yeah but somebody would have like a flag in their bio or.
Something Jeffrey Epstein the New York you.
Are going to Josh, I hope you know you are getting poisoned
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for this. Like I I've said some
potentially libelous shit. I ain't saying this.
No, I'm not. I'm very aware there is a war
going on. Yeah, yeah.
No, of course I'm a whit. I'm in character as Jumbo or or.
Who was it that the line, that was it.
Was it next? One of the Russian players said.
It was going to say, I think Ukrainian Jambo is probably
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quite aware there's a war going on in.
Ukraine, I've not been there. I I can't comment.
We'll ask, we'll ask, we'll ask Putin.
I'm sure he'll have a good answer for us.
So we are, aren't we? A-Team at war?
A-Team at war with themselves. Oh, that, that's politically
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charged. Basically all of Counter Strike
at this point. Yeah, because.
Everyone thinks they're cunts for this.
Yeah, this is like. Apart from messios.
Fucked off your fan base by, youknow, going killing Sweden or
whatever they did, which seemed necessary at the time and
probably still is now. Sweden's not in a great spot, is
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it? But this is.
Unlike Ukraine, which is doing brilliantly.
Encounter. Strike.
Encounter Strike. Yeah, Encounter.
Yeah, it's. Going so well for now.
It's just not good, is it? It's just not a good move, both
on paper and and from a from like what's the word OPS Optics.
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Optics, that's the word. Yes, Fanatic are indeed ciphers
OPS. Yes, the off them, it ain't
good, is it? It ain't good and I just don't.
Think it's podcast no? No.
Sorry, sorry you. Sorry.
Remind me what you said about OverDrive for absolutely no
reason like 5 minutes ago, Jack?You fight it.
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I just need to. I didn't fly.
That's all. You did live.
Without saying anything libelous, he's like to look at
kids. Yes, their stats and their face
it performance. And their faces.
That's obvious. Face it.com.
Subscribe probably. I don't know.
This is a bad move, and there's been more bad moves as well.
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Yeah, no, this, this is actually.
This is some good ones as well. But I mean, yeah, like this, it
hasn't. Like it doesn't look like a good
move, as you say, like there's no reason to blow your team up.
For Giacasmo of all players, it's it's almost impressive to
like, take a team with three passion, UA players, a team that
everybody liked. Crim's a player who everyone
likes and we want to talk about blame there, but like, it's
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important that you've taken those four and made into into a
team that nobody likes so you'veyou've killed all goodwill
because. It's like everyone dislikes them
now but no one particularly likes them before.
But. The only no but everyone kind of
the old crime is. Rooting for them like oh, I'd
like to see if an act do good again, no.
But you were like quietly rooting for the org.
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You weren't quietly rooting for the fanatic team.
It's not like Nick, where you look at the team.
It's like, I actually like the players here.
It's like, I mean. Everyone likes crims though.
Yeah, he's a likable. Man, yeah, I think.
He's a Viking. It's a yeah.
It's a shame about him being bold, but he's generally fine.
It's aspirational though, isn't it?
Like he, sorry, no, inspirational.
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I mean, like, he's bold, but he hasn't let it held him back.
Maybe, maybe they had to check Sandra cows where to fix the
good. I think society should hold bold
people back. I'm just not kidding.
I refuse to shout out Eden Inya how the moves this week.
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Where are they? Where are they?
Other moves Other moves I was I was held at held at fictional
gunpoint by Sam to put in RIP Lumi.
Lumi's dead, I'm winning. Decipher.
Look mate, I love you but I don't care anymore because Lumi
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is gone. They're also without plop scheme
which they're also without plopskey like they really have like
the the OPS really are down. But that pop, you're like, oh,
I'm without gonorrhea, you know what I mean?
It's like, that's good. That's a good thing, right?
Hang on. Hang on, actually, because this
I'm without gonorrhea, the shirts say I'm with stupidity or
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with an arrow to your significant other.
This is I'm without gonorrhea. Movies really bad.
Is he better or worse than that?Gonna read?
Debate, The thing is. I think he's worse.
Is players seem to break him, Swedish players like he's like a
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pug star. They were like, oh, he's
actually really he's actually really good.
Oh, he's. So smart and he's.
I just don't. Think he can really throw a
flash bang? Yeah and you buy him an ARP
every round and he fucking dies.Fuck off like. 45700 and 50
you're allowed. To be a support Orpo if you're
like prime fallen or like you'resomeone that clutches a lot.
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Lumi didn't yeah kill anything. Which NOK?
Does actually. Yeah, yeah.
Lucy is a good clutch player. Yeah.
Genuine Noch is good. Noch is just kind of good.
He's not as good as I thought hecould be like a while ago, but.
He's a lot worse now than he was.
He's not. He's not that great now.
He's not gonorrhea. No like Lumi versus fucking
Kersey is a toss up for genuinely the the worst opera of
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all time. Coughing baby this hydrogen.
Bomb. I mean, not the worst of all
time. Smiths was an actual opera at
one point. All terrorists.
Smiths is better than both of them.
Yeah, Ben Fox. That's for sure.
Dead Fox also better than them. A literal dead fox might do
better. Oh no, Woody.
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Also better genuinely no no, no,no, no, no no no no no no looney
play. You are correct, but I have
since didn't play and I've refused to play.
Did you? Call it play.
Woody is third. Woody is third.
He's won the 3rd place. He's won the 3rd place decide.
Kersey and Lumi are still battling it out in the finals.
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You. Can't.
There's no way there's a worse player than Woody.
This is from Honestly Lumi is soterrible.
Is this is this O? Is this only auppers?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has Advent ever Aupp because
he's actually the worst player ever.
It's not like he's. Just gonna be on the game today.
Really. Ever.
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Advent his highest like his career highest rating in a year
is nought .96. He played in Asia his entire
career and never averaged over awarm.
That's fucking awesome. That's gang.
He didn't give a fuck. He didn't try.
Want to try? Can you search dragon for me on
HLTV? Dragon.
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D9 Is that something before we started?
That yeah, he's going on loan tothem.
It's the part. He's going on Dragon Bosque, the
second one. Yeah, he's going to them, isn't
he? I saw that.
So he's going. Pretty funny that Meta Sport
were like insulting Serbia like last week and now they've signed
the Serbia. Yeah, that is good, isn't it?
Yeah. Yeah, they're going to.
They're just going to sign him on loan and not play him as
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punishment. He's taking him as a political.
Prince How can Dragon be Serbianif he's older than Serbia?
Find out next week on Overtime on Maps.
Overtime on the Kremlin we got acouple of other moves and and
yeah, Jack needs to be out of here soon.
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So yeah, Dragon Dragon is standing in for Plops key, Nork
is coming in for Lumi or Gonorrhea depending on how you
see it. How your back is it?
Metis Sport probably just got better, if I had to guess.
But Plotsky just just the caveat, he's expected to come
back. He's just having a.
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Break for business? Yeah, he's probably, you know,
there are some diseases you can't get rid of.
I think you may be. Go on the Metis Sport team,
Charlie. Hang on.
Because I feel like it was either plush, teal or paleo.
Actually I think. Jaquin Yeah, it was one of them.
Jaquinho, according to Liquopaedia.
Yeah, I I also think that. Anyway, this seems pretty dead,
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so it don't really matter. Like this seems like a dead.
Man on that, supposedly he was like 13 and like 4-5 K or
something. He's like kind of preposterously
good and face it. Well, it can't be any worse than
Nilo. Yeah, Nilo was a let down.
He was so. Terrible as it happened, he's
just kind of bad. Yeah, I mean, listen, Heroica
just either like really good or really bad and there's just,
(43:27):
they're never OK. I would say very anyway.
Let's move on a couple of other smaller moves.
We don't really have to talk toomuch about these fly quests have
brought back as a as a coach, I'd just like to note that when
as a was on sprout as an in gameleader, they basically said he
didn't know what he was talking about.
And he's now fly quest coach. Yeah.
Apparently he's changed around aload of positions.
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I actually do just just very quickly want to say one thing on
fly quest. Why is bringing back You don't
have to respond to this. Why is bringing back JKS made
Netic fucking awful? Because he looked pretty good
before and now he's shit. Continue.
Sorry, just wanted to put that out.
Into the world. Just a thought starter, I like
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it. Speaking of people who are shit
now, Cold 0 has been kicked by Odic pseudoscience Hobbit or I
knew I knew he was always bad. He's apparently joined Knox
Clan, which is a team that, as far as I could tell, barely
exists. I think there's something about
them playing in Serie B in that tweet Which?
I like how their sponsor is overclock general gaming jargon.
(44:34):
I like they've also just got they've got all his
achievements, but obviously noneof them are from like the twenty
20s. They're they're ancient.
The over clock is just a commenton on cold 0 being you know that
like washed around he's over thehill past it.
Yeah, Ben Vindo. Ben Vindo the the final one I've
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got on my list is Kaze for some reason to pick up a player
coach, which as we've all decided before, this doesn't
make any sense. But like, it's Asia.
Like Asian Counter Strike doesn't make sense.
Also not the IGL, which makes itmake even less sense.
Yes, he's basically just a second caller and they can't
afford a coach. But is that?
No, they have a. Coach.
They have a coach, he's their assistant, something.
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I don't know what it means. I can't find Nobody knows what
it means, but it's provocative. No, no, no.
As it means he can talk in timeouts but then.
Everybody doesn't make sense. It's even more mental than that,
right? So Karzai wasn't on the team.
Their assistant coach was playing, they benched their
assistant coach, brought back Karzai, and he's now the
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assistant coach and the author. I love Asian gallants so much.
And some are still the IGL. What the fuck is going on?
This looks like a fucking ESCA open roster.
Honestly that kind of shit. I don't.
Get it? No fuck bring like justice.
For child Kane, get him off thatteam, get him on a good team.
Well, it's close goal, but Chinese.
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Anyway, for last thing for the day, because as we say, we have
14 minutes to get this done PGL.Quite a week wasn't it PGL.
Anyone anyone Anyone got any thoughts on PGL?
It's surely the Battle of Mid, isn't it?
Absolutely wank tournament organiser should hire a press
manager and realise that if you go.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, don't get interviews.
Nobody cares regardless. Well, let 100 journalists go to
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an event and then not give anyone interviews.
And I won't say shit to no more.No more journalists, anyway.
There's things. We should have been a common
artist for that. I could have made a move and
they've lost every game. Nip probably meant to do well as
you go first without their coachand they've been bad.
Am I? Right.
And not a journalist. Aurora, okay.
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Actually, no, Jack, I need to cut you off.
I need to cut you off. There was a comment last week to
say about how none of us ever say shit about the Saudis.
And while I'm not going to use this an opportunity to say shit
about the Saudis, I will say they do have journalists.
Right, thanks. Just didn't that just Jack?
Oh, don't talk about Ukraine. No, I was talking about
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journalists. Yeah, I know, but like how does
that help for? Anyway, it's a, it's a stinky
fucking tournament to begin with.
And certainly they get like no one who's meant to win stuff is
winning anything. It's just like, it's actually
just like it's just gross. I just, I just, I've had it on
all week as well. I had it on yesterday and today,
two days. I don't care.
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I just, I just, I just cannot care.
I cannot. I can't depend on the care.
At the start of this event, who would you say is the favorite
for it? Because I've watched enough
couch. I don't know that Aurora is not
the favorite like Aurora cannot.Be the favorite.
Yeah, it's liquid or 3D Max, isn't it?
Oh God, and. At that point, it's like, why
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are we here? What are we doing?
Gentle mates, I don't know. How you've got a fanatic MLBR
game and Owen 2 is really funny.Why am I?
Why are Nick gentle mates? Why are they here?
I mean, NEP just have really notgot the ball rolling at all.
I, I maybe existed everything, I'm going to blame Daniel.
Let's have a look. Let's, let's, let's actually
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talk about NIP then, because we've all been fans of NIP.
We all like NIP. We like this.
Right. I wouldn't call myself a fan.
I like Snappy. I would.
I like them all. I like wrinkle and I like shush
and I like you jerks, but they're kind of bad.
They're just, they're just kind of out you can see on screen.
Wrinkles really not had at the tournament.
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He's really just not I. Don't think it's.
Fair. That is a problem because he's
kind of their best player he's been.
Pretty decent all year, but like, yeah, he's not.
They're not doing well at this event and gentlemates.
Well, I hope this is just their actual level.
Is I'm telling you, I've been telling you for weeks, I can't I
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I refuse to believe that they'reactually any good.
Look at these players. Look at them.
None of them are good. I do not care that they speak
the same language other they're all.
Crap. You can't run from you can't run
from the the God of hands. You will get out of shock by
anyone good The The thing is. Right.
You've David G on your team. If the Mongols are an upmarket
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Aurora, then gentle mates are the shit that got left behind at
the food bank. No, no, gentle mates are the are
the bad 3D Max They're ALDI 3D Max.
Respect ALDI. Yeah, I do respect ALDI.
Sorry, you're right. They're they're the long dish.
They're the longest 3D Max. Nisa Londes, Nisa local premier.
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They're one, They're one of them.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, they are. They're called Corner Shop 3D
Max. 3D Max, you just said wouldbe one of the favourites.
They beat saw and then they lostout to B8B8.
Like somehow go 2O in every Swiss stage and they're just,
they always like tooth, always bottle it.
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Yeah. They're just, yeah, like, like
they're obviously pretty OK, butI never really have them on my
list to be good to do well. I don't mind.
I think BAR are actually half decent.
They're like weirdly consistent.They're like consistently like a
2-3 team. Whereas like I'm sick of seeing
(50:20):
pain. I'm just, I'm just sick of just
sick of pain. No, it's kind of how I feel
about B8 honestly. Like if B8 don't push past the
level that they're at in 2026, like the first half of 2026,
like we should just cease them from being a team.
Sure, sure, but B8 don't even like B8 don't seem to have any
(50:41):
like delusions of grandeur. They don't.
They don't ever even try and break into.
Playoffs I understand about B8 though, he's like they just.
They seem to have the same fightthey seem.
To be events. Yeah, and they've they don't
seem to ever make a roster movie.
The last one they got rid of Captain Kirk, which was a real
shame. But like, Essential has been
there like forever and I've I'venever seen him do anything.
(51:06):
No, he's actually he's only beenthere under two years.
No, I disagree. Two years?
No, that can't be correct. I just disagree.
Is that correct? What the fuck I don't.
Care if it's been on the team the longest.
Nipple's been there for ages, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, He went straight from NEP to that, didn't he?
And who the fuck was on the teamwhen Nipple joined?
(51:27):
Captain Kirk. Wrinkle.
No. There's wrinkle on the other
one. What you call me?
No, Alex. Alex 666 was there and he left.
The the players like I'm so. Bored of I think nipple might
(51:48):
have joined in Alex 666 place Soit was wrinkle Captain Kirk.
Damka No, I told you it was wrinkle.
Owner. Yeah, owner was one of them, and
they can't even see who the fifth player is.
John Cena Anyway, B8B8 versus Payne hamster.
(52:10):
Hamster with an app, not a hamster.
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, infamous, infamous
player Hamster. But yeah, like I don't B8 and
Payne in A20 games like one of these is fraudulently going
three and oh, and they don't care if that's like unfair
because they've played well at this event and they're actually
are pay. I I I hate pain because they no,
(52:33):
I wanted to I wanted to like them for so long, but they
always let you down. They will always let you down.
They will never they might get to a playoffs, but they won't
they won't ever beat anyone in those players.
And if they do beat somebody good, they'll lose against
somebody bad next time. They they will just let you down
every single time. Just I'm sick.
(52:53):
I'm sick of them because I like them for so long.
I've got a point about let downs.
Kept letting me down go. On fucking Jacob and Hypex, what
were they doing on Apogee to convince game Legion and Face to
sign them? Because they are both.
Hyposers. Really.
He's not He's. Not cursely, is he?
But he's not. Being no, he's not cursely bad,
but like he's yeah, he's not he's not great.
(53:16):
You've got the best girl in the game.
No, I'm sorry if you're being put to the sword by fucking
sword. Yeah, Speaking of teams with
absolutely no firepower, like Yeah, Saw.
Aragorn, What a fucking name. Yeah, that's awesome.
Saw just like a depressing team to haven't.
(53:37):
I don't mean that disrespectfully like because I I
fucked with Saw when they were good, but they just lost all of
their players and now they're just like a really bad like
they're like a bad tribute. Yeah.
This is yeah, yeah. Like Towson was doing this
(53:58):
series and he's generally not very good either.
Rez like was like. The only one that's playing well
consistently at the moment. I swear like he's.
Making. A.
Good one. Fucking wank.
Yeah, Game of Agent, I think I just kind of yeah, the magics
run out. The magics run out like they
they had a they had a generational run of signing
(54:20):
talent and now it's like, yeah, you've signed Hypex and Kersey,
we you you've lost it. Whatever.
You had your talent ideas gone. Yeah, game of Legion.
There's one and two. They'll be going into a bracket
with bet Boom and Australis who just consistently, consistently
rubbish. Australia's lost a legacy in the
11 which doesn't sound bad because the legacy as we know
(54:43):
just won an event, but they alsolost to who else they'd lose to
BA in the opening game. Like fuck Australis man.
Yeah, I don't have it in me to talk about them.
Can we talk about Fly Quest being fanatic?
That's nice. That's good.
Yeah, we can all like. Fuck was that?
(55:04):
That was horrible. You're very loud.
Yeah, I don't know if you move closer to your microphone or
what, but you just got twice as loud in my ear.
And oh, sorry. Can you repeat what you said?
Because I was trying to deal with dealing.
I said can we talk about fanaticlosing to fly quest?
(55:26):
That was good, that was nice, that was something we can all
get behind. Blame F dropping a 1.5 and
losing. Always funny.
Pause, right that yes. Funny.
However, for not this is a really difficult toss it right?
Because I wanted Fanatic to lose, sure, but I don't want
Australians to win. Yeah, but you know, the enemy of
(55:51):
my enemy is not my friend, but they are certainly less of my
enemy than my enemy. And Australians doing one thing
for us where they take revenge on the team that kick the
Englishman there, you know, there is still a little bit of
brotherly, brotherly friendship there.
At least they're still. Loyal.
Exactly. You know what I mean?
There's a little bit of like, you know.
(56:11):
Oh, I don't, I don't like the English, but you don't mess with
them either. That, you know, only I'm allowed
to be mean to, you know what I mean?
There's a little bit of that, yeah.
I just like to say round swing. Still rubbish.
Round swing. I don't believe in it.
I believed in it for a little while, but I've just seen blame.
Effort +5 can you? And if he was actually that
(56:34):
impactful, they'd have won the game.
Can you do me a favour? Can you click the eco adjusted
button to see what that's round swing goes down to?
It doesn't change What? Oh, is that not affected?
I don't think anything happened.No, everything else changes.
Well, the only thing that happened is his deaths went up
by warm. No, everything else shouldn't
(56:55):
change except round swing, so I guess they're not.
They don't allow that to be altered.
But his cast got lower. So there's a there's an agenda
there for somebody. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't
know, Jacasmo 23 kills. Yep.
Really. Good.
Glad we did this. Really good.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, glad we did.
(57:17):
I know, I know that. I know.
That's really weak analysis. But also, they don't deserve any
more than that. And also.
You want better analysis? Read the deep dive.
Yeah, we have done a lot of analysis on this team.
Can we talk about Liquid as a final point?
Why do we have? To talk?
No, I know, I know. Where the fuck are they at
(57:38):
genuinely because I don't know anymore.
They were what they always are. You tend to the 12th best team
in the world. Team is they could have like the
12th best team in the world. They have been for like 4 years.
No, but I mean it like are they the 12th best team in the world
now? Why is the leader so?
They have players, but they haveplayers that can shoot people.
(58:02):
Or are they the 12th best team in the world because they've
actually like sort of rememberedhow to play Counter Strike?
Like because I. Actually are 12 in the world.
I didn't even know they were actually 12 in the world.
They're just always there, like Crystal Palace or a few years
ago. They are sort of a
stereotypical. They're kind of a stereotypical
(58:23):
Russian team. They've got loads of firepower.
Just sort of no idea what to do with it.
It is really not what I expectedfrom a team with Sui.
He's usually quite good at taking teams with like firepower
and turn them into something good I suppose.
Actually, Game of Legion was kind of the opposite.
Liquish of Science, Senzu. I think mouse like when they
(58:43):
were kids, they were just firepower.
I think they've become good because they spent so long like
he he did help form them as a team.
And like I was going to say like, oh, do we have to talk
about Siri? Like Siri individually is still
good. Like he that's one of the things
I always like to him. He's individually he was very
good on game Legion. He was, I think he was actually
(59:05):
like their second highest rated player for like the longest.
Time. He's not a dead weight ideal, is
he? He's not a Carrigan or any.
Kind of. No, he's not.
Normally I think at the start ofliquid he actually.
Kind of was point, but he does have .91 in the last three
months. That's fine.
He does. Yeah, like has.
He dropped off. I think at the start of Liquid
he was really poor because I think he was like still settling
in, yeah. 4.95. I mean, he also is like he isn't
(59:28):
like I'm not saying he's like a 1.1 player or anything like
that. He's just a bit better than, you
know, the weaker Igls kind of like Alexi B is actually like
kind of talented, but. Oh, that's generous.
He's not. Making no he, he is.
He is. He's just a batting game leader.
Is. That it for this week is there.
(59:48):
Anything. I think that's kind of kind of
everything. I mean, liquid, liquid are like
fine, they're not going to win this event because they're not
going to win any event because of team liquor.
They've. Always looked Sheree has got
progressively worse over 2 years.
Yeah. In terms of his individual, in
terms of his individual output, he drops by like between .4 to
(01:00:11):
.0. For better teams. .04 to .06
each year. Yeah, I mean, I'm not.
His time on Liquid does not count as far as I'm concerned,
because nobody's time on Liquid counts as far as I'm concerned.
There's kind of nothing else to talk about here, gentlemen.
It's bad Nip are bad game Legion.
Are bad. We kind of covered all this.
(01:00:32):
Aurora and Heroic are in the twoO bracket.
I mean, what else do you want toknow?
Saw a 21. Therefore, the tournament must
also be bad like. Probably look at the 2O teams.
Not a single one of those as the2O team yeah, I mean that's
that's kind of it. I.
Actually think I actually think,right.
Just no you. Don't.
That's all. You might.
Hit yourself. We, we've, we've made a lot of
(01:00:52):
CCT jokes this year. This is the This is the worst
tournament of the year. This is the Birch cup of Birch
cups. There is not a single redeeming
team here. Except for legacy.
Legacy, who I kind of like now abit.
Fucking hell. End the podcast thanks to watch
(01:01:13):
everybody's. End the game.
I've been Elliot at AZS, that's Jack at Nova H design.
I'm going to kill you. That's that's Samuel and one
more mocks and one mocks too. Twice.
Everyone else, Charlie and. Charlie, it's things.
James makes thumbnails, I make looses bye.
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