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SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Dr.
Randy here with my co-hostOlivia Sache from the University
of uh Pennsylvania University.
I almost said put you to myschool.
University of Arizona VeterinarySchool.
SPEAKER_01 (00:18):
Thank you so much.
Bear down.
Happy to be here.
I have to remind them I'm fromArizona.
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Yep.
So we have a question from Tomin Philadelphia.
Tom asks about CBD, which is agreat question because it is all
over the internet.
And let's talk about that.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
Yeah.
So basically, Tom is a blogger,and his question has to do with
his inability to find researchon CBD and its effectiveness in
his pets.
And so he wants to know kind ofwhat are your opinions for it
and what are your indicationswhere you see something and you
say, you know, they wouldbenefit from CBD in this, if
any.
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
Well, you know, CBD,
it has been studied and not
studied.
I mean, there's a lot of uhGoogle information about CBD,
some good, some bad.
Um, I think there are morestudies needed still about its
effectiveness.
But we do see with the animalsthat um I treat that are my pet
parents or pet guardians haveused CBD, definitely a help in a
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number of different areas.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
And so can you
elaborate on the cases where you
think CBD is most helpful?
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Absolutely.
So I think the first one that Iwould allude to is pain and
inflammation.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
Um, I think CBD does
a really good uh job of reducing
inflammatory cytokines, whichreally modulates some of this
pain.
And studies and dogs have showndefinitely improved quality of
life on CBD uh for that specificproblem.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
That's interesting
because I think what I hear most
from pet parents using CBD iswhen they have anxious pets.
Yeah.
Do you think it's also warrantedin that case as well?
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
I do.
I do.
Okay.
Um CBD in that situation, um,I'm gonna look a little, but it
calms the nervous system uh viathe serotonin uh receptor
activity.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
That makes sense.
SPEAKER_00 (01:56):
So it really can be
useful for separation anxiety,
for aggression, for other typesof behavioral type issues.
And uh there definitely is,again, a gut-brain connection.
So we work a lot on the otherthings that we've uh often
talked about.
Yes.
But the CBD can be very helpful.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
No, and that's a
great point as well that again,
the microbiome has so manyimplications, not only in gut
health, but you were talkingabout the brain barrier as well.
Right.
And so that's another avenuethat they can use to help with
that.
And then can you kind of touchon why we might reach for CBD
instead of some of our othermedications?
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
Yes, absolutely.
So um, you know, medications aremedications and they're not
without side effects.
Um, some of like, let's say, thepain medications we were talking
about, osteoarthritis or painmanagement, you know, the NSAIDs
we call them.
This would be Deramax, Rimidil,carprofen, vetprofen, uh,
maloxicam, these are very goodmedications for pain, but they
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also have secondary sideeffects.
SPEAKER_01 (02:52):
Are we talking about
the liver and kidneys?
Yes, we are.
SPEAKER_00 (02:55):
We're talking about
the liver and kidney.
So if we can get away with uhsupplements and things like CBD,
we're definitely way ahead ofthe game uh versus having to use
those on a constant basis.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
No, and that makes
sense, especially because we
already have as for example withcats, we already have a lot of
cats that have kidney issues.
And so we're already dealingwith that.
And if they have pain inaddition to that, it can be
really difficult to try tomitigate that with pain
medications like Rimidil thatare going to have those side
effects.
Absolutely.
So that's maybe where we wouldgo on CBD to try to help.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
Absolutely.
And I want to mention uh anotherthing about CBD, which is really
important.
Um, CBD is made from hemp, thehemp plant.
And hemp plant in the wild isbasically something that just
draws all kinds of toxic thingsout of the environment and it's
soil that it's in.
The biggest problem that we'reseeing is everybody, and excuse
my friends, the mothers of aremaking CBD.
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And the reality is that ifthey're picking hemp that's been
around fields sprayed withglyphosphate or roundup, this is
a very, very large problem.
Veterinary schools are now doingbiopsies on dog and cats' livers
and looking at uh the amount ofglyphosphate or roundup, and
they have found 30 times theamount that should be allowable
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in livers in in animals thathave passed away.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
That is insane to
me.
It's only my 83rd day of vetschool, so we haven't done we
haven't done that yet.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
Luckily you know
that specifically.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
I looked it up the
other day.
Yeah.
But that's good to know.
Maybe that's coming, and andthat's really interesting.
Are there other avenues of ofglyphosphate getting into our
pet patients?
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
Yeah, we think that
there are very large levels of
glyphosphate sneaking into ourpet's kibble.
You'll hear me often talk aboutnot using a kibble type diet.
Right.
One of the reasons is that theother reason is that it's just
so super processed, you know,heated at crazy temperatures,
and we get these AGEs oradvanced glycolation end
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products.
All of these things are notimportant to you guys, just to
know that we'll take care ofthem.
We'll talk we'll talk aboutdiets at some other point and
what kind of what to do and whatto not to do.
But what I'm mentioning, the CBDas far as the hemp plant, really
be specific on where you get itfrom.
Right.
I am a huge proponent and and Idon't work for her, but Dr.
Fossum uh is at the Western UhReserve University up in
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Phoenix, and she developed herown uh CBD product.
It's very, very it's airpurified.
There's a certificate ofanalysis on and quality control
on every batch done.
So Dr.
Fossum CBD, take a look at thatif you're going to use one.
That's one I definitely couldrecommend.
Dr.
Fossum is what?
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
Yep.
I love it.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Perfect.
And then our last question umhas to do are there any side
effects or anything we shouldlook for when administering CBD
to our to our patients?
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Yeah, some animals
will often get, uh, depending on
the dose response, will oftenget very sleepy or lethargic on
it.
Right.
Um, I don't really see a lot ofother side effects.
That's most commonly what wesee.
If your animal is getting thaton the dose you're giving,
you're giving too much.
So we really want to back off alittle bit to make sure that we
don't overdo it with anythingthat we're doing, even
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supplements.
SPEAKER_01 (05:59):
Right.
Okay.
Well, thank you.
Sure.
That was a very complete answer.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you guys for joining us.
Um, for more information, we'recoming out with content every
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Randy has an Instagram at Dr.
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SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Perfect.
Um, you can follow him on there.
New videos are gonna come out.
Also, YouTube, same handle formyself.
I have Instagram at Dr.
Sochi.
Um, and we hope to see you guysnext week.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
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And remember, pass thisinformation on to your friends
who have pets because we want toget as much of this information
out to our pet parents andguardians.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thanks.