May 25, 2026 • 30 mins
Nat and Kristen wrote their own obituaries - one involves a yacht, gin martinis, Michelle Obama, and a request for dramatic sobbing (guess who). The other is a manifesto. Both are surprisingly useful.
This episode is about using your obituary as a filter: for your values, your career, and whether you're actually living the life you want or just a very organised version of the default one. Plus: living funerals, why the robot (AI) makes a terrible life coach, and what happens when you're too content to think big.
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Today is a very sad day because Kristen and I will be sharing
our obituaries. Do you know this is actually,
this is a hobby that my friends and I have had for a couple of
years now where we plan our funerals and less so our
obituaries. But our funerals are quite
heavily planned, down to quite alot of detail including
cocktails, dress code. But this actually came from.
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Well, now I've done a whole ramble about my obsession with
funerals. Do you want to share?
With this particular, but I justwant to say that's really
interesting. I feel I feel like the world can
be divided into two types of people.
One people that gleefully plan their funerals and others that
are like absolutely petrified ofdying and won't even go there.
And I feel like we probably fallon two different camps and like
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so anyone listening is OK if. You were like, I'm terrified of
dying, don't worry. I feel like your funeral has a
way of, I think it's sort of what we've agreed to today and
why we're doing this as a way ofsort of going what, what would
the ultimate party or ultimate my dream, acknowledgement of my
life, celebration of my life look like?
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But like, why does it matter? You're gone.
Well, that's why I've now started to pull some of my
funeral back into like having a wedding or something so that I
can actually be there for her. I know that was the fatal flaw
in our funeral planning is that we all suddenly realized when
but you can have a living funeral, you're like, hang on.
A minute my mum's had a little my wedding.
My mom had a funeral probably like 15 years ago.
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We went on a trip to Vietnam andit was quite awful at the time.
We were on the back of motorbikes and she went around a
blind corner and she got run into by truck.
It was awful. And I just remember she's like
lying on the middle of this roadwith blind corners and traffic
going everywhere with a severelybroken leg.
And like we were like had to gether back to a small town.
Anyway, after that shock, she decided to hold her own funeral,
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no, her own celebration of life.And everyone had to bring a
skit. And it was fabulous.
There was a lot of poetry about it.
I mean, she was like a pig and shit.
She was like sitting back and letting everyone say wonderful
things about her. I did an interpretive dance.
I'm not surprised about the interpretive dance, but this is
revelator. Revelatory, revelatory
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conversation. Like I'm like, wow, I just yeah,
like give me a party or a wedding.
And I just like, let's, let's just not think that we will die
one day. But anyway, here we are writing
an obituary. And where this where this came
from, like traumatizing activitynow is that we interviewed a
fabulous woman on power suit. As we do every month.
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We interview an incredible role model that we can learn from,
aspire to whatever, get, get, take some action from some
learnings and shortcuts and learnings and action.
And she was amazing. She had been doing an MBA and as
part of their, one of the most formative activities that she
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did during this MBA, it was thatshe had to write her own
obituary. And what came out of that was
that she used that as a filter to guide the values of her, what
mattered to her, first of all. So she really was able to refine
her values as a result of this. And secondly, she used it as a
filter for her career. So what to say yes to, what to
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say no to what to actually cut, what to change.
And that was incredible. And we thought, Oh my gosh,
let's write our own obituaries, which we did.
And we said it on the call. So we introduced her.
We're like, we're going to go dothis activity, and we'll
probably do it as a wider power suit community actually.
So get in. But yeah, that's what Nat and I
spent this morning doing. And then I'm like, this is kind
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of I, I feel apologetic over mine almost.
But nonetheless, here's where I'm at.
You know you. How do you feel about yours?
I mean, it's I decided, as with most things in life, that I was
going to do a hat job at the endbecause it wasn't really my
obituary because you can get, I get very caught up in like the
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detail, like how do I make this sound good?
How do I like build, you know, like how do you summarize my
entire life? And then I was like, no, I want
to just really focus on and not my life to date.
I think that was the other challenge.
So I don't think I've got that cracked yet.
Like, what do I want the next, you know, 80 years of my life to
look like that haven't happened yet.
Do. You say 80 years of your life.
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OK, you're going to join that guy that the and and drink the
black mushroom powder and the hetakes 200 pills a day.
He's such a weirdo and he looks really old.
You know the guy I'm talking about.
I don't. Think David Edinburgh turned 100
and he is like live in his beastlife.
Okay, so whatever your age is isplus 80.
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Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
Okay, what I start on your pointabout the obituary thing.
I, of course, was very earnest and I'm like, first, obviously,
Full disclosure, I used my robotand I, yeah.
I used a robot because. I didn't know where to start.
So I was like, I don't even I don't read obituaries.
You know, there's people that read like my in laws read
obituaries and then my husband will get a call every like few
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weeks. Guess who died?
He's like, Oh my God, this is like how their conversations go.
But anyway, I don't read obituaries.
I don't want to read them. So I had to use some a robot to
help me with like OK, and I juststarted a conversation.
I did voice, which I hate voice most of the time I will record
myself and then I'll use the chat function.
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But I was going on a walk. I was multitasking, going on a
walk with my dog. So I was like, I'm going to use
the voice like the conversation,which is the worst.
I can't stand it because. They find it annoying because
it's got to pause. After they're annoying,
everything they do is annoying. I like.
I don't know how people fall in love with the robots because I
literally hate mine. I'm like, stop patronizing me.
I don't like your tone. Where do I change this?
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And they're all like in the settings that I just haven't got
around to it. So I literally hate my robot.
But anyway, my robot and I wrestled.
So we wrestled during this walk because I was like, have to
write an obituary. But really it's kind of like how
we want to live the next 80 years of our life.
So it it has to perform that function of like looking back
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and how we would want people to remember us.
But equally, we're going to use it as a filter, which was very
difficult, so it got all bamboozled.
But I do think for anyone doing this at home and we're actually
going to turn it into a mini master class because it's harder
than it sounds and we can by step guide you through it.
But I think there's something about just keeping it.
What I got to an end is like everything, it's a practice.
This is our first cut and it wasjust about high level.
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What would I feel really happy if my life finishes like?
I again, don't think I cracked it because I think I was
probably a bit too focused on what it's currently like and not
like thinking big enough about what it could be.
But that is what it is. And then the secondary thing
could be out out of that. If you would have plugged that
back into your sycophantic robot, what would it pull out as
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some of the values you had? Like you could do it?
As that's where I was going, don't.
Worry about it for now. My God I heard a Canadian
accent. Don't.
Worry about it. Don't worry, don't worry, don't
worry. That's where I was kind of going
with it, but then the dog walk ended.
So where I got to like when I read it, I'm like, I don't think
this is my obituary. And when I asked my annoying
robot, I was like, is this an obituary?
They're like, actually, no, it'smore like a manifesto and
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whatever I think it is a look. We've disclaimed, I know we've.
Disclaimer, I think mine is too vague but nonetheless I'm like I
think it does capture some stuffabout me so now you go first.
OK, don't laugh. No, you're allowed to laugh.
I don't know how to start it, but Net, I'm going to start with
my name. Net died at 120 years old, doing
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what she loved, drinking gin martinis on her yacht in the
Greek islands, surrounded by friends and family in colorful
caftans. She lived by a philosophy that
started as a joke on long walks with her parents.
When in doubt, it's always the path that goes up the steeper
path, usually the one without proper signage.
And she did. She chose the uphill route,
professionally and personally. When she reached a fork in the
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road, she'd ignore the safe option in order to find out what
the top looks like. As someone who spent a lot of
time on stages, she was always wildly disinterested in
appearances. 6 months into theirrelationship, Kyla famously
remarked. The thing that surprises me most
about you is how unglamorous youare.
And it was true. Nat lived her life in paint
splattered track pants, driving a decade old car and keeping her
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glam clothes and heels in a memory drawer.
She had no interest in status for status sake, but she cared
fiercely about the things that mattered to her, from free range
eggs and fostering animals to financial freedom for women.
Her proudest career achievement was building power suit into a
platform that helped 10s of thousands of women think bigger
about what was possible for themselves.
She loved watching them realize that they did not need
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permission to want more. She also had a bloody good time.
Nat collected stories the way other people collect handbags
who close who closest friends included Michelle Obama after
the two meet while speaking at an event together.
Michelle recently reflected thatthey bonded over a shared love
of fun before adding the way. I agree with Kyla, she really
should have upgraded the track pants.
Nat leaves behind approximately 47 partially finished creative
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projects, several foster animalswith behavioural issues, and
alarming number of overflowing cupboards and drawers.
Now, as specifically requested by Nat, Westlife will perform
Flying Without Wings. Please join us to throw
yourselves dramatically at the floor, sob wildly and loudly
declare that happiness itself has permanently lost all meaning
without her. Oh my gosh, I love it.
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Yours is so good. I can see where you went.
Very current detail meets aspirational.
Like that's really interesting. Those two worlds kind of was
like yours is so good, it's so funny.
Your robot's funny. Mine's I got to fire my robot
to. Be fair, most of that was from
my head and then I just got the robot to go like make it into an
obituary, mainly about Michelle Obama was the key part there
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that I really am. Westlife 2 things that I really
need to get out into the universe and the yacht in the
Greek islands. So good.
I love it. I love that there was specific
detail in there. There's aspiration, which is
where I did not go at all, but Ilove that.
And I love the humor. But yeah, great.
So good. I do actually expect people to
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cry at my funeral. Like I'm not one of those people
who's like, I wanted to be a celebration of my life.
I want people to be like, absolutely devastated.
And why does it matter? You're dead.
It matters because I don't want them to move on with their
lives, I want them to spend every day afterwards being like
this would be so much better if no one's.
Here, no you don't actually. Do I'm deeply selfish?
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OK, Well, that didn't come out in your obituary.
Well, yeah, I did in a roundabout way, yes, but OK.
I feel like mine is really like earnest and I feel like I, I,
yeah, but I feel like I need to tweak it based off yours and not
to make it more like yours, but I'm like, I see a few key things
that I was missing and I also. Feel like this is the joy.
Maybe we should write our obituaries every year because
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like, it's cut. Gosh, that's cut.
Yeah, yeah. Mine was super earnest.
And maybe that is like you said,this is the, this is like the
mood I'm in at the moment. So this is so.
Good. Am I gonna cry?
No. No, it's, it's like lame because
my robot's lame, OK. And again, I'm like, first try,
first try, OK. Kristen believed people were
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capable for more than they believed about themselves.
They had a way of no, sorry. Kristen believed people were
capable far more than they believed about themselves.
She had a way of reflecting thatback to them, not through an
empty cheerleading, but through genuine conviction.
She raised her kids to believe they could do anything, and then
made sure they actually tried. Her expectation, however, was
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that when they tried, they really tried.
She chose being uncomfortable over predictable, and they
learned to do the same. She married her best friend and
together they adventured, tried new things, moved countries,
traveled. A healthy, fulfilling
partnership she wasn't sure existed until she found it.
She was intensely focused on herwork, on the people she loved,
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sometimes at the cost of presents.
OK, many times she was deliberate about those who she
let close. And she had a handful of
friendships where she could think out loud, be messy, share
her worries. Joa's friendships were
reciprocal. She gave as much as she got.
She was drawn to big, hard, interesting things, starting
from scratch, refusing the obvious path.
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She needed to see her contribution, land her
fingerprint. And she was willing to sit in
the discomfort and sacrifice if she could see it in the works
herself, in the work. She was most challenged when
surrounded by exceptional people, also not waiting for
things to happen to them. She had a fiercely generous
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heart for women, their freedom, their choices, their right to do
hard things. A power suitor saw herself
differently because of Kristen. Founder took a leap.
A friend left a bad relationship, and when the when
crisis arose, she would take control.
She wanted to do hard things, physically hard, not just
professionally hard. She didn't want to get
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comfortable. She was most alive when moving
through nature, and so she builther life to stay close to it.
The city she chose, the country she moved to or traveled
through, not for the lifestyle, but because it was where she
refueled and where she came backto herself and to everyone else.
Little bit more earnest. Oh my gosh, did you know what I
was just thinking? We could probably ride each
other's open trees because that's probably if you died
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tomorrow. Please don't.
That would be the key things I would touch on for you.
I think it's great. It's just a little bit serious
compared to yours. And then I was like, I could try
and make it serious. I can't.
Bring best friends with MichelleObama.
That is my life goal. Yeah, but it's just so
beautifully funny. Well, I do think it's
interesting the themes for you was like things we know, like
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you are an absolute cheerleader.I also love that we know family
really shines through for you. So I thought that was like the
way you almost showcased your values through how you embedded
them and your children. I think that's such an
interesting idea for parents of like the values you really care
about are the ones you want to instill and have your kids live
by. I think that's like kind of have
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an interesting test for anyone thinking about their values,
like what are the things that you care about for them?
I would say that I didn't hear hear anything about surfing in
there, but like general general.I had it, I had it.
I had some detail both for powersuit and for like surfing in
there. Like I actually had it and it
didn't like it didn't flow. And I said remove detail for
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now, let's just stay high level.And then I think the next
iteration could actually be a little bit.
And we can put a slideshow of you surfing behind it.
So like, there will be imagery to really like, cover some of
the lack of detail. Like again, I feel like when
they described it's actually a manifesto of how you want to
live, I was like, yeah, it probably is like less so then
anyway, I I think. I think the challenge for both
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of us is to rewrite it again in a year's time or such like, But
think from now, because I think what I'd like to do is from now
forward. And Kyler and I talk about this
all the time. And the problem is we are so
deeply satisfied with our lives that we really struggle to think
what would we change? But like, I would love to think
in whatever year's time, 80, let's go. 80 Just for, you know,
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argument's sake, what would lookdifferent or be better or
bigger? Because I feel like both of us
are probably in a state of quitecontent with the lives we've
built for ourselves. Interesting you say that because
I think that's what broke the robot.
Like the robot can't think in meta where you're like, write my
past, but then it's in 80 years.And, and so I think it didn't
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work. And an example, actually, I have
something that I want to change because I'm obviously
transitioning out of investing in my children.
In fact, I tell them to go away and solve their own problems
now. So that's the thing.
But I, for me, I, what I have reflected on as part of this
exercise is in the last 10 years, I have gotten physically
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comfortable. And it's just surprising to me
of the physically hard things I used to do, whereas I no longer
do them like or as often or doesn't feel that way.
And so that was interesting to me and I tried to capture like,
it wasn't a, wasn't able to be like.
You know, you did capture like you like to do hard things
physically and I think that is like when you look, I think we
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both hugely inspired by Olympians and watching people
climb buildings and you're watching a surf competition
right now. All the things that we think and
like going to the moon. Like, I think both of us are
really drawn to and want to practice the things of putting
yourself physically in really uncomfortable situations because
we know from all the research and all the people who do it,
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that is where kind of the meaning of life comes from,
where you feel most at one kind of like.
Well, I thought of you this morning because it is the season
of Peking Everest, of course. And so people started to summer
summit Everest today, and they will do so until the end of this
month. There's only a window of about
12 days per year. And what this one reel that I
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was watching was a woman, as they do, just did the base camp
trek. And I remember you said eight
years ago you wanted to do it. And I was like, why?
But actually after watching the reel, I was like, maybe we need
to do that. No, remember we decided we were
going to go somewhere else in the Himalayas because I think
both of us agreed at the time, Ithought it was something that
like, I don't think either of uslikes doing things that we are
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just going to be instead of a production line of people doing
thing. Like I'm fine doing it at like a
running event or something whereit's like the camaraderie and
the like team effort. But I think we would both prefer
to do like even those beautiful walks over in Europe that I
think both of us want to do as well.
Like, how do you find the ones that are maybe a little bit less
popular? No, I'm not like one of those
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two ways. Like I need to be doing it all
on my own because like go and vent it then, but like something
that feels a little bit more like I am with nature and not
necessarily surrounded. By yes, yeah, yeah, no.
Love it. So I think I think you're right.
There's something interesting about how to capture this and
write this, but also how to actually do stuff to your point,
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like what is the is there? And what's interesting is I, I
feel like I did a lot of physically hard things until my
focus was on my children doing physically hard things.
And then I, you lose yourself and then by the time you get out
of it, you're friggin exhausted.And so I'm so proud that
thankfully, I'm just so thankfulthat we're doing a
professionally hard thing and a meaningful one with impact that
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clearly aligns with both of our values.
I'm like that like. Huge check.
It's actually, it's funny because I think when we did the
personality test, we were very opposite.
But when it comes to values, it's kind of shocking how
similar we are. We're both like, we both want to
take the road less traveled. We're always going to choose the
hard path we want to do. Yeah.
And we love and we love to make an impact on.
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It's kind of interesting that those things because you often
say with the best relationships,like you don't have to be the
same, but like values are reallyimportant.
And I thought that was kind of cool.
But I think there is something in the physically hard like that
slept for my life and I and you know, I'm like, what, what is
that? And I'm doing some boot camp,
which I'm really enjoying. Like I was Uber competitive last
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week, which I loved and I was like alive and the sun was
rising and I was like, I'm like,wow.
Like I'm just so motivated to, you know, like to race myself
another. Like I just love it.
So anyway, the physically the physically hard.
Thing is where we differ you really are attracted to the the
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competition motivates you for exercise.
I I my life hack, my running hack as I always listen to real
survival stories or something when I'm out running because
when I'm like nothing like a steam train and being like, well
with me it's hard. Last week I was running and
there was like someone stuck under like 5 tons of grain and
he was like fighting for his life.
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And I'm always like, if he can do it, I can do it.
Keep flooding along. Right.
But we are inspired by those people.
So I feel like we should be chatting with their partners and
planning something like what is the thing if it's not Everest
Base Camp, like, what is it? It's got to be something because
I'm like, there this there are that.
We are so inspired by these people doing incredible things.
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And I'm like, there's something there.
There's something there we must do.
Because I feel like one of the things that shifted as I've
gotten older and I think I'm pretty comfortable with this is
I'm no longer like, I used to bemore motivated to do like one
peak thing, like I would run a half marathon or want to do a
big like, you know, thing. Whereas now I think I'm more
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when it comes to physically hardthings.
I feel like the physically hardest thing for me has been
consistently being fit and healthy.
And I actually am really comfortable now that for the
rest of my life, if I can comfortably run, you know, 5-10
KS and I'm spending some of my weekend walking up hills or
going to a dance class or whatever it is.
I actually think for me that is better than the old school boom
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and bust of like training to walk up to base camp and then
like afterwards, you know, like it.
That didn't work for me as well.For me, what works is the thing.
The health follows the thing. Like I always was like, oh gosh,
I'm getting out of shape and I'dsign up for triathlon or like
I'd feel a little bit at odds and I'd see a sign to sign up
for this thing or whatever. And so for me, The thing is what
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drags me along because I struggle with, I don't know,
motivation. No, I'm the same like real.
Power and all that stuff so likeknowing there's a deadline or a,
you know, a walk coming up I'm like, oh, better do that physio
or better, you know, yeah. So no, I think there's something
there and I've been toying with that.
There's that thing in the upper North Island people know that
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are listening to. To me in New Zealand is where
you like bike and you or do orienteering and stuff.
And I'm like, is that the thing?So I'm just circling like I
don't know what The thing is. You are a cross functional
athlete. Yeah, like I don't know what The
thing is and I but then like my limitation not I don't want to
get hurt. Like I don't like getting hurt.
No, that's. Why I think I've just gotten a
lot more comfortable is I just want a really good baseline.
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And like after this, I'm 3:30, I'm going out for jog in Island
Bay and I just said to my friends, do you want to come
too? And so and I'm like, we'll do
our own exercises because everyone's like walking or
jogging or run walking. I like this motivation and going
together. And it's a beautiful sunny day.
And I think I'm comfortable withthat being my goal.
But I would like to talk about work because one of the things I
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found really hard with this obituary, as we're doing it in a
work context and we heard about it through a work context and
both of us spoke a little bit about work.
But I found it really hard at the start to not make it all
about work and then go, no, that's what I want people to say
at my funeral. So I'm curious to know from you
like where did where did it makeyou think about your career in
the context of your life like? Impact.
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For me, it just had to be like when I taught, when I like, how
did it make me think? It made me realize I don't know
if I'm answering your question properly, but what I do know is
I love surrounding myself by exceptional people that had to
be in there. And I often found that in the
startup world and with people doing hard things.
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So as you know, even if I didn'tidentify with the product I was
working with at that time, it didn't matter because it was
still a hard thing. It was A and you know, I felt
like my fingerprint could be in there and it was like something
to nothing. It was all measurable.
But if I think of Power Suit now, we've got the best of all
the world's where it's like all that we get, you're working.
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With people. Exactly.
And then you get to it's almost like we get to choose the
impact, which is amazing. And so I didn't cover it a lot
because I just thought it it like I didn't go the
aspirational route. So I think that is that could
easily be a next step. But was only just because I
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thought after power suit like I have a list on my phone Nets
next career. Well, it's interesting because
my obituary, as with yours, was very focused around impact and
doing hard things and challenging things.
My next career is fostering and or training service dogs.
I'd started with guide dog puppies, but I actually would be
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quite happy with any of them. Like the dogs that work at the
airports, the drug dogs, whatever police dogs.
I want to be a bartender at a local pub, but only like a
coverer of shifts. So like I could go and just do
one shift, but I'm not committedto being physically somewhere.
I would like to form a dance crew.
Like we went to the Newtown festival and I was like, I can
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see myself with a dance crew andit's like joyous dancing.
Like they were what's that Brazilian dance where it's just
like ROMs And I was like, amazing.
These careers are not going to pay at all.
If I was just. Going to say these feel like.
But I don't. My expectation, part of my
obituary is I'm not going to need money because I'll have
money. So like lawn mowing, I would be
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a lawn mower for people with disabilities and or old people
who can't mow their lawns because I get so much joy out of
mowing lawns, like the joy of like the tidiness and planting
wetlands. I've done it once or twice with
a friend of mine. And again, it's like this like
beautiful manual labor that allows you to then see something
that's going to be felt way beyond your lifetime.
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But like I'm largely doing it for the like the joy of being
outside planting things and noneof those things are high, you
know, high purpose, exceptional people.
And I was like, am I for the next part of my life going to?
And maybe it is just because what we're doing at the moment
is so full on that maybe the things I'm drawn to or their
dream is like, I need to put it down time after this and then
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I'll pick something else up. But I'm wondering if in the next
80 years career career is going to feel like a big part or not,
you know? That's where I, that's where I
struggled. I like I went from kind of maybe
I'm dying next year, knock on wood, you know, and I can't, I
just couldn't see that like what, what we're doing next
other than more of the same. And so yeah, it feels like
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session number two session #2. We could easily be doing this
for 10/15/20 years, like no one's we're not closing shop.
But it did make me think like, is that when I'm 120?
Yeah, I think, I think what I'd like to be known for, I think is
what we talked about. It's just that, do I want to do
it for the next eight years? OK, I just want to share some
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quick tips for those listening is to just go ahead and open up
a robot and just start talking about things about yourself and
you know, just makes it just that that's what.
You have your prompts, could youread?
Because I basically just startedwith a picture of like where
would I like to be when I die? And that Scott was like on a
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boat in warm with no. I just gave it a really
specific, Yeah, OK, no, I didn'tdo that.
I gave it a specific tat. This is where I kind of went
into a bit of a pickle. I gave it the real specific task
of an obituary. And then I said, can you ask me
10 questions to start the conversation?
And then it did. Yeah.
And so then and then I didn't like some of the questions.
And then we happened upon a few of the areas and then I wanted
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to explore those more deeply. So that was the start of the
conversation. And invariably we, you know, I
had to wrestle a lot with this very annoying, I don't know,
call this person Brenda or something.
But you know, yeah, we ended up yeah, Brandon, but we ended up
we got there kind of in the end.But I think, yeah, that would be
my suggestion is just to crack it open.
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Say, look, I want you know, I want to build an obituary or
manifesto in order to filter in order to get.
If he stays sort of tied to terrorism, well, it's.
Not they have How do I? Say planning on dying crystal.
Can I just say they are one of the more successful examples of
a manifesto because they follow them.
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They have really clear. But to be fair, I mean, some of
the most inspiring world had manifestos, actually.
Yeah. Hitler.
True. OK.
All right. Nonetheless, it is a a guide for
life. And we want to look back in the
lens. So just wrestle with a robot and
let us know how you get on. That's my that's my ask.
Yeah, and I think maybe one of the things that you could ask
yourself, I was thinking about because you're assuming someone
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else is saying this about you, although I wouldn't put it
beyond myself to write my own one to make sure they get a ride
like to have what would I want people to say about me?
Like we talk about it now, what with personal brand, what do you
want people to say about you or think about when about you when
you're not in the room? And I wonder sort of a bigger
picture of that. So I feel like there's probably
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a bunch of different ways you can go about doing it.
And I do think you should join us and try and do it, sort of
repeat it as a exercise to even.I think I'm going to try and
keep this somewhere. Yeah, I think we'll clear.
I think we'll get really clear. This was a really great take 1
And I think what we'll do is we will now create the mini master
class off of this. So please do join para suit so
that we can help you. But feel free to test, test a
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few things out with a robot, butwe'll get there.
And yeah, thanks everyone. Check out parasuit.com and join
us so that you can attend this mini master class or watch it
after the fact and do it and. If anyone knows Michelle Obama
or Westlife, you know where I am.
I'm joking, but I'm not joking. No, you're not OK.
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We'll catch you next time. We hope we're not going
anywhere. All right, people, catch you
next week. Bye.
Welcome to Power Up, the podcastthat uncovers the unique
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Today is a very sad day because Kristen and I will be sharing
our obituaries. Do you know this is actually,
this is a hobby that my friends and I have had for a couple of
years now where we plan our funerals and less so our
obituaries. But our funerals are quite
heavily planned, down to quite alot of detail including
cocktails, dress code. But this actually came from.
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Well, now I've done a whole ramble about my obsession with
funerals. Do you want to share?
With this particular, but I justwant to say that's really
interesting. I feel I feel like the world can
be divided into two types of people.
One people that gleefully plan their funerals and others that
are like absolutely petrified ofdying and won't even go there.
And I feel like we probably fallon two different camps and like
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so anyone listening is OK if. You were like, I'm terrified of
dying, don't worry. I feel like your funeral has a
way of, I think it's sort of what we've agreed to today and
why we're doing this as a way ofsort of going what, what would
the ultimate party or ultimate my dream, acknowledgement of my
life, celebration of my life look like?
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But like, why does it matter? You're gone.
Well, that's why I've now started to pull some of my
funeral back into like having a wedding or something so that I
can actually be there for her. I know that was the fatal flaw
in our funeral planning is that we all suddenly realized when
but you can have a living funeral, you're like, hang on.
A minute my mum's had a little my wedding.
My mom had a funeral probably like 15 years ago.
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We went on a trip to Vietnam andit was quite awful at the time.
We were on the back of motorbikes and she went around a
blind corner and she got run into by truck.
It was awful. And I just remember she's like
lying on the middle of this roadwith blind corners and traffic
going everywhere with a severelybroken leg.
And like we were like had to gether back to a small town.
Anyway, after that shock, she decided to hold her own funeral,
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no, her own celebration of life.And everyone had to bring a
skit. And it was fabulous.
There was a lot of poetry about it.
I mean, she was like a pig and shit.
She was like sitting back and letting everyone say wonderful
things about her. I did an interpretive dance.
I'm not surprised about the interpretive dance, but this is
revelator. Revelatory, revelatory
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conversation. Like I'm like, wow, I just yeah,
like give me a party or a wedding.
And I just like, let's, let's just not think that we will die
one day. But anyway, here we are writing
an obituary. And where this where this came
from, like traumatizing activitynow is that we interviewed a
fabulous woman on power suit. As we do every month.
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We interview an incredible role model that we can learn from,
aspire to whatever, get, get, take some action from some
learnings and shortcuts and learnings and action.
And she was amazing. She had been doing an MBA and as
part of their, one of the most formative activities that she
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did during this MBA, it was thatshe had to write her own
obituary. And what came out of that was
that she used that as a filter to guide the values of her, what
mattered to her, first of all. So she really was able to refine
her values as a result of this. And secondly, she used it as a
filter for her career. So what to say yes to, what to
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say no to what to actually cut, what to change.
And that was incredible. And we thought, Oh my gosh,
let's write our own obituaries, which we did.
And we said it on the call. So we introduced her.
We're like, we're going to go dothis activity, and we'll
probably do it as a wider power suit community actually.
So get in. But yeah, that's what Nat and I
spent this morning doing. And then I'm like, this is kind
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of I, I feel apologetic over mine almost.
But nonetheless, here's where I'm at.
You know you. How do you feel about yours?
I mean, it's I decided, as with most things in life, that I was
going to do a hat job at the endbecause it wasn't really my
obituary because you can get, I get very caught up in like the
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detail, like how do I make this sound good?
How do I like build, you know, like how do you summarize my
entire life? And then I was like, no, I want
to just really focus on and not my life to date.
I think that was the other challenge.
So I don't think I've got that cracked yet.
Like, what do I want the next, you know, 80 years of my life to
look like that haven't happened yet.
Do. You say 80 years of your life.
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OK, you're going to join that guy that the and and drink the
black mushroom powder and the hetakes 200 pills a day.
He's such a weirdo and he looks really old.
You know the guy I'm talking about.
I don't. Think David Edinburgh turned 100
and he is like live in his beastlife.
Okay, so whatever your age is isplus 80.
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Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
Okay, what I start on your pointabout the obituary thing.
I, of course, was very earnest and I'm like, first, obviously,
Full disclosure, I used my robotand I, yeah.
I used a robot because. I didn't know where to start.
So I was like, I don't even I don't read obituaries.
You know, there's people that read like my in laws read
obituaries and then my husband will get a call every like few
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weeks. Guess who died?
He's like, Oh my God, this is like how their conversations go.
But anyway, I don't read obituaries.
I don't want to read them. So I had to use some a robot to
help me with like OK, and I juststarted a conversation.
I did voice, which I hate voice most of the time I will record
myself and then I'll use the chat function.
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But I was going on a walk. I was multitasking, going on a
walk with my dog. So I was like, I'm going to use
the voice like the conversation,which is the worst.
I can't stand it because. They find it annoying because
it's got to pause. After they're annoying,
everything they do is annoying. I like.
I don't know how people fall in love with the robots because I
literally hate mine. I'm like, stop patronizing me.
I don't like your tone. Where do I change this?
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And they're all like in the settings that I just haven't got
around to it. So I literally hate my robot.
But anyway, my robot and I wrestled.
So we wrestled during this walk because I was like, have to
write an obituary. But really it's kind of like how
we want to live the next 80 years of our life.
So it it has to perform that function of like looking back
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and how we would want people to remember us.
But equally, we're going to use it as a filter, which was very
difficult, so it got all bamboozled.
But I do think for anyone doing this at home and we're actually
going to turn it into a mini master class because it's harder
than it sounds and we can by step guide you through it.
But I think there's something about just keeping it.
What I got to an end is like everything, it's a practice.
This is our first cut and it wasjust about high level.
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What would I feel really happy if my life finishes like?
I again, don't think I cracked it because I think I was
probably a bit too focused on what it's currently like and not
like thinking big enough about what it could be.
But that is what it is. And then the secondary thing
could be out out of that. If you would have plugged that
back into your sycophantic robot, what would it pull out as
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some of the values you had? Like you could do it?
As that's where I was going, don't.
Worry about it for now. My God I heard a Canadian
accent. Don't.
Worry about it. Don't worry, don't worry, don't
worry. That's where I was kind of going
with it, but then the dog walk ended.
So where I got to like when I read it, I'm like, I don't think
this is my obituary. And when I asked my annoying
robot, I was like, is this an obituary?
They're like, actually, no, it'smore like a manifesto and
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whatever I think it is a look. We've disclaimed, I know we've.
Disclaimer, I think mine is too vague but nonetheless I'm like I
think it does capture some stuffabout me so now you go first.
OK, don't laugh. No, you're allowed to laugh.
I don't know how to start it, but Net, I'm going to start with
my name. Net died at 120 years old, doing
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what she loved, drinking gin martinis on her yacht in the
Greek islands, surrounded by friends and family in colorful
caftans. She lived by a philosophy that
started as a joke on long walks with her parents.
When in doubt, it's always the path that goes up the steeper
path, usually the one without proper signage.
And she did. She chose the uphill route,
professionally and personally. When she reached a fork in the
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road, she'd ignore the safe option in order to find out what
the top looks like. As someone who spent a lot of
time on stages, she was always wildly disinterested in
appearances. 6 months into theirrelationship, Kyla famously
remarked. The thing that surprises me most
about you is how unglamorous youare.
And it was true. Nat lived her life in paint
splattered track pants, driving a decade old car and keeping her
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glam clothes and heels in a memory drawer.
She had no interest in status for status sake, but she cared
fiercely about the things that mattered to her, from free range
eggs and fostering animals to financial freedom for women.
Her proudest career achievement was building power suit into a
platform that helped 10s of thousands of women think bigger
about what was possible for themselves.
She loved watching them realize that they did not need
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permission to want more. She also had a bloody good time.
Nat collected stories the way other people collect handbags
who close who closest friends included Michelle Obama after
the two meet while speaking at an event together.
Michelle recently reflected thatthey bonded over a shared love
of fun before adding the way. I agree with Kyla, she really
should have upgraded the track pants.
Nat leaves behind approximately 47 partially finished creative
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projects, several foster animalswith behavioural issues, and
alarming number of overflowing cupboards and drawers.
Now, as specifically requested by Nat, Westlife will perform
Flying Without Wings. Please join us to throw
yourselves dramatically at the floor, sob wildly and loudly
declare that happiness itself has permanently lost all meaning
without her. Oh my gosh, I love it.
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Yours is so good. I can see where you went.
Very current detail meets aspirational.
Like that's really interesting. Those two worlds kind of was
like yours is so good, it's so funny.
Your robot's funny. Mine's I got to fire my robot
to. Be fair, most of that was from
my head and then I just got the robot to go like make it into an
obituary, mainly about Michelle Obama was the key part there
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that I really am. Westlife 2 things that I really
need to get out into the universe and the yacht in the
Greek islands. So good.
I love it. I love that there was specific
detail in there. There's aspiration, which is
where I did not go at all, but Ilove that.
And I love the humor. But yeah, great.
So good. I do actually expect people to
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cry at my funeral. Like I'm not one of those people
who's like, I wanted to be a celebration of my life.
I want people to be like, absolutely devastated.
And why does it matter? You're dead.
It matters because I don't want them to move on with their
lives, I want them to spend every day afterwards being like
this would be so much better if no one's.
Here, no you don't actually. Do I'm deeply selfish?
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OK, Well, that didn't come out in your obituary.
Well, yeah, I did in a roundabout way, yes, but OK.
I feel like mine is really like earnest and I feel like I, I,
yeah, but I feel like I need to tweak it based off yours and not
to make it more like yours, but I'm like, I see a few key things
that I was missing and I also. Feel like this is the joy.
Maybe we should write our obituaries every year because
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like, it's cut. Gosh, that's cut.
Yeah, yeah. Mine was super earnest.
And maybe that is like you said,this is the, this is like the
mood I'm in at the moment. So this is so.
Good. Am I gonna cry?
No. No, it's, it's like lame because
my robot's lame, OK. And again, I'm like, first try,
first try, OK. Kristen believed people were
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capable for more than they believed about themselves.
They had a way of no, sorry. Kristen believed people were
capable far more than they believed about themselves.
She had a way of reflecting thatback to them, not through an
empty cheerleading, but through genuine conviction.
She raised her kids to believe they could do anything, and then
made sure they actually tried. Her expectation, however, was
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that when they tried, they really tried.
She chose being uncomfortable over predictable, and they
learned to do the same. She married her best friend and
together they adventured, tried new things, moved countries,
traveled. A healthy, fulfilling
partnership she wasn't sure existed until she found it.
She was intensely focused on herwork, on the people she loved,
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sometimes at the cost of presents.
OK, many times she was deliberate about those who she
let close. And she had a handful of
friendships where she could think out loud, be messy, share
her worries. Joa's friendships were
reciprocal. She gave as much as she got.
She was drawn to big, hard, interesting things, starting
from scratch, refusing the obvious path.
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She needed to see her contribution, land her
fingerprint. And she was willing to sit in
the discomfort and sacrifice if she could see it in the works
herself, in the work. She was most challenged when
surrounded by exceptional people, also not waiting for
things to happen to them. She had a fiercely generous
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heart for women, their freedom, their choices, their right to do
hard things. A power suitor saw herself
differently because of Kristen. Founder took a leap.
A friend left a bad relationship, and when the when
crisis arose, she would take control.
She wanted to do hard things, physically hard, not just
professionally hard. She didn't want to get
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comfortable. She was most alive when moving
through nature, and so she builther life to stay close to it.
The city she chose, the country she moved to or traveled
through, not for the lifestyle, but because it was where she
refueled and where she came backto herself and to everyone else.
Little bit more earnest. Oh my gosh, did you know what I
was just thinking? We could probably ride each
other's open trees because that's probably if you died
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tomorrow. Please don't.
That would be the key things I would touch on for you.
I think it's great. It's just a little bit serious
compared to yours. And then I was like, I could try
and make it serious. I can't.
Bring best friends with MichelleObama.
That is my life goal. Yeah, but it's just so
beautifully funny. Well, I do think it's
interesting the themes for you was like things we know, like
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you are an absolute cheerleader.I also love that we know family
really shines through for you. So I thought that was like the
way you almost showcased your values through how you embedded
them and your children. I think that's such an
interesting idea for parents of like the values you really care
about are the ones you want to instill and have your kids live
by. I think that's like kind of have
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an interesting test for anyone thinking about their values,
like what are the things that you care about for them?
I would say that I didn't hear hear anything about surfing in
there, but like general general.I had it, I had it.
I had some detail both for powersuit and for like surfing in
there. Like I actually had it and it
didn't like it didn't flow. And I said remove detail for
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now, let's just stay high level.And then I think the next
iteration could actually be a little bit.
And we can put a slideshow of you surfing behind it.
So like, there will be imagery to really like, cover some of
the lack of detail. Like again, I feel like when
they described it's actually a manifesto of how you want to
live, I was like, yeah, it probably is like less so then
anyway, I I think. I think the challenge for both
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of us is to rewrite it again in a year's time or such like, But
think from now, because I think what I'd like to do is from now
forward. And Kyler and I talk about this
all the time. And the problem is we are so
deeply satisfied with our lives that we really struggle to think
what would we change? But like, I would love to think
in whatever year's time, 80, let's go. 80 Just for, you know,
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argument's sake, what would lookdifferent or be better or
bigger? Because I feel like both of us
are probably in a state of quitecontent with the lives we've
built for ourselves. Interesting you say that because
I think that's what broke the robot.
Like the robot can't think in meta where you're like, write my
past, but then it's in 80 years.And, and so I think it didn't
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work. And an example, actually, I have
something that I want to change because I'm obviously
transitioning out of investing in my children.
In fact, I tell them to go away and solve their own problems
now. So that's the thing.
But I, for me, I, what I have reflected on as part of this
exercise is in the last 10 years, I have gotten physically
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comfortable. And it's just surprising to me
of the physically hard things I used to do, whereas I no longer
do them like or as often or doesn't feel that way.
And so that was interesting to me and I tried to capture like,
it wasn't a, wasn't able to be like.
You know, you did capture like you like to do hard things
physically and I think that is like when you look, I think we
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both hugely inspired by Olympians and watching people
climb buildings and you're watching a surf competition
right now. All the things that we think and
like going to the moon. Like, I think both of us are
really drawn to and want to practice the things of putting
yourself physically in really uncomfortable situations because
we know from all the research and all the people who do it,
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that is where kind of the meaning of life comes from,
where you feel most at one kind of like.
Well, I thought of you this morning because it is the season
of Peking Everest, of course. And so people started to summer
summit Everest today, and they will do so until the end of this
month. There's only a window of about
12 days per year. And what this one reel that I
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was watching was a woman, as they do, just did the base camp
trek. And I remember you said eight
years ago you wanted to do it. And I was like, why?
But actually after watching the reel, I was like, maybe we need
to do that. No, remember we decided we were
going to go somewhere else in the Himalayas because I think
both of us agreed at the time, Ithought it was something that
like, I don't think either of uslikes doing things that we are
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just going to be instead of a production line of people doing
thing. Like I'm fine doing it at like a
running event or something whereit's like the camaraderie and
the like team effort. But I think we would both prefer
to do like even those beautiful walks over in Europe that I
think both of us want to do as well.
Like, how do you find the ones that are maybe a little bit less
popular? No, I'm not like one of those
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two ways. Like I need to be doing it all
on my own because like go and vent it then, but like something
that feels a little bit more like I am with nature and not
necessarily surrounded. By yes, yeah, yeah, no.
Love it. So I think I think you're right.
There's something interesting about how to capture this and
write this, but also how to actually do stuff to your point,
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like what is the is there? And what's interesting is I, I
feel like I did a lot of physically hard things until my
focus was on my children doing physically hard things.
And then I, you lose yourself and then by the time you get out
of it, you're friggin exhausted.And so I'm so proud that
thankfully, I'm just so thankfulthat we're doing a
professionally hard thing and a meaningful one with impact that
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clearly aligns with both of our values.
I'm like that like. Huge check.
It's actually, it's funny because I think when we did the
personality test, we were very opposite.
But when it comes to values, it's kind of shocking how
similar we are. We're both like, we both want to
take the road less traveled. We're always going to choose the
hard path we want to do. Yeah.
And we love and we love to make an impact on.
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It's kind of interesting that those things because you often
say with the best relationships,like you don't have to be the
same, but like values are reallyimportant.
And I thought that was kind of cool.
But I think there is something in the physically hard like that
slept for my life and I and you know, I'm like, what, what is
that? And I'm doing some boot camp,
which I'm really enjoying. Like I was Uber competitive last
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week, which I loved and I was like alive and the sun was
rising and I was like, I'm like,wow.
Like I'm just so motivated to, you know, like to race myself
another. Like I just love it.
So anyway, the physically the physically hard.
Thing is where we differ you really are attracted to the the
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competition motivates you for exercise.
I I my life hack, my running hack as I always listen to real
survival stories or something when I'm out running because
when I'm like nothing like a steam train and being like, well
with me it's hard. Last week I was running and
there was like someone stuck under like 5 tons of grain and
he was like fighting for his life.
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And I'm always like, if he can do it, I can do it.
Keep flooding along. Right.
But we are inspired by those people.
So I feel like we should be chatting with their partners and
planning something like what is the thing if it's not Everest
Base Camp, like, what is it? It's got to be something because
I'm like, there this there are that.
We are so inspired by these people doing incredible things.
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And I'm like, there's something there.
There's something there we must do.
Because I feel like one of the things that shifted as I've
gotten older and I think I'm pretty comfortable with this is
I'm no longer like, I used to bemore motivated to do like one
peak thing, like I would run a half marathon or want to do a
big like, you know, thing. Whereas now I think I'm more
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when it comes to physically hardthings.
I feel like the physically hardest thing for me has been
consistently being fit and healthy.
And I actually am really comfortable now that for the
rest of my life, if I can comfortably run, you know, 5-10
KS and I'm spending some of my weekend walking up hills or
going to a dance class or whatever it is.
I actually think for me that is better than the old school boom
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and bust of like training to walk up to base camp and then
like afterwards, you know, like it.
That didn't work for me as well.For me, what works is the thing.
The health follows the thing. Like I always was like, oh gosh,
I'm getting out of shape and I'dsign up for triathlon or like
I'd feel a little bit at odds and I'd see a sign to sign up
for this thing or whatever. And so for me, The thing is what
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drags me along because I struggle with, I don't know,
motivation. No, I'm the same like real.
Power and all that stuff so likeknowing there's a deadline or a,
you know, a walk coming up I'm like, oh, better do that physio
or better, you know, yeah. So no, I think there's something
there and I've been toying with that.
There's that thing in the upper North Island people know that
(22:14):
are listening to. To me in New Zealand is where
you like bike and you or do orienteering and stuff.
And I'm like, is that the thing?So I'm just circling like I
don't know what The thing is. You are a cross functional
athlete. Yeah, like I don't know what The
thing is and I but then like my limitation not I don't want to
get hurt. Like I don't like getting hurt.
No, that's. Why I think I've just gotten a
lot more comfortable is I just want a really good baseline.
(22:37):
And like after this, I'm 3:30, I'm going out for jog in Island
Bay and I just said to my friends, do you want to come
too? And so and I'm like, we'll do
our own exercises because everyone's like walking or
jogging or run walking. I like this motivation and going
together. And it's a beautiful sunny day.
And I think I'm comfortable withthat being my goal.
But I would like to talk about work because one of the things I
(22:57):
found really hard with this obituary, as we're doing it in a
work context and we heard about it through a work context and
both of us spoke a little bit about work.
But I found it really hard at the start to not make it all
about work and then go, no, that's what I want people to say
at my funeral. So I'm curious to know from you
like where did where did it makeyou think about your career in
the context of your life like? Impact.
(23:18):
For me, it just had to be like when I taught, when I like, how
did it make me think? It made me realize I don't know
if I'm answering your question properly, but what I do know is
I love surrounding myself by exceptional people that had to
be in there. And I often found that in the
startup world and with people doing hard things.
(23:39):
So as you know, even if I didn'tidentify with the product I was
working with at that time, it didn't matter because it was
still a hard thing. It was A and you know, I felt
like my fingerprint could be in there and it was like something
to nothing. It was all measurable.
But if I think of Power Suit now, we've got the best of all
the world's where it's like all that we get, you're working.
(23:59):
With people. Exactly.
And then you get to it's almost like we get to choose the
impact, which is amazing. And so I didn't cover it a lot
because I just thought it it like I didn't go the
aspirational route. So I think that is that could
easily be a next step. But was only just because I
(24:20):
thought after power suit like I have a list on my phone Nets
next career. Well, it's interesting because
my obituary, as with yours, was very focused around impact and
doing hard things and challenging things.
My next career is fostering and or training service dogs.
I'd started with guide dog puppies, but I actually would be
(24:41):
quite happy with any of them. Like the dogs that work at the
airports, the drug dogs, whatever police dogs.
I want to be a bartender at a local pub, but only like a
coverer of shifts. So like I could go and just do
one shift, but I'm not committedto being physically somewhere.
I would like to form a dance crew.
Like we went to the Newtown festival and I was like, I can
(25:03):
see myself with a dance crew andit's like joyous dancing.
Like they were what's that Brazilian dance where it's just
like ROMs And I was like, amazing.
These careers are not going to pay at all.
If I was just. Going to say these feel like.
But I don't. My expectation, part of my
obituary is I'm not going to need money because I'll have
money. So like lawn mowing, I would be
(25:25):
a lawn mower for people with disabilities and or old people
who can't mow their lawns because I get so much joy out of
mowing lawns, like the joy of like the tidiness and planting
wetlands. I've done it once or twice with
a friend of mine. And again, it's like this like
beautiful manual labor that allows you to then see something
that's going to be felt way beyond your lifetime.
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But like I'm largely doing it for the like the joy of being
outside planting things and noneof those things are high, you
know, high purpose, exceptional people.
And I was like, am I for the next part of my life going to?
And maybe it is just because what we're doing at the moment
is so full on that maybe the things I'm drawn to or their
dream is like, I need to put it down time after this and then
(26:10):
I'll pick something else up. But I'm wondering if in the next
80 years career career is going to feel like a big part or not,
you know? That's where I, that's where I
struggled. I like I went from kind of maybe
I'm dying next year, knock on wood, you know, and I can't, I
just couldn't see that like what, what we're doing next
other than more of the same. And so yeah, it feels like
(26:33):
session number two session #2. We could easily be doing this
for 10/15/20 years, like no one's we're not closing shop.
But it did make me think like, is that when I'm 120?
Yeah, I think, I think what I'd like to be known for, I think is
what we talked about. It's just that, do I want to do
it for the next eight years? OK, I just want to share some
(26:57):
quick tips for those listening is to just go ahead and open up
a robot and just start talking about things about yourself and
you know, just makes it just that that's what.
You have your prompts, could youread?
Because I basically just startedwith a picture of like where
would I like to be when I die? And that Scott was like on a
(27:19):
boat in warm with no. I just gave it a really
specific, Yeah, OK, no, I didn'tdo that.
I gave it a specific tat. This is where I kind of went
into a bit of a pickle. I gave it the real specific task
of an obituary. And then I said, can you ask me
10 questions to start the conversation?
And then it did. Yeah.
And so then and then I didn't like some of the questions.
And then we happened upon a few of the areas and then I wanted
(27:43):
to explore those more deeply. So that was the start of the
conversation. And invariably we, you know, I
had to wrestle a lot with this very annoying, I don't know,
call this person Brenda or something.
But you know, yeah, we ended up yeah, Brandon, but we ended up
we got there kind of in the end.But I think, yeah, that would be
my suggestion is just to crack it open.
(28:05):
Say, look, I want you know, I want to build an obituary or
manifesto in order to filter in order to get.
If he stays sort of tied to terrorism, well, it's.
Not they have How do I? Say planning on dying crystal.
Can I just say they are one of the more successful examples of
a manifesto because they follow them.
(28:26):
They have really clear. But to be fair, I mean, some of
the most inspiring world had manifestos, actually.
Yeah. Hitler.
True. OK.
All right. Nonetheless, it is a a guide for
life. And we want to look back in the
lens. So just wrestle with a robot and
let us know how you get on. That's my that's my ask.
Yeah, and I think maybe one of the things that you could ask
yourself, I was thinking about because you're assuming someone
(28:49):
else is saying this about you, although I wouldn't put it
beyond myself to write my own one to make sure they get a ride
like to have what would I want people to say about me?
Like we talk about it now, what with personal brand, what do you
want people to say about you or think about when about you when
you're not in the room? And I wonder sort of a bigger
picture of that. So I feel like there's probably
(29:10):
a bunch of different ways you can go about doing it.
And I do think you should join us and try and do it, sort of
repeat it as a exercise to even.I think I'm going to try and
keep this somewhere. Yeah, I think we'll clear.
I think we'll get really clear. This was a really great take 1
And I think what we'll do is we will now create the mini master
class off of this. So please do join para suit so
that we can help you. But feel free to test, test a
(29:32):
few things out with a robot, butwe'll get there.
And yeah, thanks everyone. Check out parasuit.com and join
us so that you can attend this mini master class or watch it
after the fact and do it and. If anyone knows Michelle Obama
or Westlife, you know where I am.
I'm joking, but I'm not joking. No, you're not OK.
(29:52):
We'll catch you next time. We hope we're not going
anywhere. All right, people, catch you
next week. Bye.
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