Ghosts of the Delaney House

We’re kicking off spooky season by visiting the haunted halls of the Delaney House in Salem, Oregon. In this episode, we meet Vikki, the current owner of this beautifully restored Airbnb, who shares its captivating history. Listen in as we delve into the lives (and deaths) of former residents, whose spirits are said to linger in the house.

We’re also joined by Zoey, a paranormal investigator & scare actor at Ghosts of the Grand, who shares her insights into the other side! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe mister Edwett into it.
Mister Edwards is here. I remember him. I could feel
his presence. He was a very strong presence in life
and he's a very strong presence after life. Boys wore
this beat up old hat and a beautu ol jacket
and many people have seen that spirit walk across the

(00:22):
porch or up the staircase in the other room, and
little kids who were sensitive to it too. We're like
man staring at me and it's like, oh, hey, you know,
and they say, what does he look like? It was
wearing this old hat and baggy jacket, and it's like
the same guy.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hi, Caitlin, Hi Cassie. Hi. Creepy people, helly if you're
new to a creepy corner of the world. This is
PNW Haunts and Homicides, where me and Caitlin usually chat
about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in
the Pacific Northwest. It's the p and W if you're nice,

(01:00):
and we do terror reading at the end of every
episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. We
don't have her cameras on for the intro, but don't
you worry because you will see us on location, on
on location, on on on scene, on the site the
scene of the crime scene of literally of the crime
actually literally. Yeah. So we are visiting our topic for

(01:24):
the day, and we took our cameras with us and
we did a couple of interviews and cut to so
we're here on location. Obviously, this isn't the Pods studio. No,
and we have kind of a secret guest with us
who prefers not to be on camera. Okay, they are here.

(01:49):
We're here with Vicki, who owns the Delaney House in Salem.
It's an airbnb. It's available for rent. Rent. Is that
what you call it? What is called yeah, I guess
temporiary rent. What is that called a hotel?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Literally, it's just called for rent hospitality.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But anyway, you can stay here if you want, if
you're brave enough. We do have some interesting history with
this house. Do you want to go ahead and start
by telling us a little bit about it, a little
bit about how you got the house.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, we were looking for a house up here in Salem,
and the house that we had found fell out of escrow,
so we.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Decided to come up here personally.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
We were in California and look for something, and this
house went on sale the day we came up. Oh
that was the last house that we looked at, and
I went, yes, let's do the paperwork now. It was
clearly meant to be fully restored house. They took some
ten years to restore this house. They moved it one
hundred yards from next door and brought it over here,

(02:50):
and it's it just had such a good feeling to it.
And I felt like I was going to be a
part of history. So yeah, so we we got it
that night the day it went on sale. Wow, after
ten years of being restored, so I felt like it
was meant to be.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
There was no like bidding war. You weren't fighting anybody
else for the house. No one else wanted it. They
took it. Oh wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was like just hours and we got the house.
So I think they were surprised somebody took it so quick,
but yeah, so I guess it was meant to be.
The person who built the house. Daniel Delaney, he was
one of the original Oregon Pioneers, came up the Oregon
Trail in eighteen forty three. He got a big land Grant,

(03:38):
and so that took him up here to Turner what
this was Turner back in the day, and he brought
his three sons and his wife, and he unfortunately brought
his slave with him too, But in Oregon you were
not a slave. But they didn't really want anybody of
color here either, so she was their housekeeper.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, that's come up on the podcast a couple of
times before, and I really.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Hate that part of the story, except that I want
to believe and that's the feeling that I get when
I throw this out here into the house and the
spirits that are here that Rachel name is Rachel Belden,
and she I just think that she just made the
best of a really weird, bad, uncomfortable situation. Women had
women out of color, and women had no rights back then,

(04:29):
and I think she took the situation and decided, I'm
going to make the best of this.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
She became the woman of the house.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Daniel Delaney's wife Elizabeth went I'm not I don't want
to deal with this, and so she moved away. She
moved into her son David's house, which was across the field,
and basically it was just Daniel and Rachel and eventually
their two sons, Oh lived here, okay, and then she
no longer wanted to live here at some point and

(04:59):
moved out and took her sons with her.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And that kind of brings.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
It to the The bad reason that we're kind of
here is he got shot with a shotgun. They broke
into the house, They broke all the doors, they went
up in the attic, and they did find approximately fifteen
hundred dollars worth of gold which they took with them,
and most of it they got back afterwards. The family
did get the money back. That's the history of the house.

(05:23):
And then it belonged to a couple of different families
and then the Edwards family were the last ones that
owned it. So if you look it up on the
historical registry, it is the delaneyard.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I was wondering where the Edwards came in. They old the.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
House for a very long time as and what I
give them credit for is there's a picture over there
Ethel and Lawrence. Lawrence belonged to the He was a
farmer here and he decided that he wanted to build
a big house. Well, here, you're not supposed to have
two full size houses on the same property. Oh yeah,

(05:57):
So he belonged to the volunteer fire department and and
he decided he was just going to have the house
burned down and then he'd build a new house. Ethel
found out about that and said, no, this house is
too important historically.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
All the paperwork and it's a book, this big of
stuff that she had to do to get it on
the historical registry.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh yeah, it's not easy. So Ethel saved the house.
So this house was going to be burnt down. Yes, wow,
it's here now. So you said it moved from its
original location. Was it still on the same property. Yeah,
the it was right behind us one hundred yards over.
There's a white house over there, and the barn that's

(06:42):
over there actually was built by Daniel Delaney. They did
not move the barn, oh, which I wish they had.
I'd love to go over there. And you don't own that.
Oh okay, separate properties now. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
So so the barn is still there and it sat
out on basically out on the road right out here
on Delaney Road.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So the road Delaney Road, so cute, it's themed. Yeah,
so we want to point out really quick there is uh,
what's this again. Yeah, emas reader on the table, just chilling,
just in case anyone wants to come and say hi.
You're more than welcome to come and say hi. We
were recording a podcast. Don't be scared by all the

(07:21):
lights and equipment were very nice. Uh so you can
come hang out. There is a lovely offering of Jack Daniels.
Who is this for Zoe? This was for mister Daniel
Delaney Daniels, got it? Okay. So we have some flashlights,
some mag lights set up you know how they ghost
hunters do it. And uh, oh is that it going

(07:42):
off right now? Oh? So it's been going off fin.
So we have a couple of fun things. We have
a wow pendulum thank you pendulum here, So if you
see it crazy swinging. I mean, we could bump the
table if they're interested in letting us know they're here.
If you want to let many choice, there's.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
The flashlight, there's the MF meter, and there's a pendulum there.
If they're interested, all they have to do is touch them.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
You're more than welcome. Don't be shy. If you don't
want to teach you, that's fine, totally fine. Okay, So
speaking of ghosts is there ghosts here because we're kind
of hinting around this topic. Okay, but you've had some
experiences here. I have had some experiences.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I think the most fun one that we have is
that our dog that we had when we moved here, Max,
he passed away.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
A few years back, and.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right afterwards we started feeling things and hearing things because
Max himself saw spirits. He would he'd be walking through
a room and he would stop and he would look,
and he'd lag his tail and he'd go walk over
and he'd lean on the.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Air and just was the cutest little thing and he'd
lean on the air and he supposed to be like
he's getting scratched, and he'd you know, just that that
way that dogs are when you're petting them.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
And then and then he'd stop and he'd look over.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then it's like he'd follow them with his eyes
and be wagging his tail and they'd be gone. Oh
so I think he had a friend here, and I
just think he stayed. I don't know if it's because
of us, or if he just maybe he's here with
his friend. Yeah, we don't know, but he did that
all the time. He was constantly seeing someone. You know,

(09:37):
so who's seeing another person now.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
He's on the same side as them.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
But now he is, but people feel him, you know,
like he'd put his head on your lap, or he
had really long fingernails or toenails that we could never
figure out, and he'd shake his ears and you hear
his little flap sound, so you know it's it was

(10:02):
very specific to him, and he and our other dog, Oliver,
are the only ones that have ever been here. And
Oliver doesn't do any of the same things, no, very
specifically all our Max behaviors.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Interesting, but so I love hearing stories about like little
spirit animals, ghosty dogs. Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Edwards is here. I've had a lot of people just
stop by. When I first moved here, we would go
to the go to the front door, and somebody'd be like.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Hi, I used to live in this house. Can I
come in?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And You're like, yes, you know, and they'd want to
see and then they'd have stories to tell me You're
very brave, and yes.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Is the response.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Okay, all right, but I've learned a lot and I've
had quite a few people say, oh, yeah, mister Edwards,
I remember him.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I could feel his presence.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
He was a very strong presence in life, and he's
very strong presence after life. Boys wore this beat up
old hat and a beat up old jacket, and many
people have seen that spirit walk across the porch or
up the staircase in the other room.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And little kids who are sensitive to it too.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
We're like, there's a man staring at me and it's
like you know, and they say, what does he look like?
It was wearing this old hat and baggy jacket. It's
like the same guy. And we thought it was Daniel Delaney,
but I've had quite a few people kind of confirmed
that it seems to be Lawrence Edwards.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh that is very good to know, like having a
little bit of a distinction between all the ghosts.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, it's hard to tell, you know. I've heard voices
say hello to me. I've heard a man's voice say
my name in my ear.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, when we do.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Paranormal investigations, the same group comes a lot, and they
have they come kind of connected. The one woman does
automatic writing and sometimes she'll she stays connected when she's
not even here, and she'll sit down beforehand and say,
you know, is there anything you want me to talk
about or is there anything you want us to do?
Anybody you want here? And she'll just sit at home

(12:10):
and write in her notebook wow, and then read it
later and then you know, try to remember to bring
it back. And they're very interesting. They're are spirited conversations
at the end of the group.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So, oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
When they are here, they're like an antenna. Stuff just happens,
you know, when they're in the room.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I feel like if they're here a lot, and
they're not disrespectful and making you know, making things angry,
not provoking, if they're nice, like I feel like that
would make the ghosts want to talk to them more.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, and they respect them and they ask them questions,
you know, what can we do for you? And Daniel
Delaney's only had one big request that he wants a
photograph of himself in this house.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh, I can't find one.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I said, well then, Daniel, if you want a photograph,
please tell them where I can find one, be happy
to go get one. I've had a lot of different
people searching the inner net and searching all of the records,
and there's just no photos of him.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
No, not even after a big trial.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
You would have thought that somebody would have put his
photograph with the murderers or whatever, huh in the newspaper
because it was in the newspapers.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I just had a thought of, like, if you can't
find one, you should get one of those like criminal
people to like sketch him, like someone, is there a
description of what he looks like? For a psychic? Would
like me to show you that that we did? You
did that?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You what?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Maggie and Cherry that that come here. They also help
solve close cases and cold cases. And they work with
a gentleman who is a sketch artist, and they sat
and they worked on trying to get a good visual
of what they looked like in their heads and then
describe it to them.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's really cool. So I said, well, why do they
show themselves as young?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
And what Maggie said was that most of the time,
most spirits will show you themselves as how they felt
the best in their lives.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That is so cool.
I can't believe I said that. And then you just
happen to have a picture of it. That's as close
as they could.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Come to what the that's Rachel and Elizabeth. His wife
was not very happy when we brought that into the house. Wow,
we had she had words. She left, but she had
some words to say to one of our ladies. I guess, so,
oh wow, it's not happy about that at all. So
we do a tea party when we do our spirit

(14:35):
galleries here. We have everybody sit around and then we
do a seance. But I serve everybody teach.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Oh that's so fun.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And a few years ago, Maggie was at a good
will or some kind of a thrist store and she
hears voices.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
So she was walking along looking at some of the
dishes and this lady goes, yeah, those are my dishes.
And she's like, okay, yeah, yeah, those right there.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
She goes, now you need to get those those glasses,
and she goes, now do you I don't understand why
are the glasses not on the same place as the dishes.
You know, So you have to go to the other
aisle and you can get the plates. So you need
to go over, So take off take the cups.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Now you need to go.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
And this lady's just telling her what to do, and
so she's like, okay, okay. So she goes over the
next aisle, and sure enough she found the matching plates,
and not a lot. It was just like two cups
and a couple of plates, like four plates, and that's it.
And the lady's like, all right, well, okay, you take
good care.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Of those, all right.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
She's like okay, and she goes to take them out,
and her husband's like, why do you have that mismatched
a bunch of dishes?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
She will tell you later. I was told too, and
I'm just going to listen to her. So she took
them home, put them in a box, and they just
sat at her house for a long time. And so
when we.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Decided to do this, she goes, I think I need
to bring you some dishes. So she brought them over
and she talked to the lady while she was here,
and the lady is with them, and she said, I
just wanted you to know that I've brought them here.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
We're going to be using them.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You know, it's in a family home, and I thought
you'd like that, and she said. The lady said that
was good. So I had a shelf in there in
my china cabinet and I put them in there. And
when we when we were sitting here talking. We heard
around in there, so I think she was getting settled
and maybe looking around.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
So if Maggie always gets this cup and the saucer,
oh that is so cool. Can I I allow to
hold it? Of course? So this is one of the
haunted dishes.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yes, and I don't know. I don't know whose it is.
I mean, I don't know the ladies names. I don't
know that she ever got her name.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So it was like a spirit telling her to collect
her dishes and like take care of them, like save
them from the antique store. She didn't like them being
antiques store. That makes sense, I you know.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And they weren't together. She just didn't like they weren't together.
Lights and the saucers just weren't together.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, it doesn't make any sense. I'll be upsetting. Let
me hand, Caitlynn, object, did you paint drawing with that haunted?
That good? No, I know, I'm just afraid of my drop.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
We do smell cigar smoke a lot, and we don't smoke,
so that usually tells us that Daniel Delaney is around.
That is something that a lot of people that come
will bring a cigar and the whiskey, like oh, sure,
we did. And even if we don't get a lot
of response from it, it's a very positive feeling, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
It's like he's happy. Yeah, he's happy. So I did
have one question before we keep moving on. So just
to like set the record straight you because you've had
a couple it sounds like spooky experiences, but you don't
have a bad feeling here. We kind of talked about
it earlier. Tell us about the vibe here.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I have never honestly had any negative feelings here, And
with all of the different seances and spirit galleries and
paranormal investigations, with the exception of one person hearing that
the ghosts didn't want them to go in our attic,
never really had anything negative or why. And I don't
know why. The most people don't try to go on

(18:02):
the attic. I would try to go in the attic. Yeah,
And I've had people go up there in place like
small items that maybe would you know, roll or you know,
like a toy car or marble or something, just to
see if they can get some movement, and nothing's really happened.
And one group apparently you know, had somebody you know,
say no, they ask if they could go in the attics.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh, they just didn't so respect. Okay, I'm glad that
they didn't try to go. I have always felt welcomed.
Right when I first moved here.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
A woman would I quite often right here in the morning,
go good morning.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh, so I always felt pretty welcomed.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think that's probably because you like came in and
you just had a good vibe about this place and
wanted to save it and treat it. Treated it well.
Tat trot it well, That's what I was trying to say,
trot it well, treated it well. I don't know, I
can't speak.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
We do have Daniel Delaney's chair that he built in
eighteen forty three, and it's upstairs. It tends to rock
by itself from time to time. We got it from
a member of the Edwards family who the chair had
been donated to the Salem Old Folks Home, and then
when that place closed down, they gave it back to

(19:18):
the Delaney House, which was then owned by the Edwards family.
So it was here in the house for a really
long time. And when they sold the house, it went
to different family members, and different family members just had
it in their house and they kept a little plaque
that that was you know, that was on it that
said that it was built from a piece of wood
from this farm by Daniel Delaney and hesitate and everything.

(19:39):
But the first time I put it up there, we
had guests walk up there and it was just rocking
and the lady's like, oh, I think maybe my husband's
here you or.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Whatever, and so she was laughing about it. You know.
So I want to go upstairs and witness at rocking.
I don't know whether it's upstairs.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
We have a a hat that tends to fall off
the hook that's up there. That happens a lot. Only
once did anybody ever see it happen up there? And
it's on the floor and then I hang it back
up and then it's on the floor.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Is that like an antiquet or is it? It's not
an antique hat? And maybe that's why it just doesn't fit.
I really do want.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
But there was a group up there one time that
completely freaked out because they were they were like, oh
I heard this hat sometimes and hit the ground and
they went, oh no, and they ran down the stairs.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh my god, I'm swear they never did that. But
I choose them all the time when I see them,
I know what you did. So only one time has
it been seen.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
But there's the SLS cameras catch people dancing upstairs in
the in the.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Bathtub, in the bathtub. I thought that was so interesting,
Like was that always bathroom? I assume I assume it
was like moving around bathrooms in old house.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, probably, no, I think it probably was. But again,
when they built this in eighteen forty five or yeah,
eighteen forty five, there was no indoor plumbing.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Oh so I don't know that makes sense that maybe
that was something else. Yeah, the dancing room not very big.
I don't know, but anyway, that happens. And if you play.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Music and set one of the SLS cameras up, if
you play any kind of music, they will tend they
will tend to you know, figures will appear.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Any kind of music, any kind of so like you know,
like boots with the fur well to the window, to the.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Wall, we can we can put my uh my phonograph
in there one of those, play a little song. We're
hoping that new acquisition of mine with the record player
will Yeah, we'll make them happy.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You put it on earlier, and it sounds beautiful. Did
you hear the old I think so.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
The phonograph is not other called phonographs.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
A lot of people have seen a black woman and
a little boy with a stuffed bunny, which is oddly specific,
but different people that didn't know anybody else had seen
that because it's not like written down anywhere, right from
that back bedroom and into here, and then just from
that back bedroom and into here, So residual energy, that's

(22:20):
what I've been told that is, and it's pretty much
the same for everybody. It's just the same thing, like
a really busy black woman with a little boy behind
her holding his stuff bunny.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like trying to get her attention.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Oh so she's busy, he's trying to get her to
and it's just back and forth, which makes me think
that that was their bedroom, Yeah, Rachel and her children,
that was her bedroom back there.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, because you said that back bedroom, a lot of
childlike things happen in there, and you kind of filled
it with toys and stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, and we have we have children in here. We
have spirits that are children. I've seen on the Sols camera.
People reach out and play, patty Cake can do things.
But it's all really it feels you know, it feels good.
You know, nobody's ever been scared by it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, and you said that no children have died here,
and you don't think that they're actually just like spirits
of children who've dined here, but maybe spirits of children
who have come back here to play. It was like
good memories for them. Possibly. Yeah, there's no way to
really know that part. That's what we're all trying to
figure out, right.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I know exactly, but we know that there are children here,
which is kind of nice to know.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
So if you feel somebody chug on your leg or something,
they just want to get your attention so you can
play with them.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah. And I think though, we brought some candy too
for like the children, so we have a couple offerings.
Oh the doors locked from the inside.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I have a little room in there that the
door locked from the inside, and my husband had to
break the lock to get us in there.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
We had no way of being able.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
To get into that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
It wasn't it wasn't a key lock. It was the
lock that you turn from the inside. Oh, yeah, the
door was locked.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Like, how do that's so bizarre? We called exactly the
question you can't do it. There's no way to do that.
Those stories always stump me because we've come across it
a few times where it's like the door was locked
from the inside and like remember that one where the
safe was like moved. We're like, how did the safe
move from the inside room. It's very it's weird. Stuff

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like that is so strange to me. I mean a
lot of the stuff that he hears the same kind
of stuff that happens, you know, everywhere, you know, you
get a bump or a scratchy noise or you know.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
We did have one group come here and someone demanded
that we get an orange cat. That they want an
orange cat very badly, and that's on video with their
orange cat.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
They're very and they're like long hair orange.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I would be happy, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And so we think it was a child.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
They got the name Edwards out of it, so it
seems like it's maybe a child from the Edwards family,
or maybe it's an adult because a cat I have
not gotten, but I promise if they're.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Working on my doorstep, the cat distribution system, we're waiting
on it. That's right, yeah, dragons some cat. We can't
go buy a cat. We have to wait for it
to show up. That's how cat things work, right. There's
a couple pieces of the house that are original, like
the wall, the wood piece in the bedroom with the

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writing all over it, and then the carving and the window.
Can you tell us about those couple of things. I
don't know much about the one in the bedroom except
that I know it's from probably children, because it's adding
and subtracting and signatures, and you've kind of preserved Did
you put the plexiglass over it? I did not sell.

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The people who restored the house they preserved that and
kind of like painted around it. And there's another one
in the other room.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You can look at you and it's just names, like
names of people and their dates and stuff, not like
measuring heights or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, it seemed kind of random. Not really sure it does.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah. And then David Delaney apparently when they first moved here,
he scratched his name into the window, which I'm quite
sure he got in trouble for because windows would have
been very very secious.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I can't believe it's still it's still here.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I got a really good picture of it cameroud of
the people who did the restoration to make sure they
saved as many original things as they could.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They did a good job because this house was very
seventies looking.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It had drywall and wallpaper and wood sighting on top
of everything, and so they took it down to the original.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Okay of the house and put it back together.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
So they moved a few things around, but for the
most part, it does look a lot more like the
original house than it would have with all of that
weird orange sixty seventies right.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I was just going to say, shag and where is
there beautiful in the the wall, the pattern on the walls,
the accident. I don't know what it's called. It's the beams,
the walls, the original walls.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
They replaced what they had to, but they left as
much original stuff as they could, and what they didn't
use is all in our garage, so we still have.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Oh wow, that's nice pieces of history. Is this fireplace original?
The fireplace is the mantle? Is not?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Even a rich person that owned a farmhouse would never
have have anything.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I just was looking at that. I was like, oh,
that's like marble. But the but the brick part is
the brick part is I'm thinking this was probably the
kitchen and they come on that.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I remember what year it was, Yeah, some years ago, Okay,
so that was probably that's why the hook is.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
There's the right. I was going to say pots aren't real.
I mean those they're not old. But yeah, right, but
you's the idea. Yeah, and then this is part of
the original house, he said, there were what are the additions.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
The addition would be that kitchen and the it's called
the utility room that's in the back. And then they
attached it to the carriage house, which is original and
was separate.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
At the Oh okay, pull.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
The horses in on the carriages, right, They would keep
the horses in there. After Daniel Delaney was was killed,
then his son built that second half, So in eighteen
sixty five that was built.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, is there anything else you want to add? Any
pieces of history that you think are cool or details
about the house that are your personal favorite. The living
room that's where I go in the morning and I
have coffee in it. It feels nice. Yeah, it's a
very welcoming, comforting kind of a place.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So yeah, that are out on the porch, something about
a wrap around port, Yeah, porch.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
It's yeah, it's hard to be that classic dreams. We
love it. Well, thank you so much for giving us
all this info, letting us come and hang out in
the Delaney House and talk about ghosts. And because some
people don't like it when the when the ghosts are
part of their you know, home or hotel or history
of an area, but you definitely embrace it.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah. I think a lot of people believe everything they
see in horror movies and they think that anything that
they don't understand or can't see is going to be
scary or dangerous.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And I don't think that that's the case at all. See,
it's not scary, not in my uh not in my experience.
So you can still come and stay here even if
you don't want to meet ghosts or anything, and it
still has good vibes. Yeah, very nice. And oh, just
one more thing. I love you decorated the crap out

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of this place. It is so cool. You have little
details of antiques and like little creepy things all over
the place, and it's so cool. I think it's worth
it just to stay here, to just come and look
at all of the little details that you've put out.
It's a lot of people say they wish they had
another day just to look at it. Yes, yeah, there's
so much. I don't know how we're ever going to
get footage of it all, but we're going to try.

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So we're still at the Delaney House with Zoe, who
is a paranormal investigator.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, it's weird having that be my job title. Now.
I'm so used to just scare actor. Add on paranormal
investigator right underneath that.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I love that. That's been my dream forever. And now
I'm going around telling people like, I'm going to be
a ghost hunter because now I know ghost hunter friends.
So that's basically going to be my full time job. Absolutely. Okay,
this is the question I always ask. So I feel
like ghost hunter has a little bit of a negative connotation.
Do you prefer paranormal investigator? Do you still say ghost hunter?

Speaker 5 (30:53):
You know, I'm used most interchangeably. I understand. You know,
it's like hunting ghosts. You know, when people think of that,
they think of ghost busters, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Or Zach Begins or oh my god, ghost provoker, demon provoker,
demon provoker.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
All love and respect, but it is like you do
you bro, But it's some of the most fake things
that I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I know, I have like a love hate well I
like love hate watch it. It's like it's kind of
funny entertainment for you, But I still do, you know,
watch it because they made a show at that at
a time where like not a bunch of people, you know,
have paranormal shows.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
So yeah, it kind of made people aware that this
was a thing that people did, yea, instead of just
like filming themselves in abandoned buildings for fun.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah, so all the respect there, but or the reactions
are very exaggerated.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, and that's not the that's not the kind of
stuff you're doing on a regular basis, Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
But yeah, when I take people on tours, I warned
them sometimes like ghost hunting is not like you see
on TV. It is mostly born with little moments of fun.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, they can't show all the sitting around, yeah, unanswered
questions on TV.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
All of the just sitting around and quiet talking to
yourself is edited out, and it's edited out for a reason.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
So where do you take people on tours at?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
So I pretty exclusively work at the Grand Theater in
downtown Salem, Oregon. It is a one and twenty five
year old building that was originally built by the Oddfellows.
It was an Odd Fellow lounge.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, So if anyone out there knows the Odd Fellows,
you you kind of understand what I'm putting down there.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't. Oh, I don't know. But I feel like
we might like talk more about this place, about the
history about it in its own episode. So we might
have to like, yeah, you don't have to explain it
all to me now, but give me like a one
word vibe for the Odd Fellows secret cult. Oh that's
two words, so you have to pick Okay, I immediately

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broke the rules. No, I get it though. That does
make sense. Yeah, it's secretive, okay, Okay, so you give
you offer tours there, these ghost tours.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yeah. So I work with the Salem Hount Club and
we do events, a lot of events at the Grand Theater,
but occasionally we do ghost investigation tours in the basement,
which is usually completely awfulmost to the public, it's except
for staff that work there. It's mostly a storage area,

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but it is also connected to the tunnels that are
in downtown Salem.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Tunnel.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah. So, if anyone's familiar with like the the Shanghai
tunnels in Portland.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
They might have heard of those. We have talked about
those before. Oh well, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
We also have them here in Salem too. Yeah, they
were They were used by Chinese immigrants that helped to
build this town in the railroad. Basically where was their
safe haven? Oh okay, Unfortunately Salem has a very racist history.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, yeah, so does Porland.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah, as most of Oregon.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes, people don't most of the United States. Where do
we really?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah? Yeah, you know the tracks for for where we live. Yeah,
but Oregon does that they don't like to talk about.
But especially when it comes to the Asian immigrants. I
feel like it's not spoken about a whole lot unfortunately.
So those tunnels were basically their safe haven. It was
how they would be able to go from building the

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building safely and not get shot.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Why.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, So at Ghosts of the Grand there is also
going to be a haunted house there this Halloween season.
There is, and not just like a haunted house like
we're setting in right now, like a scare. What do
you call it a scare?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Aunt, I use a haunt, but scar scare. I love that.
I'm gonna start saying that now. Actually scare but you
called yourself a scare actor, so it kind of makes
sense in my head.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah. We Yeah, people that work at haunts are scare actors.
You know, we spend our time, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
We scare people. But yeah, so you're sick in the head,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
You know, it's a really really great way to get
out like any pent up emotion.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It is. I agree, it is. You could just scream
as loud as you want and no one even cares.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
I'm kind of exposing any other scared actors right now
by saying that. We absolutely use it to get some
pent out emotion.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I feel like every I feel like you can tell yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Probably, it's like you can't scream that loudly and not
have something else like going on.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, yep, exactly.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
This is our second year ever putting this on. We
are so excited to be back. We're back and better
than ever. We are continuing our storyline from last year.
So if anyone was with us last year, it is different.
We're not just your normal like Halloween haunts.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Just like jump scare type.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, we are not just full jump scares. We are
a half haunt, half theater experience, so like you hear
like people have been doing like interactive theater more and more.
Now we're we're kind of like that in a way.
Not completely fully interactive obviously, but you basically get to

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be part of a show that's amazing with like fifteen
other people.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I love that. I love that. It's not just even
like watching movies. I saw the new Conjuring movie, and
if you don't want to hear anything about it, you
can just skip ahead a little bit. I won't I
really won't spoil it, but if you don't want to
know anything, just but it was like full of jump
scares and I was like, you, guys, I've seen you
do better than this, Like I know you can do it,

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and there's genuinely creepy things in it, but it was
like jump scare after jump scar. I was like, okay,
Like why are we going back to this? I'm not
a fan, Like I need real scar. I like want
psychological horror in my head while I'm going through a
hanted house.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
I miss psychological horror.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm so excited to experience this. I don't want to
give too much away, do you? Are you allowed to
say the theme of the of the haunt.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Yeah. So, uh, this year we are doing ghost hunting
tours were we're continuing on the fact that we have
been bringing people into the basement ghost hunting. Our Haunts
year is full on ghost hunting.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Ghost hunting tour. That is so cool.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
We yeah, so because last year we learned that there
is this group called ghost and we would be we
would bring people in and try and unleash the spirit
of the theater and feed feed people's souls to it.
And not not a real cult, but we were a cult.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
It kind of sounds like.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
And so after last year's so much media tension has happened,
they have been driven underground and are hiding away. So
part of what we're looking for is, hey, are they
still there?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Maybe maybe not?

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Well, you gotta join us to figure out.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
You gotta go find you gotta go this hunting to
find out.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Yep, gott to join us in ghost hunting to figure
out if they're still down there.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
We open on October seventeenth, and we will be running
for seven specific days. Our last day will be November first, though,
so we we are going a little bit past holloween.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
And then you can find tickets on ghost Dothegrand dot com. Yep,
have a haunting experience that was so cheesy, just kidding.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
If you join, you just might as well see me
there because I will be one of your many wonderful
guides that will be bringing people through.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
So are the guides? Do the guides scare people? Or
you probably can't say? Who knows anything? That? Where is
there to make sure that people are safe? Yes? Could
you tell the one thing about the thing grabbing your wrist?

Speaker 5 (39:34):
While aile were interviewing, I was, I was over in
a separate room that is known to have the children's
spirits in it, and I I have a necklace that
it's not a true pendulum, but I use it as
a pendulum.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's it's perfect shape. It's a proper shame for it
a little birds yeah, if you can't see it, it's
like a bird skull. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
And so I was having just a little little chat
with a child spirit in there, and you guys were
doing some like other filming around the house. Because this
house is incredible, so cool, it's so cool. There's so
many cool things in here. And I was about to
go up the stairs and and behold just before I

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started to my wrist was grabbed and I was like, oh, okay, hi,
because it was like.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I feel like risk, like that's where you if you
were a kid, you would just like grab yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Come back and play with me, especially hearing, you know,
like the children like to like try and get people's
attentions by grabbing them. Yeah. It's really cool being able
to be like, oh, someone someone reached out.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, reached out to touch you, like it wanted
to hang out with you more. I think it's sweet.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
I love interacting with child spirits. They're always they're always
so sweet, think a lonely they do. Yeah. Yeah, I
need to remember to bring crayons to the brand because
there's a child down there but that very specifically wants crayons.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Okay, bring them what they ask for.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
And I do like to do that too. One of
my favorite things about general investigating and bringing people down
into the basement is getting to share the stories that
I know of, but then also giving them an outlet
to speak for themselves as well.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah. Yeah, that.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
It brings me so much joy doing that because people
think that when you're gone, you know you're gone for good.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Did you get touched again? Was it the fly?

Speaker 5 (41:50):
No, it was like a little press on my arm.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Interesting, Yeah, no, I mean that couldn't have been your
hair because your hair is like really light.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
It almost felt like it. For a moment, I was like, wait.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
No, it's staying hot. It's confirmed me.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
No.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, and that made me lose my trains.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Thought I forgot, I know, I forgot what you were saying. Oh,
it's a way for them to communicate.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
People think that when you were gone, you were gone
for good. And we keep finding you know, proof. If
you believe that or not is up to you, but
we keep finding proof. But that's not necessarily the case.
And even if it's just being able to tell someone's story,
even just a little bit, yeah, after they're gone, you know,

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it's really meaningful to me.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I feel like that should be more comforting to people
than scary.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, people, people.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Get so scary about the idea of panormal investigating and
it's really not.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
They're just us, so you just can't see them.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
One more thing too. Okay, So we were talking about
the hat and yeah, and Vickie was telling us that
sometimes the hat comes off hook and it's just a hat.
Hanging on a hook and you literally would have to
take it off the hook. And what happened when you
went upstairs, it was on the floor.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
It was literally just it was just there. It was
like wedged kind of because there's like a little like
door there. Yeah, and it was like it almost looked
like it had been like purposely put like like someone
was trying to like get it under the door.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Oh my gosh, like hide it in the closet, get
rid of this thing. Man.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Like it actually could have just fallen that way, but
it almost looked to me like someone was trying to
shove it under there to hide it.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
It was but we have like pictures of the hook
and stuff, and it's like a hook, like, yeah, you
have to take it off the hook. Yeah, it's it's
so that's crazy. And no one had been up there,
Like Vicky cleaned up there after a guests and she
said she hung the hat up or it was up
and then, yeah, no one had been.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Up there, And it was my first time going up there.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
We had just been talking about that hat. She was
just telling us about the hat, and then you came down.
You're like, you never believe.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
That the hat's on the floor.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
We're doing taro for the Delaney House. You may notice
that we are back in the office for the taro reading.
We were having too much fun at the Delaney House
and we ran out of time. I don't know that
I would say we.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
That was arguably one of the worst days of my life.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I know, two date. I know I was trying not
to say anything. I didn't know how much you wanted
to say.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
But I feel like we talked about it afterwards and
you were like, I really don't know, Like do you
think that it was the house?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And I was like, I don't know either. I know
because you had a really bad migraine. I did.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, and for the first time ever I experienced having
a migraine. And what I assume if it wasn't the house,
was a migraine and verdigo combined episode. So I was
on a boat for like thirty six ish hours, which

(45:25):
is very strange. I actually normally like being on a boat.
I don't typically get seasick. But when you're not on
a boat and you feel like it feels like you're
on a boat, turns out that will.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Make you sick.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, So anyway, Yeah, just some of the fun that
we can have. No Caitlin. God, she was a freaking trooper.
I felt so bad. We did our interviews and we
did as much as we could, but we're like, we
got to get her out of here because she is
not I was falling two pieces. I feel bad. I
even made you stay as long as well. I mean, gosh,

(46:01):
from there, we needed to do our thing. What can
you do? But so we decided not to do the
chair over there. But we I'm sure we'll be back
there another time because we're besties now with Vickie, so
you know we'll be back. This isn't the last of
the de Lady House. I'm looking at the camera, but oh,
our cameras aren't on either, because we didn't feel like

(46:22):
getting ready today. It's a Sunday. Sunday. Yeah, but we
have the taro altar so you guys can see our
little fingis and the cards. Love you guys. Okay, I'm
going to hand the oh.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I was like, for some reason, I felt like you
were going to do the drawing. I don't drawing. I
don't know if I would trust my intuition in this
reading because you weren't even I mean you were there
for one of the interviews, but I don't particularly know
how there you were. You can maybe see it in
her eyes.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I wasn't really there for most of the day. Like
I said, I was on a boat. So motherfucker, motherfucker. Okay,
let's do the cart poll.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was. Oh, is pirdy the
page of Swords? So I don't know. The screen was
a little dark, but I think looking at it now
you can you can see kind of where I pulled
out the card. I was talking about it as I

(47:21):
was up there, not in front of a mic. So yeah,
but we pulled the page of swords. Yes, it was
the page right, Yeah, it's so cool because it has
it's this burd and I guess we're going to find
out what the bird is because we're going to read
the interpretation book. So it's like a brown body, like
brown and tan body with a yellow head. And like,
I don't know what this bird is. I don't either.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I mean, I don't think i've seen one before. It's
very beautiful. It instantly, for whatever reason, reminded me of
when we were seeing the the drawing of their heads,
like the portrait drawings. Yeah, Daniel Delaney. He wanted a
picture of himself in the house, but they couldn't find one,
so they had drawings done of their head, him and Rachel.

(48:09):
Rachel's head. So I don't know why that, because like
the head is highlighted here, so yeah, maybe think of that.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
It was really interesting. I would not have made that connection. Wow,
I make really odd connections.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
That is what I'm here.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
And I'm really glad we had Chris with us because
I was so out.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Of it and your head.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, oh god, that Yeah, that's such a good point.
I was just thinking about it, like, oh gosh, like
thank god he was there because he was able to
go and do like walking around like video footage of
like the house inside and outside. And then I think
he got pictures of the portrait because I think I
definitely did.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, I remember being like you guys, I know enough
to know that I'm out of it, and I'm like,
I'll probably take some shaky, blurry photo because I'm on
a boat. But I was like, get a picture. We
got we got it, we got you. I felt so
bad because I just felt like so like useless. I
was like I'm physically here.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Okay, but we all I mean, god, I know it's
definitely feeling for you because, like I said very recently,
I was also in tears from a migraine. Oh, Like
I was like, I feel so harssed. I was like
crying when I loved loving my my roots heads. I
can't do anything, I know.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And you know the worst part when we were unpacking
the car and stuff and I was trying to bring
down like the bins and stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
We told her not to carry anything in this bit.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I know, well, every step I was taking, I was
feeling like I was like you know when you wake
up in a dream and like you feel like you're
falling in the dream. That's how like every step felt
going down the stairs.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
We should talk about those head crystals sometimes, honestly, sometimes
like yeah, because that's crazy and interesting, but maybe another episode.
I know, I don't know how you confirm sure that,
like that's it.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I haven't had it, you know, professionally clinically evaluated.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But what the fuck? What our head crystal?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I don't want to Yeah, it's it's actually it's inner ear.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
It's head crystal.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Really something, you guys, I'm obsessed with rocks.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
We have crystals in our ears, right mineor loose?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Oh my god, you know like people say box of rocks,
like about like people that are you know, true dumb
dumbs or wow, that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So anyway, that is very interesting that like that head also,
and there's like there's a sword on the card and
it's like pointed at the bird's head, kind of like
towards the bird's head.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Oh my gosh. All right, so page of swords. Our
keywords are steady, vigilance, apprehension. I almost said oppression, and
I don't know why. Yeah, it sure does. Inexperienced curiosity,
and a message.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I already was kind of super super quickly skimming the
interpretation sections of this, and I was like, all right,
knowing what I do know about some of like the
backstory that I'm going to tell you about the house and.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
The murder, because I don't know if I said this already.
I'm pretty sure I did. But this ain't the end
of the delaneouse. Yeah, it's it's definitely not. You will
be back pages represent study and apprenticeship, and this card
says learn to express yourself so you can communicate with
sword like precision. It might mean you're exploring new ideas

(51:39):
or embarking on a spiritual quest. If the page of
swords symbolizes an actual person, it's probably a clever and
curious youth who hasn't yet mastered the power of his
or her intellect. Ooh, we did talk about like a
child ghost? Yeah, yep, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Definitely multiple children that are kind of associated with the house. Okay,
there's another that's associated that. I don't know that they
talked about this person specifically related to like hauntings, like
ghosts of the house.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But it wouldn't surprise me just knowing what I know
about the murd Oh my god, I can't. I don't
want to know about a murder, but yeah, I want
to know what happened. You need to know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
The Aquarian tarot, for example, shows a boy with his
sword at his side. He hasn't yet gained the confidence
to wield it.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Okay, so yeah, I just cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I hope that I will kind of remember this moment
when we talk about my okay, my part. When the
page appears upright, it may show you're thinking of branching
out testing yourself embracing a challenge, perhaps you're entering college,
beginning a career, or starting off on a spiritual quest.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Some of this kind of reminded me of us just
kind of going in and it was kind of our
first time bringing all the cameras and equipment with us. Yeah,
we've brought like, you know, the mics and things around,
but this was a full pack up the pod, lap trips, yeah, cameras, lights,
and we did like a really good job setting up

(53:24):
and all like working together and making it happen.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I know, I have felt like, oh my gosh, we
almost need like another person because there's just so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So we brought with us. What did it say, Like
it's like you're going to college or something. Yeah, you're like, yeah,
that's kind of what it felt like. We're like kind
of upgrading our and Oh that's what it reminded me of.
We were talking about like I was kind of thankful
for all the crap we had to go through setting
up the studio, oh, like all the camera issues and
lighting issues and everything, because then we just know like

(53:55):
what can go wrong and how to fix it.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, it's so true.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
No, you were you were talking about and you were like,
this kind of feels old hat after every oh my gosh,
old hat and the.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Hat that kept falling down. Yes, yeah, I know another head.
It's all about the head.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Naturally, you're anxious because you don't feel prepared. You may
not have used your sword on the battlefield, but you've
trained and developed the skills you need to succeed.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And I was saying, too, didn't I didn't write an
episode for this, like, yeah, I went in. I didn't really,
which is not usually what I do for an interview.
Usually I prepare questions and like research people. But for
some reason, I was just feeling like I didn't want
to research too much and I just wanted to go
in and like naturally ask my questions. And that's what happened.
And I think it turned out like I just have

(54:45):
faith that we could just go in and record an
episode with people and it'll work out well.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And I think part of it too, is like when
we know that we're going to be kind of covering
like a place from sort of two ang goals from
you know, the paranormal and the true crime, it's like
you kind of want to go in a little bit
more clean slate because you what like from your genre.

(55:12):
It's more like we want to pick up like the
vibe and we want you know what I mean, whereas
like mine like in some.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Respects, it's like I can't really pick up a murder vibe.
I mean I can actually, but you may have. Yeah.
The last line says, trust yourself. We do.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
We're there, guys. In a reading about money, the page
can represent a message about a money matter. This card
recommends examining details and information yourself, rather than simply relying
on others for advice. However, it also warns against overconfidence.

(55:54):
Ignorance can lead to losses.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Oh okay, is this something that you know about the
case too that I'm not? I mean, there is it there?
There is a monetary. You're right, I do remember that
little piece. Okay, you guys, it's interesting. Uh the color
of the bird's head as well. Yeah, I don't know.

(56:18):
You might say it could be gold, Yeah, it does,
it does kind of.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
It's like that, it's like a very bright yellow.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Gold could be treasure. I don't know, maybe that I
don't know. You guys, could be nothing, could be everything.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
If the reading is about your job, this card shows
you beginning a career that tests your intelligence and education.
You may be starting a project that requires good communication skills,
or you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying ideas.
In a reading about love, This card can indicate an
immature or detached attitude towards relationships.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Oh oh, I was just thinking of what didn't Daniel
like cheat on his wife with the housekeeper or something
or not hot the slave. I'm sorry, I need to
call it what it is. Yeah, well, don't don't give
too much away. Well, we kind of we did talk
about it. Yeah, that's how I yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Exactly, Yeah, it's it's gonna come up and I'm going
to tie together some pieces that like everybody's already kind
of talked about. But uh, interesting, Yeah, I haven't dug
into like that specific aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
How much could you even find on that like that
kind of thing. Isn't it wanting to keep a written
record of that?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
You know?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, it's true. You just kind of see what happened
and come up with your own Yeah. We could be
totally wrong.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
I yeah, but that was kind of my My thinking was,
I don't I don't know, maybe in terms of just
like do how much can we really, I mean, we
can speculate wildly obviously, but like how much can we
confirm about that? Like I wonder is there any truth
to that? And like is there any way for us
to kind of, like, I don't know, put any stock

(58:05):
in that.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I don't know. I can't wait to talk about it
more and find out more of the details. Maybe there's
something that will point us in the right direction. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see. Yeah, perhaps you're harboring an
unrealistic ideal about love. The page may also suggest you're
not ready to commit to a relationship, you have other

(58:25):
things to do first, which sort of I feel like
does it does sort of seem like that backs up
like kind of your idea there your theory. I was like, oh,
it sounds like me Yeah, I am baby, Okay, what
was the work the one about the job, because that

(58:46):
kind of reminded me about Vicky being the homeowner and
she rents it out as an Airbnb and does like
the tea seance nights and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, but she does so many like they host so
many different interesting events there. It sounds like they've done
and all kinds of different things. To know if the
reading is about your job. This card shows you beginning
a career that tests your intelligence and education. You may
be starting a project that requires good communication skills, or

(59:14):
you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying ideas.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Okay, well that's just yeah, yeah, it just sounds like
women at work, you know, I know, just boss girl
in it. Yeah, we were kind of talking about that
while the while the husbands were running around in the background.
I know that they got to talking there at the end.
I didn't notice. That was very cute. Yeah, they had

(59:41):
a little bit of a meet cute in the kitchen
while we were working. The women were working, the men
were in the kitchen. Yeah, how it should be. Okay,
well should I see what kind of bird this is?
I'm very excited to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I mean, my god, I better say otherwise I'm going
to do a Google image search.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Oh it always it does. Okay, Okay, page of thoods
it's a horny lark. It's a horned lark. No it's not.
It's a horn horned lark. Okay, it like it is
not a horny lark. It's a horned lark, horny lark
that has no time for relationships. Curiosity, intelligence, inspiration. That

(01:00:26):
felt like our whole vibe that night. Curiosity is like
I feel like the word of my life. Yeah, I
very curious person.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It's so interesting because I feel like we go about
it in like really different ways a lot of times
when I feel like that's such a key component of
the show for us and like kind of how we
really reconnected, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I feel like that's such a key thing. Curiosity. Yeah,
I feel like that's both like both of us us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, the rabbit holes we go down, I mean it's
we literally just can't leave well enough alone. That's fine.
I'm okay with that. I've made my piece with it,
A quick wit, a fast study. Ooh, that sounds like
all of us do. Eagerness, new ideas and perspective communication.
I love it. The fledgling road, the high desert wind,

(01:01:15):
testing their new abilities and opinions, opinions. He I N
I O N S Is that like a bird move maneuver?
That's what I'm wondering. Okay, let me look, you guys
can't see me, but I just made a sick bird
maneuver with my sick bird wing hands.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Okay, uh oh Okay, okay, okay, hold on, okay, so
this is actually I'm glad we look this up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I said it wrong. I have no idea I can
look at the Google pent opinions without the Oh yeah,
I mean the pronunciation guy that Google is giving me.
I actually think pinion is right. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
It says the outer part of a bird's wing, including
the flight feathers, so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
It's literally part of the verb. So it's like when
they first grow those feathers and they're learning to fly.
Because it said the fledgling rode the high desert when
testing their new abilities in their new pinions, that is
so cool, perfect interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
You can also use this as a verb, and okay,
I'm seeing an example here that's highlighted that has peaked
my interest.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
If you will or would you say your curiosity? Yes?
Were we just talking about rabbit hole?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
So in the third person present pinions or opinion, it
says tie or hold the arms or legs of someone,
and the example sentence is opinioned the limbs of his opponent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Oh is that is that the Maybe a part of
things that went down could prove to have some relevance.
I guess we'll just have to see that is so
weird that we were just talking about how curious we
were and that we just looked up a random word
that we probably didn't think I had anything to do
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Well, and how strange that a word that's really like
when you're talking about like an in the noun form,
it's a part of a bird, and then it has
this other application that's like sort of a dark verb.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Interesting. Yeah, they measured their currents by their pressure against
outstretched wings and experimented with the effect of feather positioning
on airflow. Mastery would come quickly. They expected they could
go anywhere. Ooh, that is that just right there, reminding

(01:03:45):
me of a ghost like testing out its new ability
to like go anywhere it wants in time and space,
you know, you know, I actually and that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
And not to to give too much away, but thinking
about this period of history that I know my part
comes from in Oregon, Basically these are like the wild
West days we can go anywhere. So it's like that
very much like it's that like settler vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean. It is Ooh, I
really like this this cardful even though we didn't get
to do it. At the house, like we we really
wanted to like I do the house, like get the
vibes in the cards, but we took these cards, but
it takes the cards. Yeah, so it did, I feel
like absorb some of the vibes. And when I was
I was cleansing the cards, but I told it to

(01:04:42):
keep the energy of what it had had at the house, yeah,
because I didn't know what it had picked up in
the meantime, but like, I didn't want to lose that.
So when I was cleansing it, it was on the
cards you have not been used since the house. So
so I think, yeah, I think it worked out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Should we do our goodbye? Yeah, I guess. So have
a creepy as day? All right, well do you want
to give us a have a creepy ass day?

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Into the microphone?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
But I ever, wait, how old are you? Can you say? Ask?

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Are you loud?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You're interviewing me? Not knowing how I believe it. I'm
twenty four, Okay, I was gonna say, because I made
that joke about protection and I'm always like rapping before
you tap it, And I was like, wait, wow, look
so young youthful. Okay, perfect, so you can say asked,
I can't, as would you like to say I have

(01:05:43):
a creepy ass day into the microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah,