November 5, 2025 • 43 mins
This week, we venture deep into the mist-shrouded Pacific Northwest to unearth one of the region’s most haunting legends in Kwakwaka’wakw folklore — the story of Baxbakwalanuksiwe’, the Man-Eater at the North End of the World.
Once banned by colonial authorities and nearly lost to time, the Hamat’sa, or “Cannibal Dance,” is a ceremonial initiation that confronts humanity’s darkest impulses and the mythic hunger embodied by Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. Covered in gaping mouths and crying out “hap, hap, hap” — “eat, eat, eat” — this monstrous figure stalked not just the imagination of his people, but the very limits of what it means to be human.
Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ stands as both a monster and a mirror — a figure embodying survival, hunger, and the uneasy boundary between the spiritual and the human. Join us as we explore how this story survived suppression, what it reveals about cultural resilience, why it remains so powerful today, and what the “Ever-More-Perfect-Manifestation-of-the-Essence-of-Humanity” might truly mean.
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Once banned by colonial authorities and nearly lost to time, the Hamat’sa, or “Cannibal Dance,” is a ceremonial initiation that confronts humanity’s darkest impulses and the mythic hunger embodied by Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. Covered in gaping mouths and crying out “hap, hap, hap” — “eat, eat, eat” — this monstrous figure stalked not just the imagination of his people, but the very limits of what it means to be human.
Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ stands as both a monster and a mirror — a figure embodying survival, hunger, and the uneasy boundary between the spiritual and the human. Join us as we explore how this story survived suppression, what it reveals about cultural resilience, why it remains so powerful today, and what the “Ever-More-Perfect-Manifestation-of-the-Essence-of-Humanity” might truly mean.
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us atpnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts. Sources
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
He is also known by one other name, Cannibal at
the North end of the World.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy.
You got to give it a little pop. But I
like that. That's good. That's the one. Yeah, it's like,
be descriptive, but don't be like blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You know an either. You know, it could mean several
different things. Okay, Cannibal is very clear.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is true. I think you know. It's eloquent in
its brevity.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He could be going Nelly for tato in everyone's pass.
Oh hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi creepy people. Oh hi,
why are you scared? Caitlin? You don't know what's about
to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I don't, but you've been building it up for like
a week. I mean, at least spooky season is technically over,
but it never ends.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It never ends here, not on PNW Haunts and Homicides,
where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all
things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The limit does not exist or the.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
P and W. If you're nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
El she got it in there.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, we had to because this episode is fucking nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh okay, well nasty nasty all right, So now I
feel like I'm maybe getting a sense of things. Do
we say the thing about the tarot? Because we do
a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit
of deeper insight into our topic.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I wonder what we're going to get for this one.
It's it's so I'm so interested.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, I really like to know what tarot deck you're
planning to use.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Ah, well, I could give you a little spoily and
show you which one I'm gonna use.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The progress excellent.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, let's just get right into it. Okay, we're gonna
do one of Caitlin's no No topics today.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Great, I was hoping you would say that.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And I'm gonna start with a some lyrics from a
song from the Hammatzi Ceremony, which I'll explain what that
is if you don't know what that is in a
little bit too, all right. I went all around the
world to find some food. I don't know beat you guys.
So it's just I'm just reading it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I could do it. I could try to do it
like a rapper.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I went all around the Okay, yeah, I don't think
he should do that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Okay, I went all around the world to find some food.
I went all around the world to find human flesh. No,
I went all around the world to find human heads.
I went all around the world to find corpses. But imagine,
(03:01):
like not in English. Yeah, it probably sounds really really
cool and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So yeah, yeah, I'm glad you sang it in English
so that I wasn't like accidentally like boppin' like.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, Yeah, Well, I probably couldn't pronounce it any of
the words because it was really hard. Uh. It was
hard to find how to pronounce these words, uh that
I have to say anyway, so we're not gonna be
speaking a different language, okay, oh right. The most terrifying
story in the quah Quah key Walk folklore is of
(03:39):
back bach while a naxie way.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Sounds pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I'm gonna like spell it for you. Oh jeez,
b A x b A x w A l A
n U K s I w E.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That feels a little overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It does, but when you get it broken down for you,
back back while knocks the way, it's not too bad.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean, I'm glad that it didn't come up at
the sixth grade spelling babe, but right, because that would
pretty rough, intense.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's actually funny you mentioned that, because I found a
lot of the info for this in like a it's
a grade school curriculum really yeah, says it's meant for
grades four and five.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Okay, very specific.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Because this story is a little it's I mean, it's
a little rough. Yeah, so I wanted to find something
that kind of also not watered it down, but like
made it a little more tame. So like maybe you know,
we'll talk about the grade school version a little bit then, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right, I just maybe make it a little bit more palatable.
So I guess we're going to find out. Am I
smarter than a fifth grader? Am I more emotionally mature
than a fifth grader?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I feel like I I know the answers, but we'll
find out.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Would you like to know what baba well anoxieway translates
to na man eater at the North end of the World. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I had a feeling that it was gonna be something
that I wasn't going to be super psyched about.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But so I'm sending you the picture of him.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh boy, this is Nightmare Fuel.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No, this is Baba well a Knoxie.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Way listen as someone who's worked in a lot of
dental offices. That's not normal dentician. It's entirely too many teeth.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's a lot of teeth. Ah, a lot of mouths,
a lot of weirdly placed mouths.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Are you are you seeing where all the mouths are placed?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
They uh so, let's describe him a little bit. So
he's kind of they say, anthro I can't say the
word an anthrop thank you. There. We're just gonna leave
it with Caitlyn saying it anthropomorphic. So he kind of
does have a human appearance. He's got like, you know,
(06:14):
a torso, legs, head, mouths, arms, and nose and is
there any Yeah, I don't think he has ears or rise.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Doesn't look like it because all of them are mouths
where those should be.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So he's pretty horrifying, terrifying. Caitlyn did say it correctly
when she said Nightmare Fuel. Yeah, his entire body is
covered in mouths. His butt's of mouth, flower back is
a mouth. Yeah, his feet, his knees are a mouse
his knees. There's mouths placed randomly on his arms and
(06:53):
legs and shoulders. He has a mouth where mouths, mouths go.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, he does have that. He's also got like the
plague doctor sort of like I think, is that his nose.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's his nose. Yeah, and it's very like and it
does have a nostril so he can sniff you out.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It is quite sizable in terms of nostril size.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It does remind me of substance a little bit. The substance, yes,
the end of the If you guys haven't seen that,
go watch it and then look at beautiful Baba wallanoxy
way here. Oh right. Oh, and they also have him
(07:37):
kind of compared that little pink picture. Looks like they're
comparing him to a human. So he's a little bit bigger. Well,
he's a lot a bit bigger than a human, a
lot of bit bigger. Yeah, His nose is basically the
size of a human. They describe his mouth as gaping, snapping, bloody,
and his call is hap hap hap, which means eat
(08:00):
or something along those lines in that language. Oh and
the way I read hap haf hath was not as
a word. I read it as an anomonopoia like it. No,
I read it as like an automnopia sound like.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, I was making it yeppier.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, like a dog, I was.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I was trying to tone it down a little bit.
But yeah, yours makes yours makes more sense in the
light of the visual.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which is kind of funny speaking of dogs, because my
dog used to make this sound when she was like
being pissy and irritating a little shit to me, and
she would like talk back, and she would.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Go, well, maybe she's got a little.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Little cannibal in her. I mean, she did like to
lick and chew and nibble me, so maybe maybe she
wasn't nibbler. We talked about it. Yeah. Among a few
variations in the spelling, there are also a few variations
in the translation. He who first ate man at the
(09:03):
mouth of the river or he who first ate humans
on the water? Okay, the and this is a quote
the ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity. Eh,
but like that's poetic as fuck.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, but I mean it's kind of words like creepy
word salad.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity?
Is this, Like we're all just walking around with these
giant mouths, just wanting shit from everybody, just trying to
eat up everybody, just worried about ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, if you turn it into like a metaphor, sure,
I'm just saying, like, if you go down to the
base and it's like ever more perfect and we're talking
about a cannibalistic creature, yeah, not that feels those are
those are contradicting delios.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, my dude, things can be true. You've said it,
those two things can be true.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, I I don't that's a qualifier that I don't
know I've ever agreed to.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I think we should all just take that and
like as like a journal prompt and just like journal
about this for a little while, because I just I
want to know what everyone thinks, okay, or simply man eater.
He's a man. He is also known by one other name.
This is the name that actually really drew me to him,
(10:44):
Cannibal at the North End of the World.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Listen, I I want things to be kind of neat
and tidy. You got to give it a little pop.
But I like that. That's good. That's the one. Yeah,
it's like be just but don't be like blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, an eater. You know, it could mean several
different things. Okay, cannibal is very clear.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is true. I think you know, it's eloquent in
its brevity.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He could be going Nelly Fortado on everyone's ass. Oh so,
mister man's eater here is the villain of the Hamasa
or cannibal dance, which is the first most important and
infamous dances of the Seca ceremony. I probably didn't say
that totally correctly because it's like the k has a
(11:34):
weird mouthfeel and I don't I don't get it right.
But yeah, seca like sequa or something.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, okay, No, that can be hard because like some
languages do have like this, and mouthfeel is exactly the
right word for it. It's like when you speak French
but you don't do the O you know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, yes, And it's like the qua quah k walk
has like a at the end of it that's supposed
to be like oh whoo.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you're like I'm treating I'm so close.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And oh my gosh. And I found a YouTube video
where actually someone was pronouncing all of the words. So
I was crying just so hard, and I'm like, you
say it so much better than me, and I just know, can.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You come on our podcast right? No, But it's like
it's very difficult to actually train your mouth to like
hit the syllables. Sometimes mouth words are hard. Mouthwords are hard. Hey,
you can do the research. You can do the research.
And sometimes in the moment the words that you say,
(12:38):
it's like you don't hit quite the right like intonation
or pronunciation.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I hope I'm doing it right. I just refresh right
before this, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah. And here's the thing is, I think that everybody
knows you're taking the time, you are making the effort,
and I think that's the most important thing we do.
We do try to nail it whenever possible.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But you know, and if someone speaks this language, please
call show please, I will love to talk to you. Yeah,
though it would be so cool.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I love to I love to actually hear people in
their native you know language, and like hear how it's
supposed to be said and not you know, butchered by us.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah. I also have a lot of questions, like a
lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Canada outlawed the ceremony in eighteen eighty five because naturally
colonizers didn't understand it and found it too disturbing. Caitlin.
The cannibalism, Yeah, the cannibalism thing. Yeah, they kind of
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah. No, and biologically we're kind of supposed to not
We shouldn't do it, right, definitely probably shouldn't do it. No,
you definitely shouldn't. You definitely shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Like if you're trying, Hey, we're we don't. We we
don't judge, you know, the people.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We're not change, but we've sure survival is one thing
I would say with cultural traditions, we can respect that
that was the culture, but also understand that those are
things that can actually make people like fatally ill.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah. And I mean I'm not even talking about cultural
cannibalism or anything like that. I'm just talking about like,
you know, the Donner Pass or the Donner Party or whatever,
like people that just had to do it to survive.
But actually that is kind of a big misunderstanding with
this whole thing. And we'll go on and I'll explain
like what the ceremony is all about. So they did
(14:41):
attempt to kind of erase it from history, and they
wanted them to you know, assimilate into their culture and
just kind of like erase their whole see past.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, Like if we're just trying to you know, make
people safe, that's one thing, right, But the rasure of
their culture, that's where it becomes like, yeah, it's giving colonization.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And then once I explain it too, I think you're
gonna be like, wait what They just truly didn't get it.
Oh no, this is the story behind the Hamatsa ceremony
and Baba wall An Oxyway, the villain of the story.
Four sons of a chief found the house of the
(15:27):
man Eater Baba wall Anoxyway. Oh, and of course they
went inside. They checked it out.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's that part in the horror movie where they go
down into the basement, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Just yeah, Well, then once inside they realized that the
creatures in there were trying to eat them. You don't say,
like Baba wal Anoxyway was probably like did you not
see like the man eater sign like, yeah, you're in
my house, dude.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
My doormatt litterally, Lee says man eater turned back.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It kind of reminds me of like Hansel and Gretel, Yes,
where they find like the witch's house. Yeah, and then
she wants to eat them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. I mean it's kind of a it's a spin off.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did we like, did we cancel Hansel and Gretel? Probably not.
Did we outlaw that story? No? Well maybe I'm not
actually sure the history on that. We'll come back to it, okay. Anyway,
So they didn't want to get eight, so they ran,
and they got chased all the way home by Baba Wallonnoxieway,
but they didn't make some obstacles along the way to
(16:38):
slow him down. So they made it home in time
to warn their father, the chief. By the way, he
was the chief. I don't know if you've heard of it,
the four sons of the Chief princes right, there'd be princes.
I don't know what chief sons are actually called, but
in my mind they're like spoiled little princes. Yeah. I
could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't know what their title would be. Yeah, instance,
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Someone let us know. They made it home in time
to warn their father of what was like just coming
right behind them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They're like, everybody should go.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So we brought this guy. We brought this guy here
to the village.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Daddy, we fucked up.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
We don't fucked up. The Chief greets the cannibal very
politely and is like, hey, you want to kill my kids,
Like that's fine, but you should go back and like
bring your wife and son with you so you can
all just have a feast. Oh. In the fourth and
(17:40):
fifth grade version, it kind of just says, you know that,
he nicely just told them, Hey, go back and get
your wife and kid and come back. He didn't mention
anything about like you can have my sons. They're like
worthless anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't know, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
In another version of the story I found, but I
thought that was really funny. That's when I'm getting like
the spoiled prince vibe.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I will say, I think I'm picturing the reaction
of the spoiled princes and I'm just I'm hearing them.
We are so putting him in a home, like you
know what I mean, Like, Dad, that is so much job.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Seriously, But I think he was just kind of like
trying to pull one over on Baba. Oh yeah, I
don't know why he listened to the chief. He's like,
oh yeah, Okay, my family, kiddy, let's go get the
wife and kids. Probably get a bitch about dinner if
I if I eat without her.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So honestly, that's thoughtful of you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can you imagine a little baby baba.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I can't know, it would still be bigger than me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
When he returns with his family, the chief invited him
to sit on this pew, a full new throne, like
not a throne, but like it's just a nice seat,
like a guest yeah seat, you know, Okay, it's not
like here's my throne. You can be cheap or anything,
just like a nice seat for him to sit in.
It's like this because like a place of honor. Right,
(19:15):
And they're big, so I assume they don't need they
don't want like a normal human sized chair. They probably
want like a big chair, right.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Ye that feels fair. Yeah, that's how I feel when
I get on an airplane. I don't want this normal
human sized chair.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I want first class size. So they built him a
first class sized plane seat. No, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And they're all having kind of a good time telling stories.
It was like, hey, since you're here, we'll tell you
a bunch of stories from our history and our peoples
love it, and you can just chill and we'll entertain you.
And then eventually the guests fall asleep. You know, I
don't know if they were having drinkies. They didn't really,
(20:01):
it wasn't really clear in here. But the Baba's all
fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, I was I was gonna say the guests as
in the man Eats. Yes, the man Eaters great, just
needed to be real. The cannibals at the north end
of the world, at the North Pole. Cannibals at the
North Pole from.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Sam excellent, they're the lamb wreeze. As they slept the
four sons, who was the bait? Basically to get them
to come back here, they pulled apart the chairs which
were built specifically for the Baba family, and underneath the
(20:41):
chairs was a huge pit of boiling water.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh no, So.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
When they pulled the chairs right out from one of
their booties, they're sleeping little booties where they thought they
were safe. They were having a good time party, they
were going to eat. They were gonna have a great meal.
But they ended up in a boiling pit of water
and they died. The whole family taken out in one night.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That is tragic. It's like the Red Wedding all over again.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's what it totally reminded me of. Like, Hey, come over,
we're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Hey, you want to hang out in our kingdom?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Jokes on you, your dad.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, So just a couple of thoughts. Notes, how how
is it that you can position a ginormous chair over
a pit of boiling water and no one notices, because
I number one would have a very obvious sign atop
my head that something in the atmosphere was changing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Right, Yeah, but I don't think the babas have hair.
They look hairless to me. So, I mean the.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Butt mouths getting a little moist.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Maybe it was a really deep pit. I don't know,
but they that it's like part of the reason they
wanted to get them out of there, because like they're like,
we need to come up with a plane to kill
these guys. For sure, build this pit while they're gone.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Excellent, excellent work in what I have to assume was
a very quick turnaround.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And you know what, they're probably pretty moist because of
all of those mounts. Eh, they're walking humidifiers anyway, so
they just couldn't tell no, I can't, and they don't
have eyes, so they can't see.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, you know this about me. I don't have a
problem with the word moist What I do have I
take issue with erroneous moisture.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Erroneous.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I simply can't. I realized this shouldn't be the most
upsetting part of the story. But I think I've just
hit a wall and it's just.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
They're like, fuck the boiling water.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I'm done, said, Okay, so you brought me cannibalist and
then moisture.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well, I think I'm also going to fuck up your
world a little bit more because there's more of the story.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I mean, I assumed it wasn't over yet, so that's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When the Baba family was murdered tragically, this horrible situation, okay, backscabbing,
manipulative bullshit. Their ashes scattered to the wind, transforming into mosquitoes. Okay,
(23:32):
that I do believe, which is why mosquitoes bite and
suck your blood.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Honestly, that for me, that tracks, except they fell into
a pit full of boiling water, so why would they.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They trash ash? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Supernatural for serious, If you are a native speaker, if
you are someone who just has familiarity with the mythology.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
We have questions, with so many questions there was it
did say hot stones and boiling water, So I'm like,
maybe it was just hot stones and no water, and
they like or or it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Just kept going. They had like a roaring fire and
all of the water eventually just like evaporated off maybe
and then okay, wow, I'm really getting into this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I know, I'm very curious. I was very curious to
how the how the ash got into the sky from
from the water.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But down in the pit and it evaporated.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And all the ash evaporated into the clouds and then
it rained.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well right, but I'm saying there wouldn't be ash if
they were boiled to death.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I meant like, they're okay, so maybe ash isn't the word.
I'm thinking, Okay, So their bodies disintegrated in the water,
turned a sludge, the sledge was evaporated into the clouds
and then rained down little mosquitoes that I'm done. Oh anyway, sere.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
If those is good, I hate it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I hate all of it's bad.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's all bad. Oh and mosquitoes I forgot, So you
got cannibalism moisture and mosquitoes, and that's three strikes.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You are it was professed of no no time.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Honestly is it? Honestly? Is are there bees as well?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, there's no bees. But after the death of the
Baba family, the four sons went back to his house
and they're like, let's see if we can steal anything
from the poor Baba family that we just murdered.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, sure, yeah, they don't need their stuff anymore, so
I hate to see it go to waste.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So they go and they steal a mask of he
had a raven there, which was like a man eating
raven pet that he had.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, I think by virtue all ravens can be man
eating right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I know so too. They'll eacher if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Dead, right, how hard are they trying?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's why I brought my crow deck today.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Makes sense? Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They use the masks, these big old lake bird beak
masks in their ceremony to this day, the Hamatza ceremony.
So I'm gonna describe the ceremony to you. This was
like outlawed for a really long time, which thankfully it's
been brought in back, and it didn't actually get a
raise from history and people are still talking about it
and learning about it, and I'm gonna tell you about it. Yeah,
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and it is an initiation ceremony that has changed a
lot over time. Obviously, in the past, the initiate would
go into the woods for sometimes months, posessed months, and
be possessed by Baba Well an oxyway Okay, Well, if.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You're alone in the woods, I mean, yeah, that'll that'll
do things, that'll do things to you.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, you might get pass by the spirit of cannibal.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
The initiate would return to their village in a highly
erratic state, biting out and shouting ha ha ha, and
healers would have to catch him and calm him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And was he just angry? Did he need a snickers?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
He might have been angry. But they, I mean, they
say he was possessed by Bob a well Elexi bade
the cannibal, and so they would like kind of do
an exorcism on it. Basically, they said the healers would
calm him down, which I'm assuming is get the evil
spirit out of him.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, they got a cleanse the evil out of his
pricky Bobby.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And now obviously all of this is done symbolically, they
don't actually send someone out to the woods for months
to get possessed.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Oh wait, so that so that doesn't happen anymore. No, okay, okay,
that's fair. That's who has the PTO for that, I.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Know, right, And I think this is kind of why
it got outlawed, because they were seeing kind of part
of it and kind of getting part of the story
and they're like, these people are just getting possessed and
eating people, like what is going on? But no, they
weren't actually eating anybody. They didn't perform cannibalism in these ceremonies.
The ceremony was because their tribe defeated a monster. Like
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it's all about, yeah, them defeating this big bad monster
in the woods and like doing a celebration about it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Okay, So this is like the British Columbia First Nations
version of the Satanic panic kind of yeah the pearls right, like.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Look at them acting out and you know, talking about
cannibal like, we just don't understand. We're too white.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay. So literally, the only cannibalism is only so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Far monster that they defeat. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The mythological creature from the legend and the culture, and.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Which was basically explaining why mosquitoes exist.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, which that feels fair because honestly it makes sense.
I don't have a better explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I was also being kind of silly about like, oh,
they murdered this family of cannibalistic monsters. I was being
a little silly about that, Yeah, And I didn't I
kind of want to bring that up because I'm like, wait,
I don't want them to think I'm trying to bash
their what they're actually celebrating here in this very beautiful
ceremony with these beautiful bird masks and like carved hand
(29:42):
carved and other regalia and music and dances that just
celebrate this story from their history. So I just want
to put that out there. I wasn't like making fun
of them, are Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Get silly, like, yeah, you're like, this is I don't
know if you've ever heard of it? How you say sarcasm?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, I'm kind of. But then I'm also like I
have that thing in me that wants to root for
the thing everyone is scared of too, So I'm I'm
always trying to figure out like that guy and like, hey,
he has a wife and kids, like is he that bad? Well,
that's so, did bet cases mean nothing? I also had
(30:27):
a thought, is Baba wellonnaxiway actually a cannibal because he's
not human?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh my god. That has been bothering me so much
this whole time, because I was like, or are we
the same species?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Right? And I looked, I mean I looked up the
definition of cannibal and it says, you know, eating your
own kind. So I don't know, maybe they maybe they
had a different word that just doesn't quite translate into English. Yeah,
like not maybe they don't actually mean cannibal.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I don't know, but they could, yeah, Or maybe there's
some sort of a like you know Spider Man, well,
I mean he was Peter then, but you know when
he gets big origiz story, yes, origin story.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, but they do. I mean they call him like
a man eater and stuff. So I mean maybe they're
coming from the fact that there men and he's kind
of man like like he has man like mouthlson things,
a lot of man like mas.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So if we're going to put it back into like
Peter Parker terms, and I think we should because it's
it's a fun thought experiment. Right now, This is sort
of what I pictured when I had like a occupational
exposure in a dental office. I'm like, that's what's gonna
happen to me. I'm just going to be a guy
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with mouths.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
All over like radiation. No.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I mean like I wasn't exposed to like radio active
toxic goo or anything, just like other people's cooties.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So oh, okay, that's good. I was like kind of
worried about you for a second. I'm like, wait, you
were well, but radiation is in like X rays and stuff,
so that's not that weird exactly. Well, are you ready
to do some taro? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think I need like a ten second like headstar.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
On taro. Are you running?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Are you running from Baba?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Innoxiway so you can get to your father in time
to warn him so you can make a trap.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, he's a pretty long walk to Florida, so that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Okay, So I have shuffled a ton and then I'm
gonna put my mic down because I don't have a
mic stand. So Caitlin's gonna talk while I pick a card.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
So she's fanning out the deck very uh, I would
say dramatically. She's fingering it right now.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bob, I will not bo Wait is that still right?
I thought it was bock bok oh bo okay, So
I yes, I was saying baba. I meant bock bock
because I did find the first pronunciation I found, because
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it was a struggle before I found the videos. Uh,
they were saying baba which way.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Because I might say backs backs, but I wouldn't just
say based on the spelling.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
They sounded like they knew what they were talking about.
They said like, that's what the sound makes in this language.
So I was like, all right, you must be right.
And then I found someone actually saying it, So I
assume I'm going to go with the person who was
actually saying it, who I could tell was.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
From like a native speaker.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Sure, yes, so sorry, yes, let's see it right back
back wall anoxiway. I do realize too. I was saying
the baba family, I'm at the back black family when
I shortened it, because I think when I went through
and changed my pronunciations, I missed a couple. So sorry,
it's back back, not bob. We got just the imagery
(34:20):
of it. It is the seven of wands and it
is a bird up on a cliff. Interesting, Okay, it
reminded me of the pit of boiling water because they
got the bottom. There's like birds kind of there. Doesn't
look like they're falling into a pit, but they're kind but.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like, yeah, I mean you could interpret the image that way. Okay,
So that's interesting because I will say, just based on
just pure vibes, I would have expected maybe some swords, right,
some teeth vibe, maybe one of the major arcana, but
we got wands. Seven of Wands.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
The crow tries to defend his territory at the top
of the mountain. The approaching crows below are all too
eager to knock him down and take a spot. This
card is a reminder that although you've made it, you
must not be complacent, as there will be those who
believe your position should be theirs. The Seven of Wands
asked that you remain self confident and have courage when
(35:25):
facing challenges. It won't always be easy at the top,
but you've earned the right to be there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It was all about defeating a monster.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, have.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Courage facing the challenges. They had to like hide performing
their sacred like this was like one of the most
sacred ceremonies they have, and they it got outlawed, like
they could go to prison for performing it. Ugh, So
like they had to find a way to keep that
alive while it was outlawed and then like bring it
back to lifeater on so that their future ancestors could
(36:02):
still have it. I don't know what you call that, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, I mean your progeny, yeah yeah, yeah, God, white
people sung, what's wrong with us?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You guys?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, okay, So here's the thing is I say that
because it's funny, but uh, it's colonized and oppressors suck.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right Sometimes, I know we say that and we kind
of assume that you all know what we mean.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Just to clarify. Feels weird to start doing it now
at four years in.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But you know, I don't care them.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Love you guys, Caleb, you bite? Okay. So our keywords
are courage, fighting for what you believe in, and facing challenges,
which I feel like, do I even need to read
the rest?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, like the whole story of Baba bach Bach Walnoxe
and like the four Sons and the Chief.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Just saying feels like it's pretty on the notes. When
the Seven of Wand's appears in a reading, you may
need to stand up for yourself and fight for what
you believe in. Challenges confront you, but you possess the
resources to succeed.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
They did. They put all those obstacles in the way.
They built a trap.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, they had those fancy chairs that nobody could feel
the moisturizing up their bungholes. I think of this as
the don't give up card wow, which immediately I was like,
I give up because Cannibal is you can't.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You have to understand it. Then it's not so scary. Well,
the monster part's still scary. That's why they killed it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I feel like it's very representative of a lot of
things that feel very real right now. Yeah, you just
have to understand how to defeat the beast. When this
card appears, you may need to fend off competitors or
enemies to achieve your objective. Even if the challenges are formidable,
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you can overcome them. The seven encourages you to stay
strong and focus your will to win the struggle.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Wow. Yeah, like that literally keeps saying it, But that's
what that whole like initiation ceremony is.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
About I mean, it really is. Yeah. In a reading
about money, this card tells you to hold firm in
a financial manner, even if things appear difficult at present.
Avoid arguments about money or possessions. So maybe don't let
your dad over hear that thing about we are so
(38:51):
putting him at a home.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Right because he didn't mean it. He was just using
them as base.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, for suresease. Oh my god, you're going to absolutely
shit when I get to the extra excerpt.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think I'm eating my fingers right now. I'm cannibalizing myself.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'm so glad I could help. In a reading about work,
the Upright seven advises holding your ground. Try to keep
your spirits up and don't show weakness a wha. Keep
working diligently for what you want. Don't let other people
distract you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, don't. At the bock Bock family, they got distracted
by all the nice stories and the nice seating, and
they just got so cozy and they went right nine night.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
In a reading about love, this card recommends trying to
work things out with a partner instead of squabbling. Maybe
about your dinner plan.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Go get bring your wife the first time, and the
shit wouldn't happen. I don't know, maybe she'd probably be
smarter and be like, uh, yeah, eat right now, something's amiss.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It may seem easier to just give up, but if
you keep a positive attitude, you can resolve difficulties. Okay,
when you come to the end of your rope, tie
and not and hang.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
On, hang on. They should have had a rope to
pull them out of the boiling pit of water.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's an FDR quote. Ooh, front of the pod, Yeah,
front of the pod. Obviously. I just love that this
was all about like a cultural like story and like,
you know, the mythology, and not about actual cannibalism. Yeah,
(40:45):
because I've been in dinner yet and I wouldn't do
you that dirty you you guys. I am not kidding
when I say that she has been building this up
for at minimum a week, and she made it sound
like I was never gonna go to sleep or eat again,
and I wasn't sure which or why.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I mean, I am pretty one hundred percent sure that
you're gonna have a nightmare about mister teeth.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Man. Nah, the teeth don't really bother me as much
as you would think honestly, for some people. Listen, if
if if teeth are in any way for you uncomfortable,
maybe don't yeh, look up the the the visual.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Please look it up. Please go to the sources and
looking up.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's only uncomfortable when it's in like the context of
like this man eating beast. I think, yeah, I mean
it's still upsetting and troubling either way, I should clarify
it's it's upsetting looking, it's unsettling. But yeah, no, like
(41:56):
let's be clear. The no no for me here is
not that the real cannibal is yeah, yeah, no. The
teeth are like whatever I've seen. Listen, I've seen so
many teeth have so many things done to them, including
just yank and a mouth. You're not going to get
(42:17):
me that way.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
But that's just a lot of mouths. I mean, we
talked about it. All that moisture. You think he has
wisdom teeth walking humidifier, Yeah, I think so. That's all
I have for cannibals this time. Have ass Unless you're
(42:39):
off a cannibal, I don't know a vegan. I'm a
I'm a vegan cannibal. Is that a thing that can't
be a thing you know unless you're a plant. Oh, anyway,
should we say a because we're not really talking anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we should probably stop recording.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well, we have to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh fuck, we didn't say goodbye.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No, that's why we're still recording.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh Jesus, why I wish you wouldn't let me go
on about pineapple and semen like that.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What are you gonna know? What you know? A
He is also known by one other name, Cannibal at
the North end of the World.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy.
You got to give it a little pop. But I
like that. That's good. That's the one. Yeah, it's like,
be descriptive, but don't be like blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You know an either. You know, it could mean several
different things. Okay, Cannibal is very clear.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is true. I think you know. It's eloquent in
its brevity.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He could be going Nelly for tato in everyone's pass.
Oh hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi creepy people. Oh hi,
why are you scared? Caitlin? You don't know what's about
to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I don't, but you've been building it up for like
a week. I mean, at least spooky season is technically over,
but it never ends.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It never ends here, not on PNW Haunts and Homicides,
where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all
things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The limit does not exist or the.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
P and W. If you're nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
El she got it in there.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, we had to because this episode is fucking nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh okay, well nasty nasty all right, So now I
feel like I'm maybe getting a sense of things. Do
we say the thing about the tarot? Because we do
a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit
of deeper insight into our topic.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I wonder what we're going to get for this one.
It's it's so I'm so interested.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, I really like to know what tarot deck you're
planning to use.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Ah, well, I could give you a little spoily and
show you which one I'm gonna use.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The progress excellent.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, let's just get right into it. Okay, we're gonna
do one of Caitlin's no No topics today.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Great, I was hoping you would say that.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And I'm gonna start with a some lyrics from a
song from the Hammatzi Ceremony, which I'll explain what that
is if you don't know what that is in a
little bit too, all right. I went all around the
world to find some food. I don't know beat you guys.
So it's just I'm just reading it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I could do it. I could try to do it
like a rapper.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I went all around the Okay, yeah, I don't think
he should do that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Okay, I went all around the world to find some food.
I went all around the world to find human flesh. No,
I went all around the world to find human heads.
I went all around the world to find corpses. But imagine,
(03:01):
like not in English. Yeah, it probably sounds really really
cool and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So yeah, yeah, I'm glad you sang it in English
so that I wasn't like accidentally like boppin' like.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, Yeah, Well, I probably couldn't pronounce it any of
the words because it was really hard. Uh. It was
hard to find how to pronounce these words, uh that
I have to say anyway, so we're not gonna be
speaking a different language, okay, oh right. The most terrifying
story in the quah Quah key Walk folklore is of
(03:39):
back bach while a naxie way.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Sounds pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I'm gonna like spell it for you. Oh jeez,
b A x b A x w A l A
n U K s I w E.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That feels a little overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It does, but when you get it broken down for you,
back back while knocks the way, it's not too bad.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean, I'm glad that it didn't come up at
the sixth grade spelling babe, but right, because that would
pretty rough, intense.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's actually funny you mentioned that, because I found a
lot of the info for this in like a it's
a grade school curriculum really yeah, says it's meant for
grades four and five.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Okay, very specific.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Because this story is a little it's I mean, it's
a little rough. Yeah, so I wanted to find something
that kind of also not watered it down, but like
made it a little more tame. So like maybe you know,
we'll talk about the grade school version a little bit then, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right, I just maybe make it a little bit more palatable.
So I guess we're going to find out. Am I
smarter than a fifth grader? Am I more emotionally mature
than a fifth grader?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I feel like I I know the answers, but we'll
find out.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Would you like to know what baba well anoxieway translates
to na man eater at the North end of the World. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I had a feeling that it was gonna be something
that I wasn't going to be super psyched about.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But so I'm sending you the picture of him.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh boy, this is Nightmare Fuel.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No, this is Baba well a Knoxie.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Way listen as someone who's worked in a lot of
dental offices. That's not normal dentician. It's entirely too many teeth.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's a lot of teeth. Ah, a lot of mouths,
a lot of weirdly placed mouths.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Are you are you seeing where all the mouths are placed?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
They uh so, let's describe him a little bit. So
he's kind of they say, anthro I can't say the
word an anthrop thank you. There. We're just gonna leave
it with Caitlyn saying it anthropomorphic. So he kind of
does have a human appearance. He's got like, you know,
(06:14):
a torso, legs, head, mouths, arms, and nose and is
there any Yeah, I don't think he has ears or rise.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Doesn't look like it because all of them are mouths
where those should be.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So he's pretty horrifying, terrifying. Caitlyn did say it correctly
when she said Nightmare Fuel. Yeah, his entire body is
covered in mouths. His butt's of mouth, flower back is
a mouth. Yeah, his feet, his knees are a mouse
his knees. There's mouths placed randomly on his arms and
(06:53):
legs and shoulders. He has a mouth where mouths, mouths go.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, he does have that. He's also got like the
plague doctor sort of like I think, is that his nose.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's his nose. Yeah, and it's very like and it
does have a nostril so he can sniff you out.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It is quite sizable in terms of nostril size.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It does remind me of substance a little bit. The substance, yes,
the end of the If you guys haven't seen that,
go watch it and then look at beautiful Baba wallanoxy
way here. Oh right. Oh, and they also have him
(07:37):
kind of compared that little pink picture. Looks like they're
comparing him to a human. So he's a little bit bigger. Well,
he's a lot a bit bigger than a human, a
lot of bit bigger. Yeah, His nose is basically the
size of a human. They describe his mouth as gaping, snapping, bloody,
and his call is hap hap hap, which means eat
(08:00):
or something along those lines in that language. Oh and
the way I read hap haf hath was not as
a word. I read it as an anomonopoia like it. No,
I read it as like an automnopia sound like.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, I was making it yeppier.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, like a dog, I was.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I was trying to tone it down a little bit.
But yeah, yours makes yours makes more sense in the
light of the visual.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which is kind of funny speaking of dogs, because my
dog used to make this sound when she was like
being pissy and irritating a little shit to me, and
she would like talk back, and she would.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Go, well, maybe she's got a little.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Little cannibal in her. I mean, she did like to
lick and chew and nibble me, so maybe maybe she
wasn't nibbler. We talked about it. Yeah. Among a few
variations in the spelling, there are also a few variations
in the translation. He who first ate man at the
(09:03):
mouth of the river or he who first ate humans
on the water? Okay, the and this is a quote
the ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity. Eh,
but like that's poetic as fuck.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, but I mean it's kind of words like creepy
word salad.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity?
Is this, Like we're all just walking around with these
giant mouths, just wanting shit from everybody, just trying to
eat up everybody, just worried about ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, if you turn it into like a metaphor, sure,
I'm just saying, like, if you go down to the
base and it's like ever more perfect and we're talking
about a cannibalistic creature, yeah, not that feels those are
those are contradicting delios.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, my dude, things can be true. You've said it,
those two things can be true.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, I I don't that's a qualifier that I don't
know I've ever agreed to.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I think we should all just take that and
like as like a journal prompt and just like journal
about this for a little while, because I just I
want to know what everyone thinks, okay, or simply man eater.
He's a man. He is also known by one other name.
This is the name that actually really drew me to him,
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Cannibal at the North End of the World.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Listen, I I want things to be kind of neat
and tidy. You got to give it a little pop.
But I like that. That's good. That's the one. Yeah,
it's like be just but don't be like blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, an eater. You know, it could mean several
different things. Okay, cannibal is very clear.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is true. I think you know, it's eloquent in
its brevity.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
He could be going Nelly Fortado on everyone's ass. Oh so,
mister man's eater here is the villain of the Hamasa
or cannibal dance, which is the first most important and
infamous dances of the Seca ceremony. I probably didn't say
that totally correctly because it's like the k has a
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weird mouthfeel and I don't I don't get it right.
But yeah, seca like sequa or something.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, okay, No, that can be hard because like some
languages do have like this, and mouthfeel is exactly the
right word for it. It's like when you speak French
but you don't do the O you know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, yes, And it's like the qua quah k walk
has like a at the end of it that's supposed
to be like oh whoo.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you're like I'm treating I'm so close.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And oh my gosh. And I found a YouTube video
where actually someone was pronouncing all of the words. So
I was crying just so hard, and I'm like, you
say it so much better than me, and I just know, can.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You come on our podcast right? No, But it's like
it's very difficult to actually train your mouth to like
hit the syllables. Sometimes mouth words are hard. Mouthwords are hard. Hey,
you can do the research. You can do the research.
And sometimes in the moment the words that you say,
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it's like you don't hit quite the right like intonation
or pronunciation.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I hope I'm doing it right. I just refresh right
before this, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah. And here's the thing is, I think that everybody
knows you're taking the time, you are making the effort,
and I think that's the most important thing we do.
We do try to nail it whenever possible.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But you know, and if someone speaks this language, please
call show please, I will love to talk to you. Yeah,
though it would be so cool.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I love to I love to actually hear people in
their native you know language, and like hear how it's
supposed to be said and not you know, butchered by us.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah. I also have a lot of questions, like a
lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Canada outlawed the ceremony in eighteen eighty five because naturally
colonizers didn't understand it and found it too disturbing. Caitlin.
The cannibalism, Yeah, the cannibalism thing. Yeah, they kind of
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah. No, and biologically we're kind of supposed to not
We shouldn't do it, right, definitely probably shouldn't do it. No,
you definitely shouldn't. You definitely shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Like if you're trying, Hey, we're we don't. We we
don't judge, you know, the people.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We're not change, but we've sure survival is one thing
I would say with cultural traditions, we can respect that
that was the culture, but also understand that those are
things that can actually make people like fatally ill.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah. And I mean I'm not even talking about cultural
cannibalism or anything like that. I'm just talking about like,
you know, the Donner Pass or the Donner Party or whatever,
like people that just had to do it to survive.
But actually that is kind of a big misunderstanding with
this whole thing. And we'll go on and I'll explain
like what the ceremony is all about. So they did
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attempt to kind of erase it from history, and they
wanted them to you know, assimilate into their culture and
just kind of like erase their whole see past.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, Like if we're just trying to you know, make
people safe, that's one thing, right, But the rasure of
their culture, that's where it becomes like, yeah, it's giving colonization.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And then once I explain it too, I think you're
gonna be like, wait what They just truly didn't get it.
Oh no, this is the story behind the Hamatsa ceremony
and Baba wall An Oxyway, the villain of the story.
Four sons of a chief found the house of the
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man Eater Baba wall Anoxyway. Oh, and of course they
went inside. They checked it out.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's that part in the horror movie where they go
down into the basement, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Just yeah, Well, then once inside they realized that the
creatures in there were trying to eat them. You don't say,
like Baba wal Anoxyway was probably like did you not
see like the man eater sign like, yeah, you're in
my house, dude.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
My doormatt litterally, Lee says man eater turned back.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It kind of reminds me of like Hansel and Gretel, Yes,
where they find like the witch's house. Yeah, and then
she wants to eat them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. I mean it's kind of a it's a spin off.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did we like, did we cancel Hansel and Gretel? Probably not.
Did we outlaw that story? No? Well maybe I'm not
actually sure the history on that. We'll come back to it, okay. Anyway,
So they didn't want to get eight, so they ran,
and they got chased all the way home by Baba Wallonnoxieway,
but they didn't make some obstacles along the way to
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slow him down. So they made it home in time
to warn their father, the chief. By the way, he
was the chief. I don't know if you've heard of it,
the four sons of the Chief princes right, there'd be princes.
I don't know what chief sons are actually called, but
in my mind they're like spoiled little princes. Yeah. I
could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't know what their title would be. Yeah, instance,
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Someone let us know. They made it home in time
to warn their father of what was like just coming
right behind them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They're like, everybody should go.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So we brought this guy. We brought this guy here
to the village.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Daddy, we fucked up.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
We don't fucked up. The Chief greets the cannibal very
politely and is like, hey, you want to kill my kids,
Like that's fine, but you should go back and like
bring your wife and son with you so you can
all just have a feast. Oh. In the fourth and
(17:40):
fifth grade version, it kind of just says, you know that,
he nicely just told them, Hey, go back and get
your wife and kid and come back. He didn't mention
anything about like you can have my sons. They're like
worthless anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't know, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
In another version of the story I found, but I
thought that was really funny. That's when I'm getting like
the spoiled prince vibe.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I will say, I think I'm picturing the reaction
of the spoiled princes and I'm just I'm hearing them.
We are so putting him in a home, like you
know what I mean, Like, Dad, that is so much job.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Seriously, But I think he was just kind of like
trying to pull one over on Baba. Oh yeah, I
don't know why he listened to the chief. He's like,
oh yeah, Okay, my family, kiddy, let's go get the
wife and kids. Probably get a bitch about dinner if
I if I eat without her.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So honestly, that's thoughtful of you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can you imagine a little baby baba.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I can't know, it would still be bigger than me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
When he returns with his family, the chief invited him
to sit on this pew, a full new throne, like
not a throne, but like it's just a nice seat,
like a guest yeah seat, you know, Okay, it's not
like here's my throne. You can be cheap or anything,
just like a nice seat for him to sit in.
It's like this because like a place of honor. Right,
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And they're big, so I assume they don't need they
don't want like a normal human sized chair. They probably
want like a big chair, right.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Ye that feels fair. Yeah, that's how I feel when
I get on an airplane. I don't want this normal
human sized chair.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I want first class size. So they built him a
first class sized plane seat. No, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And they're all having kind of a good time telling stories.
It was like, hey, since you're here, we'll tell you
a bunch of stories from our history and our peoples
love it, and you can just chill and we'll entertain you.
And then eventually the guests fall asleep. You know, I
don't know if they were having drinkies. They didn't really,
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it wasn't really clear in here. But the Baba's all
fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, I was I was gonna say the guests as
in the man Eats. Yes, the man Eaters great, just
needed to be real. The cannibals at the north end
of the world, at the North Pole. Cannibals at the
North Pole from.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Sam excellent, they're the lamb wreeze. As they slept the
four sons, who was the bait? Basically to get them
to come back here, they pulled apart the chairs which
were built specifically for the Baba family, and underneath the
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chairs was a huge pit of boiling water.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh no, So.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
When they pulled the chairs right out from one of
their booties, they're sleeping little booties where they thought they
were safe. They were having a good time party, they
were going to eat. They were gonna have a great meal.
But they ended up in a boiling pit of water
and they died. The whole family taken out in one night.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That is tragic. It's like the Red Wedding all over again.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's what it totally reminded me of. Like, Hey, come over,
we're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Hey, you want to hang out in our kingdom?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Jokes on you, your dad.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, So just a couple of thoughts. Notes, how how
is it that you can position a ginormous chair over
a pit of boiling water and no one notices, because
I number one would have a very obvious sign atop
my head that something in the atmosphere was changing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Right, Yeah, but I don't think the babas have hair.
They look hairless to me. So, I mean the.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Butt mouths getting a little moist.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Maybe it was a really deep pit. I don't know,
but they that it's like part of the reason they
wanted to get them out of there, because like they're like,
we need to come up with a plane to kill
these guys. For sure, build this pit while they're gone.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Excellent, excellent work in what I have to assume was
a very quick turnaround.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And you know what, they're probably pretty moist because of
all of those mounts. Eh, they're walking humidifiers anyway, so
they just couldn't tell no, I can't, and they don't
have eyes, so they can't see.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, you know this about me. I don't have a
problem with the word moist What I do have I
take issue with erroneous moisture.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Erroneous.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I simply can't. I realized this shouldn't be the most
upsetting part of the story. But I think I've just
hit a wall and it's just.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
They're like, fuck the boiling water.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I'm done, said, Okay, so you brought me cannibalist and
then moisture.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well, I think I'm also going to fuck up your
world a little bit more because there's more of the story.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I mean, I assumed it wasn't over yet, so that's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When the Baba family was murdered tragically, this horrible situation, okay, backscabbing,
manipulative bullshit. Their ashes scattered to the wind, transforming into mosquitoes. Okay,
(23:32):
that I do believe, which is why mosquitoes bite and
suck your blood.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Honestly, that for me, that tracks, except they fell into
a pit full of boiling water, so why would they.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They trash ash? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Supernatural for serious, If you are a native speaker, if
you are someone who just has familiarity with the mythology.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
We have questions, with so many questions there was it
did say hot stones and boiling water, So I'm like,
maybe it was just hot stones and no water, and
they like or or it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Just kept going. They had like a roaring fire and
all of the water eventually just like evaporated off maybe
and then okay, wow, I'm really getting into this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I know, I'm very curious. I was very curious to
how the how the ash got into the sky from
from the water.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But down in the pit and it evaporated.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And all the ash evaporated into the clouds and then
it rained.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well right, but I'm saying there wouldn't be ash if
they were boiled to death.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I meant like, they're okay, so maybe ash isn't the word.
I'm thinking, Okay, So their bodies disintegrated in the water,
turned a sludge, the sledge was evaporated into the clouds
and then rained down little mosquitoes that I'm done. Oh anyway, sere.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
If those is good, I hate it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I hate all of it's bad.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's all bad. Oh and mosquitoes I forgot, So you
got cannibalism moisture and mosquitoes, and that's three strikes.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You are it was professed of no no time.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Honestly is it? Honestly? Is are there bees as well?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, there's no bees. But after the death of the
Baba family, the four sons went back to his house
and they're like, let's see if we can steal anything
from the poor Baba family that we just murdered.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, sure, yeah, they don't need their stuff anymore, so
I hate to see it go to waste.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So they go and they steal a mask of he
had a raven there, which was like a man eating
raven pet that he had.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, I think by virtue all ravens can be man
eating right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I know so too. They'll eacher if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Dead, right, how hard are they trying?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's why I brought my crow deck today.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Makes sense? Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They use the masks, these big old lake bird beak
masks in their ceremony to this day, the Hamatza ceremony.
So I'm gonna describe the ceremony to you. This was
like outlawed for a really long time, which thankfully it's
been brought in back, and it didn't actually get a
raise from history and people are still talking about it
and learning about it, and I'm gonna tell you about it. Yeah,
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and it is an initiation ceremony that has changed a
lot over time. Obviously, in the past, the initiate would
go into the woods for sometimes months, posessed months, and
be possessed by Baba Well an oxyway Okay, Well, if.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You're alone in the woods, I mean, yeah, that'll that'll
do things, that'll do things to you.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, you might get pass by the spirit of cannibal.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
The initiate would return to their village in a highly
erratic state, biting out and shouting ha ha ha, and
healers would have to catch him and calm him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And was he just angry? Did he need a snickers?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
He might have been angry. But they, I mean, they
say he was possessed by Bob a well Elexi bade
the cannibal, and so they would like kind of do
an exorcism on it. Basically, they said the healers would
calm him down, which I'm assuming is get the evil
spirit out of him.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, they got a cleanse the evil out of his
pricky Bobby.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And now obviously all of this is done symbolically, they
don't actually send someone out to the woods for months
to get possessed.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Oh wait, so that so that doesn't happen anymore. No, okay, okay,
that's fair. That's who has the PTO for that, I.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Know, right, And I think this is kind of why
it got outlawed, because they were seeing kind of part
of it and kind of getting part of the story
and they're like, these people are just getting possessed and
eating people, like what is going on? But no, they
weren't actually eating anybody. They didn't perform cannibalism in these ceremonies.
The ceremony was because their tribe defeated a monster. Like
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it's all about, yeah, them defeating this big bad monster
in the woods and like doing a celebration about it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Okay, So this is like the British Columbia First Nations
version of the Satanic panic kind of yeah the pearls right, like.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Look at them acting out and you know, talking about
cannibal like, we just don't understand. We're too white.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay. So literally, the only cannibalism is only so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Far monster that they defeat. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The mythological creature from the legend and the culture, and.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Which was basically explaining why mosquitoes exist.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, which that feels fair because honestly it makes sense.
I don't have a better explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I was also being kind of silly about like, oh,
they murdered this family of cannibalistic monsters. I was being
a little silly about that, Yeah, And I didn't I
kind of want to bring that up because I'm like, wait,
I don't want them to think I'm trying to bash
their what they're actually celebrating here in this very beautiful
ceremony with these beautiful bird masks and like carved hand
(29:42):
carved and other regalia and music and dances that just
celebrate this story from their history. So I just want
to put that out there. I wasn't like making fun
of them, are Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Get silly, like, yeah, you're like, this is I don't
know if you've ever heard of it? How you say sarcasm?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, I'm kind of. But then I'm also like I
have that thing in me that wants to root for
the thing everyone is scared of too, So I'm I'm
always trying to figure out like that guy and like, hey,
he has a wife and kids, like is he that bad? Well,
that's so, did bet cases mean nothing? I also had
(30:27):
a thought, is Baba wellonnaxiway actually a cannibal because he's
not human?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh my god. That has been bothering me so much
this whole time, because I was like, or are we
the same species?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Right? And I looked, I mean I looked up the
definition of cannibal and it says, you know, eating your
own kind. So I don't know, maybe they maybe they
had a different word that just doesn't quite translate into English. Yeah,
like not maybe they don't actually mean cannibal.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I don't know, but they could, yeah, Or maybe there's
some sort of a like you know Spider Man, well,
I mean he was Peter then, but you know when
he gets big origiz story, yes, origin story.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, but they do. I mean they call him like
a man eater and stuff. So I mean maybe they're
coming from the fact that there men and he's kind
of man like like he has man like mouthlson things,
a lot of man like mas.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So if we're going to put it back into like
Peter Parker terms, and I think we should because it's
it's a fun thought experiment. Right now, This is sort
of what I pictured when I had like a occupational
exposure in a dental office. I'm like, that's what's gonna
happen to me. I'm just going to be a guy
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with mouths.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
All over like radiation. No.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I mean like I wasn't exposed to like radio active
toxic goo or anything, just like other people's cooties.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So oh, okay, that's good. I was like kind of
worried about you for a second. I'm like, wait, you
were well, but radiation is in like X rays and stuff,
so that's not that weird exactly. Well, are you ready
to do some taro? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think I need like a ten second like headstar.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
On taro. Are you running?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Are you running from Baba?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Innoxiway so you can get to your father in time
to warn him so you can make a trap.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, he's a pretty long walk to Florida, so that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Okay, So I have shuffled a ton and then I'm
gonna put my mic down because I don't have a
mic stand. So Caitlin's gonna talk while I pick a card.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
So she's fanning out the deck very uh, I would
say dramatically. She's fingering it right now.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bob, I will not bo Wait is that still right?
I thought it was bock bok oh bo okay, So
I yes, I was saying baba. I meant bock bock
because I did find the first pronunciation I found, because
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it was a struggle before I found the videos. Uh,
they were saying baba which way.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Because I might say backs backs, but I wouldn't just
say based on the spelling.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
They sounded like they knew what they were talking about.
They said like, that's what the sound makes in this language.
So I was like, all right, you must be right.
And then I found someone actually saying it, So I
assume I'm going to go with the person who was
actually saying it, who I could tell was.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
From like a native speaker.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Sure, yes, so sorry, yes, let's see it right back
back wall anoxiway. I do realize too. I was saying
the baba family, I'm at the back black family when
I shortened it, because I think when I went through
and changed my pronunciations, I missed a couple. So sorry,
it's back back, not bob. We got just the imagery
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of it. It is the seven of wands and it
is a bird up on a cliff. Interesting, Okay, it
reminded me of the pit of boiling water because they
got the bottom. There's like birds kind of there. Doesn't
look like they're falling into a pit, but they're kind but.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like, yeah, I mean you could interpret the image that way. Okay,
So that's interesting because I will say, just based on
just pure vibes, I would have expected maybe some swords, right,
some teeth vibe, maybe one of the major arcana, but
we got wands. Seven of Wands.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
The crow tries to defend his territory at the top
of the mountain. The approaching crows below are all too
eager to knock him down and take a spot. This
card is a reminder that although you've made it, you
must not be complacent, as there will be those who
believe your position should be theirs. The Seven of Wands
asked that you remain self confident and have courage when
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facing challenges. It won't always be easy at the top,
but you've earned the right to be there.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It was all about defeating a monster.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, have.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Courage facing the challenges. They had to like hide performing
their sacred like this was like one of the most
sacred ceremonies they have, and they it got outlawed, like
they could go to prison for performing it. Ugh, So
like they had to find a way to keep that
alive while it was outlawed and then like bring it
back to lifeater on so that their future ancestors could
(36:02):
still have it. I don't know what you call that, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, I mean your progeny, yeah yeah, yeah, God, white
people sung, what's wrong with us?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You guys?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, okay, So here's the thing is I say that
because it's funny, but uh, it's colonized and oppressors suck.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right Sometimes, I know we say that and we kind
of assume that you all know what we mean.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Just to clarify. Feels weird to start doing it now
at four years in.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But you know, I don't care them.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Love you guys, Caleb, you bite? Okay. So our keywords
are courage, fighting for what you believe in, and facing challenges,
which I feel like, do I even need to read
the rest?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, like the whole story of Baba bach Bach Walnoxe
and like the four Sons and the Chief.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Just saying feels like it's pretty on the notes. When
the Seven of Wand's appears in a reading, you may
need to stand up for yourself and fight for what
you believe in. Challenges confront you, but you possess the
resources to succeed.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
They did. They put all those obstacles in the way.
They built a trap.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, they had those fancy chairs that nobody could feel
the moisturizing up their bungholes. I think of this as
the don't give up card wow, which immediately I was like,
I give up because Cannibal is you can't.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
You have to understand it. Then it's not so scary. Well,
the monster part's still scary. That's why they killed it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I feel like it's very representative of a lot of
things that feel very real right now. Yeah, you just
have to understand how to defeat the beast. When this
card appears, you may need to fend off competitors or
enemies to achieve your objective. Even if the challenges are formidable,
(38:16):
you can overcome them. The seven encourages you to stay
strong and focus your will to win the struggle.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Wow. Yeah, like that literally keeps saying it, But that's
what that whole like initiation ceremony is.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
About I mean, it really is. Yeah. In a reading
about money, this card tells you to hold firm in
a financial manner, even if things appear difficult at present.
Avoid arguments about money or possessions. So maybe don't let
your dad over hear that thing about we are so
(38:51):
putting him at a home.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Right because he didn't mean it. He was just using
them as base.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, for suresease. Oh my god, you're going to absolutely
shit when I get to the extra excerpt.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think I'm eating my fingers right now. I'm cannibalizing myself.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'm so glad I could help. In a reading about work,
the Upright seven advises holding your ground. Try to keep
your spirits up and don't show weakness a wha. Keep
working diligently for what you want. Don't let other people
distract you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, don't. At the bock Bock family, they got distracted
by all the nice stories and the nice seating, and
they just got so cozy and they went right nine night.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
In a reading about love, this card recommends trying to
work things out with a partner instead of squabbling. Maybe
about your dinner plan.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Go get bring your wife the first time, and the
shit wouldn't happen. I don't know, maybe she'd probably be
smarter and be like, uh, yeah, eat right now, something's amiss.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It may seem easier to just give up, but if
you keep a positive attitude, you can resolve difficulties. Okay,
when you come to the end of your rope, tie
and not and hang.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
On, hang on. They should have had a rope to
pull them out of the boiling pit of water.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's an FDR quote. Ooh, front of the pod, Yeah,
front of the pod. Obviously. I just love that this
was all about like a cultural like story and like,
you know, the mythology, and not about actual cannibalism. Yeah,
(40:45):
because I've been in dinner yet and I wouldn't do
you that dirty you you guys. I am not kidding
when I say that she has been building this up
for at minimum a week, and she made it sound
like I was never gonna go to sleep or eat again,
and I wasn't sure which or why.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I mean, I am pretty one hundred percent sure that
you're gonna have a nightmare about mister teeth.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Man. Nah, the teeth don't really bother me as much
as you would think honestly, for some people. Listen, if
if if teeth are in any way for you uncomfortable,
maybe don't yeh, look up the the the visual.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Please look it up. Please go to the sources and
looking up.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's only uncomfortable when it's in like the context of
like this man eating beast. I think, yeah, I mean
it's still upsetting and troubling either way, I should clarify
it's it's upsetting looking, it's unsettling. But yeah, no, like
(41:56):
let's be clear. The no no for me here is
not that the real cannibal is yeah, yeah, no. The
teeth are like whatever I've seen. Listen, I've seen so
many teeth have so many things done to them, including
just yank and a mouth. You're not going to get
(42:17):
me that way.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
But that's just a lot of mouths. I mean, we
talked about it. All that moisture. You think he has
wisdom teeth walking humidifier, Yeah, I think so. That's all
I have for cannibals this time. Have ass Unless you're
(42:39):
off a cannibal, I don't know a vegan. I'm a
I'm a vegan cannibal. Is that a thing that can't
be a thing you know unless you're a plant. Oh, anyway,
should we say a because we're not really talking anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we should probably stop recording.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well, we have to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh fuck, we didn't say goodbye.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No, that's why we're still recording.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh Jesus, why I wish you wouldn't let me go
on about pineapple and semen like that.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What are you gonna know? What you know? A
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