S4 E14: Spend MORE TIME Chasing Predators with Dakota Parker

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SPEAKER_03 (01:21):
What's up guys?
Predator podcast season four.
We have another great episodetoday.
And before I jump in with myguests this week, I just want to
remind everybody uh theWisconsin Open Season
Sportsman's Expo is coming up inWisconsin Dells March 27th to
the 29th this month.
We will be there.

(01:41):
We'll have a booth, we'll havesome hats, we'll have some
thermals, we'll have some coolguns.
Uh you guys better stop in andsee us.
So uh we will see you guys therein a few weeks.
Um, in this week's episode, Ihave a great hunter from the
southwest, Dakota Parker.
He's a fellow Fox Pro fieldstaff member.

(02:02):
Uh he's uh has a YouTube channelcalled Obsessed Predator
Calling, has some great videos.
If you guys are in my Facebookgroup, he posts active stuff in
there that's super cool.
And I finally got him on for apodcast, and uh Dakota here here
he is, and thanks for joining metoday.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
Yeah, thank you for having me on.
I greatly appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 (02:26):
So Dakota is down in Arizona, and uh we were just
talking about the weather.
I have a balmy 65 here inWisconsin today, and it was
t-shirt weather.
Uh, he's down there where it's alittle bit warmer and a little
bit drier, but uh lots ofpredators down there, I believe.
Um, but we will see what Dakotasays about it, and how has the

(02:50):
hunting been for you uh as oflate?

SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Uh it's been going pretty good.
I haven't been going out as muchas I normally do, um with deer
season, elk season, and thenkids stuff, but uh going back in
it full bore now, and it'skilled one yesterday and then a
lot of dry stands lately, butit's that time of year.

SPEAKER_03 (03:12):
Yeah, for sure it is.
It's getting to be that late uhyou know, post-breeding time
where uh it can certainly resultin some dry stands, but um also
you know, I think a time of yearwhere you get some hard callings
when you do get callings, it'sjust seems like there's fewer of
them.
So uh what would you say theoverall like I know I know

(03:35):
obviously that there's no nighthunting uh or no thermal hunting
in in Arizona, so you'restrictly day hunting pretty
much, right?

SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
Yeah, I all I do is is day calling.
I can drive about an hour and ahalf and do night calling with
lights.
Uh it's just something I haven'treally done yet.
You know, I'm in I'm in bed bynine and up at three in the
morning during the work week, soright.
Kind of fits my schedule.

SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
Yeah, no, I don't blame you.
Uh you can't beat uh some goodday calling action.
And um, if you get you guys willhave to check out Dakota's
YouTube channel.
Uh it's called, like I said,obsessed predator calling.
Uh, and he's in that like umit's almost like brush country
kind of a lot of like uniquelooking.

(04:25):
Um it looks like you can't seevery far normally.
Like, what's your average shotdown there?

SPEAKER_02 (04:30):
So I'd say my average shot is probably
anywhere from 20 to 40 yards.
Holy smokes.
Um we I can travel an hour and ahalf, two hours and be in the
rolling hill country.
It's just I like hunting thethick brush.
It's it's a lot of fun get inthere tight with them with a
rifle, and I'm getting them hardcharging my call.
That's just something I like todo.

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But for filming purposes, I needto start going to the more
rolling hills and watch themcome from a ways.
But I just I just like gettingin tight with a rifle instead of
a shotgun and and getting themon the move.
That's why most of my videosthey're running over my call.
I like getting in tight withthem.

SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
Yeah, for sure.
And uh you posted a video theother day kind of of your recap
of your stand.
Um, and you had I now I don'tknow if you did it for the
picture or for the video.
I'm just asking, did did you youuse two calls?
Or did you just have the twositting there?

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
I just I just had two sitting there for the
picture.
Uh I kind of alternate back andforth sometimes depending on
what I'm feeling.
Um, I always take a backup callwith me, and I like this I like
to alternate them, play aroundwith different stuff.
And I have tried multiple callsat the same time, but it's just
too much of a pain trying tokeep up with two remote, two

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remotes.

SPEAKER_03 (05:51):
So, yeah, I could see that.
Yeah, I I would agree with that.
That would be difficult to do.
Um, I have a hard enough timewith one remote and not you know
dropping it and uh you knowclanking it off my binoculars or
whatever it is, but uh yeah, I Iagree.
Um, do you have okay?

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So I know in the picture, Ibelieve it was a shockwave and
an X24.
Do you have like is one of thembetter for one thing than the
other thing?
Or what's your view on that?

SPEAKER_02 (06:23):
So the X24 is by far my my favorite caller.
Uh the X wave, I just got itbecause I've always wanted it
for a long time.
And uh I just I was able to pickit up and I've just been playing
with it.
But uh the X24 is by far myfavorite call.
I mean, it's super small,compact, you got the loud

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volume, pretty much goteverything you need.

SPEAKER_03 (06:46):
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
The X Wave, you can play, you know, you can play
multiple sounds on it, and thenyou also got the Fox motion, and
it's still kind of a smallerunit, but it's just something
I'm playing around with.
I like to I like to dabble in alittle bit of everything, I
guess.

SPEAKER_03 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I totally hear hear you there.
Uh and I know uh you typicallydo you typically shoot 223 uh or
do you bounce around caliberstoo?

SPEAKER_02 (07:13):
So I mainly shoot 223, I also do 243 and then uh a
224 Valkyrie.
I just got into gas guns liketwo years ago, so I'm still kind
of having fun with the AR thingbecause it's always been a bolt
gun until two years ago, and uhI'm probably going back to the
bolt gun, but I'm still havingfun with you know with the ARs.

SPEAKER_03 (07:35):
Yeah, I noticed that in your picture the other day um
that you're shooting a gas gun,and uh I wondered too too if you
like were set on the gas gun orif you like like if I'd
obviously in that that tightcountry, I could see where
having an AR would be nice whenthey come bombing in on you, you

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know, with that looks like uh LVPO on there, and um you're able
to probably get on target quickand get them killed and uh have
a quick follow-up shot if youneed, because you probably I
can't imagine you get too manyshots off before they're gone,
you know.

SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
Yeah, you you don't, and it is nice having AR.
I mean, I have multiple videosout there of calling in two or
several of them and get them allrolled up on the run out.
It's just it is quick, it isnice, it's got a 16-inch barrel,
one by six, so I can get on themfast.
Uh I think it's a super usefultool for Thai country and

(08:34):
calling coyotes, right?
Uh, but when when I go tonorthern Arizona or Southern
Arizona, I I I like a little bitbigger caliber, so like my 243,
uh, just a little bit moreknockdown.
Further shots, their furs alittle thicker.
Yeah, and I have I start gettingspinners when I get into more
colder country.

(08:56):
Uh, so it's I'm just going on alimb and saying it's their fur
has something to do with it too.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:01):
So I've heard that before.
I've heard that uh the big furryones will have thicker uh hides
and like in the west, and youknow, where where that wherever
they get, you know, more furredup.
Maybe I'm just used to thereally furred up ones.
I don't know, because I'm in thenorth.
So they don't have much fur downhere where I'm at.

SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
I mean, it's it's pretty much hot.
You get some nice weather in themorning, then it's warming up
pretty quick.
So they they don't have much forfur here.

SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Yeah, I've seen uh that on your some of your videos
before, and then it seems likelike almost randomly, like
you'll just shoot a night a goodlike a one that looks pretty
good or more furred up, but uh,and then the next one might be
like ratty isn't the word forit, but you know, a lot less
hair.

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
Yeah, well, like I said, you can drive pretty much
from where I'm at, you can drivean hour, hour and a half, and
get into a totally differentcountry, totally different
temperature.
I mean, two and a half hoursfrom me, there's a bunch of snow
right now.

SPEAKER_03 (10:00):
Huh?

SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
It just kind of depends where you're at in the
state to get the different fur,the different temperature and
stuff on the coyotes.

SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Do you have out of all your gunsand calibers and things, do you
have a favorite?

SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Um, it's gonna be my 223, my my little cheap AR
platform right now.
Like I said, I just got into gasguns and I've I've had a blast
with that thing.

SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
Yeah, for a lot of cheap.
For sure.
Uh, and what do you what can isit on there?

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
So I got the Diligent Defense Enticer TIS.
Okay.
See, I just got it probablyabout a month ago.
And so far I'm really likingthat thing.

SPEAKER_03 (10:41):
Yeah.
Just have an adjustable gasblock and you're able to tune it
up, or do you not have no?

SPEAKER_02 (10:46):
I I don't have that.
I just have a standard little ARset up and I'm just running it,
it shoots lights out, so I justdo you get much for gas in your
face?
Uh a little bit at first.

(11:43):
Now I I just I don't notice it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
I mean, I I'm sure I get some, but I just I don't
really notice it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:50):
Yep, no, I get you.
It's not yeah, and it's yeah,I've only seen it a few times
where it's not great, butusually it's not that bad.
You know, uh it's yeah, it'sjust uh some it's weird, like
sometimes you'll throw a can ona gas gun and all of a sudden
it's super super gassy and youhave malfunctions and troubles,

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and then sometimes you screw iton and it's works just perfect.
It just depends how the you knowthe back pressure is and all the
different things, but you haveuh what is that have a is that a
30 cal suppressor or do you havea different end cap on it?

SPEAKER_02 (12:29):
So it's a 30 cal can, but I have the six
millimeter n cap on it.

SPEAKER_03 (12:33):
That's what I thought.
Do you like it?

SPEAKER_02 (12:35):
And uh yeah, yeah, I I I really enjoy it so far.
Um I don't know.
I've took it out probably fouror five times so far, it's been
really good to me.

SPEAKER_03 (12:45):
Yeah.
Did you have other cans beforeyou?

SPEAKER_02 (12:48):
I dropped my 243 off.
Uh yeah.
So I had a silent AF can.
Um I mean it was a good canalso.
All the cans I've ran have beenthey're all good cans.
I mean, they do they do theirjob, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 (13:04):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (13:05):
Um I'm I'm kind of newer into the cans and
experimenting with other cans,so I can't really say much on
the suppressor stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (13:12):
Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 (13:13):
Some people are super high-tech and going for
that.

SPEAKER_03 (13:16):
I'm not either.
I just like the the sound iswhat I care about, and like when
I've bought cans, all I careabout is like, hey, what does it
sound like?
How you know, and I just askpeople those questions.
Like, I don't like the length,the weight, the all that stuff
is not real uh relevant to me.

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It's just more so I care aboutthe the sound, and I don't know
the tech, you know, tech behindall of it.
And you know, I know thedifference between a flow and uh
you know standard, you know,baffle can or a 3D printed, you
know, things like that.
But I mean other than that, youknow, I couldn't tell you the
the like I've had people tell melike, oh, it has this baffle
construction, so it'll bequieter, and I'm like, well, I

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don't even know what that means,but perfect.
That's all I needed.
All I heard was it's quieter.

SPEAKER_02 (14:04):
Well, that's why I want to go back to my 243 bowl
gun, is just to have that littlebit, you know, it can be
quieter, so I'm just waiting forit to get finished, threaded up,
and then I'll probably go backto using that.

SPEAKER_03 (14:16):
Yeah, I yeah, I really like this the 243 and the
bowl gun.
Um, yeah, just like you said,you know, you I shot I actually
shot a ton, a ton of coyoteswith the two with a 223, and I
would just know you know, Iwould just have a spinner, a
spinner occasionally, andusually like pushing that 300,

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you know, to 350 range.
Um, but I just don't have that.
It was my 243, and I got so usedto now, like just everything is
just pretty much dead right onthe spot that I don't you know I
have a hard time not using it.
Uh I'm gonna I'm gonna try a sixcreed at some point here, but uh

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and then I'm gonna see if I likethat the same or better or if
it's any different even.

SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
But yeah, I ran the six creed a little bit.
That's what uh Stacy Morrisruns, and that gun, that gun's a
hammer.
Yeah, it's it's a hammer.

SPEAKER_03 (15:17):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Uh just you know, I just forsome reason I don't know, I
don't know what it is, butthere's just something fun about
trying new stuff, you know.
And oh yeah, you know, it's as apredator hunter, we have so many
things we can try.
There's new sounds, there's newcalls, there's new, you know,
hand calls, e-calls, mouthcalls, uh, you name it.
But uh, I feel like uhespecially nowadays with the

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sounds, um, it seems likethere's always something new
coming out, and every time,every time you think you need to
try it.

SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
I I'm a sound person, I love the new sounds.
I run a lot of sounds on onestand, and I just I I think it
helps a lot, especially with theones that are just released, but
that's my opinion.
But I run I run a lot of soundson one stand, it's just
something I like to do.

SPEAKER_03 (16:03):
Yeah, because I mean down in Arizona, you're
primarily hunting public ground,I presume.
Uh there's probably you know,it's a it's a very public land
heavy state where uh there is alot of public land to hunt.
So I'm sure at any given time,you know, you're probably you're
hunting dogs that havepotentially you know heard call
at some point.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
But yeah, uh well, even even the private land here,
if it's not posted, you can goon it and hunt it.
Um, unless the owner comes up toyou, then you have to leave.
But I mean, in reality, you canpretty much hunt anywhere you
want in the state.
We have gone in and you know, wecould see drag drag marks for
someone just shot a coyote andstuff, so that's really have to

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start changing up your strategyand how you call, where you call
to stay consistent.
I mean, we have a bunch ofcoyotes, yeah, but we also have
a ton of callers, and to killconsistently, you kind of have
to think outside the box alittle bit, I guess would be the
best way to put it.

SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Uh what so on that note, whatare some outside the box things
that uh you're doing to stayahead of it?
And um, how do you um well let'sstart with that question?
Um, how do how do you kind ofthink out the box and try to you
know stay on top of it?

SPEAKER_02 (17:22):
So I look, I I got I'm e-scouting all the time and
I look for super super thickstuff that most people don't
want to walk through.
And I get on there and e-scoutand look for like a little
opening in the back of it or inthe in the middle of it, and
most people don't want to walkthrough that.
Second thing is for years it'sbeen said walk walk further to

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your stands.
So a lot of people are goingfurther back, and I started not
going as far.
Yep, and I start I startedkilling them again.
Now I can't say for sure that'sthe reasoning, but seems like
when I started not going as far,I started killing again, and you
always hear go further, gofurther, go further.

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And I've had really good luck onnot on not doing that and
staying to the thicker stuff.
Most people want the beautifulwide open stand where you can
see a ways, and I you know, 50yard openings and stuff, or 30
yard openings is been reallygood for me.

SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Right.
Um, I think uh I've seen thathere, um, but I'm we're still on
the opposite one.
Uh because with night hunting,everybody just sets up, you
know, right in the easy spot,right in the right off the road,
right out, you know, everyonejust sits sticks right in the

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easy spot, you know.
So I'm still I'm like I'm in thesame boat of like I'm going a
little farther, or just or justmaybe just a little different
access point, or you know,something just a little
different than the standard, youknow, oh this this this is the
spot that looks good, you know,and because that's the spot

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everybody's calling.

SPEAKER_02 (19:46):
Drive three four hundred yards down the road
where it's not as good access,and then walk in right there
into the into the thicketinstead of calling on the other
side of the thicket.

SPEAKER_03 (19:56):
Yeah, and uh you are a soundguy, and you you said you play a
lot of sounds.
What what does that look like ona stand?

SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
So I guess it depends on the year and kind of
where where I'm at.
Different areas here have morepressure than than other areas,
which I can go over that in aminute.
But so we'll say this time ofyear I start off with like a
small rodent sound, kind oflower volume if one's close,
just like what happened to meyesterday.
I mean, yeah, he was sleeping 50yards away from me.

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But uh I usually play a soundfor about a minute and a half,
and then I'm rolling into thenext one, rolling into the next
one, minute and a half, twominutes, and I'm just
consistently changing that for10 to 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 (20:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
Uh I don't really do any pauses unless I'm kind of in
a heavy pressured area, thenI'll throw in some pauses, but
I'm just consistently changingthe sounds up every minute,
minute and a half, two minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
Huh.
Yeah.
And uh you're you are kind oflike I said in most of your
videos, they kind of dive bombin on you a little bit.
And uh do you think that thathelps like keep them coming by
keeping sound going?
Um and you know, kind ofeliminates that, not eliminates

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it, but you know, kind of getsthem the like you what I what I
see happen is like even whenlike uh like for example, um
MFK's cocktail sauce, if you ifyou've ever played it, it will
like play through and then itlike has like a pause in it,
like and I've seen coyotescoming into it, and like it'll

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hit that pause for you know 10seconds or whatever it is, and
they'll they'll stop if yeah andsit and stand there until it
comes back on again, and thenthey'll just keep coming again.
And like seeing coyotes comefrom distance to sounds like
that has made me certainly pauseless because I see that what

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they do when the sound pauses,if they're coming.

SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
Most of them come in probably a few seconds right
after the sound change.
So, I mean, I I'd want to say itdoes help and it kind of makes a
different type of trigger.
Uh, there has been just a fewtimes where I've seen it kick me
in the butt.
So, say, yeah, if if I'm in kindof a pressured area and I'm
playing vocals and I decide toplay like a rodent at the end,

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I've seen them coming in andthen my fingers going down to
switch the sound when I seethem, and as soon as they hear
it is stressed, they they turntail and run.
Right.
But for the most part, they theybomb in right after the sound
change.
I mean, within I'd say 20-30seconds, most of them.
I mean, not all not all thetime, but I would say 80% of the

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time it's right after my soundchange.
Yeah, I would agree.
It's hard to say if they're onthe way or not, but I'd like to
think it it helps, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
Yeah, I always think that too.
Like, I'm always like, Well, youI I think that a lot of times I
noticed that they, you know,showed themselves after I
switched sounds too.
Um, but I always am like, wait,so was he coming to that last
sound and then like he just madeit out here on this one?
Or you know, I don't know,because like a lot of the times
I'm not seeing them uh you knowto that point.

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But you know, I'm I'm most ofthe country I hunt, I'm able to
see enough to where like I'vehad them come, you know, to 500
yards and sit down, and thenI've rifled through you know six
or eight sounds before finally Ifound something that they come
keep coming to.
And yeah, it's interesting.
Obviously, um most of yourstands are a little more fast to

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action, but like being able tosee them come like that um has
definitely changed a lot of myperspective on you know changing
sounds and you know like it'skind of like uh I I know I've
heard like Tori Cook talk aboutlike finding the trigger, you
know, finding what their triggeris, um, what's gonna trigger
them.

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And it's weird when you actuallysee one and you play, you know,
a cotton tail, you play a pupfight, you play whatever, and
then all of a sudden they'rewhat.
Sound gets them to break.
And I've seen it, I've seen itthe opposite direction too,
where I played fights and pupsounds and everything, and then
all of a sudden I turn on cottontail and hear that here they

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come.

SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
Yeah, I I've seen it a couple times too.
It's it's super nice to watchand be able to see that to kind
of see how they interact withthe call and stuff on what
sounds they they do trigger on.
Um I have noticed if you if youcan find one that day that they
are coming to, they usually allcome to that one sound.
Not down here, not necessarilythe sequence, but that one sound

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for some reason that day is theone they want to come in on.

SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
Interesting.
Yeah, I uh ironically noticedwhen I was in Wyoming here a
week or two ago.
Now um every single hard chargerthat came in was two pound town.
And I was like, man, I shouldjust sit down, play pound town,
and see if they come in.
Not actually, but um I've doneit, it worked.

(25:11):
Yeah, I'm sure it would.
And I just like it was justironic.
Um, you know, you do it once,you do it twice, you do it three
times, you think, okay, this isthis is getting weird, and then
it happens again, and then youstart thinking, okay, maybe I
should just come out here andplay pound town and go to the
next stand.
But uh, it's just funny um thatyou say that because I just saw

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I had this happen to me uh aweek or two ago, and I've never
I've never had that happen, Idon't think.
Like, I don't know what it isabout Wisconsin up here and
where I'm at.
I don't know if it's justbecause of the pressure or what,
but like I'll have guys ask meall the time, you know, of
course, the age old question ofwhat sound is working or what
they're coming into.
And uh most of the time I'mlike, man, came into distress on

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this stand, they came into a pupfight on that stand, they came
into you know lone howl on thatstand.
It's usually a very mixed bag uphere.
Um, and I just don't know ifit's just a pressure deal, and
you know, there's just so muchmore pressure that they it
creates this randomness, but Idon't know, it's interesting
though.

SPEAKER_02 (26:13):
Yeah, it it the sound changes pretty much every
day, from what I've noticed.
I mean, for instance, a fewweeks ago, me and my buddy
Travis, he's the one that runsthe Instagram for me because I'm
not a big Instagram person, theobsessed one.
We were out, and like the daybefore they were calling on
distress.

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The next day, we we seen acoyote hit distress, nothing to
do with it.
So I was like, I'm gonna cut outdistress and just go to breeding
sounds and fights.
Soon as I took distress out ofit, they started bombing the
call again, and we got somekilled, and it just it changes
every day.
And yeah, when someone asked meabout sounds, it just you know,

(26:55):
hey, this is what I'm doing thistime of year, but don't be
scared to switch it up becauseit it changes so much, you know
what I mean?
Like, yeah, new stands, nothing,try something else, take this
out, put this in, type of deal.
Just I mean, that's that's herein Arizona.
I think every state may be alittle different, not too sure,
but that's just from myexperience on it.

SPEAKER_03 (27:14):
Yeah, I agree.
I think uh you definitely haveto change it up, and I think uh
I think a lot of times that canbe you know, I'm not, I guess I
don't know for sure, but I thinka lot of times it can be
pressure related, like if ifthey've heard you know rabbit
distress from you know fourother guys in the last two
weeks, like yeah, I don't thinkrabbit distress is maybe as

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effective, but you know, if theydidn't hear uh, you know, pup
distress three or whatever, youknow, is is it is that gonna be
something that might work, youknow, in that area, you know, if
it's something a little bitdifferent.
I know you said you're youyou're you're always using
different sounds and stuff, andI think that's where you know

(27:59):
using different different soundscan be a tool.
I mean, you know, to be able tokind of mitigate pressure, I
guess, or at least or at leastmake me feel like I am.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
It gives you the the confidence, and that's basically
what you need.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
Yeah, that way when one shows up, you expected it to
show up, and it's not like, ohcrap, I wasn't I didn't think
that was gonna happen, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (28:22):
So on the you know, I everybody knows what areas
have more pressure in their areathan other areas.
So like like here there'scertain areas that everybody
calls, right?
So once summertime hits, sayJune, July, is when I start

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going to those super pressuredareas, and I can start killing
those coyotes, and I'll huntthat until around Halloween, and
then I'll go to the areas that Iknow don't don't get that much
pressure to kind of switch upthe areas, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 (28:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
But I do know in the summertime I can locate before
the sun comes up, move in tightto those pressured coyotes and
start killing the educated onesout.
I mean, that's that's what Itell myself to give me
confidence to go into thepressured areas.
Yeah, but I have noticed once Ido that, I can go in the
pressured areas in thesummertime and start killing

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some of those older coyotes, andthen I can do the early season
and do really good until itstarts getting, you know,
someone's calling it every everyday, you know, a different
person.
And that's something I kind ofdo to switch up ground and
pressured and non-pressuredareas is wait for that
summertime to go in there andtry to thin those ones out a
little bit.

SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
Yeah, I completely agree with you there.
Um, I do think that's a greattactic.
I do something similar, uh justyou know, identifying those, you
know, pressured areas and getand just getting in there at a
different time.
You're also talking about adifferent, you know, whole
different life, you know, thecoyotes are at a completely

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different life, you know, stageof life cycle to where they are
a little bit more protective umand aggressive.
So uh at least my opinion, myexperience with that time of
year, it can be you know alittle bit, you know, they they
are in a different mind spacethan they are, you know.
It's a blast.

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Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
I uh summer calling.

SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
I mean, it gets hot as I'll get out here, but he's
gonna say it's a hundred degreesby 8 a.m.
probably.

SPEAKER_02 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean it it will get to 118 and still calm.
I I love it.

SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
That's so hot.
That is that's crazy.
I don't if it was 118, I thinkthey would cancel school here.

SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
I mean, the sun's up at five, do two stands, and you
know, home by eight, ninedepends how far I drive.
I mean, yeah, like I said, Idrive sometimes up two hours for
three stands.
Um you know, when I go out, I doone to three, four, or five
stands and come home.
Uh, I do a couple full day huntsthroughout the year, but mainly

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I just go kill one to four andthen come on home.
You know what I mean?
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
Yep.
Yep, I agree.
Uh I I'm in the same boat too.
Uh obviously, with we both haveyoung kids, and you know, it's
nice to be uh not gone all dayevery day.
Um you know, you're gone allweek pretty much at work, and
then you turn around and you'regone all weekend, it's not as

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easy uh as it once was, youknow.
So uh yeah, I agree.
And when you are going on astand, what what's all coming
with you?
Because I know you film and youdo, you know, different or you
try to film everything, I'msure, but what what's all coming
with you?

SPEAKER_01 (31:48):
So I take I take my tripod, uh, switch over to a
tripod.
I take my X24 or Foxbro and myrifle and a bino harness with
some binos, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 (32:02):
I I stand everywhere here.
Oh unl unless I go up tonorthern Arizona or southern, I
stand.
So basically just my tripodrifle call bino harness, and
that's about it.
I always take some mouth callsand diaphragms with me, also,
and mix in with the standsometimes, but that's that's

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basically it.
I take uh I have a smallcamcorder.
Uh it's thick here, so my camerasetup is on the same tripod.
I I don't do a separate tripod,and my buddy comes with me and
helps film, so it that's allconnected together on the same
tripod.

SPEAKER_03 (32:39):
Nice.
That's pretty sweet.
Uh yeah, I didn't think aboutyou standing, but honestly, from
watching some of your videos, assoon as you said it, it makes
complete sense uh that you wouldstand.
I mean, because it's so thickand you sitting on the ground,
I'm guessing you get less visualthan when you stand.

SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
Well, not only that, but I can I can see him coming
sooner and I can spin betterthan sitting on the ground and
trying to pivot.
I can just rotate my feet andand get on them quick.

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
Yeah, for sure.
Do you have to worry about thesun?
Like, do you do you have to tryto call with the sun at your
back?
Do you have to uh does it whenit's in your face, does it give
you trouble with you know coyoteseeing you, or you think means
you're in a lot of times in thatthicker cover that it doesn't
affect you as much?

SPEAKER_02 (33:29):
So I I try to play the sun and the wind, but
sometimes you can't do it allthe time.
Uh my theory is I mean, I don'treally wear camo or base colors,
it's it's more a movement andjust getting a good backdrop
behind you, or even in front ofyou, even and just your top half
sticking over.
Yeah, uh, I mean, I I have themrunning right by me at 15, 20

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yards and they don't see me.
I I think it's more movementmore than anything.

SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Yeah, I agree.
Uh, I think too, that's one ofthe biggest mistakes a guy can
make is like that that kind ofold crap moment that people have
when they see uh one piling inor you know, catch a glimpse of
one coming in is theyimmediately want to move and you
know, kind of do that panic moveor like uh kind of almost

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startles them and it can causeuh I think them to see you a
little bit or oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:25):
Yeah, that fast movement, they they catch quick.
I try to I try to position mycall from where I think they're
coming from, like hard left orhard right away from me, to so I
can try to get the camcorder onthem and they don't pick up that
movement.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
But uh, I mean sometimes they surprise you and
come from a complete differentdirection, but I was gonna say
they probably do out there inthat thick stuff, they probably
pop up from anywhere at times.

SPEAKER_02 (34:51):
Yeah, I mean we we have good openings too.
I mean, we can see them comingfrom a ways, you know, 100 yards
or so, but most of the time I'mI'm trying to call the more
thicker stuff to get thenumbers.

SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
Yeah, makes sense.
Do you have trouble uh gettingthem like stopped in an opening
and killed?
Or do you shoot them on the movea lot?
Or how does that go?
Because it seems there's allthese like it seems like there's
just like stuff everywhere towhere like like not like to
where you can't see but whereshooting would become you know

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so my it's just something I liketo do.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
Most of my videos you see I should I they're on
the they're on the move.
Um I mute the call and sometimesthey'll stop, but I've noticed
here if you try to whoop them orhowl at them, they they turn and
burn or they pick up the pace.
Uh the early season they'llstop, but you know, after I feel

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like Halloween, they if you tryto get them to stop besides
pausing the call, they they turnand burn.
You don't really get anopportunity.
So I just shoot them on the runin or on the trot end.
That's it's just yeah, it'ssomething I like to do, and it
makes kind of my videos I Idon't know, to me, a little bit
more entertaining.

SPEAKER_03 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Different too.

unknown (36:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
Yeah, well, it makes sense if you're shooting them
close.
I mean, it it kind of makessense to me.
I mean, I don't shoot themmoving very often, but I'm also
you know, shooting them at 180to 300 yards, you know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Uh when when Travis comes with me and we film
together, or I take new peopleout, then I I do everything I
can to get them to stop.
But when it's just me solohunting, I just shoot him on the
move.

SPEAKER_03 (36:40):
Yeah, that one you put the otherday, the one that kind of comes
from the right, and it didn'tlook like it was well, what how
far was it again?
Was it 15 yards?
Yeah, it was it was about 20yards, yeah.
And the thing just locked up andwent feet straight up in the
air.

SPEAKER_02 (36:58):
Yeah, he uh I I like to run the decoy just you know,
if there's a cat around and thatthing, if it's going, they're
not they're not stopping.

SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
They're they're locked in.
Yep, that's my experience toowith the decoy.
Do you have many cats there?
We have quite a few cats, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
Yeah, uh, I've I've killed quite a few.
I I need to target them a littlemore, but usually I just I I
like to run and gun for coyotes,you know, in and out, in and
out.
I'm not a very patient person.
Uh, but most of the cats I killare within seven minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (37:34):
Yeah, I agree.
Uh I'm not very patient either.
It's one of the hardest thingsfor me to do is to call cats.
Like uh, I killed uh my cat umthis year and it didn't come in
until like 30 some minutes, andI was ready to leave so much
sooner than that.

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Or I'd be on a stand thinkingI'm cat hunting, and then I
would coyotes would howl and I'dimmediately just throw
everything out the window andjust I would just want to kill
the coyotes and I would forcompletely forget about the
cats.
So uh yeah, my patience level isnot there either for cats.
I always tell people that Ireally love killing cats or

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calling them in, but I hatehunting them.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (38:22):
Well, I keep I keep trying to go for uh mountain
lions, and I'll make the trip.
I'm like, all right, I'mserious, I'm gonna do it this
time.
And I always end up seeing acoyote or hearing one howl, and
then I just go into coyote modeand the lion thing goes out the
window.
I just need to focus on it andactually get it done because I

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mean, within 10 minutes, I'mlike, all right, I'm antsy, I'm
ready to go.

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Yeah, no, exactly.
Me too.
I uh I feel the same exact way.
It is, I mean, yeah, it's justthere's something about the fast
pace of coyote hunting that justis fun and like it's almost like
that, you know, kind of mindsetof if it doesn't work or you
don't call one in, we can justget to the next stand.
And the faster I can get to thenext stand, the better chance I

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have to call one in.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (39:11):
Well, uh, like I said, that's when they're
calling the me trying to get theextra stuff in the filming goes
out the window, and I'm just inI get into kill mode and go, go,
go, and I just start busting outstands.
It's just something I I like todo.
To me, that's that's my pleasurehunting is the run and gun type

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style.
We can't do contest here, sothat's just kind of my my way to
hunt them, I guess.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
And uh, since you don't use ashotgun and you shoot these a
lot of these coyotes reallyclose, do you shoot any certain
bullet or what kind of bulletsdo you shoot typically?

SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
Uh I do use a shotgun every every now and
then, but I I shoot the 55 grainV Max uh out of my 223, and it
just I've had good luck with it.
I mean, it just it stones themright there.
I mean a good shot placement,and they're they're going stiff.

SPEAKER_03 (40:08):
Um, and you're shooting factoryammo, I presume.
Yeah, nice.
Yep, factory.
Nice.
Yeah, I had a lot of good lucktoo.
Uh when I shot 223, that's whatI shot too, was the 55 grain V
Max, and I had good luck withit.
I locked up a lot of coyoteswith that gun, and uh, I
actually really liked shootingthem with it.

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I just I you know, just overtime, just like I said, I just
am always trying somethingdifferent and just yeah, but
great, great gun.

SPEAKER_02 (40:39):
I think if I was shooting past a hundred yards
consistently, I would not reallyuse it.
Yeah, but for a hundred yardsand in, it's just it's it's
cheap to shoot.
Um yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (40:51):
That's true.

SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:55):
It works.
Uh yeah, that makes sense.
Okay, and you can't okay, solet's kind of talk a little bit
more about Arizona because youthere's a lot of different rules
there, like with night hunting,with no contests, with um, you
know, uh some of that stuffobviously is gonna help the day

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hunter, um, limit pressure, um,sort of, but it's still but the
thing that's the weird about itto me is like or from the
outside looking in, of course,is just everyone has to do the
same stuff almost.
Like, there's no like way to bereal different, you know what I
mean?
Other than with your sounds andyour you know, approach.

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Like, you can't just oh, thisarea gets pressured, I'm gonna
night hunt it, you know.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (41:45):
They so you you can night hunt certain areas certain
times of year, art artificiallight only.
Uh so yeah, every everybody'sout day calling, but most of
them get in it and then they getright back out of it, and they
really don't try to play thewind, they don't really try to
put in the effort, they just goout and have a good time, hit
some dirt roads type of deal.

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But I mean, we have I feel likewe have a really good population
of coyotes, and there's so muchpublic ground, you can get into
places where people don't reallycall.
Yeah, um, I mean, it probablygets called, but if you east out
enough and try hard enough, youcan get into you can get into
areas that don't get reallypressured that that much to can

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to stay consistent on killing.

SPEAKER_03 (42:31):
Yeah.
Do you have um in the fall andsuch when like your elk seasons
and your big game seasons arein, do you have uh more trouble
kind of finding places to calllike that, or is there just
enough area that you can and youknow kind of areas where people
will be and won't be?

SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
So that depends on the on the on the place in
Arizona, right?
So you go to northern Arizona,that's where all your elk
hunting's at.
Southern Arizona is mule deer,coos deer around here is is mule
deer, yep, in the Sonorandesert, but there is areas that
the deer are, and then there'sareas the deer aren't.

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Uh once the once the deerhunting starts, it does get a
little harder because of all thepressure.
You just have to kind of moveyour stands, move your areas to
stay out of people's way.
Uh, it's hard to get a big gametag here, so I don't want to
mess anyone's once in a lifetimehunt up.
But kind of where I'm at, Ireally don't have to worry about

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that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Yeah, you know, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
When you get up in northern Arizona and Southern
Arizona is when you kind of haveto really take that in
consideration.
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (43:46):
Yeah, it takes uh takes guys 20 to 20 plus years
to get an elk tag there.
They probably don't want to rollup on a guy trying to do some
coyote stands.

SPEAKER_02 (43:55):
Exactly.
That's why I put in for the thehard units.
I do some OTC OTC OTC stuff, andI don't get nothing big, but I
get the meat, and that's that'sall that matters for me.

SPEAKER_03 (44:06):
Totally.
Did you have a video the otherday uh that was a uh coyote in
town?

SPEAKER_02 (44:12):
Yeah, that was uh I was on my I was on my break
eating, I looked out the windowand there was a coyote coming
through the parking lot.
There is there's a lot of citycoyotes in in Phoenix and Tucson
and all that stuff.
There is a healthy population ofthem.

SPEAKER_03 (44:28):
Huh.
That's crazy.
I've never seen one uh in townor anything like that before.

SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Yeah, they're all over the place.
They just roam the sidewalks andeverything.
I mean, they just look at youand you know, they just keep
going.
They really don't care.

SPEAKER_03 (44:42):
Wow.
That would be that would beweird.
We have we have uh red fox alittle bit.
Like I had one on my door camerathe other night at my house, but
like it's there there's some redfox that will like kind of
linger around town a little bit,but like for the most part, we
don't really have coyotes uhthat clump that close.

(45:03):
Uh I did hear one last night.
I I got woken up from one thatwas howling, and it had to be,
you know, probably seven, eighthundred yards from my house.
I live right on the edge of townthough, so it's not like it was,
you know, it certainly wasn't intown, but uh that would be
weird.
I think people up here wouldpanic if they saw a coyote in

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town.
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_04 (45:27):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (45:28):
It's kind of I mean, I've seen them in front of my
kids' school and stuff.
They mainly come in at at nighttime, you know, especially when
it's dry.
You know, we've been in adrought pretty bad.
They come in for food and allthat stuff, try to grab people's

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pets.
It it actually happens a lothere.

SPEAKER_03 (46:54):
Yeah, I could see that.
See, because like it's stufflike that down there that people
up here see videos of, and thenthey everybody thinks that you
know, if there's a cow around,it's gonna eat all their pets,
and uh which it which obviouslyit does happen.
Uh uh, we just thankfully don'thave um them coming really into

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town uh like like down there.
But I've I've heard that before,but like that video you had with

SPEAKER_02 (47:20):
like it looked like a decent sized coyote like broad
daylight in town I was like wowhe was eating the geese across
the street on the pond I meanthat's where he was coming from
he was he was healthy you knowlast year I think it was last
year there was a coyote in acertain area that I think it
snatched two different kids andit tried I mean it went after

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him and that that was just lastyear so the city coyotes I mean
they need to do something aboutthem they're yeah for sure
there's a good population ofthem yeah have you ever traveled
anywhere and hunted coyotes inother states uh yeah I went to
New Mexico Texas I'm fromArkansas Oklahoma area so I used

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to hunt down there a lot andthat's Colorado and that's
that's about it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:09):
Did is Arizona your favorite place to call it yeah
okay if you if you couldn't callArizona where would be your next
place to go uh probably NewMexico yeah very similar right
or is or is New Mexico isprobably probably a little more
it's similar yeah it's it's alittle more open it's just the

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public land thing is a huge it'sa huge benefit I mean I don't
have to worry about trying toget land running out of stands
uh I do miss calling back inArkansas Oklahoma area you know
that's super fun to call but Ilike it here in Arizona I do
want to try the thermal thingthough I've never even seen a

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thermal I've never lookedthrough a thermal so I I'm
always watching all thesethermal videos you know like oh
man this looks like a blast yeahit's fun uh it's it's fun but
it's nothing like uh day huntingI mean you you would probably
get a kick out of it for alittle bot a little while I'm

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sure like just it being new anddifferent and then I'm guessing
like you'd probably be reallygood at it because you if you
can master the nerves of likethe day hunting and Kyle's
charging in like the thermalhunting doesn't compare in my in
my opinion like the day huntingand like the intensity of a day

(49:33):
stand and the excitement is somuch higher it just makes uh
your next thermal stand feellike it's you know just not
quite as exciting I guess.

SPEAKER_02 (49:44):
Yeah you just got to be able to pattern them like I
guess for night like daytime myfirst stand or second stand I
want to find their travel routefrom their food source to their
bedding and then once the sun'sup I need to find what what they
like to bed in and what theylike bed around and I guess I
would probably struggle at nighttrying to figure out where they

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are at nighttime instead ofverse daytime the morning versus
midday versus right eveningtime.

SPEAKER_03 (50:12):
Yeah that makes sense and like that that's a
good point though like with thepublic land because where I'm at
it's all permission like we havevery little public land like you
know I have to I have to youknow text five landowners you
know before if I've eventhinking about hitting you know

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their place and always you knowtrying to keep talking to
landowners get new spots youknow figure out where people are
hunting if other people arehunting these properties um you
know it's just kind of a likeyou know a lot of guys have to
really like manage their spotsand manage their landowners is a

(50:57):
whole another portion of youknow the hunting up here uh like
when I was in Wyoming last weekyou know we just rolled and
hunted public land like I neverhad to worry about you know
running out of spots or it wasjust keep driving to the next
you know yep so that part's nicee even with the public land it's

(51:19):
still you know I can drive fourhours pretty much any direction
and call along the way but itstill takes a good amount of
work to to kill a lot per yearyou know putting in the miles
the the time and all that stuffso I mean it's still it it's
easier to find land but it stilltakes a lot of work to to to

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stay in them consistently forsure for sure yeah and and like
you said just kind of knowingwhere there's pressure uh being
able to just work around itfigure out be different and
that's a huge part of it I thinkjust being different is always
helpful like up here out there Ifeel like that's you know can be

(52:04):
something that everybody useseverywhere is when you are up
against pressure you're upagainst conditions just try
different things uh don't beafraid to play a sound that you
might think hmm I wonder whatthis sounds like yep and
scouting I feel like scoutingand knowing where they're at for
that time of day is is iscrucial.

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Yeah I I agree actually when Iwas in Wyoming I really was that
was one thing that I struggledwith was that big huge country I
did I thought there was gonna becoyotes everywhere kind of I
guess I've I'm like used to youknow everywhere I've been

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there's pretty much been coyotesyou know pretty pretty available
everywhere you know but likethat that huge huge country I
don't know if it was just thetime of year if it was weather
if it what it possibly was butit seemed like they were really
pocketed like there was onethere there was two over here

(53:07):
there was you know and I wishyou know obviously learning
experiences my first time goingout there but like things like
that that I'm like man what whatis it or what am I I don't know
what I'm looking for you know Idon't know what exactly I should
be keying in on to hunt you knowthis midday or this night nights

(53:28):
were actually harder for me outthere than than day I never
killed the coyote at night outthere and that's kind of to
think about but it was harderfor me because I it was such big
huge country and the moon wasbright and I would they I would
see them I would hear them butthey would all be out at 1400

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yards 1500 yards and just theyhave no reason to come any
closer because they can see theygot vantage they got you know
and I think you know part of itwould be me not knowing the
country good enough you knowmaking going into most of these
stands for the first time in thedark uh it's it it was harder I

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thought at night it was gonna beyou know they're gonna be
running the call over like theywere in the daytime but I feel
like at the in the daytime I wasable to just get a better feel
for where I needed to be andbeing in the right spot versus
at night I just you know didn'tI felt like I just didn't get in
the right spots all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (54:34):
I still struggle with that sometimes.
Yeah yeah but I think you knowhere they they can't they can't
check up at 1500 yards and checkit out so I they they have to
come in and poke their head upat least to see you know the
curiosity get the best of them.
Yeah I mean but it does suckwhen they check up 30 yards from

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you and they're on the otherside of this little baby thicket
and you can't can't get a shot.
I mean that that gets irritatingbut yeah it's still still fun.

SPEAKER_03 (55:03):
Yeah no I agree uh I know we've kind of talked a lot
about this um but one the onequestion I like to ask people a
lot is what is something thatyou do that is different uh than
most of the people out therethan most of the people in your
area I think I put in more timethan most people um I mean at

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one point in time I was going ifI had a spare hour I was going
out.

SPEAKER_02 (55:28):
Yeah now I try to go out at least at least once a
week twice a week but put in thetime seeing where the coyotes
are at driving the dirt roadslooking for the tracks seeing
bless you thank you driving thedirt roads and seeing um where
where they're crossing at wherethey're going just spending the

(55:48):
time out there and getting toknow the areas they like and
spending the time and callingand locating and to me I just I
put in a lot of time.

SPEAKER_03 (55:58):
Yeah a lot of time and in learning where you where
are good stands like exploringnew country I assume I'm
guessing you're always probablytrying to explore new country
make new stands um you know findfresh stands whatever it might
be I spend hours on onyx I meanyeah I'm not in the desert I'm

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looking at the desert on on onyxI mean like I said I even if I'm
tired from work and I want toget up I I push myself to get up
and I I go out I just to me Ifeel like time is is probably
something a little bit differentthan than other people here.
Yeah I agree and just putting inthe effort in 100% yeah no that

(56:41):
and and also that's that's howyou get experience that's how
you get better that's how youlearn that's how you know all
the things that you uh are doingthat you you know I feel like I
feel like people that you knownot that it's not fine like
obviously if someone only likesto hunt every once in a while
that's totally fine but you knowsomeone that only goes out every

(57:04):
you know couple of weeks or oncea month for a few stands they
you know if they hunted with aguy like you you'd you would be
able to again handle thosesituations where the coyotes
piling in or you know keep yourcool keep your composure you
know know how to respond andreact in those situations

(57:25):
because you've done it so muchand well I feel like if say say
you can't go out and actuallyphysically spend the time out
there get learn how to read on Xthe the Google maps learn what
to look for on the maps and youcan start picking out your
stands online uh I I do that alot once I figured out all right

(57:50):
I need to find a water sourcenearby I need to find good cover
and you can start picking standsout online and really benefit
you if you don't if you don'thave the time to physically go
look at it.

SPEAKER_02 (58:02):
Right.
Yeah I think that is it's workedin my favor a lot and once you
learn how to read the maps Ifeel like it's a huge tool to to
be able to use to to pick standsout.

SPEAKER_03 (58:15):
Yeah I agree.
One thing that I did when I wentto Wyoming was the first thing I
did when I got out there was Ijust drove around and looked at
some of these spots that I wasyou know eyeballing and stuff
because I didn't really knowwhat I was looking at on a map.
You know I I could tell well ofcourse you can tell some things
but like some of the stuff lookslike there's nothing there.

(58:38):
Then you get out there andthere's all kinds of cover and
all kinds of places they can belike just being able to identify
what I'm looking at uh on the onOnyx you know being in
completely 360 degree differentcountry than I'm used to
hunting.
So yeah uh that's you knowobviously but I think it goes
back to two like even even if Iget a new property up here I can

(59:02):
probably I can probably look atonyx and probably get myself in
the right spot but it stillalways helps to see it and yeah
I usually you know can getmyself in about the right spot
but um seeing it in the daylightalways helps um but I can at
night you're obviously you'reyou can't see so sometimes you

(59:27):
do set up a little bit wrong orin the you know with a didn't
see that one low spot where thatcowout came in or whatever but
um just seeing them in thedaylight and you know that's the
that's the one advantage of dayhunting too that I like is you
can see you know what you'rehunting and see what you're

(59:47):
walking into you can see tracksyou can see sign you can see
different things like that thatyou just don't see at night and
um there's just a lot obviouslyit's dark out so there's a lot
of unknown but and you can seethe back of your eyelids at 9
p.m yeah no kidding yeah yeah uhyeah that's interesting I think

(01:00:12):
it's super cool uh that you areable to you know get out and
hunt as much as you are becauseI mean getting out and and
calling is one of the you knowmy one of my favorite things to
do and when you're able to getout and call that much and get

(01:00:32):
coyotes killed I mean it uh itcertainly do you do you hunt
really anything else you I thinkyou mentioned you hunted some
OTC deer and different thingsand send in for some tags but
obviously you can't even getthat many tags as a resident
right like you can't get an elktag every year.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:50):
Yeah I can for oh for over the counter it's a
super hard hunt uh I killed amule deer last year uh killed an
elk um got my father in law andmy brother-in-law their first
elk over the past few years uhI'm really getting into the
snoring mule deer stuff it'ssuper hard it's a whole nother
learning curve but yeah I liketo I like to hunt other stuff uh

(01:01:14):
just the main thing is coyotesyeah and for sure I'm super
fortunate that my wifeunderstands how much I love
hunting for sure and lets me gothat's why I do one three you
know four stands to come homeshe's you know like I said once
a week sometimes twice a weekI'm leaving in the mornings
going calling trying to comeback early so that's definitely

(01:01:36):
a huge benefit is her beingunderstanding that I love to
hunt and lets me spend that muchtime out there in the desert.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:44):
Yeah that's huge uh I know I get that all the time
too how does your wife let youdo that and how do you get to
hunt so much how do you get togo on those trips and do that
stuff but obviously um they knowhow much it means to you and of
course we're appreciative ofbeing able to do it uh and um I
always tell people I've alwaysbeen this way I'm always like

(01:02:07):
she she doesn't know anythingdifferent because I always uh
you know when she met me I wasstill I was hunting I actually
probably hunted more back thenso yeah you know before kids and
everything like that it was uh alittle easier to go hunt all day
and night and go and do whateverbut um now it's I'm I'm a lot

(01:02:29):
more like you I like to go makea few stands you know two three
stands four stands maybe uh andyou know hit some good spots get
home and I'm good with that youcan still get a pile on three to
four stands yep absolutely Iagree especially if you uh uh
hit it right and uh the hardpart for me is when you hit like

(01:02:52):
two or three stands and you killon all of them and you're like
dang it now I now I don't wantto stop yep so in in November I
I just want to talk about thestand because it was the coolest
stand I've ever had in NovemberI went out and like 30 seconds
into the stand I had a coyotecome in and dropped it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:13):
I kept gone another one came in I killed five
coyotes and a bobcat withineight minutes on the same stand.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:21):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
Yeah it was leading where did the bobcat come like
what what uh so the bobcat wasnot second to last and it came
out to a coyote fight food fightwow but I kept shooting they
kept coming and it was it wasone of the coolest stands I've
ever had and it was the onestand I did not bring my

(01:03:43):
camcorder on.
Of course the story of everybodywho films the stand where they
didn't bring the camera yeahthat is the worst I've been
there way too many times but Imean it just you never know that
that's what I love about cloneis you never know what can
happen at on any stand you knowwhat I mean that's that's what's

(01:04:06):
awesome about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:07):
Yeah that's that that is what what is the most
fun on it is uh that unexpectedsurprise and then you know when
a plan comes together it it justmakes it that much better.
Yes sir all right Dakota I havereally enjoyed this conversation
and appreciate you coming onwith me uh I know you are real

(01:04:30):
close to a thousand subs on yourYouTube channel so tell
everybody what your YouTubechannel is so they can go and
subscribe and get you to athousand subs.
So my YouTube channel isobsessed predator calling uh
same thing with Instagramobsessed predator calling I try
to put out weekly content umwe're trying to kick it up and

(01:04:52):
do more than just kill stuff butuh yeah obsessed predator
calling YouTube and Instagramand I appreciate you uh having
me on here and talk aboutcoyotes yeah man it was awesome
I'll put all the your info inthe description below and
whatnot so guys can click on itand find it and check out your
stuff um if you guys are not inmy Facebook group you should be

(01:05:13):
because uh Dakota posts some ofhis videos and kill shots and
stuff in there too so anotherplace that you can see them and
keep up with it but uh yeah wellI will let you go and thanks
again for coming on with me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:29):
Yep thank you for having me have a good evening
yeah you too see ya thank youfor listening to this episode if
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