January 19, 2026 • 31 mins
Burnout isn’t a sign you’re failing - it’s a sign that something in your business is either misaligned or mismanaged.
In this episode, I’m joined by Brittany Rogars, a coach and consultant, to break down why burnout is often feedback, not a red flag, and how to figure outwhat the problem really is, before you try to fix it.
We talk about how burnout shows up in the body, why the loss of joy is often the first clue, and how so many women end up burned out not because they can’t handle business, but because they’ve been carrying too much without the right support, systems, or boundaries.
We also discuss:
- How to tell if burnout is coming from misalignment or mismanagement
- What to change when your business no longer fits your values or season of life
- Simple systems, SOPs, and delegation that immediately reduce mental load
- The 24-hour “process day” Brittany recommends when you’re already at the edge
If your business feels heavier than it used to, this conversation will help you identify the smallest shifts that can create the most relief - without burning everything down, starting over, or pushing harder.
Links & References:
- If you're serious about growing your business in 2025, check out the new Powerful Women Rising Connection Network!
- Episode 77: How to Set Boundaries Without Feeling Like a Bitch
- Learn more about Brittany: https://brittanyrogars.com/home
- Connect with Brittany on Instagram or LinkedIn
Connect with Your Host!
Melissa Snow is a Business Relationship Strategist and the founder of Powerful Women Rising - a business growth ecosystem for female entreprenuers who want to create real momentum through real relationships.
Inside the PWR Connect Network and the PWR Business Growth Mastermind, Melissa helps women in business get build relationships, increase visibility and get more referrals without pressure, perfection or performative networking.
She's on a mission to change the way women grow their businesses - proving that you can be authentic, values-driven and profitable at the same time.
Melissa lives in Colorado with two dogs (Peyton and Ally), three cats (Giorgio, Karma and Betty) and any number of foster kittens. She hates winter, seafood and feet. She loves iced coffee, Taylor Swift, and buying books she'll never read.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Hello, Brittany.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you so much for having me,Melissa.
I'm so excited to be here.
Yes, I'm so excited to talk toyou.
Before we dive in, we have totalk first about how you got
here.
So you did had you alreadyfilled out a podcast
application, or what?
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
I think I was getting ready to fill out a
podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
Okay.
And you were like checking meout and like looking at my
YouTube channel and stuff.
Stocking a little, a little.
Yeah, no, it was great.
And you sent me an email.
I think it was about the YouTubechannel.
It was like in the title of myYouTube channel or something,
there was a typo.
And you were like, hey girl,just want to let you know
there's a typo in your YouTubechannel title.
I'm like, that YouTube channelhas been there for probably
(00:46):
three years.
No one has ever told me thattypo was there.
And so I was like, you are sucha girl's girl and my new best
friend.
And thank you.
And I think I said, I don't evenneed to look at your
application.
Let's just schedule yourinterview.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Yes.
Yes.
And I always feel like I alwaysfeel so bad having to be some
the one who like tells you thatyour fly is down or like you've
got something in your teeth.
But like I would never just letyou walk around like that.
So I appreciate you taking it inthe positive way that you did
because I just I can't spelleither.
So like I was like, wait, am Iwrong here?
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
But no, no, you were totally right.
Sometimes I'll come home fromwork and I'll be like, I can't
believe they let me look likethis all day.
And no one said, like, today,hey, your eyeliner is like
halfway down your face, FYI.
Shoots on backwards, likethanks, guys.
(01:43):
Okay, so let's get into today'sinterview.
But before we start, telleverybody a little bit about you
and about what you do.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Yeah.
So I run an open dentalsoftware, which is a dental
software uh training company.
So I'm essentially a businesscoach for dentists who want to
implement smarter systems sothey're able to scale their
practice.
Um in doing that every singleday, I found that my company is
already very niche, but I foundthat we, if we take it a little
(02:11):
bit further and we workspecifically with female
dentists, it gets to be a lotmore fun because we get to
embrace this femininity and thiscreative side and all of the
things.
So I built a business thatallows me to help offices do
what I love to do most, which issystematize and grow, but also
get to explore that playfulcreative side as well.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
So a lot of fun.
I just love it so much.
That's really cool.
So we're gonna talk today ummostly about burnout and like
how to how do we know if we'reburnout?
How do we prevent burnout?
What do we do if we're listeningto this podcast and we're like,
oh my lord, that's me.
I am burnout.
Um, I'd imagine that's somethingthat probably happens a lot in
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the medical field.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
A hundred percent.
And especially because, like Isaid, I do work with women a lot
and we always have this tendencyof like push harder, push
harder, take care of morethings, wear all of the hats.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, whoa, here I am and I'm
miserable.
What happened?
So yeah, I see it all the timein the industry and then even
more specifically in the womenthat I'm working with.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Yeah, this is perfect timing because I was
just on a coaching call beforewith this with one of the
members of um Powerful WomenRising, and we were talking
about saying no and how hard itis to say no.
And she comes from a corporatebackground and she was like, I
learned so much just fromwatching the men in corporate
(03:38):
because they don't say, I'mreally sorry if this hurts your
feelings, but no, we're notgonna do that.
They don't say, No, we're notgonna do that, and here's why.
They don't say, I hope it's okaythat we're not gonna do that, or
like, let's all take a vote.
And that they're just like, no,we're not gonna do that.
And like they never think aboutit again for the rest of the
day.
And she's like, How do I learnto be like that?
(04:02):
And I think that's a huge partof avoiding burnout for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
A hundred percent.
I feel like don't get me wrong,burnout is definitely not gender
biased.
Everybody can experience it, butI feel like we hear about it a
lot more with women specificallybecause we don't have the
ability to make no a wholesentence, or we feel like we
don't have the ability to makeno a whole sentence.
We have to throw in seven smileyface emojis and 13 exclamation
(04:29):
points before we can send outthe message.
And even then, it's like, oh,was that too aggressive?
And you know, I can promise you,my husband has never once sent a
text or an email and been like,wow, was that too aggressive?
And usually it is.
Did I added an emoji?
Exactly.
Yeah, did I put enoughexclamation points or did I put
too many exclamation points?
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Like totally, come on.
Yes, it's so true.
It's so true.
Okay, so I know everybodylistening to this podcast has
heard the word burnout.
We all have an idea of what wethink it means, but for purposes
of today, what are we talkingabout when we talk about
burnout?
SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
Yeah, so for me, and I think everybody kind of
describes this a little bitdifferent, especially now that
it's become such like a trendyword.
I think everybody can define ita little bit differently.
For me, it is when my bodyphysically starts to suffer
because of the mental load thatI've put on it, where I'm no
longer finding joy in thingsthat used to bring me joy.
It's almost as if I'm in like adepressed state where I'm
(05:31):
starting to have physical umreactions to the mental stimulus
that I'm going through.
So that's what burnout lookslike for me and how I describe
burnout.
Um, I don't think that like, oh,I scrolled through reels for six
hours today and then I went andgot Starbucks.
I'm so burnt out.
Like, I don't think it should bequite as like as buzzwordy as it
(05:51):
is now, because I do think it isactually like a serious problem
that people can suffer with, andthey suffer with it in silence
because they don't know how toclassify or quantify what it is
that they're going through.
But it's just a soul deepexhaustion that starts to have
physical effects in your lifewhen you are overstimulated and
over overworked.
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what you said about joyis really right on when it comes
to burnout.
Cause I feel like that's thething that I notice the most is
that joy is missing.
And I don't mean joy necessarilylike I'm hopping and skipping
and jumping and singing a songevery day, but like even just,
you know, I feel a certainamount of joy when I sit down to
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my computer to do a call or, youknow, something like that.
And when that is not presentanymore, that is a pretty good
sign, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
Yeah.
I can always tell that I'mgetting close to that border of
burnout when I sit down at workand I'm like, gosh, we really
don't want to be here.
Like I built this entirebusiness.
I I created the job that I havenow.
And if I don't, if even I don'tlike it, that's telling me that
we've kind of moved away fromwhat we're supposed to be doing
here or how we're supposed to bedoing it here, because I
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literally designed this to be myperfect job.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You touched on this a little bitbefore, like the reasons that we
don't acknowledge burnout.
Um, I think sometimes we don'trecognize it as that.
But also I feel like there arelike I feel like, especially for
women, that we feel like sayingwe're burnout is like a
reflection of us and like ourcapacity or our worth or how
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good we are at like pushingourselves or doing more.
And I want to talk about that alittle bit in terms of like
feeling like if you're burnout,that that's some kind of
failure.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Yeah.
So first, I don't want to go ontoo much of a side quest here,
but I also don't feel likefailure should have the negative
stigma that it does becauseevery single successful person
I've ever met has failed at athousand things.
Um, so first of all, patyourself on the back if you did
go through some sort of failure,because that means you grew and
you learned a way to not do thatthing and you're closer to where
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you want to be.
So, first of all, we just got totake the stigma away from that.
And moving into your actualquestion, um, when we grow up,
we are always told that like weshould be good and we should be
quiet and we should be thesethings.
And we internalize that so muchthat it becomes this character.
And we kind of get up every dayand like put on this persona of
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the person who can do everythingbecause that's what our moms
did, and that's what ourgrandmas did, and that's what
our teachers did, because theseare the female role models that
we had growing up.
So, yes, when we wake up andwe're like, whoa, this is hard.
It didn't look hard for any ofthem.
We're gonna internalize that andbe like, well, what's wrong with
me then that I can't work afull-time job and take care of
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two kids and get the dogs on awalk and book all the
appointments and wash the carand remember to get groceries
and cook dinner and and and andand we've built this like
societal issue where we have tocarry all of this burden or we
think we have to carry all thisburden because that's what we
see on Instagram and that's whatwe saw our grandparents and our
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moms do before us.
And none of that is is reallife.
And I don't think it makes you afailure, it makes you a human
being.
And I think at the end of theday, if we actually strip it
back and remember that you are aperson first, it becomes a
little bit easier to acceptthat, okay, I do have limits.
Because if you saw your bestfriend doing all these things
and being tired, like youwouldn't be like, girl, get it
(09:32):
together.
Not at all.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Right.
Yeah, that's so true.
And I think social media hasmade it even harder because it
looks so easy for everyone elsewhen we're comparing our insides
to their outside.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
A hundred percent.
I love posting um like firstthing when I wake up in the
morning or after a long day, orlike when I'm at my, I don't
want to say ugliest, but like myugliest, my my weakest self, my
my less put together self,because it is so much more
relatable.
And I love seeing content that'slike that also, because I know
(10:08):
full well that you're not infull glam to do the dishes
today.
Like that did not, that that wasnot on accident.
Yeah, yeah.
It makes it so much morerelatable to me and it feels so
much more authentic, andauthenticity is a core value of
mine.
So anytime that I see otherpeople show up in a way that's
like very much themselves, itreally speaks to me.
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
Yeah, that's funny you say that because I totally
just flash back on yourInstagram story yesterday where
you're like, Why do the screengrabs get me?
Am I absolute ugliest?
And you are making I love you,girl, but you are making the
most ridiculous face.
SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
Uh-huh.
I will always share thosestories because they're the
that's that's the real lifebehind being a human being.
Like, I do not look like thiswhen I wake up.
And to be honest, my hair isreally frizzy right now.
And I was like, you know what?
It's gonna be okay because thisis real life right now.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Yeah, absolutely.
So one of the things that I'veheard you say is that burnout
isn't failure, it's feedback.
So, what is the feedback?
SPEAKER_01 (11:08):
Um, so the feedback could be a couple of different
things.
Um, first and foremost, it couldbe that you're trying to do too
much and you don't have thesystems in place to support all
of the things that you're tryingto do.
It could also mean that maybethe thing that we're trying to
do right now is not in alignmentwith our mission, our passion,
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where we're actually meant tobe, the divine plan for our
life.
So either we're doing too muchand don't have the right tools
in place, or we're just doingsomething that isn't right for
us in the first place.
And then you have to kind ofdecide which of those it is.
How do we figure out thedifference?
That's a great question.
Um, you have to be very, be opento be very honest with yourself.
(11:51):
Because, like we were talkedabout earlier, like our default
as women is to just keep pushingand just keep grinding.
And when it feels like grinding,when it feels like nails on a
chalkboard, that probably meansthat you're not in alignment.
If you're like, oh, but I wantto keep doing this because it
does, I do see the light at theend of the tunnel.
It does bring me joy.
That might be your cue that,okay, we just need to build
(12:12):
stronger systems that supportthis life that I'm trying to
build.
And I've tried to put too muchon my own plate where I need to
delegate.
But if it feels not right, it'sprobably because it's not.
And trying to continue to pushyourself in that direction is
not doing you any favors andit's going to lead you further
down that burnout trail.
SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
So if the if that's the one thatfeels most true for people who
are listening today, thatthey're like, yeah, I I resonate
with what she's saying, and Ithink I'm getting burned out
because this isn't where I'msupposed to be.
I this is not in alignment withmaybe it was at the time that I
made the decision, but it's notnow.
Um, what is the next right firststep for them?
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Love that.
Um, so I we didn't talk aboutthis yet, but before I started
my company, I had an organicsoap business.
Um, could not be further leftfield than where I am now.
And I was in that place.
I woke up one day and I waslike, I really just hate what
I've built.
I look around, it doesn't bringme joy, it doesn't bring me
(13:15):
happiness.
I did this for a whole bunch ofreasons that weren't aligned
with my core values.
And I decided that I needed tolet that go.
And maybe that's one of thereasons why I think failure is
so sexy, is because I've doneit.
I've I created this thing and Italked about it so publicly, and
then it went down the tubes.
But I had to do a couple ofthings.
And I've seen this work forother people, but I'm not gonna
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say this is a one size fits all.
I had to sit down with myselfand be incredibly honest on why
I was doing the things that Iwas doing in the first place.
Was I doing this because Iwanted what did I build a
business because I wanted morefree time with my kids?
Or did I build my businessbecause I wanted to hit X, Y, or
Z financial goal, or because Iwanted to retire by the time I
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was 30, or because I reallywanted to go on a trip to
Jamaica and I knew I wasn'tgonna be able to do that and the
income that I had before.
And then look at how else we canget to those whys, or what small
changes I can make.
You may not need to burn yourwhole soap business down and
start a consulting company, butwhat small changes can we make
inside the environment thatwe're living in that can be more
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in alignment with those thingsthat I want?
So, what aligns with my corevalues and what gets me closer
to that why and that missionthat I have every day?
And maybe it's letting go of aclient, maybe it's letting go of
a service, maybe it's launchinga different service that can
still work under that umbrella,or maybe it is saying it's time
to sell this business or shut itdown and move on to the next
chapter of my life.
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But it all starts with beingreally honest with yourself,
taking some time to meditate,journal if you're into that, on
what your actual why is and howyou can get to that point.
SPEAKER_00 (14:49):
Yeah, that's really good advice.
And I love the the uh concept oflike, just because you've
realized that this might not bethe right place doesn't mean you
have to burn everything down andstart over.
There may be less drastic stepsthat you can take that will get
you back in alignment.
And sometimes that is the rightanswer, right?
(15:10):
That was a hundred percent mewith my dating coaching
business.
I did that for six years and Ireally tried to ignore the signs
from the universe that werelike, this is not where you are
anymore.
And they just kept coming andcoming, and I kept ignoring them
and ignoring them.
And then one day I woke up andum my whole Facebook account was
(15:31):
gone, suspended.
I had a Facebook group of singlewomen that had like a thousand
people in it.
I had another Facebook groupthat I did a uh really
successful book club for singlewomen.
I had like almost 3,000 peoplein that group.
And it was all gone just in oneday.
And I, after I got done cryingand feeling sorry for myself for
(15:52):
days, I said, obviously, this isthe universe saying, like,
you're gonna drag your feet onthis for another year.
So here, let us help you.
Let us just burn it all down foryou.
And sometimes that is the rightanswer, but not necessarily
always.
So I think that's a goodreminder.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
A hundred percent.
We have like as a as a societyand as a whole, we have this
kind of all or nothing mindsetwhere it needs to be this or it
needs to be this.
And I think the magic kind ofhappens in that middle zone
where we get to flow a littlebit in between the different
things.
We don't have to put ourselvesinto all of these boxes.
We can live a little bit on thefringes if we if we want to.
We could also burn it all downif we want to.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yes.
That's that's the beauty ofowning your own business.
Um, so okay, what if the otheroption resonates more with them?
What if it's more like it's notthat I feel like I'm not in
alignment, it's that I don'thave the systems or the
boundaries or whatever it is inplace, and I'm just trying to do
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too many things myself.
SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
So boundaries could be a whole conversation, like we
could have a whole chat on that.
Um, because that I think isgonna be the most important
thing.
But if you're maybe a person whohas a hard time with boundaries,
but you have really strongsystems that can support that,
it's going to guide, it's gonnanaturally set boundaries for
you.
It's gonna tell you what therules are if we have the systems
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in place.
So for me, that looks likewriting down every single thing
that I do in a day.
I actually use scribe as a toolto kind of record everything
that I do in a day and make SOPsfor that.
SOPs are boring and training,making a training video is
boring.
But I can tell you that I take alot less time having to explain
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the same thing over and overagain when I can just send
somebody a link to a thing andthey can do it themselves from
there.
And that automatically decreasesmy workload so much because I
have a tool instead of having tohave the same conversation 15
times a week.
So building out a system, evenif you start with just one
thing, the thing that you getasked the most, build out an
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SOP, uh, a training video, atutorial for that one thing.
So you now have a resource tosend instead of your time to
send to somebody who needs yourassistance.
Um, and then from there, it wentto making a list of the things
that I hated doing in my job.
Like I don't like, I don't likedoing basic open dental software
trainings anymore.
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I can do them in my sleep.
I'm kind of done with that pointin my career.
So the first thing I hired outfor was someone who could do
that thing.
Um, and I started delegatingvery strategically.
And then I also started lookingat where in my home life I felt
like I was slacking or droppingthe ball and how I could start
to outsource those things tomake it a little bit easier too.
(18:40):
So we have somebody who helps usclean the house once a month.
Um, they don't come every day.
I wish, I wish they could.
Um, but even that once-a-monthrefresh makes it a lot easier to
maintain throughout the day.
We have somebody who helps withmy kids on certain days a week.
So I can I can make sure thatI'm present for my team when I
need to be and for my kids whenI need to be.
And I have the opportunity tokind of wear both of those hats
(19:03):
a little bit easier because I'vekind of created a village.
We need they say it takes avillage, but we live in a very
like isolated state now.
So I've built a village ofpeople who can help me on both
fronts, both the personal andthe business.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Hold on, I'm gonna put my dogs out.
I was trying so hard.
They're like doing this dinosaurwrestling thing that's very
loud, and I was like, Okay.
(19:45):
Sorry.
Um where was I Okay, so yeah, Itotally agree.
Boundaries are like we could doa whole other episode on
boundaries, probably a wholeseries on boundaries.
Literally.
I did an interview a while backcalled How to Set Boundaries
Without Being a Bitch.
(20:05):
And it was uh, it's a good one.
I'll link it in the show notesif anybody wants to check that
out.
Cause I think that's a huge partof our struggle when it comes to
setting boundaries.
But um, yeah, I love what you'resaying about figuring out what
are the things that are takingup your time.
Cause I feel like a lot of timeswe don't even realize that.
Like, I can't tell you how manydays I have that I get to the
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end of the day that I'm like, Ifeel like I was busy all day.
I was working all day, but like,what did I actually accomplish?
And I'm not really sure whereall that time went.
So I think that's really smartof just like doing kind of an
audit and taking stock of yourtime and figuring out what are
the things.
Cause we're not all in a placewhere we can delegate, right?
(20:46):
We're not all in a place wherewe're ready to hire a VA or, you
know, get help.
And I think if there are, likeyou said, with the videos,
right?
Just with your clients of likequestions that you get asked
really frequently or things likethat, that you can just say,
like, hey, look at this video,as opposed to having to rebuild
the wheel every single timeyou're asked that question.
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I think that's really, reallysmart.
Um, what do we do?
Because I feel like, yes,boundaries are important, and
this is a part of boundaries.
Systems, yes, definitely savetime, save energy, save sanity.
I also feel like there is likethis component of rest and a
break and a pause, and likemaybe I need to just go outside
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and put my feet in grass andbreathe some air.
Um, but we feel like we can't.
Like, God forbid I stop what I'mdoing right now and go take a
nap, even though I'm soincredibly tired.
What do we do about that?
Besides knock it off and go takea nap, literally.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Um, if I had had the answer to that question five
years ago, I'd probably be in avery different place than I am
right now.
So I'm glad that you asked thatquestion.
Um, a friend of mine challengedme to do to do two different
things.
One was put rest on my calendarfirst um and do 15 minutes a day
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of one thing that would makeeight-year-old Britney happy.
Those two pieces together umchanged my entire life, changed
my entire career.
It changed my company, itchanged the people who work
inside my company, it changedeverything.
Because putting rest in mycalendar first, like months in
advance, 90 days from now,there's blocks in my calendar
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for rest.
Like you cannot schedule inthose times.
Now, that is also a boundary.
You need to make sure you holdyourself accountable to not
scheduling over those.
But if you schedule it out inadvance, it no longer becomes
this thing that you can feelthat you're gonna feel guilty
about or you're gonna feelshameful for because it's
literally, I'm just sticking tomy calendar.
It's literally on there andblacked out for you.
And the way that you show uptomorrow because you took that
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time to rest today is going tobe so much better because you're
not trying to pour from theempty cup it's cliche, but it's
cliche for a reason.
So I'm gonna keep using it.
Um, and you just have a betterenergy about yourself when
you've given yourself permissionto be a human being.
And it's very relatable to yourclients too, because they're
also in that same place wherethey're like so exhausted, and
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you're like, girl, we're gonnatake a nap and we're gonna,
we're gonna take 30 minutes tojust sit and read a book or bake
cookies or whatever it is thatis something that you like to do
that is not productive time thatnobody's gonna financially
benefit from and it's just forjoy, and then see how you show
up tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
Yeah, that's really good advice.
I just recorded, um, I just putout a podcast episode this
Monday, and it was the first oneI'd done in at least a month.
And I said when I was recordingthe introduction, I was like,
listen, I want to say this waslike a really strategic,
well-planned out break.
It wasn't.
I just the weeks kept coming andI kept saying I don't want to do
(23:59):
this, and then I just kept notdoing it.
And that is the truth, right?
Like, let's just be honest,because that is how it is for
everyone in business.
And we can tell the truth aboutthat.
And I feel like the more thereare people like you and I
showing up authentically andtelling the truth about that, it
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gives other people permission todo the same thing, right?
Like the world didn't comecrashing down because I didn't
put out a podcast episode in amonth.
Like everything was fine,everyone was fine.
And and the same is true foreveryone else's business.
SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
And how much better do you feel because you gave
yourself the permission, slip totake that time?
Like you're gonna show up foryour next 10 interviews, 10
episodes, so much more refreshedbecause you gave yourself that
time.
And it was at the holiday time,too.
Like, that's the perfect time tojust give yourself permission to
be present and enjoy and livebecause we only get to do this
(24:58):
one time.
Yeah, yeah.
Nobody's on their deathbed.
Like, gosh, I'm really sad thatI didn't take that meeting or
record that additional podcastor make that other lead magnet.
Never.
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
I can't believe I didn't publish a podcast episode
on Christmas.
How dare I?
No.
My life is incomplete.
Um, yeah, this is really good.
Okay, one last question.
For people who are listening tothis, they know they are
burnout, like, no question aboutthat.
They don't really know whythey're burnout.
(25:29):
Maybe it's misalignment, maybeit's systems boundaries, maybe
it's a little bit of everything.
What is one thing that they cando today to start reclaiming
control of their lives andhopefully get out of that
survival mode?
SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
So I would so I have a method called that I use
called the pivot method.
We don't need to get into allthe different letters and things
they stand for, but the firstone is process.
And that is also your permissionslip.
So I'm gonna say what I wouldrecommend if you're feeling at a
point of burnout, is to giveyourself 24 hours of what I call
a process day.
Now, this is not like systemsand processes.
(26:08):
This is like internalprocessing.
This is giving yourself 24 hourswith your phone on do not
disturb if you are blessedenough to be able to do that.
If you have kids, I'm sorry.
Um, but it this is givingyourself 24 hours to do things
like reading books, like makingsoup, like wearing your comfiest
clothes and spending that timebeing very intentional in what
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your thoughts are and journalingand thinking about what it is
that you could do differentlythat would remove just a small
piece of that.
Because if we're really honestwith ourselves, we really take
the time to make ourselves comfyand cozy and give ourselves a
big hug.
We have some sort of inkling onif it's misalignment or if it's
just mismanagement.
(26:52):
And from there, we can then makean informed decision tomorrow.
But what I need you to do firstis I need you to just pump the
brakes.
I need you to stop.
I need you to process all theemotions that you're feeling,
process all of the differentthings that are bouncing at you
all the time, and just take amoment of intentional slowness
and wear your comfiest socksbecause we need to do that.
(27:14):
And eat soup out of the cutestbowl you have because we need to
do that.
And if it makes you feel good todo your hair and makeup, to hang
out, then do that.
But only do things that areintentionally there for the
purpose of bringing you joy andgiving yourself a hug in a day
and and then from there make thedecisions.
But if you're trying to make thedecision from this place of
burnout, you're gonna make adecision that's rash, that maybe
(27:36):
isn't in the most aligned way,and you're gonna wind up
creating a bigger problem thanwhat you have right now.
So step one is just pause andprocess.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Yeah, very smart.
I love that.
If people want to know moreabout what you do, if they want
to connect with you, uh, what'sthe best way for them to do
that?
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
I'm a millennial, so I am mostly on Instagram.
Uh, feel free to find me atBrittany.roguars on Instagram.
I'm also on all the other socialmedias, um, but Instagram is my
favorite place to hang out.
Um, BritneyRogars.com is thewebsite.
If you happen to be listening tothis episode and you're in
dentistry and you want to learnmore about that, you can check
out SKF Practice Solutions.
(28:16):
But Brittany Rogars on Instagramis the best place to find me.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
Awesome.
Cool.
I will put that link in the shownotes so everybody can connect
with you and they can see thebeautiful faces that you make on
your screen grabs and then sharewith us in the stories.
It's it's worth a follow, y'all.
Uh, thank you so much for firstof all pointing out my typo on
my YouTube channel.
But more importantly, for comingon the podcast and sharing with
(28:40):
us your insight.
It was really, really goodconversation and um would love
to have you back sometime.
Absolutely.
Would love to be here.
Thank you so much.
Hello, Brittany.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you so much for having me,Melissa.
I'm so excited to be here.
Yes, I'm so excited to talk toyou.
Before we dive in, we have totalk first about how you got
here.
So you did had you alreadyfilled out a podcast
application, or what?
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
I think I was getting ready to fill out a
podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
Okay.
And you were like checking meout and like looking at my
YouTube channel and stuff.
Stocking a little, a little.
Yeah, no, it was great.
And you sent me an email.
I think it was about the YouTubechannel.
It was like in the title of myYouTube channel or something,
there was a typo.
And you were like, hey girl,just want to let you know
there's a typo in your YouTubechannel title.
I'm like, that YouTube channelhas been there for probably
(00:46):
three years.
No one has ever told me thattypo was there.
And so I was like, you are sucha girl's girl and my new best
friend.
And thank you.
And I think I said, I don't evenneed to look at your
application.
Let's just schedule yourinterview.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Yes.
Yes.
And I always feel like I alwaysfeel so bad having to be some
the one who like tells you thatyour fly is down or like you've
got something in your teeth.
But like I would never just letyou walk around like that.
So I appreciate you taking it inthe positive way that you did
because I just I can't spelleither.
So like I was like, wait, am Iwrong here?
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
But no, no, you were totally right.
Sometimes I'll come home fromwork and I'll be like, I can't
believe they let me look likethis all day.
And no one said, like, today,hey, your eyeliner is like
halfway down your face, FYI.
Shoots on backwards, likethanks, guys.
(01:43):
Okay, so let's get into today'sinterview.
But before we start, telleverybody a little bit about you
and about what you do.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Yeah.
So I run an open dentalsoftware, which is a dental
software uh training company.
So I'm essentially a businesscoach for dentists who want to
implement smarter systems sothey're able to scale their
practice.
Um in doing that every singleday, I found that my company is
already very niche, but I foundthat we, if we take it a little
(02:11):
bit further and we workspecifically with female
dentists, it gets to be a lotmore fun because we get to
embrace this femininity and thiscreative side and all of the
things.
So I built a business thatallows me to help offices do
what I love to do most, which issystematize and grow, but also
get to explore that playfulcreative side as well.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
So a lot of fun.
I just love it so much.
That's really cool.
So we're gonna talk today ummostly about burnout and like
how to how do we know if we'reburnout?
How do we prevent burnout?
What do we do if we're listeningto this podcast and we're like,
oh my lord, that's me.
I am burnout.
Um, I'd imagine that's somethingthat probably happens a lot in
(02:55):
the medical field.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
A hundred percent.
And especially because, like Isaid, I do work with women a lot
and we always have this tendencyof like push harder, push
harder, take care of morethings, wear all of the hats.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, whoa, here I am and I'm
miserable.
What happened?
So yeah, I see it all the timein the industry and then even
more specifically in the womenthat I'm working with.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Yeah, this is perfect timing because I was
just on a coaching call beforewith this with one of the
members of um Powerful WomenRising, and we were talking
about saying no and how hard itis to say no.
And she comes from a corporatebackground and she was like, I
learned so much just fromwatching the men in corporate
(03:38):
because they don't say, I'mreally sorry if this hurts your
feelings, but no, we're notgonna do that.
They don't say, No, we're notgonna do that, and here's why.
They don't say, I hope it's okaythat we're not gonna do that, or
like, let's all take a vote.
And that they're just like, no,we're not gonna do that.
And like they never think aboutit again for the rest of the
day.
And she's like, How do I learnto be like that?
(04:02):
And I think that's a huge partof avoiding burnout for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
A hundred percent.
I feel like don't get me wrong,burnout is definitely not gender
biased.
Everybody can experience it, butI feel like we hear about it a
lot more with women specificallybecause we don't have the
ability to make no a wholesentence, or we feel like we
don't have the ability to makeno a whole sentence.
We have to throw in seven smileyface emojis and 13 exclamation
(04:29):
points before we can send outthe message.
And even then, it's like, oh,was that too aggressive?
And you know, I can promise you,my husband has never once sent a
text or an email and been like,wow, was that too aggressive?
And usually it is.
Did I added an emoji?
Exactly.
Yeah, did I put enoughexclamation points or did I put
too many exclamation points?
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Like totally, come on.
Yes, it's so true.
It's so true.
Okay, so I know everybodylistening to this podcast has
heard the word burnout.
We all have an idea of what wethink it means, but for purposes
of today, what are we talkingabout when we talk about
burnout?
SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
Yeah, so for me, and I think everybody kind of
describes this a little bitdifferent, especially now that
it's become such like a trendyword.
I think everybody can define ita little bit differently.
For me, it is when my bodyphysically starts to suffer
because of the mental load thatI've put on it, where I'm no
longer finding joy in thingsthat used to bring me joy.
It's almost as if I'm in like adepressed state where I'm
(05:31):
starting to have physical umreactions to the mental stimulus
that I'm going through.
So that's what burnout lookslike for me and how I describe
burnout.
Um, I don't think that like, oh,I scrolled through reels for six
hours today and then I went andgot Starbucks.
I'm so burnt out.
Like, I don't think it should bequite as like as buzzwordy as it
(05:51):
is now, because I do think it isactually like a serious problem
that people can suffer with, andthey suffer with it in silence
because they don't know how toclassify or quantify what it is
that they're going through.
But it's just a soul deepexhaustion that starts to have
physical effects in your lifewhen you are overstimulated and
over overworked.
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what you said about joyis really right on when it comes
to burnout.
Cause I feel like that's thething that I notice the most is
that joy is missing.
And I don't mean joy necessarilylike I'm hopping and skipping
and jumping and singing a songevery day, but like even just,
you know, I feel a certainamount of joy when I sit down to
(06:31):
my computer to do a call or, youknow, something like that.
And when that is not presentanymore, that is a pretty good
sign, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
Yeah.
I can always tell that I'mgetting close to that border of
burnout when I sit down at workand I'm like, gosh, we really
don't want to be here.
Like I built this entirebusiness.
I I created the job that I havenow.
And if I don't, if even I don'tlike it, that's telling me that
we've kind of moved away fromwhat we're supposed to be doing
here or how we're supposed to bedoing it here, because I
(07:03):
literally designed this to be myperfect job.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You touched on this a little bitbefore, like the reasons that we
don't acknowledge burnout.
Um, I think sometimes we don'trecognize it as that.
But also I feel like there arelike I feel like, especially for
women, that we feel like sayingwe're burnout is like a
reflection of us and like ourcapacity or our worth or how
(07:30):
good we are at like pushingourselves or doing more.
And I want to talk about that alittle bit in terms of like
feeling like if you're burnout,that that's some kind of
failure.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Yeah.
So first, I don't want to go ontoo much of a side quest here,
but I also don't feel likefailure should have the negative
stigma that it does becauseevery single successful person
I've ever met has failed at athousand things.
Um, so first of all, patyourself on the back if you did
go through some sort of failure,because that means you grew and
you learned a way to not do thatthing and you're closer to where
(08:05):
you want to be.
So, first of all, we just got totake the stigma away from that.
And moving into your actualquestion, um, when we grow up,
we are always told that like weshould be good and we should be
quiet and we should be thesethings.
And we internalize that so muchthat it becomes this character.
And we kind of get up every dayand like put on this persona of
(08:28):
the person who can do everythingbecause that's what our moms
did, and that's what ourgrandmas did, and that's what
our teachers did, because theseare the female role models that
we had growing up.
So, yes, when we wake up andwe're like, whoa, this is hard.
It didn't look hard for any ofthem.
We're gonna internalize that andbe like, well, what's wrong with
me then that I can't work afull-time job and take care of
(08:51):
two kids and get the dogs on awalk and book all the
appointments and wash the carand remember to get groceries
and cook dinner and and and andand we've built this like
societal issue where we have tocarry all of this burden or we
think we have to carry all thisburden because that's what we
see on Instagram and that's whatwe saw our grandparents and our
(09:11):
moms do before us.
And none of that is is reallife.
And I don't think it makes you afailure, it makes you a human
being.
And I think at the end of theday, if we actually strip it
back and remember that you are aperson first, it becomes a
little bit easier to acceptthat, okay, I do have limits.
Because if you saw your bestfriend doing all these things
and being tired, like youwouldn't be like, girl, get it
(09:32):
together.
Not at all.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Right.
Yeah, that's so true.
And I think social media hasmade it even harder because it
looks so easy for everyone elsewhen we're comparing our insides
to their outside.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
A hundred percent.
I love posting um like firstthing when I wake up in the
morning or after a long day, orlike when I'm at my, I don't
want to say ugliest, but like myugliest, my my weakest self, my
my less put together self,because it is so much more
relatable.
And I love seeing content that'slike that also, because I know
(10:08):
full well that you're not infull glam to do the dishes
today.
Like that did not, that that wasnot on accident.
Yeah, yeah.
It makes it so much morerelatable to me and it feels so
much more authentic, andauthenticity is a core value of
mine.
So anytime that I see otherpeople show up in a way that's
like very much themselves, itreally speaks to me.
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
Yeah, that's funny you say that because I totally
just flash back on yourInstagram story yesterday where
you're like, Why do the screengrabs get me?
Am I absolute ugliest?
And you are making I love you,girl, but you are making the
most ridiculous face.
SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
Uh-huh.
I will always share thosestories because they're the
that's that's the real lifebehind being a human being.
Like, I do not look like thiswhen I wake up.
And to be honest, my hair isreally frizzy right now.
And I was like, you know what?
It's gonna be okay because thisis real life right now.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Yeah, absolutely.
So one of the things that I'veheard you say is that burnout
isn't failure, it's feedback.
So, what is the feedback?
SPEAKER_01 (11:08):
Um, so the feedback could be a couple of different
things.
Um, first and foremost, it couldbe that you're trying to do too
much and you don't have thesystems in place to support all
of the things that you're tryingto do.
It could also mean that maybethe thing that we're trying to
do right now is not in alignmentwith our mission, our passion,
(11:28):
where we're actually meant tobe, the divine plan for our
life.
So either we're doing too muchand don't have the right tools
in place, or we're just doingsomething that isn't right for
us in the first place.
And then you have to kind ofdecide which of those it is.
How do we figure out thedifference?
That's a great question.
Um, you have to be very, be opento be very honest with yourself.
(11:51):
Because, like we were talkedabout earlier, like our default
as women is to just keep pushingand just keep grinding.
And when it feels like grinding,when it feels like nails on a
chalkboard, that probably meansthat you're not in alignment.
If you're like, oh, but I wantto keep doing this because it
does, I do see the light at theend of the tunnel.
It does bring me joy.
That might be your cue that,okay, we just need to build
(12:12):
stronger systems that supportthis life that I'm trying to
build.
And I've tried to put too muchon my own plate where I need to
delegate.
But if it feels not right, it'sprobably because it's not.
And trying to continue to pushyourself in that direction is
not doing you any favors andit's going to lead you further
down that burnout trail.
SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
So if the if that's the one thatfeels most true for people who
are listening today, thatthey're like, yeah, I I resonate
with what she's saying, and Ithink I'm getting burned out
because this isn't where I'msupposed to be.
I this is not in alignment withmaybe it was at the time that I
made the decision, but it's notnow.
Um, what is the next right firststep for them?
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Love that.
Um, so I we didn't talk aboutthis yet, but before I started
my company, I had an organicsoap business.
Um, could not be further leftfield than where I am now.
And I was in that place.
I woke up one day and I waslike, I really just hate what
I've built.
I look around, it doesn't bringme joy, it doesn't bring me
(13:15):
happiness.
I did this for a whole bunch ofreasons that weren't aligned
with my core values.
And I decided that I needed tolet that go.
And maybe that's one of thereasons why I think failure is
so sexy, is because I've doneit.
I've I created this thing and Italked about it so publicly, and
then it went down the tubes.
But I had to do a couple ofthings.
And I've seen this work forother people, but I'm not gonna
(13:37):
say this is a one size fits all.
I had to sit down with myselfand be incredibly honest on why
I was doing the things that Iwas doing in the first place.
Was I doing this because Iwanted what did I build a
business because I wanted morefree time with my kids?
Or did I build my businessbecause I wanted to hit X, Y, or
Z financial goal, or because Iwanted to retire by the time I
(13:59):
was 30, or because I reallywanted to go on a trip to
Jamaica and I knew I wasn'tgonna be able to do that and the
income that I had before.
And then look at how else we canget to those whys, or what small
changes I can make.
You may not need to burn yourwhole soap business down and
start a consulting company, butwhat small changes can we make
inside the environment thatwe're living in that can be more
(14:19):
in alignment with those thingsthat I want?
So, what aligns with my corevalues and what gets me closer
to that why and that missionthat I have every day?
And maybe it's letting go of aclient, maybe it's letting go of
a service, maybe it's launchinga different service that can
still work under that umbrella,or maybe it is saying it's time
to sell this business or shut itdown and move on to the next
chapter of my life.
(14:40):
But it all starts with beingreally honest with yourself,
taking some time to meditate,journal if you're into that, on
what your actual why is and howyou can get to that point.
SPEAKER_00 (14:49):
Yeah, that's really good advice.
And I love the the uh concept oflike, just because you've
realized that this might not bethe right place doesn't mean you
have to burn everything down andstart over.
There may be less drastic stepsthat you can take that will get
you back in alignment.
And sometimes that is the rightanswer, right?
(15:10):
That was a hundred percent mewith my dating coaching
business.
I did that for six years and Ireally tried to ignore the signs
from the universe that werelike, this is not where you are
anymore.
And they just kept coming andcoming, and I kept ignoring them
and ignoring them.
And then one day I woke up andum my whole Facebook account was
(15:31):
gone, suspended.
I had a Facebook group of singlewomen that had like a thousand
people in it.
I had another Facebook groupthat I did a uh really
successful book club for singlewomen.
I had like almost 3,000 peoplein that group.
And it was all gone just in oneday.
And I, after I got done cryingand feeling sorry for myself for
(15:52):
days, I said, obviously, this isthe universe saying, like,
you're gonna drag your feet onthis for another year.
So here, let us help you.
Let us just burn it all down foryou.
And sometimes that is the rightanswer, but not necessarily
always.
So I think that's a goodreminder.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
A hundred percent.
We have like as a as a societyand as a whole, we have this
kind of all or nothing mindsetwhere it needs to be this or it
needs to be this.
And I think the magic kind ofhappens in that middle zone
where we get to flow a littlebit in between the different
things.
We don't have to put ourselvesinto all of these boxes.
We can live a little bit on thefringes if we if we want to.
We could also burn it all downif we want to.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yes.
That's that's the beauty ofowning your own business.
Um, so okay, what if the otheroption resonates more with them?
What if it's more like it's notthat I feel like I'm not in
alignment, it's that I don'thave the systems or the
boundaries or whatever it is inplace, and I'm just trying to do
(16:52):
too many things myself.
SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
So boundaries could be a whole conversation, like we
could have a whole chat on that.
Um, because that I think isgonna be the most important
thing.
But if you're maybe a person whohas a hard time with boundaries,
but you have really strongsystems that can support that,
it's going to guide, it's gonnanaturally set boundaries for
you.
It's gonna tell you what therules are if we have the systems
(17:16):
in place.
So for me, that looks likewriting down every single thing
that I do in a day.
I actually use scribe as a toolto kind of record everything
that I do in a day and make SOPsfor that.
SOPs are boring and training,making a training video is
boring.
But I can tell you that I take alot less time having to explain
(17:38):
the same thing over and overagain when I can just send
somebody a link to a thing andthey can do it themselves from
there.
And that automatically decreasesmy workload so much because I
have a tool instead of having tohave the same conversation 15
times a week.
So building out a system, evenif you start with just one
thing, the thing that you getasked the most, build out an
(17:58):
SOP, uh, a training video, atutorial for that one thing.
So you now have a resource tosend instead of your time to
send to somebody who needs yourassistance.
Um, and then from there, it wentto making a list of the things
that I hated doing in my job.
Like I don't like, I don't likedoing basic open dental software
trainings anymore.
(18:19):
I can do them in my sleep.
I'm kind of done with that pointin my career.
So the first thing I hired outfor was someone who could do
that thing.
Um, and I started delegatingvery strategically.
And then I also started lookingat where in my home life I felt
like I was slacking or droppingthe ball and how I could start
to outsource those things tomake it a little bit easier too.
(18:40):
So we have somebody who helps usclean the house once a month.
Um, they don't come every day.
I wish, I wish they could.
Um, but even that once-a-monthrefresh makes it a lot easier to
maintain throughout the day.
We have somebody who helps withmy kids on certain days a week.
So I can I can make sure thatI'm present for my team when I
need to be and for my kids whenI need to be.
And I have the opportunity tokind of wear both of those hats
(19:03):
a little bit easier because I'vekind of created a village.
We need they say it takes avillage, but we live in a very
like isolated state now.
So I've built a village ofpeople who can help me on both
fronts, both the personal andthe business.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Hold on, I'm gonna put my dogs out.
I was trying so hard.
They're like doing this dinosaurwrestling thing that's very
loud, and I was like, Okay.
(19:45):
Sorry.
Um where was I Okay, so yeah, Itotally agree.
Boundaries are like we could doa whole other episode on
boundaries, probably a wholeseries on boundaries.
Literally.
I did an interview a while backcalled How to Set Boundaries
Without Being a Bitch.
(20:05):
And it was uh, it's a good one.
I'll link it in the show notesif anybody wants to check that
out.
Cause I think that's a huge partof our struggle when it comes to
setting boundaries.
But um, yeah, I love what you'resaying about figuring out what
are the things that are takingup your time.
Cause I feel like a lot of timeswe don't even realize that.
Like, I can't tell you how manydays I have that I get to the
(20:26):
end of the day that I'm like, Ifeel like I was busy all day.
I was working all day, but like,what did I actually accomplish?
And I'm not really sure whereall that time went.
So I think that's really smartof just like doing kind of an
audit and taking stock of yourtime and figuring out what are
the things.
Cause we're not all in a placewhere we can delegate, right?
(20:46):
We're not all in a place wherewe're ready to hire a VA or, you
know, get help.
And I think if there are, likeyou said, with the videos,
right?
Just with your clients of likequestions that you get asked
really frequently or things likethat, that you can just say,
like, hey, look at this video,as opposed to having to rebuild
the wheel every single timeyou're asked that question.
(21:07):
I think that's really, reallysmart.
Um, what do we do?
Because I feel like, yes,boundaries are important, and
this is a part of boundaries.
Systems, yes, definitely savetime, save energy, save sanity.
I also feel like there is likethis component of rest and a
break and a pause, and likemaybe I need to just go outside
(21:30):
and put my feet in grass andbreathe some air.
Um, but we feel like we can't.
Like, God forbid I stop what I'mdoing right now and go take a
nap, even though I'm soincredibly tired.
What do we do about that?
Besides knock it off and go takea nap, literally.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Um, if I had had the answer to that question five
years ago, I'd probably be in avery different place than I am
right now.
So I'm glad that you asked thatquestion.
Um, a friend of mine challengedme to do to do two different
things.
One was put rest on my calendarfirst um and do 15 minutes a day
(22:12):
of one thing that would makeeight-year-old Britney happy.
Those two pieces together umchanged my entire life, changed
my entire career.
It changed my company, itchanged the people who work
inside my company, it changedeverything.
Because putting rest in mycalendar first, like months in
advance, 90 days from now,there's blocks in my calendar
(22:33):
for rest.
Like you cannot schedule inthose times.
Now, that is also a boundary.
You need to make sure you holdyourself accountable to not
scheduling over those.
But if you schedule it out inadvance, it no longer becomes
this thing that you can feelthat you're gonna feel guilty
about or you're gonna feelshameful for because it's
literally, I'm just sticking tomy calendar.
It's literally on there andblacked out for you.
And the way that you show uptomorrow because you took that
(22:56):
time to rest today is going tobe so much better because you're
not trying to pour from theempty cup it's cliche, but it's
cliche for a reason.
So I'm gonna keep using it.
Um, and you just have a betterenergy about yourself when
you've given yourself permissionto be a human being.
And it's very relatable to yourclients too, because they're
also in that same place wherethey're like so exhausted, and
(23:17):
you're like, girl, we're gonnatake a nap and we're gonna,
we're gonna take 30 minutes tojust sit and read a book or bake
cookies or whatever it is thatis something that you like to do
that is not productive time thatnobody's gonna financially
benefit from and it's just forjoy, and then see how you show
up tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
Yeah, that's really good advice.
I just recorded, um, I just putout a podcast episode this
Monday, and it was the first oneI'd done in at least a month.
And I said when I was recordingthe introduction, I was like,
listen, I want to say this waslike a really strategic,
well-planned out break.
It wasn't.
I just the weeks kept coming andI kept saying I don't want to do
(23:59):
this, and then I just kept notdoing it.
And that is the truth, right?
Like, let's just be honest,because that is how it is for
everyone in business.
And we can tell the truth aboutthat.
And I feel like the more thereare people like you and I
showing up authentically andtelling the truth about that, it
(24:20):
gives other people permission todo the same thing, right?
Like the world didn't comecrashing down because I didn't
put out a podcast episode in amonth.
Like everything was fine,everyone was fine.
And and the same is true foreveryone else's business.
SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
And how much better do you feel because you gave
yourself the permission, slip totake that time?
Like you're gonna show up foryour next 10 interviews, 10
episodes, so much more refreshedbecause you gave yourself that
time.
And it was at the holiday time,too.
Like, that's the perfect time tojust give yourself permission to
be present and enjoy and livebecause we only get to do this
(24:58):
one time.
Yeah, yeah.
Nobody's on their deathbed.
Like, gosh, I'm really sad thatI didn't take that meeting or
record that additional podcastor make that other lead magnet.
Never.
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
I can't believe I didn't publish a podcast episode
on Christmas.
How dare I?
No.
My life is incomplete.
Um, yeah, this is really good.
Okay, one last question.
For people who are listening tothis, they know they are
burnout, like, no question aboutthat.
They don't really know whythey're burnout.
(25:29):
Maybe it's misalignment, maybeit's systems boundaries, maybe
it's a little bit of everything.
What is one thing that they cando today to start reclaiming
control of their lives andhopefully get out of that
survival mode?
SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
So I would so I have a method called that I use
called the pivot method.
We don't need to get into allthe different letters and things
they stand for, but the firstone is process.
And that is also your permissionslip.
So I'm gonna say what I wouldrecommend if you're feeling at a
point of burnout, is to giveyourself 24 hours of what I call
a process day.
Now, this is not like systemsand processes.
(26:08):
This is like internalprocessing.
This is giving yourself 24 hourswith your phone on do not
disturb if you are blessedenough to be able to do that.
If you have kids, I'm sorry.
Um, but it this is givingyourself 24 hours to do things
like reading books, like makingsoup, like wearing your comfiest
clothes and spending that timebeing very intentional in what
(26:30):
your thoughts are and journalingand thinking about what it is
that you could do differentlythat would remove just a small
piece of that.
Because if we're really honestwith ourselves, we really take
the time to make ourselves comfyand cozy and give ourselves a
big hug.
We have some sort of inkling onif it's misalignment or if it's
just mismanagement.
(26:52):
And from there, we can then makean informed decision tomorrow.
But what I need you to do firstis I need you to just pump the
brakes.
I need you to stop.
I need you to process all theemotions that you're feeling,
process all of the differentthings that are bouncing at you
all the time, and just take amoment of intentional slowness
and wear your comfiest socksbecause we need to do that.
(27:14):
And eat soup out of the cutestbowl you have because we need to
do that.
And if it makes you feel good todo your hair and makeup, to hang
out, then do that.
But only do things that areintentionally there for the
purpose of bringing you joy andgiving yourself a hug in a day
and and then from there make thedecisions.
But if you're trying to make thedecision from this place of
burnout, you're gonna make adecision that's rash, that maybe
(27:36):
isn't in the most aligned way,and you're gonna wind up
creating a bigger problem thanwhat you have right now.
So step one is just pause andprocess.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Yeah, very smart.
I love that.
If people want to know moreabout what you do, if they want
to connect with you, uh, what'sthe best way for them to do
that?
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
I'm a millennial, so I am mostly on Instagram.
Uh, feel free to find me atBrittany.roguars on Instagram.
I'm also on all the other socialmedias, um, but Instagram is my
favorite place to hang out.
Um, BritneyRogars.com is thewebsite.
If you happen to be listening tothis episode and you're in
dentistry and you want to learnmore about that, you can check
out SKF Practice Solutions.
(28:16):
But Brittany Rogars on Instagramis the best place to find me.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
Awesome.
Cool.
I will put that link in the shownotes so everybody can connect
with you and they can see thebeautiful faces that you make on
your screen grabs and then sharewith us in the stories.
It's it's worth a follow, y'all.
Uh, thank you so much for firstof all pointing out my typo on
my YouTube channel.
But more importantly, for comingon the podcast and sharing with
(28:40):
us your insight.
It was really, really goodconversation and um would love
to have you back sometime.
Absolutely.
Would love to be here.
Thank you so much.
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