October 15, 2025 • 50 mins
On this episode of PNW Haunts and Homicides, we explore the creepy world of the paranormal and true crime in the Pacific Northwest. Join us as we share listener tales, including a mysterious message received by mediums at the Delaney House. Then a Ghosts of the Grand paranormal investigator reveals a mischievous spirit known for manipulating temperatures and behaving provocatively. We end our spooky journey with a story sent in by "VICP" (Very Important Creepy Person), Judi, from the Nightmare Factory in Salem, Oregon. Don't miss our tarot reading at the end, seeking deeper insights into these haunting stories!
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GET TICKETS to Ghosts of the Grand! You're invited into the shadowed halls of Salem’s historic, 125-year-old Grand Theatre for an unforgettable haunted experience. Step beyond the stage and into the darkness, where immersive storytelling, chilling performances, and eerie surprises await around every corner. đź‘»Â
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us atpnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
There's a very predominant male presence who refuses to give
us his name. He likes to give like fake names.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah, kind of,
but he's probably not that cool.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But the thing is is like he wants us to
believe that he's a demon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ah, but we know he's not.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's one of the really funny things. We just we
know that he isn't. But he's just like, I am
big tough man.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We don't like those living or dead. Yep, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi,
Creepy People. Hello, this is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we
chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky
in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's PNW.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
If you're nicety, we've already established that we are and
you are. That's why you're.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Listening presumably, or you are stumbling across this the first
time and you're very confused and for that we will
not apologize. We also do a tarot reading at the
end of every episode for a little bit of deeper
insight into our topic.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, hey, do you like taro? Stay like us? So
we have a Creepy People Chronicles episode for you today,
which is stories from our listeners, stories from sometimes me,
but surprised this one's not all about me this time.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
What I know?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I know, darn it right. Well, it's kind of semi
about me, but like only a little bit. Oh okay,
So we have a couple stories that I left out
of the Delaney House episode from Vicky and Zoe. So
Vicky had a story of do you remember the mediums
that she was talking about Meggie and Sherry that came
(02:04):
to visit, and I'm saying do you remember, I'm kind
of talking to you and to the audience because she
didn't mention them in the episode. Okay, So Vicky has
stories from the couple mediums that visit all the time
and do paranormal investigations there at the Delaney House. She
has a story involving them. Oh, there is a story.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Where Maggie and Sherry had gotten kind of a message
when they were going to leave one night and they
were said, next time you come, they sit out there.
Next time you come, sit and bring a third chair,
and they went off some special it's going to come,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So next time they came, they sat out there.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You know, you know, they worked in the house and
did their normal investigation, but they would go out there
and they had that chair there all evening and nobody
ever sat in it, and they thought, I wonder why.
And then a friend of mine called and said, you know,
my husband and I would like to come and spend
the night on the way to California. I said, okay,
And so I asked them and they said, yeah, it's okay,
(03:08):
we're going to be leaving. We're not going to be
here all night.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I said, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So my friend shows up and she went out there
and she had a question for them about clearing a
space of negative energy and they said, well, and it
was in another state and they said, no, we really
don't know anybody why. And then Maggie said to Jerry, well,
tell them about that time thirteen years ago that you
were in. Well, it's Quarterley in Idaho. So she said, well,
(03:36):
we were on a trip we stay, you know, we
needed a place to stop and have dinner. We were tired,
so we stopped and we started eating at this Chinese
restaurant and my friend was crying and they're like, are
you okay? And I stepped outside right at that moment
and said what's going on? And she you know, they
you know, they got done telling her that, and she goes,
(03:57):
all I heard was Shasta, stop, Shasta, no Asta house.
And she kept hearing this, and Sherry was going, count Shasta,
what are you talking about? And she said, I'm sorry,
but you're too loud. I'm going to go outside and
eat because I can't eat. Someone's screaming in my ear. Whoa,
And so she went outside and that was the end
(04:19):
of it, you know. So here we are, thirteen years later,
she's telling this story and my friend is crying. And
my friend said, well, that was my family's Chinese restaurant,
my family that was murdered by a serial killer, and
the youngest daughter, Shasta, was the only one who survived.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes, I know this story. So she said.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
All I wanted to do was literally have someone go
to this how to the place where it happened, and
tell the mother that we were sorry. When we went
to the funeral, the two children were still missing. They
went to the funeral for the oldest son and the
boyfriend and the mother and her brother who it was
(05:05):
his kids no longer lived there anymore, and they just
wanted to say they were sorry. Because they thought that
she had been it had been some bad friends of hers,
or something had happened. That was her phone, and they said,
we just want her to know that we are sorry,
because we never in a million years thought, you know,
(05:25):
that we that it was that you know, that it
was a serial killer. You know, we just thought there's
something bad had happened. And the ladies were sitting here
and they went, she knows. So this was somehow facilitated
by my spirits. My friend came here all the time
(05:45):
and would sit out there in that corner. And every
time she'd come, she'd sit all night. She's kind of
a night owl. She'd sit there all night, Yeah, and
just you know, the perfect night and listen to the
owls and you know, just enjoy herself. And she she
often saw someone walking through the you know, on the
porch and stuff at night.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I just feel like the whole story kind of came
to a point where they reached out. And it was
her nephew who was one of the boys that was killed.
He was the one who wanted to you know, wanted
to reach out and knew that his aunt was suffering.
And it was okay, everybody knows that you guys are sorry.
(06:27):
So that was almost the moment where I really believed
a lot more than I ever had been before, because
how would they know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, right, there's just there's just no way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
So, and it was just so weird, just so far
apart from us every meeting, any of us ever meeting.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So wow. And then we have another story from Zoe,
who was the paranormal investigator that we talked to who
works at Ghosts of the Grand Yeah, and she has
a story about an entity or something negative that hangs
(07:06):
around I think she said in the basement, we'll hear
the story. We'll hear it directly from Zoe, so she
could tell us.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm so excited to hear all of these things that
I was there for but have no memory of and
didn't hear and absorb in real time.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I don't know where you were for the interview
with Zoe. You weren't there, but I don't know if
you had lingered in the background at all, or I
think I might have been in the kitchen. I think
at that point Vicky was making me tea. Oh yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, there's a lot of activity in the basement. There's
a lot of women in the basement. Surprisingly kind of
braces my whole heart. There's a lot of women's spirits
in the basement. There's some children down there, and there's
there's a very predominant male present who were refuses to
(08:01):
give us his name, and it pisses me off because
there's been multiple people that have gone to the grand
and every single one that I've seen at least has
come across him. And he likes to give like fake names.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah kind of,
but he's probably not that cool.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But the thing is is like he wants us to
believe that he's a demon.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Ah, but we know he's not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That's one of the really funny things. We just we
know that he isn't. But he's just like I am
a big tough man.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We don't like those living or dead.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, there is a reason why he he is
the one spirit down there that I will take a
little page out of zaxx book.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Because it's like, if you were actually a demon, you
would have possessed me by now.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, it's funny because he does he does like to
manipulate the time in the basement.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, like, does he make it hot?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He makes it very hot in rooms down there, which
you know it's it's a basement in one D and
twenty five cold. There's no heating down there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, there's no heating.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
There's no heaters down there. There is the original furnace
of the building down there, but that is not operational.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Does he come with a sulfury smell? Are we sure
he's not a devon?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah? No. A lot of people attribute making rooms hotter
with demons.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well that's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, but from everything that we've been able to tell,
he's not a demon.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I feel like he just did his research and trying
to think it until he makes it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He likes to swear at people. He likes to touch women,
especially inappropriately. Oh yeah, I have a lot of experiences
with him. He's called me bitch on our spirit box
one time I called for I wish that we had
it on film because I would share it because it is.
It's one of the funniest things to me, because it
(10:04):
is such it's such a time bringing people down into
the basement that I've just met and immediately hearing bitch
as I'm talking about him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That is not cool.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm sorry, I find it hilarious personally. Yeah, people have
been like, oh, that is so horrible. It's like, yeah,
I'm used to it with him though. That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I just feel like, I am a bitch, so whatch.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I'm a bitch to him specifically.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you know, it's maybe that's his way of just
greeting you. Now, He's like, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He likes to try and take control the situation. I
think he doesn't like that. I'm not scared of him.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Right, like a strong woman, strong independent women.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, I've never been afraid down there ever. And uh,
usually spirits like that, especially ones who in life were
very like controlling men, they especially hate it in death
if you're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I like, I just want to go there so bad?
Is this in the basement?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, it's in the basement.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's where you lock people down like you do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We bring people down there and we bring our supplies in.
We we have a rempot, we have I think two rempods,
and we have a spirit box. We have EVPs that
we give people and we have a little spirit chat
box where it's it's like a spirit box, but it's
(11:32):
basically like a dictionary. It's a whole library of words
where the energy can be manipulated to the point where
it brings up specific words.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Is it like.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, it's like an.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, got it? And do you get a lot of activity? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So much. They they've been really excited ever since we
brought in the spirit chat box. They love that thing
so much, so much so that we don't really get
in anything on our actual spirit boxes really anymore. They
are so preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
With taking their words.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. I think they like that. It's a lot more
specific for them.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That is so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, because with a spirit box, you know, they have
to go through channels and pick out words from those. Yeah,
whereas with this is they can just they pick out
what word they want with how they manipulate it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
In theory, yeah, right, we know we kind of know
how these things.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Work because they're in this podcast. We understand, but I
will clarify in theory because unfortunately we only understand so
much about how our instruments work. Scientifically, well, we're always
trying to understand, and I mean the most the thing
I think we're all trying to do is just gather
(12:56):
as much evidence as possible.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We're not saying like, this is totally evidence of a ghost,
but we're just trying to gather as much evidence as
possible to just try to understand the other side. So, yeah,
we're investigating. We're paranormal investigators exactly. That's what investigating is,
is just trying to understand.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, look and try and understand. I love glancing over
and just seeing the flashing the flashlight thoughts so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know I kind of forgot to pay attention to them.
But oh, yep, thank you, yeah, thank you, thanks for
playing with us. That's so much fun adding to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Honestly, I've yeah, I've never run into anything that I've
been genuinely afraid of or genuinely think would bring me
like absolute harm. I I can't say for certain if
the bad man would want to, he probably would try
and harm me if you could, but he can't.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You're too protected.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, And that is a really important thing is if
you ever go paranormal investigating, remember please use protections.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Use protection. Everybody use protection.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You just have a black tormaline on you or visualize
like a white shield around you before you go. That's
a really good one. I like to use visualization. But
I also I forgot to today just because I knew,
like coming in to hear, this is not a place
with any negative energy that I really need to shield
myself from. So I was like, I don't need to
(14:31):
go all out, but I use perfume with intention.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh that's genius. Yeah, because see.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, it's just really easy and it's something that people
can do every day really too, just like before they
go outside. You know a lot of people like wear
like perfumes are cologne. So it's just like doing that
and like setting your intentions while you.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Do keep it all a little selenite stone or something
and like, yeah, but just the intention though, like weave
a little magic and life. I think it helps.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I don't think I got mentioned in the Ghosts of
the Delaney House episode because spoiler alert, there might be more,
but I don't think I got mentioned that Chelsea, who
runs Ghosts of the Grand hooked us up with Vicky
at the Delaney House.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yes she did.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
She hooked us up with phone numbers and like set
this whole thing up for us to come and tour
it and hang out and do the interviews.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, Unfortunately, she couldn't be there that day, but we're
we're gonna have her on probably at some other point,
and we're going to be visiting ghosts of the Grand
very soon. Yes, we are, stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm just saying good things come from Chelsea's.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So we got an email. Someone finally emailed us as story.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
After me say that threatening you guys, someone emailed you
say that. But we got another email and I might
read a part of it in the episode where I
take their case suggestion.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So we got an email from a very important creepy person,
a vi i CP.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I'm not gonna lie. I kind of like that v
I CP.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And I don't know if you know this, but I
will tell you why she is a vi CP. Okay,
please do. We got an email from Judy about the
Delaney House. She says in her title Delaney House. Question Mark,
question Mark, question Mark. So she like listened to the
episode immediately and was like, oh, I have a story excellent.
(16:44):
By the way, we met at Nightmare Factory. No we didn't, Judy,
well you kind of did. Do you remember the button
face video?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yes, that's Judy.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Judy.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, Judy. So we've kind of unofficially met.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So Judy invited both of us, but kind of already
knowing that Caitlyn wouldn't want to go to the haunted
house called the Nightmare Factory. It's at the Organ School
for the Deaf in Salem, Oregon. You know, we invited
Caitlyn she is she was like, I'm busy that day,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was there in right, So.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I brought my friend Michelle with me and we had
a blast going through. We were the only ones in there.
We got to go through alone, and Judy was nice
enough and oh my gosh, and all the actors were
just so nice enough to just let us take I mean,
we tried not to take too much time, but we
took a little time looking at everything because they work
(17:45):
so hard, of course, putting it all together, and it's
so beautifully decorated. So we just took our time in there,
you know, wandering around all scared, looking at everything, you know,
getting distracted looking at something and then get scared. So
that made the jump scares like even better. Oh yeah,
it was so much fun. And I gosh, I did
(18:07):
feel I feel bad sometimes because we were just really
looking at things and I was like, man, I'm sure
they want the actors want to get out of here.
They're like, get these people, we want to go home.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I don't know. It's a passion project.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah. I hope they had fun, because we had just
a ton of fun just hanging out there and getting
scared and hanging out with Judy. There was one point
where she she was at the beginning and then she
met us like in another part and she was doing
the scare monster thing and it had a little mishappen.
(18:43):
We have a video of it that I'll probably I'll
probably put together a little video for Patreon, just like
a little bonus. Something happened with the with the thing
with the scare, and so we were just cracking up, laughing.
I was like, one of the rules is you can't
touch anything, oh you know, out of respect, you don't
(19:04):
mess anything up. But something fell off of the scare
and I was like, I would like pick it up,
but I like, can't because I'm not spelled.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And then she came out and it was Judy, and
so we were cracking up. So that was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And then she kind of you know, walked around with
us for a little bit, pointing out a couple little
things here and there, and then it was a really
good time. I love that it would have been too
scary for you, though, I think you would. I don't
think you would have. You would like to do like
the lights on tour. Oh yeah, like that's so you
could see all the details and things. But yeah, or
(19:43):
maybe lights like in the dark tour but like no scares,
no job. Maybe yeah, I like that too. Maybe we'll
have to set something like that up for you someday.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, one of these days. Okay, So everybody who has
access to these things that will make me not never.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Sleep again or pee her pants.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, also peeing my pants not on my bucket list.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay, So we get a little backstory here from Judy.
I met my now husband through his daughter and my son,
both age five. Oh it's a kindergarten, right, kindergarten? Yeah,
to the two childless people trying to guess what uh
age kids go to school? What age grades.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Are kindergarten and then like high schoolishes ages, I can
guess that anywhere in between.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Really Yep, they went to the same babysitter, so I
knew the mom of his daughter before I knew him oh, okay,
you know my ex. So it all feels complicated. Machine
gun Kelly, just bringing that back. She asked me one
day to go pick her ex up in the next
town over and bring him over were to move in
(21:01):
with her because she was having a nervous breakdown and
needed her ex husband to move in with them. That's
an interesting request. But okay, okay, I did that, which
you know, you're so hopeful, you're such a helpful person, like,
go pick up my ex in the next town. I'm
sure maybe she has to.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, I hope, so, I really hope.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So I did that, And that's the first time I
met him, and I feel like it was like a
tailor's swift sparks fly situation. M After the ex wife
had recovered a little bit and was ready for him
to move on, I told him I needed somebody to
move onto the farm and help take care of my
(21:43):
son and also take care of the farm. I thought
she was gonna say, and also take care of me.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, that's his business, the farmland, if you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I hope you don't mind our dirty we kind of
I kind of know. I feel like I know Judy
a little bit, so I feel like we can make
a little joke.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Judy, I feel like at this point in your listenership,
you're not Yeah, if you're not acquainted with the dick
jokes then and are very juvenile humor. I just I'm sorry,
I sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Not sorry. Is that still the thing people say we
sawd it earlier? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I'm still little sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Maybe, but we can move on and finish your story
for her. Okay, after he moved onto the farm as
just a roommate taking care of things since I worked
and he didn't. Oh, that's very nice. That's like so
convenient too, Like put the man to work at the home.
We've just we talked about that, put the men in
the kitch literally, stay at home dog dad. We all
(22:48):
noticed that the ghost sounds that my son and I
would hear didn't happen when he was around.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I could explain away the steps on the stairs, since
the house was built in eighteen seventy and this was
about nineteen ninety seven when it all started happening, so
old house makes sounds very old, possibly or maybe they
were footsteps. I couldn't explain away the crashing sound in
my bedroom that turned out to be absolutely nothing when
(23:15):
he was not home. I don't like that. Okay, So
the sounds were like happening when he wasn't there and
when he was there.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, so they have a misogynous ghost.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Maybe that night I decided not to leave the couch
until he got home to check everything out, which I
totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So time went on, the kids got older and they
would always hear things happen when my roommate was not around.
The house burned down in two thousand and two and
we worked on building a new house. I'm so sorry.
That is like, oh that you just I feel like
you just like casually threw that in there.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh that gave me chills though.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Wow. I was married to someone else at the time,
so I had the farm nanny, his daughter, my son,
and my husband all living in this big farmhouse. So far,
farm nanny is the roommate who's future husband.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Okay, so that makes sense. But it's like it's like
multi well I guess I want to say, like multi generational,
multi family, their kid. Yeah, multi family is the right
way to say that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think, Yeah, it's farm nanny and his daughter and
then yeah, Judy, her husband and their kid. So it
is like two families and one.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, multi family. No, that's that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And I mean it's a big farmhouse, right, so it
seems seems legit seems like it. So we get the
house finished, and my husband at the time, right, because
our house burned down and all those people were living
in it is that Oh my gosh, okay, they were
finishing a new house. And my husband at the time, well,
he had some issues of his own. He was a
(25:03):
drug addict as well as verbally abusive, mentally abusive, and
really didn't help much at all when we were building
the house. Well that is oh, well, that's rude, that's shitty.
I'm sorry to go through that. I'm glad you have it.
Sounds like other people around you to help though, yeah,
oh it sounds okay. Sorry, this sounds like like just
(25:27):
you know, when it rains at poors type of situation
because it keeps going. My dad died a little after
we had finished the house. My kids would say they
heard things and would say that they knew it was grandpa. Oh,
like sad and heartwarming at the same time. They would
(25:48):
just ask Grandpa to be quiet and all was fine,
just boh, my, your grandpa. We're trying to focus.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Keep it down, we're trying to fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was so sweet that they're not even scared because
they were just like, it's grandpa.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's grandpa. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
We were just talking about how ghost should be that
scary because they're just people. They're just us.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Soon after, I ended up divorcing that husband, and years
later I ended up marrying the roommate. So the farm nanny.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Farm, Okay, I had to I had to stop myself.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was like, boy bye, say hello new farm boy.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh it was her.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Princess bride farm boy. And he would say as you
wish to her every time she needed something down on
the farm. And that's just how it is in my head.
And you can't, Judy, Please don't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, listen, Usually we are all about reporting the facts,
but if those aren't the facts, we want to report
false news. I can't handle the truth.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Someone's gonna clip that from me saying we report false
news and like put it all over TikTok, and like.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know what, people are gonna do peoply things, and
they're gonna do what they're gonna do? What are you
gonna do?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So this is how things kept going. I'd hear things
even after the kids moved out, but not if my
new husband was there. Everything was always quiet. So he
was like maybe like a shield, He's like a protector.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Oh you know what, though, that kind of makes sense
because think about all of the things that used to
happen in the old apartment m and a lot of
it happened when Chris wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh. I never brought this up to anybody, but finally
I said something in a forum online and a friend
of mine messaged me that lives a thousand miles away,
but we had visited just a little while before that,
so they keep in touch on on the forum. It
reminds me kind of me and you and like same,
(28:00):
like morbid fangroup.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's so funny. I was thinking kind of the thing.
I'm like just far.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I saw our post on there and was like,
oh my gosh, I just saw you, and like this
is happening. That would be kind of crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It would you have to like take that as some
sort of a sign. I think she.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Has said that she always hears voices and always sees things,
and when my husband was there, everything was quiet. So
this person was also experiencing the same things in the house.
Oh my gosh, that's very validating. Yeah. I felt that
finally somebody else saw what I was seeing, and my
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husband was kind of amazed at it as well. Okay,
so making the husband believe is a huge milestone in life. Yeah,
in the paranormal world, or the making the like spouse believe. Yeah,
you're a god.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Damn right it is. I were breaking him down every goad,
damn day.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Chills all in a way. Fast forward maybe ten years.
We went to Virginia City in Nevada. That's confusing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That is very confusing, and I don't like it. I'm
not gonna lie. We're not gonna like this either, because
it's great. We went to Virginia City in Nevada and
visited the McKay mansion there that is haunted. So we
went inside and I was talking to the guy that
had just captured some growls on his phone and I
(29:28):
was listening to what he had in his recordings. Zach
Begins had been there a couple of weeks earlier, by
the way, so you walked where Zach Begans walked in
the footsteps. Cue the jerk off motion.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We talked about love hate love hate love hate.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it's uh, the ratio swings hard in one direction.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If you know, I'm a hard fifty to fifty. You
can't break me either way. It's a hard fifty to fifty.
A little later, someone walked up to my husband and
asked when he was leaving. All the activity stopped when
he came in, So I think they're asking like, hey,
can you get out of here so we can like
experience some paranormal activity please?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So either he's so scary that the ghosts are afraid
of him, or he's a protector, which I'm being a protector,
or or or.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
My first theory, which was that they are misogynous ghosts
and they're just like, we don't want to behave badly
towards females in front of another.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
May that's true, and if Zach Begans was just there,
they're probably like, man, he was like on our side,
where's the bagel bites? So that's kind of funny though
that they were like, Okay, when is this guy leaving?
Because yeah, yeah, they're like, cuz ain't nothing happening. So
we left soon after that they got man, they got
(30:58):
kicked out of the ghost places.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's hilarious. You got kicked out because you are ghost kryptonite. Yes, literally.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh so maybe you need to bring him with you.
That's what I might.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'm like not to be inappropriate with other people's husbands,
but when I borrow you, like also like we can
all hang out together. I'm not trying to make it weird.
Yeah right, I just I really potentially need some ghost kryptonite.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So we're fast forwarding again to November seventeenth, twenty nineteen.
Ooh ooh, right before all hell work loose, right before
the the Great Panini.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, the Great Panini. Yeah, remember the before times.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Oh, we were invited to a party which was probably
the last party you attended for very long No.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Oh oh boy, I hope you went because it was
about to be a very long long time.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh, it sounds like they went. So we were invited
to a party with our Haunt friends at the Delaney House.
Sound familiar, which they own, So VICKI I'm assuming I
can't remember when Vicky said that they took ownership of
the house, so it was either Vicky or the previous owner.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
No, they've had it. They've had it for longer than that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I had known that she was inviting a tarot card
reader and a paranormal investigation team to her haunted house.
They start investigating outside of the house on the back porch,
the wrap around porch.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
The wrap around porch. Why ev would they do that?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because it's cool out there, nice and pretty.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I do love a wrap around porch.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They have a tablet with the Xbox Connect SLS camera
attached it, so they're getting figures like stick figures on
the screen, which is basically I was just about to say,
what an SLS camera, But it shows stick figures basically
like it tries to find a human shape, okay, and
then it makes it look like a stick figure.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, that's exactly what I was picturing
when you say SLS camera. Yeah, I got confused when
they said something about Xbox and I was like, I
don't play video games.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, but it's not a video game. It's a ghost
catching machine. Okay, all right, good.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Because I was going to phone a friends I'm the
friend you phone for ghost in phone? Well, sure, but
for video game stuff. I was gonna oh, yes, yeah,
I was going to phone probably my husband.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, he would be the better knowledge man. Yes, m hm,
there was just one and it was on the back porch.
They found one stick figure on the back porch.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I wander where on the back porch I want to
wear those specifically, where in the wrap around was the figure.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Where As soon as he comes out, this stick figure
becomes a massive number of lines, just squiggly. Ah, and
it disappears. No, thank you, ooh, like a squiggly monster.
I don't know why that is creeping me out. Yeah.
At that point, my husband said, well, I know everybody
(34:23):
else always believed, but now I believe too. We go
to the Delaney house often, but now if there's ghost
hunting happening, Hubby doesn't come. Now he believes, and now
he's scared.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Okay, so actually he's maybe he's more like me than
we thought.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Okay. Yeah, it took him to see a stick figure
turn into a massive amount of squiggly lines. Yeah, I've
never seen that happen before. I've seen a lot of
ghost hunting footage. Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie to
you guys. I'm feeling suddenly like I need a potty break.
(35:06):
The last line says, Judy, Judy, your name inaer for yourself, Juy.
(35:30):
We are pulling a moon Oracle card for Judy in
her story because we like to do the Moon Oracle
just to switch it up so we're not always doing
taro for everything. And they're just generally very positive cards.
And I'm already sending Judy a mini tarot reading for
(35:51):
inviting us to the Haunted House and for sending us
a story. So you're gonna get some little extra stickers
and some things, because hello, we send out stickers for stories.
We bribe you.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Didn't know that, I just like to send people things.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So honestly, I do have some stamps that I'm dying
to use. They're a little off season, but uh, you know,
you got some stories.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I still have the Manatee stamps. I really really like
to buy, like random, weird stamps. Sometimes I'll use a
stand a stamp in the middle of summer. You don't
know what you're gonna get with them, you really don't.
I just want want to.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Send I know we do.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
We like to put stickers all over it. Yeah, you
can get our signatures. You can probably our identity, support
the USPS and the and H send us your stories
so we can support the USPS and use the stamps
to send you stickers.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
We're doing our part, are you okay?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So I'm gonna put my mic so I can put
the cards to my chesticles my heart. Oh, and we're
gonna feel out a card together, me and Caitlyn. She's
gonna send me her energy to my fingertips.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
There it is. It's an owl.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It's this soulful. We got a little fuzzy owl.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's the cute tip.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It looks like a I don't know if it's a
baby owl, but it looks like a little baby fuzzy owl.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
They look like a barbe bie.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And there's a it's interesting because it's nighttime. But there's
a bee.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, it does look like a.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Be a mosquito. I don't see who knows.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I feel like that looks like a bee.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Soulful. I feel like Judy is pretty soulful. I'm hung
out with her a little bit and she was very like,
you know, into character. I mean, you saw her in
character that I did. Yeah, that's pretty funny. So the
quote it says happiness for resides in possessions and not
in gold. Happiness dwells in the soul. I love that.
(38:06):
That's so sweet. I just feel like I feel like
I get that vibe from Judy. I don't know, maybe
she's not like that, Judy, you could tell us. I
don't know where that well, I met her for like,
you know, a couple minutes, but I feel like I
got that vibe feeling. Depth and journey are the keywords.
(38:26):
Your soul is the spiritual part of your being. Look
closely into the mirror of your innermost existence, and you
will find your deepest, rist most authentic thoughts and feelings.
Each memory. Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa wo whoa whoa. Okay, I
was trying to focus on reading. Okay, okay, and then
(38:48):
I realized that look, for some reason, my eyes when
I read don't want to go where they're supposed to,
and sometimes they look all around the page, and that's
why I struggled. But I looked at the very top
of the page, and there's a fire, a flame, and
her house burnt down. Oh do you remember that? But
then it felt like it kind of in the thing.
(39:09):
I was like, Oh, she kind of just dropped this
in like casually in one sentence. But I'm sure you
know that's a huge life thing. Like it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Casually, and it seemed like enormous.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It seemed like she took it just very well, like
rebuilt a new home and like just restarted. And same
with having you know, a bad difficult marriage. Yeah, you
just have.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
To my god, either of those things is a lot journey.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, feeling depth the journey, like all of those things
were in her story for sure. Oh okay, I can't
even remember where I'm at because that just like for now,
each memory and experience that is part of your soul
is safely tucked away inside of you. Light the sparks
in your soul, be carefree, let your colors dance wildly
(40:00):
around you, dig deep in your garden, will flourish and
bloom endlessly.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
That is so.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Your own soul journey is very personal. Protect your internal
soulful powers. You are the keeper of them. Remember, you
are a wondrous, soulful being who knows you best of all.
So it's saying you know you best of all?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Is that what I was saying, I mean that's kind
of oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you are the keeper of
your Yeah, that's so sweet. I definitely get yeah, I
get this whole vibe from her. I know I said that,
but it just all makes sense to me. There is
an intention at the.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Oh okay, well we gotta know.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Let your magical light glow around you. Soft stardust will
dance like fireflies in the wondrous twilight sky. Oh my gosh,
I'm so pretty.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I really just like so curious about the bee. Yeah,
what did bees do at night?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Now I need to go on a whole rabbit hole
and like do bees? Are bees out at night? What's
the similism of bees? Judy? I'm like, does a bee
connect with you? I really want to know if a
beer and I'll connect with you and we'll post a
picture of the card.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Okay, so I could be totally crazy when me be
the first time? Are you know? But it says most
bees are inactive and remain in their hive to rest
and process collected nectar into honey, tend to the brood,
(41:40):
and perform hive maintenance tasks like cleaning and ventilation at
night time. Bees are I'm not sure that I'm going
to say this right, diurnal, meaning they are active during
the day and they use the night to recover from foraging,
ensuring a well fununctioning colony for the next day's activities.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, which is like opposite of an owl, which is nocturnal.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, So I kind of think that feels symbolic in
this case though, I'm just I'm just gonna give this
like totally my own life. It's been an interpretation on this,
but like if if you're like living on a farm
and you have, you know, this person that you are
(42:28):
partnered with, Like think about how Judy described her you know,
previous marriage and that partnership and what that must have
been like, particularly as someone who is trying to raise
children having a partner that like you are literally kind
(42:50):
of like you're you're like going through the motions. You
are a busy bee, Yeah, trying to hold it all together.
So like seeing kind of like those contrasting imagery in
terms of the animals and thinking about the what I
(43:11):
have to imagine our very start contrast in terms of
her relationship relationships. I can't speak for Judy, but like,
to me, it makes sense in a way that it's like,
it's these very disparate times in your life. Yeah, I'll
go out on a limb and say that, you know,
I have had at various points in my life times
(43:34):
where I have in various relationship dynamics. I have, you know,
been close to people that are dealing with active addiction.
And the way that you are moving through the world
and your everyday life is so different from how you
are moving when you are you know, interacting with people
(43:57):
that are living in you know, healthy way, and that
comes from not a place of you know, judgment, but
just these are the facts and you're just grappling with
something that is so big. Yeah, in those situations and.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's like shrouded in darkness, Like it feels like very symbolic.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Okay, I'm sorry, Taylor Swift. I'm so sorry, like not sorry.
Is this not the song Opal Light where this guy
was Onyx and then now it's Oval Light. I don't
know the exact lyrics, but yeah, I feel like Judy
(44:42):
is the Opal lighte Like she wanted she wanted to
be like the busy bee like during the daytime and
like had to make her own light.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
And I think that what makes a lot of us
have like a soulful vibe or gives us death as
people are the experiences that can be very dark and
for better or for worse, you know, those experiences I
(45:12):
think in a lot of cases allow us to have
empathy for other people.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah. Oh and I kind of like I sort of
like I think I said it once the Nightmare Factory.
It's at the organ School of the Death. But Judy
no sign language, which I don't know, like any sign language.
So I'm like trying to communicate with people and we're
not speaking the same language. And Judy was just like
(45:38):
right there to translate. Yeah, and so I was just like,
oh my gosh it and in just like to do
sign language, like I feel like you have to feel it,
like you have to be soulful, like you can't. Yeah,
you have to like feel the what you're saying, I
think for it to come across right. I could be
totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
But honestly, the physicality of a language, particularly ASL is
I mean, I can't necessarily speak from experience, but I
mean just tremendous because you are expressing everything through these
(46:18):
literally non verbal you know, hand signals and it's interesting
to see how expressive, you know, people are when they
are signing. And I find that, like, I feel like
there are so many things that we all say day
to day that we just sort of it's like these
(46:41):
throwaway phrases, and I feel like, and you know, maybe
once you have been signing for years and years, there's
a certain amount of you know, las a fair that
just sort of happens over time. But I just feel
like what I perceive from the outside just this very
expressive of language because it is by virtue nonverbal in
(47:05):
the sense that it's not you know, it's not auditory verbal.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, it's beautiful to watch too, I was, it really is.
I just like to watch it in awe and like
try to absorb as much as I can. I'm not
like great at it, but it is interesting too because
at the end she was signing with someone who was
in a bowl mask, and like you could even see
even though they're wearing a mask, like you can tell
like they're expressing.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
It's those expressions and things that like you pick up
on and even just.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
In hand movements.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But it really is, it's so many little things, and
I think people don't realize and one thing that I
feel like, particularly actually researching for our show, that I
have picked up on at a level that is like
so much more intense and in depth than you know,
(48:00):
what I innately feel like I understood prior at least
was it's wild how much your body gives away, like
even people that are stone cold killers, like the amount
of nonverbal cues that you give away, Like and you
(48:25):
don't have to be an you don't have to be
a serial killer or anything like this happens in everyday communication.
People can realize that, like, oh, I'm picking up on
this person's uncomfortable or you know, I mean, it could
just be a little white lie, but people pick up
a certain brain. Yes, it very much is. I find
(48:47):
it so fascinating. I find it so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Du do you have to listen?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
If any of that means anything too like, please immediately
damn me on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Lot to us, you have recording for almost two hours
to night and meant a.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Lot to us and have day see you'll see you
next Tuesday. Look you sees and let me see this here.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I am going to h what was it? Horror cinema?
Drive in ye do hikey this weekend. I'm so excited.
There will be photos. Stay tuned, keep tuned, just keep tuned,
creep tuned.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Oh, I like that creep tune. So am I am
I reading some of these or no? Oh, I just
I never don't.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Need you for this. I just you just sit over
there and.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Sh okay. I just never know what we're doing, so
but I.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Never know what she's doing. The well, we don't have
any meat loaf today, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I would not do anything for love, and I won't
do that famous meat loaf lyrics.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, but I won't do that.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
What won't you do? I know what it is. It's
There's a very predominant male presence who refuses to give
us his name. He likes to give like fake names.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah, kind of,
but he's probably not that cool.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But the thing is is like he wants us to
believe that he's a demon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ah, but we know he's not.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's one of the really funny things. We just we
know that he isn't. But he's just like, I am
big tough man.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We don't like those living or dead. Yep, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi,
Creepy People. Hello, this is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
Listening presumably, or you are stumbling across this the first
time and you're very confused and for that we will
not apologize. We also do a tarot reading at the
end of every episode for a little bit of deeper
insight into our topic.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, hey, do you like taro? Stay like us? So
we have a Creepy People Chronicles episode for you today,
which is stories from our listeners, stories from sometimes me,
but surprised this one's not all about me this time.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
What I know?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I know, darn it right. Well, it's kind of semi
about me, but like only a little bit. Oh okay,
So we have a couple stories that I left out
of the Delaney House episode from Vicky and Zoe. So
Vicky had a story of do you remember the mediums
that she was talking about Meggie and Sherry that came
(02:04):
to visit, and I'm saying do you remember, I'm kind
of talking to you and to the audience because she
didn't mention them in the episode. Okay, So Vicky has
stories from the couple mediums that visit all the time
and do paranormal investigations there at the Delaney House. She
has a story involving them. Oh, there is a story.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Where Maggie and Sherry had gotten kind of a message
when they were going to leave one night and they
were said, next time you come, they sit out there.
Next time you come, sit and bring a third chair,
and they went off some special it's going to come,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So next time they came, they sat out there.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You know, you know, they worked in the house and
did their normal investigation, but they would go out there
and they had that chair there all evening and nobody
ever sat in it, and they thought, I wonder why.
And then a friend of mine called and said, you know,
my husband and I would like to come and spend
the night on the way to California. I said, okay,
And so I asked them and they said, yeah, it's okay,
(03:08):
we're going to be leaving. We're not going to be
here all night.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I said, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So my friend shows up and she went out there
and she had a question for them about clearing a
space of negative energy and they said, well, and it
was in another state and they said, no, we really
don't know anybody why. And then Maggie said to Jerry, well,
tell them about that time thirteen years ago that you
were in. Well, it's Quarterley in Idaho. So she said, well,
(03:36):
we were on a trip we stay, you know, we
needed a place to stop and have dinner. We were tired,
so we stopped and we started eating at this Chinese
restaurant and my friend was crying and they're like, are
you okay? And I stepped outside right at that moment
and said what's going on? And she you know, they
you know, they got done telling her that, and she goes,
(03:57):
all I heard was Shasta, stop, Shasta, no Asta house.
And she kept hearing this, and Sherry was going, count Shasta,
what are you talking about? And she said, I'm sorry,
but you're too loud. I'm going to go outside and
eat because I can't eat. Someone's screaming in my ear. Whoa,
And so she went outside and that was the end
(04:19):
of it, you know. So here we are, thirteen years later,
she's telling this story and my friend is crying. And
my friend said, well, that was my family's Chinese restaurant,
my family that was murdered by a serial killer, and
the youngest daughter, Shasta, was the only one who survived.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes, I know this story. So she said.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
All I wanted to do was literally have someone go
to this how to the place where it happened, and
tell the mother that we were sorry. When we went
to the funeral, the two children were still missing. They
went to the funeral for the oldest son and the
boyfriend and the mother and her brother who it was
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his kids no longer lived there anymore, and they just
wanted to say they were sorry. Because they thought that
she had been it had been some bad friends of hers,
or something had happened. That was her phone, and they said,
we just want her to know that we are sorry,
because we never in a million years thought, you know,
(05:25):
that we that it was that you know, that it
was a serial killer. You know, we just thought there's
something bad had happened. And the ladies were sitting here
and they went, she knows. So this was somehow facilitated
by my spirits. My friend came here all the time
(05:45):
and would sit out there in that corner. And every
time she'd come, she'd sit all night. She's kind of
a night owl. She'd sit there all night, Yeah, and
just you know, the perfect night and listen to the
owls and you know, just enjoy herself. And she she
often saw someone walking through the you know, on the
porch and stuff at night.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I just feel like the whole story kind of came
to a point where they reached out. And it was
her nephew who was one of the boys that was killed.
He was the one who wanted to you know, wanted
to reach out and knew that his aunt was suffering.
And it was okay, everybody knows that you guys are sorry.
(06:27):
So that was almost the moment where I really believed
a lot more than I ever had been before, because
how would they know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, right, there's just there's just no way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
So, and it was just so weird, just so far
apart from us every meeting, any of us ever meeting.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So wow. And then we have another story from Zoe,
who was the paranormal investigator that we talked to who
works at Ghosts of the Grand Yeah, and she has
a story about an entity or something negative that hangs
(07:06):
around I think she said in the basement, we'll hear
the story. We'll hear it directly from Zoe, so she
could tell us.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm so excited to hear all of these things that
I was there for but have no memory of and
didn't hear and absorb in real time.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I don't know where you were for the interview
with Zoe. You weren't there, but I don't know if
you had lingered in the background at all, or I
think I might have been in the kitchen. I think
at that point Vicky was making me tea. Oh yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, there's a lot of activity in the basement. There's
a lot of women in the basement. Surprisingly kind of
braces my whole heart. There's a lot of women's spirits
in the basement. There's some children down there, and there's
there's a very predominant male present who were refuses to
(08:01):
give us his name, and it pisses me off because
there's been multiple people that have gone to the grand
and every single one that I've seen at least has
come across him. And he likes to give like fake names.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh okay, but he will demon vibes. Yeah kind of,
but he's probably not that cool.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But the thing is is like he wants us to
believe that he's a demon.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Ah, but we know he's not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That's one of the really funny things. We just we
know that he isn't. But he's just like I am
a big tough man.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We don't like those living or dead.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, there is a reason why he he is
the one spirit down there that I will take a
little page out of zaxx book.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Because it's like, if you were actually a demon, you
would have possessed me by now.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, it's funny because he does he does like to
manipulate the time in the basement.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, like, does he make it hot?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He makes it very hot in rooms down there, which
you know it's it's a basement in one D and
twenty five cold. There's no heating down there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, there's no heating.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
There's no heaters down there. There is the original furnace
of the building down there, but that is not operational.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Does he come with a sulfury smell? Are we sure
he's not a devon?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah? No. A lot of people attribute making rooms hotter
with demons.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well that's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, but from everything that we've been able to tell,
he's not a demon.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I feel like he just did his research and trying
to think it until he makes it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He likes to swear at people. He likes to touch women,
especially inappropriately. Oh yeah, I have a lot of experiences
with him. He's called me bitch on our spirit box
one time I called for I wish that we had
it on film because I would share it because it is.
It's one of the funniest things to me, because it
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is such it's such a time bringing people down into
the basement that I've just met and immediately hearing bitch
as I'm talking about him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That is not cool.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm sorry, I find it hilarious personally. Yeah, people have
been like, oh, that is so horrible. It's like, yeah,
I'm used to it with him though. That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I just feel like, I am a bitch, so whatch.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I'm a bitch to him specifically.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you know, it's maybe that's his way of just
greeting you. Now, He's like, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He likes to try and take control the situation. I
think he doesn't like that. I'm not scared of him.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Right, like a strong woman, strong independent women.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, I've never been afraid down there ever. And uh,
usually spirits like that, especially ones who in life were
very like controlling men, they especially hate it in death
if you're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I like, I just want to go there so bad?
Is this in the basement?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, it's in the basement.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's where you lock people down like you do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We bring people down there and we bring our supplies in.
We we have a rempot, we have I think two rempods,
and we have a spirit box. We have EVPs that
we give people and we have a little spirit chat
box where it's it's like a spirit box, but it's
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basically like a dictionary. It's a whole library of words
where the energy can be manipulated to the point where
it brings up specific words.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Is it like.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, it's like an.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, got it? And do you get a lot of activity? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So much. They they've been really excited ever since we
brought in the spirit chat box. They love that thing
so much, so much so that we don't really get
in anything on our actual spirit boxes really anymore. They
are so preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
With taking their words.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. I think they like that. It's a lot more
specific for them.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That is so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, because with a spirit box, you know, they have
to go through channels and pick out words from those. Yeah,
whereas with this is they can just they pick out
what word they want with how they manipulate it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
In theory, yeah, right, we know we kind of know
how these things.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Work because they're in this podcast. We understand, but I
will clarify in theory because unfortunately we only understand so
much about how our instruments work. Scientifically, well, we're always
trying to understand, and I mean the most the thing
I think we're all trying to do is just gather
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as much evidence as possible.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We're not saying like, this is totally evidence of a ghost,
but we're just trying to gather as much evidence as
possible to just try to understand the other side. So, yeah,
we're investigating. We're paranormal investigators exactly. That's what investigating is,
is just trying to understand.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, look and try and understand. I love glancing over
and just seeing the flashing the flashlight thoughts so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know I kind of forgot to pay attention to them.
But oh, yep, thank you, yeah, thank you, thanks for
playing with us. That's so much fun adding to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Honestly, I've yeah, I've never run into anything that I've
been genuinely afraid of or genuinely think would bring me
like absolute harm. I I can't say for certain if
the bad man would want to, he probably would try
and harm me if you could, but he can't.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You're too protected.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, And that is a really important thing is if
you ever go paranormal investigating, remember please use protections.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Use protection. Everybody use protection.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You just have a black tormaline on you or visualize
like a white shield around you before you go. That's
a really good one. I like to use visualization. But
I also I forgot to today just because I knew,
like coming in to hear, this is not a place
with any negative energy that I really need to shield
myself from. So I was like, I don't need to
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go all out, but I use perfume with intention.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh that's genius. Yeah, because see.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, it's just really easy and it's something that people
can do every day really too, just like before they
go outside. You know a lot of people like wear
like perfumes are cologne. So it's just like doing that
and like setting your intentions while you.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Do keep it all a little selenite stone or something
and like, yeah, but just the intention though, like weave
a little magic and life. I think it helps.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I don't think I got mentioned in the Ghosts of
the Delaney House episode because spoiler alert, there might be more,
but I don't think I got mentioned that Chelsea, who
runs Ghosts of the Grand hooked us up with Vicky
at the Delaney House.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yes she did.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
She hooked us up with phone numbers and like set
this whole thing up for us to come and tour
it and hang out and do the interviews.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, Unfortunately, she couldn't be there that day, but we're
we're gonna have her on probably at some other point,
and we're going to be visiting ghosts of the Grand
very soon. Yes, we are, stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm just saying good things come from Chelsea's.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So we got an email. Someone finally emailed us as story.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
After me say that threatening you guys, someone emailed you
say that. But we got another email and I might
read a part of it in the episode where I
take their case suggestion.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So we got an email from a very important creepy person,
a vi i CP.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I'm not gonna lie. I kind of like that v
I CP.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And I don't know if you know this, but I
will tell you why she is a vi CP. Okay,
please do. We got an email from Judy about the
Delaney House. She says in her title Delaney House. Question Mark,
question Mark, question Mark. So she like listened to the
episode immediately and was like, oh, I have a story excellent.
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By the way, we met at Nightmare Factory. No we didn't, Judy,
well you kind of did. Do you remember the button
face video?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yes, that's Judy.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Judy.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, Judy. So we've kind of unofficially met.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So Judy invited both of us, but kind of already
knowing that Caitlyn wouldn't want to go to the haunted
house called the Nightmare Factory. It's at the Organ School
for the Deaf in Salem, Oregon. You know, we invited
Caitlyn she is she was like, I'm busy that day,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was there in right, So.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I brought my friend Michelle with me and we had
a blast going through. We were the only ones in there.
We got to go through alone, and Judy was nice
enough and oh my gosh, and all the actors were
just so nice enough to just let us take I mean,
we tried not to take too much time, but we
took a little time looking at everything because they work
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so hard, of course, putting it all together, and it's
so beautifully decorated. So we just took our time in there,
you know, wandering around all scared, looking at everything, you know,
getting distracted looking at something and then get scared. So
that made the jump scares like even better. Oh yeah,
it was so much fun. And I gosh, I did
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feel I feel bad sometimes because we were just really
looking at things and I was like, man, I'm sure
they want the actors want to get out of here.
They're like, get these people, we want to go home.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I don't know. It's a passion project.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah. I hope they had fun, because we had just
a ton of fun just hanging out there and getting
scared and hanging out with Judy. There was one point
where she she was at the beginning and then she
met us like in another part and she was doing
the scare monster thing and it had a little mishappen.
(18:43):
We have a video of it that I'll probably I'll
probably put together a little video for Patreon, just like
a little bonus. Something happened with the with the thing
with the scare, and so we were just cracking up, laughing.
I was like, one of the rules is you can't
touch anything, oh you know, out of respect, you don't
(19:04):
mess anything up. But something fell off of the scare
and I was like, I would like pick it up,
but I like, can't because I'm not spelled.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And then she came out and it was Judy, and
so we were cracking up. So that was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And then she kind of you know, walked around with
us for a little bit, pointing out a couple little
things here and there, and then it was a really
good time. I love that it would have been too
scary for you, though, I think you would. I don't
think you would have. You would like to do like
the lights on tour. Oh yeah, like that's so you
could see all the details and things. But yeah, or
(19:43):
maybe lights like in the dark tour but like no scares,
no job. Maybe yeah, I like that too. Maybe we'll
have to set something like that up for you someday.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, one of these days. Okay, So everybody who has
access to these things that will make me not never.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Sleep again or pee her pants.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, also peeing my pants not on my bucket list.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay, So we get a little backstory here from Judy.
I met my now husband through his daughter and my son,
both age five. Oh it's a kindergarten, right, kindergarten? Yeah,
to the two childless people trying to guess what uh
age kids go to school? What age grades.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Are kindergarten and then like high schoolishes ages, I can
guess that anywhere in between.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Really Yep, they went to the same babysitter, so I
knew the mom of his daughter before I knew him oh, okay,
you know my ex. So it all feels complicated. Machine
gun Kelly, just bringing that back. She asked me one
day to go pick her ex up in the next
town over and bring him over were to move in
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with her because she was having a nervous breakdown and
needed her ex husband to move in with them. That's
an interesting request. But okay, okay, I did that, which
you know, you're so hopeful, you're such a helpful person, like,
go pick up my ex in the next town. I'm
sure maybe she has to.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, I hope, so, I really hope.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So I did that, And that's the first time I
met him, and I feel like it was like a
tailor's swift sparks fly situation. M After the ex wife
had recovered a little bit and was ready for him
to move on, I told him I needed somebody to
move onto the farm and help take care of my
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son and also take care of the farm. I thought
she was gonna say, and also take care of me.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, that's his business, the farmland, if you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I hope you don't mind our dirty we kind of
I kind of know. I feel like I know Judy
a little bit, so I feel like we can make
a little joke.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Judy, I feel like at this point in your listenership,
you're not Yeah, if you're not acquainted with the dick
jokes then and are very juvenile humor. I just I'm sorry,
I sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Not sorry. Is that still the thing people say we
sawd it earlier? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I'm still little sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Maybe, but we can move on and finish your story
for her. Okay, after he moved onto the farm as
just a roommate taking care of things since I worked
and he didn't. Oh, that's very nice. That's like so
convenient too, Like put the man to work at the home.
We've just we talked about that, put the men in
the kitch literally, stay at home dog dad. We all
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noticed that the ghost sounds that my son and I
would hear didn't happen when he was around.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I could explain away the steps on the stairs, since
the house was built in eighteen seventy and this was
about nineteen ninety seven when it all started happening, so
old house makes sounds very old, possibly or maybe they
were footsteps. I couldn't explain away the crashing sound in
my bedroom that turned out to be absolutely nothing when
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he was not home. I don't like that. Okay, So
the sounds were like happening when he wasn't there and
when he was there.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, so they have a misogynous ghost.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Maybe that night I decided not to leave the couch
until he got home to check everything out, which I
totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So time went on, the kids got older and they
would always hear things happen when my roommate was not around.
The house burned down in two thousand and two and
we worked on building a new house. I'm so sorry.
That is like, oh that you just I feel like
you just like casually threw that in there.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh that gave me chills though.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Wow. I was married to someone else at the time,
so I had the farm nanny, his daughter, my son,
and my husband all living in this big farmhouse. So far,
farm nanny is the roommate who's future husband.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Okay, so that makes sense. But it's like it's like
multi well I guess I want to say, like multi generational,
multi family, their kid. Yeah, multi family is the right
way to say that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think, Yeah, it's farm nanny and his daughter and
then yeah, Judy, her husband and their kid. So it
is like two families and one.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, multi family. No, that's that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And I mean it's a big farmhouse, right, so it
seems seems legit seems like it. So we get the
house finished, and my husband at the time, right, because
our house burned down and all those people were living
in it is that Oh my gosh, okay, they were
finishing a new house. And my husband at the time, well,
he had some issues of his own. He was a
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drug addict as well as verbally abusive, mentally abusive, and
really didn't help much at all when we were building
the house. Well that is oh, well, that's rude, that's shitty.
I'm sorry to go through that. I'm glad you have it.
Sounds like other people around you to help though, yeah,
oh it sounds okay. Sorry, this sounds like like just
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you know, when it rains at poors type of situation
because it keeps going. My dad died a little after
we had finished the house. My kids would say they
heard things and would say that they knew it was grandpa. Oh,
like sad and heartwarming at the same time. They would
(25:48):
just ask Grandpa to be quiet and all was fine,
just boh, my, your grandpa. We're trying to focus.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Keep it down, we're trying to fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was so sweet that they're not even scared because
they were just like, it's grandpa.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's grandpa. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
We were just talking about how ghost should be that
scary because they're just people. They're just us.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Soon after, I ended up divorcing that husband, and years
later I ended up marrying the roommate. So the farm nanny.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Farm, Okay, I had to I had to stop myself.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was like, boy bye, say hello new farm boy.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh it was her.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Princess bride farm boy. And he would say as you
wish to her every time she needed something down on
the farm. And that's just how it is in my head.
And you can't, Judy, Please don't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, listen, Usually we are all about reporting the facts,
but if those aren't the facts, we want to report
false news. I can't handle the truth.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Someone's gonna clip that from me saying we report false
news and like put it all over TikTok, and like.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know what, people are gonna do peoply things, and
they're gonna do what they're gonna do? What are you
gonna do?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So this is how things kept going. I'd hear things
even after the kids moved out, but not if my
new husband was there. Everything was always quiet. So he
was like maybe like a shield, He's like a protector.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Oh you know what, though, that kind of makes sense
because think about all of the things that used to
happen in the old apartment m and a lot of
it happened when Chris wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh. I never brought this up to anybody, but finally
I said something in a forum online and a friend
of mine messaged me that lives a thousand miles away,
but we had visited just a little while before that,
so they keep in touch on on the forum. It
reminds me kind of me and you and like same,
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like morbid fangroup.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's so funny. I was thinking kind of the thing.
I'm like just far.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I saw our post on there and was like,
oh my gosh, I just saw you, and like this
is happening. That would be kind of crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It would you have to like take that as some
sort of a sign. I think she.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Has said that she always hears voices and always sees things,
and when my husband was there, everything was quiet. So
this person was also experiencing the same things in the house.
Oh my gosh, that's very validating. Yeah. I felt that
finally somebody else saw what I was seeing, and my
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husband was kind of amazed at it as well. Okay,
so making the husband believe is a huge milestone in life. Yeah,
in the paranormal world, or the making the like spouse believe. Yeah,
you're a god.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Damn right it is. I were breaking him down every goad,
damn day.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Chills all in a way. Fast forward maybe ten years.
We went to Virginia City in Nevada. That's confusing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That is very confusing, and I don't like it. I'm
not gonna lie. We're not gonna like this either, because
it's great. We went to Virginia City in Nevada and
visited the McKay mansion there that is haunted. So we
went inside and I was talking to the guy that
had just captured some growls on his phone and I
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was listening to what he had in his recordings. Zach
Begins had been there a couple of weeks earlier, by
the way, so you walked where Zach Begans walked in
the footsteps. Cue the jerk off motion.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We talked about love hate love hate love hate.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it's uh, the ratio swings hard in one direction.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If you know, I'm a hard fifty to fifty. You
can't break me either way. It's a hard fifty to fifty.
A little later, someone walked up to my husband and
asked when he was leaving. All the activity stopped when
he came in, So I think they're asking like, hey,
can you get out of here so we can like
experience some paranormal activity please?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So either he's so scary that the ghosts are afraid
of him, or he's a protector, which I'm being a protector,
or or or.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
My first theory, which was that they are misogynous ghosts
and they're just like, we don't want to behave badly
towards females in front of another.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
May that's true, and if Zach Begans was just there,
they're probably like, man, he was like on our side,
where's the bagel bites? So that's kind of funny though
that they were like, Okay, when is this guy leaving?
Because yeah, yeah, they're like, cuz ain't nothing happening. So
we left soon after that they got man, they got
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kicked out of the ghost places.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's hilarious. You got kicked out because you are ghost kryptonite. Yes, literally.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh so maybe you need to bring him with you.
That's what I might.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'm like not to be inappropriate with other people's husbands,
but when I borrow you, like also like we can
all hang out together. I'm not trying to make it weird.
Yeah right, I just I really potentially need some ghost kryptonite.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So we're fast forwarding again to November seventeenth, twenty nineteen.
Ooh ooh, right before all hell work loose, right before
the the Great Panini.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, the Great Panini. Yeah, remember the before times.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Oh, we were invited to a party which was probably
the last party you attended for very long No.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Oh oh boy, I hope you went because it was
about to be a very long long time.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh, it sounds like they went. So we were invited
to a party with our Haunt friends at the Delaney House.
Sound familiar, which they own, So VICKI I'm assuming I
can't remember when Vicky said that they took ownership of
the house, so it was either Vicky or the previous owner.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
No, they've had it. They've had it for longer than that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I had known that she was inviting a tarot card
reader and a paranormal investigation team to her haunted house.
They start investigating outside of the house on the back porch,
the wrap around porch.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
The wrap around porch. Why ev would they do that?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because it's cool out there, nice and pretty.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I do love a wrap around porch.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They have a tablet with the Xbox Connect SLS camera
attached it, so they're getting figures like stick figures on
the screen, which is basically I was just about to say,
what an SLS camera, But it shows stick figures basically
like it tries to find a human shape, okay, and
then it makes it look like a stick figure.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, that's exactly what I was picturing
when you say SLS camera. Yeah, I got confused when
they said something about Xbox and I was like, I
don't play video games.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, but it's not a video game. It's a ghost
catching machine. Okay, all right, good.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Because I was going to phone a friends I'm the
friend you phone for ghost in phone? Well, sure, but
for video game stuff. I was gonna oh, yes, yeah,
I was going to phone probably my husband.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, he would be the better knowledge man. Yes, m hm,
there was just one and it was on the back porch.
They found one stick figure on the back porch.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I wander where on the back porch I want to
wear those specifically, where in the wrap around was the figure.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Where As soon as he comes out, this stick figure
becomes a massive number of lines, just squiggly. Ah, and
it disappears. No, thank you, ooh, like a squiggly monster.
I don't know why that is creeping me out. Yeah.
At that point, my husband said, well, I know everybody
(34:23):
else always believed, but now I believe too. We go
to the Delaney house often, but now if there's ghost
hunting happening, Hubby doesn't come. Now he believes, and now
he's scared.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Okay, so actually he's maybe he's more like me than
we thought.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Okay. Yeah, it took him to see a stick figure
turn into a massive amount of squiggly lines. Yeah, I've
never seen that happen before. I've seen a lot of
ghost hunting footage. Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie to
you guys. I'm feeling suddenly like I need a potty break.
(35:06):
The last line says, Judy, Judy, your name inaer for yourself, Juy.
(35:30):
We are pulling a moon Oracle card for Judy in
her story because we like to do the Moon Oracle
just to switch it up so we're not always doing
taro for everything. And they're just generally very positive cards.
And I'm already sending Judy a mini tarot reading for
(35:51):
inviting us to the Haunted House and for sending us
a story. So you're gonna get some little extra stickers
and some things, because hello, we send out stickers for stories.
We bribe you.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Didn't know that, I just like to send people things.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So honestly, I do have some stamps that I'm dying
to use. They're a little off season, but uh, you know,
you got some stories.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I still have the Manatee stamps. I really really like
to buy, like random, weird stamps. Sometimes I'll use a
stand a stamp in the middle of summer. You don't
know what you're gonna get with them, you really don't.
I just want want to.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Send I know we do.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
We like to put stickers all over it. Yeah, you
can get our signatures. You can probably our identity, support
the USPS and the and H send us your stories
so we can support the USPS and use the stamps
to send you stickers.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
We're doing our part, are you okay?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So I'm gonna put my mic so I can put
the cards to my chesticles my heart. Oh, and we're
gonna feel out a card together, me and Caitlyn. She's
gonna send me her energy to my fingertips.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
There it is. It's an owl.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It's this soulful. We got a little fuzzy owl.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's the cute tip.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It looks like a I don't know if it's a
baby owl, but it looks like a little baby fuzzy owl.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
They look like a barbe bie.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And there's a it's interesting because it's nighttime. But there's
a bee.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, it does look like a.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Be a mosquito. I don't see who knows.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I feel like that looks like a bee.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Soulful. I feel like Judy is pretty soulful. I'm hung
out with her a little bit and she was very like,
you know, into character. I mean, you saw her in
character that I did. Yeah, that's pretty funny. So the
quote it says happiness for resides in possessions and not
in gold. Happiness dwells in the soul. I love that.
(38:06):
That's so sweet. I just feel like I feel like
I get that vibe from Judy. I don't know, maybe
she's not like that, Judy, you could tell us. I
don't know where that well, I met her for like,
you know, a couple minutes, but I feel like I
got that vibe feeling. Depth and journey are the keywords.
(38:26):
Your soul is the spiritual part of your being. Look
closely into the mirror of your innermost existence, and you
will find your deepest, rist most authentic thoughts and feelings.
Each memory. Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa wo whoa whoa. Okay, I
was trying to focus on reading. Okay, okay, and then
(38:48):
I realized that look, for some reason, my eyes when
I read don't want to go where they're supposed to,
and sometimes they look all around the page, and that's
why I struggled. But I looked at the very top
of the page, and there's a fire, a flame, and
her house burnt down. Oh do you remember that? But
then it felt like it kind of in the thing.
(39:09):
I was like, Oh, she kind of just dropped this
in like casually in one sentence. But I'm sure you
know that's a huge life thing. Like it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Casually, and it seemed like enormous.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It seemed like she took it just very well, like
rebuilt a new home and like just restarted. And same
with having you know, a bad difficult marriage. Yeah, you
just have.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
To my god, either of those things is a lot journey.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, feeling depth the journey, like all of those things
were in her story for sure. Oh okay, I can't
even remember where I'm at because that just like for now,
each memory and experience that is part of your soul
is safely tucked away inside of you. Light the sparks
in your soul, be carefree, let your colors dance wildly
(40:00):
around you, dig deep in your garden, will flourish and
bloom endlessly.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
That is so.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Your own soul journey is very personal. Protect your internal
soulful powers. You are the keeper of them. Remember, you
are a wondrous, soulful being who knows you best of all.
So it's saying you know you best of all?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Is that what I was saying, I mean that's kind
of oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you are the keeper of
your Yeah, that's so sweet. I definitely get yeah, I
get this whole vibe from her. I know I said that,
but it just all makes sense to me. There is
an intention at the.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Oh okay, well we gotta know.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Let your magical light glow around you. Soft stardust will
dance like fireflies in the wondrous twilight sky. Oh my gosh,
I'm so pretty.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I really just like so curious about the bee. Yeah,
what did bees do at night?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Now I need to go on a whole rabbit hole
and like do bees? Are bees out at night? What's
the similism of bees? Judy? I'm like, does a bee
connect with you? I really want to know if a
beer and I'll connect with you and we'll post a
picture of the card.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Okay, so I could be totally crazy when me be
the first time? Are you know? But it says most
bees are inactive and remain in their hive to rest
and process collected nectar into honey, tend to the brood,
(41:40):
and perform hive maintenance tasks like cleaning and ventilation at
night time. Bees are I'm not sure that I'm going
to say this right, diurnal, meaning they are active during
the day and they use the night to recover from foraging,
ensuring a well fununctioning colony for the next day's activities.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, which is like opposite of an owl, which is nocturnal.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, So I kind of think that feels symbolic in
this case though, I'm just I'm just gonna give this
like totally my own life. It's been an interpretation on this,
but like if if you're like living on a farm
and you have, you know, this person that you are
(42:28):
partnered with, Like think about how Judy described her you know,
previous marriage and that partnership and what that must have
been like, particularly as someone who is trying to raise
children having a partner that like you are literally kind
(42:50):
of like you're you're like going through the motions. You
are a busy bee, Yeah, trying to hold it all together.
So like seeing kind of like those contrasting imagery in
terms of the animals and thinking about the what I
(43:11):
have to imagine our very start contrast in terms of
her relationship relationships. I can't speak for Judy, but like,
to me, it makes sense in a way that it's like,
it's these very disparate times in your life. Yeah, I'll
go out on a limb and say that, you know,
I have had at various points in my life times
(43:34):
where I have in various relationship dynamics. I have, you know,
been close to people that are dealing with active addiction.
And the way that you are moving through the world
and your everyday life is so different from how you
are moving when you are you know, interacting with people
(43:57):
that are living in you know, healthy way, and that
comes from not a place of you know, judgment, but
just these are the facts and you're just grappling with
something that is so big. Yeah, in those situations and.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's like shrouded in darkness, Like it feels like very symbolic.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Okay, I'm sorry, Taylor Swift. I'm so sorry, like not sorry.
Is this not the song Opal Light where this guy
was Onyx and then now it's Oval Light. I don't
know the exact lyrics, but yeah, I feel like Judy
(44:42):
is the Opal lighte Like she wanted she wanted to
be like the busy bee like during the daytime and
like had to make her own light.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
And I think that what makes a lot of us
have like a soulful vibe or gives us death as
people are the experiences that can be very dark and
for better or for worse, you know, those experiences I
(45:12):
think in a lot of cases allow us to have
empathy for other people.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah. Oh and I kind of like I sort of
like I think I said it once the Nightmare Factory.
It's at the organ School of the Death. But Judy
no sign language, which I don't know, like any sign language.
So I'm like trying to communicate with people and we're
not speaking the same language. And Judy was just like
(45:38):
right there to translate. Yeah, and so I was just like,
oh my gosh it and in just like to do
sign language, like I feel like you have to feel it,
like you have to be soulful, like you can't. Yeah,
you have to like feel the what you're saying, I
think for it to come across right. I could be
totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
But honestly, the physicality of a language, particularly ASL is
I mean, I can't necessarily speak from experience, but I
mean just tremendous because you are expressing everything through these
(46:18):
literally non verbal you know, hand signals and it's interesting
to see how expressive, you know, people are when they
are signing. And I find that, like, I feel like
there are so many things that we all say day
to day that we just sort of it's like these
(46:41):
throwaway phrases, and I feel like, and you know, maybe
once you have been signing for years and years, there's
a certain amount of you know, las a fair that
just sort of happens over time. But I just feel
like what I perceive from the outside just this very
expressive of language because it is by virtue nonverbal in
(47:05):
the sense that it's not you know, it's not auditory verbal.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, it's beautiful to watch too, I was, it really is.
I just like to watch it in awe and like
try to absorb as much as I can. I'm not
like great at it, but it is interesting too because
at the end she was signing with someone who was
in a bowl mask, and like you could even see
even though they're wearing a mask, like you can tell
like they're expressing.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
It's those expressions and things that like you pick up
on and even just.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
In hand movements.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But it really is, it's so many little things, and
I think people don't realize and one thing that I
feel like, particularly actually researching for our show, that I
have picked up on at a level that is like
so much more intense and in depth than you know,
(48:00):
what I innately feel like I understood prior at least
was it's wild how much your body gives away, like
even people that are stone cold killers, like the amount
of nonverbal cues that you give away, Like and you
(48:25):
don't have to be an you don't have to be
a serial killer or anything like this happens in everyday communication.
People can realize that, like, oh, I'm picking up on
this person's uncomfortable or you know, I mean, it could
just be a little white lie, but people pick up
a certain brain. Yes, it very much is. I find
(48:47):
it so fascinating. I find it so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Du do you have to listen?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
If any of that means anything too like, please immediately
damn me on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Lot to us, you have recording for almost two hours
to night and meant a.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
Lot to us and have day see you'll see you
next Tuesday. Look you sees and let me see this here.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I am going to h what was it? Horror cinema?
Drive in ye do hikey this weekend. I'm so excited.
There will be photos. Stay tuned, keep tuned, just keep tuned,
creep tuned.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Oh, I like that creep tune. So am I am
I reading some of these or no? Oh, I just
I never don't.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Need you for this. I just you just sit over
there and.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Sh okay. I just never know what we're doing, so
but I.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Never know what she's doing. The well, we don't have
any meat loaf today, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I would not do anything for love, and I won't
do that famous meat loaf lyrics.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, but I won't do that.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
What won't you do? I know what it is. It's
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