January 10, 2024 • 49 mins
Are you wearing your 'too muchness' like a cloak of invisibility or a suit of armor? Gina Hatzis, a beacon of boldness for women in communication and confidence, joins us on this week's podcast to examine how embracing our radiant selves can transform our lives and she shares how each woman's midlife awakening is a call to live a Brave, Bold, Unapologetic Life. Gina champions women to celebrate their Too Muchness and confidently live a regret-free life.
Striding boldly into midlife can feel like navigating an intricate maze, but it's also an opportunity to cement self-trust and muster Charisma, Confidence, Courage and Communication . In this open discussion, we illuminate the sectors of the 'wheel of life' where self-awareness can be a make or break and how to build a foundation of self-trust and courage to not only face change but to embrace the charisma and confidence that come with it. Whether reshaping your career path, deepening relationships, or redefining financial success, Gina shares how warmth and competence intertwine, urging you to start where self-trust is most needed in your wheel of life. She discusses the resilience required to both enact change and weather its outcomes at midlife.
This episode culminates in a powerful introspective journey, one that challenges you to align with your core values and let them guide your communication and your 'too muchness'. Gina shares how to peel back the layers of transformative realization, when aligning with authentic values - courage, freedom, self-expression - will catalyze a wave of positive change in all midlife women's lives. Ellen and Tish step up to challenge themselves to reevaluate their own values, understanding that true fulfillment, purpose, and joy spring from this congruence of values.
And as we delve into the Once Upon a Woman project led by Gina, we celebrate the wisdom of community. By claiming your 'too much woman' superpower, you enrich not just your own life, but those around you - here's to charisma, confidence, courage, and communication. Gina shares her new journal with 100 days of prompts , her master classes and other ways you can work with her.
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Tish (00:02):
Well, we are into the new year with all its possibilities,
and our new year always gets megeared up about accomplishing
new challenges.
Ellen (00:13):
You know, tish, I love that idea of the new year and
really focusing in here what wewant to work on, and we're not
into new year's resolutions.
We both know that We've talkedabout this on the show before.
We're rather into making lifechanges and setting goals and
challenging ourselves.
(00:34):
I love we did so manychallenges last year in 2023.
Tish (00:39):
Well, Ellen, let me ask you this have you ever been told
you're too much?
Ellen (00:44):
You know, I know you have Tish, but you probably can
guess that I have not.
I have been told more that I'mnice and I've been lucky.
Most things, I think, minimizeme when they're said to me or
that things have come easy to me.
I don't know why people saythat, but you know, I would love
(01:06):
to be told I'm too much Tish tobe really honest with you.
I'm going to set that assomething to work on in 2024.
Tish (01:15):
Well, our guest to Jay, Gina Hatzis, is such an
inspiration because she embracesher too muchness and I've been
following her on TikTok and Ijust love her message of
empowerment.
Now.
Gina has more than 25 years ofexperience as an international
corporate and public speaker,specializing in soulful
(01:37):
leadership, consciouscommunication and epic
empowerment.
Ellen (01:43):
You know, Tish, you turned me on to Gina about four,
I think four or five months ago, and I love her.
She makes my day every day.
She is a confidence andcommunication educator for women
and I think here at Midlife weneed to hear what she has to say
.
She's going to bring thisamazing energy that champions
women to celebrate their toomuchness, and we're going to
(02:05):
find out what too muchness is aswell and how to be confident
and live regret-free.
So all really good midlifemessages.
But before we get to Gina, youknow I love this part of our
show, Tish, what do you got forme this week?
What is your obsession?
Tish (02:23):
Okay, so it has been raining it feels like almost
nonstop around here, and it's sounusual for the Charlotte area
really and so I'm focusing onsunnier days ahead, and so my
obsession this week is I want toplan a white party for my girl,
tribe here and by pretty whitedresses and go out, and I don't
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know.
It's just something aboutputting together a white party
to kind of celebrate that springis coming.
So that's my obsession thisweek, and I have a couple of
really cute dresses that we'regoing to put links in for.
Ellen (03:00):
I guess it's winter is not coming for you.
When is it over?
Tish (03:05):
When is it over?
I love when it's coming, I lovefall and I love when it's
coming.
But now that the holidays arefinished, I'm like, okay, done,
I'm ready for the warmer weather.
But what about you, ellen?
What is your obsession?
Ellen (03:18):
this week, okay.
Well, I'm going to actuallyshow you my obsession, since
we're on video.
It's the Republic of Tea and Idon't know if you know about
this tea, but it's fabulous.
They have so many flavors.
But I'm addicted now to thisdaily green because I have gone
off coffee here as part of mycan.
Tish (03:37):
you were, I know it's here we go, here we go again.
Ellen (03:41):
I am not nice right now I am not nice, I'm a little salty
, but this daily green ishelping me, the people's daily
green, and this brand is fromright here in Marin County,
where I live.
Gina (03:54):
So check it out.
Ellen (03:55):
We'll put a link If anyone else has gone.
Coffee free for 24, think aboutthe daily green.
Tish (04:03):
I love that.
Well, we're going to welcometoday Gina.
She is a Canadian native author, speaker, coach, host of Once
Upon a Woman.
She has two sales ofintergenerational wisdom events.
She has two viral videos thatamassed over 50 million views.
(04:23):
That is not an easilyaccomplishment and she has been
on global tour as a visionary ofthis too much woman movement,
which is a platform for women tocelebrate their too muchness.
Ellen (04:38):
I mean this is amazing 50 million views.
We are so lucky to have Ginahere today.
I'm just going to say two morethings about her.
She was named Top InspirationalSpeaker by SpeakerSlam in 2021,
top 20 Disruptors of 2022 forDisruptor Magazine, which I
think is amazing, and Woman ofthe Year in 2019 by Soful Image
(05:04):
Magazine.
So so many accolades.
Bring Gina to our show andwelcome Gina.
We are excited to have you asone of our first guests on the
podcast for 2024.
Gina (05:15):
Hello, what an absolute joy to be here, and I'm giggling
as I'm sipping my coffee and inToronto, I'm laughing at your
springtime welcome, because wehave a snowstorm today.
So what a joy to be here, hieverybody oh great.
Tish (05:33):
Now, Gina, I wanted to start with if you could tell our
audience more about this ideaof embracing too muchness.
What does that mean?
Gina (05:46):
Well, if I may, let me just start with a quick little
story.
I was born a too much littlegirl and there was an energy in
me that was too sensitive, tooemotional, too loud, too
dramatic.
And there's an ongoing joke inmy family like I was called the
drama queen up until I wasprobably 22.
(06:08):
And so there was this story.
There was this feedback that Iwas too much in so many ways,
and as I got a little bit older,those things that were jokes
within our family became marksof shame in my life.
I became too ambitious, I wastoo opinionated Boys don't like
(06:29):
that.
I was too smart, and so Istarted this collection almost
of pebbles of my too muchnessand I realized that if I was
going to get along and go alongI needed to subdue or change
myself.
And as a public speaker,particularly as a woman, I
started off very young in mycareer.
After I left journalism, I wasa young woman in a sea of
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middle-aged white men and myvivaciousness, my too muchness,
all the parts about me that werewrong, labeled wrong.
I realized I wouldn't havesuccess unless I kind of
assimilated the best I could.
So part of my story is thisevolution of rejecting all the
parts of me that were too much.
(07:14):
So the fact that I was toosensitive.
I started to become more stoic,I was too dramatic.
I started to subdue all theparts of me that I believed were
wrong about me.
I started to morph and change,and part of one of the viral
videos that you're referring tothe too much woman is the story
of that evolution, where I cameto the point that I realized
(07:36):
that subduing those parts of mewas actually self-betrayal and
those parts of me were the mostbrilliant, most delicious,
juiciest parts of who I was, andunleashing that really changed
the trajectory of my life.
Tish (07:52):
I love that.
I love that.
You know, as I listened to allof your text talks, Gina, I
found four themes in them, right, and they really kind of
revolved around charisma,confidence, courage and
communication.
And I would love to talk abouthow that, those different topics
(08:13):
, and how do you morph those inwith this idea of too muchness.
You know, what really struck mewas especially the ones about
charisma.
You never hear about peoplebuilding charisma.
You know, this idea thatcharisma is something that can
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be cultivated was somethingreally new to me, right?
So I thought that would be areally great place to start.
Gina (08:44):
Yeah, absolutely so what we've learned because my
backgrounds in journalism whatwe learn about charisma is that
it's not something that you'reborn with.
We have this idea that you'vegot it or you don't.
Ellen (08:56):
Someone walks into the room and they fight over it or
they don't.
Gina (08:59):
So you're either one of the lucky ones or you're not.
And what the research tells usis that charisma, while it is
natural for some people, isactually something that can be
learned.
So what is charisma?
Charisma is actually theintersection of warmth and
competence warmth and competence.
So warmth is are you someonethat, when other people are
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around you, they feel relaxed,they feel connected, they want
to lean in, they have a sense oftrust about who you are?
You really see them, you makethem feel at ease?
So that's warmth.
And then there's confidence.
Competences do you have what ittakes?
Can you get the job done?
Do I respect what you bring tothe table?
And what's so fascinating to me,especially working with really
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incredible, brilliant womenaround the world, is we are so
focused on competence.
So I know a lot of people whoare very smart, who have lots of
degrees, who have lots ofaccomplishments, and we're
trying to show ourselves,improve ourselves, and then we
focus less on the warmth andwhat happens is people can see
(10:03):
that we're credible, that wehave a lot to bring to the table
, but they don't necessarilytrust us.
They don't necessarily, youknow, feel good about us and so
you can be the smartest, mostbrilliant person in the world,
but if people don't trust you,if they don't want to be around
you, work with you, time withyou, then it's a move point.
So it's really understandingthat.
(10:23):
It's the intersection of thatand then what I teach our cues
on how to elevate one or theother.
Now there are some peopleprobably a lot of your listeners
who excel in terms of warmthattributes.
So warmth, those are all of uswho identify as recovering
people pleasers.
You know, as women weresocialized to be nice, as you
(10:45):
mentioned, to be the good girls,to keep the peace, to be easy
going, to not ask for too much.
So those are warmthcompetencies, and so we may be
rewarded for those more as women, and so we are at a balance.
So people really enjoy beingaround us.
They think we're fantastic.
However, we often feel likewe're being taken advantage of.
(11:07):
We feel like we don't have wehave porous boundaries, and so
we have a hard time saying no,and so what we really need in
terms of charisma is a balancebetween the two.
So I help women achieve thebalance that's right for them
and for the circumstance thatthey're in.
Ellen (11:23):
You know, gina, I just have to say I this is something
I've worked on because I am arecovering people please are,
and I have been told I'm niceand I'm warm and I I really took
like six months and I went,instead of working, like you're
saying, on these cues andbalance, I was like I'm just
going to go in the otherdirection, I'm going to start
(11:45):
with F.
No, all the time it's that'sgoing to be my default for like
six months and I'm going to seewhat changed.
And you know it helped mebecause I think it changed some
people's perception of me.
This was in work, this was in awork environment, but if I had
really understood thisintersectionality of these two
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things that we both we alwaysbring to the table and where
they are, it would have worked alot better.
So I'm I'm really interestedand I know our listeners,
because a lot of us midlifersare recovering people please, or
will be interested to digdeeper in this area.
Definitely interesting for us.
Gina (12:26):
It's also really fascinating for those of us
especially.
Midlife is such and I knowwe'll talk about this, midlife
is really an awakening for a lotof women.
And so we come to a point wherewe're looking back with maybe
some regret, maybe a little bitof wishing that we had done
things differently or that wecould do things differently.
And it's this, it's thistransition.
(12:47):
It's almost like in the Wizardof Oz when Dorothy gets to the
crossroads and the scarecrow islike which way are you going to
go?
Is it going to be more of thesame, or are we going to do
something different?
And so a lot of women that Iwork with, like you, are like
I've been this way.
I've been a people pleaser ortwo nice my whole life.
I've been the good girl, andI'm going to actually swing the
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pendulum all the way to theother side because I'm I don't
want to be that anymore, and sothat can cause a lot of
repercussions as well, and so wewant to find a place where we
settle somewhere in between.
That's right for you, and Ithink it's different for every
woman.
Ellen (13:24):
Yeah, and I know I read you are too much.
Tish (13:26):
Yes, yeah, I read this article from Vanessa Van Edwards
and she's the author of cuesmaster, the secret language of
charismatic communication, andshe talks about this
groundbreaking study fromPrinceton University and again
she talks about that innersection of warmth and competence
and meeting the unique blendhow, how do you teach people to
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balance things more?
Gina (13:58):
Yeah, so first, first, there's an awareness of where,
where we tend to lean, and it'simportant.
We always start with the wheelof life.
So I just want you to imagine acircle and slicing that circle
up into little slices, like youwould a pizza, because
everything is food related.
For me, every single slice is adifferent area of your life.
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So there's your relationshipwith your work, there's your
relationship with your body,there's your relationship with
your sensuality or sexuality,there's your relationship with
finances, with your relationshipwith relationships, and that
even divvies up further.
You know your workrelationships, your parents,
your kids, your spouse, yourfriends.
There's your relationship withyour spirituality, and you can
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really slice it up as much asyou want.
And then getting really curiousin those spaces in terms of
where you sit, where the dynamicsits.
I know some women who tend tobe very warm in relationships,
or swing warm in romanticrelationships, where they tend
to soften.
They have porous boundaries,they tend to be a little bit
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more comfortable with it, maybepick people who aren't available
for them, but then, when itcomes to work, the quotient is
flipped and they tend to be alittle bit more on the competent
and less warm side, and so Ithink it's really important to
get curious about the differentareas of your life and what's
not working for you.
Again, it's different foreverybody.
(15:24):
So one of the measures that Ireally like to start with and
this is going to kind of steerus in this, I think it's
important to mark is when Istart working with women and we
look at that wheel of life, whatI ask them to do is to rate
themselves in terms of how muchthey trust themselves in each of
these areas on a scale of oneto 10.
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So my work is really rooted inself trust.
How much do you trust you?
And a lot of people think selftrust is about do I?
Do I know that I'm going toaccomplish something?
Do I know that I'm going to besuccessful?
But I define it as the assuredreliance that I will do right by
me, that in any given instance,I will do right by me.
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I will have my own back.
So if you use that measurementand go around that wheel and ask
yourself, how much do I trustmyself when it comes to my
finances?
How much do I trust myself whenit comes to romantic
relationships, what we start tosee are areas where we don't
trust ourselves as much in areaswhere we do so.
We want to start in the areaswhere we feel less trust,
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because what you'll notice isthere's a direct correlation
between the areas where youdon't trust yourself and your
level of confidence in that area.
And charisma is really buildingour confidence muscle in any
one area.
It's being able to step intorelationship, work, the office,
the bedroom, the boardroom andbeing able to show up for
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yourself.
So connecting self trustingconfidence is where I start.
So wherever on that wheel oflife you have the lowest grade
for yourself, that's where welike to start.
And then I start to ask morecurious questions what, what is
going on there?
Where are they in terms of thewarmth and competence scale?
And then I start to teachspecific habits where they can
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build up one or the other.
Ellen (17:11):
I love this idea, gina, and I think that's a really
important work at midlife and,of course, at any stage of life.
But really, like you said,we're at this crossroads, at
midlife, and I think reallyunderstanding this, rating your
trust and then showing up foryourself are such big parts of,
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you know, having this bestmidlife and maybe doing things
differently.
So I think some really gooddeep work for our listeners to
do here.
But let's move on to courage,because we could talk to you all
day, I can tell you, we couldtalk to you all day long.
I have a favorite quote fromBrene Brown courage and daring
are coursing through your veins.
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You were made to live in lovewith your whole heart.
It's time to show up and beseen.
So tell us about courage forwomen at midlife.
Gina (18:06):
My favorite quote I'm going to add one to the mix here
is by the late great doctor, myAngela, who says courage is the
most important virtue becausewithout it we can't practice any
other virtue.
And so when I look at my corevalues, I do work, intentional
work with clients to really lookat their five top core values.
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For me, courage is the top ofthe list always, and what I
recognize for myself in midlifeis that again it comes back to
self trust.
If I want to change anything atthis course in my life, if I'm
looking back at the first halfsaying, hmm, what did I like,
what didn't I like, what do Iwant more of, what do I want
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less of, it requires courage.
Now, courage isn't somethingthat we just flip a switch and
decide we're going to becourageous that day.
It's very romantic to thinkthat courage is something just
snap our fingers or wave a magicwand and have.
Courage comes from a deepseated, rooted sense of self
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trust.
And again I want to go back toit's not the courage to say I'm
going to speak up at work moreor I'm going to speak up and
hold stronger boundaries.
It's not knowing that that'sgoing to turn out the way we
want it to.
But it goes back to self trust.
Courage means I'm going tospeak up and I trust that, no
matter what happens, I will havemy back, I will do right by me.
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And so I think courage and selftrust really go hand in hand.
How can we be courageous if wedon't trust that we will be able
to manage whatever the otherside of the equation shows up
for us?
On the other side of couragebecause courage, as romantic as
it is, you know we can say wewant to be courageous and speak
up at home or at work, butthere's going to be some fallout
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.
So courage is right.
Do I trust myself to followthrough and be able to do what I
need to do?
Tish (20:01):
on the other side of that, I know courage for me is kind
of this letting go and gettingcomfortable and familiar with
kind of taking this leap into anunknown right.
But I think that's one lifegets really interesting and fun.
We take that leap.
You know how?
(20:22):
What can women do to startbuilding themselves, to be more
courageous right and to getcomfortable with taking those
leaps?
Gina (20:34):
What's most important.
I know that there's a lot ofenergy around the idea of
courage and we think of courageas like running and jumping off
a cliff, like taking thesemassive leaps into our life,
like I'm going to quit my job,I'm going to leave the marriage,
I'm going to write the book,I'm going to start a podcast,
like whatever that big thing is.
(20:55):
However, for me, courage reallybegins in the smallest moments.
Courage is facing my regret.
Courage is having the difficultconversation with a friend
where I feel like she hasn'tbeen reciprocating the energy in
relationship.
Courage is me gettingconfronting my health and
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getting very honest about whatI've let go and what changes I
need to make.
So for me, the very first stepis courageously being honest
with ourselves about what weneed are being mad, and so I
know it's very exciting and it'sit's way more fun to talk about
being courageous in big ways.
What I'm interested for womenis to demonstrate to themselves
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that they can be courageous insmall ways, because again, I'm
going to beat this like a deadhorse, but it's these small
measures of courage build ourself trust muscles.
So I want you to imagine asmidlife women for the first half
of our lives.
Many of us have played small.
Many of us have prioritizedother people, their needs, their
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wants.
It could be kids, it could beour family, it could be our
parents, it could be society.
And so here we come, to midlifeand we're like it's my time,
it's my turn, right.
But it's like going to the gymand not having lifted weights in
20, 30, 40 years and suddenlygoing I'm going to lift this big
weight like our muscles arelike.
Hold on.
(22:26):
So these small measures of selftrust build our courage muscle,
and it starts with five pounds.
And maybe that first fivepounds is sitting with yourself
and getting clear about changesyou want to make, or looking at
your health, or, and maybe thenit's 10 pounds, we're actually
going to make a plan to meetwith someone to strategize your
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nutrition or or check into yourmenopause symptoms and what do I
want to do about this.
And then maybe it's 15 pounds,which is, you know, committing
to some other measures.
So for me, courage reallybegins with the small, small
steps with ourselves and thenand then branching out from
there.
Tish (23:10):
I like how you started courage with internally and
building on and building thatconfidence and then you can do
things that are kind of outsideof yourself.
But I love this idea becausethat's like a new one to me
building courage from within.
Ellen (23:28):
For me too, tish and Tina , I have to say I love that.
It's small.
We've talked a lot about atomichabits and some other things on
our show, microjoys.
It's starting internally, likeTish said, with ourselves.
It's being courageous withourselves, not with grand
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gestures, and I think I alwaysthink of courage as grand
gestures and for me, I'd lovefor this idea of courage and
building this muscle to becomesecond nature to me here at
Midlife.
I think that that could be areally important skill to build
and to learn.
Gina (24:10):
It also makes it more sustainable.
I just want to say, when womenfinally come to work with me,
oftentimes they are at acrossroads for themselves and
they're up against the wall andthey're desperate.
There's a sense of desperationand the feeling is I'm so
desperate, I need to make areally big change.
I need to shape my head or geta tattoo or quit my job or leave
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my marriage.
There's this sense and Ibelieve that social media has a
hand in that.
There's this romanticizing ofchanging our life, this big
upheaval, and at the same time,I think that's not sustainable,
because we throw ourselves intothese big changes without really
thinking through theimplication.
And maybe we are successful atthose things, maybe we do decide
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to sign up for a marathon andwe run it, but that's not
sustainable.
Ongoing what's most sustainableis to and we can have those big
dreams and goals.
That's wonderful too.
And what makes it sustainableand we've learned this from
Atomic Habits, we've learnedthis in so many ways is making
small, incremental changes andthen noticing at the end of the
year wow, how far we've come.
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So that's super exciting to me.
Tish (25:21):
And I love how you're talking about a lot of these
concepts that they intertwine.
These aren't all by themselveson an island, so I want to pivot
to talking about confidence,and we're into reading a lot of
supporting stuff.
So I read this article from May2023 from a UK publication
called Telegraph and it talksabout the midlife confidence
(25:45):
crash and this article citesburnout and anxiety and
self-doubt are the new midlifecrisis.
It's not that going out andrunning out and buying a sports
car that shows that midlifepressure, but there are serious
signs that can prompt what youwere saying.
You shouldn't do thiscourageous leap into the unknown
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.
It starts small, but thiscrisis can prompt these huge
U-turns in your job or your life.
Ellen (26:19):
I just have to say, as somebody who's been in
technology for years, I do feelmore distressed and self-doubt
in the workplace, and I see whyat midlife this can happen.
So I really am interested, gina, to hear what you have to say
about this.
Gina (26:39):
So this is such an exciting topic to me.
Oh my gosh, I wish we had hourstogether.
What's fascinating to me iswhen we are approaching midlife
and it doesn't happen in a day.
We think there's a switch andwe've arrived, I'm here, but
there's this slow.
I know for me.
I'm in my very late 40s, sothere's a slow burn.
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There's this slow.
It's almost like this doom,this cloud that's like, and I
can brush it away in my late 30sand maybe early 40s, and then
it won't shut up anymore.
And what it was for me.
And again, the women that I'veworked with and I won't speak
for every woman, but what I hearoften is that there's a falling
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away of these old measurementsof success, these old
expectations of what we think itmeans to be a woman.
And suddenly we come to thisplace where we're like measuring
myself by chasing that title,chasing that body, that figure,
that idealization of beauty,like chasing.
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These measurements aren'tworking for me anymore, like
that's not doing it for meanymore.
So now what?
And it's really the rebuildingof our North Star, it's really
the rebuilding of.
What are the new measurementsof?
And I hate to use the wordsuccess, but what are the gauges
that I'm doing okay and I'mdoing well, because if we
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continue to measure ourselvesagainst the old standards, we're
going to always feel like we'refalling short.
Right, because we can't keep upwith that.
So, for me again, the work thatI do with women is to really
give them a compass, a blueprintof their North Star, and the
way that I found it to be mostimpactful and most powerful is
to really get clear on what yourtop core values are.
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And if I could just say onething about this, a lot of women
when I was on tour I was on aglobal tour for three years
before the pandemic hit then Iwould ask hundreds, thousands of
women what's most important toyou?
And there's a knee jerk,automatic knee jerk response,
top five answers.
It's like health, family beinga good person, my kids doing
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good work in the world.
Like there was not even athought, that's just what we
said.
And then, when I would sit withthem and we would take it down
a notch and really breathe intothat space and provide a little
bit of playfulness and curiosity, there's way more than that,
and so what I've learned is thatwe are living by values that
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our parents have given us.
We were raised by values.
I was raised in a home whereone of their values was security
and safety.
You make safe decisions, youpay off your mortgage, you find
a nice guy to marry, you get thedegree you work out like safe
choices, and I woke up in my 30saying why am I not happy?
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I made all the safe choices, Ihave the merit, I'm doing all
the right things, but I'm nothappy.
So once I discovered my corevalues, while I do care about
safety and security, it's not mytop five In.
My top five are courage,freedom, self-expression, and so
when I understood that and Istarted to make decisions based
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around those things, that's whenthings started to shift for me,
and so I challenge women atmidlife.
This is such a good exercise.
There's lots of ways to do it.
I have some suggestions that Ican share with you.
I can send you some references,but really get clear on your
top five core values.
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You can value 100 things, butyou can't live by 100 values.
I can value safety and I canvalue risk and courage, but at
some point they're going tocross each other up.
So I've got to decide what'smost important, and when I know
that, then I spend my midlifelooking at making decisions in
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alignment with my core values.
And one final thing our senseof fulfillment, happiness, joie
de vivre, our sense of purposecomes from how aligned we are
with our core values.
But most of us don't know whatthey are.
We're just living by the valuesof our parents, by society and
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by the world at large.
Tish (30:58):
And don't you think at midlife, our core values have
shifted.
Some, like the core values thatwe hung on to when we're
raising small children, are nowdifferent than when we launched
them into the world, and I thinkthat's where this uneasiness
for women comes from is.
Wait a minute.
I aligned myself and who Ithought I was based on, all
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these other people that I takecare of in my life, and that
midlife shines this light on.
Excuse me, who are you?
What's important?
Ellen (31:30):
and and I love this idea of Really reevaluating what
those core values are- I agree,tish and Gina, and you know, I
know we've said this phrase Alsoon the podcast if not now, when
we are at midlife and I cannotwait to do this core value
Exercise, gina, because I'm Ithink it's gonna be fascinating,
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I don't think it's gonna bewhat I would I would spout off
those same five that those womenon your global tour did.
But now I know Conversations.
This is you have to have thiscongruence, nists of these core
values, this alignment to, tohave joy, confidence, you know,
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all of these things, couragethat we're talking about today.
So I like this is kind of thefoundational piece, right.
Gina (32:25):
And there's a lot of one thing I'll say because I do this
work Constantly with women andthey're always shocked, first of
all, at what comes up.
I mean shocked in that, wow,that's so true, it's like that's
me, this is who I am, this isthe blueprint.
It all makes sense now and alsoshocked at how Unconsciously
they've been living according toother values.
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But what's interesting is Iwant to say this about core
values, and this is where thework gets really interesting is
we have put a value system, asense of rightness, morality,
around certain core values.
So if you ask any parent whattheir core values are and if
they're, one of their corevalues isn't parenting or family
or prioritizing their kids,there's a sense of doom and
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shame around that, like Rightand wrong for values.
Like we as a society support awoman whose core value is her
family or even health.
Health is such a moral.
People always think that healthhas to be their top core value,
like it should be.
And so when we start to softena little bit and allow ourselves
again this goes back to couragea little honesty around what is
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true for me right now, and youmake such a great point To show
that this changes, so I alwaysinvite women.
I like to do it on my birthday.
I always reevaluate my corevalues and sometimes they shape
shift a little bit, and theyshould.
You know, I have two childrenwho are teenagers.
My core values have certainlyshifted in the course of of
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their growth.
Give yourself permission to toshape shift.
Tish (34:01):
Yeah.
Ellen (34:02):
I love that idea and you know I'm a recent empty nester
and I feel like Everything'schanged at this point.
And you'll get there, Gina.
Gina (34:11):
To One is out and the other six more months, so go.
Ellen (34:18):
You are right on the cost , all right.
So let's get to our final C,which is communication, and I
feel like the way I communicatehas changed so much at midlife.
I am so much more direct andand authentic and real in my
communication, and I've oftenheard this.
You know, the older we get, theless filters come on our
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Communication.
What about you, tish?
What do you think about yourcommunications?
Tish (34:43):
Here's the thing I think communication has changed so
drastically with social mediaand, and people are texting and
there's less face-to-faceconversations.
I think, just in general, how,how we communicate has changed
greatly, and sometimes there's alot of conflict that comes from
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that.
You see these social mediaposts and you're like, oh, I'm
not living up to this grandwhatever, and so I think we need
to go back.
For me, I think we need to goback to a time of Communicating
more directly.
Ellen (35:20):
I like that and I know, gina, I watched one of your tip
talks where you talk about thefive things to stop doing in
Communication, so maybe you canshare that while we chat about
communication.
I really enjoyed that.
Gina (35:35):
Yeah, well, one thing I will say about communication,
particularly at midlife, thewomen who come to me.
They're like I don't care.
I've come to a point where Idon't care, like no filter, I'm
gonna say what I.
And while I champion women beingmore honest, more vocal, more
self-expressed, givingthemselves really permission to
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say what they need, what theyfeel, what they want.
So all of that, yes, and thisactually takes us full circle
back to the first C, which ischarisma, because Understanding
what great communication isabout is understanding how to
get your point across in a waythat the other person will
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receive it.
So it's not just saying what'son your mind and flipping the
finger to everyone.
Great communicator, because I'mauthentic and I say what's on
my mind.
Well, yeah, relationships, thequality of our relationships,
determine the quality of ourlives, as Esther Perrell tells
us, and so we can burn a lot ofbridges that way in the name of
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self-expression and honesty andmidlife giving no, not giving a
rat, if I may.
So what I'm interested in is howcan we communicate Powerfully?
How can we communicate what'son our mind?
What we need be direct and doit in a way that doesn't shut
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down communication, because whatis the point of going around
burning down, bombing, you know,bridges and relationships and
friendships and marriages andand businesses so many of us are
entrepreneurs and business.
What's the point of doing thatin the name of self-expression
If we're gonna destroyrelationships, the very thing
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that is the essence of life.
So back to charisma.
Full circle moment is how do wecommunicate, communicate
effectively, but maintain thewarmth and integrity that's
necessary to build relationships?
I think it's possible.
It's not black and white.
We can do both, and that's whatI care about teaching people.
Tish (37:45):
Oh my gosh, that is really a full circle moment.
This idea, and again we keepshowing how all four of these
are interconnected.
You can't have one on an islandby itself.
You can't just work on beingcharismatic and not learning how
to communicate within thoseconfounds.
To me, these are basic things,but it's like earth-shattering
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putting all this stuff together.
That's what's so exciting forme about this.
Ellen (38:20):
I agree, tish.
I feel like Gina.
Covering these three forces hasreally made me hungry and more
curious.
That's what I love is when wefind something that speaks to us
so much On every one of thesefour areas.
I have learned something todaythat I am going to immediately
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put into practice.
I just want to say thank youfor that, because that is really
profound.
Tish (38:52):
Gina, can you tell our listeners how they can follow
you?
What are the different ways,such as your masterclasses
series, that you have?
What are some ways that peoplecan follow you and start
learning from some of this?
Gina (39:07):
Thank you so much.
I love when other people getjust as excited as I do and I
geek out on these things.
Thank you so much for thatfeedback.
People can find me acrosssocial media.
Social media, in a lot of ways,is a way that in midlife that
we can connect.
We know that women in community, we need community.
Sometimes all we have is avirtual community.
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I'm very present on my socials.
You can find me on InstagramGina has to see.
You can find me on Facebook,just Google me.
You'll find me on TikTok.
I'm very present on my socials.
I'm very responsive.
In each one of those spacesthere is a link in the bio and
it lists a series ofmasterclasses I teach in each of
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these areas, each of these Csthat we've discussed.
I teach separate masterclasses.
They're very affordable, veryaccessible.
You get them for life.
They're 90-minute sessions withme, pre-recorded, that
specifically look at differentareas that we've talked about
today and gives you a deeperdive into skill sets.
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What I care about this is awonderful conversation.
I've got goosebumps the wholetime because I loved talking
about this.
This is the essence ofempowerment.
The question then becomes howdo I do it?
Give me the practice.
What do I do tomorrow when Iwake up?
What do I do tomorrow when I goto work and I need to talk to
my boss or I need to confront mykid?
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What do I actually do?
The masterclasses are a deeperdive into each of these areas.
That's really great if you'renot ready for doing it working
one-on-one or if you can't catchme at a live event, but that's
really the place to start.
Ellen (40:47):
I love that.
Gina, I know that you also havea journal as one of your
offerings.
Tisha and I are journal people.
How many times have we talkedabout journaling, Tisha?
Tish (41:00):
We have collections of journals.
Ellen (41:02):
Yeah, but I'm definitely going to say I wanted to make a
journal.
Gina (41:06):
I know for a lot of my clients they either love
journaling or they're burnt outfrom journaling, because it's
like I need a direction.
This particular journalactually just is hot off the
press from just before the newyear.
It's called 100 Days of MakingSpace for Me.
There's one journal prompt aday for 100 days and the intent
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is to build self-confidence andself-trust.
How do I make space for me?
You get one prompt a day andthat gives you at least a little
bit of direction in terms ofwhat am I going to sit down and
write about today.
And then there's someintentionality behind it.
Tish (41:45):
It sounds great, yeah, Now Gina, we always ask our guests
that come on a question.
We want to hear what do youthink your superpower is?
Gina (41:59):
Oh, it's undoubtedly my too muchness.
It's the understanding that allthe parts of me and I feel
emotional just saying this, I'vesaid it maybe a thousand times
and it's never changed that allthe parts that my whole life I
was told in word or action thatwere wrong about me are actually
the parts that are so right.
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Anybody who's listening to this.
I really hope that you justtake a moment and just let this
settle deep into your bones Insome way.
We've been told that we arewrong.
Who we are is wrong, whetherit's on the side of being too
much or on the flip side, whichis the same.
Point being not enough, we'retold that we're wrong.
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My superpower is really leaninginto those areas where my whole
life I have suppressed,condensed, dismissed, overlooked
, betrayed myself and reallyheld it up to the light, dyed my
hair red, let my clean show andjust show up fully, fully,
fully, fully, having the courage, the audacity to lean into
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those parts of myself.
That's my superpower, and it'snot because of all the things
that it does for me.
That's certainly very fun andexciting, but it's understanding
that, as women, the permissionwe give one another.
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard a woman say this to
me message me and say I saw youand I thought maybe I could be
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that too.
That is the reason.
Tish (43:35):
That is the reason.
Oh my gosh, that gives mechills.
That statement alone gives mechills, because I don't think we
do enough of empowering eachother Right, and so many times
we get into the mantra of what'sacceptable in society and
what's not and we kind of beatdown each other.
But this idea that you'veunleashed in women yes, it's
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okay to be too much, but thatyou also see, in building these
different things such ascharisma, we can do it in ways,
refined ways, things like wesaid before, small ways, little
one at a time, ways to do it.
Ellen (44:18):
We also always ask everybody, our guests, if they
have any final thoughts formidlife women, anything that
really stands out to you fromour conversation today.
Gina (44:29):
Yeah, my gut, I'm just going to go with my intuitive
hit is.
One of my recent passions is anew project I'm working on
called Once Upon a Woman Talesof Intergenerational Wisdom.
Currently it's a live event inToronto, but the methodology
behind it that was a shapeshifter for me is recognizing in
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midlife that number onecommunity is everything.
As women, we naturallygravitate towards wanting to be
in community.
But what happened?
And certainly through thepandemic and for so many other
reasons, we're so busy and maybewe catch a girlfriend and go
for wine or we do all theselittle things as treats for
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ourselves.
Not recognizing that community,whether it's virtual or live, is
essential.
But Once Upon a Woman is aboutis actually daring yourself, to
mix it up a little bit.
So what that means is maybe youhave a bestie that you always
see.
That's wonderful, but whatother communities of women can
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you be around to start toinspire you in the second half
of your life?
So Once Upon a Woman is aboutintergenerational conversations.
What can we learn from oneanother?
There are women in their 60sand 70s that I cherish as
beacons of experience and wisdom, and my 17 year old daughter
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has wisdom and perspective thatI could not have because of the
life that she lived and howshe's grown in this in this
century, and so it's soimportant for me to emphasize
community, but also diversitywithin community.
Get out there and try to beintentional with the people that
you hang out with and reallytry to find some variety to
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enrich your midlife.
Ellen (46:25):
I don't think I could have said anything better than
community and intergenerationalinfluences and diversity of who
you hang out with.
To bring new thinking, newthoughts abroad in your horizons
here at Midlife is so important, bina, thank you so much, and
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as we wrap up today's show, Ijust want to tell our listeners
we're going to put links toeverything in our show notes, so
it'll be really easy foreveryone to find all the
different resources that we'vetalked about today.
Tish (47:01):
You know it.
Just, it really warms my heartto that.
We really saw how the foreseesall interconnect and how
important that is to recognizethat right, and I think our
message today and every day isthat we determine who we're
going to be at Midlife.
And part of that is aboutcontinued growth and where
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better to start than charisma,confidence, courage and
communication.
And so my challenge to ourlisteners today is to let 2024
be that year that you focus onthese foresees and embrace your
too much woman.
Ellen (47:46):
I love it.
And, hey, everybody follow Ginaon her socials, whether you're
on TikTok or Instagram.
You'll be glad you did, becauseevery day she brings me some
joy.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, no, thank you for joiningus today and keep doing what
you're doing to empower womenall around the world.
We are so lucky to have youhere with us today and again,
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thank you Absolutely joy, oh mygoodness.
Gina (48:13):
And thank you to everybody for investing their time and to
you, ladies, for doing the workthat you do.
We all have a hand in theseripples.
So such a pleasure, thank you.
Ellen (48:23):
All right Till next week, midlifeers.
Well, we are into the new year with all its possibilities,
and our new year always gets megeared up about accomplishing
new challenges.
Ellen (00:13):
You know, tish, I love that idea of the new year and
really focusing in here what wewant to work on, and we're not
into new year's resolutions.
We both know that We've talkedabout this on the show before.
We're rather into making lifechanges and setting goals and
challenging ourselves.
(00:34):
I love we did so manychallenges last year in 2023.
Tish (00:39):
Well, Ellen, let me ask you this have you ever been told
you're too much?
Ellen (00:44):
You know, I know you have Tish, but you probably can
guess that I have not.
I have been told more that I'mnice and I've been lucky.
Most things, I think, minimizeme when they're said to me or
that things have come easy to me.
I don't know why people saythat, but you know, I would love
(01:06):
to be told I'm too much Tish tobe really honest with you.
I'm going to set that assomething to work on in 2024.
Tish (01:15):
Well, our guest to Jay, Gina Hatzis, is such an
inspiration because she embracesher too muchness and I've been
following her on TikTok and Ijust love her message of
empowerment.
Now.
Gina has more than 25 years ofexperience as an international
corporate and public speaker,specializing in soulful
(01:37):
leadership, consciouscommunication and epic
empowerment.
Ellen (01:43):
You know, Tish, you turned me on to Gina about four,
I think four or five months ago, and I love her.
She makes my day every day.
She is a confidence andcommunication educator for women
and I think here at Midlife weneed to hear what she has to say
.
She's going to bring thisamazing energy that champions
women to celebrate their toomuchness, and we're going to
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find out what too muchness is aswell and how to be confident
and live regret-free.
So all really good midlifemessages.
But before we get to Gina, youknow I love this part of our
show, Tish, what do you got forme this week?
What is your obsession?
Tish (02:23):
Okay, so it has been raining it feels like almost
nonstop around here, and it's sounusual for the Charlotte area
really and so I'm focusing onsunnier days ahead, and so my
obsession this week is I want toplan a white party for my girl,
tribe here and by pretty whitedresses and go out, and I don't
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know.
It's just something aboutputting together a white party
to kind of celebrate that springis coming.
So that's my obsession thisweek, and I have a couple of
really cute dresses that we'regoing to put links in for.
Ellen (03:00):
I guess it's winter is not coming for you.
When is it over?
Tish (03:05):
When is it over?
I love when it's coming, I lovefall and I love when it's
coming.
But now that the holidays arefinished, I'm like, okay, done,
I'm ready for the warmer weather.
But what about you, ellen?
What is your obsession?
Ellen (03:18):
this week, okay.
Well, I'm going to actuallyshow you my obsession, since
we're on video.
It's the Republic of Tea and Idon't know if you know about
this tea, but it's fabulous.
They have so many flavors.
But I'm addicted now to thisdaily green because I have gone
off coffee here as part of mycan.
Tish (03:37):
you were, I know it's here we go, here we go again.
Ellen (03:41):
I am not nice right now I am not nice, I'm a little salty
, but this daily green ishelping me, the people's daily
green, and this brand is fromright here in Marin County,
where I live.
Gina (03:54):
So check it out.
Ellen (03:55):
We'll put a link If anyone else has gone.
Coffee free for 24, think aboutthe daily green.
Tish (04:03):
I love that.
Well, we're going to welcometoday Gina.
She is a Canadian native author, speaker, coach, host of Once
Upon a Woman.
She has two sales ofintergenerational wisdom events.
She has two viral videos thatamassed over 50 million views.
(04:23):
That is not an easilyaccomplishment and she has been
on global tour as a visionary ofthis too much woman movement,
which is a platform for women tocelebrate their too muchness.
Ellen (04:38):
I mean this is amazing 50 million views.
We are so lucky to have Ginahere today.
I'm just going to say two morethings about her.
She was named Top InspirationalSpeaker by SpeakerSlam in 2021,
top 20 Disruptors of 2022 forDisruptor Magazine, which I
think is amazing, and Woman ofthe Year in 2019 by Soful Image
(05:04):
Magazine.
So so many accolades.
Bring Gina to our show andwelcome Gina.
We are excited to have you asone of our first guests on the
podcast for 2024.
Gina (05:15):
Hello, what an absolute joy to be here, and I'm giggling
as I'm sipping my coffee and inToronto, I'm laughing at your
springtime welcome, because wehave a snowstorm today.
So what a joy to be here, hieverybody oh great.
Tish (05:33):
Now, Gina, I wanted to start with if you could tell our
audience more about this ideaof embracing too muchness.
What does that mean?
Gina (05:46):
Well, if I may, let me just start with a quick little
story.
I was born a too much littlegirl and there was an energy in
me that was too sensitive, tooemotional, too loud, too
dramatic.
And there's an ongoing joke inmy family like I was called the
drama queen up until I wasprobably 22.
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And so there was this story.
There was this feedback that Iwas too much in so many ways,
and as I got a little bit older,those things that were jokes
within our family became marksof shame in my life.
I became too ambitious, I wastoo opinionated Boys don't like
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that.
I was too smart, and so Istarted this collection almost
of pebbles of my too muchnessand I realized that if I was
going to get along and go alongI needed to subdue or change
myself.
And as a public speaker,particularly as a woman, I
started off very young in mycareer.
After I left journalism, I wasa young woman in a sea of
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middle-aged white men and myvivaciousness, my too muchness,
all the parts about me that werewrong, labeled wrong.
I realized I wouldn't havesuccess unless I kind of
assimilated the best I could.
So part of my story is thisevolution of rejecting all the
parts of me that were too much.
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So the fact that I was toosensitive.
I started to become more stoic,I was too dramatic.
I started to subdue all theparts of me that I believed were
wrong about me.
I started to morph and change,and part of one of the viral
videos that you're referring tothe too much woman is the story
of that evolution, where I cameto the point that I realized
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that subduing those parts of mewas actually self-betrayal and
those parts of me were the mostbrilliant, most delicious,
juiciest parts of who I was, andunleashing that really changed
the trajectory of my life.
Tish (07:52):
I love that.
I love that.
You know, as I listened to allof your text talks, Gina, I
found four themes in them, right, and they really kind of
revolved around charisma,confidence, courage and
communication.
And I would love to talk abouthow that, those different topics
(08:13):
, and how do you morph those inwith this idea of too muchness.
You know, what really struck mewas especially the ones about
charisma.
You never hear about peoplebuilding charisma.
You know, this idea thatcharisma is something that can
(08:36):
be cultivated was somethingreally new to me, right?
So I thought that would be areally great place to start.
Gina (08:44):
Yeah, absolutely so what we've learned because my
backgrounds in journalism whatwe learn about charisma is that
it's not something that you'reborn with.
We have this idea that you'vegot it or you don't.
Ellen (08:56):
Someone walks into the room and they fight over it or
they don't.
Gina (08:59):
So you're either one of the lucky ones or you're not.
And what the research tells usis that charisma, while it is
natural for some people, isactually something that can be
learned.
So what is charisma?
Charisma is actually theintersection of warmth and
competence warmth and competence.
So warmth is are you someonethat, when other people are
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around you, they feel relaxed,they feel connected, they want
to lean in, they have a sense oftrust about who you are?
You really see them, you makethem feel at ease?
So that's warmth.
And then there's confidence.
Competences do you have what ittakes?
Can you get the job done?
Do I respect what you bring tothe table?
And what's so fascinating to me,especially working with really
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incredible, brilliant womenaround the world, is we are so
focused on competence.
So I know a lot of people whoare very smart, who have lots of
degrees, who have lots ofaccomplishments, and we're
trying to show ourselves,improve ourselves, and then we
focus less on the warmth andwhat happens is people can see
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that we're credible, that wehave a lot to bring to the table
, but they don't necessarilytrust us.
They don't necessarily, youknow, feel good about us and so
you can be the smartest, mostbrilliant person in the world,
but if people don't trust you,if they don't want to be around
you, work with you, time withyou, then it's a move point.
So it's really understandingthat.
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It's the intersection of thatand then what I teach our cues
on how to elevate one or theother.
Now there are some peopleprobably a lot of your listeners
who excel in terms of warmthattributes.
So warmth, those are all of uswho identify as recovering
people pleasers.
You know, as women weresocialized to be nice, as you
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mentioned, to be the good girls,to keep the peace, to be easy
going, to not ask for too much.
So those are warmthcompetencies, and so we may be
rewarded for those more as women, and so we are at a balance.
So people really enjoy beingaround us.
They think we're fantastic.
However, we often feel likewe're being taken advantage of.
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We feel like we don't have wehave porous boundaries, and so
we have a hard time saying no,and so what we really need in
terms of charisma is a balancebetween the two.
So I help women achieve thebalance that's right for them
and for the circumstance thatthey're in.
Ellen (11:23):
You know, gina, I just have to say I this is something
I've worked on because I am arecovering people please are,
and I have been told I'm niceand I'm warm and I I really took
like six months and I went,instead of working, like you're
saying, on these cues andbalance, I was like I'm just
going to go in the otherdirection, I'm going to start
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with F.
No, all the time it's that'sgoing to be my default for like
six months and I'm going to seewhat changed.
And you know it helped mebecause I think it changed some
people's perception of me.
This was in work, this was in awork environment, but if I had
really understood thisintersectionality of these two
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things that we both we alwaysbring to the table and where
they are, it would have worked alot better.
So I'm I'm really interestedand I know our listeners,
because a lot of us midlifersare recovering people please, or
will be interested to digdeeper in this area.
Definitely interesting for us.
Gina (12:26):
It's also really fascinating for those of us
especially.
Midlife is such and I knowwe'll talk about this, midlife
is really an awakening for a lotof women.
And so we come to a point wherewe're looking back with maybe
some regret, maybe a little bitof wishing that we had done
things differently or that wecould do things differently.
And it's this, it's thistransition.
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It's almost like in the Wizardof Oz when Dorothy gets to the
crossroads and the scarecrow islike which way are you going to
go?
Is it going to be more of thesame, or are we going to do
something different?
And so a lot of women that Iwork with, like you, are like
I've been this way.
I've been a people pleaser ortwo nice my whole life.
I've been the good girl, andI'm going to actually swing the
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pendulum all the way to theother side because I'm I don't
want to be that anymore, and sothat can cause a lot of
repercussions as well, and so wewant to find a place where we
settle somewhere in between.
That's right for you, and Ithink it's different for every
woman.
Ellen (13:24):
Yeah, and I know I read you are too much.
Tish (13:26):
Yes, yeah, I read this article from Vanessa Van Edwards
and she's the author of cuesmaster, the secret language of
charismatic communication, andshe talks about this
groundbreaking study fromPrinceton University and again
she talks about that innersection of warmth and competence
and meeting the unique blendhow, how do you teach people to
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balance things more?
Gina (13:58):
Yeah, so first, first, there's an awareness of where,
where we tend to lean, and it'simportant.
We always start with the wheelof life.
So I just want you to imagine acircle and slicing that circle
up into little slices, like youwould a pizza, because
everything is food related.
For me, every single slice is adifferent area of your life.
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So there's your relationshipwith your work, there's your
relationship with your body,there's your relationship with
your sensuality or sexuality,there's your relationship with
finances, with your relationshipwith relationships, and that
even divvies up further.
You know your workrelationships, your parents,
your kids, your spouse, yourfriends.
There's your relationship withyour spirituality, and you can
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really slice it up as much asyou want.
And then getting really curiousin those spaces in terms of
where you sit, where the dynamicsits.
I know some women who tend tobe very warm in relationships,
or swing warm in romanticrelationships, where they tend
to soften.
They have porous boundaries,they tend to be a little bit
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more comfortable with it, maybepick people who aren't available
for them, but then, when itcomes to work, the quotient is
flipped and they tend to be alittle bit more on the competent
and less warm side, and so Ithink it's really important to
get curious about the differentareas of your life and what's
not working for you.
Again, it's different foreverybody.
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So one of the measures that Ireally like to start with and
this is going to kind of steerus in this, I think it's
important to mark is when Istart working with women and we
look at that wheel of life, whatI ask them to do is to rate
themselves in terms of how muchthey trust themselves in each of
these areas on a scale of oneto 10.
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So my work is really rooted inself trust.
How much do you trust you?
And a lot of people think selftrust is about do I?
Do I know that I'm going toaccomplish something?
Do I know that I'm going to besuccessful?
But I define it as the assuredreliance that I will do right by
me, that in any given instance,I will do right by me.
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I will have my own back.
So if you use that measurementand go around that wheel and ask
yourself, how much do I trustmyself when it comes to my
finances?
How much do I trust myself whenit comes to romantic
relationships, what we start tosee are areas where we don't
trust ourselves as much in areaswhere we do so.
We want to start in the areaswhere we feel less trust,
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because what you'll notice isthere's a direct correlation
between the areas where youdon't trust yourself and your
level of confidence in that area.
And charisma is really buildingour confidence muscle in any
one area.
It's being able to step intorelationship, work, the office,
the bedroom, the boardroom andbeing able to show up for
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yourself.
So connecting self trustingconfidence is where I start.
So wherever on that wheel oflife you have the lowest grade
for yourself, that's where welike to start.
And then I start to ask morecurious questions what, what is
going on there?
Where are they in terms of thewarmth and competence scale?
And then I start to teachspecific habits where they can
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build up one or the other.
Ellen (17:11):
I love this idea, gina, and I think that's a really
important work at midlife and,of course, at any stage of life.
But really, like you said,we're at this crossroads, at
midlife, and I think reallyunderstanding this, rating your
trust and then showing up foryourself are such big parts of,
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you know, having this bestmidlife and maybe doing things
differently.
So I think some really gooddeep work for our listeners to
do here.
But let's move on to courage,because we could talk to you all
day, I can tell you, we couldtalk to you all day long.
I have a favorite quote fromBrene Brown courage and daring
are coursing through your veins.
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You were made to live in lovewith your whole heart.
It's time to show up and beseen.
So tell us about courage forwomen at midlife.
Gina (18:06):
My favorite quote I'm going to add one to the mix here
is by the late great doctor, myAngela, who says courage is the
most important virtue becausewithout it we can't practice any
other virtue.
And so when I look at my corevalues, I do work, intentional
work with clients to really lookat their five top core values.
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For me, courage is the top ofthe list always, and what I
recognize for myself in midlifeis that again it comes back to
self trust.
If I want to change anything atthis course in my life, if I'm
looking back at the first halfsaying, hmm, what did I like,
what didn't I like, what do Iwant more of, what do I want
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less of, it requires courage.
Now, courage isn't somethingthat we just flip a switch and
decide we're going to becourageous that day.
It's very romantic to thinkthat courage is something just
snap our fingers or wave a magicwand and have.
Courage comes from a deepseated, rooted sense of self
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trust.
And again I want to go back toit's not the courage to say I'm
going to speak up at work moreor I'm going to speak up and
hold stronger boundaries.
It's not knowing that that'sgoing to turn out the way we
want it to.
But it goes back to self trust.
Courage means I'm going tospeak up and I trust that, no
matter what happens, I will havemy back, I will do right by me.
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And so I think courage and selftrust really go hand in hand.
How can we be courageous if wedon't trust that we will be able
to manage whatever the otherside of the equation shows up
for us?
On the other side of couragebecause courage, as romantic as
it is, you know we can say wewant to be courageous and speak
up at home or at work, butthere's going to be some fallout
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.
So courage is right.
Do I trust myself to followthrough and be able to do what I
need to do?
Tish (20:01):
on the other side of that, I know courage for me is kind
of this letting go and gettingcomfortable and familiar with
kind of taking this leap into anunknown right.
But I think that's one lifegets really interesting and fun.
We take that leap.
You know how?
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What can women do to startbuilding themselves, to be more
courageous right and to getcomfortable with taking those
leaps?
Gina (20:34):
What's most important.
I know that there's a lot ofenergy around the idea of
courage and we think of courageas like running and jumping off
a cliff, like taking thesemassive leaps into our life,
like I'm going to quit my job,I'm going to leave the marriage,
I'm going to write the book,I'm going to start a podcast,
like whatever that big thing is.
(20:55):
However, for me, courage reallybegins in the smallest moments.
Courage is facing my regret.
Courage is having the difficultconversation with a friend
where I feel like she hasn'tbeen reciprocating the energy in
relationship.
Courage is me gettingconfronting my health and
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getting very honest about whatI've let go and what changes I
need to make.
So for me, the very first stepis courageously being honest
with ourselves about what weneed are being mad, and so I
know it's very exciting and it'sit's way more fun to talk about
being courageous in big ways.
What I'm interested for womenis to demonstrate to themselves
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that they can be courageous insmall ways, because again, I'm
going to beat this like a deadhorse, but it's these small
measures of courage build ourself trust muscles.
So I want you to imagine asmidlife women for the first half
of our lives.
Many of us have played small.
Many of us have prioritizedother people, their needs, their
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wants.
It could be kids, it could beour family, it could be our
parents, it could be society.
And so here we come, to midlifeand we're like it's my time,
it's my turn, right.
But it's like going to the gymand not having lifted weights in
20, 30, 40 years and suddenlygoing I'm going to lift this big
weight like our muscles arelike.
Hold on.
(22:26):
So these small measures of selftrust build our courage muscle,
and it starts with five pounds.
And maybe that first fivepounds is sitting with yourself
and getting clear about changesyou want to make, or looking at
your health, or, and maybe thenit's 10 pounds, we're actually
going to make a plan to meetwith someone to strategize your
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nutrition or or check into yourmenopause symptoms and what do I
want to do about this.
And then maybe it's 15 pounds,which is, you know, committing
to some other measures.
So for me, courage reallybegins with the small, small
steps with ourselves and thenand then branching out from
there.
Tish (23:10):
I like how you started courage with internally and
building on and building thatconfidence and then you can do
things that are kind of outsideof yourself.
But I love this idea becausethat's like a new one to me
building courage from within.
Ellen (23:28):
For me too, tish and Tina , I have to say I love that.
It's small.
We've talked a lot about atomichabits and some other things on
our show, microjoys.
It's starting internally, likeTish said, with ourselves.
It's being courageous withourselves, not with grand
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gestures, and I think I alwaysthink of courage as grand
gestures and for me, I'd lovefor this idea of courage and
building this muscle to becomesecond nature to me here at
Midlife.
I think that that could be areally important skill to build
and to learn.
Gina (24:10):
It also makes it more sustainable.
I just want to say, when womenfinally come to work with me,
oftentimes they are at acrossroads for themselves and
they're up against the wall andthey're desperate.
There's a sense of desperationand the feeling is I'm so
desperate, I need to make areally big change.
I need to shape my head or geta tattoo or quit my job or leave
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my marriage.
There's this sense and Ibelieve that social media has a
hand in that.
There's this romanticizing ofchanging our life, this big
upheaval, and at the same time,I think that's not sustainable,
because we throw ourselves intothese big changes without really
thinking through theimplication.
And maybe we are successful atthose things, maybe we do decide
(24:57):
to sign up for a marathon andwe run it, but that's not
sustainable.
Ongoing what's most sustainableis to and we can have those big
dreams and goals.
That's wonderful too.
And what makes it sustainableand we've learned this from
Atomic Habits, we've learnedthis in so many ways is making
small, incremental changes andthen noticing at the end of the
year wow, how far we've come.
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So that's super exciting to me.
Tish (25:21):
And I love how you're talking about a lot of these
concepts that they intertwine.
These aren't all by themselveson an island, so I want to pivot
to talking about confidence,and we're into reading a lot of
supporting stuff.
So I read this article from May2023 from a UK publication
called Telegraph and it talksabout the midlife confidence
(25:45):
crash and this article citesburnout and anxiety and
self-doubt are the new midlifecrisis.
It's not that going out andrunning out and buying a sports
car that shows that midlifepressure, but there are serious
signs that can prompt what youwere saying.
You shouldn't do thiscourageous leap into the unknown
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.
It starts small, but thiscrisis can prompt these huge
U-turns in your job or your life.
Ellen (26:19):
I just have to say, as somebody who's been in
technology for years, I do feelmore distressed and self-doubt
in the workplace, and I see whyat midlife this can happen.
So I really am interested, gina, to hear what you have to say
about this.
Gina (26:39):
So this is such an exciting topic to me.
Oh my gosh, I wish we had hourstogether.
What's fascinating to me iswhen we are approaching midlife
and it doesn't happen in a day.
We think there's a switch andwe've arrived, I'm here, but
there's this slow.
I know for me.
I'm in my very late 40s, sothere's a slow burn.
(27:02):
There's this slow.
It's almost like this doom,this cloud that's like, and I
can brush it away in my late 30sand maybe early 40s, and then
it won't shut up anymore.
And what it was for me.
And again, the women that I'veworked with and I won't speak
for every woman, but what I hearoften is that there's a falling
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away of these old measurementsof success, these old
expectations of what we think itmeans to be a woman.
And suddenly we come to thisplace where we're like measuring
myself by chasing that title,chasing that body, that figure,
that idealization of beauty,like chasing.
(27:44):
These measurements aren'tworking for me anymore, like
that's not doing it for meanymore.
So now what?
And it's really the rebuildingof our North Star, it's really
the rebuilding of.
What are the new measurementsof?
And I hate to use the wordsuccess, but what are the gauges
that I'm doing okay and I'mdoing well, because if we
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continue to measure ourselvesagainst the old standards, we're
going to always feel like we'refalling short.
Right, because we can't keep upwith that.
So, for me again, the work thatI do with women is to really
give them a compass, a blueprintof their North Star, and the
way that I found it to be mostimpactful and most powerful is
to really get clear on what yourtop core values are.
(28:28):
And if I could just say onething about this, a lot of women
when I was on tour I was on aglobal tour for three years
before the pandemic hit then Iwould ask hundreds, thousands of
women what's most important toyou?
And there's a knee jerk,automatic knee jerk response,
top five answers.
It's like health, family beinga good person, my kids doing
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good work in the world.
Like there was not even athought, that's just what we
said.
And then, when I would sit withthem and we would take it down
a notch and really breathe intothat space and provide a little
bit of playfulness and curiosity, there's way more than that,
and so what I've learned is thatwe are living by values that
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our parents have given us.
We were raised by values.
I was raised in a home whereone of their values was security
and safety.
You make safe decisions, youpay off your mortgage, you find
a nice guy to marry, you get thedegree you work out like safe
choices, and I woke up in my 30saying why am I not happy?
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I made all the safe choices, Ihave the merit, I'm doing all
the right things, but I'm nothappy.
So once I discovered my corevalues, while I do care about
safety and security, it's not mytop five In.
My top five are courage,freedom, self-expression, and so
when I understood that and Istarted to make decisions based
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around those things, that's whenthings started to shift for me,
and so I challenge women atmidlife.
This is such a good exercise.
There's lots of ways to do it.
I have some suggestions that Ican share with you.
I can send you some references,but really get clear on your
top five core values.
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You can value 100 things, butyou can't live by 100 values.
I can value safety and I canvalue risk and courage, but at
some point they're going tocross each other up.
So I've got to decide what'smost important, and when I know
that, then I spend my midlifelooking at making decisions in
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alignment with my core values.
And one final thing our senseof fulfillment, happiness, joie
de vivre, our sense of purposecomes from how aligned we are
with our core values.
But most of us don't know whatthey are.
We're just living by the valuesof our parents, by society and
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by the world at large.
Tish (30:58):
And don't you think at midlife, our core values have
shifted.
Some, like the core values thatwe hung on to when we're
raising small children, are nowdifferent than when we launched
them into the world, and I thinkthat's where this uneasiness
for women comes from is.
Wait a minute.
I aligned myself and who Ithought I was based on, all
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these other people that I takecare of in my life, and that
midlife shines this light on.
Excuse me, who are you?
What's important?
Ellen (31:30):
and and I love this idea of Really reevaluating what
those core values are- I agree,tish and Gina, and you know, I
know we've said this phrase Alsoon the podcast if not now, when
we are at midlife and I cannotwait to do this core value
Exercise, gina, because I'm Ithink it's gonna be fascinating,
(31:53):
I don't think it's gonna bewhat I would I would spout off
those same five that those womenon your global tour did.
But now I know Conversations.
This is you have to have thiscongruence, nists of these core
values, this alignment to, tohave joy, confidence, you know,
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all of these things, couragethat we're talking about today.
So I like this is kind of thefoundational piece, right.
Gina (32:25):
And there's a lot of one thing I'll say because I do this
work Constantly with women andthey're always shocked, first of
all, at what comes up.
I mean shocked in that, wow,that's so true, it's like that's
me, this is who I am, this isthe blueprint.
It all makes sense now and alsoshocked at how Unconsciously
they've been living according toother values.
(32:47):
But what's interesting is Iwant to say this about core
values, and this is where thework gets really interesting is
we have put a value system, asense of rightness, morality,
around certain core values.
So if you ask any parent whattheir core values are and if
they're, one of their corevalues isn't parenting or family
or prioritizing their kids,there's a sense of doom and
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shame around that, like Rightand wrong for values.
Like we as a society support awoman whose core value is her
family or even health.
Health is such a moral.
People always think that healthhas to be their top core value,
like it should be.
And so when we start to softena little bit and allow ourselves
again this goes back to couragea little honesty around what is
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true for me right now, and youmake such a great point To show
that this changes, so I alwaysinvite women.
I like to do it on my birthday.
I always reevaluate my corevalues and sometimes they shape
shift a little bit, and theyshould.
You know, I have two childrenwho are teenagers.
My core values have certainlyshifted in the course of of
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their growth.
Give yourself permission to toshape shift.
Tish (34:01):
Yeah.
Ellen (34:02):
I love that idea and you know I'm a recent empty nester
and I feel like Everything'schanged at this point.
And you'll get there, Gina.
Gina (34:11):
To One is out and the other six more months, so go.
Ellen (34:18):
You are right on the cost , all right.
So let's get to our final C,which is communication, and I
feel like the way I communicatehas changed so much at midlife.
I am so much more direct andand authentic and real in my
communication, and I've oftenheard this.
You know, the older we get, theless filters come on our
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Communication.
What about you, tish?
What do you think about yourcommunications?
Tish (34:43):
Here's the thing I think communication has changed so
drastically with social mediaand, and people are texting and
there's less face-to-faceconversations.
I think, just in general, how,how we communicate has changed
greatly, and sometimes there's alot of conflict that comes from
(35:03):
that.
You see these social mediaposts and you're like, oh, I'm
not living up to this grandwhatever, and so I think we need
to go back.
For me, I think we need to goback to a time of Communicating
more directly.
Ellen (35:20):
I like that and I know, gina, I watched one of your tip
talks where you talk about thefive things to stop doing in
Communication, so maybe you canshare that while we chat about
communication.
I really enjoyed that.
Gina (35:35):
Yeah, well, one thing I will say about communication,
particularly at midlife, thewomen who come to me.
They're like I don't care.
I've come to a point where Idon't care, like no filter, I'm
gonna say what I.
And while I champion women beingmore honest, more vocal, more
self-expressed, givingthemselves really permission to
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say what they need, what theyfeel, what they want.
So all of that, yes, and thisactually takes us full circle
back to the first C, which ischarisma, because Understanding
what great communication isabout is understanding how to
get your point across in a waythat the other person will
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receive it.
So it's not just saying what'son your mind and flipping the
finger to everyone.
Great communicator, because I'mauthentic and I say what's on
my mind.
Well, yeah, relationships, thequality of our relationships,
determine the quality of ourlives, as Esther Perrell tells
us, and so we can burn a lot ofbridges that way in the name of
(36:43):
self-expression and honesty andmidlife giving no, not giving a
rat, if I may.
So what I'm interested in is howcan we communicate Powerfully?
How can we communicate what'son our mind?
What we need be direct and doit in a way that doesn't shut
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down communication, because whatis the point of going around
burning down, bombing, you know,bridges and relationships and
friendships and marriages andand businesses so many of us are
entrepreneurs and business.
What's the point of doing thatin the name of self-expression
If we're gonna destroyrelationships, the very thing
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that is the essence of life.
So back to charisma.
Full circle moment is how do wecommunicate, communicate
effectively, but maintain thewarmth and integrity that's
necessary to build relationships?
I think it's possible.
It's not black and white.
We can do both, and that's whatI care about teaching people.
Tish (37:45):
Oh my gosh, that is really a full circle moment.
This idea, and again we keepshowing how all four of these
are interconnected.
You can't have one on an islandby itself.
You can't just work on beingcharismatic and not learning how
to communicate within thoseconfounds.
To me, these are basic things,but it's like earth-shattering
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putting all this stuff together.
That's what's so exciting forme about this.
Ellen (38:20):
I agree, tish.
I feel like Gina.
Covering these three forces hasreally made me hungry and more
curious.
That's what I love is when wefind something that speaks to us
so much On every one of thesefour areas.
I have learned something todaythat I am going to immediately
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put into practice.
I just want to say thank youfor that, because that is really
profound.
Tish (38:52):
Gina, can you tell our listeners how they can follow
you?
What are the different ways,such as your masterclasses
series, that you have?
What are some ways that peoplecan follow you and start
learning from some of this?
Gina (39:07):
Thank you so much.
I love when other people getjust as excited as I do and I
geek out on these things.
Thank you so much for thatfeedback.
People can find me acrosssocial media.
Social media, in a lot of ways,is a way that in midlife that
we can connect.
We know that women in community, we need community.
Sometimes all we have is avirtual community.
(39:29):
I'm very present on my socials.
You can find me on InstagramGina has to see.
You can find me on Facebook,just Google me.
You'll find me on TikTok.
I'm very present on my socials.
I'm very responsive.
In each one of those spacesthere is a link in the bio and
it lists a series ofmasterclasses I teach in each of
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these areas, each of these Csthat we've discussed.
I teach separate masterclasses.
They're very affordable, veryaccessible.
You get them for life.
They're 90-minute sessions withme, pre-recorded, that
specifically look at differentareas that we've talked about
today and gives you a deeperdive into skill sets.
(40:10):
What I care about this is awonderful conversation.
I've got goosebumps the wholetime because I loved talking
about this.
This is the essence ofempowerment.
The question then becomes howdo I do it?
Give me the practice.
What do I do tomorrow when Iwake up?
What do I do tomorrow when I goto work and I need to talk to
my boss or I need to confront mykid?
(40:31):
What do I actually do?
The masterclasses are a deeperdive into each of these areas.
That's really great if you'renot ready for doing it working
one-on-one or if you can't catchme at a live event, but that's
really the place to start.
Ellen (40:47):
I love that.
Gina, I know that you also havea journal as one of your
offerings.
Tisha and I are journal people.
How many times have we talkedabout journaling, Tisha?
Tish (41:00):
We have collections of journals.
Ellen (41:02):
Yeah, but I'm definitely going to say I wanted to make a
journal.
Gina (41:06):
I know for a lot of my clients they either love
journaling or they're burnt outfrom journaling, because it's
like I need a direction.
This particular journalactually just is hot off the
press from just before the newyear.
It's called 100 Days of MakingSpace for Me.
There's one journal prompt aday for 100 days and the intent
(41:29):
is to build self-confidence andself-trust.
How do I make space for me?
You get one prompt a day andthat gives you at least a little
bit of direction in terms ofwhat am I going to sit down and
write about today.
And then there's someintentionality behind it.
Tish (41:45):
It sounds great, yeah, Now Gina, we always ask our guests
that come on a question.
We want to hear what do youthink your superpower is?
Gina (41:59):
Oh, it's undoubtedly my too muchness.
It's the understanding that allthe parts of me and I feel
emotional just saying this, I'vesaid it maybe a thousand times
and it's never changed that allthe parts that my whole life I
was told in word or action thatwere wrong about me are actually
the parts that are so right.
(42:19):
Anybody who's listening to this.
I really hope that you justtake a moment and just let this
settle deep into your bones Insome way.
We've been told that we arewrong.
Who we are is wrong, whetherit's on the side of being too
much or on the flip side, whichis the same.
Point being not enough, we'retold that we're wrong.
(42:43):
My superpower is really leaninginto those areas where my whole
life I have suppressed,condensed, dismissed, overlooked
, betrayed myself and reallyheld it up to the light, dyed my
hair red, let my clean show andjust show up fully, fully,
fully, fully, having the courage, the audacity to lean into
(43:08):
those parts of myself.
That's my superpower, and it'snot because of all the things
that it does for me.
That's certainly very fun andexciting, but it's understanding
that, as women, the permissionwe give one another.
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard a woman say this to
me message me and say I saw youand I thought maybe I could be
(43:32):
that too.
That is the reason.
Tish (43:35):
That is the reason.
Oh my gosh, that gives mechills.
That statement alone gives mechills, because I don't think we
do enough of empowering eachother Right, and so many times
we get into the mantra of what'sacceptable in society and
what's not and we kind of beatdown each other.
But this idea that you'veunleashed in women yes, it's
(43:59):
okay to be too much, but thatyou also see, in building these
different things such ascharisma, we can do it in ways,
refined ways, things like wesaid before, small ways, little
one at a time, ways to do it.
Ellen (44:18):
We also always ask everybody, our guests, if they
have any final thoughts formidlife women, anything that
really stands out to you fromour conversation today.
Gina (44:29):
Yeah, my gut, I'm just going to go with my intuitive
hit is.
One of my recent passions is anew project I'm working on
called Once Upon a Woman Talesof Intergenerational Wisdom.
Currently it's a live event inToronto, but the methodology
behind it that was a shapeshifter for me is recognizing in
(44:50):
midlife that number onecommunity is everything.
As women, we naturallygravitate towards wanting to be
in community.
But what happened?
And certainly through thepandemic and for so many other
reasons, we're so busy and maybewe catch a girlfriend and go
for wine or we do all theselittle things as treats for
(45:12):
ourselves.
Not recognizing that community,whether it's virtual or live, is
essential.
But Once Upon a Woman is aboutis actually daring yourself, to
mix it up a little bit.
So what that means is maybe youhave a bestie that you always
see.
That's wonderful, but whatother communities of women can
(45:35):
you be around to start toinspire you in the second half
of your life?
So Once Upon a Woman is aboutintergenerational conversations.
What can we learn from oneanother?
There are women in their 60sand 70s that I cherish as
beacons of experience and wisdom, and my 17 year old daughter
(45:56):
has wisdom and perspective thatI could not have because of the
life that she lived and howshe's grown in this in this
century, and so it's soimportant for me to emphasize
community, but also diversitywithin community.
Get out there and try to beintentional with the people that
you hang out with and reallytry to find some variety to
(46:20):
enrich your midlife.
Ellen (46:25):
I don't think I could have said anything better than
community and intergenerationalinfluences and diversity of who
you hang out with.
To bring new thinking, newthoughts abroad in your horizons
here at Midlife is so important, bina, thank you so much, and
(46:47):
as we wrap up today's show, Ijust want to tell our listeners
we're going to put links toeverything in our show notes, so
it'll be really easy foreveryone to find all the
different resources that we'vetalked about today.
Tish (47:01):
You know it.
Just, it really warms my heartto that.
We really saw how the foreseesall interconnect and how
important that is to recognizethat right, and I think our
message today and every day isthat we determine who we're
going to be at Midlife.
And part of that is aboutcontinued growth and where
(47:26):
better to start than charisma,confidence, courage and
communication.
And so my challenge to ourlisteners today is to let 2024
be that year that you focus onthese foresees and embrace your
too much woman.
Ellen (47:46):
I love it.
And, hey, everybody follow Ginaon her socials, whether you're
on TikTok or Instagram.
You'll be glad you did, becauseevery day she brings me some
joy.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, no, thank you for joiningus today and keep doing what
you're doing to empower womenall around the world.
We are so lucky to have youhere with us today and again,
(48:10):
thank you Absolutely joy, oh mygoodness.
Gina (48:13):
And thank you to everybody for investing their time and to
you, ladies, for doing the workthat you do.
We all have a hand in theseripples.
So such a pleasure, thank you.
Ellen (48:23):
All right Till next week, midlifeers.
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