History of WWE Roman Reigns: Failed Undertaker WWE Wrestlemania Match

In this episode of The History of Roman Reigns podcast, we’re joined by Isa The Demon Diva to break down the incredible run of Roman Reigns from SummerSlam 2017 to SummerSlam 2018 — a year that defined “The Big Dog’s” career. From his battles with Brock Lesnar, Braun Strowman, and Samoa Joe, to the emotional moments and fan reactions that shaped his legacy, we cover it all!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome back to the Roman Reins Podcast right here on
the Wrestling History Channel, and we have issa Remember put
up your ones for your tribal chief as always. How
you doing today, I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Ready to get into the next era of the ingaga.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, he's buying a yard. Apparently he's really interested in
owning his own yard, and that's what we'll talk about today.
But first off, if you haven't been paying attention to
the history of the Roman Rains podcast, we are currently
going through Summer Slims to Summer Slims, because resuming to
WrestleMania is you know, that's a little there's too much there.
Summer slim, Summer slim, you get a little bit more

(00:58):
meat on that bone. In September twenty sixteen, Roman Rains
is still involved with Russev and he he's earned himself
a US championship and I think a lot of fans
were pointing at their TVs. Not everybody, a lot of
people were going, aha, they're just giving him a championship
because we'll be so angry if he wins the world title.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
But yeah, well it's like what what do you guys want?
Like they put him out of the main title picture
at this point, you know, and fans are still upset
because they're putting him in the mid car like people,
you know what, you get it, you get it right.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I understand. But Class of Champions September twenty fifth, Roman
Rains does win the US Championship against Russev and this
is where more hate lands on Roman Rains because he
doesn't hold the championship the right way according to wrestling
fan now, is there a right way to hold a championship?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
However, Roman Rains holds it that is the right way to.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hold it, because I have seen so many people critique
where you know, you'll Bubbarey Dudley, you can't hold it
like this. And then there's a picture of him wearing
it like a necklace. You're like, well, sir sir, or
like Steve Austin used to just throw the world title
around undertake here, w drag it. You know there's people
wear it backwards. John Cena's used to spin. So I

(02:17):
always was confused why there was so much hate. They
were just finding anything about Roman Rains to hate.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think I think that the wrestlers and their characters
should probably make it their own, like you know what
I mean, like, do your own thing, make it you're own.
I don't understand. Sometimes I do think that we just
find things to complain about. This was heavily the case.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Man, Your dog is upset about the US Championship.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, because he knows Roman Rings main event material.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
That's true. Your dog is named Roman Rains, well not,
I guess not Rain. Is it a full name dog?
Is it Roman Rains or just Roman King? Roman King?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, yes, I made the mistake of giving him that name,
and obviously you hear the attitude now, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I hear it. H This is also a the time
they had Helme the Cell pay per views, where every
single main event match needed a hell in the Cell.
What's your thoughts on having that happen? They don't happen.
It doesn't happen that often anymore. But when you have
a hellm the Cell or a TLC or elimination chamber,
I think you know what you're getting when you're watching
a paper you called elimination chamber.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
They decided to get rid of it so that we
could have war games take its place.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, but honestly, I didn't mind it. But also I
think everyone, excuse me, I use that term too lightly.
Some people used to think were a hellme the cell,
we need blood, we need guts, I need someone front
off the top, I need fire, I need thumbtacks. And
then we got to these pay per view helm the
cells and no longer where you're gonna get three of

(03:46):
those types of matches. You're gonna get a match inside
of a hell in the cell instead of all right,
this time, I'm gona use glass and then we'll get
some legos. Like it's changed over the years.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I think it made people get creative with their with
their hell in a Cell matches and their styles and
how do we do it to, you know, set it
differently at some point, which is I believe it was
this one, the one in Boston where they allow the
women to have their first hell in a Sale match,
so they really had to like go out of their
way to figure out how do we make it differently?
But I do remember this one being a three hell

(04:17):
in a Sale matches in one pay per view, which
to me is a little bit of an overkill.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well yeah, especially when it's just hey, you beat me
for the US title. Yes I did. I also push
you in Cake, Yes you did well. Then let's fighting
a hell a Seal.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Wow. Yeah, when that's supposed to be like the Ultimate
and I like that now it restored that Now it
feels that way. They bring Helen a cell when it's
necessary and not just because it's a yearly pay per
view and we have to do it.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah. Good point. And we are in twenty sixteen, so
we're heading into Survivor series where we actually having Teams
SmackDown and Team Raw. And this is one of my
favorite Survivor series build ups because we have moments in
the ring with Jericho insulting everybody. James Elsworth is there
as well. There's a lot of Wow, this is twenty sixteen.

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Now let's read off the teams though. So on Team Raw,
you have Kevin Owns, who's the captain because he's the champ,
Chris Jericho, Ryman Reins who's the US Champion. I've got
to mention Jericho is on fire at this point with
the list and he is one of the greatest characters
at this point, wearing scarfs and he's hanging out with
Kevin Owns. He become best friends. They hug each other,

(05:25):
They're very, very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
But you also, I don't want many because he's reinvented
himself so much. But the list Festival of Friendship era
with Jericho is still so much.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
It's very true. It's it's interesting to think that Jericho
in two thousand and eight he had this amazing run
where he started wearing suits and he blinded Shawn Michaels,
he punched Shawn Michael's wife in the face. Like there's
a lot of Jericho there, but then you also have
him the Aya Toll of Rock and Roller when he
came in with the walls of Jericho. There's always been
different parts of him, and of course you know a

(05:58):
little bit of the bubbly Jericho has changed over the years.
But this twenty and twenty sixteen Jericho I really enjoyed
Top Tier because it wasn't his matches, though it was
anytime he wasn't in the ring. It was every time
he was talking. Was the best part of Jericho.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
During this build. I do remember him putting a style
stupid soccer mom's haircut on the list and you can
see the entire team role of Roman Rings, Kevin just
losing it. They're just losing it because nobody could keep
I don't know how people kept us three face around
some of the things that they did. This was fun.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I remember Jericho put Xavier Woods on the list, but
he kept billying. He's like, Xavier, no, no, no, do
do do too, don't do it, don't do it, and
he like clicks his pen. No, no, no do it,
You're on the list. The list in Xavier Wood.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
No, not a trombone like people talk about, like today's
generation talk about like oh the bracelet, how Tom can
tire and seeing Punk made such a big deal about
a bracelet, and I'm like, well, you're not there during
the pen.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Clip era because we were popping for a pen clipping
on a weekly basis, like this has always been a
thing on wrestling.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, I think it's funny that people were so obsessed
with a bracelet and being broken or not being broken,
putting a storyline because you know, flash back to nineteen
ninety nine, the Big Boss Man killed Al Snow's pet
and then fed it to him. Yeah, right, fed it
to him. I wasn't watching and you don't have to.
But people are like, okay't believe he put beads in

(07:28):
his mouth from his bracelet. How dare he someone fed
another dog?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
In fact, I had no idea about this until listening
to your former podcast, Defan podcast. I remember you mentioning
it on one of the podcasts I was listening to,
and I was like, excuse me, and I got I
went into a rabbit hole. So thanks Steve for introducing
me to that storyline.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You're welcome. You're very welcome. I know a lot of
people are like Austin Rock DX like, well, there's also,
you know, a female stable called PMS. There's also a
miscarriage storyline, there's people giving birth to hands, There's all
time of shit. So I'm glad we're introducing people to
the past here on the Wrestling History Channel, because boy,
I got a lot more to talk about, especially with

(08:08):
weird shit and wrestling. But I love the twenty sixteen
Survivor series because this is when the brand split happened,
and finally we were back to the brand split, meaning
something separate pay per views. We had two pay per
views a month with both brands. I loved it. Every
two weeks you hit a new event, and if you
watch TNA, you can watch them. If you watch New Japan,

(08:29):
you had every single weekend you could watch something that
was big and important and Team Rock, Kevin Owens, Jericho,
Roman Reigns, seth Rowlins without a tan he looks a
little sloppy here, and bron Strowman on Teams SmackDown. You
have the Captain, AJ Styles, Dean Ambros, Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt,

(08:49):
and Shane McMahon.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
So good wow, and this night lipped. I love this much.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's interesting as we podcast that Kevin Owens not act,
Jericho not active. I guess in the WWE, seth Rawlins
is injured, Remarrain's constantly on vacation, and Bronz Stroman is
out of the company. Aj Sty, I know, it's so
crazy that show's doing very well in ratings too. Aj
Styles still active, he's retired next year, de Name Bros

(09:19):
and aw rainy Or and he's in and out. Bray Wyatt,
Raywyat unfortunately passed away, and Shane McMahon again kicked out
of the company by his family. So look at that.
That's twenty sixteen. You know, if we're gonna give away,
it's twenty twenty five November when we're recording this. It's
insane that just a few years go by and mostly

(09:41):
everybody on that team is no longer active or in
the company on unfortunately alive. Yeah, man remarrains did eliminate
Shaye Makman midair with a spear. And this is when
Seane McMahon was injured. He got knocked out and he
is just wobbly legged. Did you remember this?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yes, I remember this. I thought Roman killed him with
that spear. I think there was some footage of Randy
kind of sneaking over to tell his kids that that
Shane was okay, to tell Shane's kids that he was okay,
because everybody was freaked out about this, I believe, if
I'm not mistaken. Wasn't he gonna hit like a coast
to coast and with the spear it's such a good spot.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
It just looks so rough. And I think I forget
what documentary and watching on. I'm sorry, no, no, the documentary
was watching about Shane McMahon. It was recently. I was
watching something and it kind of brought up like sha
mc mann just wanted a goddamn hug from his dad,
Like all these things is doing is to dad? Was
did you did you think of you like that? God

(10:42):
damn it. No, I'm gonna write you the worst happy
birthday tweet ever and people are gonna still bringing up today.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Shaman birthday tweet. Its legendary.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I just think it's so strange, Like I understand, like Stephanie,
she just shows up and he's like, oh, my little princess.
But then the Sun's like you piece of garbage. You
suck jump off that. But but yeah, I don't want.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
To you don't have a favorite kid.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I have a favorite kid, but I'm not gonna say, well,
actually I have two favorite kids, and then I have
three kids though, so.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Do the math on that feels I don't have kids,
but my nephews to throw on my face every time
that they know which one my favorite is. It's so funny.
It's like a whole war within my three netfields.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well it's it's common knowledge and family. There's always going
to be favorites here. But you know, uh, during this
matchup of the Shield actually get together and because Dean
Ambros and Aj Styles are on the same team, but
yet they don't like each other because aj is the
world champion, so we want to set up a scenario
where the Shield reunite again to power bomb aj Styles

(11:46):
through the table. This will be like the first big
moment of the Shield looking around each other. Wait we
were together? Wait wait, like the Spider Man meme when
everyone's pointing at each other like we should power bomb
something together. Yeah, we should, we should do that, and
then you know they do it. Remine wins the match.
Rem Rains is the last man eliminated by Bray Wyatt
is when Bray White is on fire with Raindy Orton

(12:07):
having a great storyline building to WrestleMania, but Team SmackDown wins,
rem Rains loses. And I bet someone had something to
complain about.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
No. I I like the I like the Roversus SmackDown
era of things, and I like seeing Roman in. You know,
the internet probably found something to complain about. Like you said,
maybe he killed Shane McMahon. Shame on him, you know,
push him further down the card. But I was happy
with it.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, and this is I just feel bad for Sea McMahon.
So this poor boy, this poor man, he went on
to be Okay, Yeah, he's got three amazing sons, a
you know, beautiful wife, and it's just so funny that
he wanted to buy the UFC too a long, long,
long time ago, and then that shit, I wants to

(12:55):
watch that ship. Well, Hooters and Buffalo Wild Wings for
like fifteen years were clearing out on Saturday nights, having
you a sea fights every single weekend. If you if
you attend those establishments. I've never been to a Hooters.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I have definitely been to a Hooters. I remember texting
someone from WD about it and then they came over and
it was we had some wings. It was fun. December
twenty sixteen, though, Roadblock end of the line. This is
when they started just bringing back weird names. You had Roadblock,
fast Laying, things of that nature. But there's a WCW
wrestler named Roadblock, so everyone loves that meme where when

(13:30):
Roadblock comes up, they just show the picture of this,
like you know, the slouch and w CW named Roadblock, Like, look,
it's it's Himley. I get the joke. But can we
all stop posting the same picture, go find another picture
of Roadblock?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
You know?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Can we do that? Would you think?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Though?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
We're heading into clearly at Kevin Owen's Roman Reign's Robbery
and Jerco is involved as well. But were you thinking like, Okay,
Jericho and Kevin owensre gonna break up the whole time,
or you thinking like, oh, this is just a great friendship.
Because now in today's world, we're all we see someone
from a friendship, we're like, oh, they're gonna break up
soon and fight. We're just waiting for them to break

(14:06):
up and fight. I didn't really feel like Jericho and
Owens were gonna break up and fight.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I didn't. I didn't feel they were gonna break up.
I and even I thought it was funny because I
remember some segments that were leaning to the rumor said
they were gonna break up and they wouldn't up throwing
us and I was just having so much fun that
I know. I didn't see them breaking up, not that
soon at least.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
It's so funny you say that. I do remember the
internet trying to uh sleuth like, oh, they're breaking up,
and then they pretended they were breaking up just to
fool everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, it was a segment where they blame Roman rains.
They were like pretending they were going on it and
they were like, wait, do you know who's fault it is?
And they both killed Rover Rings and muked it out.
I loved I love that segment.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
The Internet. They didn't have nothing. Also, Rumen Rains defeats
Kevin Owens on episode of Raw to earn a championship
match at Roadblocks for the Universal Championship. They don't really
do that much anymore, but my god, was this a
thing for so long where you beat the champion for
the title. Excuse, you beat the champion in a non
title match to earn the chance to fight them again,

(15:08):
but for the championship. I never liked that at all.
I thought that was such a wasted just what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
No, I'd rather see the match on pay per view
like this, do something different to name than number one contender,
because if you really beat him, you're making your champion beatable.
You're giving us the match really on free TV. It
was just I felt it was pointless. And they still
do it here and there, but not as often as
they were doing it during this time, because they were
doing it with all the titles to the cars. Oh
you're with the championn now you get a title shot

(15:35):
and we'll get to see the match over again on
pay per view.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Why so, yeah, you have to pay to see them
fight again for the championship. But you just watched on
Raw SmackDown when they fight each other, but the title
wasn't on the line. Okay, I get it, I get it. Yeah,
they did that for every championship. I couldn't stand that shit.
It drove me up a wall. I know they kind
of stopped it. But now the teasing of the Jericho

(15:58):
Kevin Owens breakup really comes a play here at Roadblock,
because Jericho realizes that how can Kevin Owens win the
match but actually not beating Rum and Rains because they
you know, they can't beat Roman Rains. Well, Jericho accidentally
gives Kevin Owens the code breaker, which then gets Kevin
Owens like Roman Rains is qualified. I mean it's Kevin

(16:19):
Owens wins the match because of Chris Jericho. I love this.
It's a genius idea.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I always thought about it, like, there's so many things
that even the other day with just recently when Drew
and Cody were having that if Cody gets decued, he loses,
and I'm like, why doesn't throw fight somebody to come
in and hit him, pain them or something like. I
always thought that this this logic should be used more,
and I appreciate it when they do use it.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, I always just be crazy when it's like a
no holds barred match and all you're using his candle
sticks and chairs like hello, bring down a knife, like.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, I wish that they would use this kind of
logic more, especially from the hips, you know, like, yeah, okay,
you want to keep your baby faces so heroic, but
the heels should be out smarting them in heelways, and
they did that here with your going Kevin os.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Also, I want to tip my hat to you because
last week you're wearing a hat. This week you're wearing
a T shirt and a hat of Roman Rains.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I wore a T shirt and a hat last week.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh you did wear a T shirt last week? A
different one, A different one, Okay, okay, okay. Because the
OTC is pretty prominent, I'm like, oh shit, there it is.
Next week you'll have arm bands like fake rummraines. Tattoos.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well I don't. I don't need fake tattoos.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, you have real ones, but I'm talking about you
have sleeves like Roman Rains, you know, on your arms
and chests whatever. Yeah, next week you wear the glove.
All right, next week with the glove I will wear.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He's in here somewhere.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Now we are told at Royal Rumble we're gonna get
Jericho in a shark cage while Kevin Owens takes on
Roman Reins for the Universal Championship. I forever do not
enjoy shark cage matches. Your thoughts on shark caage matches.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
They're so stupid, But I don't want to say I
and enjoy them, because I do think if you put
somebody entertaining that shark cage, it does add up to it.
Jericho wasn't entertaining. Recently we saw with Dumb Mysterious. There's
been a handful of them that I'm like, well, I
appreciate it because I like, who's in the sharkcage and
what could they possibly do?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now there's one where Jerry Lawler's in it, and he
apparently he had like a scab in his mouth and
he made his nose bleed. Excuse me, a scabin his nose,
I mean his nose. So he was pretending head was
having a nosebleed while in a shark cage, Like, oh,
I'm so nervous in the real world. I've never seen
someone get to a height and like, oh my god,
I'm my nose bleeding. I know that the thing and

(18:46):
like TV and cartoons, but I've never actually seen someone
in the real world have a bloody nose while on
a roller coaster or climbing up some really high same.
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because you're right, they make it seem like it happens
all the time.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I never Yeah, maybe this world is suffering from those
bleeds and I'm just not. I'm one of the lucky few.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I've had those bleeds before.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
But sitting around right just like, oh shit, what's going on?
I know what's happening. Oh okay, I'm not on a
roller coaster. I'm not climbing in the Empire State Building.
Yeah no, no, it's very weird stuff. Now Headington's roar
a rumble. This is when Jericho and Kevin Owens wrestle
Roman Reigns on an episode of Raw. Now, if you're

(19:31):
keeping track at home, Kevin Owens and Roman Rains are
fighting a lot on free television.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm pretty sure that the people talk about Roman and Brock.
I think Kevin Owens is the one that Roman has
fought the most when it comes to his iconic rivalries.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Ooh, my number is one. You're counting raw and smackdowns
and pls and paper pieces. Oh yeah, mm hmm, just
by doing research for this.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
One of Roman rings, if not top Roman marines, like most,
that he's forged the most. Wow about Brock and people
talk about Brock and I'm like, no, it's Kevin Owens.
Take it from a Roman rings historian, obviously I.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Would say, yes, of course I would see. Yeah. I
wonder who the third person is then, because you probably
definitely Kevin Owens. Brock, maybe Seth Rollins is third.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I don't think his thoughts that Rowlands won on one
that much.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Bron Strumman probably is his third.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Then they didn't really have that many though.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Wow, interesting that you have.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Me thinking about that. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
have to get back to you on that one on
next next time we record, because I know I gotta
really think it through because he's had a couple of
people that he's fought out locked.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm so happy you said that because Kevin Owens, I
guess it is clearly not getting the credit he deserves
being someone who's been involved with the different stages of
Roman reigns, when everyone takes giant dumps on brock Lesnar
for having maybe six matches with Roman, Kevin Owens has
had like twenty five just by reading the office.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
List here, and we haven't even gotten to the Tribal
Chief era where he had on other twenty.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I think, yeah, yeah, I think if I have three
pay per views in a row.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But I love this match. Was that that Royal Rumble
twenty seventeen in San Antonio?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh you were? Yeah, Well, we'll talk about the Royal
Rumble in a second, because before this the handicapped match,
Jericho ends up winning the match, pinning Roman reigns. Now
Jericho pins Roman Reigns, not Kevin Owens. So Jericho is
now the United States Champion. And this is where the
cracks start to appear on the internet, where everyone's like, oh, Jerich,

(21:23):
over's Kevin. But now you have two champions. You learn like,
how can Kevin Owns as a universal champion take on
the US Champion at Wrestlemanium. We'll probably get to that
later on, but moraines he does not win here at
the Royal Rumble against Kevin Owns. He loses. Stupid Bronze Trowman.
You got something against braun.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, anybody that's don't r Rings thirty I have beef
with and I have him blocked on Twitter. He's one
of them.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wow, you've blocked Braunze Strouman.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, if you have, if you have ever done Roman
Rings thirty, you are blocked. So im me saying he's blocked.
The ussos are blocked. Pull him and is blocked from
the Roman's blocked. Nic Al is blocked. Everybody that does
Roman Rings thirty is blocked.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I hope you've blocked Kevin Owens, then I will never Oh.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Kevin always was fighting for a cast. He didn't do
him dirty. Oh if you earn the match, okay, then
you're fighting. But if you do him dirty, then you
get blocked. Okay, there's a there's a psychology.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
It sounds like it. It sounds like there's something in there.
I'm not sure what it is.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Though.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
So Roman Rains loses to Kevin Allens. He champions. So
now you have the Royal Rumble match. Everyone's all excited like, Oh,
who's gonna win, Who's gonna win number thirty? Who's it
gonna be? What secret entrance is gonna be someone from
the past. Oh, I can't wait, it's Roman Rains. Yeah.
What was the reaction like for you? And then the

(22:53):
people around you? And they saw Roman Raine show what.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
This is when we start debunking. Because let me tell
you something. There was a pop. I have the clip.
I can post it on my Twitter. There was a pop.
We didn't have the numbers. We never knew Roman in
the arena. We never knew Roman was number thirty because
we don't know the number of the people coming out. Yeah, no, no, no.
But the whole point is the Internet was falling apart

(23:16):
because it was number thirty. We don't know. People popped
and we're just waiting. And then after a minute, I
remember people on me coming Oh he was the last
one because the screen was black. Okay, so there was
a popul Roman coming out and at the arena, we
didn't know he was number thirty and people popped. It
was the Internet that was falling apart. But I still
have the clip and I will post it on my

(23:37):
Twitter when we post this episode.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Wow, yeah, because one online I know. Well, even watching it,
I remember hearing booze, but obviously you're hearing I don't know,
different microphones picking up different things.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, because where I was, I'm gonna send it. I'll
send you the clip and you can insert it if
you want. In the editing, there was there was no
there was no booing that was there was. I'm not
saying it was the biggest pop imaginable, but we I
think the only one that we were pretty aware of
what number it was was Tidlinger because he came out
at number ten. We didn't have the spring was not working,
so we didn't know what order that were coming out.

(24:13):
So unless you were mentally keeping track, the people that
were there were just popping for the people coming out
because we didn't know until the match kept going and
nobody else was coming on, and that's when we were like, oh,
they made it number thirty. But it took me a
solid like five minutes to put it together because you're
just waiting and you know, the countdown is never really
accurate on when the person is gonna come out. So yeah,

(24:34):
like this is a debunking moment because the Internet did
fall apart, but the people in the animaldon this night
were not aware that Roman was number thirty. The spring
was not working, we didn't know the order.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I think the Internet lost their mind that night because
when Roman Rains lost the US Championship to Jericho on
that episode of A Row, they went into convincement. They're like, well,
obviously were the Rumble, and obviously he's gonna wrestle in
the wind world title by the.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Way, which I know we'll get into this as we
keep discussing, but people need to give Roman his flowers
for getting people over by being the last eliminated on
a rumble, because my god, they have played that card.
They did it here and they do it again like
four more times when they have somebody eliminate him last
to get the big massive pub because nobody wanted to
see Roman win the rumble. They started it here with Randy.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, Randy Orton does toss out Rains to win the
Undertaker for the second time. Yeah, Rom and Rains tosses
out the Undertaker, Jericho and Bray Wyatt.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
So this rumble was crazy, by the way, because Undertaker
we brought Lessner was and like this rumble was stacked.
People were talking about the last Rumble because you know,
we have seen a punk Roman Rolins. But when you
have a thing rumble crazy stacked.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Let's let's read off who's in it so we can
uh just figure this out. So it's so funny because
you see the names instantly, like, wow, this is twenty seventeen.
So but here we go. We'll go through the list,
big big casts. Yeah, Chris Jericho, Kalisto, Mojo, Rowley, oh Man,

(26:14):
I can't remember, Mark, Henry braun Strumman, Sammy Zain, Big Show,
Ty Dillinger, James Ellsworth, Dean Ambros, Baron Corbyn, Kofi Kingston,
the Miss, Seamus big E, russev Czarro, Xavier Woods. Now
we're getting the Xavier Woods is twenty so now twenty

(26:34):
one you got Bray Wyatt, Apollo Cruz, he was my pick,
Ray new Yorton, Dolph Zigler, Luke Harper, Brock Lesner, Enzo
Goldberg Undertaker, and Roman Reigns like the last ten besides
the Paulo Cruise. It's pretty stacked.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
And I will give flowers to Enzo. He is stacked
in that group. He's he was number twenty seven, the
most popular wrestlered for so long. I don't want to
hear any shit about today's world, but at this time,
people love that zo. Oh yeah, but man, the last
few people even you're talking about the twenty twenty five
Rumble where it was like Rolins seeing a punk Roman.

(27:14):
It was like boom boom, boom boom. And I feel
like here in twenty seventeen year, Goldberg, Taker and Roman
your last three Rock Well he's not the last three, uh,
but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, Brock was.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Guys like these names being in a rumble was crazy.
And this is back when they would actually use these
Rumbull's eliminations to set up your storylines for WrestleMania. You
weren't just looking for the Rumble winner. You have to
pay attention on what happened in the Rumbo match because
half of the WrestleMania card came out of these eliminations.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I know that's been dropped over the years where they're like,
we'll just ignore that part. We're all start a storyline
in December while it's Christmas time. In years just.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Booking a freaking smart booked rumble.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
The things that he could do, you know, yeah, but
they know the doing for months ahead of time, of
course they Yeah, of course, if they did, you would
have a storyline building in Royal Rumble to WrestleMania. But
let's not get into today's world. Let's just talk about
twenty seventeen. Well, Raindy Orton won the rumble, he goes
on to fight.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Brataker and said this is well he didn't say that yet,
at least on the microphone, that is, but now he.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Pointed at him. He was like, oh shit, this is
But okay, Undertaker at this point in time really not
very active in the ring. And we're clearly setting up
you said Roman Reigns versus Undertaker at WrestleMania. Now the
year before where you hit Triple Ah versus Roman Raines
that didn't go very well for the Internet fans, and

(28:48):
now you're heading into this like why can't The question
for you is not about Undertaker. The question is why
do they keep putting rumanrains against like Estabulus stars. They
think that's going to get over the Internet fans.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's not, especially when you're putting him against fans' favorites,
Internet favorites, legends like this. But is this would have
served the purpose that it was supposed to. It would
have been a massive milestone for Roman, but it did nothing.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, Unfortunately, we head into fast Land though, because bron
Stroman did cost Roman Reigns the championship match, the roy rumbles,
so we get Bronze Trowman versus Roman Reigns at this event.
It ended Struman's undefeated streak at this point in time
because he was dominating. And I loved Brounze Stroman. I

(29:36):
even loved when Roman Reigns came back as the tribal
chief taking out the fiend and Bronze Stroman because it
really played back to man like Roman and bron were
at the hip for a long time, and then Roman
and Bray were at the hip for a long time,
and I thought it was like a nice If you
were paying attention, you noticed, oh we targeted these two people.
Not Yeah, people have.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Major history with him. Bronze Tromans are not finished with you.
While talking to Roman really got over with the internet.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
People did love that. Yeah, you know what, you know
what really, Bronze Trumen was playing a giant like cello
when he was making fun of Elias.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Oh my god, this symphony is something match well what's
it called? It was something symphony? I remember this.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I drank. I drank enough to forget it. Okay, I
don't want to remember that match, but fast Land is
just another event to get us ready for WrestleMania. Romanins
feeding Bronze Trumen. Now they don't take her confronted. Both
men though, building tension to their match, clearly building up
to we'll take her fight on Braun. We'll take your fight,
U Roman WrestleMania, but we do get Roman Rains versus Undertaker,

(30:42):
no holes barred. Were you there for this event?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes, I was in Orlando.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
What do you think of the match?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
It was stupid, It was ridiculous, and I was very
upset that they put in that position.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Now, Undertaker obviously on his podcast and his they did
whole documentary series about this on I don't know network
maybe at the time, and it was like six parts
and he talks about how he is so out of shape.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
He's not takes the blame, but at that moment, nobody
was taking the blame.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
But well, because what Taker's gonna go on TV the
next night, We're like, sorry, everybody, I was doing.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
What you know what not to not to retrack what
I just said. But I actually do think what they
let Roman come out and do the next day was
some of the best of they don't move room in.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Years, well every night after us Man and even last
year where he said, you know, I'm not I'm not
the guy, I'm not the I'm not a bad guy.
I am the guy and you're like Dom and then
this year he says something the same. But yeah, this
match brings back so many like Goldberg versus to take
your memories where you're like, damn, everything keeps going wrong,

(31:51):
like nothing is going right in this match, and it's
no fault probably to Roman, it's clearly Taker is just
not in shape for this type of match, in this
type of ending. And the fact that at the end
of this match is really like come like the retirement
of Undertaker, Like did they think this is gonna be
a good match and they thought we should retire at
the end of this? Like it make him an audible.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I think he wanted to retire at the end of it.
I just think that Taker was not going to go
out on that performance, and I get it. I think
that the least you, the least you could have done
is actually stay retired to at least give him that.
But you couldn't because you know, you have to get
cood matches. The least you could have done to make
it up was to stay retires fun. Roman could go

(32:36):
on to say he retiring, but no, of course they
did nothing. Yeah, I won't tell you wanting though. People
were all sad and I was just happy that Roman won.
So I have clips on me. I was like I
walked out of that WrestleMania in heaven, said one Brock
one Roman one. I was like I was in Club nine.

(32:57):
I was so happy.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think at the end the night, when everyone was
like tweeting about this event, it was more about Undertaker
retiring than the hate on Roman. But there was just
a lot of like, wait, aren't take your retiring? Why
why now?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
After that, EU, did you not see the match? Of
course he needs to retire.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Well, yeah, because he got beaten by the big Dog.
Yeah this now we're back to back WrestleMania matches where
me as a me personally as a fan, I didn't
find them enjoyable. I thought they were long and just
muddling through getting the big spots in. Like I didn't
think Triple H versus Roman was good. I didn't think
Roman range was the take care it was good. I

(33:34):
thought Rock versus Roman was good at thirty one.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, but these are things that people are not
There are conversations that people are not ready to talk
about because people are gonna blame it on Roman. Right,
but did you enjoy triple age twenty something minutes match
against Batista? Against it against Roman? This isn't a Roman problems.
This is a triple age problem. He does in every WrestleMania.
But people love triple age, so they're not gonna have
that conversation and they're gonna blame it on Roman, who

(33:58):
was escape goat at the time.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's a good point too. They did use him a lot. Well,
like you can just handle it like you can handle
those booze Right, You're fine.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
But that's the thing, right, And the thing of it
is just like I make these points, but because I'm
so Roman bias preepos, I know you're just defriending room
and I'm like, no, I'm making good points, like you
don't have a comeback for because it's true every so
Mania after point has to go out there. I have
these long drawn out matches that do nothing for nobody.
But you're gonna blame it on the younger start that
he's going against because he's beloved, and I'm probably gonna

(34:30):
be doing that with Roman in the upcoming years, you know,
because that's what we do when you have a favorite.
But I think that Roman was putting situations where people
I'm glad that we're discussing it now because I thought
it will take years before people will sit down and
have a conversation on bias and be like, well, maybe
it wasn't all the Roman. You know.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
No, I'm not gonna say take her was a grandpa,
but honestly, it was like watching Roman reigns, who's like
this in shape Stallion take on this grandpa, and you're
expected to have some some crazy great five stars match
or things of that nature. You're not gonna get that here.
You shouldn't expected.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And I know that Taker had his conditions. And the
sad thing is that this was set up since January.
There was time to figure out if he was gonna
be able to get in shape. If not, can we
just book a squash, you know, like let Roman squash
him and let's get it over within five minutes, like
you know what I mean, Like this could have been
handled differently because if you know since January at the
rumble that Taker is not really getting there and the

(35:26):
time is getting closer. Then books something smarter to help
everybody involved. Whoa when and Taker took his bow like
he had his moments So you could have done a
match that match what you were given at the time.
You know, the respect for Taker, I will never like.
Taker is one of the greatest everces forever be and
I still believe he's a ten minute He still scares

(35:47):
me to that. Ryan. That's just not a lot of
people have been able to keep the character, to keep
us suspending our beliefs even if we know better. That's
that's something that Taker will forever do. But this was
also disappointing and it did nothing for nobody when he
should have been a humongous milestone.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, it's a black cloud over this match. Like obviously
thirty years of Undertaker, you look at a couple of
bad matches, you can't be like, well, his whole career
is ruined. No, just a couple of bad ones towards
the end, the first you know, million matches, a great breakot.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
The way his last match, So no, I loved it,
So there's that.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, that's funny though, But so the next time on
Raw though, Rummance comes out to a chorus of boost.
Everyone hates him. It's the raw crowd obviously after WrestleMania.
He can't talk, they won't let him speak, and he
finally describes a microphone.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Actually, this is the first time that I will tell
you I was the only one man you were like
got out.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I can't imagine how well you got through that night,
and but a lot of drinks probably, But this is
my yard now, is what Rumans says. And everyone booed
except for Lisa, and everyone was upset except for Lisa.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
And that was the beginning. This could have been a
massive hiltern and they didn't pull through with it. And
I thought that's what we were going with it, because
he just came out. Let everybody booth. There was there
was smiling, smirking that the people got more aggressive because
it wasn't bullant. People were hinting some crazy stuff, right,
And you see Roman just standing there smirking, smiling. This
is my yar. Now drops the mic and walk away,

(37:21):
and I was like, wow, we could really reset, you know,
like he's getting boothed, everybody hate him, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, Nope, but we did get more Bronze Truman versus
Rumen Rains at Payback the next month. And this is
where this is where there's a great gift out there
where Bronz Truman has a big set of stairs and
Roman is running at him and just bron just throws
them and just cracks Ruomen in the face and just
falls over. That's what That's what this match is. Yeah,

(37:47):
that's really all this is. It's just Washington always. I
love I and I am a proponent for Bronze Trumman.
I'll do a podcast by myself if I have to,
but I love.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I do.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's hanging up over there next to the photos of
my children.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Wow, my kids, Brostrom so proud.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yep, yep. I replaced all my kids photos for their
school year photos this year with pictures of bron And
you have to you gotta good old bron Yeah. It's
just just men beating the crap out of each other.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Though.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
We're heading into a pay per view Extreme Rules in
June of twenty seventeen. This is one of the worst
pay per views ever, flat out. It's saved by one
match and that's the main event. The whole thing is bad.

(38:47):
Don't watch it. Don't tune in, don't google it. I'm
saving you the time right now. If you want to
watch something, watch them in an event. It's good. But
that's it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I feel that way a lot a lot of these
Extreme Rules pay per views.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Oh yeah, you read the.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Halloween Team one? Is that?

Speaker 3 (39:06):
When is that when MS was eaten by zombies?

Speaker 1 (39:11):
That was a backlash that was after Mania if I'm
not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Okay, okay, because he was right after they thought.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, it was after they fought about Bunny remember, and
then it was Damian Priest and the miss by themselves
on the pay per view pollst WrestleMania. But but the
Halloween Team one was the one where Ringed Stereo lost
his eye grew back. Yeah, amazing stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
That's what science does, you know, That's what you know.
That's what talent all does for you. But Extreme Rules
has a fatal five way match. It's Roman Rains versus Seth, Ronalds,
Samoa Joe, Finn balor Ray Wyatt. Well, Roman Rains does
not win, Samoa Joe does, and that does get us

(39:56):
Somemo Joe versus Brock. Wasn't it the strangest named pay
per view? Balls of Fire yeah, where if the look
at the poster, I'll allow you took google the poster,
original poster of Great Balls of Fire. It looks like
a big old dick with two balls. Wait, oh yeah,

(40:18):
I forgot what this poster looked like. Oh yeah, now
you have. I said, I said, I want you to
google it because it's it's necessary to see because it
is truly balls and a wiener. And then they try
changing it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yep, I forget about that.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I don't know that's funny.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Okay, google it, google it, Google it, you'll see balls.
And then they changed it. And what's even funny about this?
Remember the lawsuit about this because you know there's a
song Goodness Gracious, Great Balls of Fire. Well, apparently the
WW was like, we'll just name in anything. Well, the
people who own that song were like, excuse me, you

(41:13):
owe us some money because you can't just use our ips.
Vince loses his mind when someone says that to him,
but he thinks it's okay to do to somebody else. Well,
out of nowhere, they changed the poster there, but the
name sticks. Even the intro of the pay per view
has the song Great Balls of fire in it, so
clearly someone the checks were signed and everything was taken

(41:34):
care of. But it's just so damn funny that they
had Great Balls of Fire.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
An interesting discussion lately, I've been seeing of like lose
Vince McMahon pay per view names and make some new
ones up. Well, I think we should resurrect Great Balls
of Fire for going to bring back Russell Palouza.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I bring I've been on thing bring back Great Balls
of Fire since since the beginning.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Same set my balls on fire. Please, Well, it can
happen if you don't protect yourself kids. Oh god, ill,
I'm just giving people the advice they need. An episode
of Raw before grape Balls of Fire. Bron Strumman returns
because he's been out since extreeme uh since Payback, so

(42:19):
now he's returned two pay per views later, and he
challenges the Marines to an ambulance match. And this is
car crashes and people are getting tipped over inside ambulance.
This is one of my favorite. Grape Balls of Fire
is just so entertaining for the name, the poster and
these matches. What are your thoughts on ambulance matches because
sometimes I actually like them same.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I sometimes like them. I remember that we hadn't seen
one in a while, and you know, like I'm at
this point not so new, but I'm newer to the fandom,
so like I seen them on rewatch, but since I've
been watching, like religiously w W, I haven't seen one.
So I was super hyped, especially because of the quality
of matches they have given us before this too, you
knew they were going to kill it.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Well, speaking of killing, Remarraines tried to kill Braunz Strumman
here marines in the ambulance when he crashed the ambulance
with Strumman in started, leaving both men a little injured.
And I again, I remember the internet. How can you
call him a baby face when he's trying to kill people? Well,

(43:23):
he's fighting him, killed the.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Guy that wouldn't leave him alone. A monster among men?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yes, he's a monster among men. And then wasn't he
a monster among monsters? Was the thing too for a
little while? How dare you don't worry? Broun don't worry? Sorry,
I was just talking to Brounz sweatshirt.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I know the way you look up to him longer
he's over there, he's anymore.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Everybody, I think he's locked in my basement. He's not.
He's doing the food show all right, as you watch
this in ten years from now, he was doing a
food show in twenty twenty five of November. Uh yeah,
so I love that moment where they're just the ambulance
match really adds a lot to what's going on here.

(44:11):
But rum and rain. So he's the he's demanding a
world championship match against Brock Lesner at SummerSlam. Well instead
we get a fatal four way. It's Roman versus Brock
versus Broun versus Samoa job. And you want to talk
about potatoing somebody, this whole match is four badass men
actually punching each other in the face.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Big meaty men slapping meat. I was here for this too.
This was back when we were spoiling. Got like four
Summer Slams in a row in New York. Those were
the days. Yeah, this match was everything that you would
think of by listening to those names, and more like,
if you will have high expectations just because of the names,
they actually surpassed your expectation. This match was fun and

(44:55):
it's a great rewatch.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Oh Braun Strowman hit Brock really hard. Well, then Brock
decides to take his knee and slam it into Braun
Struman's face and Braun, you see, you just have to realize.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't I don't understand what Braun was thinking here,
Like maybe he was hungry, I don't know, but like,
why would you do that to Brock, to brocable people
who just just Brock doesn't f around. He just wants
to come out, wrestle, make his money, and leave. Don't
make any mistake, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
This was also around the time brock Leson was a
part time world champion and he would only appear so often,
and so when he did the actually the matches were
very important. And then that was brought up where like, well,
not the UFC champions are boxing champions, Like they don't
defend their championship every month because they're preparing for a
big fight. They have to prepare themselves. I like that comparison.

(45:47):
I don't like it in today's world because you're trying
to I'm watching a television show. I do want to
see my world champion on your television show. No matter
who you are, I don't care if you're Cody or
Rock or Austin or Hogan, I want to see you
on TV because you're supposed to be the guy.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
But I mean, we guess we have to see him.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You have to see him.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
So I like to prepare for a big match for
like ten years or so. I would that Cody he
can go and prepare for a big match.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
For ten years and then you know, and come back,
yeah with his kids grown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, man, No,
I I do, I do.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I I appreciate it, Brock. I am of the belief
of and I do watch other sports. I watch UFC,
I watch you know, boxing, I watch other things. But
I am of the belief that if something is there
all the time, you don't appreciate it as much as
we only get it.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Sporadically, I agreed, and I thought, you're not eating.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Pizza every day, or there's a reason gives every day.
You don't get your birthday every day because it should
feel special.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I wish I watch Christmas was every day.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I don't. It will get expensive. Why would you wish
that you have like kids?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Listen, I've already I've already put on Christmas music in
my house to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Of course. Of course that's after Halloween is fair game.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, oh yeah, November first that at midnight, I I hey, Alexa,
play me jingle bells and then both you know that Puerto.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Rico has the longest, like Christmas season. We go, we
have Christmas and tool at least I think it's like
January like eighteenth or something.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I like this idea. That's when I take down my
Christmas decorations because like it's too cold to where I live,
but I don't want to go outside. We can go
outside now, but yeah, finish Barrock Lesnar counter as Roman
reigns Spear and uh pins. Roman reigns to win the match,
and we are more Brock versus Roman. But that's the
end of the show here because Brock Lesner and Samoa

(47:40):
Joe and Braun and Roman kill each other at Wrestling
Am Summer Slam that is it's just funny because every
time we do a Summer Slam. The year before Roman
and Russe didn't have a mask You're supposed.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
To happen, and I didn't get to see my favorite And.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Then before that Summer Slam it was Roman and Dean
Ambros versus Bray why and Louke carp It's like, and
then the year before that it was Roman versus Rainie Yorton.
Roman has a very random SummerSlam matches In a few
years though, it's gonna be like, oh, he's in the
world title every time because that's where he belongs. This time,
like we're like, we're not really sure what to do

(48:15):
with you. Do you want to be a US champion again?
Maybe a tag team champion, Like, we don't really know
what to do with you.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It's really funny though, because this year that we just discussed,
it's like a very random year for Roman. He wasn't
really in the world title picture here until the end
of it. But this year has a lot of rewashed
value matches. That Ambulance match, that SummerSlam match, even the
Royal rombul match with Kevin Owens. Like there's so many
good matches here that you could go back and rewatch
and they're just the age.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Well that's true too, and I'm glad we discovered that
Kevin Owens is actually Roman Rains' top rival versus the
internet obsession with brock Lesnar.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
One thousand percent is Kevin Owens. But you know, I'm
so glad you're here to win my Romanranes therapist if
because when I make these points, people tell me I'm delusional.
I'm not. I'm making good boys to me.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Well, now I can see why the people are questioning you,
because yeah, dog's name after Rumano, you got a wrestling buddy.
You gotta standing behind you.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I can't every once in a while, and I
feel like once you start covering and analyzing and doing
it right. On my streams, I like to watch my
shows as me, We're gonna watch and have fun, right.
But when I'm talking wrestling with other people like you
and all that, I like to just point out things
that not everybody mentions in a way that can create
discourse and conversation, right. And I feel like a lot

(49:37):
of times people don't put the two separate versions. Yeah,
because on my streams, I'm just drinking and having fun.
We're watching wrestling. It's a party, right. So yeah, I'm
talking crap. But I like to think that I've been
doing this song at all. I can have conversations that
just bring a valid debate, and if you find somebody
to listen to your open mind, that it really is
a full discourse. To discuss.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, but I think it's funny. You rattled off those
mad that are worth watching, Well, don't go watch them
and Rains versus Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
No, please don't. I've never gone. I never rewatched it.
So funny because like recently, somebody on my channel asked
me to do what to rank Roman Ring's main events,
because you know, he just did his number ten the
most of anybody ever, and I just I can't do
it yet because I know that I have to rewatch
something that I haven't watching so long. It will be
unfair to rap them out of what's on my head now.

(50:24):
And I definitely don't want to watch thirty two or
thirty three back. No, we're thirty four because the crowd
ruined it.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
But anyways, the biggest part of that show, yeah, yeah,
that's the next show. This one, though, really highlights that.
Now Roman rains this is my yard, but yet they
don't clearly Vince like wants Roomen to be something, but
he doesn't know what he wants them to be yet.
Because we've had him as the main babyface taking down
the League of Nations, fighting Vince fighting the authority. We

(50:53):
have seen this Roman, but this Roman in twenty sixteen
to twenty seventeen. It just feels like he has no identity.
He's just he's just Roman Reigns. Like if someone had
to describe who you are, I don't know. He's just
a big, tough mustley guy who that I got nothing.
That's all I could think about to define him at
this point right now.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
A lot of miss opportunities or hitting the button too
late with Roman because I tell you that he'll turn
should have happened after that Undertaker match and after that
reaction that the crowd had and they didn't really go
through with it.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
That's true. Well, thank you so much everyone for being
here on the History of Wrestling Channel talking about Roman Reigns.
Will tune in next week because next week we'll get
a little deeper and dive into twenty seventeen to twenty
eighteen Summer Slim to Summer Slam, so you have time
to go back and watch some of those matches. But
Ambulance Match, Fatal Forward from Summer Slam, and Kevin Owens,
like you said, are probably the go back and rewatch

(51:48):
Extreme Rules twenty seventeen. Burn it if you find it,
burn it, but google Great Balls of Fire because that's
fun joke of posts there. Well, I'm seeing she half
a wonderful day and we'll see you next time. Bye bye.

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Speaker 3 (52:16):
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