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I think we'll just let this one speak for itself. I really can't come up with a way to write up "show notes" for this one but this was hilarious and so much fun. Cassie's faces were priceless. Without further ado - feast your creepy little ear holes on this bizarre old timey time capsule. Don't ever let a Boomer convince you that the good old days were a simpler, more wholesome time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And talk about loggers and cork boots. From that time
backwards through the thirties and twenties, this country here was
not quite so civilized as it is now. You are
not fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You'll never be ready. I'm holding my butt.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Turn that thing off for a minute, and I'll tell
you the rest of it to see if you want
to record it. He says to the interviewer, what your
voice sounds even more rich and creamy than normal? Rich
and creamy, rich and creamy. Oh boy, all right, well
(00:42):
I'm you know what, never mind, I was gonna say.
I can't wait to hear whether the Patreon thinks that
my voice sounds richer and creamier.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But please don't tell me, Please don't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hi Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, creepy people, Hi Patreon, creepy people.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh yeah, she did it, She did it right.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Do you guys hear my voice shake because I'm waving
so hard on my body.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
She's wig going.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I always have to wave. I feel like it just
sends good energy to you guys. Us I think so
I felt it good. I mean, I'm in the same room.
But you know, Okay, yeah, what are we doing? Do
you remember when we talked about the clairvoyant tarot reader
(01:44):
that was like three days ago. Yeah, it's pretty recently,
so I was kind of hoping you'd say, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That was like one of my favorite episodes now I know. Yeah,
you were the second person to send him my way.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh yeah, we talked all about it in the episode.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Do you remember though? I told you that?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And I wanted to warn the Patreon too, don't go
rummaging through the paste bin to look through all of
the source material yet, because I really wanted everyone to
have this experience of me reading a portion of one
of the transcripts to you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I remember, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
And I had a strong visual of all the creepy
people digging through trash cans.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's a paste bin, not a trash bin.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This has been been Yeah, okay, miss you sound like
y'all London done.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Waste bind pastebin. Oh very easy to I see what
you did there.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So this is actually an interview that was conducted by
someone that I wasn't going to look that deep.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's on the Pacific University Library in their archives.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Ok And this was typed up on a typewriter.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Ooh cute.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, and you can tell because of the fond and
also because of the tiny little corrections that they hand
penned in.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh my god, cute, it's really cute.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We might have to post a picture of some of
the funny little corrections that they put in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The following oral history interview is with Ralph W. Rains,
a longtime resident of Washington County who has grown up
around the lumber industry for his entire life. The entire
interview is over three hours in length, in which time
a great many topics are discussed or touched upon. And
(03:48):
Cassie just got a look on her face that was like,
holy shit, is she reading me a three hour interview?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I hope. So I'm gonna close my eyes. I bang
over my eyes and taken oap, you go for it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, it's not the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And there's a there's a particular part that I really
wanted to share with you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay. I love the oral interviews. Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The conversation generally follows a chronological order, beginning with his
grandparents coming across the plains and eventually settling an Oregon.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So this is literally like his origin story.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Ooh, his Oregon origin story. Oh, I see what you
did there? I liked it. Thanks, Yeah, Ralph's father WALDO
where is where? That was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
That was my favorite joke I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, thankfully, I was there to be just completely
oblivious to like the most obvious dad joke, and it
was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I just it just sailed right overhead.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, perfect, perfect delivery. I know it was. It
was remarkable. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The story is spiced.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Along the way with logging anecdotes, hilariously funny stories, and
personal experiences that loggers men of the woods who are famous.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
For I love a man of the woods.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
The interview is a valuable resource tool in the respect
that it covers the logging industry and its different aspects,
from the small lumber mill to the more mechanized and
efficient operations to the new field of tree farming, all
told in a human personal way. The user is encouraged
(05:52):
to listen to the tapes and read the transcript for
maximum benefit and enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh did you listen and read? Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, I didn't come across the recording. I'm sure I
probably could have figured out a way to find it,
but I didn't. The interview takes place on February twenty seventh,
nineteen seventy eight, at mister Rains's home up in the
mountains outside of the town of Cherry Grove.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know it's the whole sun. Is Cherry Grove still
a town?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I have no idea how we should find out?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Me let me google map sit real quick.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Is it Oregon?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Uh yes, I think so. It sounds familiar. If it's
not then unincorporated community. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say,
I think it's in like a rural part of like
the Gaston area maybe, which already Gaston is even now
still pretty rural.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, Roald Jahreer, I have to do it every time.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Look at that so cute kind of close to Forrest Grove,
Well not that close, but it's like on this map
right here Forrest Groves.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Everything is really far from Forrest Grove, so like if
you're like less than three hours away, it's like, oh, look, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Kind of close.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, So, Ralph said, I receive Christmas cards and sometimes
visits from fellows that worked for me in the past,
and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That means a lot to me. That's real value in
my life.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, I know he's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I know that's Ralph's senior. When fellows come to work
for me, the set of instructions was. I assumed it
already when he'd come to work, he'd already been screened,
and I knew he knew his job. I tell him that. Here,
the name of the game is get logs. Get those lags.
(08:00):
If that's the name of that, that's the name of Maggie. Now,
if you don't think you can stand up and hold
up with the rest of the crew, we don't cut
the pay here. You'll just have to quit. It's get
logs and get logs safely. If you can't do that,
we don't like to make widows here.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Oh seriously, we just talked about a lumberjack with a
tree falling on him, got a treat, he got a
tree falling on him. I'll try you fallen. That's not
how you speak English, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, that's how some people do when they feel like it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, we'll go with I did that on purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, it was folksy. We're not widow makers here. Get
logs and get logs they did one summer. We averaged
nineteen hundred board feet per man per day all summer long,
which seems like a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't really have a I want to comparison right now.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I know, Well, too bad, because that's not even the
main point of this.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Well.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I like that he calls them fellows. I know, it's
like cut.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That was well over double the production of the average
in the state that year, which was about nine hundred
and thirty six board feet per man per day. So
I mean, I guess that's kind of a measuring stick, right,
Like that tells you nine hundred and thirty nine hundred
(09:30):
and thirty six versus their nineteen hundred. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
that's pretty more than double. See it took a little
while for you, Yeah, to go in my brain. I
find that with numbers, I like I need to see it. Yeah,
a lot of times I'm just more visual.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That, right, with visualizers. You writing it on a chalkboard. Yeah, yeah,
that's hilarious. Yeah, our brains are the same.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You were wearing glasses and everything.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Aw oh wow, okay, well, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, but we had a show. I want to tell you.
You just wouldn't believe it, which is like just so
fucking wholesome and folksy.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I can hear it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wouldn't believe it. Yeah, it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's so cute. Grandpa, tell me more story.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, okay, and then well you'll see and talk about
loggers and cork boots. From that time backwards through the
thirties and twenties, this country here was not quite so
civilized as it is now.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Saturday night dances.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The fellows would all get in from the woods, the
Saturday night dances at Shady Side Dance Hall and out
to Balm Grove, the wild affairs.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh my goodness. Oh it was a pop in town. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
If those went on today, the state police and the
National Guard and every other thing would be out here,
the FBI to round up the moonshiners, quell the rioting. Damn,
you wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't I.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Fully believe it. I want to go to this party.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Finally, she's like, so you're telling me there's lumberjacks at
a party. Lumberjackson, moonshine, that's all you need. We always
used to speculate. I remember when I was a teenager.
We always used to several of us would get together
and say, where are we going tonight?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Where are we going to have the biggest Donnie Brook tonight?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What the Donnie Brook?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna actually look it up because I'm like,
I kind of have like a cursory.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Also, by teenagers, they mean they were twenty one, right
or was it eighteen?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well he's well, he's talking about like it doesn't matter
because like in some of this time period alcohol wasn't
legal at all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's why you're saying the moonshiners, because that's where moonshine
comes from.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Doyle. Yeah, why would why would the FBI be involved?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, I mean, I guess like it could be that wild.
I don't know, so Donny Brook. A scene of uproar
and disorder, a heated argument, which actually I'm glad I
read that because just hold that for a second.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, wait, can you read it one more time? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
A scene of uproar and disorder, a heated argument. Okay,
was it going to be Balm Grove or was it
going to be Shady Side? I remember it Shady Side.
Why loggers a lot of times on Saturdays. Why they'd
be in from the woods. Maybe they didn't even have
their cork boots changed yet, but they always had to
stop and wet their whistle at the tavern.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What their whistle? What their whistle?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Sometimes they would show up with their logging clothes on
and maybe just their slippers, their slippers. They called them
dancing slippers at all. You know, I'm just not well
enough informed about the footwear of lumberjacks in the early
nineteen hundreds, but I can look into it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'm gonna need you to.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I can't picture a lumberjack dancing and ugg slippers.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's exactly what I would picture with the fur like
these ones right up here. Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
If they didn't have their dancing slippers, why sometimes they
were there in.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Their corks cork boots. I don't with the cork boots.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of stuff in here
that's real old timy man. I mean, I just think,
you know, working boots, like yeah, I think so. I'm
just picturing somebody in like the cerel boots, you know,
like the like real currel boots, like the work working,
not like the cute like, yeah, for the Saturday night
(14:25):
dance when the fight started, why you would always run
over to the side and stand up on the benches
so as you could get a better view. And it
says in parentheses laughs, a better view of what of
the fight? Oh oh okay, Sorry, that was a dumb quest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I know you're like, wait what. I know, there's a
lot going on here.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's a lot to absorb, but I feel like the
payoff here and it's not far off.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I could tell you about some of those fights.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Sometimes it got to be six or seven of them
going at it at the same time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Was this fight club? It's like it he's not supposed
to talk about I was supposed to talk about fight club.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I remember one time at Shady Side Dance Hall they
had one brawl. Shady Side was built right on the
side of Gales Creek or Scoggin's Creek rather, because it's
very important that you know which creek. Yeah, obviously the
creek Creek right on the edge of Scoggin's Creek, right
(15:28):
exactly where the old TV Highway no way uh huh
goes over the Scoggins Creek right there. It has now
fell down with the snow about ten to twelve years
ago something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I guess that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Oh but anyhow, this door on the side of the
building was always nailed shut. The loggers all got in
a fight there one night, and they picked up one
guy and threw him right through the door. Damn, that
takes a lot of force, I feel like, and went
out the door and went right over the bank and
right into the creek.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Wait, there was a door just to the edge. I guess. So.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, it's interesting, very strange.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Ooh, I wonder if they like used to drop off
shady shit there from the Probably you can be like
they were canoeing down the creek and dropping off shady shit.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
You would be an excellent criminal mind. I would be
criminal mastermind. Yeah, there are some stories I could tell you.
And boy does he like I feel like he is. Yeah,
he's spilling all of the tea. Okay, do you have
your tea ready? No?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I spilled it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah that's correct. Yeah, yeah, stories, good God. Even the
girls used to get into it, damn, pulling.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Hair, well, scratch and that thought too.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
One night we were out there at Balm Grove and
two girls got into some kind of a scrap. I
don't know what it was over. Anyhow, the fight was
on and outside they went right in front of the
doorstep of Balm Grove Dance Hall. Out there there was
a heck of a big mud puddle, and the damned
(17:26):
mud puddle I don't know. It seemed to me like
it was maybe ten to twelve feet across, maybe four
to six inches deep something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Wow, that's a pond it is.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, Oh good lord, I think if you guys haven't
figured out where this is going. The girls got to
scrapping it out right in the middle of that mud puddle.
One of them got the other one down in the
middle of that puddle, her dress clear up over her head,
got almighty no pants on in parentheses life, Oh.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
My gosh, was this the first mud wrestling competition?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is this the origin story we've triangulated patient zero?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh my god, hold my moonshine, and I gotta mud
wrestle this bitch.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't know why we have Southern ext in cemt.
I don't because it seems like such a Southern thing.
I guess I don't know. Ye Listen, I'm kind of
getting a weird visual where it's like she's taken off
her earrings, but they're like these gorgeous like Art deco earrings,
and it's very confusing.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The imagery is confusing. Yeah, where do panties go? That's
what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I mean, maybe that's why the other girl was fighting her,
because she's like run around and no panties, trying to
get her man's.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, well, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap this up.
You're not you are not ready, Okay, you are not
fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys, You'll never
be ready. I'm holding my butt this. I can't turn
that thing off for a minute. And I'll tell you
(19:13):
the rest of it to see if you want to
record it. He says to the interviewer.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
What, oh my gosh, one of these girls.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't remember who the girls were. By god, she
just reached right down and grabbed a hold of her
hair right between her crotch and just stretch that thing
something terrible. The one picked the other up and threw
her over her shoulder, and almighty, I'm telling the truth.
(19:53):
End of tape two. Side to s she grabbed her
by her beaver bush.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
This is all, you know, more proof that you just
need to be waxing otherwise to get a fight.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's something that should be grabbed. Okay, So here's the thing.
When I first read this, I thought he was saying
that the girl whose dress had been pulled up. I
thought he was saying she was grabbing her beaver bus,
oh her own. But I think, yeah, the other way
(20:34):
makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
God, that must have been a really big bush holy.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Shit to be able to grab on. I mean that
she might've been grabbing onto some other things too. Oh
oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So people just been wallin since before Willin was wollin.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You know, no cap Oh my god, did.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I tell you what my wax lady said about I
got a wax while it was snowy. No, so there
was only a few people that braved the snowy conditions
to go get their wax, because, let me tell you,
you don't want to miss one if you don't if
you miss one. And she called us the tundra beavers. Oh,
(21:40):
because we braved the tundra.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well obviously this this was meant to be.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I just can't because it starts out so wholesome, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Grandpa, tell me more stories about logging.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Grandpa, No, wow, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I mean. And here's the thing. When you asked
are we going to do a tiro reading? I thought
to myself, like, oh boy, what if we get a
beaver exactly? That would be the greatest thing ever. You
should we should still do it? I think, Okay, are
(22:29):
you done?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Is that the end? That's the end, There's no more. Listen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
This is one ancient man who was too embarrassed to
even just keep going in the story.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
On the recording without checking with his So cute, I.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know it is.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It is nice I have a man to like think
about that because you know, do locker room talking. So yeah,
I don't know, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Tubes.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He didn't say beaber, right, I said beaver. Yeah, he
definitely wasn't talking.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Pretty sure he's only referring to the the animal if
he's ever said beaver.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He didn't even say bush, No, he didn't. Do you
think he would be.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Friends with Beaver's because they they both kind of do
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Logging, Like, you know, did you just ask me that?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I went to split the deck and oh is that
it's not beaver but it's a chip bunt.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I was like, would chuck? Yeah, I could chuck. What Oh,
you might be right? What stop it? What is it?
It's the page of Pinnacles. Okay, So tell him what
happened while I look this up. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So I went to split the tarot deck so I
could shuffle and we could just do a quick little
just for funzies tiro reading. And as I split the
deck and I went to shuffle, I realized that the
two ends of the deck, one of the cards was
page of Pentacles, which looks like kind of like a
(24:14):
woodchuck or a chipmunk.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Type townshend, chipmunk, keep that up, I feel like, okay, diligent, dependable, ambition, planning,
building new skills, starting an investment, planting a seed like
I feel like we were supposed to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Get that one too.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Building building, it says, building a new building, new skills.
Oh like, when you grab your slaps, let me read
this short while she's shuffling.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'm going to read the little story in the little book.
Just one more, he thought, setting out on another excursion.
Move quietly, don't attract attention, stay in the brush too.
Oh my god, stay in the brushed to avoid the
red hawk.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Stands.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I can't read that again. Okay, stand the bush to
avoid the red hawk. Pray the weasels not around. Spot
the oak from the top of the rise, the blackberries
just below it, towards the water.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Grab some Oh my god, Cassie.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Grab some thistle seeds on the way out or I
can't even talk. Okay, grab some thistle seeds on the
way back. Stash them safely, sigh and relief, survive or
survey the horde just one more so. It's like a
little chipmunk grabbing seeds and like storing them away.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Belus. Really funny, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just went to shuffle again and then there was
all the hat.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh weird. Yeah, he said something about a hawk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I just think of like the red hawk as being
the girl who crab the other girl's bush.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, I feel what did you get?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Stop it? Should I should we have been recording this?
Did you get a bobery?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Oh oh oh, it's the strength card.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, Yeah, which is isn't that mine? Yeah? Has a
salmon on it? I think it's a salmon. Is it
a salmon. You tell me strength.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
God, I feel like this man, lumberjack man had strength
for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well yeah, if nothing else, we can take that away
from this.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, God damn it. Keep passing it, sockeye salmon.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Ah, that's a good one, the tasty.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Can strength exist without opposition? Probably not. The salmon's strength
is only necessary, only meaningful when positioned against the current. Oh,
strength against all the forces that push back against him,
against doubt, against the water, against competition. It is that
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countering force that gives him the strength to face things
directly and fly upward to leap.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Hmm. The salmon ponders this, or more likely doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
As he charges forward in a single minded, lustful drive.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Is powerful and surfened. Ah. That's like a joke I
would make.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He is unstoppable by any force within or without. Yeah,
those horny ass salmon, I.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Mean yeah, just like the loggers. I'm guessing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So keywords are inner power, overcoming weaknesses, courage, and persistence,
and it says Although some interpreters view this card as
emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, others see
it as symbolic of self confidence and inner strength of
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being in harmony with your instinctive nature.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What did it say about your animal nature that it's
emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, like brawling.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I was, well, I'm not gonna say what I
like grabbing people by the beaver. Yeah no, there's an
extra excerpt. So some decks assign strength and number eleven
and give justice number eight.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh right, right right, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I think strength and eight are more closely aligned,
and so did the creators of the writer Waite Smith Deck,
who broke with the older numbering system. From the perspective
of numerology, eight corresponds to pragmatism, material mastery, financial success.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Whereas.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I was going to say, the rains like this is
very like emblematic of who oh yeah, I ah, you
know really all of the men in this family, whereas
eleven represents humanitarianism and equality.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh, like humanitarianism. Isn't that like helping people?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, weren't they like kind of about that, like preserving
the environment and like making sure the.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Earth was I mean I would say that's like more
about it's like conservation, virus sustainability. Yeah, but I mean,
like still kind of from the perspect of you know,
just like, don't be a dick. Yeah, well, conserving the
earth is like helping people see it. Yeah, that's a
kindness to your fellow man, your future man, your fellow man,
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all fellow. When strength shows up reversed, it suggests a
struggle between your inner and outer selves. Either you're being
controlled by your emotions and your animal nature feels fair,
or you're ignoring your instincts and only listening to logic.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think it's up. I don't think it's a second one.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
No brute force alone won't get you where you want
to go. Set your ego aside for now. Dang and
strength like fighting people. Yeah, I made a strong arm andy,
I'm like doing things for the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
But it's not all I know.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We didn't turn it on. Whoops, we weren't gonna Okay.
Let's see in a reading about money interferes insecurity or
indecision may be interfering with your prosperity, or you may
be using the wrong means to gain financially, listen to
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your instincts as well as your intellect to avoid setbacks.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I feel like that's very I don't know that it
feels like it relates specifically to this little bonusy bonus,
but huh to the case itself with Ralph. If the
reading is about your job, you may feel overwhelmed by
a situation or uncertain how to handle it. Oh yeah,
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like if your dad handles the business side of things,
and oh yeah, lack of confidence keeps you from achieving
your goals. This card can also mean you're trying to
muscle your way ahead, which will likely fail. Your position
may not be as strong as you think. In a
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reading about love, you may be afraid to show your
true feelings and put up a tough facade. However, this
won't bring the happiness you seek. Relinquish your defenses, put
your ego aside, and open your heart to make a
relationship work.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Hmm, what's going on over there? Giggle?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I was thinking about Wait, I can't remember what you
said before the loved one?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
What was like the last sentence you read?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Your position may not be as strong as you think.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was thinking. Your biaber may not be as strong
as you think. I mean, while she lived, so who
knows how much biaber hair got pulled out?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Though?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Can you imagine having a fist full of dark and curlies.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh my god, why you read that story too?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You know, And I feel like I'm gonna live long
enough to regret it, probably, but it was too funny.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It was quite shocking. And it was near the end
of me researching this case, and there was so much
like background on kind of their you know, the family
and the businesses and everything coming up in that area.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
And then I get to the bottom and I'm like,
holy hell, oh.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Man, that's funny. That was great. Thank you. I needed
a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
A creepy as day.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
See you next Tuesday or whenever.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We you know, there's your Patreon you get things whenever. Yeah,
we just do stuff. But like, protect your beavers. Don't
be so creepy that you pull someone's beaver hair out
seriously fistful of darkened girly. Oh no, I have to
go
And talk about loggers and cork boots. From that time
backwards through the thirties and twenties, this country here was
not quite so civilized as it is now. You are
not fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You'll never be ready. I'm holding my butt.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Turn that thing off for a minute, and I'll tell
you the rest of it to see if you want
to record it. He says to the interviewer, what your
voice sounds even more rich and creamy than normal? Rich
and creamy, rich and creamy. Oh boy, all right, well
(00:42):
I'm you know what, never mind, I was gonna say.
I can't wait to hear whether the Patreon thinks that
my voice sounds richer and creamier.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But please don't tell me, Please don't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hi Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, creepy people, Hi Patreon, creepy people.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh yeah, she did it, She did it right.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Do you guys hear my voice shake because I'm waving
so hard on my body.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
She's wig going.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I always have to wave. I feel like it just
sends good energy to you guys. Us I think so
I felt it good. I mean, I'm in the same room.
But you know, Okay, yeah, what are we doing? Do
you remember when we talked about the clairvoyant tarot reader
(01:44):
that was like three days ago. Yeah, it's pretty recently,
so I was kind of hoping you'd say, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That was like one of my favorite episodes now I know. Yeah,
you were the second person to send him my way.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh yeah, we talked all about it in the episode.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Do you remember though? I told you that?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And I wanted to warn the Patreon too, don't go
rummaging through the paste bin to look through all of
the source material yet, because I really wanted everyone to
have this experience of me reading a portion of one
of the transcripts to you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I remember, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
And I had a strong visual of all the creepy
people digging through trash cans.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's a paste bin, not a trash bin.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This has been been Yeah, okay, miss you sound like
y'all London done.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Waste bind pastebin. Oh very easy to I see what
you did there.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So this is actually an interview that was conducted by
someone that I wasn't going to look that deep.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's on the Pacific University Library in their archives.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Ok And this was typed up on a typewriter.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Ooh cute.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, and you can tell because of the fond and
also because of the tiny little corrections that they hand
penned in.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh my god, cute, it's really cute.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We might have to post a picture of some of
the funny little corrections that they put in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The following oral history interview is with Ralph W. Rains,
a longtime resident of Washington County who has grown up
around the lumber industry for his entire life. The entire
interview is over three hours in length, in which time
a great many topics are discussed or touched upon. And
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Cassie just got a look on her face that was like,
holy shit, is she reading me a three hour interview?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I hope. So I'm gonna close my eyes. I bang
over my eyes and taken oap, you go for it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, it's not the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And there's a there's a particular part that I really
wanted to share with you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay. I love the oral interviews. Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The conversation generally follows a chronological order, beginning with his
grandparents coming across the plains and eventually settling an Oregon.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So this is literally like his origin story.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Ooh, his Oregon origin story. Oh, I see what you
did there? I liked it. Thanks, Yeah, Ralph's father WALDO
where is where? That was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
That was my favorite joke I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, thankfully, I was there to be just completely
oblivious to like the most obvious dad joke, and it
was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I just it just sailed right overhead.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, perfect, perfect delivery. I know it was. It
was remarkable. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The story is spiced.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Along the way with logging anecdotes, hilariously funny stories, and
personal experiences that loggers men of the woods who are famous.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
For I love a man of the woods.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
The interview is a valuable resource tool in the respect
that it covers the logging industry and its different aspects,
from the small lumber mill to the more mechanized and
efficient operations to the new field of tree farming, all
told in a human personal way. The user is encouraged
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to listen to the tapes and read the transcript for
maximum benefit and enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh did you listen and read? Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, I didn't come across the recording. I'm sure I
probably could have figured out a way to find it,
but I didn't. The interview takes place on February twenty seventh,
nineteen seventy eight, at mister Rains's home up in the
mountains outside of the town of Cherry Grove.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know it's the whole sun. Is Cherry Grove still
a town?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I have no idea how we should find out?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Me let me google map sit real quick.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Is it Oregon?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Uh yes, I think so. It sounds familiar. If it's
not then unincorporated community. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say,
I think it's in like a rural part of like
the Gaston area maybe, which already Gaston is even now
still pretty rural.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, Roald Jahreer, I have to do it every time.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Look at that so cute kind of close to Forrest Grove,
Well not that close, but it's like on this map
right here Forrest Groves.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Everything is really far from Forrest Grove, so like if
you're like less than three hours away, it's like, oh, look, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Kind of close.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, So, Ralph said, I receive Christmas cards and sometimes
visits from fellows that worked for me in the past,
and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That means a lot to me. That's real value in
my life.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, I know he's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I know that's Ralph's senior. When fellows come to work
for me, the set of instructions was. I assumed it
already when he'd come to work, he'd already been screened,
and I knew he knew his job. I tell him that. Here,
the name of the game is get logs. Get those lags.
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If that's the name of that, that's the name of Maggie. Now,
if you don't think you can stand up and hold
up with the rest of the crew, we don't cut
the pay here. You'll just have to quit. It's get
logs and get logs safely. If you can't do that,
we don't like to make widows here.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Oh seriously, we just talked about a lumberjack with a
tree falling on him, got a treat, he got a
tree falling on him. I'll try you fallen. That's not
how you speak English, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, that's how some people do when they feel like it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay, we'll go with I did that on purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, it was folksy. We're not widow makers here. Get
logs and get logs they did one summer. We averaged
nineteen hundred board feet per man per day all summer long,
which seems like a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't really have a I want to comparison right now.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I know, Well, too bad, because that's not even the
main point of this.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Well.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I like that he calls them fellows. I know, it's
like cut.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That was well over double the production of the average
in the state that year, which was about nine hundred
and thirty six board feet per man per day. So
I mean, I guess that's kind of a measuring stick, right,
Like that tells you nine hundred and thirty nine hundred
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and thirty six versus their nineteen hundred. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
that's pretty more than double. See it took a little
while for you, Yeah, to go in my brain. I
find that with numbers, I like I need to see it. Yeah,
a lot of times I'm just more visual.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That, right, with visualizers. You writing it on a chalkboard. Yeah, yeah,
that's hilarious. Yeah, our brains are the same.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You were wearing glasses and everything.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Aw oh wow, okay, well, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, but we had a show. I want to tell you.
You just wouldn't believe it, which is like just so
fucking wholesome and folksy.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I can hear it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wouldn't believe it. Yeah, it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's so cute. Grandpa, tell me more story.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, okay, and then well you'll see and talk about
loggers and cork boots. From that time backwards through the
thirties and twenties, this country here was not quite so
civilized as it is now.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Saturday night dances.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The fellows would all get in from the woods, the
Saturday night dances at Shady Side Dance Hall and out
to Balm Grove, the wild affairs.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh my goodness. Oh it was a pop in town. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
If those went on today, the state police and the
National Guard and every other thing would be out here,
the FBI to round up the moonshiners, quell the rioting. Damn,
you wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't I.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Fully believe it. I want to go to this party.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Finally, she's like, so you're telling me there's lumberjacks at
a party. Lumberjackson, moonshine, that's all you need. We always
used to speculate. I remember when I was a teenager.
We always used to several of us would get together
and say, where are we going tonight?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Where are we going to have the biggest Donnie Brook tonight?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What the Donnie Brook?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna actually look it up because I'm like,
I kind of have like a cursory.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Also, by teenagers, they mean they were twenty one, right
or was it eighteen?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well he's well, he's talking about like it doesn't matter
because like in some of this time period alcohol wasn't
legal at all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's why you're saying the moonshiners, because that's where moonshine
comes from.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Doyle. Yeah, why would why would the FBI be involved?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, I mean, I guess like it could be that wild.
I don't know, so Donny Brook. A scene of uproar
and disorder, a heated argument, which actually I'm glad I
read that because just hold that for a second.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, wait, can you read it one more time? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
A scene of uproar and disorder, a heated argument. Okay,
was it going to be Balm Grove or was it
going to be Shady Side? I remember it Shady Side.
Why loggers a lot of times on Saturdays. Why they'd
be in from the woods. Maybe they didn't even have
their cork boots changed yet, but they always had to
stop and wet their whistle at the tavern.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What their whistle? What their whistle?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Sometimes they would show up with their logging clothes on
and maybe just their slippers, their slippers. They called them
dancing slippers at all. You know, I'm just not well
enough informed about the footwear of lumberjacks in the early
nineteen hundreds, but I can look into it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'm gonna need you to.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I can't picture a lumberjack dancing and ugg slippers.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's exactly what I would picture with the fur like
these ones right up here. Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
If they didn't have their dancing slippers, why sometimes they
were there in.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Their corks cork boots. I don't with the cork boots.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of stuff in here
that's real old timy man. I mean, I just think,
you know, working boots, like yeah, I think so. I'm
just picturing somebody in like the cerel boots, you know,
like the like real currel boots, like the work working,
not like the cute like, yeah, for the Saturday night
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dance when the fight started, why you would always run
over to the side and stand up on the benches
so as you could get a better view. And it
says in parentheses laughs, a better view of what of
the fight? Oh oh okay, Sorry, that was a dumb quest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I know you're like, wait what. I know, there's a
lot going on here.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's a lot to absorb, but I feel like the
payoff here and it's not far off.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I could tell you about some of those fights.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Sometimes it got to be six or seven of them
going at it at the same time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Was this fight club? It's like it he's not supposed
to talk about I was supposed to talk about fight club.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I remember one time at Shady Side Dance Hall they
had one brawl. Shady Side was built right on the
side of Gales Creek or Scoggin's Creek rather, because it's
very important that you know which creek. Yeah, obviously the
creek Creek right on the edge of Scoggin's Creek, right
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exactly where the old TV Highway no way uh huh
goes over the Scoggins Creek right there. It has now
fell down with the snow about ten to twelve years
ago something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I guess that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Oh but anyhow, this door on the side of the
building was always nailed shut. The loggers all got in
a fight there one night, and they picked up one
guy and threw him right through the door. Damn, that
takes a lot of force, I feel like, and went
out the door and went right over the bank and
right into the creek.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Wait, there was a door just to the edge. I guess. So.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, it's interesting, very strange.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Ooh, I wonder if they like used to drop off
shady shit there from the Probably you can be like
they were canoeing down the creek and dropping off shady shit.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
You would be an excellent criminal mind. I would be
criminal mastermind. Yeah, there are some stories I could tell you.
And boy does he like I feel like he is. Yeah,
he's spilling all of the tea. Okay, do you have
your tea ready? No?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I spilled it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah that's correct. Yeah, yeah, stories, good God. Even the
girls used to get into it, damn, pulling.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Hair, well, scratch and that thought too.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
One night we were out there at Balm Grove and
two girls got into some kind of a scrap. I
don't know what it was over. Anyhow, the fight was
on and outside they went right in front of the
doorstep of Balm Grove Dance Hall. Out there there was
a heck of a big mud puddle, and the damned
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mud puddle I don't know. It seemed to me like
it was maybe ten to twelve feet across, maybe four
to six inches deep something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Wow, that's a pond it is.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, Oh good lord, I think if you guys haven't
figured out where this is going. The girls got to
scrapping it out right in the middle of that mud puddle.
One of them got the other one down in the
middle of that puddle, her dress clear up over her head,
got almighty no pants on in parentheses life, Oh.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
My gosh, was this the first mud wrestling competition?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is this the origin story we've triangulated patient zero?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh my god, hold my moonshine, and I gotta mud
wrestle this bitch.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I don't know why we have Southern ext in cemt.
I don't because it seems like such a Southern thing.
I guess I don't know. Ye Listen, I'm kind of
getting a weird visual where it's like she's taken off
her earrings, but they're like these gorgeous like Art deco earrings,
and it's very confusing.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The imagery is confusing. Yeah, where do panties go? That's
what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I mean, maybe that's why the other girl was fighting her,
because she's like run around and no panties, trying to
get her man's.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, well, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap this up.
You're not you are not ready, Okay, you are not
fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys, You'll never
be ready. I'm holding my butt this. I can't turn
that thing off for a minute. And I'll tell you
(19:13):
the rest of it to see if you want to
record it. He says to the interviewer.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
What, oh my gosh, one of these girls.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't remember who the girls were. By god, she
just reached right down and grabbed a hold of her
hair right between her crotch and just stretch that thing
something terrible. The one picked the other up and threw
her over her shoulder, and almighty, I'm telling the truth.
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End of tape two. Side to s she grabbed her
by her beaver bush.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
This is all, you know, more proof that you just
need to be waxing otherwise to get a fight.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's something that should be grabbed. Okay, So here's the thing.
When I first read this, I thought he was saying
that the girl whose dress had been pulled up. I
thought he was saying she was grabbing her beaver bus,
oh her own. But I think, yeah, the other way
(20:34):
makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
God, that must have been a really big bush holy.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Shit to be able to grab on. I mean that
she might've been grabbing onto some other things too. Oh
oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So people just been wallin since before Willin was wollin.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You know, no cap Oh my god, did.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I tell you what my wax lady said about I
got a wax while it was snowy. No, so there
was only a few people that braved the snowy conditions
to go get their wax, because, let me tell you,
you don't want to miss one if you don't if
you miss one. And she called us the tundra beavers. Oh,
(21:40):
because we braved the tundra.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well obviously this this was meant to be.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I just can't because it starts out so wholesome, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Grandpa, tell me more stories about logging.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Grandpa, No, wow, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I mean. And here's the thing. When you asked
are we going to do a tiro reading? I thought
to myself, like, oh boy, what if we get a
beaver exactly? That would be the greatest thing ever. You
should we should still do it? I think, Okay, are
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you done?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Is that the end? That's the end, There's no more. Listen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
This is one ancient man who was too embarrassed to
even just keep going in the story.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
On the recording without checking with his So cute, I.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know it is.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It is nice I have a man to like think
about that because you know, do locker room talking. So yeah,
I don't know, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Tubes.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He didn't say beaber, right, I said beaver. Yeah, he
definitely wasn't talking.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Pretty sure he's only referring to the the animal if
he's ever said beaver.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He didn't even say bush, No, he didn't. Do you
think he would be.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Friends with Beaver's because they they both kind of do
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Logging, Like, you know, did you just ask me that?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I went to split the deck and oh is that
it's not beaver but it's a chip bunt.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I was like, would chuck? Yeah, I could chuck. What Oh,
you might be right? What stop it? What is it?
It's the page of Pinnacles. Okay, So tell him what
happened while I look this up. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So I went to split the tarot deck so I
could shuffle and we could just do a quick little
just for funzies tiro reading. And as I split the
deck and I went to shuffle, I realized that the
two ends of the deck, one of the cards was
page of Pentacles, which looks like kind of like a
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woodchuck or a chipmunk.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Type townshend, chipmunk, keep that up, I feel like, okay, diligent, dependable, ambition, planning,
building new skills, starting an investment, planting a seed like
I feel like we were supposed to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Get that one too.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Building building, it says, building a new building, new skills.
Oh like, when you grab your slaps, let me read
this short while she's shuffling.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'm going to read the little story in the little book.
Just one more, he thought, setting out on another excursion.
Move quietly, don't attract attention, stay in the brush too.
Oh my god, stay in the brushed to avoid the
red hawk.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Stands.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I can't read that again. Okay, stand the bush to
avoid the red hawk. Pray the weasels not around. Spot
the oak from the top of the rise, the blackberries
just below it, towards the water.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Grab some Oh my god, Cassie.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Grab some thistle seeds on the way out or I
can't even talk. Okay, grab some thistle seeds on the
way back. Stash them safely, sigh and relief, survive or
survey the horde just one more so. It's like a
little chipmunk grabbing seeds and like storing them away.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Belus. Really funny, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just went to shuffle again and then there was
all the hat.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh weird. Yeah, he said something about a hawk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I just think of like the red hawk as being
the girl who crab the other girl's bush.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, I feel what did you get?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Stop it? Should I should we have been recording this?
Did you get a bobery?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Oh oh oh, it's the strength card.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, Yeah, which is isn't that mine? Yeah? Has a
salmon on it? I think it's a salmon. Is it
a salmon. You tell me strength.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
God, I feel like this man, lumberjack man had strength
for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well yeah, if nothing else, we can take that away
from this.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, God damn it. Keep passing it, sockeye salmon.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Ah, that's a good one, the tasty.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Can strength exist without opposition? Probably not. The salmon's strength
is only necessary, only meaningful when positioned against the current. Oh,
strength against all the forces that push back against him,
against doubt, against the water, against competition. It is that
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countering force that gives him the strength to face things
directly and fly upward to leap.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Hmm. The salmon ponders this, or more likely doesn't.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
As he charges forward in a single minded, lustful drive.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Is powerful and surfened. Ah. That's like a joke I
would make.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He is unstoppable by any force within or without. Yeah,
those horny ass salmon, I.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Mean yeah, just like the loggers. I'm guessing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So keywords are inner power, overcoming weaknesses, courage, and persistence,
and it says Although some interpreters view this card as
emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, others see
it as symbolic of self confidence and inner strength of
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being in harmony with your instinctive nature.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What did it say about your animal nature that it's
emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, like brawling.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I was, well, I'm not gonna say what I
like grabbing people by the beaver. Yeah no, there's an
extra excerpt. So some decks assign strength and number eleven
and give justice number eight.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh right, right right, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I think strength and eight are more closely aligned,
and so did the creators of the writer Waite Smith Deck,
who broke with the older numbering system. From the perspective
of numerology, eight corresponds to pragmatism, material mastery, financial success.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Whereas.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I was going to say, the rains like this is
very like emblematic of who oh yeah, I ah, you
know really all of the men in this family, whereas
eleven represents humanitarianism and equality.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh, like humanitarianism. Isn't that like helping people?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, weren't they like kind of about that, like preserving
the environment and like making sure the.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Earth was I mean I would say that's like more
about it's like conservation, virus sustainability. Yeah, but I mean,
like still kind of from the perspect of you know,
just like, don't be a dick. Yeah, well, conserving the
earth is like helping people see it. Yeah, that's a
kindness to your fellow man, your future man, your fellow man,
(30:12):
all fellow. When strength shows up reversed, it suggests a
struggle between your inner and outer selves. Either you're being
controlled by your emotions and your animal nature feels fair,
or you're ignoring your instincts and only listening to logic.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think it's up. I don't think it's a second one.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
No brute force alone won't get you where you want
to go. Set your ego aside for now. Dang and
strength like fighting people. Yeah, I made a strong arm andy,
I'm like doing things for the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
But it's not all I know.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We didn't turn it on. Whoops, we weren't gonna Okay.
Let's see in a reading about money interferes insecurity or
indecision may be interfering with your prosperity, or you may
be using the wrong means to gain financially, listen to
(31:19):
your instincts as well as your intellect to avoid setbacks.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I feel like that's very I don't know that it
feels like it relates specifically to this little bonusy bonus,
but huh to the case itself with Ralph. If the
reading is about your job, you may feel overwhelmed by
a situation or uncertain how to handle it. Oh yeah,
(31:45):
like if your dad handles the business side of things,
and oh yeah, lack of confidence keeps you from achieving
your goals. This card can also mean you're trying to
muscle your way ahead, which will likely fail. Your position
may not be as strong as you think. In a
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reading about love, you may be afraid to show your
true feelings and put up a tough facade. However, this
won't bring the happiness you seek. Relinquish your defenses, put
your ego aside, and open your heart to make a
relationship work.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Hmm, what's going on over there? Giggle?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I was thinking about Wait, I can't remember what you
said before the loved one?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
What was like the last sentence you read?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Your position may not be as strong as you think.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was thinking. Your biaber may not be as strong
as you think. I mean, while she lived, so who
knows how much biaber hair got pulled out?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Though?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Can you imagine having a fist full of dark and curlies.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh my god, why you read that story too?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You know, And I feel like I'm gonna live long
enough to regret it, probably, but it was too funny.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It was quite shocking. And it was near the end
of me researching this case, and there was so much
like background on kind of their you know, the family
and the businesses and everything coming up in that area.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
And then I get to the bottom and I'm like,
holy hell, oh.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Man, that's funny. That was great. Thank you. I needed
a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
A creepy as day.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
See you next Tuesday or whenever.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We you know, there's your Patreon you get things whenever. Yeah,
we just do stuff. But like, protect your beavers. Don't
be so creepy that you pull someone's beaver hair out
seriously fistful of darkened girly. Oh no, I have to
go
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