S4 E17: Family Predator Hunting Adventures & Behind The Gensmers with Jordan & Kelsey Gensmer Family

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SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Welcome to season four of the predator podcast.
Presented by Dark KnightOutdoors, our first voice for
quality thermal optics.
If you're a predator hunter orwanting to become one, you're in
the right place.
Here's your host of the PredatorPodcast, Drew Schlimm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22):
What's up, guys?
Predator Podcast, season four.
I am here with the whole Gensmerclan from Pullback and Let Go.
And we are in person.
I have no video for you guys,thankfully, but we are gonna
record a podcast here tonight.
We're in the Dells at the uhexpo, and these guys are

(01:45):
gracious enough to sit down withme.
Um if you guys have followed theshow, you guys know that this is
uh a great partner of mine, andyou guys know how I feel about
partnerships, and these guys arepartners, so uh I'm thankful for
them and that they're here todaywith me.
So um I'm gonna give let themall give us a little intro.

(02:05):
Uh we can start with Jordan.
What's up?
And Kelsey.
Hello, we got Sage and Austin.

SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Hello.

SPEAKER_04 (02:16):
Alright, we got them all here today.
So um let's kick it off and giveus a little bit of a background
and how you guys kind of startedthis whole pullback and let go
uh business that you are heretoday for.

SPEAKER_03 (02:32):
Uh pullback was started back in 2018.
Um it was a trip to ATA withsome buddies, and pullback and
let go was like something wesaid.
Um, like, oh, we're gonna goback and pull back and let go on
a big buck tonight type thing.

SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
And um my one buddy's like, you should start
an Instagram page, you should dothis, you should do that, and
I'm like, We'll have so manyfollowers by the weekend, and
I'm like, oh, okay.
And I don't know, it didn'texactly go out that way, but um
we did start a page and we didprint a shirt and we did get a
hat, and then all of a sudden,you know, this guy wants one,

(03:11):
that guy wants one, and I'mlike, well, maybe there's
something here.
And with the help of my wifeKelsey, we started pullback and
let go.

SPEAKER_04 (03:20):
When uh when was this?

SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
Uh like 2018, but I would say when we launched
actual clothing.

SPEAKER_06 (03:27):
It was like that fall.

SPEAKER_03 (03:29):
Um, I don't know the exact timing.

SPEAKER_06 (03:31):
Kelsey might remember that better than me,
but you created the logo, yeah.
And then Kayla helped us dothat.
And then we did the hats and acouple t-shirts, and then we
owned Anglers Haven Resort inHayward, and we just kind of
well, we were behind the bar allthe all the time, so it was all
just like word of mouth andeverything, just talking about

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it.
And then we sold the hats andthe shirts at the resort because
we also have apparel there.

SPEAKER_04 (03:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (03:58):
Um, so we just started bringing it into there,
and then as time kind of camealong and the page started
growing, and we decided to keeprolling with it and just see
where it goes, because it's kindof just like a little passion
project.
Well, if Jordan's and mine, um Imean we do archery hunt.
I mean, that's like our that'sour jam.
I mean, Jordan during rifleseason will not sit with a

(04:21):
rifle, yeah.
He'll only go out with a bow.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
And then um well the kids the kids have kind of
changed that, but yeah.
A little bit.
But I still do.

SPEAKER_06 (04:30):
Right.
And then um over time, just ohactually, I think we're on three
and a half years.
We went brick and mortar withpullback and let go and moved
that into Stone Lake, which isjust south of Hayward.
Um, it we live in Stone Lake aswell, so it's kind of nice.
It's a little like right downthe street from us.

SPEAKER_04 (04:48):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (04:48):
So we've been there for three and a half years.
We did that because we wentfull-blown apparel, like apparel
lifestyle brand is what we are.
And we were tripping over boxesat the resort.
I mean, we were double dutyingeverything out of there.

SPEAKER_03 (05:04):
Working for anglers clothing and finding pullback
and finding pullback and lookingfor anglers.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (05:09):
We need to so it was at the point where we're just
like, okay, we need a warehouseor something.
You know, we're shipping ordersall the time.
So I'm setting up boxes on thebar before we open, you know,
shipping from there, all of thatstuff.
And um, Cranfest, which is inStone Lake, it brings in like 30
to 40,000 people in six or sevenhours of one Saturday in
October.

SPEAKER_04 (05:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (05:29):
And that building was available.
He he noticed that um afterCranfest, it was still
available.
So we called like that week, andthat's when we decided that we
were just gonna rent there andand we moved everything over
there, which has gone reallywell because we've been dealers
for like big time and black eggcameras and you know, stuff like
that for years.
And we had pallets delivered tothe resort.

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Now they're living in the garagethere, taking up space.
So we just moved everything overthere.
So that really was nice, andlike hodeg and all that, you
know, a whole bunch of brands.
Now we have a space for that.

SPEAKER_04 (06:03):
Right.
Yeah, and then uh from talkingwith Jordan today, he kind of
walked me through uh you guys asyou started out, you know, being
resorters and having the resort.
He kind of mentioned, you know,they sort of or you guys sort of
use the resort to kind of kickoff the pullback and let go,
just to kind of see, you know,how it would go.

SPEAKER_03 (06:25):
Like our friends knew about it and stuff, but
then it was like our customersat the resort were like, Well,
what's that?
And then you explain it to them,like, oh that's neat, or
whatever.
And you know, you'd have like aperson who's not a bow hunter be
like, Wow, that's really great.
And I'm like, Okay, this mightreally have some traction.
Yeah, and at the same time, Iwish We've never seen a bow, let
alone pulled one back, right?
And they think it looks great,so it's like we're onto

(06:47):
something here.

SPEAKER_06 (06:48):
I wish we could almost keep it at the sh at the
resort because there's so muchconversation in that moment.
Like you'd have, you know,you're selling feet or whatever,
and the guy will just pull up tothe garage and you just start
loading his truck, you know.
It's just that impulse buy sortof situation too at the resort,
you know, they're having a goodtime too, but it's right there.

SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (07:06):
So it's been different going to the brick and
mortar concept of things, butit's been successful in itself
because it's now it's separatedfrom the resort.

SPEAKER_03 (07:13):
Right.
And I think it's offeringsomething from I think it's
offering something in Stone Lakethat other places in Stone Lake
don't have.

SPEAKER_06 (07:21):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (07:22):
Where you don't have to drive to, you know, Rice
Lake, Hayward, or or maybe noneof those places have what we
have, which is also true.

SPEAKER_06 (07:29):
But and we do try to stick with American Made as much
as we can to like GrizzlyCoolers.
We brought them in like a yearand a half ago.
So that was nice because that'syou know, it's just a lot of
stuff, you know.
Right.
We wouldn't have room there.

SPEAKER_04 (07:42):
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
Uh so you guys are busy peopleto say the least.
Uh as you run a resort, youknow, in the non-pullback and
let go busy season, you run thebrick and mortar store for
pullback and let go.
Um, kind of walk me through yourguys' year.
Uh, you start resorting, you goback to show season, which

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brings us here.
Right.
Uh, how does your calendar yearrun uh besides being busy all
the time?

SPEAKER_03 (08:11):
Um I guess we could take it from where we are right
now.
Yeah.
Um, we're at the Dells doing theDell show, which we've done for
the last, I think, five or sixyears.

SPEAKER_06 (08:20):
Yeah, something like that.
Whenever it moved to the yearafter it moved from Madison, and
then we came here the first yearas like just as customers or
just you know, seeing ourfriends.
Walked around.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (08:32):
Um, so we do this show, and then after this show
is kind of our ending of showseason.

SPEAKER_06 (08:40):
Yeah, but we would and then we do Iowa.
So that was a couple weeks ago.
Yep.
Yep.
So that March is March is ourshow march.

SPEAKER_03 (08:46):
Right, right.
And then then now we go back togetting ready for the resort
because we open May 1st, sevencabins, and the bar and
restaurant, and then we do thatseason until uh the second
weekend in October.
And then we close the resort andthe bar because there's this

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little thing called bow hunting.

SPEAKER_04 (09:08):
I was just gonna say that is a very convenient time
for a guy.

SPEAKER_03 (09:13):
It was almost like it was planned that way.
Um, so then we bow hunt.

SPEAKER_06 (09:17):
Um you're gonna be closed during hunting season,
uh-huh.
I'm gonna be in the woods.

SPEAKER_03 (09:22):
And then I help an outfitter out in Montana.
Um, this year I'm actuallyhopefully going to chase an elk
with my bow.
Um, I haven't drawn yet, butwe're applied.
Me and you are gonna be waitingfor that April 15th, exactly.
And it's so fast now.

SPEAKER_04 (09:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Doing that, and then um so bow hunting in the fall.

SPEAKER_06 (09:44):
He leaves for like a month.

SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
Yeah, help the outfitter, um, bear trap
outfitters, and uh then I comehome and catch whatever tail end
of the rut or I can if I don'thave something right done.
Try to get Kelsey out in thewoods.
Uh, she had a bear tag this lastyear.
Um, was successful.
That's her story.
Maybe we'll dip into that alittle bit later.

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Um, and then um we go throughwinter.

SPEAKER_06 (10:11):
We homeschool our kids now.
We did that this year.

SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
Yep, and we always make a trip down with our
friends to Illinois.
It's kind of a New Year's Eveparty late season bow hunt
trapping trip.
Yeah.
And it's turned into ourfamilies getting together and
doing that, and we have a ton offun.
Um, it's kind of an adventure initself.
Yeah.

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Um, and then and we're back tothe season.

SPEAKER_06 (10:38):
Yeah, we're back to show season and back to so we've
been at the resort for this willbe our 19th year.

SPEAKER_03 (10:44):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_06 (10:44):
Yeah.
So we were 23 and decided thatit'd be cool to buy a resort.
I don't know if we're stupid orcrazy.

SPEAKER_03 (10:52):
And it was cool, it's just a lot of work.

SPEAKER_06 (10:53):
Yeah, it is.
So May to the middle of October,we are there every single day.
Like we're owner operated, sowe're behind the bar.

SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (11:00):
Every hour that we're open.
Um, clean to clothes, we say.
And we have Mondays that we'reclosed.
So we try to just do familystuff that day.
Um sometimes it's paperwork orwhatever, however, sometimes
it's food plots, sometimes it'stree stands, stand crop,
sometimes it's you know.

SPEAKER_03 (11:16):
Yeah.
But that's become kind of afamily affair anyway.

SPEAKER_06 (11:19):
And it's become a sacrifice for the kids to just
be at work with us all the time.
And if they don't get the parenttime because we're working, but
now they're at the age, they're10 and 13, so they're you know,
working in the kitchen andmaking friends, sitting in on
podcasts.

SPEAKER_03 (11:32):
Yeah, no, no, their new uh new deal is podcasting,
yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (11:36):
So we've really put our foot down to prioritize our
kids more.
Um, well, they're just growingup too fast.
I'm realizing like Sage is outof here in two years, she's
gonna be with her friends allthe time.
So we did decide to do thehomeschooling thing, gun came to
school sort of situation, so itwas right pulled her out later.
But um, it's I think it's goneover pretty well.
What do you think, Sage?

SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Yeah, I think it's gone over well.
Yeah, and um, I like it betterthan public because like you
don't see the people that youdon't like there.
Well, I didn't like half of themanyway.
Yeah, so mean.

SPEAKER_04 (12:10):
Teenagers.
There you go.

SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Mean.

SPEAKER_06 (12:12):
We're in seventh grade now, so yeah, it's a
little rough, but yep.
Learning a lot though.
It's a big learning curve.
But yeah, for sure.
Getting them outside.

SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
Yeah, so like I mentioned, you guys are pretty
busy, and then Jordan and Iguess you guys now too have
thrown into this wrench predatorhunting.
And so now uh you get to workand do your food plots and do
your all this stuff, and thennow you're predator hunting at

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night.
Yeah, so uh he Jordan and uhKelsey, you just shot a coyote
the other night.
Walk us through that story andhow that happened.

SPEAKER_06 (12:54):
So we well, Jordan got into thermo hunting.

SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
Well, I've been a coyote hunter for a long time.
And you trap and trapping andwhatever.
It'd been a daytime coyotehunting with little to no
success, honestly.
Um I'd like a challenge andthing, I guess that's why I like
bow hunting.
Um and trapping.
Yep.
But um I I can't remember thereason why, besides, I thought

(13:19):
it was cool to buy a thermal.
Um, we bought one and got it atShields, and I kind of like we
bought it and I brought it home.
I'm like, I don't even know whatto do with this thing.
Like, this thing's so over myhead, I don't know how to side
it in, I don't know how towhatever.
And uh thankfully I have afriend, Kyle Sorensen, who's a

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muskie guide up by us.
He's like, You gotta get thatthing going, you gotta get it
on.
Those things are, you know, it'sit's the way to do it.
And I'm like, Can you help me?
Like, I don't know how to dothis.
And he like walked me throughit, and um obviously it's not
crazy hard, but it was just itfelt over my head.
So I just yeah, yeah, it's it'sjust so different.

SPEAKER_04 (14:45):
That's why I tell people, like, all everyone
always asks, Is it hard to citein?

SPEAKER_03 (14:48):
Is it hard is it like it really isn't once you
just take the time to figureout?

SPEAKER_04 (14:52):
No, but yes, it's gonna seem hard.

SPEAKER_03 (14:53):
Yeah, and you're 100%, you know, feel it.
Now I feel like I could do itpretty, but thanks to him, I got
it cited in.
He's like, Yeah, come with us.
And my first two trips out withthem, I was like, This is my new
addiction.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:07):
And well, and it's nice too, because then you would
go out after the kids went tobed too.

SPEAKER_03 (15:11):
Yep.
And it's like it wasn't, itwasn't like you were putting
into any other.

SPEAKER_06 (15:14):
Yeah, what what else were we gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
I kind of feel like that's like every dude's story,
but yeah, um, anyway, it's yeah,it's been great.
And now they're we got Kelseyset up to do it as well.
The kids come with, they thinkit's great.
I can mirror it on my phone,they can watch while we on.
Yeah, it's become kind of a whenI go out with Kyle, the kids
come along with buddies, it'skind of fun.

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And now Kelsey coming and Kyle'swife Megan and our buddy Horn,
and you know, so then the otherday we went out like a week ago
or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_06 (15:46):
Um, we were with Kyle and Megan.
Well, we were at a funeral.
So we had um, we were talking,and let's go out hunting
tonight.
So Kyle and Megan are they in,and then Jordan and I, and then
the kids wanted to go, so it wassix of us that went out.
Yep.
So we're like, this could be acluster, but you know, it is
what it is, whatever.
So we just hit did we I like twoor three, three places.

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Um, and right away we went out.
I think we barely were set upfor 30 seconds, and we already
had a coyote going after thatdoe.
And then so that was fun to see.

SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
You guys missed all of them.

SPEAKER_06 (16:18):
You're not supposed to put those details in there,
Sage.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (16:21):
Sage's is here to keep us honest.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Megan and Kelsey were a littletrigger heavy.

SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
We were throwing lead real fast, but it was fun.
Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
It was fun.

SPEAKER_06 (16:29):
Um, and then went to another stand and right away
another coyote came out, andthat's the one.
Well, we all fair and square,it's a one, two, three pull.
Yeah, you know, so it's more orless we're either gonna
hopefully get one or three holesin this sucker.

SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
Um, I got like nervous because it like came out
like from the front, and and I'mlike, is no like going to like
shoot this?

SPEAKER_03 (16:53):
It was walking up the road straight at us, and it
was probably less than 40 yardsfrom us.
I'm kind of waiting.
So what's everyone like you'reon a gun?

SPEAKER_06 (17:02):
Sage is on the phone with Austin watching.

SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
Yeah, they were we had them hidden a bush, and then
uh Kelsey, Megan, and I were onthe gun, and Kyle was calling
with his uh scanner.
Yep.
Well, calling and looking at hisscanning, yep.
And all of a sudden, this coyotepops out on the road and is
walking straight towards thestraight towards the caller, and
I'm kind of waiting for thegirls to be like.

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And I'm actually kind of waitingfor Kyle to be like, girls,
let's go, you know, because he'snormally not very patient to and
I'm the same way, I'm like, I'mready to shoot, but I don't want
to not let let them miss theiropportunity on this.

SPEAKER_04 (17:37):
Well, it's it's also hard because you don't like I
got I caught myself doing this alot too, is like you like you're
ready, but it doesn't mean she'sready, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (17:47):
I'm not to try to interrupt you, but like you
don't even know if they knowwhat they're looking at right
yet.

SPEAKER_06 (17:52):
Like she's only well yeah, and I was scanning on the
left side, so I wasn't even downthat it was coming straight into
us, so it'd be easy to miss, youknow.

SPEAKER_04 (17:58):
Exactly.
And then one of the worst thingsfor me is like I'm always like
right here, right here.
Like I get excited, and I'mlike, shoot now, shoot now, and
then I just make you excited,and then now you miss because I
just got you flustered and yeah,so it's a fire drill all of a
sudden.

SPEAKER_06 (18:11):
Yeah, it was we got we all had it on our scope, then
eventually, and then then itthat's when it skirted around
and came down on my side.

SPEAKER_04 (18:18):
Yep.
And then you did you all shootor did just you shoot?

SPEAKER_06 (18:21):
We all shot.
We don't know who actually wedon't know who shot it.

SPEAKER_04 (18:24):
Did you nail the one, two, three count and
everyone shot at the same time?
Yep.
Wow, yeah.
That's how it's not how easy todo.

SPEAKER_06 (18:30):
No, but that I mean that's how I've learned from
Jordan.
It was just that's how theywork, you know, or whatever.
Yeah.
And then we hit that thirdstand, and that's when that
bobcat came out, so we werewatching him for like 20
minutes.
Yeah, it was big.

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
He was just like there like the whole time.
Yep.
So we just kidding.

SPEAKER_04 (18:47):
Is there a lot of bobcats up there?

SPEAKER_03 (18:49):
I don't want to say there's a lot of bobcats, but
there's there's more than likein Illinois.
I don't know about that.
I think there's a lot of I mean,I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (19:00):
Yeah, you had one.
That's where Spicy Kitty camefrom.
Yeah.
Wait, oh yeah.
Oh no, Spicy Kitty was at ourhouse.
Yeah, that was a spot house.
Is that about a cat?

SPEAKER_03 (19:08):
Yes, yeah, spicy kitty is the original spicy
kitty.
Spicy kitty was at our house.
The one that attacked Horn andI.
Yeah.
That was actually funny.
Yeah.
Huh.
And yeah, we've had a couplerodeos with cats.

SPEAKER_04 (19:20):
Yikes.
Well, I'm glad I haven't had oneof those yet, but uh I got a
question for you guys that'sbeen burning my head all day.
Is as you guys look at yourpullback and let go apparel, uh,
we'll come back to the predatorhunting, but I you have so many
great design ideas, clever uhsayings, funny shirts like I

(19:42):
walked in this morning and likeI gotta have that shirt.
Um give me it now.
And how do you guys come up withthings like this?
Do you have is is somebody thedo you find ideas places?
Do you guys just brainstorm?
Um how do you come up with someof these ideas?

SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
So well, the shirt that you bought this morning was
the brainchild of Jameson Orangein Iowa last week.
Yeah.
Nice.

SPEAKER_06 (20:07):
That was that quick.

SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (20:09):
Oh, two weeks or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_03 (20:10):
I had the I had the idea of I had the idea of it,
and then we Kyle, Megan, andKelsey and I were in Iowa at the
classic, and I'm like, we gottacome up with what this could
stand for, you know?
And I'll of course we're all inthe hotel room and we figured it
out, and we're like, that's it.

(20:31):
Kelsey messages our shirt, ourshirt people, and uh it was
born.
So wow like please.
Yeah, when this can we possiblypull this off.

SPEAKER_04 (20:43):
But yeah, we some of them just come, some of them are
the hunting land one, the uhwith the elderly lady and uh get
that hunting land, yeah, getthat hunting permission.

SPEAKER_03 (21:33):
I call that one door knocking.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (21:35):
I just try to But otherwise for the rest of the
apparel, I mean, like Jordansays, I mean, he says it is the
what do you say about I'm it's ahunting brand for women's
apparel.

SPEAKER_03 (21:46):
We have Kelsey, we have Alexa, we have Emma, we
have um Danielle's helped a lot,you know, Haley at the shop.
It's like it's all these women,and I'm always like, well, it's
our girls, it's you know, it's awoman's brand.

SPEAKER_04 (21:57):
Yeah, you know, so well you can tell that it's very
well organized by women.

SPEAKER_06 (22:02):
Yeah, and it's and it's no secret.
I mean, people have said it uhlike tons of times, especially
at shows.
The girls will come up, thankyou so much for not just having
some v-neck gray t-shirt to letmy boobs hang out because my
husband likes it, and actuallycarrying a nice sweater or
whatever, and just nice quality.

(22:24):
Right.
So that's us.
And then, you know, I'm pickyabout does this shirt pill after
you wash it three times?
Is it gonna be crappy afteryou're you know, is this gonna
crumble or whatever?
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (22:37):
We're gonna charge you like$45 and is it a good
garment?
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (22:41):
Is it gonna shrink?
Like I try to have a report forit, you know.
I mean, we you can buy any brandand sometimes it's the shirts
always shrink up or they shrinkin, or yeah, the sweatshirt's
really cool, but all of a suddenyou wash it and it's like too
small.

SPEAKER_03 (22:54):
You buy it from some brand and it's awesome, and then
you wash, you're like, Well, Ican't wear that anymore.
Yeah, now it's a crop top.
Now it's uh now I give it to mykid because it doesn't fit me.

SPEAKER_06 (23:01):
Yeah.
I mean, we are higher endstyles, uh so to speak, you
know, but I mean, yeah, that'swhat people like.
So we pick what people want, andthen we and we always listen to
what other people, you know, arerequesting and put it into
consideration or you know,whatever.
And we never reorder.
So if we sell out of somethingright away, perfect.

(23:24):
Right.
Happy problem.
I'm not ordering 45 more becauseI will be stuck with 42 of them.

SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (23:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (23:31):
Yeah.
No, that's how it works is likeone person wants it and then one
person buys it and then you'restuck with the rest.

SPEAKER_06 (23:36):
Like, yeah, I totally're selling it and you're
trying to sell it for$15 and youstill can't sell it because
everybody has it already orwhatever.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
But yeah, it's no, I I totally agree.
And being you know, someonewho's been, you know, sold
apparel for seven years.
I walked in and I'm like, oh,this is a next level shirt.
Ooh, this, you know, like I wasjazzed because I'm like, of
course, I see like nice shirts,like it's not a hundred percent
cotton that I'm gonna take homeand it's gonna be stiff as a
board, and you know, so uh juststuff like that, and just the

(24:05):
well thought out designs, andjust you know, stuff that you
want to wear, right?
Really.
I mean, that's what that'sthat's what it is.
Right.
Just stuff you want to wear.

SPEAKER_06 (24:12):
And a lot of times, like the t-shirt ideas is
something that Jordan's making75 old fashions in July, and
then this idea pops in his head,and I throw it in my notes.

SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
I know better to not write it down because I'll
forget.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (24:23):
He'll tell me.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
So I just put it in all of a sudden I'll be like,
hey, that's a cool shirt, butthat would work really good if
you said this.
And it was more bowl huntingoriented or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (24:32):
Yeah.
And of course, the um make bowsvertical vertical again.
That has gone uh well for you ina lot of ways.
Um it's on coolers, it's on Igot the stickers stuck on my uh
display at the at the expo.

SPEAKER_06 (24:50):
And you catch all the flack for that too, but it's
like respectfully, we're notgoing after the people that need
to shoot a crossbow.
Like it's a good thing.
Don't let a t-shirt ruin yourday.

SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
No, right.
Yeah, as as Kurt always says,we're joking.
Yeah, we're joking.
It's a joke.
We can we can all laugh and moveon.

SPEAKER_06 (25:06):
But clean fun.
There's no ill intent in any ofthat stuff.
It's just pure sarcasm, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Yeah, no, for sure.
Yeah, I mean, as as we all know,I mean, in this space in the in
the world, you know, there's somany negative things, so many
negative people that all theywant to do is bring you down.
And uh, I think that's what'scool about you guys, and you
know, kind of we all just kindof got together and and have the

(25:31):
same ideology of, you know, hey,it's positive, it's supportive.
Um funny, don't take us tooseriously.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 (25:39):
We're bartenders, we're pincushions, like I don't
have a soul anymore, as far aslike you can't hurt my feelings.
You hear everything.
No, it's it's impossible.
I used to cry about that stuffall the time, and now it's just
like it's not worth it.
I'm sorry that your life ismiserable, but mine's not, so
I'm just gonna like whatever.
Yeah, no, totally gonna throw upa pity party.

SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:00):
And Sage, this is your first kind of run at coming
to the shows and having to workand set up and mine and Austin's
first show, so it's been good sofar.
Yeah, are you glad that you gotto come with?

SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
And yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:14):
Do you like being at the show or would you rather be
at the water park?

SPEAKER_06 (26:17):
Um the water park.
They're going tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 (26:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
That'll be fun.

SPEAKER_06 (26:23):
But they were great helpers helping unload the
trailer and everything andhelping it set up and asking or
offering to do some stuff.
So they've they've impressed momand dad, I'd say so far this
week.

SPEAKER_03 (26:32):
Austin's a professional koozie hand router.
Oh man.
Yeah.
He knows how to hustle a crowd,which is good to see.

SPEAKER_04 (26:38):
He's subscribed to my YouTube channel today.
So way to go, buddy.
Plus one in the subscribercategory today, so that's a
victory uh from the show.

SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
I give you your I gave a koozie to your favorite
camo brand.

SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
What'd they say?

SPEAKER_01 (26:54):
I said thank you.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (26:57):
Call it a win.

SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
Yeah, no kidding.

SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
Wait, um, wait.
Was it Hodag?
Uh no.
That's not a camel brand.
That is.
It is.
Wait, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 (27:07):
Drew, this is the part you can edit out.

SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
What is it called?
It's like an owl.
Yeah, who was it?
Oh, Asio.

SPEAKER_02 (27:15):
Oh, Asio.

SPEAKER_01 (27:16):
Oh.

unknown (27:16):
I don't know that name.

SPEAKER_04 (27:18):
Is that actually your favorite?

SPEAKER_03 (27:20):
That's what we wear.
We're down.
Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I do.
I kind of we have a bunch ofSika stuff, but I don't love
Sica in the Midwest.
Right.
No, it's you wear it in themountains?
It's too great.
Yeah, I use all of our Sikastuff out in Montana.
And it's like you will blendright in.
You blend right in.
It's just um people rag on Sika,whatever.
It's just because it'sexpensive.

(27:40):
Yeah, I like all my stuff.
It's warm.
Never had problems with it,whatever.
And I'd say the same about OSEO.

SPEAKER_02 (27:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (27:46):
I love it.
Um, yeah, we just startedwearing it like a year ago or
when they launched.

SPEAKER_06 (27:51):
Yeah, is it?
No, two years.

SPEAKER_03 (27:53):
Maybe it's two years.

SPEAKER_06 (27:53):
Two or three years.

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I do think it's a great mix forthe Midwest.

SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
Yeah, it definitely is.
And they're new to the city.

SPEAKER_03 (27:59):
And I know the camel thing is, you know, this is the
Ford Chevy, Dodge Ram, whatever.
But it's all relative.
It's all it's good.
I like it.

SPEAKER_06 (28:09):
They are partying upstairs.
I was gonna say, where is thatcoming from?
I don't know.
It sounds like a basketball teamup there.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
By the way, we're in a hotel.
It's all boom.
That's perfect.
Boom.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:21):
Oh, that's funny.
Uh okay, let's go back topredator hunting.
Since uh this is the predatorpodcast, uh, we always gotta
talk uh about some predatorhunting, and uh I still have to
make a trip north and go andmake some stands with Jordan,
but until then, I'm just gonnalive through his stories.
Um and let's kind of talk aboutuh your sort of journey as a

(28:46):
predator hunter.
I know you said you got intothermal a couple years ago, you
used to day hunt before that.
How have how has your uh successevolved as you've went along,
you know, through predatorhunting from not knowing, you
know, exactly like we all did,you know, not knowing what
you're doing to now where you goout and you kind of have a plan?

SPEAKER_03 (29:05):
Um, yeah, the the daytime stuff was you know, your
typical take your Fox Pro, haveyour decoy, your spin or
whatever is on your decoy, turnthat on, go hide somewhere, wear
white, you know, all the things.
And you know, I just wasn'toverly successful.
Yes, I had some chances.

(29:27):
I learned a lot from screwing upa lot, but I honestly kind of
once the kids were born, I kindof let it go.
Honestly, I just didn't have thethe day hunting part.
Yeah, the day hunting part.
I just I didn't really do it fora couple years, and the guy I
used to do it with he just kindof drifted away from it too.
And then, like I said, I boughtthis thermo and Kyle nudged me

(29:49):
hard to get it set up and thenwent with him for the first
time.
Um, and I've done some coyotehunting with my buddy Austin
Chandler, and just and Austin'sbrother um is a great coyote
hunter as well, so kind of gotsome tips from them guys, and
then going with Kyle and uh myother buddy Nick, um yeah, they

(30:09):
just kind of honestly just kindof really helped and didn't like
say, okay, Jordan, this is whatyou do, but we did it, so I, you
know, knew you learn together, Idon't know.
Learn together, right.
They knew more they know morethan I did, and uh yeah, I just
kind of absorbed it from thereand been tweaking things ever
since, and yeah, just I wouldn'tcall myself an overly successful

(30:33):
coyote hunter, but you know, weprobably killed, I don't know,
it was a part of like 16 or 18last year, and I think I'm a
part of I don't know, about thesame this year.
So for me, up north, with myschedule and how cold and how
much snow we had this year, Ifeel like it was pretty good.

(30:53):
So yeah, for sure, for suregood.

SPEAKER_06 (30:54):
Well, and that definitely put a damper on the
trapping part, you know, too.
Yeah, because of the snow.

SPEAKER_03 (30:58):
Trapping has been my other thing.

SPEAKER_06 (31:00):
We haven't had snow for two years, so you guys were
trapping.
Trapping was great.

SPEAKER_03 (31:04):
Yeah, trapping was really good.

SPEAKER_04 (31:05):
Yeah, because trapping's way harder in the
snow, right?

SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Way harder.
Yeah, yeah.
Your stuff gets froze up, andthose coyotes are smart.

SPEAKER_04 (31:13):
Coyotes are smart and they're really hard to trap.

SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Very, very smart.

SPEAKER_04 (31:16):
Yeah, like I a lot of people will say like bobcats
are a breeze to trap compared tocoyotes.

SPEAKER_03 (31:21):
You know, I used to think they were like the holy
mecca of like smart animal, andthey're just like this cat
that's like super curious.
That's the I mean when they saycuriosity gets the cat, it's
100% true.
They're just overly curious, andI don't want to like stand on a
pale and say, hey, this is whatI think, but I don't think

(31:43):
bobcats are all that smart.

SPEAKER_04 (31:45):
They're not.
I will 100% agree with that.
Uh I've seen, you know, I'veseen some cats that certainly
would tell me they're not smart,but it doesn't make them less
elusive or less fun to call in.
Yeah, they're just they'rethere's so much fewer of them.

SPEAKER_03 (32:01):
So it's not survival game between a coyote and a cat.
I think I'm gonna put my moneyon the coyote.

SPEAKER_04 (32:05):
Yeah, my other thing too is like cats are such good
hunters.
Sometimes I'm like, do they evenneed to come into the call?
Like if they want to catch abird, if they want to catch a
rabbit, they're gonna catch one.

SPEAKER_03 (32:14):
Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
You know, so that's the part too that I often feel
about cats.
But one thing that I kind offeel, I guess, as a predator
hunter, one one nice thing islearning with people.
I think it's really hard tolearn things by yourself.
Like it seems like when you havepeople to go with and do things
with, you can bounce ideas offeach other.

(32:35):
You can say, Hey, what did I dowrong there?
or what did you do wrong?
We can kind of work together tothree pea brains is better than
one pea brain.
So exactly.
Exactly.
See, you can iron things outlike that.
And uh I so that's one thing.
And then the other thing is likewhen you turn that page from
going out there and just hopingyou're gonna see something,
hoping you're gonna getsomething, to expecting to get

(32:56):
something, yep, or expecting tocall one in and being able to
kind of predict what's gonnahappen.
I know you told me numerousstories so far about your stands
and you know laying how it laysout and you know how you kind of
expect it to happen, whether ithappens like that or not, right?
But I think that's part ofpredator hunting that where
people get past the cast the bignet and just see what I can

(33:20):
catch to all right, here's whathere's what we're gonna do.
I'm gonna throw this because Iknow they're gonna bite on this.
Yeah, they'll have to give youyour fishing reference.

SPEAKER_03 (33:27):
So this is your win, this is what you know, this is
the call they've been liking.
Yeah.
And they should do somethingsimilar to this, and it feels
good when you're right a coupletimes in a row.

SPEAKER_04 (33:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Uh what do you guys use forequipment?
Guns, that kind of good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (33:45):
I have a Daniel's Defense.
Um, I forget the actual uhsomething pro.
Yeah.
Daniel Defense.
Yeah, great, great, love it.
Um uh suppressed.
Um, okay.
Yep, suppressed, uh, Huxworth,Flow, Suppressor, and um AGM

(34:09):
Rattler uh uh thermo.
And then we run both of us haveFat Boy tripods, which are
awesome.
They're I mean, there's a lot ofgood ones out there that's just
the ones we happen to go with.
Right.
Um, love those.
Um makes setting up in the darka lot easier than monkeying

(34:29):
around with some of those otherones.

SPEAKER_04 (34:30):
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (34:32):
The like the ones we started with.
And um Kelsey has a Great LakesArms 223, same Radler, AGM
Rattler.
And yeah, we just and Suppressed2.
Suppressed 2, yeah.
Hers is a banish uh you say itbanish?

SPEAKER_04 (34:51):
Banish, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:51):
Banish uh, who makes those again?

SPEAKER_04 (34:53):
Uh Silencer Central.

SPEAKER_03 (34:54):
Silencer Central, yep.
Yep.
Yep, that's what's on her gun.
How long have you been shootingsuppressed?
Four.

SPEAKER_06 (35:02):
I think you're on year two.

SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
Two, yeah.
This will be the end of thesecond one.

SPEAKER_06 (35:06):
I just got mine this fall.

SPEAKER_03 (35:07):
Yep.
Yeah, huge difference, right?
Huge difference.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 (35:10):
Well, and Sage's one.
Yeah, our daughter is a littlenervous Nelly or whatever, so
she was really nervous when wewent out the other night.

SPEAKER_01 (35:17):
And then we shot, and then she was like, oh, this
nine.
Yeah, it wasn't even that badbecause um so Megan offered me
these like noise cancellingearbuds.
And then when I like put themon, when they shot at the first
field that they that we went to,and you guys missed all of it,
but okay.

(35:38):
Um I was like, okay, that's likenot even bad.
And then um I gave them back toMegan, and then when we went to
the second field, the one theyshot and killed the second one,
I'm like, okay, that's like noteven bad at all.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
It sounds like I feel like if a suppressor
company wanted some advocate forlike uh kids and just safety as
far as safety, not even kids,just anyone who has hearing
stuff, like anxiety anxietyslash I mean it's it's basically
ear protection for your rifle.

SPEAKER_06 (36:14):
Yeah, we're just talking about it on the way
down.

SPEAKER_03 (36:16):
I just don't understand why it's such a big
deal deal.
But I get it.
I mean, you gotta do things, yougotta register things, you gotta
I understand that, but to makeit so complicated for and I know
they're making it a lot easierto get them and and with all the
proper plugins, but it gets itgets a bad rep because of the
word silencer.

SPEAKER_04 (36:36):
Exactly.
Like people think that it's justgonna you can't hear it.

SPEAKER_03 (36:38):
We were just saying it's like it's not gonna be pu,
you know, like it's gonna soundlike they get pretty quiet, but
they're not like it's not likeyou can't hear them.

SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
No right.
It's only like a click.

SPEAKER_03 (36:49):
And I always tell the kids don't call them
silencers, call them suppressorsbecause that's what they are.
Yes, no, I I agree.
It's kind of sub silencer iskind of like the Hollywood name.

SPEAKER_04 (36:58):
Yeah.
Well, I think it makes a hugedifference for the kids.
I mean, talk about like going ona youth deer hunt or something.
Yeah, that's like I took a kidlast fall and he was shooting a
suppressed 308, little12-year-old kid, and that thing
was like uh me shooting a 243,and he just rocked that deer,
and like that was awesome.
And uh, another thing too, I wastalking with a guy today at the

(37:18):
show, and a good point that hebrought up to me is like most of
the fear that kids get inshooting is with the sound, more
so than the recoil, oftentimes,because at least for the most
part, you know, you're not gonnastick a kid behind a 300 wind
mag, you know, knock them overwith the recoil.
But you take a you know,suppressed, you know, 243, 223,

(37:42):
whatever, it becomes enjoyablefor the kids to shoot and it
makes them want to.

SPEAKER_06 (37:46):
Well, and that's how they're gonna learn.
I mean, if they're if they'retakes the it takes the fear out
of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
And and you're protecting your ears.
I mean it's it's literally earprotection for your rifle.

SPEAKER_04 (37:55):
Yeah, and then you're trying to talk to people
today that are talking about howmuch they love suppressors, yet
they're leaning in to try tohear me because they already
can't hear from years of notshooting years of shooting ducks
and turkeys and deer with no earprotection.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I think it's a huge, it's ahuge game changer.
And I'm glad the tax stamps aregone because that was the worst
part.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
Like you're you're you're buying a quality product

(39:28):
and then you get$200 actually onthe grain.
To yeah, for for what?
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 (39:35):
I'm so glad that's gone.
It's it's come a long ways.
I mean, even since probably twoyears ago, right?
Did you have like a six, eightmonth wait then?

SPEAKER_06 (39:42):
Yeah, you waited, I think like three or four months.

SPEAKER_04 (39:45):
No, it it wasn't that it was pretty quick.

SPEAKER_06 (39:47):
Oh, okay.
Really?
Mine was two weeks last year.

SPEAKER_04 (39:50):
Mine was my first one was six months, seven
months, something like that.
And then my last one was fourdays.
The one I got.

SPEAKER_03 (39:59):
I think just the first of the year.
Our buddy bought one for his uhhorn who hunts with us.
I think he got his in like fourdays as well.
By the time he did his, youknow, the whole paperwork, all
the things.

SPEAKER_06 (40:10):
And it's just chasing after all the emails and
the permissions and all thethings they have to click
through.
It's just unbelievable.

SPEAKER_04 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it is a pain.
Yeah, you did the one where theysend the the kit to your house
and do your own fingerprints.

SPEAKER_06 (40:23):
I did that actually, no, because I did it in Iowa
last year.
Iowa at a booth.
Yeah, yeah.
So that was nice.

SPEAKER_03 (40:29):
And I did mine at the kiosk at our local gun shop.

SPEAKER_04 (40:33):
Yeah, that's fun.
Uh it's definitely it'sdefinitely advanced, but for the
better, I think it's m a lotnicer for shooting, for for
educating animals.

SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
I think yeah, I think there's so many pluses to
suppressors, it's it faroutshadows the negatives.

SPEAKER_04 (40:50):
Yeah.
And I mean you shoot gas gunsand you shoot those Huxworks
flow throughs, so you don't evenhave to deal with uh the
blowback and the dirty brass.
And well, if you don't reload,it's not a big deal.
But that was my least favoritething ever about shooting a the
only thing I didn't like wasshooting a gas gun with a
non-flow through.
You get dirty, dirty cases, yougot gas blowing back in your

(41:13):
face.
You guys obviously don't have towell, you might a little bit if
you have your band.

SPEAKER_06 (41:23):
I don't know enough to even know if it's doing it or
not.
So I guess we don't haveanything to complain about.

SPEAKER_04 (41:28):
No, and if you're not reloading, you wouldn't pick
your brass up and be like, oh,it's dirty.

SPEAKER_03 (41:31):
Yeah, and we tried to pick our brass up anyway, but
um, but yeah, we don't reload,but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:38):
Um what would you say as someone who has been
predator hunting for you knowsome time, is there anything
that you do differently thanmost?
Or or something that you maybethink is a little bit different
than what another guy might do?

SPEAKER_03 (41:53):
I I guess I don't.

SPEAKER_04 (41:54):
Um that's a that's an acceptable answer because
that's something that peopledon't realize.

SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
Is like I guess I don't go on YouTube and watch a
bunch of guys coyote hunt andthen go, I'm gonna go do
replicate the same thing.
Right.
I guess I'm I kind of just usethe basic things, get the win,
get the collar where if a coyotedoes come run it over, you have
a chance to shoot at it.
Yep.
And give yourself an opportunityfor a shot.

(42:19):
Um I guess as far as tip ortrick, I'd I'm not your guy for
that.

SPEAKER_06 (42:23):
Well, I think that actually I think differently.
So people have noticed thatJordan is into coyote hunting or
whatever, it's on it's on thesocial media or whatever.
So people come, well, they comeup to the bar or whatever, and
then they have questions.
So Jordan does get asked a lotof things, and even just like
Marcus calling you the otherday, are you educating him on

(42:44):
the wind direction, which Ithink you talked about in a
podcast like a couple weeks agoor whatever, but was that the
whole concept of the wind isabsolutely opposite of what you
would be for deer hunting.
And then you're almost blowingpeople's minds in that like
mindset of thinking the oppositedirection.

SPEAKER_04 (43:02):
Right.
You want to be able to shootwhere your wind blows.

SPEAKER_06 (43:04):
You're watching people's minds be blown by
Jordan saying, it doesn't makesense.

SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
I saw like I like I told Marcus, I'm like, you are
the predator trying to kill apredator.
Yeah, right.
So you need to think like apredator.
Yeah, where are they gonna gofor the wind so they can smell
the wind so they can smell, likethey're not gonna give up their
wind.
No, almost almost never.
They have.
Yes, yes.
We like those ones.
We like those ones, they're alldead now.
Those ones are not gonna uh passthat genus.

(43:30):
Yeah, it's like a like a maturebuck giving up his wind.
It's probably almost never gonnahappen, right?

SPEAKER_06 (43:36):
And it's cool like watching people like just come
up to him and be like, yo,brother, I got I got a field and
I'm full of coyotes.
Like, please come to my houseand shoot these coyotes or
whatever.
That is the best part aboutpredicting getting those
permissions.

SPEAKER_03 (43:49):
Um it's fun when you can make them happy, you know.
Like I have I have one they're afamily friend, and she's like,
they're coming in my yard,Jordan, and they're you know,
and you've heard all thesestories.
Yeah, it's the same thing overand over, but it's true.
Yeah, uh you're right, though.
People say that.
And it's fun to tell her, sendher a picture and be like, hey,
look.
Yeah, she's like, Yes, you gotone tonight, you know.

(44:11):
So and it feels good.
It's like you'd like slay themini dragon, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 (44:15):
So with the whole predator hunting, with
especially with the kids, is wealso include them in like taking
off their jammies, you know.
We we you know, we when you'reskinning when you're skinning
the animal.

SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
Oh like what?

SPEAKER_06 (44:32):
Take their jammies, you were gonna put them in his
pajamas yet.

SPEAKER_04 (44:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (44:36):
So we have um our pole shed, we call it the pink
house.
So Jordan also Jordan wears manyhats, so he also has pink house
neon.
So Jordan makes neon signs.
Yeah.
It's something he did rightafter high school, and we've
just kind of kept going with it,and we're just waiting for an
electrician now to hook upeverything so he can start
pumping.
But um the pumping the gas intothe glass tubes.

(44:58):
Um so anyway, we will do theflushing in there in the pink
house, but then we also go overto Horn's house and then we'll
flush hides and stuff like thattoo.

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
So they hang them up and then like do beavers or
something like that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (45:13):
So they get to see like the full circle of all of
that.

SPEAKER_01 (45:16):
I feel like beavers beavers are like more
interesting because then youhave to have like this big old
like wooden plate and you nailit.
Stretch it and all that.

SPEAKER_04 (45:25):
That's what you're talking about, right?

SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
Stretch it on the rings, yep.
Yeah, horn and Davy and Todd arebig uh flat tailed trappers
around us and they have fundoing it.
They're lucky, we're lucky thatthey include us all with all
that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
Yeah, that's super cool.
And not a lot, I mean, that's areally uh there's not a lot of
people doing that anymore.
So like to get to see thatexperience as a kid, uh, that's
pretty much it.

SPEAKER_03 (45:48):
And if you saw these guys, you'd be you'd be you
would laugh how excited they getabout it.
It's cool.

SPEAKER_06 (45:53):
Yeah, plan dinner around it.
Yeah, I mean, it's like thefirst you go to the first shed
and then we all do work and thenwe have some dinner afterwards
and done.
But the the cool thing is thatthey're not afraid of any of
this stuff.
No, there's nothing.
You know what I mean?
And this is all totally normalfor them.

SPEAKER_02 (46:07):
Yeah, like ah what hey, that's good.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
Because you're not gonna be scared of everything in
the fall in the in the fall, um,during deer season.
Our our friend Todd's brotherRex, well, Rex is our friend
too, but he has a like supersetup in his garage where we all
get together and bring ourdeers.
Yeah, I saw the process.

SPEAKER_04 (46:32):
I see the pictures and stuff.
You guys did them not that longago.
You did a bunch of venisonprocessing and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (46:37):
Yep.
So we we help everyone withtheir deer, and you know, Kelsey
and the kids and Todd andwhoever's on the table deep
owning and cutting and roastingdeer in like 25 minutes.
And we're pulling hides andshoulder, you know, it's just
it's like we're a it's like afull-blown assembly line, and
everything.
It looked like it.
I saw the pictures from when youguys did it.

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It's great, and the kids lookfor it.
We all look forward to it everyyear.

SPEAKER_06 (46:59):
So I think we did seven in one night.
That was our record.

SPEAKER_01 (47:02):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That was a big one.

SPEAKER_06 (47:04):
After work till about ten, eleven o'clock.

SPEAKER_04 (47:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The camaraderie of it is what'sjust the fun part almost, you
know.
It's what you look forward to.

SPEAKER_06 (47:11):
Getting a knife in their hands when they were
younger, you know, you just givethem a fatty piece and just you
know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:16):
It's fun to go coyout hunting.
More fun to go with buddies.

SPEAKER_04 (47:19):
Yes.
Well, that's that's a one Thething I was going to come back
to.
Um, you guys talked about going,you know, six of you out the
other night.
This this could possibly be whyI like predator hunting so much.
Like I told you, I'm like, Inever hunt by myself.
Like we we talked about itearlier, it's no fun, right?

SPEAKER_03 (47:35):
Like it's you said you will, but yeah, it's fun,
but it's not as fun.

SPEAKER_04 (47:38):
Yeah, like that's the best part about going out
night hunting, even actually dayhunting for that matter.
Like, if you're all hidden andwhatever, it it can be fine
hunting with four guys orwhatever.
But that's one of my favoriteparts about it.
Is just, hey, you want to go,you want to go, let's go, you
know, or you got spots you wantto hit, let's go hit them.
Or um, you know, I get peopleall the time, hey, come out and

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hunt my place, or come out toKansas, let's go hunt my place,
come out to Oklahoma.
Like, what like this is one ofthe unique things about predator
hunting that you don't have inother, you know, other avenues
is like no one's gonna say, hey,come hunt my prime managed uh
deer property and shoot mybiggest buck.
You know, like it's not likeit's just a like a community

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thing that I really enjoy, thepredator community.
Nobody cares about how big acoyote is that you shoot, they
just care that you got one.
Yeah, exactly.
Everybody's happy about it.
It's what like the you know, thetoxic side of deer hunting does
makes it, you know, gives it abad rap at times.
Yeah, you know, not that weever, you know, would shame each
other's deer, but you know,obviously we know that it

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happens and people do it to usor whatever.
But that's my favorite partabout predator hunting is just
the the camaraderie and the justgetting together.
Nobody cares how big, they justcare how many.
Yep.
And that's uh one I'm gone.
Exactly.
And that part too.
Of course, you can go hunt themso many places, and they're in
49 states, they're you know, youcan go all over the country and

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hunt them.
And uh, you know, one of myfavorite things to do.

SPEAKER_03 (49:11):
Probably a lot of them in every state.

SPEAKER_04 (49:13):
Yeah, I think so, anyways.
And uh up in your neck of thewoods, I know again, I know we
talked about this a bit today,but for the listeners, you said
you don't really in your areathere isn't as many wolves, but
farther up there is I thinkthey're running to them calling.

SPEAKER_03 (49:30):
I think they're there, I think they're probably
smarter than a coyote.
Do you hear them?
Every once in a while, yeah.
You'll hear them.

SPEAKER_01 (49:37):
We've had we had one in the trap once.
Yeah, we had a fellow.

SPEAKER_02 (49:41):
Yeah, by mistake we did.
We wolf.
How did that go?
Did you have to let it go?

SPEAKER_01 (49:45):
Or how did you no, it just when we drove up, it
just ran off and broke out ofthe trap when we pulled up on
the four-wheeler.

SPEAKER_06 (49:53):
It was the one it was the trap that was closest to
the house.

SPEAKER_03 (49:55):
Were you panicked?
Like, I'm gonna have to let thisthing out.

SPEAKER_01 (49:57):
I was scared.

SPEAKER_03 (49:59):
We were it was we were it was like one of our
first seasons trapping at home,and I was kind of like, okay,
you know, like when we get up inthe morning, you know, I'm gonna
run ahead of time.
I'm gonna go run the line orwhatever.

SPEAKER_01 (50:10):
But the kids in the school morning too, I just
realized that.

SPEAKER_03 (50:13):
The kids were um the kids always loved to try, you
know, go with me to check.
And they knew that this one wasclose to the house, so I you
know, I turned the thermal on inthe morning quick and be like,
yeah, there's one in there.

SPEAKER_06 (50:24):
But you could see that it had made a circle, it
was digging.

SPEAKER_03 (50:28):
But it was still in the dark when I looked.

SPEAKER_01 (50:29):
Oh, yeah, you can see.

SPEAKER_03 (50:30):
So I said, fine, get dressed, we'll run out there on
the four-wheeler.
You're not helping take care ofit.
I'll just run you down there andyou can look at it quick, and
then we're coming back.
Well, I get about, I don't know,a hundred yards away, and I'm
like, that's a really bigcoyote.
And I'm thinking, now my my mindis kind of ticking.

SPEAKER_01 (50:49):
I was just like excited.

SPEAKER_03 (50:50):
I thought I was gonna be like, I don't think
that's a coyote, and we get likeeven closer, I'm like, that's
not a coyote.
And now I'm like, how am I gonnaget this out of there?

SPEAKER_01 (50:58):
It was I think.

SPEAKER_03 (50:59):
And the the second I thought that we got we were
probably 40 yards away from iton the four-wheeler, maybe 30,
and it's tugging and tugging andtugging, and then it finally
just breaks free and runs acrossthe open cut field, and we just
kind of putted behind it alittle bit just so the kids
could get a better look at it,and yeah, it was gone.

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But wow.

SPEAKER_04 (51:23):
That would scare the heck out of me, I think.

SPEAKER_06 (51:25):
If I was and then you were hunting one day and you
had two behind you that onetime.
What?

SPEAKER_03 (51:30):
Oh, that was bull hunting.
Do you picture them often?
Like on your trail cameras?
You know, they they go onspurts.
It's like they're there for aweek or two days out of the
week, or like you get them on aget a picture on a Tuesday and
get another picture Thursday,and they never see them again.

SPEAKER_04 (51:44):
Does it mess with the hunting?
Like, like if they pass through,like does it damper the deer for
a couple days?
Is it um like in the West, myexperience I would I would elk
hunting, like you'll find anarea where nothing bugles, you
know, it's quiet, and all of asudden you find a wolf track and
it's like, ooh, the wolves werethrough here.

SPEAKER_01 (52:01):
Yeah, because when we were trapping for beavers, we
got two otters and then we sawthis huge wolf track, like huge,
huge.

SPEAKER_06 (52:08):
Oh, when we were gone.

SPEAKER_01 (52:10):
Yeah, when you guys were I think it was Emily's when
you guys were gone in Belize.

SPEAKER_06 (52:14):
We had at our old house too, we had that like big
alpha male.
We had a picture of a doe.
I superimposed it on thecomputer or whatever, and that
wolf was standing in the sameexact spot, and that back was
taller than the doe.
It was huge.
Yikes, yeah, and then we that'swhen we had those wolf pups on
camera too.

SPEAKER_01 (52:31):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 (52:32):
I was um bowl hunting one day and I heard some
it was a you know, a f October,late October day, so the corn
wasn't coming.

SPEAKER_06 (52:40):
And they've walked down our driveway.
We have them on and um they did.

SPEAKER_03 (52:43):
They rustled across, and I thought it was like a buck
chasing a doe.
Yeah.
Of course, of course, that'swhat I thought.
Yeah, I see it come across thefood plot, I see the movement,
and then it was kind of a swamp,whatever, and March.
I'm looking and I'm like, kindof in disbelief, like, oh,
there's two wolves, and they'reliterally I think the one that

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got in the trap was one ofthose.
Yeah, because it was with likethat was in October, and then I
trapped it in like January.
So I did have there was like apair running around together,
and when I got a picture of one,I got a picture of two.
You know, or a picture, when Ihad a picture of a wolf, there
was two wolves in the picture.

SPEAKER_01 (53:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:21):
Um so anyway, as far as calling when you're calling,
I don't know, I think they'resmarter than that.
You hear them every once in awhile.
My buddy Kyle has seen somewolves through the thermo.

SPEAKER_01 (53:32):
I tried some one night, too.
I did.

SPEAKER_03 (53:38):
Um, but anyway, when you're when you're calling, I've
only seen bobcats, I've neverseen wolves, but they're there.
I mean, yeah, we definitely livewith them.

SPEAKER_04 (53:48):
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Uh, and then obviously, youknow, you're typically not
running into bears duringpredator season.
Well, there was Do you huntduring a time where you can see
them?
Like do you or do you don't huntthat early?

SPEAKER_03 (54:01):
I've never no, I'm still at the resort, so um And
they're den by the time you'reby the time you're done deer
hunting and stuff.
Yeah, they're about dened, yeah.
So I personally have not seen abear through my thermal.

SPEAKER_04 (54:11):
Yeah, interesting.
Yeah, that would be a differentone too.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (54:15):
That'd be quite weird seeing a big old good
chances now if he did go out,but I mean now that the coyotes
are all kind of denning up nowfor their pups.

SPEAKER_03 (54:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (54:24):
Wherever the crossover time is.
But the bears will start comingout here.

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
There are some of them already been spent
sightings already.
Do you have turkeys?
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (54:33):
Yeah, we had a didn't you have that one?

SPEAKER_03 (54:35):
Yeah, we had a picture of a turkey the other
day.
Is there not many of them, orthere's I feel like our tur I
feel like our turkey populationis really good.
Didn't you have a whole bunch ofjakes last year?
Yep.
That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_04 (54:45):
I remember we talked about that.

SPEAKER_03 (54:46):
Yep.
Bunch of Jakes and pretty hugetoms this spring.
We've gotten quite a few thelast two, not this winter, but
the last two winters.
We've been real successful oncoons, so I feel like we're
doing our turkey population alittle bit of favors.
Yeah, for sure.
Um but yeah, there's been a lotof turkeys.
Do you get bobcat tags?

SPEAKER_04 (55:07):
Do you get bobcat tags, or how does that work up
there?

SPEAKER_02 (55:10):
Um can you like get one a year, or how does that
work?
No, we have a it's like alottery.

SPEAKER_03 (55:15):
Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_04 (55:16):
And I thought for some reason there's more, or
there's more tags up there,maybe.
That I don't even not sure.
Because like down by us, I candraw one every two to three
years.

SPEAKER_03 (55:26):
I need to get on that program.

SPEAKER_04 (55:28):
You can't, oh, it's less than that for Bobcat?

SPEAKER_06 (55:31):
Yeah, I don't know what that's I think it's like
six almost up there.
Oh, wow.
I mean it is for bear, likeanywhere from three to six
points.

SPEAKER_04 (55:38):
That's brutal.
Um, another question I wasthinking of today after we were
talking, what you talked abouthunting these cranberry marshes.
What is that like?
Is there like is that like alike I don't even know what to
picture.
Is it like a basic clump bottom?

SPEAKER_03 (55:54):
Is it like it's basically to the naked eye,
let's say, through a thermal, itlooks like a big open field.

SPEAKER_04 (55:59):
I gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
But it's actually like there's like dams that run.
Think of like a um like moats.
Yeah, think of like a footballfield that's like sunk into the
ground, huh?
And then there's like a bermaround it.

SPEAKER_06 (56:13):
And then like your yardage marks, then it's just
like the yardage marks would bepart of the like the slew around
them.

SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
Yeah, so the cranberries actually grow in in
these low spots.
In these low spots of blog.
There's berms all the wayaround.
And they'd like they have theygive themselves like access to
get around them so they can youknow harvest with tractors and
four-wheelers and whatever.
I'm not a cranberry farmer, Idon't know the lingo, but so
tricky they don't even look likethey're in operation.
Yeah, some of them you literallywalk by and you're like, well,
that must be an abandoned one,and then all of a sudden in the

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second second week in Octoberwhen it's cold and that they're
ready to be harvest, there'sthese beautiful red cranberries
everywhere, and you're like, Oh.

SPEAKER_06 (56:49):
They flood it.

SPEAKER_03 (56:49):
They flooded and they the cranberries float up
and they beat them with thesemachines and they float them all
to this conveyor and load themin tractors.

SPEAKER_04 (56:56):
Are they in squares and like or are they just
random?
The bogs.

SPEAKER_03 (57:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (57:01):
So do the coyotes run on the tops of the berms?
Yep.
Pretty much.

SPEAKER_03 (57:05):
And I've heard from guys and you know, people that
work at cranberry farms andlike, oh, you should be here
when we flood.

SPEAKER_04 (57:11):
Like if we flood at night, because oh, because then
they can only go on the berms,probably.

SPEAKER_03 (57:16):
That and all the rodents and stuff that are down
in the bottom or whatever, theystart to flood, and then the
mice and all the stuff kind ofwork out, and then the coyotes
know that.
So they kind of work the trails,and you tend to see you tend to
see more coyotes.
I've never I've never been therefor that, but we always hunt in
the winter when the the they'reflooded and frozen, and you

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know.

SPEAKER_04 (57:39):
So like you'll see one, and then do they ever cross
into the low spots and you losethem, and then all of a sudden
they pop up on it?
So it's like hunting terracesand yeah, okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (57:48):
They use all that to their advantage for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (57:49):
So you probably have to be careful where you set up,
like to where you don't getblinded, like if they run that
bog all the way to you, thatthey're gonna end up at the call
before you see them.

SPEAKER_03 (57:59):
Yep, and the other thing that coyotes or the other
thing that cranberry farms haveare pipes.
So they lay these pipes out toflood, and then when they're I
don't like I said, I'm not acranberry farmer, so don't don't
murder me for this, but they putall their pipes up on racks, so
you have to be vigilant of whereyou shoot because they're you're
you don't want to hit theirpipes, you don't want to hit

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their pipes.
Interesting.
And then pipes are justaluminum, so you could easily
damage them.
Huh.
Um, so you kind of have to setup so where you're like, okay,
if the coyote comes here, I wantto be able to shoot here.
So yeah, there's not like it'ssuper logistical, but it's
something you have to thinkabout.

SPEAKER_04 (58:36):
Yeah, well, to me, that's just like I'm thinking
about so many different thingsright here about you know,
setting up and like we it tookus like three years to figure
out hunting terraces in Kansas.
So like I'm just thinking aboutlosing these coyotes in these
low spots and a whole mess ofbad things that I would probably
have happen to me, but I'm surethere's just a little bit of
figuring it out, you know, andgetting the hang of it.

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Just like is it it's most Iwould assume it's probably
pretty flat otherwise in yourarea.
There's not a lot of you know upand down.

SPEAKER_03 (59:05):
It's either it's either woods or I mean, yeah, we
have like rolling hills.
Yeah, we have rolling hillseverywhere.
Um, but yeah, typically if youget permission at like a farm or
where they plant corn, it's flatpretty wide open and flat for a
while.
Yeah, there's some definite, youknow, where coyotes know where
they use all that as you knowand um yeah, they're you kind of

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get used to uh you kind of getused to uh you know just the
topography of the area, likeokay, they're gonna come out
here and they're probably gonnause this ditch line or low line
until they get to here, and thisis when we're gonna have our
chance to shoot.

SPEAKER_04 (59:42):
Yeah, or you're gonna go to a spot for the first
time and not realize there's alow spot there or something, and
then all of a sudden, I saw itfor a second and now I don't see
it.
It's gone.
Yeah.
No, I can imagine that is uh awhole nother can of worms.
But uh one of my last questionsI had too we talked about was

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frozen lakes.
Like, how does that work?
Like, if there let's say there'sa public uh I'm just giving an
example here.
I'm not saying this is a realthing, but just a it's all
public land, there's the lake inthe middle of it, a pond,
whatever.
Those places do exist.
Can you go and s sit on the bankand call them across the lake?

(01:00:25):
How does is there any legalitiesto that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:27):
Or well, I'm not an officer, but I I don't believe
so.
Yeah.
Um we've done similar things tothat on private ground and
public ground.
Um but like I said, there's nohouses, there's no yeah, I mean,
it might be an epic duck huntingspot in the summer or fall or
whatever, spring, whatever.

(01:00:48):
Not a duck hunter either, so Iprobably butchered that too.
I'm not a duck hunt either, so Idon't know.
But anyway, yeah, we've we havedone it.
There are spots to do it.
Um as far as I know, it'sperfectly legal.
Um, but yeah, the coyotes, likeI was saying, they use all that
as like I just call it theshortcut.
Yeah.
They don't have to run all theway around the lake, they go
across it.

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And the deer do the same thingby us.
Right.
So it's not weird to all of asudden see three or four deer
running across the lake.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:14):
Yeah, you just gotta be careful when you go out there
and pick them up if you shootone out there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:18):
Yeah, you gotta be yeah, you have to be vigilant on
your swim.
What your ice conditions are ifyou're walking out in there in
the pitch black.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:25):
Yeah, if they're spring fed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:26):
I mean, yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:28):
So yeah, that's uh that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:31):
Uh it's a tactic though.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna come up and do that sometime, so uh I
can see it for myself becauseI've always wanted to do that.
I've always watched like videosfrom Canada and you know, out
west where they call them downthe frozen rivers and you know
different things like that.
I've always wanted to do it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:46):
Well, the ice this year, we didn't have anything to
worry about.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:49):
I mean, we had 30 inches of ice this year.
They drove the truck there.
Right.
Yeah, we had we had a stand onetime in Kansas that we were
hunting this frozen pond, and wehad n I think it was either it
might have been nine coyotesthat came in all together, and
they were running out on the iceand across the and ever since
then I've had this obsessionwith trying to shoot one on a

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frozen pond or lake or somethingof that nature.
So that's a bucket list one Igotta do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:15):
That's a we have water in on our property, and
Jordan can just step outside andjust scan the scan.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:26):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:27):
Are the are the coyotes real vocal for you or do
they oftentimes come in quiet?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:32):
Um depends it depends on the night, honestly.
Some nights they just want totalk and not come in.
And some time some nightsthey're don't talk and they're
right there.
So it's it's it's kind of crazy.
Like you'll you'll put adistress call on, and sometimes
it feels like 15 seconds lateryou got one coming to check it
out.
Right.
And some nights it's like youtalk you do the distress,

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nothing happens, you kind ofwait, you be silent for a little
bit, and then you do, you know,howl or something, and then
they'll all just explode, andthey you're like, Well, they're
definitely you know not that faraway.
Yeah, and then and then there'scrickets, and then you don't
nothing comes in, you can'tentice them to do anything, so
it's really weird.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:13):
Yeah, it's probably just coyote hunting, but I've
always heard like at least my Idon't know, my mind uh always
thinks like if there's wolves inareas and stuff that coyotes
won't be as vocal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:24):
I think sometimes that might be the case.
I've on I've honestly always notalways, but have thought about
that.
Like I wonder if there isn't awolf or two.
Right, because don't they?
Yeah, and they're just notgiving up their location
tonight.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:36):
Exactly.
That's what I've always beenunder the impression of is if
the if the coyotes howl, theyjust told the wolves where they
are, and now the wolves areprobably gonna come after them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:44):
And I don't know if this is if there's any science
to this or not, but I feel likewhen I roll up on a field that I
have permission on or wherever,and I scan the field and there's
a lot of deer out there, I feellike there's no coyote.
Agreed.
There's no coyote.
I like I'm almost to the pointnow where I'm kind of bummed.
Yep.
When I scan the field, I'm like,great, there's 12 deer out here.

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I'm like, my experience withthat is there's no coyotes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:08):
Well, we went the other and then you roll.
You and I went out that night.
We how many deer did we see?
60 deer?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:14):
We didn't hear oh, we heard coyotes, but nobody
there was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:17):
There's nothing, and you literally it looks like
desolate land, and all of asudden you hit the collar, and
10 minutes later you got acoyote coming in, and you're
like, All right.
Yeah.
So I don't like I said, I don'tknow if there's any science to
that or not, but that's mymental checklist of things that
happen and don't happen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:33):
Yeah, I know that we do it a lot too.
Like when you're scanning afield or you're scanning an area
and you're like, Oh, there's abunch of deer out there, there's
clearly not a coyote around.
You know, like the other nightwe were on a stand and you know
what teed us off to here comessome coyotes is here once some
deer hauling across the field,running away from something, and
then you know, two minuteslater, here comes three coyotes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:53):
It's amazing how much those deer will tolerate,
you know, as being like a bowhunter.
Yeah.
Like, do we really bust thatmany deer when we walk in in the
morning?
I mean, yeah, we do, but ifyou're not careful, but like
it's just crazy to me.
I can walk out in the middle ofa cornfield and there's 12 deer
there.
You see, do a whole stand, shoota coyote.

(01:05:14):
Yeah, you set up, you get allyour things, your whatever I
mean, you're you're definitelytrying to hide yourself yourself
and all that, but your wind isblowing at them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:22):
And then you call, you're howling, and they don't
care.
Yeah.
It's like they know it's fake.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:27):
That's what I that's how I felt too.
Like how they're just grazing.
It's just what's a rabbit, youknow, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:34):
Then all of a sudden they turn all turn their heads,
like you know, like you know,behavior of deer when
something's going on, and you'relike, well, something's
definitely happening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:40):
Yeah, and it's crazy to me, like they can't smell
them.
They how do they see them?
And all of a sudden they justknow that they're coming from
how many a hundred yards awayand they're gone.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:49):
It's wild, and then they're gone, and then all of a
sudden there's a guy out there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, we I was telling the guy astory today.
We we called in six one time andkilled four of them.
There was probably six, sevendeer about 300 yards away.
We got done, we took pictures,we did the whole nine yards, and
we're walking out, and I lookeddown, and them deer were still
feeding down there in the corn.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:09):
Never moved.
I I find that uh found that kindof crazy too with even coyotes.
Yeah.
We've I guess I have a littlestory.
It might, it's kind of exciting.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:19):
I want to hear it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:20):
Okay, so Kyle and Nick, who I go coyote hunting
with, um, they take me out to aproperty that they have
permission on, and uh we parkthe truck and we get out and we
set up along this field edge,and we're literally like at the
only shrub that there is to likekind of backdrop us a little
bit.
And Nick hits his collar andfires it up, and uh all of a

(01:06:42):
sudden they're howling and thatI mean like hair stand up on
your neck right behind youhowling.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:47):
Yeah, so they're close.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:48):
They're close.
And they joke with me, they'reyoung, like you guys, and I'm
the old guy in the group.
And uh all of a sudden I kind ofturn and those two are running
across the field.
The two guys?
The two my my two buddies, Kyleand Nick, and they're running
across the field.
And I'm like, I guess we'removing.
You know, they didn't it failedto inform me that we're gonna go

(01:07:10):
Are you guys like separated orwe're standing in a line, but I
was like kind of scanning andall of a sudden look and they're
running across the field.
Oh after these after these cowsbutt, you know, just howl right
behind us.
I'm like, I guess we're so Islap my tripod together and go
running across this field afterthem.
And we're in this like drivewayof this farmhouse, and I know

(01:07:30):
gazebos aren't real farmhousey,but there was a gazebo like
right on the edge of this fieldthat we stood against.
So I always call it the gazebo,you know, gazebo stop and stand.
So anyway, he hits leaves thecollar, obviously where it was.
Yeah, hits the collar.
You can see in the thermal, youcan see his pickup parked up the

(01:07:51):
road.
There so mind you, they had tocross a road to get to this
other field that we werecalling.
And he hits a collar, and fivecoyotes come down to the road.
It look like a group of dogs,like walking like pet dogs.
Yeah.
Just looking around, like theyall cross, come in the field, we

(01:08:13):
shoot three of them.
And we're all high-fiving andpicking up our brass and our
headlamps are on, and Nick looksand he's like, There's two more
coming.
I'm like, how do they why didn'tthey hear us?
Why didn't they see us?
See us?
I mean, we're literallyhigh-fiving each other with our
headlamps on.
I'm like, they're like, he'slike, shut it off, we got

(01:08:34):
coyotes to kill.
So one's coming to my, you know,from my right, another one's
coming back across the field.
He turns like pound town onagain, and they're just coming
hard.
File right back in.
File right back in.
That was my first double thatnight, and one was uh on the
run.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:51):
And they're like all dead, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:52):
Yeah.
So it's crazy.
That was one of the best standsI was ever.
So what was the move?
Was the move to get the move wasto get farther away.
So if we were hunting here,yeah, here's the gazebo.
We started here, they howledfrom there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:09):
We ran across this field to get to here, and then
the coyotes came right out wherewe was there something behind
you or something that you feltlike they weren't gonna come or
like you couldn't shoot thatway, the house?
Uh I'm just picturing.
These two guys running acrossthe field, and you're standing
like, where are you guys going?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:24):
That's exactly how I felt.
Man, and of course, my buddyKyle, he's kind of a smart butt.
He goes, Come on, old man, can'tyou run?
I'm like, be nice if you told mefirst.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:34):
Wow.
That's that's interesting.
Wow.
I I'm not sure.
I think I might have just stoodthere and been like, I don't I
don't know if I was supposed togo with.
They didn't ask me or tell me.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:46):
You know who you are.
Yeah.
Those are the fun stands,though, and that's what Oh that
was that sticks out of my mindas one of the funnest ones.
So you ended up with two, or youended up killing five.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:57):
Oh my.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:00):
That was great.
It was fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My first night shooting two, adouble.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:07):
So yeah, that that that's enough to get you hooked
if it if you weren't before.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Yeah, you can't beat stands likethat.
And uh let's start wrapping up,and as we do, I'll kind of give
you guys the floor.

(01:10:27):
Tell everybody where to findyour resort, your social medias,
your websites, all the above.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:38):
Where do I start?

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:39):
Let's start with uh you can start start with pull
back and let go.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:43):
So pull back and let go.
Uh we are on Facebook andInstagram.
We have a battle with meta rightnow on some of this stuff, but
yes.
It is what it is, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:53):
But yeah, we all do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:54):
Buy meta.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:55):
We do as hunters.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:57):
Um, so pull back and let go is our handle.
Um the black logo, not the whitelogo.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:03):
Pull back and let go underscore official is the.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:07):
And then Anglers Haven Resort.
We are located in Hayward,Wisconsin.
Uh, we are on all the socialmedias.
We are a full bar andrestaurant, seven cabins on
beautiful La Coute-Ray.
Looks like La Courte Aurelis,French.
Um Yeah, that I mean, that'swhat we are.

(01:11:28):
Jordan is also Pink House Neons.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:31):
And the website for pullback is pullback and laco.
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:37):
Shopify is uh Shopify and all the apparel is
online.
I don't know how to uh uhotherwise sell ourselves here.
It's just you know prettystandard.
But um no, we are just busypeople, happy family, you know,
hard people or hard we are hardworkers.
Um busy people stay busy.
So exactly.

(01:11:57):
Yep, that's just what we do.
We just if there's no sit-downtime for us, just uh we just
keep moving.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:03):
Yeah, I agree.
And that's uh, you know, again,what brought you guys here is
the what the pullback and letgo.
And um, I'll have all theirlinks and stuff in the
description of this episode soyou guys can find it.
If you want to go to the resort,if you want to buy some sweet
t-shirts, uh there's some funnyt-shirts that you guys need to
check out.
Um, there's a bunch of cool, Imean, hoodies, joggers,

(01:12:27):
stickers, hats.
I mean, there's so many thingsthat trinkets and trash.
Yeah, trinkets and so manythings you guys need to see.
And uh maybe some maybe even theuh the getting hunting
permission shirt maybe mighteven help you score a piece of
property or two if you wear thatup to the door.
I'm starting to think that mightbe my last resort.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:48):
Might be a good luck uh token.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:50):
Yeah.
Uh so check it out.
You guys can uh look at allthese shirts I'm telling you
guys about, and uh you won'tregret it.
And it's good stuff, it's funny,it's uh something you want to
wear, show your friends.
It's like I was sendingSnapchats to my buddies this
morning that we need theseshirts.
Um it's just all stuff that isyou know, you want to wear out

(01:13:12):
and show people and say, look atmy shirt, and uh it's a good
conversation piece too.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:17):
So it's a great community to be part of, you
know, just the outdoors, keepingthe kids outside, doing all that
stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:22):
We don't take ourselves too seriously, so no.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:24):
Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:25):
Yeah, and that's what keeps it fun.
And it's it's the part that Ienjoy is it brings people like
us together, yep, you know, andnever would have before.
Uh it's been my favorite part ofdoing a podcast is meeting
people like you guys, uh, andall the relationships and
things, and you know, we'retalking predator hunting and you
know, how can we shoot dogs?
What sounds do you use and stufflike that.

(01:13:46):
That's super fun uh for me anduh brings us to places like this
to do things like this.
So thanks for appreciate yourguys' time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:56):
Yes, thank you.
It's nice to have like-mindedpeople.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:58):
Yes, a thousand percent.
So, all right, guys.
Well, I appreciate your time andSage and Austin, thank you, uh,
Jordan and Kelsey, and you guyscheck out Pullback and Let Go
and Anglershaven Resort.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:13):
Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:14):
We'll do it again sometime.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:15):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:16):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:18):
Thank you for listening to this episode.
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