October 28, 2025 • 41 mins
We’re kicking off Hallo-week with an extra creepy bonus for episode 204: The Bizarre Tale of Jake the Alligator Man. We’ll see you later this week for another spooky episode! 🎃
Back at Marsh’s Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, we dive into more of the odd treasures this roadside attraction has to offer. We’ll also explore the history behind their most chilling artifact — an authentic tsantsa, or shrunken head. Once sacred symbols of power and protection, these relics have a dark history of fascination and exploitation. Turning ancient tribal rituals into grotesque souvenirs…
Finally, we’ll uncover the full story of the SS Admiral Benson shipwreck!
Strange artifacts, lost history, and coastal legends — it’s all waiting for you in this week’s deep dive into the weird and wonderful world of Marsh’s Free Museum.
GET TICKETS to Ghosts of the Grand! (Use code: CULTMEMBER for $5 off). You're invited into the shadowed halls of Salem’s historic, 125-year-old Grand Theatre for an unforgettable haunted experience. Step beyond the stage and into the darkness, where immersive storytelling, chilling performances, and eerie surprises await around every corner.
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us atpnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts. Sources
Back at Marsh’s Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, we dive into more of the odd treasures this roadside attraction has to offer. We’ll also explore the history behind their most chilling artifact — an authentic tsantsa, or shrunken head. Once sacred symbols of power and protection, these relics have a dark history of fascination and exploitation. Turning ancient tribal rituals into grotesque souvenirs…
Finally, we’ll uncover the full story of the SS Admiral Benson shipwreck!
Strange artifacts, lost history, and coastal legends — it’s all waiting for you in this week’s deep dive into the weird and wonderful world of Marsh’s Free Museum.
GET TICKETS to Ghosts of the Grand! (Use code: CULTMEMBER for $5 off). You're invited into the shadowed halls of Salem’s historic, 125-year-old Grand Theatre for an unforgettable haunted experience. Step beyond the stage and into the darkness, where immersive storytelling, chilling performances, and eerie surprises await around every corner.
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us atpnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts. Sources
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Caitlin, Hi, KESSI Hi. We're doing a bonus for
you today and it is the long awaited bonus for
the Jake the Alligator Man episode. Yeah, because I told
you guys, I couldn't leave him alone. He's not really
in this. We're going to talk about actually more of
like the Marsh's Free Museum, and I know that you guys, well,
(00:25):
Caitlin definitely had questions about the shipwreck. I don't know
if you guys remember the shipwreck. So we'll get there, okay,
and we'll talk about it a little bit more. We're
going to talk about some of the other fun things
besides Jake the Alligator Alligator Man, like find at Marsh's
Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, which fun fact, I
(00:50):
don't know if you guys know Shay and Jody from
Rainy Day Rabbit Holes, when they came to visit us,
they stopped here and visited Jake the Alligator Man, and
they got us stickers, which I forgot to pull mine out,
but they gave us a little Jake the Alligator stickers.
It's so sweet, and they took some pictures of some
stuff for us. There is a replica, Okay, so we
(01:11):
are going to start off talking about Jake, but then
that's it. Okay, okay, So there is a replica of
Jake that looks down from the roof like a gargoyle.
I don't know if they got a picture of that.
I'll have to look through them. But I thought that
was so cute that he's just like up there a
replica of him watching over the entrance the building. That
(01:32):
just feels like a lot. But okay, I mean he
is kind of their like main guy. He's like on
you know, all their stickers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So yeah, yeah, no, he's he's the A team.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah exactly. They're not They're not coming for some of
this other stuff, which maybe they should be. So it
also has the world's largest collection of glass glass fishing balls,
which I don't I don't know why. I thought that
that was so interesting that you guys needed to know,
but I did, and now you know, so you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I needed to know.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh good, Okay, thank you. They also have someone named
Mary Lou and Mary Lou is a complete human skeleton
that was a She was apparently found in someone's closet
in Aberdeen. No, thank you and I did try to
look this up, but I couldn't find anything. But so
(02:32):
I don't know. It could not be true, it could
not be reported on, or maybe Caitlin could find it.
I don't know. Okay, this is the funnest thing though,
that I think that they have. And I begged Shane Jodi.
I was like, oh my god, you guys are that
I need a picture of this.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's the Wyoming werewolf. And this is quote a cleverly
modeled deer butt.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, that didn't exactly go oh I expected.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's very strange and I was freaking in tears when
I when I thought the picture this thing was captured
December twelfth, nineteen seventy six, in Aten, Wyoming. Okay, how
(03:31):
is that cleverly modified deer butt?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Caitlin's modified. I don't know how clever I think it is.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's real ugly. It is not. It's not attractive. The eye,
the eyestone, even the gum line, the tongue is orange.
It's it's odd, but they basically made the butthole into
a mouth. I have.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I haven't won so many and absolutely zero questions, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like I know exactly what you mean. Oh boy, yeah,
that was my favorite I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That is that is a lot. It's a lot to
take in, which I feel like, is what the deer was.
That's what she said, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, Oh boy, what a werewolf? What a Wyoming werewolf?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This was found in Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yep Oka says the sign captured, not found captured. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay,
we can we can move on from the the weird taxidermy.
It's just like maybe some normal taxidermy. Oh already, so
they have more the cat who was and still is
(05:03):
their shop cat when he sadly passed away, they had
him tax taxi dermid and I don't know what that's called,
but we're gonna go with Taxi dermid. Yeah, so that
they could keep their beloved pet in the store's collection.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't know how I feel about that, lay.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I did think about that for my cat, but it
would be really creepy. Yeah I think it was. Yeah,
but in this environment where you already have a bunch
of tax dirmy, you see it every day. You're used
to this cat being there every day, and then all
of a sudden it's not I feel like that's something
that's like the rare situation where maybe it's not so creepy.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, just another Tuesday, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Just another Tuesday at Marsha's Free Museum can pay all
these wonderful creatures. You can also apparently visit an authentic
shrunken head from the Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest
of South America. It's apparently authentic, but we're we're gonna go.
I had to. I had to you, guys, I was
(06:07):
so interested in this shrunken head deal, Like are these
things actually authentic? Are they real? Are they are? Like Jake, like,
what are these things? So I I fell down that
rabbit hole and I felt I fell in deep and
you guys have to go with it. And how I'm
(06:28):
gonna drag you down there with me, and we're gonna
learn all about how shrunken heads are made together and
it's gonna be Okay, we're gonna get through it together. Okay,
I need water first.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Though, Okay, great, we're.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Gonna we're gonna listen and we're not gonna judge. Okay,
this is what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest consists of four
tribes the show are at you are Hua Misa, Hua Misa,
I love that and a guaruna a guaruna. I wrote
them all out. I really tried.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah you got it hooked on phonics, baby.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And they're like, they're beautiful words. They're really cool to say,
So yeah, I think they are. We're listening and we're
not judging these beautiful Amazonian rainforest tribes, right, Okay, Okay,
this is their culture, not yet, this was their culture,
this is their history. So that's that's the angle that
(07:28):
we're coming at this with. Okay, Okay. The shrunken heads
are called sansas and they're spelled like ts a n TSAs,
but it's pronounced sansas, kind of like Game of Throne sansa.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, this obviously seems very morbid and grotesque to us
now than it is, but to them, you know, we
kind of already talked about it. This was their tribal practice.
It had great symbolic and spiritual meaning to them, so
they don't do it anymore. They'll just start there.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Okay, are you gonna tell us about what exactly they
were doing?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm going to okay, and it's going to be.
It's gonna be okay. So they were worn around their
waist as trophies. They believe that by shrinking the head,
they would acquire the soul of that person and that
would give them power and protection like in battle, oh
my gosh, as many of as humans. The Hebro people
(08:32):
fought over land resources, hunting grounds, and I'm sure many
other things, like a beautiful woman like it could have
been anything, you know. Yeah, okay, So trigger warning. I'm
going to describe the process of shrinking the heads, but
as gently as possible, okay, And just keep in mind
that this was ceremonial and we still don't really actually
(08:55):
know everything that went on in the process. There's some
mystery about it because it's not you know. Okay. So
after unaliving an enemy, they would remove the head from
the body. Then they removed the skin from the skull,
and then the skull was discarded. It was used as
an offering to their spirit helpers. So they then have
(09:20):
the skin, right, and they would sew the eyes shut
and then to actually shrink it, it would be simmered
for one to two hours, and this kind of made
the skin darker. It gave it more of a rubbery texture,
and then it was filled with hot stones and sand
to further shape and preserve it. That's the end. That's it.
(09:43):
I told you gently fast. Where I didn't there was
a lot of other details. I didn't need to go
into the details. I just wanted the basics of kind
of how it was done.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So cut to the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries where sand,
it says, captivated European explorers who would take them home
as souvenirs. So who's the gross ones The people who
are doing it for ceremonial practices it's part of their culture.
(10:16):
Or the people who are like, oh, this is a
shrunken head from another human being. I'm gonna take it
home and put it on my mantle for decoration.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm gonna be honest. I definitely think it's all it's
all a little gross. Yeah, definitely, the you know colonist
people that are coming in, the colonizers, Yeah, coming in
and taking them as like a souvenir.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's uh So it's layers of gross, icky and it
gets it just makes everything like like we do, it
just made everything so much worse. Okay, they eventually became
highly sought after naturally increasing demand. You maybe can see
(11:01):
where this is going. This led to an increase in
head hunting parties for not only humans, but also animals
like sloss and monkeys.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Why are we the worst?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah? And I was like, is this where like the
term ahead hunting comes from. Oh? I didn't really look
it up because I just I just kind of like
was a passing thought in my mind. But I was like, oh,
like that's.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
A literal thing, you know. I think, I think, I
just I think, you know, I think I want off
this planet. I don't. I don't like it here. It's
not for me.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, And it's really sad because then they started I mean,
it's sad when you kill humans, but then they start
killing like sloss and monkeys because they're like, yeah cute,
well faces are very similar to ours.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So no, I hate that.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But so that they would they would do these Obviously
this is not ceremonial, This is not part of an
ancient practice. This is now selling counterfeit heads right, no,
tourists and collectors.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
This is what happens when capitalism meets other culture.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah. Yeah, like literally quite literally, it's so gross.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's really Ichy.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But finally, in the nineteen thirties, the Ecuadorian and Peruvian
governments outlawed the trafficking of shrunken heads, so it's no
longer legal.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well that took a lot longer than I'm comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, the nineteen thirties, you guys. Yeah, so I don't know.
It's possible that they have an older, real shrunken head.
It's possible they have a counterfeit one that was headhunted.
It's possible. I mean, who knows, I don't know. They
(13:01):
they do. They do claim that it is authentic, so
that's just I'm gonna go with that. That's what they
say at their store. But who knows.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Okay, we're moving on.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That wasn't so.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Bad, right, Okay, But it's it's it's so interesting that
you go into these places and look at because we've
seen we've seen trunk and heads before. Who I don't
know if they were authentic either or not, but it's like, oh, yeah,
another trunk like you like. But now when you know
all of this that goes into it, and like where
(13:33):
because only these four like specific tribes did this is
from what I read anyway. So you're just like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's very interesting. It is.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Uh, I can confirm it is giving me the ick. Yeah, uh,
but it's it is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But it also reminds you Beetlejuice. And I didn't even
to have Beetle just colors back there. It just happened
because you do know where he has the shrunken head guy. Yeah, yeah, okay,
so we've come to the Admiral Benson, the s s
Admiral Benson.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Shipwreck, never forget a shipwreck, speaking of the one shipwreck
we will never ever forget. I wore a theme shirt.
I wore my theme shirt for you guys, because if
(14:35):
you will listen to the episode, we talked about how
the Benson we was the hotel that we said was
the Titanic, and then there was a ship ship.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It all connects.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
This was the whole thing. Yeah, it's all connects. Keep up, people,
So you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So your question was did the shipwreck stay there or
did they get it removed? And I did not actually
really know the answer to that question. I did say
I think it broke up and then like went away.
I don't think you're like, yeah, I was like, yeah,
I don't really know. I don't and that's fair. This
episode was about Jake the alligator man. This shipwreck was
(15:17):
like bonus content, like this is like.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
A passer by, you know, like ships in the night,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But then I was like, well, why don't I just
look it up and tell you guys? So here we are.
So we're going to talk about the shipwreck, not the Titanic,
the Admirals Admiral Benson tripwreck.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, like I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Leo unfortunately or fortunately, well probably unfortunately wasn't on this
boat because he would have survived if he was on
the shipwreck. Yeah, yeah, because we did talk about that.
There were no casualties, so.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, that's right. No floating doors.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I mean, I'm not saying there wasn't floating doors, but
no one died on them, okay, all right, or off
of them. No one was pushed into the icy cold.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Water, into the icy blue depths.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Never, let go? She's not ready yet. Do you need
another second?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do you need I'm good.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Do you need to finish your reenactment?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listen? You can't bring up the Titanic and expect me
to behave like an adult. Okay, it's tenuous and best. Anyways,
was it?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
There was like a reel or something I saw recently
that was like turtles or something like reenacting the the
Door scene and the Titanic. I'm like having a I
don't know if this is real. This could be a
fever dream.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know either way, I want it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But it was like turtles or something like fighting over
a log and like one of them pushed the other. Yeah, anyway,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
About turtles, Okay, I mean, I guess I'm still interested.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
February fifteenth, nineteen thirty. So like kind of around the
time that they were outlawing the shrunken Heads.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, so it all comes down.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It all rolls around, the.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It all rolls around all.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
The day after Valentine's Day, February fifteenth, nineteen thirty, the
SS Admiral Benson was headed to Portland from San Francisco.
The weather and the seas were relatively calm, but there
was a heavy, dense fog at the entrance to the
Columbia River. Ohboy, and at six forty pm, the SS
(17:46):
Admiral Benson ran aground on the south end of Peacocks
spit a quarter mile west of the North Jetty. I
don't know what any of that means, but that's the info.
I don't know. You guys can google if you want
to know where it's at, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like nautical shit. Yeah, I don't know. I like the
peacocks spit though, Yeah, I was like, oh boy, I
didn't realize that that they did that. I thought that
was like kind of more exclusive to camels.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I don't know, let's ask a peacock if they spit
or swallow. You know, we've done that before, that song,
that Katie Perry's song. We've talked about peacocks before. Man,
it's not the first time.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I you know, I like to say I'm surprised, but
obviously I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So it did run aground, It wasn't like a wreck.
It was a pretty gentle wreck, like nothing crazy happened,
and the Admiral Benson was not damaged or in immediate danger.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So okay, so this is more like I literally ran
out of gas and I just slowly like let myself
off onto the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that ran aground. Yeah,
that's a good way to put it. Captain Charles C.
Graham radioed the Coastguard for assistance, but doesn't send any
distress signal because it was not really in distress. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh okay, I mean okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
On February sixteenth, so the next day, the Coast Guard
removed thirty four passengers and all non essential crew members,
and at high tide, Captain Graham attempted to refloat the vessel.
The vessel I like to see the ship. I don't know.
I don't want to see the vessel the ship, but
(19:39):
she did remain stuck. He wasn't able to get her free. Well,
maybe should have stopped colinder of vessel. Yeah, talk nice
to her, rubber nice maybe you know. Yeah, this is
a quote direct from the article, because well you'll just see,
okay quote. Several boats, including the powerful Canadian seagoing tug
(20:03):
Salvage King, stood by to attempt to pull the Admiral
Benson out end question. Oh but it didn't work. Not
even the powerful Canadian seagoing tug Salvage King could free
the Admiral Benson.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What should we do?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, i'll tell you. On February seventeenth, the weather starts
to look bad. So maybe there is a little bit
more pressing danger. Okay, So the coast Guard removed the
five remaining passengers in most of the remaining crew, so
only like the captain and very essential crew members were
(20:40):
on board. At noon, a decision was made to abandon
all efforts to pull the Admiral Benson off the Peacock's
fit until the storm passed. So obviously, like storming, they
can't really try to save it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean, not a great time.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, but Captain Graham flooded all of the cargo to
try to keep the ship from like pounding against the
sand bar. So they tried to like weigh it down.
I guess, okay, I guess that's what that means.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think I see the logic.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, it's like it's not gonna sink because it's stuck
on a sandbar. So they're trying to like just make
it so it's not like beating wildly around and like
the waves and the winds.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I still I don't I don't know, not a not
a coal expert, but I'm not sure that I love
that with passengers aboard.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, they've all been off board. All the passengers are gone,
at this point just yeah, some of the crew members.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well that's what I'm saying. Okay, there's still human people
on the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But if they I don't know, if they agreed to
be there, if they were forced, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But on February eighteenth, so the next day the storm
got worse and than the last of the crew members
were removed. So, like any true captain, Captain Graham decided
he was going to stay on board until there was
absolutely no hope of saving the ship. So he's really
going to stick it out until the end.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah. I mean they always say, like, you know, the
captain goes down with the ship, right, which I hope
he doesn't because that would be a really stupid thing
to die for.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That would be not the way to go down almost
stuck ship. It's not like it's in danger, right, Like you.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Do that because you're there to man the ship and
try to protect the passengers.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He just like he lives there now. He's like, okay,
I'm living here now, I'm going down with the ship
no matter how long it takes.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, zero dollars rent you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He's out there in like a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hell yeah, anyway, he works remotely, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So the storm just kept getting worse over the next
several days, and Captain Graham reported that the ship was
starting to break up. It's just not good. And the
weirdest thing happened. I was sitting here typing this, listening
to a little you know, Spotify, and as I'm typing
(23:19):
like this sentence, Selena Gomez comes on and is singing,
And as I'm literally typing break up, she is singing,
call me when you break up as I'm typing break up.
How fucking weird is that? This just happened when I
was fixing up my notes. While isn't that weird?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just have to bring those up whenever it happens
because it's so interesting to me. So the Admiral Benson
actually made it through the storm with little damage. Surprisingly,
that's so crazy. But it did push the ship further
into the peacock'spith. Now, I mean, now we kind of
already know how this ends boiler alert. This made it
(24:02):
impossible to ever free the Admiral Benson on a Sunday,
February twenty third, So this happened on the fifteenth, So
it's now the twenty third. Captain Graham finally abandons ship
and his wife.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Is so freaking pissed.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She's like, she's like, come on, the.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Twins have colic, and I could really use some help
around here.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
She's got a baby on her hip. She's she's got
tip for some reason. The other one was on the ground.
I pictured it was on the ground like holding it
was holding onto her leg, and one was on her
hip and she's flipping off the boat. He's like, I
live here now, this makes more sense why he stayed
(24:52):
or it?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
All the twins Colic is rough.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'd stay on the boat too. You should, especially if
there's no immediate dangerous like for vacation.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Man, I mean, you'd be an asshole husband. But yeah,
I also at the same time would be like, eh,
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There was a hearing after this, and Captain Graham testified
that it was only his second trip to Portland and
he did not have the experience to be able to
successfully navigate navigate, Navigate Kate, the navigate Lynn, the Admiral Benson.
He did, he didn't. He didn't have it, you guys.
(25:32):
He couldn't navigate the Admiral Benson across the Columbia River
bar under the severe foggy conditions, and I wrote severed,
but I meant to write severe foggy conditions. He gave
no excuses for it other than misjudgment of the strong
ocean currents carried him a little off course. There was
(25:52):
heavy fog, he couldn't see well. So yeah, I mean, Aaron,
I've had a sore throat for a month and a half.
He gave no excuses other than all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Now, I mean, I feel like that's you know, it
sounds like kind of in a way, it's like and
we're saying that jokingly, like it does kind of sound like, oh,
he gave no excuses except but it's like that's really
important context because in his position, you know, I mean,
you could be criminally charged, right, even if nobody was
(26:27):
necessarily physically harmed, Like that could be you know, gross
negligence or something. So I feel like that's fair, Like, hey, listen,
this is totally my bad, but just so you know,
these were kind of extraordinary circumstances.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Like I wasn't drunk basically, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Listen, I didn't stick the landing like solely.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But no, not at all. I mean maybe boats are
harder to fly than plants, and we're just gonna leave
that where it landed and keep going. We're gonna leave
it where it landed, just like the SS Admiral Beinson.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Oh god, yeah, no, we'll just use golf rules, you know,
just you got to play it as it lies.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Captain C. C. Graham he pleaded guilty to the charge
of negligence and his master Mariner license was suspended for
six months. That's rough. Yeah, I mean I guess if
it probably wasn't a paid suspension, I don't know. I mean,
because he just got his license taken away. So yeah,
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like he can't work or you know.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
He can do some stuff off the books, and I
would imagine.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
He's got the twins at home.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So yeah, yeah, you got to keep those mouths fed.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So now we're going to find out what happened to
the boat, because this was like kind of your question.
It took me kind of forever to get here, but
now we're going to answer your question. Finally, real.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
History, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And then this this long ass thing I'm about to say,
the Association of Mariner Insurance Underwriters. They those guys sent
salvagers to protect the ship from being pillaged.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
After the storm, a salvage crew went in and they
used gondolas to like like a rigging pulley system of gondolas,
oh my gosh, to remove all the usable cargo that
was left over in the ship.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They were like, we're taking it, yeah, getting it.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They didn't want to leave all that money just because
then other people were just going to take it, so
they wanted to take anything they could out. But it
took them like two weeks to do it because they
were using fucking gondolas.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my god. Yeah, dude, that is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And they had to like protect the ship that whole
time too, so other people wouldn't take this stuff. I
think that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, the nineteen thirties of it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
All, Oh yeah, and I could still I can see
all these people like standing on the beach too, just
like watching all of this happen, watching the gondola ride,
Like that's why the burger stand did so good if
we remember.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, honestly, this reminds me of oh my gosh, what
was it? Was it? Treasure Cove? I think I covered
for prohibition Drid.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, is that the right I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's the right name, but I know you mean.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
But all of the people on the beach, they were like,
oh shit, a ship coming from Canada just crashed. Oh interesting,
I wonder what they had aboard. I guess I should
go and check it out.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's the party ship.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A party ship crash, go go go go.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So over time, once they got all of the stuff,
the usable stuff out of the ship, they just obviously
scavengers got to it and they just like removed anything
and everything. They stripped it of anything usable, and then
it took years for the ship to break up, and
then some of the wreckage is actually still visible at
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extreme low tide. Shut the fuck up. So I was
kind of right. I thought it just broken up, and yeah,
they just had to leave it there. They literally couldn't
get it out. I mean we talked about it. The
Canadian strong Man, yes man, you know, the guy salvage
ship couldn't get it out.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The Canadian sexy Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The Canadian sexy Bear ship could not get it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
The Canadian browny man and his pet bear.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I don't even want to go look at the original
quote because I think we nailed it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, we crushed it obviously, So wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We're all of that to answer your question at the
very end, And yeah, I thought, I just think this
shit's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, because like I feel like just knowing that it
kind of eventually disintegrated, like that's okay, Yeah, that's like
that's one part of the story. It's like one little
piece of it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, that was so oh and it does remind me
too of like the there's like shipwreck Beach where there's
still like a shipwreck on the little old beach that
you can go visit and like walk around by the shipwreck.
So it's kind of like that I want to go
to there. We should we should go here. We should
go visit Jake the Alligator Man and see the bit.
(31:38):
You know you want to stand inside that big pan,
you know you do. Remember you're gonna marry Jake the
Alligator Man.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, No, I'm already married. And wait, isn't his birthday celebration?
That's my wedding day. Literally, Okay, so I'm already married,
but not to him out unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I feel like we should pull a card. I
got my little cabinetarium cabinetorium, cabinet weirdo of them, Yeah,
cabinetarian nonums. Okay, send me your vibes, your shipwreck vibes.
You're werewolf, wyoming, drunken. Let go titanic vibes, vibes. I'm
(32:20):
gonna spread these out and pick one. We're gonna feel
it out. I won't leave my mouth open while I
do this.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You guys, yeah, you want to see what we got?
Do you want to see Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We got Morris the Cats.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh cute.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We talked about a kiddy. Indeed, it's spades. It's the
Jack of spades. Some I don't know what the Jack
of Spades is in, so we're gonna just quickly google it.
Unless Kate already doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm already doing it. Spades in playing cards corresponds to
the suit of sword, while jackson playing cards don't have
a direct equivalent in tarro, they are often interpreted representing
both pages and night. This says the Jack of spades
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being specifically associated with a night of swords. Oh, okay,
night of swords. Our keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,
single mindedness, and insensitivity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
This is sort of screaming captain to me, like all
of it, even the insensitivity with what you were.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Saying, single mindedness.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, but like filling filling the rooms with water, and
you were like, but there's still people on board.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Knights often symbolize messages or travel.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Travel We don't, oh before I forget the like battling.
So this is like the shrunken heads the swords, and
the cat does like kind of look like it's holding
like you're gonna like this ahead then I don't know
if you can see it looks like a little.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Bit yeah, I mean it's a spade head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including the
writer Waite Smith Tarot show this night rushing hell bent
toward an adversary or adventure.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Oh okay yeah, or you could be rushing hell bent
towards a sandbar.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean you know that's an adversary.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I really is a.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Formidable one at that. In the Aquarian Tarot, however, he
shoulders his sword contemplating his next move. If he represents
a person, you know, he may be someone who's overly
aggressive or argumentative, who lives in attack mode, or he
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might be a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect
to examine and purify himself.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Interesting. That is all like interesting, and I'm not sure
if I have the words to connect it, but there's
some sort of connection there, you guys, you tell us.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
The upright night may suggest you're passionate about your ideas
and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of your objective.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Going down with the ship.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah. If this card represents an actual person, he's probably
a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may
have trouble understanding others' viewpoints.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He was a new captain too, so hmm.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh, he has a quick mind and keen intellect, but
may lack true wisdom. Get you see Graham times. This
night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
That is so unexpected trip and unexpected D two D
yeah yeah, yeah, Well he did have an unexpected trip
because he was on his way to Portland, but when
he got to Portland he had a hearing instead of
just like unloading his ship.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah. Interesting, Okay, so I think this has a tie
in to kind of the first half of what we
were talking about. So there's an extra excerpt in between
in the interpretation here so on our modern day athletic
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teams have their roots in the medieval period, when knights
served the royalty and noble houses. Our allegiance to particular teams,
often connected to the schools we attended or the places
where we live, recalls our ancestorsdelity to the tribes, fiefdoms,
or countries to which they belonged. Even the penance waived
(37:07):
at sporting events harkened back to days of old when
soldiers carried banners into battle to indicate the side for
which they.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Fought whoa like more trophies.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Banner is kind of on the front end of war,
and the you know, the trophies are kind of on
the back end.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have their their
tribal like banners and stuff, like they're yeah, right, But
I mean it's it's like the overarching principle of like
everybody has sort of.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Their own customs when it comes to everything in life,
including war. In a reading about money, you may need
to act quickly in a financial matter with some gonds
two weeks, but don't neglect to study the situation before
making a decision. The upright. Night may point to a
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trip for financial reasons, or a message about money. Sometimes
he heralds a change in your resources, like I don't know,
maybe a few unplanned months of unpaid leave.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it's too bad because
I feel like, you know, so much can happen in
terms of you know, seafaring conditions and the weather.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
That's it's a lot to put on, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
But he did.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
We did learn that he did work. He just wasn't
able to drive the boat. He just didn't have his
boat insense. But he did work, like at the marina
or whatever they said. I can't remember. Yeah, oh my gord.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
If the reading is about your job, this can represent
a business trip. Sometimes it means a job change or
a shift in work related responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
The night may also caution you to hold your tongue
and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Definitely bided his time.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
How many days? Fifteenth, fifteenth to the twenty third?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Like, well, I'm thinking more in the aftermath for.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Sure, over a week? Yeah that is true. Yep, yeah,
hold your tongue. Nothing else happened.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I think of it. More as like, you know, he
kind of approached it from a position of like really
taking ownership, but also like and also being it seems like,
from all indications, very respectful. So it was very much
like diplomacy for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, we just you know, I want to juice your history.
This is why, you know, historical things are in movies
are often by historical things are often more spicy.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It all this bus that bad Billio?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How crazy do my eyes get? When there's like a connection.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
In a reading about love, the night may point to
a new affair or a change in an existing relationship
that brings more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also
recommend being more flexible and tolerant.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Maybe because his wife with the twins at home, had
to share the fabrication that we made, the space that
we added.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
The completely fictional backstory that we have invented.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I'm so sorry. C. C. Graham wherever you are, Rip,
I assume I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm going to say, yeah, we're just having fun here.
We're yes ding yeah, no, we really are. Yeah, it's
a hearty yes, I am for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well should we go?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah we should do it?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Have a creepy as day. Oh my God, what the fuck?
Last time you said it, you said it was too slow.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I said it like normal, and you went like.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, cree upstand yo, I thought we were saying goodbye.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We I mean we were, and then you ave a
mariad up in this bitch.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Should we do it togain or was that sufficient enough?
I'm sure it was fine, Okay, perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
We listen and we don't judge.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I can do one
Hi, Caitlin, Hi, KESSI Hi. We're doing a bonus for
you today and it is the long awaited bonus for
the Jake the Alligator Man episode. Yeah, because I told
you guys, I couldn't leave him alone. He's not really
in this. We're going to talk about actually more of
like the Marsh's Free Museum, and I know that you guys, well,
(00:25):
Caitlin definitely had questions about the shipwreck. I don't know
if you guys remember the shipwreck. So we'll get there, okay,
and we'll talk about it a little bit more. We're
going to talk about some of the other fun things
besides Jake the Alligator Alligator Man, like find at Marsh's
Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, which fun fact, I
(00:50):
don't know if you guys know Shay and Jody from
Rainy Day Rabbit Holes, when they came to visit us,
they stopped here and visited Jake the Alligator Man, and
they got us stickers, which I forgot to pull mine out,
but they gave us a little Jake the Alligator stickers.
It's so sweet, and they took some pictures of some
stuff for us. There is a replica, Okay, so we
(01:11):
are going to start off talking about Jake, but then
that's it. Okay, okay, So there is a replica of
Jake that looks down from the roof like a gargoyle.
I don't know if they got a picture of that.
I'll have to look through them. But I thought that
was so cute that he's just like up there a
replica of him watching over the entrance the building. That
(01:32):
just feels like a lot. But okay, I mean he
is kind of their like main guy. He's like on
you know, all their stickers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So yeah, yeah, no, he's he's the A team.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah exactly. They're not They're not coming for some of
this other stuff, which maybe they should be. So it
also has the world's largest collection of glass glass fishing balls,
which I don't I don't know why. I thought that
that was so interesting that you guys needed to know,
but I did, and now you know, so you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I needed to know.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh good, Okay, thank you. They also have someone named
Mary Lou and Mary Lou is a complete human skeleton
that was a She was apparently found in someone's closet
in Aberdeen. No, thank you and I did try to
look this up, but I couldn't find anything. But so
(02:32):
I don't know. It could not be true, it could
not be reported on, or maybe Caitlin could find it.
I don't know. Okay, this is the funnest thing though,
that I think that they have. And I begged Shane Jodi.
I was like, oh my god, you guys are that
I need a picture of this.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's the Wyoming werewolf. And this is quote a cleverly
modeled deer butt.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, that didn't exactly go oh I expected.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's very strange and I was freaking in tears when
I when I thought the picture this thing was captured
December twelfth, nineteen seventy six, in Aten, Wyoming. Okay, how
(03:31):
is that cleverly modified deer butt?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Caitlin's modified. I don't know how clever I think it is.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's real ugly. It is not. It's not attractive. The eye,
the eyestone, even the gum line, the tongue is orange.
It's it's odd, but they basically made the butthole into
a mouth. I have.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I haven't won so many and absolutely zero questions, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like I know exactly what you mean. Oh boy, yeah,
that was my favorite I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That is that is a lot. It's a lot to
take in, which I feel like, is what the deer was.
That's what she said, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, Oh boy, what a werewolf? What a Wyoming werewolf?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This was found in Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yep Oka says the sign captured, not found captured. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay,
we can we can move on from the the weird taxidermy.
It's just like maybe some normal taxidermy. Oh already, so
they have more the cat who was and still is
(05:03):
their shop cat when he sadly passed away, they had
him tax taxi dermid and I don't know what that's called,
but we're gonna go with Taxi dermid. Yeah, so that
they could keep their beloved pet in the store's collection.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't know how I feel about that, lay.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I did think about that for my cat, but it
would be really creepy. Yeah I think it was. Yeah,
but in this environment where you already have a bunch
of tax dirmy, you see it every day. You're used
to this cat being there every day, and then all
of a sudden it's not I feel like that's something
that's like the rare situation where maybe it's not so creepy.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, just another Tuesday, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Just another Tuesday at Marsha's Free Museum can pay all
these wonderful creatures. You can also apparently visit an authentic
shrunken head from the Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest
of South America. It's apparently authentic, but we're we're gonna go.
I had to. I had to you, guys, I was
(06:07):
so interested in this shrunken head deal, Like are these
things actually authentic? Are they real? Are they are? Like Jake, like,
what are these things? So I I fell down that
rabbit hole and I felt I fell in deep and
you guys have to go with it. And how I'm
(06:28):
gonna drag you down there with me, and we're gonna
learn all about how shrunken heads are made together and
it's gonna be Okay, we're gonna get through it together. Okay,
I need water first.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Though, Okay, great, we're.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Gonna we're gonna listen and we're not gonna judge. Okay,
this is what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest consists of four
tribes the show are at you are Hua Misa, Hua Misa,
I love that and a guaruna a guaruna. I wrote
them all out. I really tried.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah you got it hooked on phonics, baby.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And they're like, they're beautiful words. They're really cool to say,
So yeah, I think they are. We're listening and we're
not judging these beautiful Amazonian rainforest tribes, right, Okay, Okay,
this is their culture, not yet, this was their culture,
this is their history. So that's that's the angle that
(07:28):
we're coming at this with. Okay, Okay. The shrunken heads
are called sansas and they're spelled like ts a n TSAs,
but it's pronounced sansas, kind of like Game of Throne sansa.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, this obviously seems very morbid and grotesque to us
now than it is, but to them, you know, we
kind of already talked about it. This was their tribal practice.
It had great symbolic and spiritual meaning to them, so
they don't do it anymore. They'll just start there.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Okay, are you gonna tell us about what exactly they
were doing?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm going to okay, and it's going to be.
It's gonna be okay. So they were worn around their
waist as trophies. They believe that by shrinking the head,
they would acquire the soul of that person and that
would give them power and protection like in battle, oh
my gosh, as many of as humans. The Hebro people
(08:32):
fought over land resources, hunting grounds, and I'm sure many
other things, like a beautiful woman like it could have
been anything, you know. Yeah, okay, So trigger warning. I'm
going to describe the process of shrinking the heads, but
as gently as possible, okay, And just keep in mind
that this was ceremonial and we still don't really actually
(08:55):
know everything that went on in the process. There's some
mystery about it because it's not you know. Okay. So
after unaliving an enemy, they would remove the head from
the body. Then they removed the skin from the skull,
and then the skull was discarded. It was used as
an offering to their spirit helpers. So they then have
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the skin, right, and they would sew the eyes shut
and then to actually shrink it, it would be simmered
for one to two hours, and this kind of made
the skin darker. It gave it more of a rubbery texture,
and then it was filled with hot stones and sand
to further shape and preserve it. That's the end. That's it.
(09:43):
I told you gently fast. Where I didn't there was
a lot of other details. I didn't need to go
into the details. I just wanted the basics of kind
of how it was done.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So cut to the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries where sand,
it says, captivated European explorers who would take them home
as souvenirs. So who's the gross ones The people who
are doing it for ceremonial practices it's part of their culture.
(10:16):
Or the people who are like, oh, this is a
shrunken head from another human being. I'm gonna take it
home and put it on my mantle for decoration.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm gonna be honest. I definitely think it's all it's
all a little gross. Yeah, definitely, the you know colonist
people that are coming in, the colonizers, Yeah, coming in
and taking them as like a souvenir.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's uh So it's layers of gross, icky and it
gets it just makes everything like like we do, it
just made everything so much worse. Okay, they eventually became
highly sought after naturally increasing demand. You maybe can see
(11:01):
where this is going. This led to an increase in
head hunting parties for not only humans, but also animals
like sloss and monkeys.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Why are we the worst?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah? And I was like, is this where like the
term ahead hunting comes from. Oh? I didn't really look
it up because I just I just kind of like
was a passing thought in my mind. But I was like, oh,
like that's.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
A literal thing, you know. I think, I think, I
just I think, you know, I think I want off
this planet. I don't. I don't like it here. It's
not for me.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, And it's really sad because then they started I mean,
it's sad when you kill humans, but then they start
killing like sloss and monkeys because they're like, yeah cute,
well faces are very similar to ours.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So no, I hate that.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But so that they would they would do these Obviously
this is not ceremonial, This is not part of an
ancient practice. This is now selling counterfeit heads right, no,
tourists and collectors.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
This is what happens when capitalism meets other culture.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah. Yeah, like literally quite literally, it's so gross.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's really Ichy.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But finally, in the nineteen thirties, the Ecuadorian and Peruvian
governments outlawed the trafficking of shrunken heads, so it's no
longer legal.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well that took a lot longer than I'm comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, the nineteen thirties, you guys. Yeah, so I don't know.
It's possible that they have an older, real shrunken head.
It's possible they have a counterfeit one that was headhunted.
It's possible. I mean, who knows, I don't know. They
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they do. They do claim that it is authentic, so
that's just I'm gonna go with that. That's what they
say at their store. But who knows.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Okay, we're moving on.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That wasn't so.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Bad, right, Okay, But it's it's it's so interesting that
you go into these places and look at because we've
seen we've seen trunk and heads before. Who I don't
know if they were authentic either or not, but it's like, oh, yeah,
another trunk like you like. But now when you know
all of this that goes into it, and like where
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because only these four like specific tribes did this is
from what I read anyway. So you're just like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's very interesting. It is.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Uh, I can confirm it is giving me the ick. Yeah, uh,
but it's it is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But it also reminds you Beetlejuice. And I didn't even
to have Beetle just colors back there. It just happened
because you do know where he has the shrunken head guy. Yeah, yeah, okay,
so we've come to the Admiral Benson, the s s
Admiral Benson.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Shipwreck, never forget a shipwreck, speaking of the one shipwreck
we will never ever forget. I wore a theme shirt.
I wore my theme shirt for you guys, because if
(14:35):
you will listen to the episode, we talked about how
the Benson we was the hotel that we said was
the Titanic, and then there was a ship ship.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It all connects.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
This was the whole thing. Yeah, it's all connects. Keep up, people,
So you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So your question was did the shipwreck stay there or
did they get it removed? And I did not actually
really know the answer to that question. I did say
I think it broke up and then like went away.
I don't think you're like, yeah, I was like, yeah,
I don't really know. I don't and that's fair. This
episode was about Jake the alligator man. This shipwreck was
(15:17):
like bonus content, like this is like.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
A passer by, you know, like ships in the night,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But then I was like, well, why don't I just
look it up and tell you guys? So here we are.
So we're going to talk about the shipwreck, not the Titanic,
the Admirals Admiral Benson tripwreck.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, like I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Leo unfortunately or fortunately, well probably unfortunately wasn't on this
boat because he would have survived if he was on
the shipwreck. Yeah, yeah, because we did talk about that.
There were no casualties, so.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, that's right. No floating doors.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I mean, I'm not saying there wasn't floating doors, but
no one died on them, okay, all right, or off
of them. No one was pushed into the icy cold.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Water, into the icy blue depths.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Never, let go? She's not ready yet. Do you need
another second?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do you need I'm good.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Do you need to finish your reenactment?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listen? You can't bring up the Titanic and expect me
to behave like an adult. Okay, it's tenuous and best. Anyways,
was it?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
There was like a reel or something I saw recently
that was like turtles or something like reenacting the the
Door scene and the Titanic. I'm like having a I
don't know if this is real. This could be a
fever dream.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know either way, I want it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
But it was like turtles or something like fighting over
a log and like one of them pushed the other. Yeah, anyway,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
About turtles, Okay, I mean, I guess I'm still interested.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
February fifteenth, nineteen thirty. So like kind of around the
time that they were outlawing the shrunken Heads.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, so it all comes down.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It all rolls around, the.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It all rolls around all.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
The day after Valentine's Day, February fifteenth, nineteen thirty, the
SS Admiral Benson was headed to Portland from San Francisco.
The weather and the seas were relatively calm, but there
was a heavy, dense fog at the entrance to the
Columbia River. Ohboy, and at six forty pm, the SS
(17:46):
Admiral Benson ran aground on the south end of Peacocks
spit a quarter mile west of the North Jetty. I
don't know what any of that means, but that's the info.
I don't know. You guys can google if you want
to know where it's at, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like nautical shit. Yeah, I don't know. I like the
peacocks spit though, Yeah, I was like, oh boy, I
didn't realize that that they did that. I thought that
was like kind of more exclusive to camels.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I don't know, let's ask a peacock if they spit
or swallow. You know, we've done that before, that song,
that Katie Perry's song. We've talked about peacocks before. Man,
it's not the first time.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I you know, I like to say I'm surprised, but
obviously I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So it did run aground, It wasn't like a wreck.
It was a pretty gentle wreck, like nothing crazy happened,
and the Admiral Benson was not damaged or in immediate danger.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So okay, so this is more like I literally ran
out of gas and I just slowly like let myself
off onto the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that ran aground. Yeah,
that's a good way to put it. Captain Charles C.
Graham radioed the Coastguard for assistance, but doesn't send any
distress signal because it was not really in distress. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh okay, I mean okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
On February sixteenth, so the next day, the Coast Guard
removed thirty four passengers and all non essential crew members,
and at high tide, Captain Graham attempted to refloat the vessel.
The vessel I like to see the ship. I don't know.
I don't want to see the vessel the ship, but
(19:39):
she did remain stuck. He wasn't able to get her free. Well,
maybe should have stopped colinder of vessel. Yeah, talk nice
to her, rubber nice maybe you know. Yeah, this is
a quote direct from the article, because well you'll just see,
okay quote. Several boats, including the powerful Canadian seagoing tug
(20:03):
Salvage King, stood by to attempt to pull the Admiral
Benson out end question. Oh but it didn't work. Not
even the powerful Canadian seagoing tug Salvage King could free
the Admiral Benson.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What should we do?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, i'll tell you. On February seventeenth, the weather starts
to look bad. So maybe there is a little bit
more pressing danger. Okay, So the coast Guard removed the
five remaining passengers in most of the remaining crew, so
only like the captain and very essential crew members were
(20:40):
on board. At noon, a decision was made to abandon
all efforts to pull the Admiral Benson off the Peacock's
fit until the storm passed. So obviously, like storming, they
can't really try to save it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean, not a great time.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, but Captain Graham flooded all of the cargo to
try to keep the ship from like pounding against the
sand bar. So they tried to like weigh it down.
I guess, okay, I guess that's what that means.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think I see the logic.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, it's like it's not gonna sink because it's stuck
on a sandbar. So they're trying to like just make
it so it's not like beating wildly around and like
the waves and the winds.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I still I don't I don't know, not a not
a coal expert, but I'm not sure that I love
that with passengers aboard.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, they've all been off board. All the passengers are gone,
at this point just yeah, some of the crew members.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well that's what I'm saying. Okay, there's still human people
on the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But if they I don't know, if they agreed to
be there, if they were forced, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But on February eighteenth, so the next day the storm
got worse and than the last of the crew members
were removed. So, like any true captain, Captain Graham decided
he was going to stay on board until there was
absolutely no hope of saving the ship. So he's really
going to stick it out until the end.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah. I mean they always say, like, you know, the
captain goes down with the ship, right, which I hope
he doesn't because that would be a really stupid thing
to die for.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That would be not the way to go down almost
stuck ship. It's not like it's in danger, right, Like you.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Do that because you're there to man the ship and
try to protect the passengers.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He just like he lives there now. He's like, okay,
I'm living here now, I'm going down with the ship
no matter how long it takes.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, zero dollars rent you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He's out there in like a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hell yeah, anyway, he works remotely, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So the storm just kept getting worse over the next
several days, and Captain Graham reported that the ship was
starting to break up. It's just not good. And the
weirdest thing happened. I was sitting here typing this, listening
to a little you know, Spotify, and as I'm typing
(23:19):
like this sentence, Selena Gomez comes on and is singing,
And as I'm literally typing break up, she is singing,
call me when you break up as I'm typing break up.
How fucking weird is that? This just happened when I
was fixing up my notes. While isn't that weird?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just have to bring those up whenever it happens
because it's so interesting to me. So the Admiral Benson
actually made it through the storm with little damage. Surprisingly,
that's so crazy. But it did push the ship further
into the peacock'spith. Now, I mean, now we kind of
already know how this ends boiler alert. This made it
(24:02):
impossible to ever free the Admiral Benson on a Sunday,
February twenty third, So this happened on the fifteenth, So
it's now the twenty third. Captain Graham finally abandons ship
and his wife.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Is so freaking pissed.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She's like, she's like, come on, the.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Twins have colic, and I could really use some help
around here.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
She's got a baby on her hip. She's she's got
tip for some reason. The other one was on the ground.
I pictured it was on the ground like holding it
was holding onto her leg, and one was on her
hip and she's flipping off the boat. He's like, I
live here now, this makes more sense why he stayed
(24:52):
or it?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
All the twins Colic is rough.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'd stay on the boat too. You should, especially if
there's no immediate dangerous like for vacation.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Man, I mean, you'd be an asshole husband. But yeah,
I also at the same time would be like, eh,
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There was a hearing after this, and Captain Graham testified
that it was only his second trip to Portland and
he did not have the experience to be able to
successfully navigate navigate, Navigate Kate, the navigate Lynn, the Admiral Benson.
He did, he didn't. He didn't have it, you guys.
(25:32):
He couldn't navigate the Admiral Benson across the Columbia River
bar under the severe foggy conditions, and I wrote severed,
but I meant to write severe foggy conditions. He gave
no excuses for it other than misjudgment of the strong
ocean currents carried him a little off course. There was
(25:52):
heavy fog, he couldn't see well. So yeah, I mean, Aaron,
I've had a sore throat for a month and a half.
He gave no excuses other than all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Now, I mean, I feel like that's you know, it
sounds like kind of in a way, it's like and
we're saying that jokingly, like it does kind of sound like, oh,
he gave no excuses except but it's like that's really
important context because in his position, you know, I mean,
you could be criminally charged, right, even if nobody was
(26:27):
necessarily physically harmed, Like that could be you know, gross
negligence or something. So I feel like that's fair, Like, hey, listen,
this is totally my bad, but just so you know,
these were kind of extraordinary circumstances.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Like I wasn't drunk basically, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Listen, I didn't stick the landing like solely.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But no, not at all. I mean maybe boats are
harder to fly than plants, and we're just gonna leave
that where it landed and keep going. We're gonna leave
it where it landed, just like the SS Admiral Beinson.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Oh god, yeah, no, we'll just use golf rules, you know,
just you got to play it as it lies.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Captain C. C. Graham he pleaded guilty to the charge
of negligence and his master Mariner license was suspended for
six months. That's rough. Yeah, I mean I guess if
it probably wasn't a paid suspension, I don't know. I mean,
because he just got his license taken away. So yeah,
(27:33):
like he can't work or you know.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
He can do some stuff off the books, and I
would imagine.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
He's got the twins at home.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So yeah, yeah, you got to keep those mouths fed.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So now we're going to find out what happened to
the boat, because this was like kind of your question.
It took me kind of forever to get here, but
now we're going to answer your question. Finally, real.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
History, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And then this this long ass thing I'm about to say,
the Association of Mariner Insurance Underwriters. They those guys sent
salvagers to protect the ship from being pillaged.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
After the storm, a salvage crew went in and they
used gondolas to like like a rigging pulley system of gondolas,
oh my gosh, to remove all the usable cargo that
was left over in the ship.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They were like, we're taking it, yeah, getting it.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They didn't want to leave all that money just because
then other people were just going to take it, so
they wanted to take anything they could out. But it
took them like two weeks to do it because they
were using fucking gondolas.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my god. Yeah, dude, that is wild.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And they had to like protect the ship that whole
time too, so other people wouldn't take this stuff. I
think that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, the nineteen thirties of it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
All, Oh yeah, and I could still I can see
all these people like standing on the beach too, just
like watching all of this happen, watching the gondola ride,
Like that's why the burger stand did so good if
we remember.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, honestly, this reminds me of oh my gosh, what
was it? Was it? Treasure Cove? I think I covered
for prohibition Drid.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, is that the right I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's the right name, but I know you mean.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
But all of the people on the beach, they were like,
oh shit, a ship coming from Canada just crashed. Oh interesting,
I wonder what they had aboard. I guess I should
go and check it out.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's the party ship.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A party ship crash, go go go go.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So over time, once they got all of the stuff,
the usable stuff out of the ship, they just obviously
scavengers got to it and they just like removed anything
and everything. They stripped it of anything usable, and then
it took years for the ship to break up, and
then some of the wreckage is actually still visible at
(30:11):
extreme low tide. Shut the fuck up. So I was
kind of right. I thought it just broken up, and yeah,
they just had to leave it there. They literally couldn't
get it out. I mean we talked about it. The
Canadian strong Man, yes man, you know, the guy salvage
ship couldn't get it out.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
The Canadian sexy Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The Canadian sexy Bear ship could not get it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
The Canadian browny man and his pet bear.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I don't even want to go look at the original
quote because I think we nailed it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, we crushed it obviously, So wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We're all of that to answer your question at the
very end, And yeah, I thought, I just think this
shit's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, because like I feel like just knowing that it
kind of eventually disintegrated, like that's okay, Yeah, that's like
that's one part of the story. It's like one little
piece of it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, that was so oh and it does remind me
too of like the there's like shipwreck Beach where there's
still like a shipwreck on the little old beach that
you can go visit and like walk around by the shipwreck.
So it's kind of like that I want to go
to there. We should we should go here. We should
go visit Jake the Alligator Man and see the bit.
(31:38):
You know you want to stand inside that big pan,
you know you do. Remember you're gonna marry Jake the
Alligator Man.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, No, I'm already married. And wait, isn't his birthday celebration?
That's my wedding day. Literally, Okay, so I'm already married,
but not to him out unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I feel like we should pull a card. I
got my little cabinetarium cabinetorium, cabinet weirdo of them, Yeah,
cabinetarian nonums. Okay, send me your vibes, your shipwreck vibes.
You're werewolf, wyoming, drunken. Let go titanic vibes, vibes. I'm
(32:20):
gonna spread these out and pick one. We're gonna feel
it out. I won't leave my mouth open while I
do this.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You guys, yeah, you want to see what we got?
Do you want to see Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We got Morris the Cats.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh cute.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We talked about a kiddy. Indeed, it's spades. It's the
Jack of spades. Some I don't know what the Jack
of Spades is in, so we're gonna just quickly google it.
Unless Kate already doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm already doing it. Spades in playing cards corresponds to
the suit of sword, while jackson playing cards don't have
a direct equivalent in tarro, they are often interpreted representing
both pages and night. This says the Jack of spades
(33:21):
being specifically associated with a night of swords. Oh, okay,
night of swords. Our keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,
single mindedness, and insensitivity.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
This is sort of screaming captain to me, like all
of it, even the insensitivity with what you were.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Saying, single mindedness.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, but like filling filling the rooms with water, and
you were like, but there's still people on board.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Knights often symbolize messages or travel.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Travel We don't, oh before I forget the like battling.
So this is like the shrunken heads the swords, and
the cat does like kind of look like it's holding
like you're gonna like this ahead then I don't know
if you can see it looks like a little.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Bit yeah, I mean it's a spade head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including the
writer Waite Smith Tarot show this night rushing hell bent
toward an adversary or adventure.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Oh okay yeah, or you could be rushing hell bent
towards a sandbar.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean you know that's an adversary.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I really is a.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Formidable one at that. In the Aquarian Tarot, however, he
shoulders his sword contemplating his next move. If he represents
a person, you know, he may be someone who's overly
aggressive or argumentative, who lives in attack mode, or he
(35:05):
might be a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect
to examine and purify himself.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Interesting. That is all like interesting, and I'm not sure
if I have the words to connect it, but there's
some sort of connection there, you guys, you tell us.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
The upright night may suggest you're passionate about your ideas
and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of your objective.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Going down with the ship.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah. If this card represents an actual person, he's probably
a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may
have trouble understanding others' viewpoints.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He was a new captain too, so hmm.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh, he has a quick mind and keen intellect, but
may lack true wisdom. Get you see Graham times. This
night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
That is so unexpected trip and unexpected D two D
yeah yeah, yeah, Well he did have an unexpected trip
because he was on his way to Portland, but when
he got to Portland he had a hearing instead of
just like unloading his ship.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah. Interesting, Okay, so I think this has a tie
in to kind of the first half of what we
were talking about. So there's an extra excerpt in between
in the interpretation here so on our modern day athletic
(36:43):
teams have their roots in the medieval period, when knights
served the royalty and noble houses. Our allegiance to particular teams,
often connected to the schools we attended or the places
where we live, recalls our ancestorsdelity to the tribes, fiefdoms,
or countries to which they belonged. Even the penance waived
(37:07):
at sporting events harkened back to days of old when
soldiers carried banners into battle to indicate the side for
which they.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Fought whoa like more trophies.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Banner is kind of on the front end of war,
and the you know, the trophies are kind of on
the back end.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have their their
tribal like banners and stuff, like they're yeah, right, But
I mean it's it's like the overarching principle of like
everybody has sort of.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Their own customs when it comes to everything in life,
including war. In a reading about money, you may need
to act quickly in a financial matter with some gonds
two weeks, but don't neglect to study the situation before
making a decision. The upright. Night may point to a
(37:59):
trip for financial reasons, or a message about money. Sometimes
he heralds a change in your resources, like I don't know,
maybe a few unplanned months of unpaid leave.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it's too bad because
I feel like, you know, so much can happen in
terms of you know, seafaring conditions and the weather.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
That's it's a lot to put on, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
But he did.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
We did learn that he did work. He just wasn't
able to drive the boat. He just didn't have his
boat insense. But he did work, like at the marina
or whatever they said. I can't remember. Yeah, oh my gord.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
If the reading is about your job, this can represent
a business trip. Sometimes it means a job change or
a shift in work related responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
The night may also caution you to hold your tongue
and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Definitely bided his time.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
How many days? Fifteenth, fifteenth to the twenty third?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Like, well, I'm thinking more in the aftermath for.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Sure, over a week? Yeah that is true. Yep, yeah,
hold your tongue. Nothing else happened.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I think of it. More as like, you know, he
kind of approached it from a position of like really
taking ownership, but also like and also being it seems like,
from all indications, very respectful. So it was very much
like diplomacy for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, we just you know, I want to juice your history.
This is why, you know, historical things are in movies
are often by historical things are often more spicy.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It all this bus that bad Billio?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How crazy do my eyes get? When there's like a connection.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
In a reading about love, the night may point to
a new affair or a change in an existing relationship
that brings more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also
recommend being more flexible and tolerant.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Maybe because his wife with the twins at home, had
to share the fabrication that we made, the space that
we added.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
The completely fictional backstory that we have invented.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I'm so sorry. C. C. Graham wherever you are, Rip,
I assume I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm going to say, yeah, we're just having fun here.
We're yes ding yeah, no, we really are. Yeah, it's
a hearty yes, I am for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well should we go?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah we should do it?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Have a creepy as day. Oh my God, what the fuck?
Last time you said it, you said it was too slow.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I said it like normal, and you went like.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, cree upstand yo, I thought we were saying goodbye.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We I mean we were, and then you ave a
mariad up in this bitch.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Should we do it togain or was that sufficient enough?
I'm sure it was fine, Okay, perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
We listen and we don't judge.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I can do one
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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