"Molodoy is a better AWPer than ZywOo", the WORST roster moves ever, and should Falcons bench TeSeS?
November 19, 2025 • 66 mins
On this week's episode of Overtime on Inferno our hosts decide to circumvent the slow news week by playing a brand new game invented by the geniuses at tldr, "Go DaZeD or no DaZeD?".
Aside from guessing what schizo tweets are real or not, the boys also get to analysing the BLAST Rivals Hong Kong Grand Final. The conclusion? TeSeS might need to visit a job centre soon...
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00:00 Intro - Worst roster moves ever
04:47 BLAST Rivals S2 post-tournament review: FURIA
23:45 BLAST Rivals S2 post-tournament review: Falcons
38:23 Go Dazed or No Dazed?
45:21 PGL CEO Drama
50:55 Messioso joins 100 Thieves
54:06 OG confirm cadiaN signing
1:00:50 CYPHER joins 500 on loan
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(00:00):
Molla Deuter, Furia has proven to be one of the best moves
maybe of all time in Counter Strike, but I'm here to talk to
you and ask what is the worst roster move in Counter Strike
history? Device to NIPI.
Mean who's that worst for deviceor NIPI?
(00:25):
Yeah, well, good to hear. Probably, but it it could have
been everything. It could have been awesome.
It could have made never a serious threat.
And I just don't think Koreas have recovered since You can,
you can, you can notice all you want, but I, I, I do think that
had it worked out how they got brought on a little bit earlier
(00:46):
as well, that team could have been really, really good.
And we'll ever, we'll ever get to see it because, because it
died. I do feel like the real answer
is probably putting every move cloud 9 made for about 18 months
after winning the major onto a dart board and just throwing a
(01:07):
dart at it and seeing where you land.
Vanessa. Because no.
But there's so many though. Yeah, there is, There are, there
are some horrendous. A little bit like like liquid
kind of in the last, like when they first lost a Liege, the
sort perhaps. You read my era.
They were interesting. Brain waking liquid shocks.
(01:28):
Liquid shocks is bad. Really.
Bad You want to have a low key bad one that really flies under
the radar? When outsiders won the major and
then cut Norbert for Chiron, like yeah they were OK.
You you can say though they didn't deserve to win the major.
They were like 5th or 6th in theworld and they cut like Norbert
(01:48):
for Chiron and were just rough fish.
And Norbert did have a pretty good major as well, which is.
Yeah, hear me out. It's a good point.
I'm. Hearing.
Phase signing Jacob. It's not been good.
It has not been good. What about phase signing Beema?
So that was pretty. Good phase signing Cold zero I
think. Oh, Phase Cold 0.
(02:10):
Yeah. That that sucks a major there.
Complexity. Cold zero.
Also bad. Yeah, Complexity.
JKS Complexity. Poison where they just threw him
under a bus and said he didn't practice or paying him.
Wow I I paying him that? Fortune.
His yeah, I think, you know, he did 'cause that himself by not
(02:32):
practicing. Fanatic to Cosmo.
Oh. Topical downfall.
Very topical fanatic. Yes.
There is a correct answer to this, and that is I think this
week it was confirmed Boros has gone back to Gigi Howe.
And this isn't necessarily the worst move to Gigi Howe,
(02:52):
although it's probably not ideal.
It's a terrible move for Boros, who not long ago bought himself
out of his contract to Gigi Howeand has now crawled back to them
with his tail between his legs. He pulled.
That out, whatever he had left from his his Falcons money went
into this buyout. No, Jack.
(03:15):
OK, maybe not every lad. That went on luckers long ago.
Like let's not fuck about it. I was going to say what he
earned from Falcons Falcons is adrop in the ocean.
Like like he could use 1% of hisFalcons money and that would be
that would buy him out of this contract 40 times.
But like, do you think Gigi Howard buying it much?
(03:37):
Well, he went to Falcons, but hewent to Falcons after the Paris
Major. He probably was on an OK amount.
He'd have been on money. Yeah, yeah, but he was meant to
be like. It's more the fact that he's
shit though. Oh, he's fucking wank.
Oh, he is terrible. Because he was a Monty.
He was a Monty. Wasn't he a Paris right?
(03:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
He's. Already signed bro to replace.
Freaky team was wrong. They signed bro to replace a low
key pretty good. Yeah, this is the like the worst
move all time from a player perspective.
I've never seen anything like this.
This is amazing. He has he has spent money to to
(04:19):
take a time off. It's like having a player
manager career on in FIFA, Yeah.And this is the kind of jamming
you do for yourself. It's awful.
Awesome. Yeah, Well, well, I teased it in
the intro a little bit with, youknow, that's enough about Boris,
to be quite honest. I want to talk about Gigi
however again. So we'll go back to one of the
(04:49):
best Russ moves all time. We'll talk about what happened
at Blast Rivals in Hong Kong. Chef Lapcock.
Is Moladoy, Where do you put Moladoy in terms of best players
in the world? Now he's.
Definitely Rookie of the year. He's definitely rookie of the
year and he's almost certainly the 4th best offer in the world.
(05:17):
Question mark like he's I'm. Going to do it from my head.
He's. Very.
He's very. Close, I think.
I don't. I don't spoil anything.
OK, Jack, Jack, Jack, wait. Go ahead.
Do opera first. Where do you put him in operas
and then do players? OK, so round about in the script
(05:40):
I'm writing, I do say he's the second best Orpa whose name is
tighter than them, but he keeps beating that of a guy, which he
does so kind of better than Monosy.
That might also be because he literally has the best stats of
ORP versus ORP, yeah. He does that too.
(06:00):
He's he's a better orpa than Zaibu.
OK, because Zaibu is kind of hybrid, right?
I would say it's probably only Monosy and Shira that that are
that that can can compete with him and and he's had the better
of Monosy several times so. I'm I'm not convinced he's a
(06:21):
better open than Zoe. He's more he OPS more than Zoe.
OK. I'm not convinced he's better
than Zoe. OK, so Elliot, if you think he's
a better? Open than Zoe, you think he's
the best open in the world? Have you been on Moladoy's page
or TV profile at all before asking this?
Don't go on it. No, no, I haven't.
OK. Because we did this before with
(06:44):
a discussion with, I think it was towards the Inshiro we were
talking about. Yeah.
So past three months, all matches, What's Moladoy's
rating? 1.26. 1.17.
Is that all? Yeah, this is the thing, right?
(07:05):
Moladoy is very good when he when there's an orph in his
hand, he's extremely dangerous. OK, I I see the, I see the point
you're making. There is a slight danger of
overrating him though, especially when Fioria very
heavily rely on getting an Orph in his hands, and this is where
(07:29):
you know he'll never be close toXywu as a player because Xywu is
putting up consistently better numbers with like an Orph half
as often. I think the fact.
That he also is an excellent rifler.
Yeah, that's the thing. Mollusy is also a better rifler.
(07:51):
I think Molladoy is helped by how flashy he is.
I think he's helped by how many or for your jewels he goes to
like goes forward. I think that helps on a
narrative basis, but. I think so.
That is, that is also that is a skill no other or perhaps or not
no other or perhaps but other Opas are struggling with at the
(08:12):
moment. And that's actually in some ways
is more pertinent to put, like if you can shut down Monosy and
Zai Wu consistently. I mean or.
You are more effective. I know Orphe.
Orphe has. Never really been that much of a
thing like. No, I agree, but he's not can
shut them down. But look, he did shut down
Monosy quite a bit in the final.He's honestly was not as good in
(08:37):
the final as he was in the othergame.
His his flashy confidence plays is very reminiscent of prime
simple. It it is and there hasn't been
an office since prime simple that has the the BDE, should we
say like that? I don't think so.
These kind of crazy players. Can we can we go back a second?
Yeah. What do you mean?
(08:57):
Monosy wasn't that good in the final Elliot.
He did win the NB. Yeah, I know, but I didn't think
he was as good in the final as he was in the other.
Game honestly went 91 and 74 andhad a 1.3 rate and he was the
highest rated player in the final.
Yeah, but I don't know. I watching it, I didn't think he
was quite as impactful purely because he just couldn't.
(09:18):
I don't know, maybe I'm. Maybe I'm.
No, he was visibly very impactful.
I think he might have been half asleep.
It's possible. One that one.
Half away. I think it's because the map I
started watching was Nuke where he was actually quite poor, but
then after. That I just.
Had. Yeah.
And then after, after that, he was.
(09:40):
He was. Like he had a, he had a 1, he
had a 142 at the event as well. Like that is free cash.
So yeah, no, this is incredible.Sorry.
Yeah, I was thinking about Nuke.Moloto wasn't in the highest
rated players at the event. Actually, he was not on top
eight players. And this is the thing about
Molar Doy, right? Is that because of his style?
(10:02):
It's hard to go a game where he doesn't look great.
But Molloy didn't look great in that Nuke game either.
But he really did not look good in that Nuke map.
It was only training Mirage where he actually came alive.
And so whilst I think that maybebecause of that style, maybe you
(10:29):
can put him in the top three operas like it's.
It's a style thing, right? It's, it's what you.
Yeah. Yeah, he's still like.
Winning. It's hard to talk about when it
comes to like players though, right?
Yeah, it's much harder because you say like his skill, his main
(10:52):
skill as an opera is being an anti or, which is actually like
a really old school thing. I remember Allu used to be
praised a lot for this. It's like really old school and
fallen as well, actually was very.
Good. And the sort of like the combat
open style, right, less of the passive device Shiro open of
like, you know, angle holding and just hitting, hitting the
two, but actually being bit brawlier, a bit flashier, like
(11:13):
you said. Yeah, with somebody like Shiro,
like I mean even like Mollusy, who's sort of learnt to play
this way with a little bit of flashy, like they will always
out rating him. They will like Shiro will always
have a higher rating every year than Molad, but Shiro will also
not have those. Like he he won't be as explosive
(11:34):
as Moladoy. He he I don't think he would
have won train on his own in theway Moladoy not train.
Sorry, Is it train? Yeah, like Moladoy was like
everywhere on train and I don't think Shiro would have done it
in quite the same way. But then Shiro will win you
other maps in other ways and more consistently.
But like, I don't know, like there's a reason adding Moladoy
(11:57):
to this team, obviously Moladoy and Ukanda obviously adding
Moladoy to this team completely changed the way they play.
Like there's just so much betterwith him in the team because
they needed, they needed somebody to grab a game by the
bollocks and just win it. One of the intangible elements,
though, is like you're saying, right, the way they've had to
(12:18):
restructure their team to to to accommodate him has also brought
the best out of Kiturao and Yuri.
They can play that like half look style and their their
closing potential. It's it's just that it's on
rounds where the impact's not there from Ukanda, from Poland
and and and and Mullaboi. You still got like Kiturao's
(12:38):
probably one of the best clubs players in the world, right.
He's up there with with Rob. So I would say it's just it's
just the team competition. I think, you know, it's like it
would be the best open on a teamthat's not winning, right?
Like like Falcons don't win. But Monosy is obviously very,
(12:59):
very good. One of those not statistically
as good as Monosy, but he's won four out of the five last events
he's played that Do you know what I.
Mean. Yeah, which it's.
It doesn't. You have to ask the question.
Yeah, you have to ask the question, is Molladoy having
more impact than his numbers suggest or is just the team
composition more important, which I know Sam is going to
(13:21):
agree with. Yeah, I think it's definitely
OK. For what it's worth.
I also think like I think it's really easy to underrate furious
rifle firepower, yes as well. Like I know sometimes Ukandar
will be further down the scoreboard because he takes all
of opening jewels that he might lose or or whatever because he's
(13:43):
just a naturally exceedingly aggressive player.
I think he takes like, what was it like the second highest
amount of opening jewels in the top?
I don't 10 or whatever. I don't know.
I don't know what it is now. I know there was a point in time
where he was averaging like 34%.He takes years ago, he takes
something like 30 or 31% now. Yeah, which is insanely.
(14:07):
High but like you kinderman, some of his CT holds a
ridiculous like the timings he finds like even when he's doing
like mid to late round aggression as well.
Like was it just on an E map? Like there was one in the
Chengdu final on the overpass CTpistol where he was just, he was
(14:33):
outside long and has just decided to walk up it and then
killed two or three from doing that.
Like there's all these aggressive moves that you kinda
makes at the moment. He's just making better than
anyone else. And then Kaeser Arter and Yuri.
Maybe there was a little doubt about Yuri at a time.
(14:53):
Definitely there was. But like they are, he's.
So much better now. They are both exceptional
riflers like especially Kaeser. Ohio and Fallen as well is by no
means sandbagging even when he'slike doing it intentionally to
support the other team mates. So I think when you do compare
him to someone like Falcons, youcan look at Nico Kosuke kicks
(15:17):
and and test sets. How do you think it probably
balances out? Is Case all right on top five,
top five right player? Right now, yes.
I think, I mean, I think at his peak, yes as well.
Like there was a point. Yeah, yeah, at his feet.
Do you remember like remember before the Rio major where he
was like he was legitimately like one of the best players in
(15:39):
the world and fury were awful like yeah, Fury were like
scraping like top 15 in the world and que Serato was on like
a 1.3 like he was absolutely insane.
Like Que Serato is incredible. Yuri like like when Furio were
like burst onto the scene, it was Yuri Caserata that was Yuri
Caserata. Yuri Caserata.
(16:00):
That was all anyone talked about.
Yuri went completely off the boil for a long, long time.
Now in this team, I think as as Jack mentioned, like the the
team structure has allowed Yuri to have a little bit more space
where like in the sort of positions he wants and more
passively and he's a completely different player.
(16:20):
He looks they make both twice asgood.
Like extremity sides. So they're basically playing the
the identical role into the two side, generally just on the
other side, different side of the map, which is, is is
allowing them both to have the same potential impact, right?
Yeah, I think, I think it is just part of the strength of
this Fioria team Is that like role for role?
(16:44):
It might actually be the most, what's the word?
Well structured. Yeah.
Well, most well structured or most well balanced?
No, I want to say like idealistically structured.
Right. If if, if that makes sense to
(17:04):
you guys like you like do you remember when that going back to
that like Patsy Rainwaker, horrid Liquid roster where it
was like, OK, we've got 2 exceedingly aggressive players,
2 exceedingly passive players and then OC just like being
somewhat shit in the middle of it.
Yeah, there's no part of that with this team.
If someone needs to go, they go.If someone needs to chill, they
(17:27):
chill. And like, even Yukinda has these
moments of like, all right, I'm going to wait before I RIP this
fucker's head off where I actually do just think in that
sense, like, at least in the waythat, you know, I view a fucking
Counter Strike team should be put together.
Fury is just the perfect realization of that.
(17:51):
Which is weird because nobody thought that when this team was
made, right? I think if you take if you took
the the the names and the faces away and you just had them as
like blank avatars of how they've hit the game, I think
you're right, Sam, Like this is how a lot of people would
ideally strike, build a team. Yeah, and I think that's, it
(18:13):
both allows them to thrive and shine, but it's also it, it also
is the reason they do to a degree as well, right.
It gives them space to to perform, but also helps them
perform. Well, I think one of the one of
the more interesting parts aboutthat as well is I did a
interview for Blast with Yukindajust before Hong Kong.
(18:35):
And he said then that, you know,when they when they form the
team, they base this new system on vitality system, which makes
sense because vitality themselves are very structured
and the roles are very defined compared to a lot of the top
teams we've seen in the past fewyears.
Like especially if you look at Flames, it's like the shining
(18:56):
example within that team. But I think, you know, a lot of
teams would have been doing thatand they just would have copied
it. What makes vitality work?
Let's just do that. I think Fury genuinely did
improve on it because it you know, I saw something earlier
about how Apex averages like each flash or whatever fuck it
(19:16):
is. He's he's the best of over stats
over 3 seconds over 3 seconds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't.
Remember what I saw it, it was like 3.15 seconds enemies.
Was it enemies 5 per round? OK, yeah, cool.
Fallen is still getting impressive stats, but Fallen in
this team is also more selfless than Apex's in Vitality and I
think another. Thing depends on apex more
(19:40):
getting getting. Well having impact well this
yeah, this is the thing right Solike if you look at Mirage the.
Expectation is there, I should say, yeah.
If you look at Mirage CT side, what is the what is the linchpin
of that map on the CT side, a connector who plays there on
Vitality Apex? And this is this is the problem
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right? Apex, the anchoring, just apex
so. Isn't a bad con player, he's
actually quite good because the way he plays in con allows him
to activate Rock Sai Wu and Flames on the A site, but
there's a big difference where Ican't remember exactly who plays
there. For fucking Fury, I imagine it's
(20:20):
Kesarov. I think it's on.
I think it's your. Kinder.
I think it's your kinder for Fury.
It might be. I think it for Kesarovo, I'm
pretty sure is an A anchor. Moladoy's obviously window.
Think you're a shade. Oh he is OK.
I thought quesarato is usually like the big site anchor.
(20:43):
No, he did that. For a time.
Susan Con for mouse and various con No, sorry, a donker's con,
obviously, per. But.
Spirit. So it's normally you're so top
rifler, right? Yeah, being Apex is interesting.
So this is the thing. Well, I mean there was a few
Alexi there. Alexi played con for a while.
Chewie, I think also played, I think Chewie did play con and
(21:06):
mouse as well. So the, the, you know, there's,
there's players who have done this, but how do you just think
that makes such a big difference?
And I think it's probably something Vitality might also
benefit from in the long run because, and I I think I put
(21:30):
this in the deep dive, which will be out a few hours after
this podcast comes out. I think I put it in there and I
know it's definitely in something that me and Jack have
been working on. The difference in Fallen and
Apex's roles are staggering. Like Fallen is sacrificing
pretty much everything for the team.
(21:51):
They share 2 roles and I think they're both.
On the CT side though, not Teesside, right?
Yeah, sorry, she decide. Yeah, Teesside.
Yeah, it's even more extreme. Yeah, yeah.
And CT side, what was it? It was overpass and ancient.
Just because it's worth having. They share B rotate on overpass
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on CT and B support on inferno. So yeah, not anchoring but not
exactly high impact spots either.
But compared to like Paul and being a Bianca and and Apex
being the con player on Mirage, Apex on Nuke.
Yeah. He plays cave on ancient as well
(22:46):
so. Yeah, like this is, this is the
thing. Like I think when you look at
that, you can see how Fury are in really good form, but they
are also a really, really good team.
And you can look at the firepower of Falcons or like the
the two players who actually know how to shoot things on
(23:07):
Spirit right now, though I seem to remember tonight having a
couple of good games in Hong Kong.
And like, the firepower on Vitality, whatever.
There's a lot of firepower on this Fury team.
And it's also just built incredibly well.
Like they are the number one team in the world because they
actually do deserve to be. And yeah.
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I'd just like to say you you used to be a big Ukinda hater,
so it's nice to see you come around to the the right side of
history. Well I hated him when he was
shit on liquid right? And also I hated watching him
play. Ukinda, your time on Liquid does
not count. Let's talk about something else.
Let's talk about Falcons. They were the other team in the
grand final. They can't win an event.
(23:58):
No, but they are getting dangerous for close now they
are. I think it's, it's all it, it
will happen, right? It's just, will it happen in
Budapest? Yeah, Like, yeah, I should have
some reservations. No, no, I'm disagreeing with
you. And I do have some reservations
(24:18):
about the team, though. Like I'm not.
I'm just not sure, like Nico hasdone the more passive things at
points in his career. Why are we like, I know someone
has to do it when these are the five players you have, but why
are we bothering doing this withTess says.
(24:41):
And I know he gets impact more than his ratings suggests.
Sometimes his ratings are not good like.
It's it's a real shame because Ireally like Teta.
I right. I think Tetis is an absolutely
fantastic counter strike player and it's just such a shame to
(25:02):
see him reduced to like being like Sticko.
Not even Sticko being tackled well he.
Actually, yeah, Taco. Yeah, yeah, he's like, he's
like, like he's reduced to Taco,like he's everyone's bitch and
it's so sad because he's so muchbetter than this, but.
He likes being. Bitch.
He likes being like, good for me, a semi, a semi bitch.
(25:25):
He likes being like, you know, he likes being a role player.
He doesn't like being like underthe foot.
He doesn't. Feel like he likes being a bitch
player but this is the wrong type of bitch player.
Yes, yeah, exactly. That's what that's what I'm
trying to say. And it is ultimately just going
(25:45):
to do him on the roster. Like I think maybe I said it on
the podcast last week, bit 2 Falcons in brackets or whoever
else replaces Tessa's is going to be the big roster move that
happens in a month's time. That will be the big move of the
(26:05):
winter. And it just it is a guarantee.
And I think it's a guarantee even if they win Budapest
because Falcons at this point are so ridiculously close and
they could get over the line with Tesses.
So what can they do with someonebetter than with Tesses?
(26:26):
Yeah. Like the best tesses in the
world. Are we deciding that that Tesses
prefers soft Dom over over hard hard Dom?
Yeah. Is that is that Astana?
He's on Falcons. He prefers Fin Dom when like.
Thank you very much. There's like. 15 teams that
(26:48):
Tessa's can like reasonably go to anywhere there's.
At least half of that. Honestly, there's loads of teams
that would be improved by Tessa.Do you know the first one?
I'd say that would be improved. Because I've got an idea in my
head. I have a feeling you could guess
who I would say phase. Exactly what I was doing,
(27:10):
exactly what I was going to say,Phase tesses.
I'm so on board. I'm pretty sure Elliot, if we
were to go back to one of the first podcasts we did together
this year, there will be a clip of one of me or you or both of
us. I don't know who brought it up
saying Tesses is the long term rain replacement.
(27:32):
Interesting. I don't.
Remember saying confident One ofus would have said that, but I.
Love Tessa. So I, I would have been on
board. I don't think I would have said
it, but I would have been on board.
I I Maybe Tessa's. Maybe I said it then because
like it's, you know, it's alwaysbeen obvious that like the the
call they signed from heroic wasnever going to survive.
(27:52):
So at some point Tessa's and Dexter had to go.
Dexter's replacement was obvious, Tessa's is less so.
And where do you where'd you puttesters?
After that, he's just rain. Maybe he is too good.
He's just rain. You're right.
But he I kind of like Nip as well though.
(28:13):
Nip, Goodall, get that shift. If you've been off U Dicks and
have him him shift yeah I think.That's yeah, I kind of like it.
I kind of like it, I'll be honest.
Like that is what I mean. He's such a good plug and play
player. But yeah.
Like he's such a good plug and play player.
You can put him on so many teams.
I think he helps. Like I think he helps, so he
helps Liquid, but that's not really their problem.
But like obviously he helps Heroic, he helps game of Legion.
(28:38):
Like when 100 Thieves sign GamerLegion, they can just eventually
kick one of them and bring in Tessa.
So then you've got Rain and Tessa.
So he's got a nasty duo. Like he obviously improves any
team outside of the top 20, evenif they have to convert to
English. Like like Fanatic, he'd be
amazing. Like he'd be so good on Fanatic.
(28:58):
I would love to see a pack of fucking tesses and blame.
FI do you know what do you know what I actually want from?
I want Tesses to go to NA and just farm like a 1.6 rating for
three months. Like I just because he's he's
not going to allow just. To have fun.
Yeah, yeah, he's not allowed. He's been like so downtrodden on
this team. Go do the Magisk thing where you
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just go to NA. He's been playing, just farm an
insane rate. Brilliant.
Exactly. He's been playing around with
some. Freedom.
He's been playing her round ball, he needs to go play some
halal ball in for MAT. Soccer.
Yeah, for. Sure bro went to *** and he just
like he just farms racing out there.
It's. It's so it must be so.
Fun. This is what happens to
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basically any EU import to NA aswell.
Yeah, except. Unless he's fucking rubbish or
or or SUS but you just get to just get to run around.
How about, and I don't know who you put him in for, but G2, Tess
says. I feel like he he, I feel like
he is kind of G2 EI don't know who you put him in for but.
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Well, you wouldn't like the answer.
Elliot Yeah. Why haven't?
Pretend. Pretend you didn't say that one.
Right, hang on, hang on. Maub's IGL era we.
Move on. Now let's talk about Nico.
He had a rough final, he had a very rough final.
He he he tends to more often than not lately, which is.
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So this is the thing, right? Because I, I brought this up
because obviously there's the whole choco thing and Thoren was
calling people like smooth brained in cells or whatever.
It's a bad. It's a bad name.
There's bad name. But it's kind.
Of Choco. Choco is stupid.
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Like it is stupid. There are a lot of finals he has
played exceptionally well in, including a major final.
Don't. They don't matter if you don't
come, if you don't win, that do.They wasn't he like, no, no,
hang on, hang on. Wasn't he?
Oh, you. Oh, you mean the, the the one
where he choked the the eagle shot?
Yeah, that one. OK, like I say, the cloud
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normally was. Terrible.
He played. He played really well until the
round where it mattered, when they could have won.
Yeah, he played really well until he lost the game.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot more rounds in a map of Counter
Strike. Two of them.
Yeah, yeah. But anyway, like, because, oh,
he he didn't choke. He only choked the one important
round. Yeah, but he did choke.
But he did. But he did.
He missed the Deagle shot that he would hit 100 times out of
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100 like normally. Right, it's a nonsense point I.
Can't talk about. Inevitably.
But anyway, it's always been a bit of a stupid narrative until
like maybe until he joined Falcons.
Honestly, I don't think he's fixed.
He's not been particularly good in finals on Falcons, Like a
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lot, actually. A lot of important games on
Falcons. Nico is the one struggling.
It's almost like he's just not got the bollocks for it, has he?
So I so I don't think he used tobe a massive choker.
He used to, but he like phase did choke quite a few finals.
There's a reason like he wasn't necessarily the one trick, but
like phase did choke a lot of finals.
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He was poor in the last map of the major final that they
obviously should have won. And then like he now on Falcons
is starting to choke an important game where he like, I
actually don't think he necessarily did before, but his
teams often did, which obviouslythe G2 major final is not his
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fault. But like when you're being
called a choker and you have such a big moment like that
where you visibly like perform worse than you would normally
like he, that is a task he can do.
He. Like if he did that 1000 times
at home, I don't think he'd evermiss at home or in a group
stage. But he did miss because it was a
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major fight. Like, and I understand that that
would happen to a lot of players.
But like, when you have that, that sort of title and you do
something like that, it's like it's going to haunt you.
Of course. Yeah.
Well then also. Right, the major eluding him for
so long and I think we'll probably get to this as well
during the major runner. But being so close so many times
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and never doing it. That does stick with you.
No matter how good your bloody sports therapist is or or how
bulkan you are and how how minimal your emotions are.
That does get to you. And it does probably the way a
little bit because every major he doesn't win, you know, he's
not going to have infinite majors amid chances.
Should I mean. Well, I think this is the main
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thing with with Nico at this point as to why I actually think
Nico might not win a major untilhe's an IGL Love it.
I think, I think, I think something might change when he's
an IGL, but I think at this point in his career, how his
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career is right now, you know, Boston and Antwerp, have I got
that the right way around? I always get Antwerp and
Stockholm the wrong way around. And no Stockholm.
Stockholm was Navi. Yeah, Boston, Stockholm, Rio and
not being there. Yeah.
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Paris and how that happened and Austin and how that happened.
These are all things like, you know, we we all said for years
about like the mental damage Carrigan had from Boston.
And then, you know, hilariously,they lost Inferno in Copenhagen,
kind of like somewhat reinforcedthat.
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But also it only reinforced thatif you decide you you want it to
because Carrigan has won a lot since then.
Yeah, Carrier has won a major, but we're.
We're talking about 5 separate occasions that will be like
seriously mentally damaging. And like I think that's why I
think the IGL thing because it'slike taking charge of it in a
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different way. He needs to.
IGL he needs to be anchor his way to a major.
He and he like this Falcon. If literally if there was ever
ever A-Team Nico could be anchorhis way to a major.
It's a team with Monosy and Kosuke and probably soon bit,
but he actually could be out of this team and it would be fine.
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Get rid of Kicksand and Tess says and he could be out of this
team, OK? We've obviously spoken a lot
about bit on Falcons, but let's say they were to get rid of
kicksand and he goes to our gel.Who else?
Was that exertion? Oh wait, no Falcons.
Hang on, so you. Why wouldn't you do that, Jack?
Why wouldn't you do that? Talk to me about geopolitics.
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Let me think you've got you've got Nico is in game leader.
I'm thinking he's probably more like an Apex than a like entry.
So you probably need like a hardentry guy, right?
You probably need a guy like Tessa.
We've got Kaosuke do most of. Israeli That's that's really
bad. Yeah, I mean, Kaosuke can, but
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like, I feel like he's probably in a few years their star rifle
rather than their hard entry. Why?
Do you get like they get punk aswell?
Yeah. Yeah, fuck it, let's get Dunk.
Yeah, move on. OK, Zai Wu zai Wu as a rifler.
Who else played at Rivals for usto talk about?
Then we've done it. Now we've got it.
Up in else matters, Yeah. I mean, there's kind of a thing
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else matters. Like I don't want to talk about
pain or passion UA because I just don't deserve to be in the.
Playoffs. Yeah, those two teams.
Vitality we talked about last week, they're a bit vitality.
Spirit was a great game. That was a great game.
Filled with flaws, which kind ofreinforced what we've been
saying about both teams, but a great game to watch because of
those flaws. Let's take a break and we'll go
into something a little bit morelight hearted after this.
(37:00):
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
counter strike? I do, I took a weekend off and I
came back to six new IG LS3 retirements and apparently
that'll be waterfall. I got picked up by a top 20
team. Right, that's why I've been
relying on the TLDR newsletter. It's a biweekly e-mail that
keeps you up to speed on everything in the CSC without
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needing scroll. Read it for three hours while
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Yeah, quick hits of news, spicy officer moves, upcoming match
schedules, and even some insidergossip.
All killer, no filler. And let's be honest, some of
these tournament formats you need a guy just to figure out
(37:42):
who's playing who. TLDR breaks it all down so you
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Plus, it's funny. Like actually funny.
It's like reading a group chat between smart CS fans who roast
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So if your brain's full but yourheart still beats for Counter
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sound smarter in Twitch chat. Check out the link down below
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major upset is not even knowing it happened.
TLDR you don't have time to readeverything, you still want to
sound like you did. Welcome to a new section of the
podcast we're calling Go Days orno days.
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This is where our I know the answers, but our 2 two other you
know my 2 Co hosts try and guesswhether these are real or fake
days tweets. If you've not been up to date
with days, I don't necessarily recommend it.
The guys, the guys. Do you mean you don't recommend
it? Yeah, fuck off.
(38:49):
This is how I go. Depending on the day, this is
how I finish. My day I go for.
OK OK but then they would know all the answers.
They would ruin the fun. First tweet from go days.
I'd like to say I made all thesescreenshots so all the numbers
at the bottom are the same so don't try and read into those.
I haven't slept while Joe Biden is in the office.
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AKA Sleepy Joe stealing all my sleep in all caps.
Is this a go dazed or a no dazed?
When you say all the numbers, will they all say 12:00 PM June
1st 2021? Yes.
OK, cool. Because I created all of the
screenshots regardless of are we?
Buzzing in or or how? Do you want to do that?
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You can, you can. You can collude.
I don't really mind. I think maybe we collude Jack.
I want to say. I want to say that the AKA after
all of the incredible Dazed Thoughts videos is.
I think that's a ruse. I think that's being put there
to to make us think it's real. I think this one is fake.
(39:56):
I've not seen many all caps dazed tweets so I'm going to say
no dazed. Yeah, no dazed.
Correct. Come on.
This was a dickle creation. We'll move on to #2 125916, the
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numbers of my birthday. This this.
I've seen this somewhere else. I feel like this is also no days
and I don't want to give the context as to why, but it also
could be could be go days. Jack, I'm going to, I'm going to
leave this one up to you. It would be too obvious to have
(40:41):
a no days and the go days so I'mgoing to say no dazed again.
Correct, it is no dazed. This was also that to me screams
Dickle as soon as I read that. Yeah, obviously Dickle.
This one. This is go dazed.
I've seen this one I'm. Pretty sure final bosses joined
the game. TikTok TikTok TikTok TikTok
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TikTok. This goes on forever. 99,999 X
Coca Coca combo. GG Barbs.
Could I in like a proper Mortal Kombat voice, Elliot?
Could I just get you to read outthat that line before GG barbs
again? I just, I just want to hear it.
99 thou 99,999 X combo. Yeah, that was that was good.
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That's a go days that that is a go days correctly a three for
three so far 1 #4 how to activate good supercomputer plus
hang on 72,375,678 tempo in the mind
11111111111111111111111111111 open good supercomputer.
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I will say credit the dickle because they've all seemed,
which is why I asked him. But if I.
Asked. Oh no, You asked Elliot.
I asked Dickle. If I asked ChatGPT, I sent him
dazed Twitter and said generate me some tweets from this
account. This is how they could look.
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So, so by that I mean it's very,it's very close.
I think I just feel like this one's a no dazed honestly.
But it's on brand, right? You can see how it could be.
Yeah, but it's also very on brand for Dickel.
I think for viewers and listeners, Dickel, former social
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manager for TLDR, it's quite. And general mental case.
General menace to those around him.
Does share some interest I'm. Not sure he has a similar level
of mental. Fortune.
He enjoys salsa dancing and super computers, apparently.
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I'm if you're saying I'm confident I'll also.
I just really feel like this one's a no dazed.
Yeah, honestly, like. Dragon's Den.
Yeah, fake, fake, fake is what they call called it.
It is a no dazed. Oh my God. #5 Now I didn't know
quite how to make this one into the screenshot so it's delete,
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delete. And then there were there was a
video of him talk to the camera saying no I can't and I won't I
won't delete it all. I can't do it anymore.
He's done a lot of videos with him saying delete.
This in that in that case I'm just going to go go days based
off the context. It's either it's, you know, it's
(43:53):
a good fake, it's a genuine fakeor, or real.
And, and honestly, I'm not that expensive, so I, I can't tell
the difference. So I'll go go dazed.
It is a genuine fake. It is a fake.
Ha ha, what's it dickle again? I wasn't sure exactly how to.
I couldn't screenshot it with a video because the video didn't
exist, but even if we did I would probably have written it
like that anyway. Final one number six.
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Once evil SC supercomputer has Barbarians autonomy, they now
have control over physical vessels.
They're evil supercomputer will control their every action.
My theories, my opinions. I will let UIA decide.
G64. Go nose.
No questions, no nose. Correct, but.
Even different isn't that fuckedin the head?
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I'm, I'm disappointed that we, we couldn't get the clean sheet,
but you know. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it was difficult because it was because it was
the the video curveball. You guys are go dazed
aficionados, it turns out. I hope let's know how you got
your viewers I. Hope your ears are cleansed
after that long, long chat aboutwhatever the hell we were.
(44:58):
Talking about that was good. We need to do that again.
That was fun, that was fun. But the problem is you spent.
You guys spent too long on. Oh, what if we do?
What if we do it with Chris Jay?Should we do it with Chris Jay
next or? Sick Just.
Scary images. Did they come from oboes
Twitter? Or not.
Yeah, you could do it with a bunch of pros, couldn't you?
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We'll move on. Then.
We've got a couple of other small stories to talk about,
really before the end of this podcast, because it's on screen.
We'll do this one first. Silvio PGLCEO we at this hours
of several CS2 Tier One events in 2026 won't take place as they
missed the deadline for announcing the additional
details. None of the Star Ladder CS2 Tier
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One events in 2026 will take place.
The same applies are two of the three Fisher CS2 Tier One events
in 2026, Playground Four and Playground Five.
So far, there has been no Star Ladder announcement for any Tier
One event in 2027. Which is interesting, right?
Considering producer Charlie if you click on the next tab you
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have open hours later Star Ladder posted this.
Yeah. I'm putting on my I love Rules
hat and doing a Sylvie Sylvie Sylvie cosplay.
Just shut the hell up man. It's it's all he does is tweet
about how everyone else is rubbish and evil.
All he said is we pay people so fast, which is good.
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That's. Great.
By the way, it's the next tweet on his account.
But when that's your like, main redeeming quality is that you
pay people money they're owed a bit sooner than other people and
that everyone else, their eventsare not happening.
Like you said it with full chess, not that Starletter and
Fisher have not announced their events yet.
Will they take place? Question mark, which I would say
is a reasonable question. He's declared that they're
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they're not happening. Yeah.
Yeah. So self-righteous, cringe and
bold. Well this is my issue with it
right? It's like why the fuck is he
doing that? Like why why is he there just
making these statements about over TOS like so.
(47:08):
So we discussed this in TLVR staff channels during the week
and our our overlord was speaking about, you know, ESL
monopolizing Counter Strike, which just isn't true by the
way, and how the ESL. Get ESL Monopoly from the ESL
(47:30):
shop the the board game. Didn't know that was a thing.
Fantastic. Yeah, and you know how ESL have
constantly undermined PGL or some of the fucking bullshit?
That also isn't fucking true. So what the fuck is that tweet?
Like why? Why is that deemed to be
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something acceptable? Because this isn't acceptable.
By the way, this isn't someone taking a photo of a fucking HLTV
award medal. Which is perfectly fine to do by
the way, just to be clear. Do you mean the CS2 news ENMD?
PII do, yes. Yeah, that was so.
Sponsored by Dandon and and whoever else I don't know.
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Ben Doyle. Yeah, I don't.
I don't know. I don't know if you have
thoughts on this, Elliot, but I don't mean Jack.
I don't. I've spoke about it.
Like I really don't think it's OK that are a different like he
he is the CEO of PGL and he's tweeting about Star ladder and
Fisher events not happening. But that's.
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Just. Not OK.
There's no, there's no communication.
I learned on that. There is I I even before I had
very limited time to care about like the insurance and outs of
Counter Strike. There is there are a few things
I could not care about. I couldn't care about in like
the different Huds that different like companies use
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that you should wind me up. People talk about that.
I couldn't really give a shit. About some of them are very ugly
though. Yeah, I don't care.
I couldn't really give a shit about tournament formats and I
absolutely 100% could not give ashit about tournament organiser
drama. I I just don't fucking care.
Just mind you fucking naked and shut the the.
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The bigger issue though is that no other TO has a mouthpiece or
or a person right like like EFG has Julie and Mark Winter right
They generally like Will. Post things and ask questions.
What's his name? Not the Polish fella.
Carmack as well. Yeah, we have.
Carmack Yeah, yeah. Like the people, but they're not
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dunking on other T OS they'd normally just like.
They they will only ever I'm talking about.
Questions or providing clarity to press reasons and stuff,
right, which I think is it's fine.
But again, they're not like they're not like industry
figures in they are obviously intheir paramount to the scene,
but they're not their brand is not what they do and also not
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the CEOs. They're like the product
managers of stuff, right where it's like it's the the community
sentiment is like their direct responsibility in a way, right?
This show is like, meant to be like, you know, running the
whole business. See what I'm talking?
Shit. Pooping everyone else and again
bring it up again, PGLS Bio is innovative esports company which
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I just think is like so unimaginative, especially when
their broadcast hadn't developedin the last two years since I
came back. Sorry, I just let's say how how
ironic it is you're saying oh ohthis other T OS shouldn't be
shitting on each other while ESLemployees a little PGL on that
innovative go on move on. But I'm not, you know.
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Whatever. You're the mouthpiece of the SL
now, I'm afraid I am. I am.
We're. Losing a lot of money, probably.
What that mouth do? Let's move on to 100 Thieves.
Messioso has been named head of CS Operations and he wants to
get the best possible players that suit us.
I mean that is literally your job that that is, if I had to
describe what a head of CS operations has to do, it is get
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the best possible players that suit them.
Yeah, obviously read. VRS through books.
Obviously he then he then upset NA fans or something.
They probably got upset their NAfans are all pissed babies
because he was asked about, you know, NA teams.
Because wild cards seem to be blowing up again.
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Which is unsurprising because that will.
They should get a player. From show they should probably
get fuzzy. I'm glad.
You agree with me because they definitely should.
Game engine core and fuzzy, and that's a really good team.
Where you know where Messioso basically said the to put words
into his mouth. The NA region ain't shit and I'm
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not going to prop them up when they're bad.
Yeah, he said bye bitches as soon as that call and he was
like thank fuck I'm going to do all that dance bar anymore.
Yeah, basically and. It's still processing the fuzzy
suggestion. I can't believe Sam has agreed
that they should sign foesy. How many authors are available
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that, like we know for a fact, can hang at Tier 1?
Ulzer, he could. Hang his He could hang his nuts
on Wallace's chin. Look, obviously he could, yes.
Yeah, I mean like. Charlie, he can't hang at Tier
1. He actually is just bad at Tier
1. Like I'd quite like photo but.
The whole name of them. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm putting
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aside the fact that I like him as a guy.
I. Mean he'd still be like, he's
like, OK. As an author.
He'd be like my fourth choice, but he's safe.
I'm also sort of just sort of a bit baffled boys Jack calling
them a really good team if they signed the game a legion corps
and foes it. But based on what you're?
Getting rid of the the worst bitof game, a legion, which is
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their offer. Yeah, but you are getting an
Orping upgrade. Or opening upgrade you are and
then you've got rain. Who's gonna have hands.
Probably be a decent idea. And he played the game for like
57 years, so. You've got a brand. 100 Thieves
aren't winning anything, but it'll be a fun team.
It'll be a team I think people will want to get behind.
(53:22):
Yeah, but that's very different to them being a really good
team. Well, I guess it depends on what
you want to. Call really good.
Which is what? Right, OK.
All right, fine. Yeah.
And they sell jerseys and, and, you know, clothing, which is.
What? Yeah, Remember that 100 Thieves
is a clothing brand. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not an esports organization, but I mean like, I
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guess that's the relative term of really good, isn't it?
Like if they're consistently getting Tier 1 invites, are they
really good? Probably.
Yeah, I mean fine, better than RT.
When I hear really good team, when I hear a really good team,
especially from one of you two, I'm not thinking, Oh yeah, game
Allegiant with those. And Speaking of ORP upgrades on
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really good teams, OG signed Cadian.
Why? Why did you do that?
Yeah, I mean, we talked about them signing flammers.
We talked about them signing flammers before, didn't we?
This was this was confirmed thisweek that OG Kadia and I just.
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It just is going to be bad, isn't it?
So I I've been writing somethingfor a for a project that's not
yet live where I talked about this.
And my sort of devil's advocate argument was, so this OG team is
closer to the sort of teams thatKaden has been good on than the
teams he's been bad on. He's been really bad on teams
with big egos, big names like players who aren't like
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Malleable. He was good on Rogue, he was
good on Heroic, where like they didn't really have these sort of
stand out big names and he was shit on North.
Until they developed egos and stabbed him in the back.
Exactly right. He was shit on North, shit on
Liquid, everyone shit on Liquid,everyone shit on North,
whatever. And he wasn't very good on
Australis but like OG Moore resembles the teams he's
(55:13):
actually been good on. What?
Was Caden on north? Did I just forget that?
Yeah, yeah, he was after basic London after N nearly lost to
Rogue to qualify for the major. Before heroic, OK, he was there
for. Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
He replaced MSL for a bit and then MSL came back.
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And no, this was after MSL orpedso they needed an awe pyjel who
was dating it. Wasn't he benched for a long
part of that year? Quite possibly he wasn't very
good or not, but like, again, nobody won.
That was my sort of devil's advocate argument.
But the problem is that he just isn't very good on CS2.
But he just cannot. Yeah.
(55:55):
And he and he's like whole, his whole system that he's good with
relies on him or thing. Well, he's also playing in I
think Zai Wu and the amount thatother.
Is better than. Tier one offers actually off
shows that orping is maybe less important in Tier 1 and gawping
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is very important in Tier 2. And three, well, you're not
getting flashed as much and you're not having a Molotov
thrown at every angle. You can fucking play.
It's it's. Considerably more powerful.
We're finding more star player orpers like Yamala Dois for
example, in these sort of TFT teams and we are riflers because
they stand. That way more as well.
OK but like you're saying orpingisn't as important in Tier 1 and
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I know what you're saying because I woo rifles a lot.
Modesty rifles a lot. The top three orpers in the
world, let's say the top 4 orpers in the world are on the
first, second, third, and 6th ranked team.
It's pretty important. Is that because every team has
an author? What do you mean?
OK, but there's not there's. No team with like a like a
mediocre author who's. Who's I don't think, I don't
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think either of us are saying that it it's not important.
You said it's not as important as Tier 1 and I'm not sure
that's true. I don't think it is as important
as tier one as it is at Tier 2. I'm not to.
Have a good author? No, it's just every team needs
to have a good author. Yeah.
And of course and of course, right.
(57:26):
And of course, the best teams have the best operas like with
OK. Yeah, but so it's so it's still
incredibly important because youneed to have the best offer to
be the. Yes, but these two things can
coexist, Elliot. Yeah, but it's still incredibly
important. But didn't, yeah.
So it was just as important. As I said, it's not as important
(57:47):
as Tier 2. But it is demonstrably.
Really don't think it is. Bless me, I don't meet in time.
That's my I'm obviously having an alleged reaction to this
discussion, so I think we can move.
On like tier one teams, but tierone teams build around rifle
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stars now more than you do orp stars Let's.
Just start building around porn.Stars Tier 2 teams, Tier 2 teams
don't do that because the ORP isstill so much stronger in Tier
2. It's wary 2 so our Tier 2
walkers struggle when they go upto tier.
One. That's why having.
A good offer is more important. Where are you calling Tier 2?
(58:30):
The teams like generally outsideof the.
Team 6. Like out.
Like where do you cut that off? Because I paint Tier 2.
No, no. I'd say 20 gentle mates and
below or below gentle mates. Yeah, it's somewhere.
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It's somewhere between 18 to 24.OK.
I mean, even then I'm not sure Ientirely agree.
Like you've still got teams likeM80 and not Bill round there or
but Tyler would not bill round there or B8 and not Bill round
there or but fanatic and not bill round there or but NIPR.
Fair enough. Yeah, boom.
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Fanatic, don't pretend to know. Yeah, Magnesia's is their best.
Plan Fanatic puts a lot into Jambo.
Nick put a lot into Wrinkle. But what I do, but they're also
they're clearly built around playing it.
Like is that what I mean? More is not.
Sure, that. The point, The point where
you're the point where you're playing majority of your time in
(59:33):
online games against the type ofopposition that me and you don't
give a fuck to be able to name in, right.
Like I in a circle played an event and did OK.
And I still don't know what any of the fuckers are because like
they instantly go back out of mybrain when they're not at an
event. Yeah, like when you're in these
type of games, you do get flash less, you do get Molotov less.
(59:56):
It's the reason why Nikka Dozi is so good at that level and
he's crap at Tier 1. So it's more important to have
someone who. Can I think that's I think
that's throats. I think that's the I actually
think it's less important then because there's no flash bang.
You don't actually need to be any good.
It's actually less important smoothly.
I can do it. You can just just.
Go you have to hit the shots if it.
(01:00:17):
Might think to or fix. Do you think also it being more
online it's here too has an effect?
Yeah, of course online does benefit riflers because the
extra. Yeah, but then, but then I'm
saying the difference in OPA makes online, right?
And OPA, who's good online? You know the more than.
(01:00:38):
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Yeah, you see what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
OK so who's OG spear? Who are they going to get?
Because it's not Cypher, apparently.
Yeah, they're apparently practicing.
This is our last story of the day.
So we the cypher apparently was practicing with OG which they
tweeted out being like it was nice to practice with you I
guess after he joined 500 which is Compass.
(01:01:03):
How do we always end up talking about this fucking team?
What like this is? The 3rd or 4th podcast we've
done this on now. Cipher man, I like you, but you
are you do have a thing from thedeadest teams man, you are a
proper necrophilia. This is this is this is a
fucking horrendous decision. What are you doing?
(01:01:25):
What are you? I like but stop making decisions
like this. At least it's only on loan until
the end of the season. Yeah, but come on, I know.
We all know what that means. Well, the.
Five hundreds of them. Obviously 500 is a GAMBLING
SITE, right? Do they just have like mad
money? Oh right, does this team scream
(01:01:46):
mad money to ascend? Yeah, this is like they they
they built Galacticos here. The Galacticos 2016.
Fuck, your last Cirque is their orb.
Oh, yeah, Tier 2 you need, you need a great author in Tier 2.
We've got fucking Cirque. Galactico is what otherwise
known as the players stuck in circus orbit.
(01:02:06):
What I'm saying is OG probably have a better chance of being a
good team, which which is said with greater teeth while
Kenton's there. But if he's, if they, if father
said yeah, play for three months, we'll give you like, I
don't know. It's probably just Volt's,
probably just steamed Christmas.Do you remember how fun it was
(01:02:27):
when we won the game? Yeah, it's gone.
Yeah, it's probably also that. Did you play with campus before
as well or what? What weekend?
I mean, probably he's been on like every team.
He's been on every dog shit teamyou get.
Yeah, Yeah, he did. You're right.
Yeah. So he's played with a couple of
them before. He's probably done his mates A
favour. He's probably playing for free.
Yeah man, I like your Cypher. This is this is poor.
(01:02:48):
Please stop making moves. It is good that they've managed
to like 500 have managed to recreate Patsy and Rainwaker.
Goodbye, I tell you. What is it?
It's actually impressive to create a team that is 78th
ranked on the Valves ranking andI've heard of all five of their
player. Do you know what I mean?
Like they've created an extremely bad team out of
(01:03:11):
players I've heard. That's maybe we'll do something,
no. What's the?
Last I can go in, I've heard of all five players.
Yeah, like is there anyone worse?
Than this or I've actually heardof them.
X in a circle is 72. That's like old 9 but with
crowds. Now we need to go past 500, OK?
OK I've heard of all the GG how players but I shouldn't that
(01:03:31):
doesn't really count Metasport Neilan is on a.
Metasport or 82. Hang on, hang on 93 We talked
about this team before. Birds from Sky Chaos, Captain
Kirk and Bermalov. OK.
Nemesis O98 Nemesis. I only know who they are.
Well, like, yeah, this is the thing.
(01:03:51):
I only know who they are becauseI follow Nemesis.
I just like to say 9 Boom pro and 95th in the world on Valve
rankings and they've got Zorti, Axel, Flamus and Shelfie.
A what? Yeah.
That's your team. That's like a lot of firepower
for the team. 95th in the world.I was here to say passionate
about 10. Still listed, yeah.
(01:04:13):
Also on Valve, on Valve rankingsbigger 106th Yeah, so but I
think yeah, no, it's it's impressive to create a bad team
where you've heard of all 5 of that players, I felt.
Like, yeah, I think Amcal might be the one because that that's
their genuine ranking. And I do, I have.
Yeah, yeah, it's. Amcal Oh no.
Hotu Hotu alone. Rooster Oh wait no, that's a
(01:04:36):
different version of Hotu. Fucking why is this the thing?
Just yeah, remove the old version.
I've seen I've seen three back clicks as well man fucking
silly. Oh you could.
You could also cheat and pick animpact roster.
That is cheating. I don't.
I don't. I don't condone that.
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah.
Can't say fairer than that. I mean, it's got to the point
(01:04:57):
where we're, we're scrolling down HLTV looking for bad teams.
I think it's probably time we wrap this thing up.
Well, it's time to go. No, don't do that again.
I didn't like it. Don't do that again.
Wrap this thing up. You got anything else to say?
I don't. I have, yeah.
I wanted to have a closing statement, but I'm not clever on
(01:05:18):
asking Apple one, so yeah in. The world.
In the world of Counter Strike perverts, right?
You've got the stats, you've gotthe soft on, then you've.
Got the and roll the outro. Sorry.
Carry on, carry on. Sorry, I had to.
(01:05:39):
Do gangster Sir Cub. Right.
I've been Sam, he's been Elliot,he's been Jack.
Charlie's from some medicine. James, from now we're passing
off farewell.
Molla Deuter, Furia has proven to be one of the best moves
maybe of all time in Counter Strike, but I'm here to talk to
you and ask what is the worst roster move in Counter Strike
history? Device to NIPI.
Mean who's that worst for deviceor NIPI?
(00:25):
Yeah, well, good to hear. Probably, but it it could have
been everything. It could have been awesome.
It could have made never a serious threat.
And I just don't think Koreas have recovered since You can,
you can, you can notice all you want, but I, I, I do think that
had it worked out how they got brought on a little bit earlier
(00:46):
as well, that team could have been really, really good.
And we'll ever, we'll ever get to see it because, because it
died. I do feel like the real answer
is probably putting every move cloud 9 made for about 18 months
after winning the major onto a dart board and just throwing a
(01:07):
dart at it and seeing where you land.
Vanessa. Because no.
But there's so many though. Yeah, there is, There are, there
are some horrendous. A little bit like like liquid
kind of in the last, like when they first lost a Liege, the
sort perhaps. You read my era.
They were interesting. Brain waking liquid shocks.
(01:28):
Liquid shocks is bad. Really.
Bad You want to have a low key bad one that really flies under
the radar? When outsiders won the major and
then cut Norbert for Chiron, like yeah they were OK.
You you can say though they didn't deserve to win the major.
They were like 5th or 6th in theworld and they cut like Norbert
(01:48):
for Chiron and were just rough fish.
And Norbert did have a pretty good major as well, which is.
Yeah, hear me out. It's a good point.
I'm. Hearing.
Phase signing Jacob. It's not been good.
It has not been good. What about phase signing Beema?
So that was pretty. Good phase signing Cold zero I
think. Oh, Phase Cold 0.
(02:10):
Yeah. That that sucks a major there.
Complexity. Cold zero.
Also bad. Yeah, Complexity.
JKS Complexity. Poison where they just threw him
under a bus and said he didn't practice or paying him.
Wow I I paying him that? Fortune.
His yeah, I think, you know, he did 'cause that himself by not
(02:32):
practicing. Fanatic to Cosmo.
Oh. Topical downfall.
Very topical fanatic. Yes.
There is a correct answer to this, and that is I think this
week it was confirmed Boros has gone back to Gigi Howe.
And this isn't necessarily the worst move to Gigi Howe,
(02:52):
although it's probably not ideal.
It's a terrible move for Boros, who not long ago bought himself
out of his contract to Gigi Howeand has now crawled back to them
with his tail between his legs. He pulled.
That out, whatever he had left from his his Falcons money went
into this buyout. No, Jack.
(03:15):
OK, maybe not every lad. That went on luckers long ago.
Like let's not fuck about it. I was going to say what he
earned from Falcons Falcons is adrop in the ocean.
Like like he could use 1% of hisFalcons money and that would be
that would buy him out of this contract 40 times.
But like, do you think Gigi Howard buying it much?
(03:37):
Well, he went to Falcons, but hewent to Falcons after the Paris
Major. He probably was on an OK amount.
He'd have been on money. Yeah, yeah, but he was meant to
be like. It's more the fact that he's
shit though. Oh, he's fucking wank.
Oh, he is terrible. Because he was a Monty.
He was a Monty. Wasn't he a Paris right?
(03:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
He's. Already signed bro to replace.
Freaky team was wrong. They signed bro to replace a low
key pretty good. Yeah, this is the like the worst
move all time from a player perspective.
I've never seen anything like this.
This is amazing. He has he has spent money to to
(04:19):
take a time off. It's like having a player
manager career on in FIFA, Yeah.And this is the kind of jamming
you do for yourself. It's awful.
Awesome. Yeah, Well, well, I teased it in
the intro a little bit with, youknow, that's enough about Boris,
to be quite honest. I want to talk about Gigi
however again. So we'll go back to one of the
(04:49):
best Russ moves all time. We'll talk about what happened
at Blast Rivals in Hong Kong. Chef Lapcock.
Is Moladoy, Where do you put Moladoy in terms of best players
in the world? Now he's.
Definitely Rookie of the year. He's definitely rookie of the
year and he's almost certainly the 4th best offer in the world.
(05:17):
Question mark like he's I'm. Going to do it from my head.
He's. Very.
He's very. Close, I think.
I don't. I don't spoil anything.
OK, Jack, Jack, Jack, wait. Go ahead.
Do opera first. Where do you put him in operas
and then do players? OK, so round about in the script
(05:40):
I'm writing, I do say he's the second best Orpa whose name is
tighter than them, but he keeps beating that of a guy, which he
does so kind of better than Monosy.
That might also be because he literally has the best stats of
ORP versus ORP, yeah. He does that too.
(06:00):
He's he's a better orpa than Zaibu.
OK, because Zaibu is kind of hybrid, right?
I would say it's probably only Monosy and Shira that that are
that that can can compete with him and and he's had the better
of Monosy several times so. I'm I'm not convinced he's a
(06:21):
better open than Zoe. He's more he OPS more than Zoe.
OK. I'm not convinced he's better
than Zoe. OK, so Elliot, if you think he's
a better? Open than Zoe, you think he's
the best open in the world? Have you been on Moladoy's page
or TV profile at all before asking this?
Don't go on it. No, no, I haven't.
OK. Because we did this before with
(06:44):
a discussion with, I think it was towards the Inshiro we were
talking about. Yeah.
So past three months, all matches, What's Moladoy's
rating? 1.26. 1.17.
Is that all? Yeah, this is the thing, right?
(07:05):
Moladoy is very good when he when there's an orph in his
hand, he's extremely dangerous. OK, I I see the, I see the point
you're making. There is a slight danger of
overrating him though, especially when Fioria very
heavily rely on getting an Orph in his hands, and this is where
(07:29):
you know he'll never be close toXywu as a player because Xywu is
putting up consistently better numbers with like an Orph half
as often. I think the fact.
That he also is an excellent rifler.
Yeah, that's the thing. Mollusy is also a better rifler.
(07:51):
I think Molladoy is helped by how flashy he is.
I think he's helped by how many or for your jewels he goes to
like goes forward. I think that helps on a
narrative basis, but. I think so.
That is, that is also that is a skill no other or perhaps or not
no other or perhaps but other Opas are struggling with at the
(08:12):
moment. And that's actually in some ways
is more pertinent to put, like if you can shut down Monosy and
Zai Wu consistently. I mean or.
You are more effective. I know Orphe.
Orphe has. Never really been that much of a
thing like. No, I agree, but he's not can
shut them down. But look, he did shut down
Monosy quite a bit in the final.He's honestly was not as good in
(08:37):
the final as he was in the othergame.
His his flashy confidence plays is very reminiscent of prime
simple. It it is and there hasn't been
an office since prime simple that has the the BDE, should we
say like that? I don't think so.
These kind of crazy players. Can we can we go back a second?
Yeah. What do you mean?
(08:57):
Monosy wasn't that good in the final Elliot.
He did win the NB. Yeah, I know, but I didn't think
he was as good in the final as he was in the other.
Game honestly went 91 and 74 andhad a 1.3 rate and he was the
highest rated player in the final.
Yeah, but I don't know. I watching it, I didn't think he
was quite as impactful purely because he just couldn't.
(09:18):
I don't know, maybe I'm. Maybe I'm.
No, he was visibly very impactful.
I think he might have been half asleep.
It's possible. One that one.
Half away. I think it's because the map I
started watching was Nuke where he was actually quite poor, but
then after. That I just.
Had. Yeah.
And then after, after that, he was.
(09:40):
He was. Like he had a, he had a 1, he
had a 142 at the event as well. Like that is free cash.
So yeah, no, this is incredible.Sorry.
Yeah, I was thinking about Nuke.Moloto wasn't in the highest
rated players at the event. Actually, he was not on top
eight players. And this is the thing about
Molar Doy, right? Is that because of his style?
(10:02):
It's hard to go a game where he doesn't look great.
But Molloy didn't look great in that Nuke game either.
But he really did not look good in that Nuke map.
It was only training Mirage where he actually came alive.
And so whilst I think that maybebecause of that style, maybe you
(10:29):
can put him in the top three operas like it's.
It's a style thing, right? It's, it's what you.
Yeah. Yeah, he's still like.
Winning. It's hard to talk about when it
comes to like players though, right?
Yeah, it's much harder because you say like his skill, his main
(10:52):
skill as an opera is being an anti or, which is actually like
a really old school thing. I remember Allu used to be
praised a lot for this. It's like really old school and
fallen as well, actually was very.
Good. And the sort of like the combat
open style, right, less of the passive device Shiro open of
like, you know, angle holding and just hitting, hitting the
two, but actually being bit brawlier, a bit flashier, like
(11:13):
you said. Yeah, with somebody like Shiro,
like I mean even like Mollusy, who's sort of learnt to play
this way with a little bit of flashy, like they will always
out rating him. They will like Shiro will always
have a higher rating every year than Molad, but Shiro will also
not have those. Like he he won't be as explosive
(11:34):
as Moladoy. He he I don't think he would
have won train on his own in theway Moladoy not train.
Sorry, Is it train? Yeah, like Moladoy was like
everywhere on train and I don't think Shiro would have done it
in quite the same way. But then Shiro will win you
other maps in other ways and more consistently.
But like, I don't know, like there's a reason adding Moladoy
(11:57):
to this team, obviously Moladoy and Ukanda obviously adding
Moladoy to this team completely changed the way they play.
Like there's just so much betterwith him in the team because
they needed, they needed somebody to grab a game by the
bollocks and just win it. One of the intangible elements,
though, is like you're saying, right, the way they've had to
(12:18):
restructure their team to to to accommodate him has also brought
the best out of Kiturao and Yuri.
They can play that like half look style and their their
closing potential. It's it's just that it's on
rounds where the impact's not there from Ukanda, from Poland
and and and and Mullaboi. You still got like Kiturao's
(12:38):
probably one of the best clubs players in the world, right.
He's up there with with Rob. So I would say it's just it's
just the team competition. I think, you know, it's like it
would be the best open on a teamthat's not winning, right?
Like like Falcons don't win. But Monosy is obviously very,
(12:59):
very good. One of those not statistically
as good as Monosy, but he's won four out of the five last events
he's played that Do you know what I.
Mean. Yeah, which it's.
It doesn't. You have to ask the question.
Yeah, you have to ask the question, is Molladoy having
more impact than his numbers suggest or is just the team
composition more important, which I know Sam is going to
(13:21):
agree with. Yeah, I think it's definitely
OK. For what it's worth.
I also think like I think it's really easy to underrate furious
rifle firepower, yes as well. Like I know sometimes Ukandar
will be further down the scoreboard because he takes all
of opening jewels that he might lose or or whatever because he's
(13:43):
just a naturally exceedingly aggressive player.
I think he takes like, what was it like the second highest
amount of opening jewels in the top?
I don't 10 or whatever. I don't know.
I don't know what it is now. I know there was a point in time
where he was averaging like 34%.He takes years ago, he takes
something like 30 or 31% now. Yeah, which is insanely.
(14:07):
High but like you kinderman, some of his CT holds a
ridiculous like the timings he finds like even when he's doing
like mid to late round aggression as well.
Like was it just on an E map? Like there was one in the
Chengdu final on the overpass CTpistol where he was just, he was
(14:33):
outside long and has just decided to walk up it and then
killed two or three from doing that.
Like there's all these aggressive moves that you kinda
makes at the moment. He's just making better than
anyone else. And then Kaeser Arter and Yuri.
Maybe there was a little doubt about Yuri at a time.
(14:53):
Definitely there was. But like they are, he's.
So much better now. They are both exceptional
riflers like especially Kaeser. Ohio and Fallen as well is by no
means sandbagging even when he'slike doing it intentionally to
support the other team mates. So I think when you do compare
him to someone like Falcons, youcan look at Nico Kosuke kicks
(15:17):
and and test sets. How do you think it probably
balances out? Is Case all right on top five,
top five right player? Right now, yes.
I think, I mean, I think at his peak, yes as well.
Like there was a point. Yeah, yeah, at his feet.
Do you remember like remember before the Rio major where he
was like he was legitimately like one of the best players in
(15:39):
the world and fury were awful like yeah, Fury were like
scraping like top 15 in the world and que Serato was on like
a 1.3 like he was absolutely insane.
Like Que Serato is incredible. Yuri like like when Furio were
like burst onto the scene, it was Yuri Caserata that was Yuri
Caserata. Yuri Caserata.
(16:00):
That was all anyone talked about.
Yuri went completely off the boil for a long, long time.
Now in this team, I think as as Jack mentioned, like the the
team structure has allowed Yuri to have a little bit more space
where like in the sort of positions he wants and more
passively and he's a completely different player.
(16:20):
He looks they make both twice asgood.
Like extremity sides. So they're basically playing the
the identical role into the two side, generally just on the
other side, different side of the map, which is, is is
allowing them both to have the same potential impact, right?
Yeah, I think, I think it is just part of the strength of
this Fioria team Is that like role for role?
(16:44):
It might actually be the most, what's the word?
Well structured. Yeah.
Well, most well structured or most well balanced?
No, I want to say like idealistically structured.
Right. If if, if that makes sense to
(17:04):
you guys like you like do you remember when that going back to
that like Patsy Rainwaker, horrid Liquid roster where it
was like, OK, we've got 2 exceedingly aggressive players,
2 exceedingly passive players and then OC just like being
somewhat shit in the middle of it.
Yeah, there's no part of that with this team.
If someone needs to go, they go.If someone needs to chill, they
(17:27):
chill. And like, even Yukinda has these
moments of like, all right, I'm going to wait before I RIP this
fucker's head off where I actually do just think in that
sense, like, at least in the waythat, you know, I view a fucking
Counter Strike team should be put together.
Fury is just the perfect realization of that.
(17:51):
Which is weird because nobody thought that when this team was
made, right? I think if you take if you took
the the the names and the faces away and you just had them as
like blank avatars of how they've hit the game, I think
you're right, Sam, Like this is how a lot of people would
ideally strike, build a team. Yeah, and I think that's, it
(18:13):
both allows them to thrive and shine, but it's also it, it also
is the reason they do to a degree as well, right.
It gives them space to to perform, but also helps them
perform. Well, I think one of the one of
the more interesting parts aboutthat as well is I did a
interview for Blast with Yukindajust before Hong Kong.
(18:35):
And he said then that, you know,when they when they form the
team, they base this new system on vitality system, which makes
sense because vitality themselves are very structured
and the roles are very defined compared to a lot of the top
teams we've seen in the past fewyears.
Like especially if you look at Flames, it's like the shining
(18:56):
example within that team. But I think, you know, a lot of
teams would have been doing thatand they just would have copied
it. What makes vitality work?
Let's just do that. I think Fury genuinely did
improve on it because it you know, I saw something earlier
about how Apex averages like each flash or whatever fuck it
(19:16):
is. He's he's the best of over stats
over 3 seconds over 3 seconds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't.
Remember what I saw it, it was like 3.15 seconds enemies.
Was it enemies 5 per round? OK, yeah, cool.
Fallen is still getting impressive stats, but Fallen in
this team is also more selfless than Apex's in Vitality and I
think another. Thing depends on apex more
(19:40):
getting getting. Well having impact well this
yeah, this is the thing right Solike if you look at Mirage the.
Expectation is there, I should say, yeah.
If you look at Mirage CT side, what is the what is the linchpin
of that map on the CT side, a connector who plays there on
Vitality Apex? And this is this is the problem
(20:00):
right? Apex, the anchoring, just apex
so. Isn't a bad con player, he's
actually quite good because the way he plays in con allows him
to activate Rock Sai Wu and Flames on the A site, but
there's a big difference where Ican't remember exactly who plays
there. For fucking Fury, I imagine it's
(20:20):
Kesarov. I think it's on.
I think it's your. Kinder.
I think it's your kinder for Fury.
It might be. I think it for Kesarovo, I'm
pretty sure is an A anchor. Moladoy's obviously window.
Think you're a shade. Oh he is OK.
I thought quesarato is usually like the big site anchor.
(20:43):
No, he did that. For a time.
Susan Con for mouse and various con No, sorry, a donker's con,
obviously, per. But.
Spirit. So it's normally you're so top
rifler, right? Yeah, being Apex is interesting.
So this is the thing. Well, I mean there was a few
Alexi there. Alexi played con for a while.
Chewie, I think also played, I think Chewie did play con and
(21:06):
mouse as well. So the, the, you know, there's,
there's players who have done this, but how do you just think
that makes such a big difference?
And I think it's probably something Vitality might also
benefit from in the long run because, and I I think I put
(21:30):
this in the deep dive, which will be out a few hours after
this podcast comes out. I think I put it in there and I
know it's definitely in something that me and Jack have
been working on. The difference in Fallen and
Apex's roles are staggering. Like Fallen is sacrificing
pretty much everything for the team.
(21:51):
They share 2 roles and I think they're both.
On the CT side though, not Teesside, right?
Yeah, sorry, she decide. Yeah, Teesside.
Yeah, it's even more extreme. Yeah, yeah.
And CT side, what was it? It was overpass and ancient.
Just because it's worth having. They share B rotate on overpass
(22:24):
on CT and B support on inferno. So yeah, not anchoring but not
exactly high impact spots either.
But compared to like Paul and being a Bianca and and Apex
being the con player on Mirage, Apex on Nuke.
Yeah. He plays cave on ancient as well
(22:46):
so. Yeah, like this is, this is the
thing. Like I think when you look at
that, you can see how Fury are in really good form, but they
are also a really, really good team.
And you can look at the firepower of Falcons or like the
the two players who actually know how to shoot things on
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Spirit right now, though I seem to remember tonight having a
couple of good games in Hong Kong.
And like, the firepower on Vitality, whatever.
There's a lot of firepower on this Fury team.
And it's also just built incredibly well.
Like they are the number one team in the world because they
actually do deserve to be. And yeah.
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I'd just like to say you you used to be a big Ukinda hater,
so it's nice to see you come around to the the right side of
history. Well I hated him when he was
shit on liquid right? And also I hated watching him
play. Ukinda, your time on Liquid does
not count. Let's talk about something else.
Let's talk about Falcons. They were the other team in the
grand final. They can't win an event.
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No, but they are getting dangerous for close now they
are. I think it's, it's all it, it
will happen, right? It's just, will it happen in
Budapest? Yeah, Like, yeah, I should have
some reservations. No, no, I'm disagreeing with
you. And I do have some reservations
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about the team, though. Like I'm not.
I'm just not sure, like Nico hasdone the more passive things at
points in his career. Why are we like, I know someone
has to do it when these are the five players you have, but why
are we bothering doing this withTess says.
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And I know he gets impact more than his ratings suggests.
Sometimes his ratings are not good like.
It's it's a real shame because Ireally like Teta.
I right. I think Tetis is an absolutely
fantastic counter strike player and it's just such a shame to
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see him reduced to like being like Sticko.
Not even Sticko being tackled well he.
Actually, yeah, Taco. Yeah, yeah, he's like, he's
like, like he's reduced to Taco,like he's everyone's bitch and
it's so sad because he's so muchbetter than this, but.
He likes being. Bitch.
He likes being like, good for me, a semi, a semi bitch.
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He likes being like, you know, he likes being a role player.
He doesn't like being like underthe foot.
He doesn't. Feel like he likes being a bitch
player but this is the wrong type of bitch player.
Yes, yeah, exactly. That's what that's what I'm
trying to say. And it is ultimately just going
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to do him on the roster. Like I think maybe I said it on
the podcast last week, bit 2 Falcons in brackets or whoever
else replaces Tessa's is going to be the big roster move that
happens in a month's time. That will be the big move of the
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winter. And it just it is a guarantee.
And I think it's a guarantee even if they win Budapest
because Falcons at this point are so ridiculously close and
they could get over the line with Tesses.
So what can they do with someonebetter than with Tesses?
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Yeah. Like the best tesses in the
world. Are we deciding that that Tesses
prefers soft Dom over over hard hard Dom?
Yeah. Is that is that Astana?
He's on Falcons. He prefers Fin Dom when like.
Thank you very much. There's like. 15 teams that
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Tessa's can like reasonably go to anywhere there's.
At least half of that. Honestly, there's loads of teams
that would be improved by Tessa.Do you know the first one?
I'd say that would be improved. Because I've got an idea in my
head. I have a feeling you could guess
who I would say phase. Exactly what I was doing,
(27:10):
exactly what I was going to say,Phase tesses.
I'm so on board. I'm pretty sure Elliot, if we
were to go back to one of the first podcasts we did together
this year, there will be a clip of one of me or you or both of
us. I don't know who brought it up
saying Tesses is the long term rain replacement.
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Interesting. I don't.
Remember saying confident One ofus would have said that, but I.
Love Tessa. So I, I would have been on
board. I don't think I would have said
it, but I would have been on board.
I I Maybe Tessa's. Maybe I said it then because
like it's, you know, it's alwaysbeen obvious that like the the
call they signed from heroic wasnever going to survive.
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So at some point Tessa's and Dexter had to go.
Dexter's replacement was obvious, Tessa's is less so.
And where do you where'd you puttesters?
After that, he's just rain. Maybe he is too good.
He's just rain. You're right.
But he I kind of like Nip as well though.
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Nip, Goodall, get that shift. If you've been off U Dicks and
have him him shift yeah I think.That's yeah, I kind of like it.
I kind of like it, I'll be honest.
Like that is what I mean. He's such a good plug and play
player. But yeah.
Like he's such a good plug and play player.
You can put him on so many teams.
I think he helps. Like I think he helps, so he
helps Liquid, but that's not really their problem.
But like obviously he helps Heroic, he helps game of Legion.
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Like when 100 Thieves sign GamerLegion, they can just eventually
kick one of them and bring in Tessa.
So then you've got Rain and Tessa.
So he's got a nasty duo. Like he obviously improves any
team outside of the top 20, evenif they have to convert to
English. Like like Fanatic, he'd be
amazing. Like he'd be so good on Fanatic.
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I would love to see a pack of fucking tesses and blame.
FI do you know what do you know what I actually want from?
I want Tesses to go to NA and just farm like a 1.6 rating for
three months. Like I just because he's he's
not going to allow just. To have fun.
Yeah, yeah, he's not allowed. He's been like so downtrodden on
this team. Go do the Magisk thing where you
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just go to NA. He's been playing, just farm an
insane rate. Brilliant.
Exactly. He's been playing around with
some. Freedom.
He's been playing her round ball, he needs to go play some
halal ball in for MAT. Soccer.
Yeah, for. Sure bro went to *** and he just
like he just farms racing out there.
It's. It's so it must be so.
Fun. This is what happens to
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basically any EU import to NA aswell.
Yeah, except. Unless he's fucking rubbish or
or or SUS but you just get to just get to run around.
How about, and I don't know who you put him in for, but G2, Tess
says. I feel like he he, I feel like
he is kind of G2 EI don't know who you put him in for but.
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Well, you wouldn't like the answer.
Elliot Yeah. Why haven't?
Pretend. Pretend you didn't say that one.
Right, hang on, hang on. Maub's IGL era we.
Move on. Now let's talk about Nico.
He had a rough final, he had a very rough final.
He he he tends to more often than not lately, which is.
(30:25):
So this is the thing, right? Because I, I brought this up
because obviously there's the whole choco thing and Thoren was
calling people like smooth brained in cells or whatever.
It's a bad. It's a bad name.
There's bad name. But it's kind.
Of Choco. Choco is stupid.
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Like it is stupid. There are a lot of finals he has
played exceptionally well in, including a major final.
Don't. They don't matter if you don't
come, if you don't win, that do.They wasn't he like, no, no,
hang on, hang on. Wasn't he?
Oh, you. Oh, you mean the, the the one
where he choked the the eagle shot?
Yeah, that one. OK, like I say, the cloud
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normally was. Terrible.
He played. He played really well until the
round where it mattered, when they could have won.
Yeah, he played really well until he lost the game.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot more rounds in a map of Counter
Strike. Two of them.
Yeah, yeah. But anyway, like, because, oh,
he he didn't choke. He only choked the one important
round. Yeah, but he did choke.
But he did. But he did.
He missed the Deagle shot that he would hit 100 times out of
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100 like normally. Right, it's a nonsense point I.
Can't talk about. Inevitably.
But anyway, it's always been a bit of a stupid narrative until
like maybe until he joined Falcons.
Honestly, I don't think he's fixed.
He's not been particularly good in finals on Falcons, Like a
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lot, actually. A lot of important games on
Falcons. Nico is the one struggling.
It's almost like he's just not got the bollocks for it, has he?
So I so I don't think he used tobe a massive choker.
He used to, but he like phase did choke quite a few finals.
There's a reason like he wasn't necessarily the one trick, but
like phase did choke a lot of finals.
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He was poor in the last map of the major final that they
obviously should have won. And then like he now on Falcons
is starting to choke an important game where he like, I
actually don't think he necessarily did before, but his
teams often did, which obviouslythe G2 major final is not his
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fault. But like when you're being
called a choker and you have such a big moment like that
where you visibly like perform worse than you would normally
like he, that is a task he can do.
He. Like if he did that 1000 times
at home, I don't think he'd evermiss at home or in a group
stage. But he did miss because it was a
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major fight. Like, and I understand that that
would happen to a lot of players.
But like, when you have that, that sort of title and you do
something like that, it's like it's going to haunt you.
Of course. Yeah.
Well then also. Right, the major eluding him for
so long and I think we'll probably get to this as well
during the major runner. But being so close so many times
(33:19):
and never doing it. That does stick with you.
No matter how good your bloody sports therapist is or or how
bulkan you are and how how minimal your emotions are.
That does get to you. And it does probably the way a
little bit because every major he doesn't win, you know, he's
not going to have infinite majors amid chances.
Should I mean. Well, I think this is the main
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thing with with Nico at this point as to why I actually think
Nico might not win a major untilhe's an IGL Love it.
I think, I think, I think something might change when he's
an IGL, but I think at this point in his career, how his
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career is right now, you know, Boston and Antwerp, have I got
that the right way around? I always get Antwerp and
Stockholm the wrong way around. And no Stockholm.
Stockholm was Navi. Yeah, Boston, Stockholm, Rio and
not being there. Yeah.
(34:25):
Paris and how that happened and Austin and how that happened.
These are all things like, you know, we we all said for years
about like the mental damage Carrigan had from Boston.
And then, you know, hilariously,they lost Inferno in Copenhagen,
kind of like somewhat reinforcedthat.
(34:47):
But also it only reinforced thatif you decide you you want it to
because Carrigan has won a lot since then.
Yeah, Carrier has won a major, but we're.
We're talking about 5 separate occasions that will be like
seriously mentally damaging. And like I think that's why I
think the IGL thing because it'slike taking charge of it in a
(35:09):
different way. He needs to.
IGL he needs to be anchor his way to a major.
He and he like this Falcon. If literally if there was ever
ever A-Team Nico could be anchorhis way to a major.
It's a team with Monosy and Kosuke and probably soon bit,
but he actually could be out of this team and it would be fine.
(35:31):
Get rid of Kicksand and Tess says and he could be out of this
team, OK? We've obviously spoken a lot
about bit on Falcons, but let's say they were to get rid of
kicksand and he goes to our gel.Who else?
Was that exertion? Oh wait, no Falcons.
Hang on, so you. Why wouldn't you do that, Jack?
Why wouldn't you do that? Talk to me about geopolitics.
(35:54):
Let me think you've got you've got Nico is in game leader.
I'm thinking he's probably more like an Apex than a like entry.
So you probably need like a hardentry guy, right?
You probably need a guy like Tessa.
We've got Kaosuke do most of. Israeli That's that's really
bad. Yeah, I mean, Kaosuke can, but
(36:17):
like, I feel like he's probably in a few years their star rifle
rather than their hard entry. Why?
Do you get like they get punk aswell?
Yeah. Yeah, fuck it, let's get Dunk.
Yeah, move on. OK, Zai Wu zai Wu as a rifler.
Who else played at Rivals for usto talk about?
Then we've done it. Now we've got it.
Up in else matters, Yeah. I mean, there's kind of a thing
(36:37):
else matters. Like I don't want to talk about
pain or passion UA because I just don't deserve to be in the.
Playoffs. Yeah, those two teams.
Vitality we talked about last week, they're a bit vitality.
Spirit was a great game. That was a great game.
Filled with flaws, which kind ofreinforced what we've been
saying about both teams, but a great game to watch because of
those flaws. Let's take a break and we'll go
into something a little bit morelight hearted after this.
(37:00):
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
counter strike? I do, I took a weekend off and I
came back to six new IG LS3 retirements and apparently
that'll be waterfall. I got picked up by a top 20
team. Right, that's why I've been
relying on the TLDR newsletter. It's a biweekly e-mail that
keeps you up to speed on everything in the CSC without
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needing scroll. Read it for three hours while
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baby with your funniest friend who actually watches every game.
Yeah, quick hits of news, spicy officer moves, upcoming match
schedules, and even some insidergossip.
All killer, no filler. And let's be honest, some of
these tournament formats you need a guy just to figure out
(37:42):
who's playing who. TLDR breaks it all down so you
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Plus, it's funny. Like actually funny.
It's like reading a group chat between smart CS fans who roast
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So if your brain's full but yourheart still beats for Counter
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TLDR you don't have time to readeverything, you still want to
sound like you did. Welcome to a new section of the
podcast we're calling Go Days orno days.
(38:27):
This is where our I know the answers, but our 2 two other you
know my 2 Co hosts try and guesswhether these are real or fake
days tweets. If you've not been up to date
with days, I don't necessarily recommend it.
The guys, the guys. Do you mean you don't recommend
it? Yeah, fuck off.
(38:49):
This is how I go. Depending on the day, this is
how I finish. My day I go for.
OK OK but then they would know all the answers.
They would ruin the fun. First tweet from go days.
I'd like to say I made all thesescreenshots so all the numbers
at the bottom are the same so don't try and read into those.
I haven't slept while Joe Biden is in the office.
(39:12):
AKA Sleepy Joe stealing all my sleep in all caps.
Is this a go dazed or a no dazed?
When you say all the numbers, will they all say 12:00 PM June
1st 2021? Yes.
OK, cool. Because I created all of the
screenshots regardless of are we?
Buzzing in or or how? Do you want to do that?
(39:32):
You can, you can. You can collude.
I don't really mind. I think maybe we collude Jack.
I want to say. I want to say that the AKA after
all of the incredible Dazed Thoughts videos is.
I think that's a ruse. I think that's being put there
to to make us think it's real. I think this one is fake.
(39:56):
I've not seen many all caps dazed tweets so I'm going to say
no dazed. Yeah, no dazed.
Correct. Come on.
This was a dickle creation. We'll move on to #2 125916, the
(40:17):
numbers of my birthday. This this.
I've seen this somewhere else. I feel like this is also no days
and I don't want to give the context as to why, but it also
could be could be go days. Jack, I'm going to, I'm going to
leave this one up to you. It would be too obvious to have
(40:41):
a no days and the go days so I'mgoing to say no dazed again.
Correct, it is no dazed. This was also that to me screams
Dickle as soon as I read that. Yeah, obviously Dickle.
This one. This is go dazed.
I've seen this one I'm. Pretty sure final bosses joined
the game. TikTok TikTok TikTok TikTok
(41:04):
TikTok. This goes on forever. 99,999 X
Coca Coca combo. GG Barbs.
Could I in like a proper Mortal Kombat voice, Elliot?
Could I just get you to read outthat that line before GG barbs
again? I just, I just want to hear it.
99 thou 99,999 X combo. Yeah, that was that was good.
(41:31):
That's a go days that that is a go days correctly a three for
three so far 1 #4 how to activate good supercomputer plus
hang on 72,375,678 tempo in the mind
11111111111111111111111111111 open good supercomputer.
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I will say credit the dickle because they've all seemed,
which is why I asked him. But if I.
Asked. Oh no, You asked Elliot.
I asked Dickle. If I asked ChatGPT, I sent him
dazed Twitter and said generate me some tweets from this
account. This is how they could look.
(42:17):
So, so by that I mean it's very,it's very close.
I think I just feel like this one's a no dazed honestly.
But it's on brand, right? You can see how it could be.
Yeah, but it's also very on brand for Dickel.
I think for viewers and listeners, Dickel, former social
(42:40):
manager for TLDR, it's quite. And general mental case.
General menace to those around him.
Does share some interest I'm. Not sure he has a similar level
of mental. Fortune.
He enjoys salsa dancing and super computers, apparently.
(43:03):
I'm if you're saying I'm confident I'll also.
I just really feel like this one's a no dazed.
Yeah, honestly, like. Dragon's Den.
Yeah, fake, fake, fake is what they call called it.
It is a no dazed. Oh my God. #5 Now I didn't know
quite how to make this one into the screenshot so it's delete,
(43:25):
delete. And then there were there was a
video of him talk to the camera saying no I can't and I won't I
won't delete it all. I can't do it anymore.
He's done a lot of videos with him saying delete.
This in that in that case I'm just going to go go days based
off the context. It's either it's, you know, it's
(43:53):
a good fake, it's a genuine fakeor, or real.
And, and honestly, I'm not that expensive, so I, I can't tell
the difference. So I'll go go dazed.
It is a genuine fake. It is a fake.
Ha ha, what's it dickle again? I wasn't sure exactly how to.
I couldn't screenshot it with a video because the video didn't
exist, but even if we did I would probably have written it
like that anyway. Final one number six.
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Once evil SC supercomputer has Barbarians autonomy, they now
have control over physical vessels.
They're evil supercomputer will control their every action.
My theories, my opinions. I will let UIA decide.
G64. Go nose.
No questions, no nose. Correct, but.
Even different isn't that fuckedin the head?
(44:37):
I'm, I'm disappointed that we, we couldn't get the clean sheet,
but you know. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it was difficult because it was because it was
the the video curveball. You guys are go dazed
aficionados, it turns out. I hope let's know how you got
your viewers I. Hope your ears are cleansed
after that long, long chat aboutwhatever the hell we were.
(44:58):
Talking about that was good. We need to do that again.
That was fun, that was fun. But the problem is you spent.
You guys spent too long on. Oh, what if we do?
What if we do it with Chris Jay?Should we do it with Chris Jay
next or? Sick Just.
Scary images. Did they come from oboes
Twitter? Or not.
Yeah, you could do it with a bunch of pros, couldn't you?
(45:19):
We'll move on. Then.
We've got a couple of other small stories to talk about,
really before the end of this podcast, because it's on screen.
We'll do this one first. Silvio PGLCEO we at this hours
of several CS2 Tier One events in 2026 won't take place as they
missed the deadline for announcing the additional
details. None of the Star Ladder CS2 Tier
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One events in 2026 will take place.
The same applies are two of the three Fisher CS2 Tier One events
in 2026, Playground Four and Playground Five.
So far, there has been no Star Ladder announcement for any Tier
One event in 2027. Which is interesting, right?
Considering producer Charlie if you click on the next tab you
(46:01):
have open hours later Star Ladder posted this.
Yeah. I'm putting on my I love Rules
hat and doing a Sylvie Sylvie Sylvie cosplay.
Just shut the hell up man. It's it's all he does is tweet
about how everyone else is rubbish and evil.
All he said is we pay people so fast, which is good.
(46:23):
That's. Great.
By the way, it's the next tweet on his account.
But when that's your like, main redeeming quality is that you
pay people money they're owed a bit sooner than other people and
that everyone else, their eventsare not happening.
Like you said it with full chess, not that Starletter and
Fisher have not announced their events yet.
Will they take place? Question mark, which I would say
is a reasonable question. He's declared that they're
(46:46):
they're not happening. Yeah.
Yeah. So self-righteous, cringe and
bold. Well this is my issue with it
right? It's like why the fuck is he
doing that? Like why why is he there just
making these statements about over TOS like so.
(47:08):
So we discussed this in TLVR staff channels during the week
and our our overlord was speaking about, you know, ESL
monopolizing Counter Strike, which just isn't true by the
way, and how the ESL. Get ESL Monopoly from the ESL
(47:30):
shop the the board game. Didn't know that was a thing.
Fantastic. Yeah, and you know how ESL have
constantly undermined PGL or some of the fucking bullshit?
That also isn't fucking true. So what the fuck is that tweet?
Like why? Why is that deemed to be
(47:51):
something acceptable? Because this isn't acceptable.
By the way, this isn't someone taking a photo of a fucking HLTV
award medal. Which is perfectly fine to do by
the way, just to be clear. Do you mean the CS2 news ENMD?
PII do, yes. Yeah, that was so.
Sponsored by Dandon and and whoever else I don't know.
(48:13):
Ben Doyle. Yeah, I don't.
I don't know. I don't know if you have
thoughts on this, Elliot, but I don't mean Jack.
I don't. I've spoke about it.
Like I really don't think it's OK that are a different like he
he is the CEO of PGL and he's tweeting about Star ladder and
Fisher events not happening. But that's.
(48:35):
Just. Not OK.
There's no, there's no communication.
I learned on that. There is I I even before I had
very limited time to care about like the insurance and outs of
Counter Strike. There is there are a few things
I could not care about. I couldn't care about in like
the different Huds that different like companies use
(48:59):
that you should wind me up. People talk about that.
I couldn't really give a shit. About some of them are very ugly
though. Yeah, I don't care.
I couldn't really give a shit about tournament formats and I
absolutely 100% could not give ashit about tournament organiser
drama. I I just don't fucking care.
Just mind you fucking naked and shut the the.
(49:19):
The bigger issue though is that no other TO has a mouthpiece or
or a person right like like EFG has Julie and Mark Winter right
They generally like Will. Post things and ask questions.
What's his name? Not the Polish fella.
Carmack as well. Yeah, we have.
Carmack Yeah, yeah. Like the people, but they're not
(49:40):
dunking on other T OS they'd normally just like.
They they will only ever I'm talking about.
Questions or providing clarity to press reasons and stuff,
right, which I think is it's fine.
But again, they're not like they're not like industry
figures in they are obviously intheir paramount to the scene,
but they're not their brand is not what they do and also not
(50:04):
the CEOs. They're like the product
managers of stuff, right where it's like it's the the community
sentiment is like their direct responsibility in a way, right?
This show is like, meant to be like, you know, running the
whole business. See what I'm talking?
Shit. Pooping everyone else and again
bring it up again, PGLS Bio is innovative esports company which
(50:25):
I just think is like so unimaginative, especially when
their broadcast hadn't developedin the last two years since I
came back. Sorry, I just let's say how how
ironic it is you're saying oh ohthis other T OS shouldn't be
shitting on each other while ESLemployees a little PGL on that
innovative go on move on. But I'm not, you know.
(50:49):
Whatever. You're the mouthpiece of the SL
now, I'm afraid I am. I am.
We're. Losing a lot of money, probably.
What that mouth do? Let's move on to 100 Thieves.
Messioso has been named head of CS Operations and he wants to
get the best possible players that suit us.
I mean that is literally your job that that is, if I had to
describe what a head of CS operations has to do, it is get
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the best possible players that suit them.
Yeah, obviously read. VRS through books.
Obviously he then he then upset NA fans or something.
They probably got upset their NAfans are all pissed babies
because he was asked about, you know, NA teams.
Because wild cards seem to be blowing up again.
(51:34):
Which is unsurprising because that will.
They should get a player. From show they should probably
get fuzzy. I'm glad.
You agree with me because they definitely should.
Game engine core and fuzzy, and that's a really good team.
Where you know where Messioso basically said the to put words
into his mouth. The NA region ain't shit and I'm
(51:56):
not going to prop them up when they're bad.
Yeah, he said bye bitches as soon as that call and he was
like thank fuck I'm going to do all that dance bar anymore.
Yeah, basically and. It's still processing the fuzzy
suggestion. I can't believe Sam has agreed
that they should sign foesy. How many authors are available
(52:16):
that, like we know for a fact, can hang at Tier 1?
Ulzer, he could. Hang his He could hang his nuts
on Wallace's chin. Look, obviously he could, yes.
Yeah, I mean like. Charlie, he can't hang at Tier
1. He actually is just bad at Tier
1. Like I'd quite like photo but.
The whole name of them. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm putting
(52:39):
aside the fact that I like him as a guy.
I. Mean he'd still be like, he's
like, OK. As an author.
He'd be like my fourth choice, but he's safe.
I'm also sort of just sort of a bit baffled boys Jack calling
them a really good team if they signed the game a legion corps
and foes it. But based on what you're?
Getting rid of the the worst bitof game, a legion, which is
(53:01):
their offer. Yeah, but you are getting an
Orping upgrade. Or opening upgrade you are and
then you've got rain. Who's gonna have hands.
Probably be a decent idea. And he played the game for like
57 years, so. You've got a brand. 100 Thieves
aren't winning anything, but it'll be a fun team.
It'll be a team I think people will want to get behind.
(53:22):
Yeah, but that's very different to them being a really good
team. Well, I guess it depends on what
you want to. Call really good.
Which is what? Right, OK.
All right, fine. Yeah.
And they sell jerseys and, and, you know, clothing, which is.
What? Yeah, Remember that 100 Thieves
is a clothing brand. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not an esports organization, but I mean like, I
(53:42):
guess that's the relative term of really good, isn't it?
Like if they're consistently getting Tier 1 invites, are they
really good? Probably.
Yeah, I mean fine, better than RT.
When I hear really good team, when I hear a really good team,
especially from one of you two, I'm not thinking, Oh yeah, game
Allegiant with those. And Speaking of ORP upgrades on
(54:06):
really good teams, OG signed Cadian.
Why? Why did you do that?
Yeah, I mean, we talked about them signing flammers.
We talked about them signing flammers before, didn't we?
This was this was confirmed thisweek that OG Kadia and I just.
(54:27):
It just is going to be bad, isn't it?
So I I've been writing somethingfor a for a project that's not
yet live where I talked about this.
And my sort of devil's advocate argument was, so this OG team is
closer to the sort of teams thatKaden has been good on than the
teams he's been bad on. He's been really bad on teams
with big egos, big names like players who aren't like
(54:49):
Malleable. He was good on Rogue, he was
good on Heroic, where like they didn't really have these sort of
stand out big names and he was shit on North.
Until they developed egos and stabbed him in the back.
Exactly right. He was shit on North, shit on
Liquid, everyone shit on Liquid,everyone shit on North,
whatever. And he wasn't very good on
Australis but like OG Moore resembles the teams he's
(55:13):
actually been good on. What?
Was Caden on north? Did I just forget that?
Yeah, yeah, he was after basic London after N nearly lost to
Rogue to qualify for the major. Before heroic, OK, he was there
for. Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
He replaced MSL for a bit and then MSL came back.
(55:34):
And no, this was after MSL orpedso they needed an awe pyjel who
was dating it. Wasn't he benched for a long
part of that year? Quite possibly he wasn't very
good or not, but like, again, nobody won.
That was my sort of devil's advocate argument.
But the problem is that he just isn't very good on CS2.
But he just cannot. Yeah.
(55:55):
And he and he's like whole, his whole system that he's good with
relies on him or thing. Well, he's also playing in I
think Zai Wu and the amount thatother.
Is better than. Tier one offers actually off
shows that orping is maybe less important in Tier 1 and gawping
(56:18):
is very important in Tier 2. And three, well, you're not
getting flashed as much and you're not having a Molotov
thrown at every angle. You can fucking play.
It's it's. Considerably more powerful.
We're finding more star player orpers like Yamala Dois for
example, in these sort of TFT teams and we are riflers because
they stand. That way more as well.
OK but like you're saying orpingisn't as important in Tier 1 and
(56:42):
I know what you're saying because I woo rifles a lot.
Modesty rifles a lot. The top three orpers in the
world, let's say the top 4 orpers in the world are on the
first, second, third, and 6th ranked team.
It's pretty important. Is that because every team has
an author? What do you mean?
OK, but there's not there's. No team with like a like a
mediocre author who's. Who's I don't think, I don't
(57:05):
think either of us are saying that it it's not important.
You said it's not as important as Tier 1 and I'm not sure
that's true. I don't think it is as important
as tier one as it is at Tier 2. I'm not to.
Have a good author? No, it's just every team needs
to have a good author. Yeah.
And of course and of course, right.
(57:26):
And of course, the best teams have the best operas like with
OK. Yeah, but so it's so it's still
incredibly important because youneed to have the best offer to
be the. Yes, but these two things can
coexist, Elliot. Yeah, but it's still incredibly
important. But didn't, yeah.
So it was just as important. As I said, it's not as important
(57:47):
as Tier 2. But it is demonstrably.
Really don't think it is. Bless me, I don't meet in time.
That's my I'm obviously having an alleged reaction to this
discussion, so I think we can move.
On like tier one teams, but tierone teams build around rifle
(58:08):
stars now more than you do orp stars Let's.
Just start building around porn.Stars Tier 2 teams, Tier 2 teams
don't do that because the ORP isstill so much stronger in Tier
2. It's wary 2 so our Tier 2
walkers struggle when they go upto tier.
One. That's why having.
A good offer is more important. Where are you calling Tier 2?
(58:30):
The teams like generally outsideof the.
Team 6. Like out.
Like where do you cut that off? Because I paint Tier 2.
No, no. I'd say 20 gentle mates and
below or below gentle mates. Yeah, it's somewhere.
(58:51):
It's somewhere between 18 to 24.OK.
I mean, even then I'm not sure Ientirely agree.
Like you've still got teams likeM80 and not Bill round there or
but Tyler would not bill round there or B8 and not Bill round
there or but fanatic and not bill round there or but NIPR.
Fair enough. Yeah, boom.
(59:13):
Fanatic, don't pretend to know. Yeah, Magnesia's is their best.
Plan Fanatic puts a lot into Jambo.
Nick put a lot into Wrinkle. But what I do, but they're also
they're clearly built around playing it.
Like is that what I mean? More is not.
Sure, that. The point, The point where
you're the point where you're playing majority of your time in
(59:33):
online games against the type ofopposition that me and you don't
give a fuck to be able to name in, right.
Like I in a circle played an event and did OK.
And I still don't know what any of the fuckers are because like
they instantly go back out of mybrain when they're not at an
event. Yeah, like when you're in these
type of games, you do get flash less, you do get Molotov less.
(59:56):
It's the reason why Nikka Dozi is so good at that level and
he's crap at Tier 1. So it's more important to have
someone who. Can I think that's I think
that's throats. I think that's the I actually
think it's less important then because there's no flash bang.
You don't actually need to be any good.
It's actually less important smoothly.
I can do it. You can just just.
Go you have to hit the shots if it.
(01:00:17):
Might think to or fix. Do you think also it being more
online it's here too has an effect?
Yeah, of course online does benefit riflers because the
extra. Yeah, but then, but then I'm
saying the difference in OPA makes online, right?
And OPA, who's good online? You know the more than.
(01:00:38):
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Yeah, you see what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
OK so who's OG spear? Who are they going to get?
Because it's not Cypher, apparently.
Yeah, they're apparently practicing.
This is our last story of the day.
So we the cypher apparently was practicing with OG which they
tweeted out being like it was nice to practice with you I
guess after he joined 500 which is Compass.
(01:01:03):
How do we always end up talking about this fucking team?
What like this is? The 3rd or 4th podcast we've
done this on now. Cipher man, I like you, but you
are you do have a thing from thedeadest teams man, you are a
proper necrophilia. This is this is this is a
fucking horrendous decision. What are you doing?
(01:01:25):
What are you? I like but stop making decisions
like this. At least it's only on loan until
the end of the season. Yeah, but come on, I know.
We all know what that means. Well, the.
Five hundreds of them. Obviously 500 is a GAMBLING
SITE, right? Do they just have like mad
money? Oh right, does this team scream
(01:01:46):
mad money to ascend? Yeah, this is like they they
they built Galacticos here. The Galacticos 2016.
Fuck, your last Cirque is their orb.
Oh, yeah, Tier 2 you need, you need a great author in Tier 2.
We've got fucking Cirque. Galactico is what otherwise
known as the players stuck in circus orbit.
(01:02:06):
What I'm saying is OG probably have a better chance of being a
good team, which which is said with greater teeth while
Kenton's there. But if he's, if they, if father
said yeah, play for three months, we'll give you like, I
don't know. It's probably just Volt's,
probably just steamed Christmas.Do you remember how fun it was
(01:02:27):
when we won the game? Yeah, it's gone.
Yeah, it's probably also that. Did you play with campus before
as well or what? What weekend?
I mean, probably he's been on like every team.
He's been on every dog shit teamyou get.
Yeah, Yeah, he did. You're right.
Yeah. So he's played with a couple of
them before. He's probably done his mates A
favour. He's probably playing for free.
Yeah man, I like your Cypher. This is this is poor.
(01:02:48):
Please stop making moves. It is good that they've managed
to like 500 have managed to recreate Patsy and Rainwaker.
Goodbye, I tell you. What is it?
It's actually impressive to create a team that is 78th
ranked on the Valves ranking andI've heard of all five of their
player. Do you know what I mean?
Like they've created an extremely bad team out of
(01:03:11):
players I've heard. That's maybe we'll do something,
no. What's the?
Last I can go in, I've heard of all five players.
Yeah, like is there anyone worse?
Than this or I've actually heardof them.
X in a circle is 72. That's like old 9 but with
crowds. Now we need to go past 500, OK?
OK I've heard of all the GG how players but I shouldn't that
(01:03:31):
doesn't really count Metasport Neilan is on a.
Metasport or 82. Hang on, hang on 93 We talked
about this team before. Birds from Sky Chaos, Captain
Kirk and Bermalov. OK.
Nemesis O98 Nemesis. I only know who they are.
Well, like, yeah, this is the thing.
(01:03:51):
I only know who they are becauseI follow Nemesis.
I just like to say 9 Boom pro and 95th in the world on Valve
rankings and they've got Zorti, Axel, Flamus and Shelfie.
A what? Yeah.
That's your team. That's like a lot of firepower
for the team. 95th in the world.I was here to say passionate
about 10. Still listed, yeah.
(01:04:13):
Also on Valve, on Valve rankingsbigger 106th Yeah, so but I
think yeah, no, it's it's impressive to create a bad team
where you've heard of all 5 of that players, I felt.
Like, yeah, I think Amcal might be the one because that that's
their genuine ranking. And I do, I have.
Yeah, yeah, it's. Amcal Oh no.
Hotu Hotu alone. Rooster Oh wait no, that's a
(01:04:36):
different version of Hotu. Fucking why is this the thing?
Just yeah, remove the old version.
I've seen I've seen three back clicks as well man fucking
silly. Oh you could.
You could also cheat and pick animpact roster.
That is cheating. I don't.
I don't. I don't condone that.
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah.
Can't say fairer than that. I mean, it's got to the point
(01:04:57):
where we're, we're scrolling down HLTV looking for bad teams.
I think it's probably time we wrap this thing up.
Well, it's time to go. No, don't do that again.
I didn't like it. Don't do that again.
Wrap this thing up. You got anything else to say?
I don't. I have, yeah.
I wanted to have a closing statement, but I'm not clever on
(01:05:18):
asking Apple one, so yeah in. The world.
In the world of Counter Strike perverts, right?
You've got the stats, you've gotthe soft on, then you've.
Got the and roll the outro. Sorry.
Carry on, carry on. Sorry, I had to.
(01:05:39):
Do gangster Sir Cub. Right.
I've been Sam, he's been Elliot,he's been Jack.
Charlie's from some medicine. James, from now we're passing
off farewell.
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