Conversations at D&A 2023

Join in as CODA's Pawel Rybczynski speaks to a number of CODA Partners at the 2023 Decommissioning and Abandonment conference in Perth Western Australia.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome listeners to the very first episode of
plugging away. Code podcast where we look to
invite members of industry to discuss all things
d commissioning in Australia, and globally.
My name is Pavel,
brand and communications specialist dakota. And what follows
is a collection of conversations between Code and
partners, conference exhibit, as well as other industry

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stakeholders at this Year's Dna conference in Perth,
West Australia.
We begin with a conversation between myself and
Tommy Angel, founding director of offshore network.
Welcome. Welcome. I'm really, really happy to be
sitting down with you. If you'd potentially like
to just start off with what's your name?
Sure. Are you work for.
Absolutely. So, yeah, I'm Tommy Angel I'm the

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founding director of offshore network. And we are
the
organization who arrange the global series of d
machining an abandonment conferences and as of right
now. We're coming to due from the d
abandonment
summit in perth, Western Australia.
Yeah. It's it's been really, really fun.
Huge turnout out. From my knowledge, it's doubled

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in size since the last year. Yeah. Absolutely.
So it's fantastic that we're seeing. Yeah, year
on year growth and doubling of size and
the interest in thing is now about d
is this is what we're seeing in other
parts of the world as well. So last
month, I was at our d and Abandonment
Summit in Houston, Texas.
And again, that had grown a hundred percent
year on year, and likewise here in

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in perth.
And these are very separate at markets, but
I think what it shows is that the
world as a whole is thinking about d
as a reality and an aggressive reality, both
regulations in
regulators in in Houston And over here in
Australia are pushing direct timelines.
And it's really the first time

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know, in our sort of 10 years of
of running late life, oil and gas conferences
that we've really seen definitive deadlines driving this
forward. And I think that's what we're seeing
here and likewise in Houston.
So, yeah. So you think that's the main
driver of of the growth recently.
Do you do you see it continuing like

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this? I do. III think at the moment,
especially here in
in Western Australia, and in Australia as a
whole actually, this will be the first time
going through d conditioning cycle. So at the
moment, it's still very much a planning stage
to execution in places like Houston, the
post
hurricane katrina, they had gone through 1 d

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cycle so they had the ideas of onshore
recycling, heavy lift, all of some of the
things that we're maybe struggling with a bit
here and infrastructure wise.
They already had that in place. Whereas here,
it's it's kind of a first time, so
we're hearing a lot more about, you know,
what... How do we recycle on shore and
how are we going to overcome that and
1 regulator handing over to another if it's

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a marine or an onshore
related
hand and and x of that. So it's
interesting, seeing it for the first time here
and the second time out in the out
in the Us. But but for the growth
of the conference,
People are interested and everyone has to be
in this together from a supply chain perspective.

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Because if you look at the number of
wells, the number of platforms, the geography of
Australia and how far apart some of these
fields are. And where are you going to
lift a platform and take it to? These
are big problems. And if the supply chain
doesn't come together, it can be overwhelming. The
task can seem too big. But as you
can see here,

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supply chain is engaged,
everyone kind of understands their piece of it.
I think Code is a fantastic
organization for
bringing
those groups together, and that is fundamental, that's
necessary if there's... If this is going to
succeed in Australia because the supply chain is
going to be
far more spread out than it is in
any other part of the world.

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You know, you are in ireland. So the
basins are all around you rather than being
concentrated in 1 area, like the like the
Gulf of Mexico.
And because of that, I think, yeah, it'll
be successful and there's active engagement,
and we've only got really 2 years before
it all kicks off, so there needs to
be further engagement which should lead to further
growth for the conference year on year. What

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would you say that, works well in,
you know, pardon the pun.
But what works well, in the other regions
and what you think
we should be doing to replicate that. Yeah.
So
the from a technological point of view and
an infrastructure point of view, we know what
needs to be done. Really the defining

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characteristic of when a project is successful or
not is a real real stubborn commitment to
the mission and the target.
And that's that's really it. So if there's
good leadership who are dedicated to d,
you know, come what May because there's a
lot of problems it brings, you know, we
don't necessarily know the history of all of

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our wells or the integrity of our platforms.
But if you are committed to it, generally
they're the
operators that have had most success. So we
have people here today in Australia from B
eye, and they've been 5 years through their
program.
There's your learning, but they're also here to
share with others about what they've learned. And
I think that commitment to it is really

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the defining factor. You can always
contract,
you know, technology,
cutting tools, whatever it may be. But
but, yeah, leadership that's going to commit to
that is is really the the fundamental.
And the fantastic thing about here, contrary perhaps
to some of the other locations we operate
in. Is that we have multiple

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representation from the government here, multiple
representation from the operator, multiple
representation from
industry bodies such as cod,
which shows that that leadership there. So this
isn't just the operators having to look after
themselves as an entire
leadership infrastructure above that, which is gonna your
timelines of met and support is there and
soul and so forth. In your opinion, what

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what are those ingredients for the success of
the industry?
I I think 1 of the biggest issues
here is certainly the scale of the task.
And I mean, that both in geographical area.
So you spread spread all all of all
around something that's approximately the size of the
United States. It's it's a big, big, big
big area of water, and we've got a
lot of platforms and assets in different parts.

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So I think the thing that makes most
sense for me and this could be something
4 code is to create something like they've
had in the drilling industry, which is rigged
bearing clubs, which is oil and gas operators
who communicate about when rigs are available. And
traditionally, they did that for for drilling. So
when 1 operator finish the next 1 it
up, and it was a very effective way.

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So when we're dealing with some of the
assets that are here and how spread out
there are, 1 thing could be something like
that for vessel based work. So you get
a vessel in Australia that can d commission
however many wells in however many days, and
then that gets on to operator
operator. But for that to happen, the operators
need to be in communication with 1 another,
which is sometimes where this this falls down.

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But the the great thing about d is
is that what is effective or efficient for
1 is affected everyone wins it's effective for
all.
So
it's not like new asset development when there's
competitive
elements to it. So no one's buying blocks
to d commission,
everyone already has these liabilities and it would

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help everyone if the operators came together, develop
some sort of network where they can share
experiences as everyone wins. Yeah. Everyone wins. And
if it's going to be
30 years of work, you know, we want
the nth of a kind to be so
much more efficient than the first. And we
can do that for your share
information. And we're doing starting that with speaking
at conferences and operators being open and that's

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been fantastic. But an execution point of view,
I think there could be some sort of
group where they come together and share assets
and best practice on a on a more
constant basis. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, that's that's
you know, I think we're only
4 or 5 hours into into this conference
today. And,
you know, the fascinating thing has been, you
know, we've had presence presenters from

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all facets Of the industry. You know, you've
had science. You've had lawyers. You've had regulators.
Yes. You've had, Francis from Cod, Mh. So
it's it's really, really fascinating to be able
to hear all these different perspectives or different
takes Yep. Into the 1, you know, issue
that is d.
Yeah. So... But, you know, what you're talking
about lessons learned, best practice,

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working groups. It's, you know,
we definitely hear that. And not that's what
we're trying to integrate all of that into
our collaboration portal.
So we are really looking forward to bringing
that to market because, yeah, like yourself, we
we do see that as a very
almost integral. Yeah. Absolutely an efficient job well
done essentially. So...

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Yeah. Look, it's... We're we're getting up to
the 10 minute, Mark. So
I'm assuming you're proud of your baby.
Yeah. I mean, it's been fantastic, and we're
we're we're committed to,
to Australia. We have, you know, Erin is,
although she's based in New Zealand. She's on
in this part of the world.
Over the next year, we're looking to have
more all time staff dedicated

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to this region,
and really focused on working on this project
So the the d commissioning abandonment,
element
in Australian waters,
and investing
in a new team who'll come and look
after that, so we can, yeah, continue the
growth and
make it more valuable for all the attendees,

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we have a journalist arm as well who
can contribute to this and and continue the
news and and the wins and challenges being
promoted to to everyone who's here throughout the
year. So we'll meet here once a year,
but we're putting much more resources into the
communication element, which can keep people informed with
what you're doing. What the government's is doing
so on year on year. We're off do
next. So I go back to the Uk.

(09:53):
It's my son's second
birthday, my youngest son's second birthday tomorrow.
So I'm straight to that. Yep. So be
a 2 year birthday parties is the first
thing. And then
after that, the next project will be
in K, Malaysia. Yep. Don't stop for never.
So, I mean, we will definitely

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we'll see you next year. Obviously. When you're
back in perth. But in the meantime, if
people would like to get in touch with
you, get involved, how how they go about
doing that? Yeah. Sure. So you can, go
to off offset stop dot com, which is
off net is short for Offshore network, but
off off net dot com. And that's our
news portal, and you can subscribe
to the news portal there, and that will
give you access to all of our

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journalist arm,
all of the past reports and pieces that
been written about d, but also late life
well ops and
and well integrity and so on and so
forth, and it's segmented by region. So if
you're in this region, you just have to
click on the Australia
button, and it would take to everything that's
going on in Australia up until today. Perfect.

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Well, yeah. Thank you Thank you so much
for your time. Thank you for organizing such
a wonderful event, and we'll be in touch.
Aren't we. Yeah. Fantastic. Thank you, for having.
This. Thanks a lot. Bye.
I'm sitting here with Richard. Thank you so
much for your time. And I guess I'd
like to just start off with for Ellis
listeners. Yeah. Give a little bit of background
of,
of yourself.
Thanks, Pavel. So, yeah, my name is Richard

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Ba.
I'm the sales director
for our Energy clients at Rem
Rem based here in Perth
beautiful Western Australia. So I've been in a
couple of years now. My background has been
in
visualization technologies for the last 10 years or
so. This sort started out with the nascent
drone technology that came out, you know,
at the about 10:12 years ago. And how

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we could utilize those for for replication, so
a lot around, asset inspection, mapping those sorts
of things. And that's led me down this
road to
how we can use those technologies, visualization technologies
to actually understand our assets much much easier
and remove the need or reduce the need.
For people that have to travel to sites
and of course, so many of our sites,

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sir, whether it's been in resources or energy.
Are remote sites and quite dangerous sites. So
if we can come with any kind of
technology it reduces need to go to sign,
work in hazardous areas. I think that's a
fantastic thing, and so that's what we're doing
here at instance. I mean, I guess you've
answered a lot of my next questions of,
you know, what what what particularly does Stu
and, you know, what your role there is.
But I guess I'll move straight on to,

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I'm like spark and expand on that little
bit. Oh, absolutely. Go. Go for it. We've
got time. Let's do it. Yeah. So
yeah. At the harder of what we do
as I said before was around
visualization technologies and creating digital twins. Now people,
generally when they think of a digital twin,
because it's not a new concept,
thinking of sort of cad models, Nav works
models. Those computer rendered

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types of of models the sites.
What we're doing is different we're creating a
a visual photographic or photographic
model of a site. Yep So you can
actually see the as built what's there versus
the as designed. You're not looking at drawings.
You're actually seeing what's there, which enables to
see the site war and all, So you'd
you're looking for corrosion, and you'd be look

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to see something's actually in the right place.
That's all of stuff. You can see everything.
Yep. So what are what are some examples
I guess of the scale
of jobs that you've done.
So on the scale is, look, we go
from from from tiny to enormous, So we'll
do something as small as if you're talking
about offshore, for example, as small as a
a mono pod and to capture that using,

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both drone technology for doing the outside, of
course, it's to walk around the outside of
of a when pod out in the middle
of the yeah, of
of the indian indonesian. You're gonna a bit
wet. So we use drones to the outside,
and then we used fix scanning cameras for
the for the insides, And that could be
captured in, in a, under a day and
and models back with clients again within a
couple of
And then we go all the way up
to the larger side of things we do

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large manned
offshore platforms, and onshore we've got scale of,
whole gas plants, Lng plants. So we'll go
out typically and capture a whole Lng train.
We'll get 3 or 4 people out on
that. Yep. And that could take anywhere up
to a month so and you're getting anything
up to, like, 20 or 30000
images, individual images, which we then sticks together

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them at. So it can be quite huge
and complex.
Things the same for doing whole mine sites
as well. So from the tiny, all the
depths of the large. Yeah. Okay. So you're
not just offshore... Oh. No. We do a
lot of onshore work as well. I mentioned
Lng trains as well. Yep.
Or smaller sites compression stations, even around individual
well heads onshore well heads as well. So
go right down to that sort of side

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the way where you just, you know, well
heads is a good example, I think as
we talk about D com a little bit,
that's why we're here. If you look at
the literally thousands of those onshore well head
that we have all dotted around the country.
You know, they're generally gaining in quite remote
areas when it tend to have them in
the middle of city centers or in metro
area for very good reasons.
So again, reducing the need for people just

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to drive out to those to go and
check something quite often it's just to go
and check something or familiarize themselves with that
site. We can do that remotely. So, yeah,
It could be a well head shore. It
could be a, an Lng train, or it
could be an offshore platform and anything in
between. Yeah. Alright. So really, really versatile style.
Fantastic. I mean, you you quickly touched on
on on why you're here, But,

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is is there anything
that you were hoping to see, or that
brings you to to Dna 20 23 this
this year. Like, I mean, it's clear that
d
is something that is happening. You know, some
of the presentations I've seen. I think
helps us realize that it's been going on
for a number of years already in this
tree at a... I call a relatively small

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scale, particularly compared to other parts of the
world, like the North Sea, for example, where,
you know, it's a much larger discount. But
if you look at the numbers that people
putting up on slides
and in reports, we know that there's... I
won't quite say a it's hard away whenever
avalanche large coming all at once but over
the next 10:15,
20 years, there is a huge amount that
needs to be done. And I think it's
great to see

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the the change in the last 12 or
18 months from this this event and other
events, which were very small. Let's be honest.
And now growing to such scale to so
I think for me it's really exciting to
see the number of people that are here,
the organizations that are here as well. And
it's not just local players, It's not just,
you know, the woods size and the Chevron
of course, we expect to hear in.

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And it's not just,
organizations throughout Australia. I'm... I've met people here
from the Us from Canada.
The Uk, Norway, Germany all sorts who have
come here specifically for this event.
And I think that shows that there is
something happening here. There's something that's important that's
happening here, and,
there's a lot of work to be done.
There's a lot of, money to be spent

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around a number of,
a large, you, number of organizations. And I
and I was lucky enough to speak as
well yesterday. And I think when III spoke
at the end, I said something that I
think resonates to a lot of people, which
is, you know, at end of the day,
we're all work in the oil and gas
industry. We know that can be a dirty
messy business. We're all aware
very aware of the the charges of d.
And energy transition. And the d com parts

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a very important part of that. And I
think as I said yesterday, we all have
a part to play in that, and we
have a part play in making sure that
we leave, you know, this wonderful country that
we live in in in in a better
state than we found it and and the
D com is essential to doing that, and
we have to get that right. So seeing
people talk about it. And hearing people talk
about it, not just as a cost anymore.
Yeah. But there's an opportunity to do something

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good and do something right and create jobs
and make the place a bit of a,
I think it's fantastic That excites me. Yeah.
Fantastic.
You had a presentation yesterday. I guess just
for for listeners that have Bain at Dna
is would you be able to summarize, I
guess what you spoke about yesterday?
Yeah. If you wanna give me another half
for now, we can we can go through
it again or you can call me.

(17:39):
Yes. So what I was talking about, And,
as I've I alluded before, obviously, what Ren
does is we're going at and creating these
photographic
models So these as built as our models
so you can get a, you know, think
about Google Street view, but think about that
on steroids and walking through an oil and
gas partner installation to understand the fabric of
it.
So what I was talking about yesterday yesterday's
is how those models can be used to

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reduce risk and hazards,
hazards served to operators, and and and people
have to go out on these sites and
and d decommissioned them. So by having a
model
that anybody can see anywhere in the world
and collaborate on safely,
prior to go out the site enables people
to do some really good planning. So you
can sort of so I can understand the
risk is going to that platform.

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Reduce those risk mitigate against them, both, you
know, physical risk to people, but also environmental
risks and challenges as well. So that's the
first thing I about how we can do
that by using those models.
I also talked about
how we can use those models. Those visual
models, the things like
automating,
the understanding of corrosion on those sites,
because obviously, Corrosion is critical, particularly on offshore

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platforms.
Yep. And, again, the ability to do that
automatically,
reduce risk, reduce hazard, the needs for people
to get out at the site, make it
quick and simple. I think it's great. I
think overall,
I think what we want to get across
is the... If we can create a, a
digital library, a digital visual library of all
of these assets.

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That gets used not just by the owner
operator, not just a sub con... The subcontractors
or contractors who have to work on these.
But it also gives the regulator,
a really good understanding of what's out there.
So together,
and a theme a lot of... I've heard
of the theme a lot of people talked
about today. And yesterday is around collaboration. We
hear that word a lot. And in good
collaboration is very hard to do. And we're

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all a bit re about it, but I
think these tools are designed
to help people collaborate. So that's sort the
heart of what we're trying to do is
to bring people together in a safe environment
and help collaborate together and and, you know,
provide a better outcome. Would you be able
to tell us
what next for Sense,
where to from here and where where potentially
do you personally see the industry going?

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Yeah. What's next for Sense? So look when
we started out on this journey of creating
a digital model, it was just to basically
provide that that fabric that
visualization tool. So people could look at a
site and understand and walk around it without
going there. You know, we say, no, be
there without going there.
That platform is developed and continues up now

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into a tool where we can start... We're
starting to look at you know, predictive maintenance.
So we can start looking at things like
corrosion because we've got this such this,
depth of visual knowledge and and and database
now that we're building.
So we can start thinking about how can
we do more preventative maintenance or predictive maintenance,
so we can we can understand how things
are going to degrade or cor over time
using the tools and techniques.

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I don't know everybody talks about machine learning
and Ai, everyone talks about Ai and wherever
you go now chat Ep.
But we are using those tuning and those
tools, not chat bots. But using those machine
learning and Ai techniques to start
understanding the data that's within our models.
And provide more useful insights and reports back
to our our clients and prospective clients to

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take some of the,
the more repetitive give tasks added some of
the jobs and actually enable people to try
actually do their jobs more efficiently as well.
So I think
that machine learning, Ai piece is only gonna
as you get better.
I think that will accelerate as we see
the world of computing come on board. I've
been doing a lot of reading and listening
around that lately. And I think that the

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the potential that unlocks. We're... Not within in
our organization Our industry is is potentially phenomenal
phenomenal and the ability to model out comes
based on actions that we take now is
gonna be un past in the next 4
or 5 years. So that's really exciting.
Yeah. Well, no. It's
extremely versatile interesting technology that fits right into

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the d space that, you know, the Ram
Ram sense has. So
I think there's obviously, a lot of growth
a lot of our business out there for
you guys. And I think you'll be
continue to be relevant in the d space
for years to come. So,
wary of your time. Thank you so much
sitting down with us. If if anybody would
like to, I guess, get in touch or

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learn more about Ram technology where where can
they go? Yeah. Well you can find is
obviously, on the Internet at rim sense dot
com dot au u. You can find us
on Linkedin as well, and other places like
that. Feel free to reach out to us
and it's been an absolute pleasure to be
here. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so, Richard.
Cheers.
Alright. Well, thanks thanks for joining me, Jed.

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Mike I guess We'll start off with the
basic questions. You know, it's... Can you please
introduce yourself and give us a little bit
of background on your experience? Sure. Thanks, Mike.
Thanks for having me. Yeah. So my name's
is Jed Van.
I'm the d manager for liberty Industrial.
I've been with Liberty for about 15 months,
16 months now.
So... I've come from an offshore oil a
gas background,

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for basically a boots on ground resource
through to supervision then into management,
and offshore construction manager, which segue into project
management,
and then through that journey I sort of
met met Liberty as a as a contractor,
I was on the client side, Liberty was
on the contract side.
Obviously, with the big forefront of what's coming

(22:53):
up here in in the forecast of the
d
d industry.
It was a great opportunity to come across
the liberty
and and sort of
segmenting laying that the skill sets that they've
already got
with their onshore d conditioning and and recycling
processes and move that into the oil and
gas offshore d conditioning space. So I mean,
you've already touched on what your role at.

(23:14):
Liberty is. But if you could just give
us some a little bit of background of
who Liberty is, and, you know, how how
you fit into the d conditioning space. Sure.
Sure. So liberty...
Liberty was founded
on a on a more front end feed
study
capacity. So Clinton... Yeah, Clinton Dick our founding
director
founded the company on providing

(23:36):
early estimate closure estimates and closure studies for
mine sites and and any assets, any industrial
assets.
So let's to look at what what would
the project look like if it was to
go ahead in 5 years, 10 years fifth
30 years.
To have that front end engineering study report,
and then get engage with the clients on
some actual

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conceptual
methodologies that would be used to d the
plant and also remediate and and d,
but also with real time
information and and real data from an and
executing that project.
So that's where they've hinged the 2 sides
of the coin by doing these early engagement
feed studies.
We can now provide...
We actually execute those works as well. You

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know, we've got, you know, 400 bits of
plant and 250
full time employees.
Where we can go and execute these major
projects over 4, 5 to 10 years, whatever
the whatever the major project is.
And then all the data that we're learning
on these major projects we're into the other
feed studies that are coming up, So it's
just a constant circle. What would you say
some of the biggest projects that Liberty have

(24:38):
done? Yeah. I was doing what Liberty Liberty
first project was at the time, was 1
of the biggest was the biggest,
demolition
project in the Southern hemisphere. So it was
a hundred and 90000.
Of infrastructure.
At the moment, ongoing, we've got 1 of
the largest closure projects in the Southeast Asia
region, which is the Gov

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refinery project. So that's a project.
Once again, I think a hundred and 70
odd thousand tons over 4 or 5 years
of, yeah, basically, a a
aluminum refinery up in up and Go in
the Northern territory, which is effectively in Ireland
in the wet season.
And it's once again, capturing
that the process was exactly what I was

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talked about before was a feed study for
2 years, which went into a tender phase.
We're actually
lucky enough to win that tender and and
go into the execution phase now, which is
the full asset closure. So it's the
the d
and removal of any hazmat materials, There's lots
of mercury and norms or all these. All
of these things that we hear today and
it... An the oil and gas d conditioning

(25:42):
space, which we think is new, but we're
doing onshore now. Yep.
And also asbestos and all sorts of
heavy fuel oil,
d
and then that moves into a full
demolition and and disposal campaign after that. So
once all the nas are removed, everything is
safe to be demolished, and then this aggressive
phase of cleaning, d,

(26:04):
d, and then demolish, and then processing, and
then, obviously, the on sail and recycling of
of of all that infrastructure. So whether it's
steel, non fe steel, plastics, copper,
you know, anything else that can be resolved
concrete.
The full works and checks. Yeah. Well, That's
that's that's a very wide. Pillow. Yeah. Absolutely.

(26:26):
So would you say that has evolved over
time or...
Yes. Definitely. Do you see it continuously
involve evolving? Sorry?
Definitely. Definitely. Especially with the the new technologies
are coming up. Obviously, it's a
it's a rapidly,
growing market. There's there's so many synergies with
other partners now as well. Yep. There's no...

(26:46):
As as we hear, you know, the theme
of this
this whole conference in every conference that we
go in our and d conditioning is collaboration,
There is no Yep. Turnkey solution to this.
Okay. We we may provide a turnkey
opportunity for some of our clients, but we
substitute a lot of those services with strategic
partners Yep. To help us deliver that full
project. It's not Liberty industrial that

(27:07):
deliver that full project. It's it's our collaboration
absolutely.
Specialists. Yeah. It's right. Do what they do
best. Yeah. Of course. So I mean, you
mentioned technologies, new technologies is there some... What
are the, I guess, latest technologies that you
are dabbling with mean, we've heard Ai multiple
times today at the conference Is that something
that you're exploring? Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. So liberty

(27:27):
had a really good culture. There's... It's a
really good culture within the company of
innovations over
mitigation,
and and innovations to mitigate
as well. So, you know, it's it's the
really looking
we we're going to Uni We're go to
the high schools to try and get these
new new minds in our business, but some
of some of the technology that we're sort

(27:47):
of leveraged off in the last few years
is
we're pretty early in the piece. We've got
rights in Australia for some extreme loading software.
So we can put the structures into the
model.
And we can put our method into the
model, and we can model that structure falling
down over and over. Yeah. Before we actually
go and do it execute it on site.
So... Yeah. Okay. Can do that from the
office.
Model of times until we're really comfortable and

(28:08):
and and happy with it.
And then we go and execute and we've
we've got some great project videos it show
you the model, and then we show you
all structure falling over and it's identical. So
what what what are that where did the
need arise from for that? Was that mainly
to satisfy
regulations or you know, health and safety of
your own staff? Or where do that really?
I think it's everything that's it's all of

(28:28):
all above. It's... And at the end of
the day, it is health and safety if
you approach it in a in a risk
based scenario. Look, der risking something makes it
more efficient, makes it safe if it makes
it more cost effective.
In yep. In the end because you're not
doing it to twice us all 3 times
and you're not hurting anyone. And and it's
a nice stable outcome. It's it's
that's 1 of our key drivers is trying

(28:49):
to provide that certainty of our outcome to
our clients,
and working with our clients it's that collaboration
with our clients. To provide that certainty of
outcome, they're comfortable with the contractor and they're
comfortable with the methods that we're gonna go
ahead. And ultimately,
when we go and execute the project,
they're comfortable in the outcome
for the community, and and then the other
stakeholders was within those, assets as well. Yeah.

(29:10):
Fantastic.
I guess last maybe a question about liberty
itself,
potentially a tough.
What do you see is your competitive advantage
Sure. Yeah. That that is a good 1.
A competitive advantage, I think I'd have done
it before. We're like, we're a really transparent
company.
Really linear
org structure. We collaborate really well internally.

(29:32):
And and that transcend sense to our clients
and and other stakeholders as well. So we're...
Our competitive advantage it is everything I mentioned.
So it's it's our early pre feed studies
that we can provide that real input on
on actual data of demolish and d and
and d
of
everything that we're doing here in the d
space.

(29:52):
And and and and transitioning not just the
feed program, but actually
developing those work packs are showing how these
work packs actually work.
And collaborating that with our clients and collaborating
with our clients,
Yeah, to deliver that outcome. Yeah. Fantastic. Thank
you.
I guess, moving on to the conference, you
know, that's we're we're all here for.

(30:12):
What is it? Is there anything in particular
that brings you to D,
this year? Oh, good everything. I think it
all be be here today... Definitely the lineup
was great. I mean, the engagement would just
had, you know, I talked to all the
and and all the regulators and the whole
supply chain already through my everyday job, but
the buzz around the industry is is is

(30:33):
real.
And having the conference in the middle of
this buzz is just makes no makes perfect
sense, You know, look it's...
There's there's some real time, You know, there's
real projects coming up now. That's not... We're
not planning. We're we're actually into execution, and
then we're forward planning for the next wave.
So having having those regulators having the operators
having this supply chain and the vendors

(30:53):
in in the room. Yep. And and and
all, you know, telling each other the the
challenges that we're going through.
So we can all help each other. Know,
that's that's the key focus obviously obviously, as
we said, the c word, the collaboration word,
over and over and over, but it's paramount,
and and it's and it's not easy
but the more we can do this, and
the more we can get together and share

(31:14):
our challenges.
Yep. The better the better we can be
as a collective, you know? Yeah. Exactly. The
rising tide lifts all boats they say.
So you... Yeah. You've mentioned, obviously, we've got
a whole bunch of,
from all sides of the industry. We've got
regular we've got operators. We've got supply chain,
and then you've, you know, we've got organizations
such as Cod, like us here.

(31:35):
Has there been any highlights,
I guess, for you, is there is there
a particular group that you you looking to
hear from?
There was no 1 particular group. It was
money what brought me here looked to go
back to the question before, but was the
lineup up. You know, you look a day
1 lineup, and I was like, wow, that
is a random bunch of old talks.
But, you know, sitting through that yesterday. At

(31:57):
the of the day I was like, I
was I was talking to someone else about
it, and we're, like, that actually captured pretty
much everything that we're dealing with, Everything in
in the industry. Some of the stuff that
we're not dealing with, but you can hear
it from other people's point of view and
you're like, well, Okay. That's,
and we heard it today this morning with
us or as well talking about
understanding what the regulators are going through and
and what Code and are going through and

(32:17):
other industry groups are going through.
And hearing everyone else's challenges.
It's been really refreshing to hear hear it
from other points of view. It's it's been
very, very engaging positive to see, you know,
how the the conference has grown, you know,
almost twice in size that's. Right. So we
were you guys here last year as well?
We were... Yeah. So we I caught the
back end of it last year, but, yeah.
It was obviously, you know, half the size

(32:39):
of what it is today. And Yep. You
know,
just to see that you know, we're talking
Aaron. There's 250 tickets and there's still people
trying to buy tickets yesterday.
There's 250
experts and d that here. It's... There's a
lot of knowledge in this room. Yep.
And it's it's been critical for us. We
know we're trying to bring... We've got some
graduates and undergraduates in in d at the

(32:59):
moment as well. And trying to get, you
know, bringing them that I've got the feedback
from them yesterday just let them walk around
talking to people. Yep. And it's amazing for
them to see
what what the industry is and where they
can... You can't be what you can't see.
So it's involving the next generation in in
this talk as well. I think it's it's
very important. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. What do you
see as being next for liberty,

(33:19):
industrial and, you know, where where do you
personally say the industry heading?
Yeah. Well, next... You know, we're we're following
an industry. Next for the industry is next
liberty.
Yep.
For us, we've got a key focus on
on jobs and and training.
The and looking at the services are gonna
need to be provided and the volume of
services are gonna need to be provided

(33:41):
in the next... 5 to 10 years.
So I think for us a real focus
at the moment is engaging
with the next generation, like I just mentioned
before for it's with the universities with the
high schools,
and and going to give some tech talks
and with our some of our, female engineers
and stuff to go and do some to
and and high schools to try and bring
up boost those women and stem numbers. Yep.

(34:03):
Up and also just engineering,
interest and d. You know, look,
we went and talked to the Uni and
they're like, what is that? You know, look.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a d commissioning undergraduate. What
is that? No 1 knows what it is,
but now we've got 1.
And you know, he's walking around at university
speaking about d and we've got...
I get 50 cv a week now from
from the uni people just wanna again involved.

(34:25):
So Yeah. That's that's a key focus training.
Obviously,
capacity now. So it's building the redundancy now
and our
corporations that we can
deal with this these this next wave. There's
a there's a lot of projects coming up.
There's a lot of...
You know, there's a lot to go around,
but there's the service offering that we can
give. We need to really... We're spending some

(34:45):
time now to really fill in the back
end of our our organization, yeah. Making sure
with that redundancy,
to combat back what's coming up. Yeah. Absolutely.
No. There's definitely enough work, I think coming,
you know, in the next decade or at
least so honor yeah. Yeah. And you know,
there there are skill shortages and, gaps that
need to be filled. So yeah. You know,
wary of your time. Thank you so much

(35:06):
for for chatting with me.
I guess, just so, you know, if if
anybody wanted to get in touch or to
see what more what Liberty is doing How
where would they the be ab to go,
Would that be able to get touch with?
Sean Yeah. Well, yeah. Where can they send
the Cvs? San. Yeah. Senator. We've... Yeah, go
ahead and and check out our website. So
it's Liberty in industrial dot com.

(35:26):
A lot of information on there's a new
new iteration of the website coming up in
the next month or so. Yep. Have a
few more contact details, but there's a careers
at liberty industrial dot com.
Email address you can send Cv to.
My my details are on that website.
You can also have my phone number or
a... If if you want to, just give
me a call. That too. You have a

(35:47):
copy. Yeah Yep.
But, yeah, definitely get in touch.
If there's anything we can help you out
with, you know, we love going and talking
to the op, yeah, regulators, the industry groups
in the government
as well. And
just talking about our capacity and and and
even, you know,
Stuff and project reviews and whatever you need

(36:08):
just.
Have a chat. Fantastic. Look. Again, thank you
so much for your time, and cheers. Enjoy
the rest of the conference. We'll do. Thanks
mate much cheers. Thanks.
Thank you so much, Daniel, if for sitting
deal with me,
to start off with the listeners, If you
could just tell me about yourself in your
experience. Yes. So, yeah I'm Daniel Lam. At
work for a company called Tam International.

(36:29):
We specialize in inflatable and swell packers.
My background, yeah, I've been in Australia for
6 years.
And, yeah, worked for time for over 10
now.
Yeah, started off
working in the field and then, yeah, and
more of a a role just now. Yep.
And that's kinda. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he
started off in the Uk? Yeah. So, yeah.

(36:50):
As my.
Yeah. Yep. Started off in Dean. Was an
Aberdeen 4 5 years, and then, yep, moved...
Took the jump to Australia. Yeah. Yeah. And
Sunshine and happiness. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely then. Absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah. I know about weather. Good to
hear. So I guess I guess you've come
from

(37:10):
a bit more of a mature market than
in the Uk and, you know, how how
have you found, I guess, the d space
in Australia compared to up. Yeah. D decommissioned
is probably been in the words with topic
over the last
few years, that's for sure, especially with the
the downturn
because of Covid.
Operators weren't operating from a drilling completion standpoint,

(37:32):
and then they were looking in the space
of, yep d decommissioned and plugging abandonment
work overs and, yet, Tam sits to that
space with the product line that they have
available. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. So that's... I mean,
that kind of plays into my question of,
you know, Tam international how how do you
fit into the d space? Is that is
that a major part of your business do
you see?

(37:53):
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We are suited to
various, you know,
applications. As such, you know, we we do
have products for drilling and completion.
Remedial
stimulation or remedial operations and your well integrity
work over, which compromises of your d commissioner
and abandonment space.
At that point there, both offshore and onshore.
Yeah. Fantastic. So and Tam has been in

(38:14):
business for how long? Oh, 55 years. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually, So you know the numbers. Yeah.
Know the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Just
celebrated our fifth fifth party birthday last week.
Yep. Fantastic. And how many months markets are
you involved in?
Energy market say, oil and gas,
geothermal renewables
globally, you know, or bases... Houston our headquarters
should Said. Yep. We've got our base in

(38:37):
Australia. We've got our base,
in Europe, which set of Aberdeen
base in the Middle East,
Canada. So we're pretty much global in that
sense.
Pretty back for sure. Yeah. For what we
do. Yeah. And I guess what what would
you say your competitive advantages as What has
allowed you to prepare yourselves for that long
been business for 55 years?

(38:58):
I guess it's the the the products that
we provide.
We're a very
niche in that sense, you know, inflatable packers.
Typically, you would run through a restriction where
that's surface at your well head your bop
for everyone who knows what that is.
And, yeah,
you run that and and based it and
inflatable, it just expands out to a larger

(39:18):
Id that you're setting inside.
Typically from a work over a well prevention
campaign, that's typically what you would run.
And so, yeah, we've been kinda specialized that,
yeah, Over the last 55 years in different
categories, but, yeah. We're at Dna, I'm d
conditioning and abandonment conference in Perth.
What brought you here as as an exhibit?
We see ourselves as a value

(39:40):
as opposed to the d decommissioned abandonment space
globally, not just in Australia. And what we
like to do is we like to set
with our peers
see how things are, in that sense from
a d commission abandonment space. See what things
Tam can do to assess that whether it's
being in collaboration or whether that's helping out
operators to see what their requirements are, what
what the outlook is going forward and yet

(40:02):
to see what time can actually do over
time for sure yeah.
Collaboration has been a a hot word over
the past couple days you,
how
where do you see or how important do
you say is
collaboration is being in your
industry?
Absolutely. It's key.
But what you obviously need to look out
for there from a cup collaboration standpoint is

(40:23):
that you're managing the expectations
of everyone that's involved in that collaboration,
and whether that's with your peers or
ultimately with prayers,
you know, whether that's not gonna name operators,
but,
you know, the ones are actively looking at
the d decommissioned and bad them space at
the moment and how we can do that
to achieve end result, which is doing things

(40:44):
safely,
efficiently. And, yeah.
Making sure that
we achieve the success that the operators are
requirement.
What would you say is the next steps
for for Tam? In the industry. Forward steps
for time, yet. So we're part
globally,
decommissioned balance a big thing.
We are suit based in Australia and in
Asia Pacific region,

(41:05):
and what we strive to do is provide
excellence to the wells site and accomplish
the objectives that are required you know, P
and A well, abandon in a well, and
ensuring that, yeah, we provide the best products,
installing them safely.
And making sure that, yeah, we manage the
end result for for the operator in that
sense. And in regards to what we're doing

(41:27):
in the future going we always like to
develop
internally,
within the Tam R and d team, and
the engineering team, really to develop our own
equipment you know, if we do see something
there that that, you know, a gap in
such a space like, d decommissioned abandonment. Yep.
You we we do have those resources take
a look at to see what we can

(41:48):
do to contribute to that. And, yeah, we're
always striving to be. The best that we
can be, I suppose, and the industry that
we're in and what services that Tam can
provide. Yeah. So staying agile. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Alright. I guess
final questions. If if anybody wanted to find
out more about Tam International, what they do,

(42:08):
their products,
how can they get? Who who should they
get in touch with? Yeah. Where can they
find that information? Yep. So Tamara on Linkedin.
If you just type in Tam
International.
We also have our website WWW
dot tam, INTL dot com, and here you'll
find contact details there. Daniel, thank you so
much for your time. Thanks, man. Appreciate you

(42:28):
meeting you, and, you, being touch. Absolutely. Thanks
you. Thank you so much you.
Aaron. Thank you so much for joining me.
We've got you right at the end of
the, at the conference. Thank you. Hey. How
you going? How did it go? Yep. Brilliant.
It was it was really good conference actually
exceeded all my expectations so which is brilliant.
And a big thing for me really is
just getting everybody else's feedback. So it's brilliant

(42:50):
to hear that everyone's had such a good
Yeah. So,
how many dana have you done in perth?
This is the second year. So,
yep, hopefully, lots more to come, but
twice as big as last year. Yeah. I
was about to ask for it what you
think or will... How you would describe the
growth of it since year on year. Yeah.

(43:10):
It's doubled.
I was just saying to your colleague shaun
before that we had around 270
registrations this year. And only 7 people didn't
like the past is. Yeah. That says a
lot about the the growth of the industry
and the importance of d, I guess. Yeah.
Absolutely.
What would you say...
I mean, it's very early days. Right? We've
just finished, but have there been any highlights

(43:32):
from this year's Dna, as opposed or not
opposed, but, you know, compared to last year.
It's what what's worked well for you. Yeah.
I think the exhibition space been a lot
bigger this year. It's allowed people to network
a lot more. We've made a big emphasis
on making sure there was lots of networking
sessions, and I think although obviously, everyone gets
a lot of value out the presentations, and,

(43:54):
you know, hearing and all the new technologies
and the new regulations and things. I think
people have really enjoyed just having that time
to just get together and have conversations and,
you know, over their lunch and and really
just have a bit of a chin work
about where the who's going. I think, particularly
out here a lot of it.
It's still quite new. It's still quite a
new topic. There's a lot of learning to

(44:15):
take place, and I think that's where it's
really valuable in those network concessions. So we
do still have 1 session to go 1
network concession to go for this event and
hopefully, they'll goes 1 director with compliments. Yeah.
Then it's almost done. Yeah. It's so rude.
I just realized that for the listeners, I
didn't get you to introduce yourself.
It's just jumping straight into the questions? Everything's
so hectic at the moment.

(44:36):
Yeah, would you be able to just quickly
introduce yourself, you know, what what's your position
at off snap? Yeah. And so I'm Erin
Smith, and I am the I'm global accounts
manager and regional manager of Au asia.
Fantastic. You so much.
I'm obviously wary over time you're a very
popular woman right now.
Any plans
for next year? Do you definitely see yourself

(44:59):
coming back. Yeah. Definitely we'll definitely be running
a d com as 20 24. Then it'll
be hopefully bigger again.
We're looking to probably make it across 3
days,
potentially having a whole long shore day next
year because that was something that we added
into the program this year, which was new
to last year,
and there's been some really good feedback on

(45:19):
that. I think it's something particularly for the
service companies that falls into their remit, but
they
probably don't hear so much about it because
so much of perth is or or whatever
everyone seems to think of so much as
pierce at the offshore, but actually, so much
unsure too, which is really important. So, yeah,
it's gonna be bigger and better than it
has been again hopefully.

(45:41):
Okay. So, obviously, there's limited spaces,
you know, this year's was a sellout essentially.
How do people get involved? Obviously, the earlier
the better? Who do they get in touch
with? Where do they go? So it will
be myself again. So if you wanna come
along feel free to drop me an email.
I can share my details with you.
And also, the website will be live so

(46:03):
you will be able to still search for
Dna,
Australia.
And you can reach out to me via
that.
As Pam has mentioned, space are limited, we'll
have limited exhibition spaces. So if you do
wanna get involved, reach out as soon as
possible.
Aaron Smith. Thank you so much for your
time. Well done. Thank you. Cheers.