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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to the
Positively Midlife Podcast, a
podcast that celebrates thejoyous challenges and surprises
of our wonderful midlife years.
I'm Ellen, your co-host, and weare ready to dive into the
world of books with you today,and I'm Tish.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You know, ellen,
there's nothing quite like
finding that perfect winter read.
It's too cozy up with, you know, these nights are so cold and
so long, and so it's justnothing like having a good book,
but it's also a great way tokeep yourself company if you
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have a long drive, right?
So today we are so excited toshare our top picks for great
winter reads for 2024.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Tish, I know you have
been listening to books now
that your job has you on theroad quite a bit right.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, and I'm loving
it, you know, and I've even
joined a book club, woohoo, yay.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh my goodness, I am
just loving it that you've
joined a book group.
You know how much I love mybook group and you've even come
to it before, so I am so gladyou've joined one close to home,
and I cannot wait to dig in tothe reasons behind this as we
get into the episode and to findout what you're reading.
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But first, you know I love thispart of the show.
Let's get to our weeklyobsessions.
What do you got for me, Tish?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know I've got
kind of a crazy one.
Ellen, did you even know thatyou could purchase a three
bedroom home off of Amazon?
It comes all like.
It's like it's.
It's the walls yeah, it'sprefab, but the walls pull out
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and it's movable and it'saffordable.
You can buy one of theseprefabs, put up yourself, and
there's a, and when we put thelink in here, you're going to
see a little video to show youhow easy it is to put the walls
up and expand this little place,but it's $25,000.
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Three bedroom, one bathportable home.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That's some little,
tiny little house.
You could just park somewhereon your property, right?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You know I'm
foreseeing our girl tribe
getting getting a whole bunch ofthese somewhere all together.
But you know you can just buyabout anything off of Amazon.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Including a house.
That is crazy, crazy.
Well, we will put a link tothat.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm telling you,
probably you and I can't put
that together, but I'm sure somehandy people can put that
together.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wait till you see the
video.
I'm telling you.
It's like lifting up a tape.
You know how?
Those folding tables yes, it'slike the same concept, oh my
goodness, wait till, you see it.
The guy does it very simply onhis own.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
All right, I will
look at the video and we will
put the video in our show notes.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So any of our
mid-lifers out there looking for
a portable home.
We got ya, we got your backthis week.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, ellen.
What about you?
What is your obsession thisweek?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know, I always
love how different our
obsessions are.
Rarely in almost 100 episodeshave our obsessions crossed in
any conceivable way.
So this week I have anobsession, which are these CRZ
yoga pants.
But these pants are wide leg,they have pockets and the leg is
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30 inches long, so they're abit flowy, like you know.
This style now is coming intothe spring Are these wider leg?
They look amazing.
They come in eight colors.
I got them in like an olivegreen.
I'm wearing them with a whitetee and a crop jean jacket to my
office with sneakers.
It's the ultimate, you know,casual workplace vibe going on
(04:28):
with these pants and they lookbetter than sweat pants or yoga
pants.
But they feel like yoga pants,you know.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So all the feel of
the yoga pants, but the a little
bit more stylish so you canwear it other places.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Love that you could
wear them out on the road on a
date with friends or just, youknow, popping around doing
errands.
But I wore them to the officelast week and everybody told me
how cute they were.
So CRZ yoga four-way stretch.
We will have a link in our shownotes.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Loved them.
You know what I think is sofunny, though?
We never share what ourobsessions are with each other
until we're on the recordingright, so we never coordinate it
.
So and you can tell, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You can tell.
You can tell.
I think that's so funny, allright.
Well, let's start and diveright into our books, because we
have a lot now that you arebeing a big reader.
I love it, you're bringing acouple great reads to the table
tonight.
So we're going to start with abook that my book group decided
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to read this month and it's abook that's creating quite a
buzz.
It's Erasure by Alex Thompson,and the book is almost 20 years
old.
But there is anacademy-nominated film called
American Fiction, which isamazing If you have not seen it.
It's based on this book and Ithink there's two or three
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academy-award actors within thismovie and I can say it was one
of the best movies I saw in 2023.
So my book group we were justdiscussing the film after
talking about our last book lasttime we were going to read
another book, but we all saidlet's go back and read this book
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because the movie was so good.
So, tish, have you seen themovie or heard of the book?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I haven't even heard
of either, to be honest.
So I am excited to kind of,because it sounds so interesting
.
So just give us a summary ofwhat the story is all about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
OK, well, it is more
of like an.
Already it wasn't one of thosebig mainstream blockbuster kind
of books but Thelonious or Monkhis name is Monk.
Ellison's literary career he isthe main protagonist is in
decline.
His latest book, which wassuper boring, was rejected by 17
publishers, even though he hadhad critical acclaim in the past
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.
And he watches with a ton offrustration as a novel about
life in the ghetto by a barelyexperienced author played by
Issa Rae, but not in the book.
She gains rapid success andhe's having challenges
everywhere in his personal life,in his love life, in his career
and his mother is deterioratingfrom Alzheimer's and his dad
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had killed himself.
And it is just a family andcultural saga.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Wow, I mean that just
sounds like such a deep journey
into the life of thisprotagonist.
And you know, struggling withyour identity in a world that is
constantly trying to likewhether it's label you or define
you, can be such a challenge.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Totally, and you know
, I think that this is a book
about self-exploration, hisfight to remain true against,
you know, financial and societalpressures.
I'm only halfway through thebook and I'm loving it.
It is not a big book either forsome of us who you know some
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people like to read 600 pages,some others like a couple
hundred.
It's an easy read.
You can't put it down becausethe book is old.
I got mine at the library Supereasy and I think the movie
seeing the movie first has nottaken anything away from me from
the experience of reading thisbook.
So I'm going to highlyrecommend it.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, I'm definitely
going to put it on my list and I
think when they're makingmovies now of books, I think
they're trying to stay true tothe stories, because people get
so disappointed when it's sodifferent and stuff like that.
So it's good to hear that it'spretty on track for the.
If you've seen the movie, stillworth reading the book.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, and you know,
film is art, just the same way a
book is.
So if you don't want to read it, go see the movie.
I mean we can put it either way.
All right, tish, I have to sayI am so excited to move on to
your first pick of the night nowthat you're a book club member.
So what do you got for us?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
here.
Well, this was our March bookclub book and I'm already
finished with it, and it's theWomen by Kristen Hannah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh, I've seen this,
it's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I see it Right, it's
exploding everywhere, and it is
such a totally captivating bookabout, let alone, vietnam right,
wow Not something I wouldnormally pick up right.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But of course, when
you know I think that's the
beauty of a book club you readthings you wouldn't normally
pick for yourself, right?
So the point of view revolvesaround this main character who
volunteers to go to Vietnam veryearly on, before all the
controversy, as an Army nurse.
And I'm going to tell you thisis a must read book.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Wow, you know, I just
have to go back to that point
you made.
One of the reasons I left mybook group is they push me to
read things I wouldn't choosemyself and I love that aspect.
But you know, tish, we wereboth born in 1965.
I'm putting it out there foreveryone that was the year the
US entered the Vietnam War andwe were only 10, or not even 10,
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when it ended.
So there's a lot about that warthat we were too young to
understand when it was happening, really the deep implications
and really how it divided ourcountry.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know, I know we
learn later about what Vietnam
was, but I don't think I reallyfully appreciated the emotional
nuances until I read this book.
So Frankie, who was our maincharacter, went over as a very
innocent, idealistic kid and heridea was she was going to
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follow her brother over toVietnam because he had enlisted
and she was just going to serveher country, right?
And then she witnesses suchatrocities that she barely knows
how to process them.
And once they return, the vetswere treated like pariah people,
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yelling and screaming at them,calling them baby killers.
She finds out her parents hadlied and said she was studying
abroad.
Oh, my goodness, her own parentswere embarrassed to tell people
she was there, that she hadrisked her life to be there.
And she comes back and peopleare spitting on her.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
What a horrific
experience.
First of all, that happenedobviously to many, many people
who served our country and cameback during Vietnam, but what a
confusing time for both ourcountry and for the folks that
served.
And this book sounds amazing,Tish.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know, the
struggle is made personal as we
watch our main character, thisgood girl, Frankie McGrath.
She is raised in thisidealistic Southern California I
mean, she lives off the beach,you know Right and she then has
to come to terms with who shebecomes after her experience in
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time in Vietnam.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know, I had a
feeling you were going to say
she was from California and Iwas thinking she was kind of
maybe from some more hippie kindof parents, right, no, and the
others that may know.
Okay, well, very conservative.
I mean, this book soundsfascinating and like it has a
lot of layers to it and I thinkher struggles are really common
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for many vets, male and female,but there's even less known like
about the struggles of the10,000, I think it was women who
served in Vietnam.
I mean, this is really newmaterial for me, I think, you
know, with Forrest Gump and alot of things we've seen in
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media, in film, but not a lotthat I've known of about women.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So this story is
going to give you that personal
insight, and it is sprinkledwith some love interest as well.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So Ooh, okay, okay.
You know what they say.
There's got to be a little bitof that to really give a spice.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
The za za zoo.
We want the za za zoo.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But it brings
everything.
So I can't, I can't recommendthis book enough.
This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, Kristen, Hannah
the women, I have to say when
you told me about this book, Iof course went right on my
library online and I think I'mlike number 210 on the waiting
list for you know, eight or 10copies in Marin County.
So I may have to give in andbuy this one because it sounds
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so good, Tish.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And for those again
because I drive so much.
I did listen to it on tape andsomebody else in my book group
who does the on you knowlistening to it on Audible said
that the reader of this one islike one of the top readers, so
that part of it was great for meas well.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I love that, I know.
Last year, when we both readViola Davis's autobiography, the
, the narration really made it.
Right, it can really make orbreak an Audible book, so that's
even better.
All right.
Well, I am going to bring up mysecond book here, and it's a
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bit different than that.
This book is called Tom Lake,by Anne Patchett, and it's her
13th novel.
I cannot believe it.
She is one of my favoriteauthors.
I've read, I think, everythingshe's written, but this was one
of the first books I've readthat was set during the pandemic
and it's about a family on acherry farm in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh, wow, you know the
idea of what.
You know.
I think this book, what I'veheard a lot about because I have
not had a chance to read it,but I had heard that it it's
this idea of what it means to behappy even when the rest of the
world is falling apart.
You know so, these ideas ofhearing about, like, how people
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made the best out of the timeduring the pandemic.
You know so I love that.
That.
That that's, you know, thewhole theme of the book.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, it's really one
of the prevalent themes and I'm
going to tell you, this bookdid not disappoint.
Again, not a huge book, so forthose of, for those of you out
there that don't want to readfor 600 pages, it seemed pretty
idyllic to me to be secluded ona farm during the pandemic with
your family.
You know, before I read thebook, I was like, hmm, that's
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like a pretty good, pretty goodway to spend the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, and I think we
were all, like you know,
sequestered in a way you know,but but yes, how nice to have a
big farm to do it on right.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And again kind of
share with us an overview about
what this story is about.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Okay.
So as I said in the in, duringthe pandemic in Northern
Michigan and I guess I must beone of the only people in the
world that don't know thatcherries and sweet cherries come
from Michigan that it's a hugething so I learned that.
But in the book it's the springof 2020 and our main character,
lara, her three daughters, areback at the farm.
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The family, orchard One, livesthere to have come home and
while picking cherries because alot of their help, you know, is
unavailable.
So the family dives in to helpthe dad, you know, the three
daughters and Lara, and they begher to tell them the story of
this famous movie actor, peterDuke, that she shared a stage in
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like a you know kind of summertheater and a romance before she
married their dad, and thetheater company name and town
was called Tom Lake.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh, okay, so Tom Lake
is not a person.
No, okay.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So I mean she recalls
the past for them and her
daughters kind of compare theirown lives and relationships to
her and really everyone kind ofreconsider the world.
I mean it was such a heavy timefor all of us, right Tish, and
they thought they knew the storyabout her and this actor and at
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least you know I wasenvisioning him as George
Clooney or Brad Pitt or Tom Cruz, you know a mega star in my
mind right, and so it was reallya great book.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Oh, I love that.
So you know, this idea thatwe're starting to see the
pandemic used in stories.
I think this is so importantbecause it was so impactful and
stuff.
But I also love the idea ofthis story of sharing our past
with our children and you know Iwould.
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I wish I have my mom around nowto ask her about like her early
on romances.
I don't ever remember hearingher talk about it and I can't
even see my sons even wanting tohear about my past, maybe my
daughter, maybe my daughter.
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But yeah, yeah.
But I do sharing the story, thefamily story.
I think that storytelling haslost a lot, but during the
pandemic, when we had to kind ofreally look in at our family
unit and depend on our familyunit more and more, maybe that's
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going to reignite the tellingof the stories.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I know I love family
lore and family stories and,
like you, my mom is gone.
I wish I had been at a point inmy life to to savor it more and
to question her more.
But what's interesting here?
Unlike us, she has dated a megamovie star, which makes her
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story so intriguing for herdaughters and for me.
The way the book is written.
It's so interesting to see whatshe shares with them, how she
picks and chooses, how she editssome things out.
And even you know what happened.
Her husband knew.
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You know the big actor, Duke.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But you know she
edits because some of it is just
private, some of it's justpersonal, you know, I think I
think in just all of our storiesand all of our lives that
little jewel that you keep justto yourself, because that's what
makes it a little special too.
No, I love that idea.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, so highly
recommend it.
And, tish, I want you to shareyour next read with us.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay, so this is my
last month book club book and
this was the girl in the stillhouse by Ada Jenkins, and it's a
story about two young womenfrom very vastly different
backgrounds who form a veryunlikely quasi friendship.
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There's, there's a dependencyslash friendship, but you know
it's it's, it's set in theswamps of the deep south.
You know, in a time when itwasn't really acceptable for
white and black to interactsocially, right?
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So so you know, we have a mainwhite character and a main black
character and they really needto depend on each other, but
there's always that that linethat can't be crossed in terms
of friendship.
But it's, it's really acompelling narrative about this
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the start of overcomingprejudice, the start of
overcoming, you know,inequalities and where they can
find that common ground in veryunexpected places it is.
It is beautifully written.
This is one of those that againI did this one on audible did
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not like the reader of the storynecessarily.
I wish they had had a truesouthern accent.
Oh, reader reading it, itwasn't.
It wasn't so it didn't readauthentic and, living in the
south, that read very true to meand so and this is the funny
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part about it I had to listen toit at 1.5 speed because she
exaggerated the slowness of thespeech that it was driving me
crazy.
But anybody who read the bookloved it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Isn't that
interesting Again, how the
narration of an audible book isso different.
And I'm going to tell you youknow I can't stand slow talkers,
so I probably would have had togo one, you'd be at 2.0.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Now I probably would
not know the authenticity of the
southern you know accent andall of that.
But a couple of questions here.
When did this book take place?
Was it the 1920s, 30s, 40s, doyou know, or is it kind of
unknown?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know this is
right at the time where it's
early 1900s, right, and it's atthe time where sharecropping so
you know it's after the CivilWar on everything but now the
anyone who worked the fields isnow sharecropping and anyone
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who's read anything about that,it's barely a step up from
slavery, right?
So you hear about the strugglesand that's an important piece
because one of our maincharacters, she, is born out of
this.
So yeah, it was.
It's enlightening on a social,you can see, you know the onset
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of Civil rights Right Happening.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know I love books
set in historical times I don't
know much about and this is atime, like you were saying,
between the Civil War andbetween some other things.
Right, world War I and whathappened back in that period.
You know, it reminds me just alittle bit about where the craw
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dad sing tish, just because it'sset in the South and there's a
lot of poverty.
But now that I'm hearing more,it's a completely different, a
completely different time.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes and no, it's very
similar to where the craw dad
sings and if you like that one,you will enjoy this story as
well.
If I had to pick one where thecraw dad sings was, I think I
enjoyed that more.
I, that was one I actually read.
Like I said, the people whoread it, I enjoyed it more than
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the people who had listened toit on a ball yeah, but once.
But what was also really greatabout this book, and what we did
in our book club, is the bookhas subject has questions for
your book club.
And we did those, we went overthose and so there was so much
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great discussion.
So if you're in a new book clubor you don't have people who
are really good at creating thediscussion because you know we
had a lot of people at our bookclub to discuss it and I think
without the questions, thedirect questions it would have
lost something.
So I love when authors takethat step and put that in there.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
That's great, Tish.
I mean, my book club is small,so I think we can stay pretty
focused.
But it sounds like yours.
How many you have you?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
also have a very
sophisticated book club.
You know, you guys are kind ofat a different level and you've
been doing it for a long time.
But this was great when when ithad all those questions in the
back and I think the whole groupappreciated and loved that and
I think I realized I liked thestory more than I thought I did
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once we went and discussed it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Interesting, isn't
that great.
I love hearing that.
Do you think in the futureyou'll go audible for your book
club or or physical book, orwill it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
depend?
I think it's going to depend.
You know, again, for me,audible, I like to do both,
right, but audible, since Icouldn't be in the car for five,
six hours a day.
You know, I feel like audibleis a great way to kind of just
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get me through long drives thatI have to do, while also getting
me, you know, to read, you know, hear more stories, even if
it's if it's just listening.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So happy that you're
reading so much so, Alan, what
is the last book?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
OK, we're finishing
it up with kind of a page turner
.
You know we've had somehistorical books on here, one
that you know was inspired byseeing a movie.
But this book called I haveSome Questions For you by Bodie
Munro.
It was recommended by my friendMolly from my book group.
I literally could not put thisbook down.
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It was one of those ones whereyou're like, ok, just one more
chapter, one more chapter.
My, my hands were kind offalling asleep and it was like a
late at night.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So so good.
Oh, you know, I just love those.
Can't put it down the nextthing you know it's two, three
o'clock in the morning becauseit's such a good story, but tell
us why it's so captivating.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
All right.
So the story here it's partmystery, part coming of age, and
the protagonist revisits aboarding school that she went to
20 years previous and she islike a guest lecturer for a
January term there and she kindof inadvertently starts to solve
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a long, cold case that happenedat the school when she was
there.
Someone was murdered a studentand it's a fascinating dive into
our memory, asking the rightquestions, looking at something
with 20 years of knowledge kindof coming forward and really
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what is the truth?
You don't know.
I mean, you keep thinking youknow and then you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So was it a surprise
ending.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think
was a cliffhanger ending.
It's kind of a cliffhangerending.
But this book, you know you,you see young students.
She's engaged with the currentstudents and you know really,
kind of how innocent they are,how young they are and how how
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much they want to take the worldby storm.
She feels a little bit, youknow, weathered by life, even
though by all means and allthings she is successful.
But it really goes to someonewas imprisoned for this murder
that she does not believe wasthe person who committed the
murder.
So this person who had workedat the school, has had been, has
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been imprisoned for 18 or 20years and she teaches a class on
podcasting and a couple one ofthe students meant to want to
investigate this murder andthrough a podcast kind of this
true crime genre, they uncover awhole bunch of things that
could could really set thisperson free, and you just don't
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know until the very end.
So I felt like it was justdifferent than any book I've
read lately and I really enjoyedthat aspect, that one I might
have to pick up to read read.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yes, yes, but.
But you bring up a reallyinteresting point of what is,
what is the truth, and I thinkthat's a really interesting
point.
And the truth when we see itwhen we're young is different
than the truth when we see itthrough more mature eyes.
(31:12):
That's right.
Does it make it any less or anymore truth?
No, right, but truth, and Ithink what we see that is not
always black and white.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Well, exactly, and
you know, you hear about the
Innocence Project taking upcases and so many people either
being, you know, cases beingoverturned because of DNA
evidence Now that they didn'thave 10 or 15 or 20 years ago,
or these cases that are solveddue to familial DNA like you
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know, my 23 and me you're ableto do this, and so it kind of
takes a bit of that kind ofcurrent, you know, current event
, current thinking and brings itback and I love her, her really
thinking about where she was 20years ago and what kids said to
investigators and how theypositioned things.
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And there are some otherstudents that were her you know
her, her in her cohort, in herclass, that also end up coming
back and being like did we?
Was that the right thing?
So I think really a really goodbook and you do just want to
get to the end of it.
I love it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So I definitely have
to.
I have some questions for you.
I love it.
I'm going to have to pick thatone up.
We can see that each of thesebooks that we've talked about
tonight, you know they all offertheir own unique escape from
winter, right, yes, frommysteries to heartwarming tales
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of friendship, to self-discovery, to historical, you know based,
you know stories.
But, ellen, any final thoughtsas we wrap up on today's episode
.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, first of all, I
have probably 10 more books
that I can recommend and I willput a few others in the show
notes, because you know I'm sucha crazy, crazy big reader.
It is truly my addiction.
But I think this time of yearit's hard because we really want
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spring and we really want to beoutdoors doing a lot of things,
but it's still as cold, youknow, it's still as winter.
So I just say, if you'relooking for adventure, mystery,
historical fiction,self-exploration, tap this great
winter reads list that we haveand we'll put in the show notes.
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There is truly something foreveryone, and I say there's
nothing better here at Midlifethan to slow it down and to lose
yourself in a good book.
Tish.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Absolutely, ellen,
you know.
And to our listeners, we hopeyou find warmth, comfort and
inspiration in the pages of allof these books and we can't
thank you enough for joining uson Positively Midlife, stay cozy
, stay curious and, as always,happy reading.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I love that, and make
sure to use the links in the
show.
Notes are on our website toorder your copy of any of these
books we've talked about tonight, or some of the others that I'm
going to put in there tosupport our show.
And don't forget to follow uson your favorite podcast
platform.
Until next week, midlifers,keep embracing the beauty and
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wisdom of midlife.