WWE Survivor Series 1990: Undertaker and Gobbledy Gooker Debut - Sean Mooney Tells All

From the shocking arrival of The Deadman, managed by Brother Love, to the bizarre (and hilarious) moment fans witnessed the giant egg crack open, Sean shares his first-hand reflections on how it all went down backstage, what WWE expected, and the live crowd’s unforgettable reaction. This is more than just a recap, it’s a deep dive into one of WWE’s most talked-about Survivor Series moments, giving fans a nostalgic look at how these legendary storylines were born.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a prime time with Sean Mooney production.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Wrestling fans and Siice Foe Welcome to ye. I was
waiting for you to interrupt me. I got John Mooney me.
It's a golden era podcast. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm doing great and about to get better as we
talk about Survivors series. This may have been an all
time record for Vince's throat gravel when he does the
intro to all of this, although I'm sure he outdid himself,
but this was a pretty good one.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Those are my favorite Vince McMahon, Roy Rumble and Survivor
series only get that treatment.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Some some other voiceover work with Vince, but this is
a great one.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
What the Adams ah? That's very yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, and in the very end of it, I remember
Survivor Server, it went on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, a classic vincism.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's why, like years later when you'd see other people
do impressions and they wouldn't do that voice. They would
always do like a whirl. I don't know aboutout Powell
to me, I don't care about that voice. I love
the voiceover Vince McMahon.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
What I'm on over?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I don't care about the real Vince McMahon, I'm sorry.
I just don't want I want you to be raspy
and I want you to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh I hated it back then. I hated it. I
just thought, what are you doing? It's so over the top.
Now I love it when I hear it now, it
just takes me back just I could just keep hearing
it over and over again because it's so funny. It's great,
it's classic and Nixcel Vince knew how to do it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Of course, he was the man in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Here we are Thanksgiving though Forst Fiversaries nineteen ninety in Hertford, Conneticut.
So where are you living at this point in time?
Are you living in Hertford, Connecticut?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
No, we're in Stanford. That's where our headquarters. Where do
you live? I lived in Norwalk, which was just outside
of Stamford, so it was, you know, not even a
ten minute ride to Hamilton where the studios were. But
this was great because it was basically a day trip.
Uh and you know, just to drive basically you're giving

(02:28):
up your Thanksgiving. But they always took really good care
of us with the catering. You know that they had
a really good meal usually for these so and it
just became part of your life that that's what you
were going to be doing. It's nice to see now though,
that you know they'll do it on the eve or
something like that to give everybody a break. It's not
like the way because but yeah, this was this was

(02:50):
a This was a fun one because it was basically,
you know, in our backyard in a sense.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I know, I wonder like the past two years, I
think it was in like the Rosemont Horizon, so now
or Chicago and now here we are on Kennicut. Like
does vincig men, if you know have a favorite holiday?
Is it Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
What is his?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Because he works in all of them?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well, I would I think that how could Thanksgiving not
be everybody's favorite holiday? What do you think about? Right? No, presence,
your job for the day is to eat yourself beyond
belief and then find a cout somewhere, loosen the pants
and watch football.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I mean Lost Virus series nineteen ninety So this is I.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Don't think I think Vince ever looked at any kind
of holiday or something was an opportunity to make money.
But I think that Thanksgiving probably was his favorite because
he made a lot of money on that day many
on many occasions, and this one was one of them.
I think it was one of the highest pay per

(03:57):
views at the time for for them. And so you know,
Thanksgiving I'm sure was a favorite holiday of Vince McMahon's
that year for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
And this Savivor Series nineteen ninety has three things I
always loved about the Savivor series. By the way, spoiler alert,
this is my favorite svavorseries. So I will be gushing
for the next hour over it. Anything you say, and
you say anything negative, I'll say you're wrong. Moodey, just
want to clarify that right now.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Don't know what you're talking about. I don't care if
you were there, Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
If you work for the company and you have pay
steps to prove it, I don't give it. It's the
best thing ever. We have the Gooker, we have Undertaker,
and we have the Grand Finale, and these three things
to me make this one of the greatest Survivor series,
good or bad, however you look at it. I want
to talk about the Grand Finale first because the previous
Survivor series matches you won five on five strive to

(04:49):
survive matches and that was it. You won, That was
it Roy Rumble. You would win, Roy Rumble, You'd get nothing.
As years would go on, Roll Rumble would get a
world title shot. It is Somers series. Winners of these
matches go into an all star series I guess at
the end, and they fund each other. Good guys versus
bad guys win their matches head into the finale. I

(05:10):
love that concept. Why do you think it never continued
after this?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know, And I wish I could disagree with
you more about this event, but I really did think
it was It was pretty awesome because first of all,
when you look at that, you know the lineup of guys,
and they had quite a roster back then. But I
love the fact that some of the guys are kind
of mid Carter's got a big stage that day, people

(05:38):
like the model, Rick Martel, Tito Santana, Hercules, Paul Roma,
you know. So I really really loved that because it
gave them a chance to shine and you never knew
what was going to happen from that from their performances.
So yeah, I do. I have to agree with you too,
and I think and the matches I thought were very

(05:58):
good as well. I'm not and we've talked before, I'm
not a huge fan of these, uh you know, of
these mass matches when you're putting a bunch of people
into a ring and going back and forth and that thing.
But I really did enjoy this one because, like I said,
I like the teams. I thought that the writing for
it worked pretty well. I mean you talk about that

(06:21):
big finale, Well, look who they had in it. You know,
they had one whole team basically that got there, you know,
like who that was kind of a swerve and the
guys that were part of that, that were in the Warlord,
and you know, you like all these guys that you know,
have these opportunities to be uh you know, part of
the main event really when it all came down to it.

(06:42):
So I did. I really I enjoyed it as well.
I wish I could wish I could disagree with you
more on that one. See, but I'm sure i'll find
something that's good lot today. So we'll we'll see how
that goes.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Okay, possibly you might find it. But yeah, the grand Finale,
this is the one time they ever do it. And
you're right about that because in the end, when you
think about it, spoil alert folks, you have a Warrior
and Hote Cogan on the same side. Now they do
team up in Summer Slam ninety one, but that is
very far from this point. We They just wrestled at
WrestleMania against each other for the world title. A million

(07:13):
La man even points this out in the promo before
this matchup, and to me as a storyline point, You're like,
holy shit, can Warren Hogan get along together? They just
wrestled at the biggest stage of them all. Tito Santana's
also on their team, rubbing shoulders. When would you ever
see Tito Santana with Warrior or Hate Cogan besides fighting

(07:33):
them in Royal Rumble Sour Bivra series is the only
place that can happen.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, And I think it was a little bit of
of the appreciation day. I think that Vince may have
been feeling sentimental. I don't know with the writing team
for that one, but it was kind of a you know,
a way to say to these guys, hey, we if
we do appreciate what you do, I think, and people
like Tito Santana was just this great hand who could

(08:00):
do it all and never you know, just kept his
head down, did his business, delivered in the ring, do
pretty much whatever you asked him to do. If you
needed him to put somebody over, he would do it.
And you know other guys like Hercules too, and and
so I I just just felt like it was it
was a really okay, let's say it. It was like

(08:21):
a family event that day, uh, and and all the
family was together and let's give everybody some props here.
So and then you talk about Warrior and and and
the Hulkster in the ring, and it didn't have to
come down to that. There's got to be one winner.
The two of the guys, you know, they finish it
up and it's the two of them. And everybody got

(08:42):
what you wanted, the Halt, the Maniacs and the Warriors
and everybody. Uh, you know, when it was all said
and done, uh they were they were in the ring
together and uh so overall it was just one of
those great feeling events. When it was over. Do you
think anybody was going, oh, why didn't they do this?
You know, with the exception of the Giant egg, I

(09:05):
think that everybody felt that they you know, they just
got they It was non stop for all of those
those matches.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, and again you see this here because Hogan and Warrior.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
As Hogan's trying to open the rope for a Warrior,
Warrior opens the rope for Hogan.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
They go out together.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now they're not posing in the ring together on the
outside of the apron holding hands posing. And you're right
because the build up to them fighting at Russemanue six
was them bumping into each other at Roar Rebel nineteen ninety,
which then sets up miscommunication. There is no spots of
miscommunication in here. It's we're two good guys, we gotta
fight the Million Dollar Man and the entire Visionary team

(09:45):
Rick marked out, Warlord, Paul Roma and Hercules, like, we
got to get our shit together because we got It's
the odd numbers are there. I would have loved to
have seen, like somehow we have to have Hogan team
up with Million Dollar Man against Warrior and with Rick Motel,
like all these talents not wanting to work together because
it's pretty obvious. You put the good guys on one
side and bad guys another. That's easy to do ninety.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Five Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
If no one knows they did try to pull this
off having bad guys team up with good guys.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's called the wild Card match.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
And that's why I love the Grand Finale, because the
Grand Finale gives you something that no other Survivor series
has and it's like the ultimate all Star match. So
you know, I love it, and I just wanted to know,
why do you think they ever brought up back? Because
it then makes people come back out and work twice
maybe or I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
No, I've it's it's not like these these matches were
really really difficult, because you know, when you have that many,
you're you're getting a lot of breaks, you going in
and out, and yeah, so it was it a matter
of fatigue. But I think that is a really good
question because I really felt that it worked so well

(10:57):
and maybe it didn't have to happen the next next year,
but I'm you know, pull it out again some other time.
But I think that you had the personalities for it
to all work. You know, the two rising the Rising
Star that you know, the Ultimate Warrior of course was
very popular at that time, and then you have the
Hulkster and the both of them together and you've got

(11:22):
Ted Dibiassi who was just such a great worker and uh,
you know him going at it with with Hulk. He
made Hulk look great. So it just the whole combination.
So maybe it was just because of the personalities they
had to work with there and what they could do
with it. When when all that started to you know,

(11:43):
that dynamic changed between with the Warrior and Hulkster and
the issues with the Warrior, and it's just the timing
of it wouldn't wouldn't have worked again. So you know,
maybe it was just it was a one time thing.
But you can't take anything away from it, because it
really did. I thought overall, the whole the whole Survivor
series worked out just tremendously well, and I know that

(12:06):
everybody was really pleased when it was over. I think
a lot of the discussion was the reaction to the
Gobblet Gooker, but other than that, it was it was
a great event, and as you said before we started
recording it, you know that we're still talking about it,
so it it certainly is a piece of w w

(12:30):
A history, and it's it's not always famous. Sometimes it's infamous, of.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Course, Yeah, some moments, folks. Sometimes we love matches.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Sometimes you love moments, and I did love before we
move on to the Gookur though I do like what
you said. It was you have personalities like Hogan Warrior.
Hogan didn't start off the night. Warrior started off the night.
Hogan is the middle of the night. So how do
you have a match at the end that doesn't piss
off Warrior as world champion? Because SummerSlam we had a
double main event for the first time to Appeace's returning

(13:00):
Holk Cogan and Warriors champion. This time around, we're appeasing
both men again. We're gonna create a grand finale match
where you both get to win, you both get to pose,
you're both the last people seen on television. Please, no
one get angry like maybe the matter was treated because
personalities couldn't get along to understand who'd be the main event,
who wouldn't be the main event.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's my thoughts. Well, no matter what drama may have
been involved in that, but it was a win win
when it comes right down to it, And you know
whether or not either one was happy not getting the
soul lie you know, limelight that day, But as far

(13:40):
as getting the best of both worlds, I think is
the best way to put it. And as I said,
how could you not be happy that day? Whether you know?
And the lines were drawn pretty you know, there was
a very thick line there between you know, Hulk of
Maniacs and the Warriors. There really were you were one
or the other, and I know you were and uh

(14:00):
and everybody I've ever talked to you, there weren't people
that were uh you know, rarely that they they couldn't
make up their minds like who's my guy? You know?
And and so. But everybody everybody got something that day.
Yes I got it, Steve, you know that are you
going to break out the wrestling?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
He's up there, the wrestling buddy.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, wrestling buddy. Uh yeah, See say he just does this.
He goes off. He can't, he can't help it. He
goes back to being nine years old again.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Mooney, Okay, you're talking about being nine years old.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So cozy. Look how cozy he looks to see how
you know, it's just look transformed? What are you now?
Are you eleven twelve?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
What are your business?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
How old? I am? Shut up? Mooney?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Someone asked you the day how They're like, how old
are you? You look so young? And I said, that's
all he needs to tell me. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, nice check and the kind of thing I agree with.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah. So that's know, that's what I I really, That's
why I remember writing back and saying, you know, that
was everybody got something today. Besides that, you know when
when they made up the turkey feast there and they
had the drumstick over there and the mashed potatoes, and
you know, they got it all there, and then they've
got the you know, they on the same plate. They
got the Warrior and they got the Halkster, and you

(15:20):
know what, it tasted pretty damn good. Yeah, give me
some more of that and I will tell you I
take it again next Thanksgiving. Just it wasn't gonna work
out that way.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think my mom would make turkey and ham on Thanksgiving.
It's like, oh my god, turkey and ham. Yes, Jesus God.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's what the turkey and And that's a good metaphor.
I mean turkey, you know, and you could decide who
you thought was what. There was a ham out there
and there was a turkey.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
So, oh god, what's in that coffee? I don't know
it Irish.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Coffee there tipping the the jamisons this morning that I got.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, Roddy Piper on commentary, by the way, boy, we'll.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Talk about him later, but I won't talk about the
I guess you call this your favorite piece of the
pie on Thanksgiving, it's the gobbly gooker because this thing
has been brought up forever and ever and ever. And
if you were to describe what the gobbly gooker is,
what would you say? The gobbly gooker is supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Is he not supposed to be a turkey? Is he
a turkey?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
What is he is a turkey? It's a very skuay bird.
I mean that was a very not well fed turkey. Uh,
you know you think of turkeys to be, you know, plump, plump.
But Hector Guerrero, who who was the got the that assignment,
my god, to this day, as you said, we're still

(16:51):
talking about it. But you know, when when people got
an opportunity, you we're going to take it. And Bruce
Pritchard swears to this day that there was no there
was no grand plan behind this, this whole concept that
Vince basically wanted and I remember the discussions that they

(17:15):
wanted a mascot kind of a thing that you know,
because they the success of the San Diego Chicken and
other these mascots that were out there that would you know,
get crowds fired up. Then the Philly fanatic was certainly
comes to mind. Uh. And they were very very successful

(17:36):
at being identified as part of a team and also
being able to entertain crowds. And why they couldn't have
come up with something I don't know if anything would
have worked at wrestling, because people would have crapped all
over it no matter what you did. But and because

(17:58):
maybe because of the Survivor series and Thanksgiving and right
as Bruce Wood says, you know that Vince loved it,
never ever could be persuaded to anybody tell him like, yeah,
I don't know about this boss. Uh. And it was
full steam ahead. Uh. And I actually this morning watched that,

(18:21):
just the segment, the the unveiling, the cracking of the egg,
the hatching. Uh. And I even I remember then thinking
like thank God that I didn't get that assignment to
go out there that Gene got. I did the the
beginning of it where you see the egg behind me,
and I do the whole intro to what what was coming.

(18:43):
But thank god I didn't have to be there for
the hatching, because I remember watching and just like h cringe.
I just felt so bad for Gene and he you know,
and he's so good at just ad libbing and doing
the stuff and uh making the puns that he was making.

(19:04):
And then uh uh, I think I hear something, you know,
and the eggs cracking. And this is after poor Hector
Guerrero had been in that egg. Now remember they wheeled
this thing out because they wanted people to see it
even as they were coming into the arena, and he
had to sit in that thing for hours. Uh, just

(19:25):
sit in they I guess it was hot. And not
only that the costume was hot. No, there's no air
circulation that you know, we didn't have like at e
in there by the time that thing got opened. Okay,
but yeah, but just the whole thing just from the
second day it comes out of there and Jeane trying

(19:46):
to play it up. And I've done this before too,
where you know, where you've you've done interviews with some
uh a person who can't you know that I like
mascots and stuff where they don't talk, and you've got
to say you know, so you know, what do you
think about the way this happened today? You know what what?

(20:07):
Because they kid whatever, you know, and just like uh
and uh, Guerrero had this gymnastics background. He was an
instructor or something that was like he had this this background,
and I think initially they thought, well, look he can
do all these great things. Well, the costume and if

(20:28):
you remember what he was wearing on his feet, these
yellow supposed to be law things and so they weren't
very easy to move around. And so the all that
he could really do, I think he did a flip
into the ring over the ropes and then he could
roll and then and then you see and they and
for some reason they go, we're going to have Jeane

(20:49):
dance with him, which was just another more And I
remember Gene tried to do a cartwheel or something and
he was not real Yeah, he wasn't real athletic, and
he just got kind of like folded up. It's like
on his knees where the cooker like comes up like
comes over to help him up. And it was just

(21:13):
and Stephen and you had to have been there, I
mean you could probably just from hearing it, you know,
over the pay per view over your in your television,
but being there and just the reaction from the crowd.
And I'm sure I think this would have happened anyway,

(21:34):
but it was the fact that we sold that son
of a Bitch for I mean we that weeks that
it was just gonna be this gigantic thing, and it
was just I think it was just because it was
such a letdown, and the speculation that went on, I mean, Mark.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Dinosaur a dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Dinosaur is andre because it's a giant egg? Is it
going to be Bundy coming back?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Was one rumor too at the time, I mean all.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Over the place. And they loved it. They loved the
fact that people were because it was it was buzz
And I'm thinking, oh, I don't, I don't. Yeah, if
maybe if you got the payoff, good Otherwise this could
work really badly for you, because when it's just want
wah wah, when it comes out, that's not good. And

(22:25):
I know that you probably heard the story too that
too that uh, you know, even Mark Callaway, who was
set to debut as the Undertaker, had heard about this
thing and thought like, oh my god, that's gonna be
me and I'm gonna be the Eggman because I mean,

(22:46):
and as crazy as that sounds, but think back of
all the crazy gimmicks that they were doing at the time.
They would throw stuff out there to see what would happen,
and you know, uh you can see it coming. Uh
that that if they really thought that that was going
to be, you know, something they could work with. I

(23:07):
mean people were talking about, well maybe he's this mascot
who's a heel and runs out and does things to
the matches, and you're just like, no, no, no, no,
one off, one off, Like, if you're going to do this,
does do it? Get it over with? But I like
that wasn't that wasn't huh.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I like the I but yeah, well that turkey is stupid.
It's just dumb mask. Sure why not and it's got to.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Work too, and that, uh, the costume just didn't where.
I mean, like you think about the San Diego Chicken,
the San Diego Chicken and by the way, fun fact here,
I worked with the San Diego Chicken. You know Ted
TEDI Nilis I think is his last name. And uh,
because in my early days when I worked with Major
League Baseball and did the Baseball Bunch, we did a

(23:56):
whole show. And he was one of the funniest humans
I've ever met and and animated. And the reason I
bring that up is that you have to be able
to pull that stuff off. He could do with this
costume with just his expressions, and he would take his
beak and do kinds of you know, funny expressions. He'd
come up and he put his he'd bite somebody's head

(24:16):
and you know what, and he just funny the stuff
that worked. What were they going to do with that?
And poor Hector he may have been a skilled at gymnastics,
but that stuff about doing panama or you know, the
panami and doing all that, that wasn't his thing. So
that wasn't gonna work. It wasn't the Philly fanatic either.

(24:38):
It wasn't just wasn't going to happen. And so if
you're gonna do something, you'd have to find somebody that did,
you know, like maybe hire a guy I had worked
for Major League Baseball as a mascot and was successful.
You know, I don't know, but this was not it.
And uh, it just couldn't get over fast enough, was
my feeling. And as I said, if you were in

(24:59):
that arena and just heard the reaction, it was just this, Oh, like,
are you kidding? If you were going to sum up
what that was, that was just are you this is this?
Is it? This is what you you were promising us
for weeks? Yeah, couldn't get them out of that arena

(25:20):
fast enough for you know, and and it just went
from there as far as uh and and remains one
of the worst gimmicks ever. I think that that's right
up there. That's the mount rushmore of awful, awful gimmicks.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Oh yes, So do you remember exactly where you were?
Because you were you were doing a lot last night,
you do at the back interviews, you know, you're doing
intros and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Do you remember where you were or standing next to someone?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I know it's forever ago, Like, do you remember where
you were sitting there washing the monitoring going oh, well,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I always yeah, But when there was something that that
I wanted to see reaction wise, I would go out,
you know by the grilla position to go out and
then they have the curtains there and I would step
out and just kind of and because I wanted to
see I want I wanted to be proven wrong or
you know, maybe it was going to be completely different
than what I thought. Maybe it's gonna pop. And so

(26:13):
I went out. Yeah, I was out around by that curtain.
I was you know, I didn't have an interview to
do right away or whatever, so I wanted to be there.
But like I said, I thought, oh God, did I
feel for Geene. I even watching it back again, I
just remember honestly saying that God that I didn't get
that assignment. I I just and and Jean did the

(26:37):
best he could with it. There's nobody else on earth
who could have done more to try and put that
thing over, but it was and I and I remember
Gene coming back there and just say, you know, I
won't use the exact expletives that he used, but it
was basically saying, well, you know, like that went. That
went well as all you mean to do, you know,

(27:02):
but you know, the he knew it. I knew it.
Every everybody knew it, and it was just kind of
like and I just remember like the people around the
gorilla position, it was just kind of like like looking
at each other, you know, and it's loved it.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
It was like I was good guard.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
H yeah, because they shoot a few vignettes after this
with a goker. So he's with the Bushwhackers doing some stuff.
But in reality, in my head, if you're going to
create a mask off for the WWF at the time
a turkey matches Thanksgiving theme Survivor series, yes, yes it does,
of course, But if you want this thing to continue on,
who the hell wants to take pictures with a giant

(27:45):
mascot turkey, say in February or July, Like that doesn't
add up in my brain like great.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Idea for a mascot, terrible execution for a mascot.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
And if I'm correct, didn't Jeane catch his foot in
the bottom rope and I don't know if he broke
it rooms but he was. He got hurt because he
is not a bump taker and he fell on his
face hard.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah it was. I don't think he broke, but
I think he Yeah, he definitely uh and yeah, I'd
say he wasn't. He wasn't that old then. It's just
that he wasn't real athletic. It wasn't like you saw
Jean in the in the gym at the hotel. Everyone
he was he was. It was from the late he

(28:27):
was maybe getting home from after or getting back to
the room after a fun nights because uh yeah he wasn't.
Yeah that's that. Those are other stories to be told someday.
But uh yeah he and and uh, like you said,
when he tried to he tries to do that cartwheel,
I don't know what it was. You go back and look.

(28:49):
I don't know where it was. He hurt himself, but
I think that that didn't feel good either. You know,
you see him, he's like on his knees. Get up.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You've a guy in a turkey costume helping you up.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
You know. You well, it was like what was it
supposed to be? Like a hoe down?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Do they do?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Like?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, and they play music and yeah, but Piper think
about putting it over though Piper, Piper loves that ship.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh well yeah, and uh, you know, he was doing
his job. He was doing the best. But you know,
but you think about what could be uh and I'd
like to see the comments down on this one. But
you know what could have been the mascot for the
w W F Uh. I don't know, I mean, uh,

(29:43):
you know, maybe uh if Hornswaggle was around, then he
could have pulled it off. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But I'm thinking skinny guy now like me, younger, he's
got he's wearing like a singlet, but it's really loose.
And so he's training to be a superstar. So he's
always in the crew doing weird poses and and like stretching.
That's how I imagine.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
But Mark, we can just call him the Mark.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
His name is Mark Mark, Marky bunch?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
All right? But see why why did I think of that?
Then I can just see the look? Did you see
a look on Vince's face? So I told him, Look,
get this guy and he's a super fan, but he
wants to be a wrestler, and he's going around and
he's just but you see him, he's just you know,
ninety pounds plus. We'll call him Mark the Mark.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Good god, No, Moody, you've done it again. Sorry Moody.
We're gonna do a giant turkey.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Sorry no, no, we got a better idea goto and.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like I guess, yeah, yeah, exactly, Moody, go do your job.
Come on, get out here. We we're the idea.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
You you hold that stick? Okay, buddy, we got a
giant turkey. Who's gonna go?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
What's your name?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Mister me?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
And Gene Oakland suddenly speaks, Googer, this new creature we've
never seen before.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, that probably Googar. What are you doing now? Yeah?
I don't know what, but what would have appeased people inside? Really?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
In reality if it wasn't a mascot and I know
Rick Flair thing didn't happen, like, what would have appeased
the audience? It like Ore and the Giant because guy,
I remember me and Jeans like, is there a dinosaur?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
A bunch of balloons?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Miss America the I think he said cheerleaders like the
Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. First off, Jean, I don't think they
could all fit in that egg. But so what would
have appeased the audience?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
You think, what if I don't could have that?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Absolutely nothing really honestly think about it. You just named
all that off. Would they Andre comes out of there?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
What people like, Yeah, he's waving that I guess he's waving.
Then that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
But yeah, yeah, it's it's right along those lines of
the of the hand, remember the whole Mark Henry and
uh you know like like oh my, like what about that?
And then has a baby. You're like, what.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Came back to hand.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
There's nothing. There's there really, there was nothing that they
could have done, and thank god they didn't go with
something like that. Can you imagine if that was the
debut of Mark Callaway It's egg Man or something like that.
What is thinking is gimmick be you know, he throws
an egg at the guy and he's done it cracks
an egg on his head when he's done, or I

(32:29):
don't know, I love it. The puns could have been endless,
see it, you know, the chicken wing and all. I mean,
oh my god, I just could have been endless. Right
where were you?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
But why why didn't you help out? Vince? Then we
could have had the Eggman's undertaker.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well after my Mark the Mark, I figured, you know,
comunium the back up. Yeah, And it's one of those
things you just if you don't bring trouble, how is
it going to find you? It's kind of was my philosophy,
do your business, skate your lane, as they say. But

(33:05):
fortunately they didn't decide to make Mark Callaway egg Man
and instead decided to come up with the best gimmick
that would ever ever exist in uh in w w
E history.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And joked there by the way exist.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
They're just so rich. You can't you can't, you can't
get past it. Exactly exactly what you said there, exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, let's move on them, because yes, the debut off.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
And don't and don't e don't exaggerate.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
At Irish coffee, that Irish carfee. Moving on though, h yeah,
past the bottle. Who needs that coffee? And it feels
like it's empty. My grandfather used to say, I get
my water from my liquor, but actually lives like one.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Hundred and one.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
It's in there.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, you know, one hundred and one years old man,
So he did it. He lived a life spokus their
ground since he was eleven. Yeah, see he did it.
His body was used to taking in toxins. But Undertaker,
he's the dead man. It's the debut, but reality, why
is Undertaker making his debut here? He's not originally on
Million Dollar Man's team. Bad News Brown is originally on

(34:18):
his team. It's supposed to be Dusty Rhodes not wearing
yellow polka dots, Coco Beware in the Heart Foundation taking
on Million Dollar Man Rhythm and blues.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
That's right, great to have him.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Valentine as Honkey month Man two point zero, bad News
Brown is supposed to be here now, bad news better.
Over the years, when he would do interviews after this,
would say he was promised to be the first black
you know, world champion in the WWFWE.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's what he says. Did you ever hear of that
discussion being brought up backstage?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
No? I never did, But I won't say that it
wasn't a discussion or that he was told that. I uh,
and maybe at some point Vince thought that that would be,
you know, a great way to go, a great direction
to go. But as we've seen many many times, and

(35:15):
there's a lot of guys been promised things or told
things in the in the company that when it all
comes down to do it, no change of plans. And
so I don't doubt that that that problem might have
been a discussion with good with bad News. But and
I think that you know, who knows that would have
been why not why not put the strap on him?

(35:36):
It didn't have to be for long and would have
been great for the company and a great push for
for bad News. But there were other things that went
on as well, So things change, and uh, he had
every and he can't fault him for saying Okay, if

(35:57):
you're not doing that, then I'm out. And it's too bad,
because man, he man could bring the heat, Oh that's
for sure. And he was a great worker, man brutal.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I loved Bad News Brown and last time we saw
him on paper of view at least and the WF
was a sewer rat match where it was Jake versus
Bad News Brown summer nineteen ninety with the possum the
plossom that was abused twenty five times in a different interview.
Take that you and Bad News Brown did promote that match,
So rest in peace, uh to you, Blossom, because you

(36:32):
weren't here to see Bad News brown s Faber series
nineteen ninety. Now, I think what happens a lot of times,
because I've heard this over the years, of someone's being
told they're promised something. Now, what I think they're hearing
is Vince mc man's in a meeting with someone and
he's like, hey, I have this idea. I could see
you as world champion, my first black world champion.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I can see this.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
What they hear the wrestler is, oh my god, He's
gonna make me world champion. And I think that's where
all these conversations lie in people's brains. You hear what
you want to hear. You're not hearing the full story.
And I don't know if that's true or not, but
I hear so many stories about wrestler's promise to be
world titled or win this or win that, and they don't.

(37:16):
Do you think that's a common thread of people aren't
hearing the entire sentence being told to them.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, but also it's the nature of the business and uh,
you know, Vince needed to motivate people to want to
work for him, and uh, you know, he would tell
them they'd come in and uh, you know at the time,
there weren't these there, they weren't the solid contracts, they
didn't have guaranteed contracts. So what he would tell these guys,
you know, well, I can't tell you exactly what you're

(37:43):
gonna make, but you know, compared to you know this
is I know that these guys are making this much,
and uh, you know the uh, we're gonna put you
out there. You're gonna be in these eight A shows
that we've got around the country, so uh, you can
pretty much be thinking you're going to make this much.
And that was you know, that was a big bone

(38:05):
of contention for H L O D. Because they were
making uh, you know, half a million dollars each. I
think at the point when they came in and and
Vince convinced them that they were going to make even
more than that, and they would you know at some
points that they weren't even making it close. So you know,

(38:25):
they had legit beef. But you know that, I'm My
point of saying here is that that went on all
the time. You had to motivate people and you could
hint and I like you said, maybe I could see
you or I we use the right word. We could
definitely put you in the mix here for this. Yeah,

(38:47):
and so he you know that that's what he needed
to do to convince these guys to want to come
and work for him. Worked out very well for many
many of them that they did make more money than
they'd ever made in their life and beyond and catapulted
them into the upper stratosphere of professional wrestling. But there

(39:10):
are others that didn't. And so you're gonna have people
that were disgruntled, and that that would include Rick Rude
and uh Jaquem ends up leaving because I mean he
claims that he was it was almost cost costing him
money to work for the company that he wasn't making
that kind of that kind of money, so and and

(39:33):
whatever for whatever reasons. Maybe they're they injury, they're missing
house shows. Uh. You know, there was a lot of
factors that were involved, but to them, it's just bottom
line and if you're if you're not in the ring,
you're not earning. That's kind of that's how that whole
payscale worked back then, that if you didn't perform, you

(39:55):
didn't get a piece of the gate. Uh. So that's
that made it tough for these guys. Once it kept working,
made a lot of money. So you know, it's gonna happen.
But there are just as many and I think there
were fewer that were disgruntled over their pay. But it

(40:17):
was certainly that it wasn't like it didn't happen. Uh.
And they had every right in the world. So you
know what, I'm not gonna do this and I can
go and then go someplace else. It's gonna pay me
more money. Well, see ya. And that's what was going on.
And there were a few right that were involved in
that event. True.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
True, I think the bad News Brown.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Thing too is that you leave, you get money up front,
you get the money you want, but longevity wise, you're
not going to make the money you're making the whole time.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Like some people are willing to like stick out the shit,
you know, eat that shit and enjoy the taste of
it and then maybe you'll get your world tele shot
or not.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
But either way, bad News Brown is out.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Undertaker is in and he's a mystery partner and when
they introduce him on the actual broadcast, he's called Kine
the Undertaker, and Whi's crazy about that? Because years later
later Taker would have a half brothers named Kane, his
brother who have a brother Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Which they pulled great? Did they pull that off? That people,
honest to God, thought that they were real life brothers.
What he's trying to say that brother Kane and Undertaker.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Wrestling Buddy my comfor I need my comfort wrestling, Buddy.
You're freaking me out over here. How you telling me
that wasn't a sewer rat, that was a possum other
you're joking?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
This has been rough on you, Steve. I don't know
if I have to if I should start you know,
continue to do to tell you these things? Is I know,
emotionally it's very it's tough on you. And when we
get done and now you I know, you're kind of
curl up in a ball there at your little studio there,
so you know, maybe we get you a little red
flag or something. And when I feel it coming on

(42:04):
like I'm going too far, like I'm full of back,
and then I'm like, okay, let's pull back a little. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Next thing you're telling me Ian, you know, Mooney, is
not you pretending you know, you pretending to be your
evil Uh whatever, I'm gonna move on though, And there
there was no Betty.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Sorry, all right, let's go just keep going.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
What okay, I'm don't take he who's actually a really
dead person, who's who got hired to make money as
a wrestler, is here with Brother Love now, Bruce Pritchard says,
before we get into the hold and take your character,
Bruce Pritchard says, he's the one who created the Undertaker
character for Mark Callaway. It's not to take your character
was already created and then they found someone for it.

(42:46):
They made that character for him, Brother Love all about
love and I don't take He's supposed to be about
the darkness. Like to me as a fan, that combo
never made sense to me because I was introduce to
take her with Paul Baer, so I was introduced to him,
So seeing for the Love really doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
What was your thoughts on that pairing.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, let's remember this is his debut, things are going
to change, and uh there was a personal connection between
Mark and Bruce where you know, Bruce was very instrumental
in bringing Mark in and I have no doubt in
my mind that he also had a lot to do

(43:31):
with that character and the gimmick and uh, you know,
and making it happen. And uh so I think you
know that that Vince thought, you know this, give him
a little let him, you know, let it basically letting
Bruce introduce this guy, uh too. And he was part
of the show with with Brother Love and he's an

(43:55):
evil character. So there's no to me, there was no
real stretch to say, like why would Brother Love be
with the Undertaker? Who's that wasn't I think it was
you know, it was a chance to to introduce him,
push him, put him over a little bit, bring having
Brother Love bringing him out as his so called manager.

(44:17):
But yeah, the the the Paul Bear of course was
what made that that that duo tremendous. But like I said,
remember this was his his debut and it was just
really to get him out there. You know. Thence I
think thinking that Bruce had a lot to do with this,
and I'm going to let him introduce this character. I

(44:41):
don't think that they thought it was going to be
a long lived thing, that that they were going to
have Bruce be his manager for an extended period of
time and so and I don't know if at the
time they'd already lined up that we're going to have
Paul Bear be a part of it. But as we've

(45:02):
seen from history that the way it worked out with
the two of them, and he was perfect. He was
perfect for that role and allowed you know, Mark to
remain this dark mute basically for a very long time
before he you know, we started hearing him, and we

(45:23):
we've said before, it's so funny that one of the
wrestlers who said the fewest words in history, like I
can't stop talking now, and it's great because you know,
he reminds me and I go back to my baseball roots.
But I remember Steve Carlton was, you know, a picture
with Philadelphia and other teams, teams, but but he was well,

(45:47):
he was well known to be this surly you know,
never never want you know, you'd ask him a question
in the locker room and say, you know, well, what
did you do, uh something in about the game, and
he would just say yes or no, you know, not
elaborate and and and was particularly nasty to the media.
And then when he retired, he became this commentary and

(46:10):
did all this, you know, and just get with the
greatest nicest guy in the world. And I always thought, like,
was that a gimmick? You know? I always thought that that,
you know, because it added to his his mystique that
he was this nasty guy and all he cared about
was you know, It's like Randy Johnson was kind of
the same deal. So I felt like in the sense

(46:31):
that the Undertaker had kind of borrowed a page from
that that when the fewer words, the more impact. And
having Paul Bearer, who was you know, like a legit undertaker,
I always remember you like, you shake his hands, and
he had like these fleshy hands, you know, and he
did he just reminded you of of a guy you'd

(46:52):
needed a funeral parlor. You know, he was trying to
sell you a casket. So he was in in you know,
hail pasty, uh, in that creepy voice. Oh, I would
like to do undertaker. You know, just a perfect pairing.
So you know that that day that debut, I thought,

(47:14):
I thought Mark looked tremendous. And uh uh if you
you know, the camera angles kind of came from under,
you know. And and Mark's not not that he's not
a huge guy in six' eight or whatever he, is
but everything was you, know they when they told you
whenever you show, him you, know it's kind of down you,
know under you, know looking up at this, guy and,

(47:35):
uh he looked. Great and so it just it just
went from there and he was perfect for that. Role
uh and and and a testament to that too is
like who even remembers what he did? Before and, yeah
it was what he was Mean mark or you know
it had done some other, things but was awesome about

(47:56):
it because he was completely. Transformed it wasn't where people were,
going oh that's him or That's mark call is this
this like brand new? Guy this character and uh and
he just he built that foundation right from the beginning
and then just kept putting more and more bricks. On.
Uh and you, know you see how many decades it.

(48:17):
Lasted uh to this, day the guy could still go out,
there uh if he wanted.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
To oh yeah a pop and thirty years.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Tremendous and and then and we talked about gimmicks, before you,
know like when you go when you first see them
and you're, going is this going to? Go you think
this is going to? Take, well we'll. See. Now this
is one of those, ideas was, like, no, man this
this is. GOLD i would have not figured it was
going to last as long as it. Did BUT i

(48:47):
do remember, going, man this is this is one of
the best. EVER i don't know where he's going with this,
thing but it's. Awesome and they didn't have the, belts
they didn't have the toll when he you, know they
hadn't added that part. Yet but you, know to this,
day all you gotta do is hear that, toll the, bell,
oh you, know and everybody's immediately, right.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So you know who's coming. Out, yeah you're, so you're
so right about.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
That and it's and at the time, too the way
he wrestles BECAUSE i watched his whole event for the
first time in a long time the other. Night So
i'm watching it and when until he gets in the,
ring you know he's. Moving they get a close up his.
Face he has fake bags underneath his, eyes like he
looks Even.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Piper he's, like, oh he looks a little.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Sleepy and yet When taker goes out, there he's he destroys,
everybody like you, know some kicks and punches here and.
There at one point when he flies off and does
his first ever flying clothesline off the, Ropes you're, like
what the was? That because you don't at this point
in time in nineteen ninety you don't See andre or

(49:51):
a chemera Of Big boss bouncing off the ropes and
jumping in the air and give you a clothesline Like
earthquake did a.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Dropkick very, impressive take your flying out of the.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Gate first time seeing him doing, this that, REALLY i
think sets you off on a great. Path and a
year from now he is fighting for the world title
winning It sartar's nineteen ninety. One so in, reality you
know this is, Working And i'll tell you why it.
WORKED i had a poster of. Volt cocin in my, room,
shocker AND i had slinted, ceilings SO i Had hogan

(50:21):
on the other side of the. Poster, well guess what.
HAPPENED i was sleeping over here this. Poster the tape,
broke it slipped, out it, Fell it's still hanging. THERE
i woke, up sat.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Up who's on the other. Side it was The undertaker
with his eyes rolled. Back, MOONEY i had, nightmares my.
FRIEND i had nightmares because he's he's got his eyes rolled.
Up the tombstones as.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Bats it was taking care OF i need, you, Yes
i'll get. Tight. Yeah and that in that match where
uh he he, Tombstones coco kills him and and he.
DID i think, that you know that that was a stiff.

(51:05):
One AND i Know coco was not, happy and AND
i think it was just maybe a little bit over
excitement On mark's part AND i AND i know that
he was very uh you, know, uh he felt really
bad about. It but, yeah Because mark was well known
for being you, know he took good care of people in,

(51:27):
there he, didn't you, know as we talked about, before
like the whole thing with The hulkster and and him being.
Concerned uh you know when The hulk had to go
to the hospital and the whole. Thing but, yeah that,
one that one you watch it and you're, like oh my,
God yeah that was that was.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Stuff, yeah he's must he's must some good you know
in that match though in the until your, Match Brett,
HART i feel like stands out as one of those,
like oh, WOW i knew he was, good BUT i
know he was as good because we get to the,
end It's linde Lah man And Tidy as having a
back and forth match because everyone else has already been.
Eliminated Bret hart at this, time they keep FEELING i
feel like they keep trying to like figure out what

(52:07):
to do with.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Him shouldn't be a singles, wrestler should not be a singles.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Wrestler what were your thoughts On Bert hard around this,
time because, again go In Saviva series nineteen, ninety, well
By SummerSlam ninety one he wins the Intern continental, title
so less than a year from now they, realized oh
he's gonna be a, star and Then Savivor series ninety
two he's world champion two years. Later so to, me
what were the Process why do you think The Heart

(52:32):
foundation kept like breaking up and not breaking, up not
officially breaking, up but separating for a minute and then
getting back together.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Constantly well.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
When WHEN i don't think they ever didn't know what
a Talent brett was from the second he got. There
they but they always. Had it took them a long
time to figure out what to do with them and
what his place, was you, KNOW i mean like when
he came in, there we talked about they had we're

(53:04):
gonna make him a cowboy and had discussed having him
come in on a horse and all these crazy, things
and then, uh it really started clicking once they hooked
him up with jim became the heart. Foundation you, Know
jimmy helped him out there with all the uh you,
know with what was going, on and they that that

(53:28):
tag team, worked AND i think that it it was
an opportunity for For brett to really develop and kind
of find his way uh in. There and as we've
seen happening in other situations where you, know you get
guys that are are tag, teams The rockers certainly come to,

(53:49):
mind where you, know they worked tremendously as a team
together and uh tremendously over but then you also kind
of see like one of them starts to to separate.
Themselves and as we saw With Shawn michaels And, brett
you could you could see that happening for whatever. Reason

(54:10):
and WE i don't want to get into the weeds
on it with The with The Heart, foundation but you,
Know Jim knightheart had certain. Things it's some certain issues
and he would be out or, whatever and and, uh
whenever tag teams you know do, that, well you've got
it's all like with with L O d where you
Had Joe Joe lernidis would have a. Bulldog, yeah just

(54:35):
a single stuff like. That SO i think that they
they started to realize, what you, Know brett could. Do
and there was always kind of even you know at
that point in time where you, know he wasn't the
biggest guy in the, world but these guys had started
really to show that they could get over with. People
with the. Crowd you didn't have to be a, monster
you didn't have to be six six and you know

(54:58):
two sixty or what you you could with your the
the the high flying and the skills and stuff like,
that and And brett could do it. All and also
the the way they really proved that is that when
he was in a ring with a big guy and
he could have a great match with. Him uh so
that that at that, point and that's WHERE i think

(55:20):
they were With brett and, uh you, know and and
pay per views like this were was an opportunity to
where he could really show what he could do and
and he. Did uh as we saw.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Him AND dibiasi did an amazing work, here amazing even
a year Before brett did did it With Macho, kings
like they keep trying to like figure out Man brett's
doing a really great job against main event wrestlers in
high caller, matches but he's still in the tag.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Team he's still in the attack team.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Rank SO i just THOUGHT i would to bring that
up because watching out damn like this is this is
really this is really.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Good and people noticed and they knew, that you, know
Uh Pat patterson and, them would you, know that's they
they saw and they noticed that when they're in the
ring and the how the crowd, reacts and uh that
was you, know they they they've been doing this for
a long time and, uh it's just, That, okay so

(56:14):
now what do we do with? Him and, uh uh you,
know how we're gonna how we're gonna separate. That SO
i think that's why you were seeing that they would
experiment by putting them in situations like. That and, uh
as we've seen along that that is his, uh his
path that he traveled in the W W. E it

(56:37):
just he he could reach those. Heights and for just
for some, Reason vince never ever totally believed it and
right to the. End. Uh and and anybody that's been
in a situation like, that unless you've got that full,
confidence it's it's a tough, road. Man AND i think, that,
uh you, KNOW i feel For, brad you, know and
you know how MUCH i care and respect For brett

(57:01):
and knowing him back then and just loved what he
could do in the. Ring AND i just always felt,
like you, know it's like one of those things like
always something you, know.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Just, yeah, no you're, Right, no you're.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Right him And Sean michael stopped breaking out around this
time a little. Bit but also tip my hat To
Million Dollar man because he Says kane The undertaker on
the live.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Broadcast when they have the, repeat it doesn't say, that
it says The.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Undertaker So Million Dellar, man according to, stories he had
to go inside the studio and re record his Intro,
undertaker using the same inflection he did during that live
promo to say Just undertaker because they didn't like The
kane The undertaker, part which no one knew about for
like twenty, years and then, suddenly you, know The internet
and all these stories.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Getting interviews and, shoots AND i think that was.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
A little a fun fact. Though another fun fact, though
is the first matchup of The. Evening it's The warriors
versus The Perfect. Team six people in this match at
face paint two don't.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Uh that's a fun.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Fact the other fun fact about that is everyone technically
on The Good guys.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Team are All. Warriors you have The Aulto, warrior you
have The Road, warriors.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
And Tesas toniano is, old he wasn't call it here
the modern Day, Warrior so you have Three warriors on one.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Team fun, facts, folks about the first matchup of the.
Evening fun.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Facts and this is the last time we See acts
as an active. Wrestler this is Where crush is really taking,
over and there's a there's actually there's actually a poster
in the. Audiences, acts what does your hair look so?
GOOD yea true he had great. Hair he had great.
Hair SO i guess the question is story is they

(58:43):
Want acts to maybe be the manager of. Demolition he
doesn't want to do. That they want him to be a.
Producer he doesn't do. That he leaves What this is
the end of the real demolition in my? Eyes, like
why do you think it's all over? Here why Didn't
crush And smash work? Out why Didn't acts they around
and become a. Manager, WELL i, mean.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
First of, all we should addressed the. Hair i'm sure
That bill would love to have that hair, now because he.
Did he had it going on for. That but they're,
they you, know they also the story that that he
had health issues that he. HAD i, know it's kind
of a crazy, storyboard but it had something to do

(59:24):
with fish he ate In japan or something that impacted
his heart OR i don't, know but he's supposedly, had you,
know he had some health issues going on and needed
to step back for a. Bit and so that's how
and they didn't know what to do With. Crush they

(59:48):
tried the, uh the orange gimmick with the that And
hawaii yeah, yeah and that didn't really go, over and
so they were hoping that they could put him in
there and even if it was a temporary, thing but
just keep the momentum going for. Demolition and nobody ever

(01:00:10):
really bought it for whatever. REASON i, mean people could
say that maybe discount his work or, whatever but it's
one of those things that when you have a combination
of guys for maybe it's just you can't explain, it
but it. Works And Barry darco And Bill eedy were

(01:00:32):
just a great pair from the. Beginning and they got
together kind of accidentally because that wasn't the original demolition
that was supposed to. Be but for whatever, reason it's
it's magic when you get people, together and that's the
way it was With barry And. Bill And barry talks
about all the time that you, know he was the younger.

(01:00:53):
Guy he hadn't been at it that long necessarily compared To.
Bill bill was the, veteran and and he was worried
how they were going to work, together but he, said you,
know right at right, away they. Clicked AND i think
a lot of that had to do with the respect
That barry had For, bill and he was willing to

(01:01:16):
learn and did learn a great deal from. Him AND
i think, that, uh you, Know bill felt re energized
because tag teams were big, then and, uh you, Know
vince wanted something a counter program against the road warriors
who were out, there and he really couldn't get them

(01:01:37):
in at the you, know before, that and, uh this
one really. Worked and you know we've seen it happen again.
Before you know that you try and get something and
think you can just slip somebody in there and it's gonna. Work,
well so for you, know the unwritten you. Can't you
don't understand, why but that's just the way it. Is
and that's that's what happened. There as far as What

(01:01:58):
bill was going to, do you, know they wanted to
keep him, around but he wasn't really interested in being a.
Producer he wasn't interested in hanging out at ringside the whole.
Time so, well his hair looked.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Amazing here his hair did look, amazing, Amazing, yes, yeah all,
RIGHT i just want to say it looked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Amazing and then someone years, LATER i think it was
a couple of years, ago brought a sign and it
was in the same exact. Spot he was obviously accident
walk on the, aisle but someone was walking on the.
Aisle we'll, say like you Know damian Priest Or drew,
McIntire someone had the same exact.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Sign they remade it and they walked by it and
was if you, knew you, knew so, suddenly oh my, god.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
It looks so. Good it. Was it was one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Moments it was it was great to relive someone remade
a sign from thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Ago SO i enjoyed. It, HONESTLY i never, had you,
know personally you worked with these. People for, ME i
Liked Hawaiian crushed Because i've been watching ninety two episodes
Of superstars and out of nowhere a vignette pops up
and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Like, eh It's, crush you remember.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Me I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
HAWAII i want to tell you more about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Me and then he starts speaking like he's always, smoke
like he's From hawaii and he's and he's from there
and and that's where he loves and that suddenly he's crushing,
coconuts making coconut.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
PUNS i had no problem with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
That version that this version, though it's it's Not it's
like when new when your favorite band members of a
band and they added new, members or you see A
tv show and some people believe you love and they
get replaced by new characters that are supposed to be
loved as.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
EQUALS i. NOT i have nothing against acts smash or, crush,
nothing but when you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Hagar not, hits not all hits this and uh and
no PROBLEM i, GET i have no problem with. That
this is, though the only time L O d In
demolition fight on a pay per view missed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Opportunity uh, YEAH i think SO i had to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Be, yeah it's insane to think that even.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Happened and another fun fact about this, Match Texas tornato
actually lost The icy title a month before, this but
at a taped event because it hasn't aired on television,
yet so in, reality he's still walking around the iced.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Title Mister perfect technically is the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Champion but if you didn't, know you didn't know because
no one had the internet then to figure that part.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Out SO i thought that was as smoking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Merrors but another, yeah you, know we didn't talk about.
IT i forgot to mention.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
It bertart's brother passed away the day before The survivor
series and then he dedicates the match to. Him Even
piper on Comment arry says he's dedicating his match and
then he loses the. Match, YEAH i don't know if
you need to know that as an Audience Bert. Heart
it was just a personal thing probably Between piper And.
Brett BUT i don't think we as an audience need

(01:04:49):
to know that Because Brett hart.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Lost, NO i don't think that Wasn't roddy wouldn't have
even brought that up if they didn't say mention. It but, uh,
yeah you know that that was just. Awful and of
course more tragedy would follow The heart. Family but, uh you,
Know dean was in his thirties and, uh you know

(01:05:11):
a lot of odd circumstances surrounding that he'd been hit
by a bus or something at some point and somehow
that was credited that it messed up as kidneys or
he had kidney issues and, anyway just a very uh you,
know at a very young. Age and, uh you, KNOW

(01:05:35):
i Think brett it was very tough on him BECAUSE
i don't know if they were exactly, estranged but they,
weren't you. Know HE i think, he from what the stories,
go that it wasn't great between, them and he felt
like that there was much more to be said between.
Them but uh and also they, say Like, vince like

(01:05:57):
why was he why Would brett even have be. There
you just lost a sibling who you know in your,
family and there's That vince wouldn't let him. Out uh
you know that we need you. There Uh and then
like you just, said it was just so odd That,
okay he's dedicating this match and then he gets. Beaten

(01:06:21):
uh you know it WAS i just. It if people
like question why there's a lasting bitterness Within BRETT i
he will not deny that he's had a, trument had
a tremendous gifted life as a professional. Wrestler but the

(01:06:45):
things that happened within his dealings with the w W
e are are. Many and that that if that was the,
case that he loses a brother and they don't even you,
know they're, saying, no you, gotta you gotta you, know
this almost go on and uh you know that's whether
or not that's the, case because you Know, stu his

(01:07:07):
dad may may you, know because he was old time,
business may have told, him, no you've got you've got.
Commitments this is what we. Do uh you need to
go or. Not but you Know owen who would follow and,
uh you know the history of other you, know the
deals they had that he had with the w W

(01:07:29):
e And vince taking that. Away why wouldn't he have.
THAT i don't think, That LIKE i, SAID i don't
think that he doesn't realize that he was. Blessed but
at the same, time, man he, uh he endured a
lot of of of heartache and and some really not

(01:07:49):
such great dealings with with the w W. E So
i'm sure it's love hate and even like recently where
you know they said they brought invited him To SummerSlam
and then they didn't have seats for. Him you, know
it's just SO i don't, know it's, uh it's. Understandable, yeah,
NO i believe it at, that but that that was

(01:08:09):
that was another THING i had forgotten. About but you're
bringing that. UP i, MEAN i JUST i don't know
how he did it that. DAY i. Don't and you,
know that's just shows that the mental toughness that that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Had and, YES i think the stories Of it's command
being ruthless to a lot of people are ONE i sent.
True but then there's Also Brett hard is a, warrior
And Brett hart not a modern day. Warrior Brett hart
is like a gladiator where he suddenly he's he's here
because he wants to give the fans who bought a
ticket to see him not missed the, car because already

(01:08:46):
three people are bumped from this. Car but that's this
are all. Heels this is a good, guy he's. Here
but in, Reality i'm looking at the card right. Now,
now obviously this is just me spitball. Here Brett hart
could have been the sole survivor of his team And
Sartain slaughter could have been the soul is his. Team
so you just swap it Out linda La mayor For Sartan,
Slaughter tito Out Brett hart in So Brett hart wins

(01:09:09):
the match dedicated to his, brother he didn't dedicate the grand,
finale and then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
We can go that. Route but Obviously i'm quarterback and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, true BUT i BUT i think even from a show,
standpoint that would have been, nice like changed things up
because things, happened and a little tribute to to him
and and a thank you for being here and, uh you,
know you know right and you and you did what

(01:09:40):
you felt you needed to do and you helped. Us
uh and then, yeah SO i thought that was like
what AND i don't know that THAT I i don't
know how how that all that decision was made or
what the discussions. Were but just from looking at from
the outside of, us, man that ain't. Right that's that's

(01:10:03):
and then like you, said to Have roddy talk about,
it you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Know, Right, yeah because to, me that's really bizarre because
anytime wrestler over the years at least and it has
been knowledge on, television they acknowledge it through social. Media
now because you have social. Media Bret, heart if it was,
today oh my brother, DIED i won't be there. Tomorrow
fans are aware that he won't be. There so if
you bought a, Ticket i'm, Sorry i'll make it up
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Somehow blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Blah he can't do that in nineteen Ninety but, again
why is it okay For Rick, Rude nickkim and Bad
News brown to leave your company beforehand over money situations
or health. Situations But Brett, hart who has a really
the reason is we cannot can make change.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
It you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Can't you can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
That yeah we. Can't oh we can't change. It we
can't switch this. Up yeah you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Can but he wasn't even a part of like it
wasn't a big. Storyline Heart foundation had a storyline With Brethland.
Blues it wasn't like people were going to lose their
mind over not getting that. Match so, yeah it's. Nuts Rick, rude,
like AS i, mentioned he's not. Here he was the
main event of A Cermus slam nineteen. Ninety he's upset
with his. Pay he's also you, know a little. Injury

(01:11:07):
he's banged, up and so he's. Out he, Leaves haku replaces,
him and it's It's, hultkogan The big Boss, man Tug, Bow,
Hacksaw Jim dugget taking on an, Earthquake Dino, Bravo, barbarian
and Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Haku Rick rud was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Here so, again do you feel the strange feeling like
a lot of these guys A, Keen Badie's brown And
Rick rude all out of the company based off of
money or health, reasons all at the same, time all
around the same.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Time why do you Think Rick, rud who just minivated
a pay per view leaves?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Abruptly, WELL i don't think it. WAS i, mean he left,
abruptly BUT i don't think for my situation came about.
ABRUPTLY i think this had been going on a while
that as you said he wasn't happy with the. Pay
and then there was also a situation where he, was you,
know banged up and couldn't go in the, ring but

(01:12:01):
he was they're still having him do promotional, things uh
and be part of, it and he felt that he
should have been compensated and uh said he. Wasn't so
he he was at a point, where you know, What
I'M i feel Like i'm worth more than. That and,
uh and like you, said if it's an isolated, incident

(01:12:22):
or maybe it's one pay off or, something but obviously
when you get to that, point it's it's a recurring
thing and you feel like they're Not i'm. Not first of,
all they could have done a better job taking care of,
me but you also look at, okay so what's? Ahead
is this what you? Know is it just going to get?
Worse so when an opportunity comes, Up i'm out and,

(01:12:44):
uh you know those three you, say it wasn't just
because of that. Event all of a, sudden they're going,
Like i'm. Out you, know the things have to build,
up building. Up guys are saying, okay and then there's
some kind of, okay this is this is What i'm.
Thinking what do you IF i what do you think about?
That and they, say, well well we're not gonna we're
not going to do, anything or or this is what

(01:13:06):
we're going to, do and it's not, enough and you're, like, okay,
uh Obviously i've got my. Answer so you know that he.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Goes to w and comes a world. Champion so you,
know when you you're, right you're. Right when you're a hot,
pie you think you're worth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
More so if someone else supposed to pay you the
way you feel you should be, paid then that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
What Rick crew.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Did W w went To, japan made more. Money he
got injured, though so he was out For this is
the end IN wsw when he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
There but you're, right the value of a man event
wrestler In.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
SummerSlam are you shocked to think that ANY wwf wrestler
at the time who's in the main event of a,
match that he doesn't make it to the next pay
per of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
View well, yeah but you, know LIKE i, said you
don't know what's going on behind the scenes. There you,
know even if they're in, that they be in that
big situation and then they don't get what they felt
they deserved and somebody else they know got more or,
something you, know and it's like wait a, minute, uh you,

(01:14:04):
know and there are a lot of situations like that
and they don't weigh it like the Way vince, did right,
say you, know, well this guy that he's there because
he's he's he's he's delivered for me four or five.
Times you, know this was your, shot and yeah it was,
great but you got to do it again and again
and again and to get to be at that level

(01:14:25):
to Where i'm where you're gonna get that kind of. Money,
yeah and, uh you, know war that was kind of
the warrior syndrome who Felt, Okay i'm here and now pay.
Me whether before it was really, okay you did this
and uh and then then you did it, again and
then you did it again and you're you, know there's
that longevity and you're and and the, uh the gates

(01:14:46):
and the pay per view and all that is is up,
there so you deserve a bigger. Piece that's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Point that's a really good. Point, actually, YEAH i want
to give me more, hits not just.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
One. Yeah it's, like, yeah you can't just deliver you
know one, Time, okay you're gonna get Pai, wow you're
gonna get paid more than the other. Guys but until
you're that uh you know that franchise. Player, uh you're not.
Gonna it's not gonna you're not gonna see those big
numbers like. That and we should mention. Before, also we
didn't even mention About Sergeant slaughter and the uh what

(01:15:17):
he stirred up with his uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
We'll get him in one. SECOND i want to Get
we'll get him in one. SECOND i. DO i trust,
ME i GOT i got it written.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Down The the match that we're talking, about, though The,
babyfaces to me is like the Perfect babyface. Team you
Have big Boss, Man, Halt, Cogan, Hacksaw Jim, duggan and Tug.
Boat the question about tug about though in this, matchup
he doesn't actually, wrestle he gets he's on the apron
the whole time he gets in the. Ring Hemmer, earthquake
go at it double count? Out is this why the

(01:15:49):
Tug boat?

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Hate when we.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Did a podcast About earthquake And hogan AND i brought Up,
tugboat there was this weird feeling of people Hated. TUGBOAT
i DON'T i don't know why where is this hate coming?
From why is he in the apron the whole damn.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Match, WELL i don't, yeah AND i don't know where
that came. FROM i don't feel. THAT i, thought you,
Know tugboat was, over especially especially when he got the
rub from The. Hulkster, yes so, YEAH i, think you,
know like, what whenever you see something like, that that

(01:16:24):
means in most cases they're banged up that they can't
go and and they can't go one, hundred but you
got to have them involved, somehow so you'll have them
go in and do. Something but they're not taking big
bumps because they're they're. Hurt, so you, KNOW i think

(01:16:45):
that that the problem that people had With tugboat is
it was too much of a, cartoon uh you, know
you know in The, yeah that's WHAT i you, Know
but as far as look where we were, then it
was still the, family fun kind of, company, Right but

(01:17:10):
you know that's WHAT I BUT i know that there
were some people that it was just it was a
little much as far as they were. Concerned, well you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
WHAT i telling to those, guys screw you, people all,
Right i'm A tugboat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Fan well and it worked out well because, uh you,
know he he Became typhoon and uh and had a
good run there with With Earthquake.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Tag Team Champions hall Of, famer THOUGH i did read
a story a long time ago Ic tugboat was a
pitched idea to Have tugboat Beat Iraqi sympathizer to Fight Hull.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
COGAN i would just have.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Seen what they did with him with. That that would
have been what would would what would you have, like,
uh you Know kifa with with a sailor hat on.
IT i mean like what they? Do uh? Nice? NICE
i like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
That that's an actually. Figure we need to make mac cardonah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
NOR i Think macardona. Would he would make.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
It someone would buy. It he would buy, it you
know he. Would i'll make it myself IF i have
to do. It but, yes that, MATCH i enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Babyfaces you Know hogan obviously. Wins hogan must post he
goes in The Grand. Finale you're talking About Sartain. Slaughter
we'll talk about, him and then we'll talk about the.
Match Sartain slaughter if no one knows he's developing His
iraqi sympathize the character At SummerSlam nineteen, ninety which we
didn't actually mention when we did our. Review he is
given an award By Brother love and it's like a

(01:18:39):
humanitarian award of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Being, oh you are now a True. American he comes,
out he takes a giant dump On.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
America so we are in the beginnings of This iraqi
sympathizer Character survivor.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Series he comes out And Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Piper when the show, starts he informs us The Armed
forces are able to watch this pay per view for,
free but they're going to Charge Saddam hunsein double while
he shoots a snot rocket from his. Nose that's the
first like five seconds Of survivor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Series it's a not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Rocket so Sartn slaughter comes out for his match with The.
Mercenaries we have The Orient. Express what a nineteen ninety
tag team Named that Is Boris, zukoff A. Russian he's
supposed to be supposed to be a. Keen we'll get
to him in a, second. Right Sartn slaughter comes out
and then he pretty much pisses off every single person

(01:19:31):
in the. Arena he insults A us serviceman On, thanksgiving
stirring real life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Shit now you're there in the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Company we did a whole podcast about this what is
the feeling about this situation that you're involved with in this?

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Moment was Sartin?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Slaughter, well, FIRST i still can't get the image of
thinking Of Saddam hussein sitting in one of his palace's
pissed off that he had to pay double to see the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Event she talked, about she talked, About she talked.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
About, like, yeah we're gonna make, them he's gonna pay. Double,
yeah that's what we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Do, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah teach.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Them, yeah we've we've talked about this before. That, uh you,
Know Sergeant, slaughter really he pulled this, OFF i mean
too well in a sense that, ah and it was
a fine line as, uh you, know we get into,
this BUT i as we discussed, that, uh it was you,

(01:20:31):
know one of those gimmicks that are one of these
storylines that you have that uh mimics it mirrors reality
and and uh you you play it up and uh
in many ways it worked initially with the UH i
mean like massive heat doing this On, thanksgiving uh and

(01:20:55):
insulting the. TROOPS i think you, know there were some
people and of course everybody gets. It we all know
what it's a work and what's, happening but it just
didn't ring. Well it didn't go over, well AND i,
felt even, personally, like, Ah, god that wasn't we didn't
need to do. That that's not going to really get,
heat that's going to get the you, know you, know

(01:21:17):
there's a. Heat and then there's, yeah that's just. Bad you,
know that's like real you it's negative and. Uh AND
i think that that that was a little too, much
AND i think a lot of people felt that way
because we. Didn't my FEELING i remember at the time
was saying like we didn't need to do. That he

(01:21:37):
didn't really need to go that far with, it and
as with anything, else kind of you go there and
you go you touch the wire and, go, yeah maybe
we shouldn't do. That AND i think that they they
learned a lesson that, day but overall that, WELL i
THINK i think that they did realize it was it

(01:21:59):
was the wrong thing to do that, day and maybe
maybe that day, Differently, yeah, right BUT i said it Was.
Thanksgaby it was just it just felt. Wrong it was
and ALL i could think it was, like there's these
guys overseas watching this and they know it's but you're

(01:22:21):
kind of crapping on, us and it's not, it you.
KNOW i just felt like these guys were overlooking and
we need to it needs to always say thank, you
especially when you know you're talking directly to them even
though you're. Not you, know suddenly you're making them part
of the work. Here but, nah let's not do. That

(01:22:41):
that Was that's the WAY i felt ABOUT i still
do this day feel that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Way, WELL i thought that whole match was, terrible so you,
KNOW i do Love Service theres nineteen, ninety BUT i
thought that whole match was because, Yeah keeam's not, here
which you'll discussed in a. Second but in, reality let's
look at this team for a, minute because it is
again Boras, zukoff who's only in for forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Seconds then he's out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Forty eight thank, you but thank? You, yeah thank.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
You here's your here's your. Payday, hey you don't get
paid by the, minute you know WHAT i. Mean you
get paid by you, know just showing. Up it's the
Alliance Nikolai volkov who now does not Like. Russia he Loves,
America Tito santana and the bushwhackers versus the, mercenaries sardin,
Slaughter Bora. Zukov and it's funny Because wikipedia Has itsato And,
tanaka they would actually write Orient, express good for you

(01:23:33):
and good for YOU Pc, wikipedia good for you at
nineteen ninety cover that. Up, Yes Sartain slaughter doesn't even.
Win he doesn't even, win he gets. Disqualified in the,
End tito, wins goes to The Grand Finale Sarten slaughter
then two months later wins the world. TITLE i guess
you didn't have to win, here but but, no, NO
i thought it was a little strange he.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Didn't, yeah but you know, WHAT I i used to
like that that they would throw in these little like
but you, Know, tito, UH i love that they did,
that and it's something that you, know that's been a
part of wrestling. Forever BUT, i you, KNOW i think
that people, expected, oh, yeah of course he's gonna he's
gonna win, it and we need to, healed it's gonna,

(01:24:16):
move you, know that whole. Thing And, no it was, like, oh,
Okay SO i, said that was kind of that tip
of the hat that day to these guys that had
devoted their bodies and lives to this company and we're
gonna give him a little more of the stage. Today
and so uh not For Boris, zukoff, Though, no forty

(01:24:39):
eight seconds was enough and maybe too? Long maybe too?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Long yeah, yeah forty five seconds too?

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Long forty more did to do so well as a?

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
SINGLE I i you, know nothing against, him but he
did not do very. WELL i wasn't a good singer,
Either i'm gonna be, honest Wasn't it wasn't a very good.
SINGER A, keem, though was replaced By Boris zookoff in that.
Match he left the company In october of nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Ninety and you, know it's always about, money or it's
always ABOUT i missed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
HOME i want to be something. Else because he goes
TO wcw months later and He's One Man gang. Again
he's no longer A. Keem, Yeah keem train has, ended
no more jive soul?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Brother what did you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Think did you Like One Man gang VERSUS A?

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Keem?

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Like why do you think the reasoning? Is all these
heels are leaving because they're upset with? Paydays do they
think they're worth more? Money because all of, them except
For Rick, rude worked With. Cogan you, know A keem
work With, Hogan Bad News brown work With. Hogan Rick
rude worked With. Warrior are these guys, thinking, WELL i
rub shoulders with the great SO i deserve that money.
Too what's the difference between A keem leaving versus a

(01:25:46):
Bad News?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Brown, WELL i was always the one man gang fan
over A Keem. Jeah SO i HOPE i don't have
to explain, that BUT i need a fifteen. Minutes that's
that was his. Thing but but, see really you got,
to you, know think about. IT i don't think it
was necessarily a. Cheen one of the didn't feel like

(01:26:09):
he was being you, know he should be this main
eventor and. All this other guy wanted to make a,
living you, know and obviously it was clear that he
was willing to do whatever they needed him to do
to make that. Happen according to, him he was barely getting.
By and as we have talked about the price that you,

(01:26:32):
pay there was no more brutal schedule in professional wrestling
than with THE wwe. Now and if you're going to,
give you're going to sacrifice what you needed to, sacrifice
then your, family the mental, toll the physical toll that

(01:26:54):
that came along with, it well you better be well.
Compensated that was what it was all. About despite your
love of going into that ring and, everything but doing
it three hundred days a, year you better get something
back for. It so when you've been in the independence
and you know what the bottom is, like and you

(01:27:17):
go and you've made it to this level and probably
initially coming in you're making the big, money but then
you've got you, know at one, POINT i think we
had A b AND c shows going, On, yeah, yes
you did you do. That when you do, that you you,
know you can only pack those cards with so, much

(01:27:38):
and when you do, it you water it down because
you've got to have a guy that's got a bigger. Name,
well you got to say he's with the on THE
b tour when necessarily he would have been with THE
a tour and made more. Money you, know he's higher
on the car than the, b's but you're not going
to get the same. House and that's back, then is
how you made your. Money nobody had the, contracts so,

(01:28:00):
uh your payday depended on how many butts were in
the seats as it, goes and when that's consistently not
happening and you're not with your, family a chem or
a one man gang was he was not one of
those guys he. Was he got along with, everybody but
he wasn't somebody who you know was out. Hanging it

(01:28:22):
was one of those people that you know was wall
with the boys all the. Time that wasn't who he.
Was so you become very. Isolated, uh it's it's a
it's just a brutal it's a brutal. Life and so
uh to be able to go somewhere else where you're
not going to have to do anywhere near the dates
and they're going to promise you a paycheck no matter,

(01:28:43):
What where are you? Going what are you going to? Do,
yeah they look back down and they see what the
W w became and and, said, well, MAN i should
have stayed or. Whatever but you got to think of
where they were at the. Time and uh so that's
WHERE i, think you know a lot of those guys.
Were we're talking about one man gang, here but that

(01:29:06):
kind of sums it up for all of. Them and
the top guys were making you, know you, know well
well well into six, figures but the guys of those
mid carters. Weren't and it was. Tough and you're remember
you're paying for your, hotel you're paying for your your
h your. Transportation all they're doing is they're giving you

(01:29:31):
your plane, tickets so you know that adds up to
you know, what you want to sit there and share
a room with guys every, night you, know sometimes two sometimes,
more uh four guys in a car to get to
the next, city waking up, early getting to a gym,
somewhere getting something to. Eat uh you. Know so, Anyway

(01:29:53):
i'm not playing the violin. Here for, them it was you,
know they they they made their they made their. Choice
but don't you cannot deny what the price that came
with it is. Amazing it wasn't just these wonderful pay
per view events where you, know these guys were every

(01:30:13):
day there, Somewhere SO i, TOTALLY i totally get you
know where they were coming. FROM i don't think anybody
could really disparage. Them and it was. Business, yeah they
made a, choice and Maybe vince didn't want to see him,
go but it wasn't gonna it wasn't right in contracts
at the, Time so what are you gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Do it's just, strange, though to see the, transition because
never do you see such a large group of wrestlers
kind of all even once it happens every so often
in The Golden, era where you, know The dynamite And
bulldogs only disappear or other people just. Disappear but this
is a large group of main event stars leaving all

(01:30:57):
it only.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Three, WELL i know that is, brown what was look
what was to come?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
TO i mean it was of, course and we goes
in and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Out there was no question about.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
That, yeah it's just interesting to see it all happening
at once around a big. Event one, person, though who's
on the card that actually wrestling Was Macho. King he's,
here he does he cuts up promo about how he
wants to face The warrior for the world. Title now
throughout the, night they're promoting that the main event is
gonna be AN nbc tomorrow. Night the next night after,

(01:31:26):
Service sirius to Be warrior defending his title against a
million dollar The man AND i watch that event the
next night And warrior gets his ass handed to him
By Macho. King he comes, down attacks him with the.
Scepter sherry's holding the. Championship there's a lot of, yelling
with a lot of. Screaming they're setting it all up
for The Macho Man warrior. MATCH i just Thought it
was strange Because Macho man At Summer slam nineteen ninety

(01:31:49):
had like a very short Matchgains dusty Because sapphire turns On,
dusty you have this. Match there's no Match Machu, mas
NO cyrbs series ninety, One Macho, Man Roy, Rumble he's
not Watch Manue, rumble Roll nable ninety. One savage is
not on the card. Either he attacks match A, man
he doesn't enter the, rumble he leaves the. Building SO
i just think it's so strange that match him is

(01:32:10):
missing so many big paydays for pay per views to
create a storyline With. Warrior kudos to, him not to his.
Wallet that's HOW i look at that. Situation like what
do you Think randy was? Thinking because he's he retires
in the ninety One WrestleMania resume of, Seven like where
do you go With randy at this point mentally as
a as a friendship or a. Colleague are you talking

(01:32:32):
to him going are you concerned about you know where
you are or you're very happy where you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Are? YEAH i think That randy, was you, know very
comfortable with what he'd. Become and at that, LEVEL i
think that you know that he was taking opportunities to
take more, breaks you, know to to just give, him you,
know time to recover from things and. Whatever so it

(01:33:01):
wasn't as big a, deal but that he would you,
know miss something or whatever that was. Purposeful and, uh
like you, said he had a he had a lot
going on, then and to, UH i think he started
to REALIZE i don't have to be a part of
every single thing that happens to remain. Relevant and, uh you,

(01:33:21):
know these guys start realizing, that you know that they
got to take care of their bodies, too and you,
know to miss an opportunity like, that you, KNOW i
don't specifically remember why that that he wasn't, there BUT
i do know, that, uh you, know it was kind
of the realization that you, know he started he he

(01:33:43):
had reached a point where he knew what where his
place was and, uh if if he wasn't at something
or it wasn't a, part it wasn't going to impact
him tumbling down or something in the in the pecking.
Order so and it's so funny when you think, back
like you, said it wasn't long where he supposedly had

(01:34:04):
this retirement and you're, thinking you, know now you see
guys that are in the ring that are in their,
fifties you, know like he was still a very young.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Man, uh you're thirty, four you're an old. Man get
out of.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Heads like, yeah he's long in the, tooth you, know
like what so it's it's it's a it's amusing to
to look back and see that that what what they
considered old men in the. Ring, YEA i, know it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Hilarious BEFORE i wrapping, up, though you did get to Interview, Hogan,
Hogan warrior And tito for The Grand finale, match because
means you was probably crying somewhere about the goblet googer
situations his.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Ribs what was that?

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Lie probably was that live or was that taped at
some point before the?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Match do you?

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Remember? No because, no we UH i think it was
it was a post what was it uh for he
was ready to pull the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Matchup you you're interviewing Like hogan And warrior and T.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
All, YEAH i can you work together because me someone
ELSE i think maybe it is me And gene with
the heels in another locker room and it jumps to
you and you're with the good.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Guys. Yeah, no USUALLY i mean pretty much and this
is kind Of i'll just give this a way to
folks when you watch a lot of this stuff and
probably figured it out. Anyway but when we could do,
those if it was a pre match, interview pretty much,
everyone they were always taped because then we, had you,
know full, control you know how long it, went you,

(01:35:34):
know and you basically roll it in you you get
to figure that into your times post. MATCH i, mean
it's just makes. Sense you can't really do. That whatever
happens out, there they're all sweating up. There if they
had the face, paint it's part of its, missing so
you're not you can't do so you can't tape. Those so,
yeah and LIKE i, said you, KNOW I i love

(01:35:55):
doing that one BECAUSE i was SO i was happy
For tito to be a part of, that AND i
knew that and you could just tell he appreciated being
there because it's just it's it's one of those things
that it's a measure of your. Accomplishments and, uh you,

(01:36:17):
Know tito wasn't necessarily ever going to get the strap
or be in, that you, know at that, level not
that he didn't deserve it or you, know but for whatever,
reason and to see but he was on that grand
stage that, day and so for, me that's that's what
made it made That i'd done And i'd done interviews
before with you, Know, Warrior, holkster all these you, know

(01:36:41):
but And, tito BUT i mean to do it in
a in a situation like that where the lights were
right on him, too and that made that made me feel.
GOOD I I i Loved. TITO i ran into him
WHEN i saw him recently up in In, vegas and,
uh just you, know just an awesome. GUY I i

(01:37:03):
hope people out there have ever had an opportunity maybe
at a show and had a chance to chat with.
Him but just like this down to earth. GUY i,
mean he was a teacher for years after he. Retired
uh he was a, teacher and and you could tell
he was A i bet he's a good. One it
was a good, one but still the same looks. Great

(01:37:24):
but uh that's my my most vivid memory of that
is just Having tito. There it just it was cool
AND i just felt great for.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Him, yeah that's so cool to hear because even on
the even in during in the Interview Hulk, Hogan he's
he starts it, off he puts Over. Tito it's like
me And tito been here since day, one, dude and
then he kind of looks at The warrior like you're
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Champion and that was, YEAH i was gonna, Say and
that was there was purpose behind, that and that was
The haulkster's way of doing of doing. That. Uh you,
know like you, Said terry was very aware of when
he put shine on people what it did for, them
And i'm sure personally That tito appreciated that. Too, no

(01:38:14):
it was it was a great.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Moment it was a great to say overall that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Event, yeah and over all that, Event, steven AS i
mentioned when we started talking about, this that's WHY i
liked it so much because you had these guys that
had you, know As i've gone over at nauseum here
of what they did out, there BUT i can't say
it enough of what they did every day and they
just kept. Going uh and it wasn't. Easy and just

(01:38:39):
to have that that day And, thanksgiving it was a
bit of a thanks to all these. Guys, yeah it,
was and it was a bit of a thanks and
it was great to see these guys that really had
not necessarily would get that that main spotlight on. Them
but to see people like, uh you, Know Hercules ornandez and,
uh you know everybody else who got a chance to

(01:39:02):
be in that grand Finale, warlord and you, know it
was it JUST i felt so good about being a
part of that company that day because it was it
was whether it was intentional or, not it was a
big thank you to these guys to tell, them, hey
you know, WHAT i. Know it's like the uh you,
know it's it's it's like the parent or. Something it

(01:39:24):
doesn't say it, enough but it was, like you, KNOW i,
do but we do. Notice we do appreciate what you.
Do and even if it was for that one, day
BUT i felt it AND i really appreciated. It it was.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Good you, know we glossed over because there was one
match it didn't have any controversy in, it and it
was The visionary was having a clean sweep Over jake The,
Snake Jimmy snooka and The. Rockers SO i just wanted
to put that out there before someone puts in the.
Comments you guys neglected. That but we also did an
entire hour long podcast about The jake The, Snake Rick martel.
Rivalry i'll put that in the description but we did

(01:39:58):
do a podcast about, that and we gave all of
our flowers to this match. Then SO i just want to, say,
everyone please don't yell at. Us this is the first
time we've ever gone an hour and forty plus on
a podcast BECAUSE i hooked line and, Say Sean mooney
on this. ONE i, said we're Doing abour series nineteen,
ninety it's my. Favorite we'll discuss it for three. Hours
he said an hour and a half AND i, said,

(01:40:18):
well all, fine and, fine, fine only an hour and a. Half,
Fine but, ANYWAYS i will always say this is my
favorite golden era of pay per review because it has
everyone As warrior perfect you, know Ld demolition as every
single person THAT i absolutely. Loved everyone is doing exactly
what they were doing around this, time and it's. Perfection
so two thumbs, up even to The, Gucker we love, You.

(01:40:41):
GOKER i feel so bad for him sitting inside that
damn eggon costume for about three probably four, hours just
waiting and waiting and waiting and cracking. Open but, oh you,
know you think Simmer slimony TWO i believe is the.
Best this is my personal. Favorite so hopefully everyone and
fight amongst each other but all in, all we want

(01:41:02):
to know in the comments what should have been the
mascot for THE wwf in nineteen Ninety was it a
giant turkey or a man who's soaking wet weighs ninety
pounds with a singlet shaking off his body.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Doing mark the Marcoses mark The.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Mark we'll figure it, out. Folks but, Again, moony any
final thoughts on the, Show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
NO i just loved if it was a. Feast oh
it was, fantastic it Was Oh, god all, right say, Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Steve that's we'll see you next, time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Folks I'm steve Fall he's a wonderful day and we'll
see you eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Time, bye