WWE Survivor Series 1991: Hogan Lies to Undertaker - Sean Mooney Shares All

What really happened the night Hulk Hogan lost the WWE Championship to The Undertaker? In this deep dive, we uncover the backstage drama and power struggle that led to one of the most controversial title changes in WWE history. Plus, why did Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat suddenly quit the company? We’ll also break down how WWE pushed This Tuesday in Texas relentlessly throughout the night—and share the wild story behind Macho Man Randy Savage getting bitten by a live King Cobra!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is un wrestling fans, it's an Ic Fall.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to ten count Media and of course the
primetime Sean Mooney iTunes, Spotify, iHeartRadio account as well.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Thanks for listening, Thanks for watching. How you doing, Sean?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm doing great, crazy day, but I'm glad I got
a chance to sit down because we have a lot
to talk about today, Steve Fall. And actually it should
be like a two parter and we'll explain as we
get into this.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yes it should, because today we're talking about Survivor Series
nineteen ninety one, and this Survivor series really connects to
another event this Tuesday in Texas, which might be voted
the worst name ever for an event, but we will
get to that possibly in another episode down the line.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
But today's Adversaries ninety one.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Before we get into anything, what was it like having
these events either on Thanksgiving or one on Thanksgiving Eve?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
What was it like for you?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Because everyone's away from their family, so what Thanksgiving things
are actually happening backstage to feel like you're celebrating, Yeah,
it was, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Mean, you got used to it. This is that's what
we did, and it's like anything else, and it's been
pretty much the story of my career is that when
you work in entertainment, television or news, whatever it is,
you're working on holidays and weekends, and that's that's just
the life. And you have crazy hours. You're either waking
up too earlier, you're staying up too late, but that

(01:34):
is part of the business. And you know, of course,
we'd gotten used to doing this event on Thanksgiving Day
and this was this was different because it was Thanksgiving Eve,
which meant we'd all be home for at least the
ones that lived in Stanford, because you know, a lot
of times these guys really didn't even have the chance

(01:56):
to get home. And of course, as you mentioned, this
Tuesday in Texas was an event that was going to
be taking place not many days later, so uh, you know,
it was just it was just part of our life. Uh.
And uh it was nice in that sense that I
remember we did get to because we would take you know,
the jet and be back sometimes sometime in the middle

(02:17):
of the morning, but you'd be uh, you know, back
home the next day. So it was in a lot
of ways, it was just another one of these pay
per view events. And it's funny, as I look back,
I was thinking today, you know, is that they they
added this other event, you know, within a week, and
everybody was like, what the hell, Oh my god, how
are we going to do this? And you know, today
it's just common practice. It's just kind of the way

(02:39):
things are that they have them basically. Uh you know,
sometimes more, but one or two a month. So but
back then, you know, we had the Big four basically,
and it was the way the whole season went, if
you want to call it, and so to be. But
to be able to turn it around and do this
other one, uh, it was a it was a big
ask back then for everybody involved.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Are you being fed though? Is there a turkey, is
there stuffing? Is there mashed potatoes backstage? Or is that
not happening?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, that was always the case. Especially they'd have a
big spread, big turkey spread for those days and you
know it wasn't the greatest food in the world, but
you did appreciate the fact that they didn't know it
was a holiday and you did have turkey and all
the trimmings. So yeah, that night there was pretty it

(03:30):
was the same thing because as I said, you know,
maybe a lot of these guys maybe weren't going to
have the opportunity to get home to spend some time
with their loved ones. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I always thought that was strange when you look at wrestling,
and even as a fan at the time, you're thinking,
how do you convince your parents on Thanksgiving Day? This
one of the Thanksgiving Eve, Thanksgiving Day every year for
the past couple. Hey, mom and Dad, I know, Grandma
and Grandpa are coming over and they drove all the
way from Florida to see here.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
But do we watch Survivor series? Is that all?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Do you think it's the hard sell for regular people
having Thanksgiving versus just a single person who's gonna watch wrestling?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, I think you know exactly the way we tried
to sell it. It was no different than you know,
watching football on holidays, and this was another event I
must see. So I think that a lot of people
that was part of the holiday for them. I'm gonna
have this, you know what? Great? How what could it
be better? What could be better? Then you get to

(04:34):
have Thanksgiving, which is a happens to be one of
my favorite holidays because you don't have to bring gifts necessarily.
If you're going to somebody's house, you could bring a
bottle of wine or something like they say, don't come
with your arm swinging. But for the most part where
you're not worrying, you didn't have to go watch shopping
and get special gifts for everybody you show up. Just
stuff your ass full of food all day, loosen the

(04:57):
belt and sit back in the couch and watch uh,
you know, football, or watch of course the Survivor series.
What else would you want to do? And it's it
was a perfect holiday, so that wasn't a tough sell
for people who are who were wrestling fans at the time.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's just so funny because for years it was on Sundays,
and then now it's on Saturdays, and then first so
long it was just like it's a Monday, it's Thanksgiving,
it's on Thanksgiving Eve. There was no rhyme or reason
on when these things landed. It was just a weird
situation for Sarvier series anyone. It's funny because doing research
for this event, Okay, first I want to do because
I want to, oh, be a great idea to connect

(05:34):
this to this Tuesday in Texas. I have a double
bonus episode. But this Survivor series, any review you find
all negative there is not a good thing to be
said about the Survivor series. The coventary is so all right.
I watched it, and I'll tell you what. I watched

(05:56):
it half cocked. You know, I'm doing the things I'm
looking at it, maybe folding some lawn and do playing
with my kids, but I'm watching it. What's consistently great
about it is the commentary of Bobby Heen and Grillam
on Soon. Any garbage could be on television, but listening
to them talk, I was I was like, wow, you know,
I could see why someone could think this is bad.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But also the commentary is just so good.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Oh yeah, they're just so good together. I was watching
some of it, and you know, the comments and other
stuff with Gorilla and Bobby, and I remember one where,
you know, Bobby's commenting how you know he keeps going
in and out of the ring, and Gorilla says, so,
I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you in and out of
this arena if you don't shut up, you know, like
the kind of the stuff that he could say to him.
And that's why that dynamic works so well. I've mentioned

(06:35):
that before, because Bobby he would let Bobby go, go go,
go mouthing off, mouth and off, and then it was
like the big SmackDown, and then Bobby would have to
retreat and kind of get okay, get back into the
good graces of Gorilla, and they could continue on. And
that was one of the one of the wonderful parts
of their of their dynamic that made it work so well.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
So you agree though that you think this is a terrible.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Now I'm interested to see your perspective on this because
you work there.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Why do you feel like it is well?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
And I think that you have to couple this with
this Tuesday in Texas, which we'll be doing another episode on,
which is a whole other hit to dive into. But overall,
and you know, I made my living shilling events. That
was pretty much what my main job was there. And

(07:26):
as I've explained before, you know, Superstars and Wrestling Challenge
were actually just one big commercial that was it was
all those were promotional tools to get people to go
to the house shows, and of course as we started
with the pay per views, it was all about getting
people to buy the pay per views. And this event

(07:47):
Survivor series, for a number of reasons, which I will
talk about, was one big Supercharge Wrestling Challenge is really
what it came down to. And it's funny. I've heard
people make comments of, you know, that Undertaker Hulk match
show was you know, the third match in and that's
you know, because Hulk Hogan wanted to be home with
a family, Like, come on, that was not it at all.

(08:09):
It was brilliant in a sense. Okay, we get this
match over early, we create all this controversy, and then
for the rest of the pay per view we get
to sell what's going to happen next. So I mean,
that's what it was all about. This was a gigantic
promotional event and I think a lot of people saw
through that. And we had some other moments which are

(08:31):
worth discussing, but when you come down to it, and
I was never a huge fan of these events when
you had four or five, whatever whatever number of teens
you would go in there because after a while, there's
only so much you can do with them, and depending
on their level of skill, whether orut those match were
matches were entertaining, and sometimes you would it would be

(08:53):
you know, two of the guys were good, but the
rest of it was just you know, slop, And so
I was never a huge fan of UH And then
of course they threw in this match with the Hulk
and the Undertaker with all the idea of what was
going to happen next, and to try and do this event.
Can we turn around an event within days and capitalize
after over what happened previously these days before, which which

(09:18):
was you know, a predecessor to to what they do
even today, where you can have an event like this
and then build something up and just a few days later,
we're going to get some kind of end to it,
some kind of thing between these two guys where you
get it settled. So it was, you know, they were

(09:39):
trying things out. They wanted to see can we do this?
The event didn't do great anyway, if you look at
the by raid, it was down from the year before.
And then this Tuesday in Texas which took place just
a few days later, five days later, you know, or
I guess six day was what Wednesday to a Tuesday.

(09:59):
I I don't know the exact dates of how it
played out day wise, but to turn something around that quickly,
you know, I didn't make some money off, but I
think the buy rate for the second event was about
half of what they did. I think it was three
hundred thousand something like that, and then this day this
said the event this Tuesday in Texas did about half

(10:21):
of that. So yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
You were paying half. It was twelve ninety five for
this Tuesday in Texas. It was twenty seven dollars and
ninety five cents for Survivor series. But yes, that is
the number one feeling I felt, too one watching it
for the first time ever, watching it and you're thinking,
oh that this gonna be great, and you think, well,
Holding versus Taker is now okay whatever, or it ends.
But this event, when it even starts, When this event starts,

(10:46):
the first thing you see is Jack Tunny promoting this
Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
That's the first thing you see.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
He's talking about the most famous, one of the most
disturbing moments ever, the Cobra of biting Macho Man's arm
on television.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's one of the greatest things ever.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I know we'll do like a full episode about just
that moment at some point. But the outrage that comes
forth from this from fans and being just this is crazy.
What were your thoughts on this? Did you get so
much pushback from this event? That's why you had to,
you know, ban reptiles from Ringside.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Oh yeah, of course, which which they were hoping, which
they were hoping to God that it would happen, and
it did. They knew that men people are going to
go out of their minds, and they knew that right
away just by the reaction to people at Ringside and
that arena when you know, Randy was was locked up
with the cobra. I first of a couple of things,

(11:43):
I want to give credit to President Jack Tunney, because
I think it really if you think he was the
perfect person to play that role he and he pulled
it off really well, and with that authority and you know,
the belief and the everything that went with it. But
I just find it so amusing that, you know, all
animals are all animals are are banned from Ringside And

(12:10):
one of the reasons with the cobra is because well,
yeah it was a cobra and it and bit Randy Savage,
but it was the fact that well it was supposed
to be venomized and and that's like one of the
things he mentions in the in the banning is that
it didn't turn out that way because Randy savage ended
up in the hospital. That's why we're really outraged here.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So that's venomized too, Venomized King bit one of your
employees that you're in charge of.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, well, I'm telling you that it's just the absurdity
of it all. And the you know, were the banning animals.
It's good thing that you know that undertaker didn't have
a buzzard that needed to be ringside, because we would
see that later. But uh, you know, it just just
went with how just insane all of it was. And

(12:57):
if you didn't catch on right away, because rest fans
have always been smart in a lot in many parts
of this, and I think that early on they realized
we're we're getting a little bait and switch happening here, guys.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think, though, how do you.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
The King Cobra thing is one of those moments where
you always hear, like who you don't want to act
with animals and children? This king Cobra cannot be controlled
to get off, macho man. It's one of the most
disturbing images you've ever seen. The Camemean Gang close ups
of the snake and I even sent you a link.
I watched the pre show the showdown that you hosted
in a bow tie nice tucks.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Looks great, looks great, and they show this.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's the one Bruce Frecher ruined, by the way, but
that's another story.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh okay, we'll talk about that later off camera.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Vince though screaming, got a bridgemized, got a bridge. Here's
that and then they then you come back and you're like, yep,
it was venomized.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It had venom inside somehow.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's evil. Yeah. Yeah, how he survived we will never know.
But uh, you know, Jake talks about though that that
because of all of the Rigamareau, the stress that Randy
put him through, about you know, a brother, I want
you to put that and I want to see it
bite you, you know, and the whole to make sure
it was good. So Jake talks about before he went

(14:19):
out there, you know, with that, with that Cochrie, he
gave it a couple of good you know, that thing
was ready to bite anything, and that's why it locked on.
It wasn't going anywhere. Somebody had to pay dude.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's still where I think it's top.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
That is the top moment, like mankind being like tossed
over a hell in the cell the through it and
then Thumbtacks is just on the level because he controlled,
he decided to do those things. He decided to go
up there. This snake is like, I'm gonna eat your
and everyone he's gonna love it. Yeah, well we'll do
We'll do a full episode later on about why match
him in and Jake had to happen, because obviously Warrior

(14:57):
we did a whole episode about it about being fired
by fitskg Man after SummerSlam ninety one, which changes everything
about this event. But the first thing we see again
some every series ninety one is Jack Tunny promoting this
Tuesday in Texas saying that I know everyone wants Machaban
to be reinstated, but he won't be. But he will
be this Tuesday in Texas. And Jake the Stick is

(15:19):
out of his Survivor series. Match imagine you bought this
for Jake. Yeah, they but they do promos, they do promos.
They still come out and cut Hey, by the way,
this Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Hey, this Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah. Well, and you know that said justice was out
too now, but at least people had an idea of
that before they got out the wallet. But I also
wonder about, you know, the whole thing that you know,
Sid had the damaged elbow. I think that was the
injury that they said was inflicted upon him. But you know,

(15:54):
I have to wonder about that. You never really knew
what was the work and what wasn't because Sid also
loved softball and and and it has come out, I
mean really that when it came down to it, that
Sid really didn't care that much about the business so much,
but he knew it. It was it was a great income.

(16:17):
But you know, you got to imagine an event like this,
it's on Thanksgiving, He's not really He's just going to
be a team guy whatever. Oh man. But I know
nothing about that. I have no idea if any of
that may have have been true. I just knew that
that he liked softball a lot, and there were a

(16:39):
few occasions that he had talked about where you know,
that was something he wanted to do more that week.
If you listen to the podcast I did with him
on Prime Time with Sean Mooney, he mentions his his
fondness for softball. But that's, uh, we digress. We get
off the track here, because then you have Jake Roberts

(17:03):
and everybody thinks, who's gonna fill a Sid's position? Who's
going to be that team member? Actually? Who else could
it be?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Steve would scho Man Man.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yes, the heat that those two have, but what do
they do? Randy Savage, Jake Roberts has gone to So
it's is gonna be less team members? Okay, I guess
I already paid, so I'm gonna watch and see what happens.
But what the hell.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's what makes this some ever series so hated because
you have people being pulled from it because you're right again.
I watched that showdown with you hosting it, and I've
watched Random Superstars and Trustan Challenges to get ready for this,
and they acknowledge on television multiple times who is going
to replace Sid. It becomes like a theme through episodes
of who's going to replace him? Even even the w

(17:59):
W does he reinstate Macho Men Hotline? Well, you could
pay seventy nine cents to call the WWF to tell
you that you want Macho Man reinstated.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I did the math.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Seventy nine cents in nineteen ninety one is only a
dollar eighty five and twenty twenty five as record this
not a lot, but still then you pull apply.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
That by thousands though, and it does add up, and.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
You pulled him you had all and then you pull him.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
The balls of these people because they do what they're
doing all along. We even had you know, the magazine was, uh,
we were putting all kinds of stuff are there, and
and going into this, they knew what they were going
to do. Once sid was out. There wasn't a whole
lot of discussion about, you know what, getting Randy in there.

(18:50):
And I'm sure there was, but I think that they
found the advantage of Okay, now we get we can
build this up and then it could help us at
the next event. So it really was and to the
WWE's credit at the time, you know, they're trying all
kinds of different things. I said before that you know,
Vince had a great team of promotional people behind it.

(19:11):
It wasn't just they weren't necessarily you know, guys that
were wrestling people. They didn't come from wrestle. They came
from promotions and what got people's butts into seats and
what would get people to buy a pay per view
and spend almost thirty dollars to get it. So they

(19:32):
were experimenting to see how people would react to this stuff.
And as I said, was this was laying the carpet
here as we would see the Golden carpet as it
would transpire in the years to come of how they
would do these events. So it was it was an experiment.
They were willing to risk, maybe some fan hire to

(19:55):
get there. But you know, overall, I don't think people
it wasn't a point where it was a disaster and
people were going, I will never watch the WWE again.
There wasn't that. They may have been disappointed, and we'll
talk about the big main event, but overall, you know,
I think that it was a time where you know,

(20:16):
they were there was a lot going on, and they
were trying to find ways to keep that audience and
keep people coming.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I like that because you know, you go back a
year ago, it's a very series nineteen ninety. There's a
little like blurb that Saturay Night's main event is going
to be tomorrow night. So they already obviously taped this
event and it's WARR versus Billion Dollar Man. So during
the spivspery is nineteen ninety, it's barely there, but they
acknowledge it for like a split second on the bottom
of the screen that war is gonna fight willion dollar Man.
And I don't know if someone said, like, oh, that worked,

(20:47):
Like we had an event before the other event that
we could use to promote this. So maybe you see
a ratings pop you think we can pull the same
shit off, but with a pay per view that you
know on NBC. Let's charge people ninety five because I'll
be honest, it's not.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
That big a deal.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
But if you're going to clearly start this event off
with a commercial for this Tuesday in Texas as As
like me convincing my dad to pay for this or someone,
I might be a little upset.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
But the event's not terrible, but it's not great.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, And and our motto really was you can't promote enough.
I mean, for God's sake, people had to see my
mug three times in every single show of promoting something
or and then that would include a special report with
Gene and all we were doing was selling and so
it was something that people had very much gotten used to.

(21:41):
But yeah, to just kick it off, but in a
way that was creative, I thought, you know, have why
not start with the with the President, the authority of
the WWE right there at the beginning, telling you what,
you know, what's going on, because you all wanted to know.
There's all these questions out there and we've got to

(22:02):
get them answered. So what we're gonna get the authority
on right away and just set it up at the
same time selling it up.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
True, true, I do like the first match though. They
listen to these people.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Get Rick Flair, who just came in to the WWE
just a few months before that. He's got the Mount
t Tidy Bassi, Million Delaman, and the Warlord. They're taking
on Roddy Piper, who has a storyline with Ric Flair,
Brett Hart, who's the storyline with the Mount Virgil, who's
the storyline, Million Delaman, British Bulldog storyline.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
With the Warlord.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's like everything matches up perfectly here. And Rick Flair
does have we talked about on a Ric Flair episode.
He has a championship belt that they are trying to
blow out, but yet it have been informed it's a
ww tag team title, a little blueish and it's missing
some things on the side, So in reality, he's holding
up a tag team title at the harvesteries in front

(22:57):
of the audience and they're.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like, I'm sorry, I thought leading ado with champions.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Don't get it too close to that camera there, mister,
because people like you would recognize what the heck it
really was. But you got the point what he was
trying to shoving in and hold Cogan's face. I'm a
real champion and creating that. But as you mentioned that,
that was a surprisingly good match. I think going in

(23:22):
I didn't expect it to be much and and especially
you know the warlord in there who couldn't do a
tremendous amount because all those muscles got in the way.
But uh, it really it it was surprisingly Yeah, a
good a good match. The problem is, I said, then
you get these other ones and then it just keeps
going when you've just got these guys and it's the

(23:45):
storyline of them are you know, tough, tough to get over.
But you know, they did have some drama that was involved.
We'll talking you know, the Rockers and uh and then
that that that big brawl where they just it's actually
one of the best matches and then they come out
and disqualify everybody and uh yeah, it's like everybody's like,

(24:09):
wait a minute, it's like the best thing we've seen
all night. And then you just ding ding ding ding
because he's reason he wins because he's out of the ring.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yes, yes, everyone gets disqualified pretty much except I think
Bulldog and World get out and then the rest.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Is yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It made look like for me if storyline, it made
Rick Flair look like, oh, this guy's important, like he
just won this match against all these other people. Okay, cool,
because that comes a theme throw the night. It becomes
like the Rick Flair Show as time goes on in
this evening. But you know, it made him look great,
I guess. But there's a it's there's an image online
which is so funny because there's a promo before this
soever series where Flair is on the funeral parlor with

(24:48):
Paul Bear and with Hogan and he's yelling a him like,
you know.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
How along I've waited for this moment. He's like, I'm
the real world champion.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's the first time they ever cross paths, and that's
a huge moment for professional rustling because this event really
starts off the idea of, oh ship, we're gonna get
a Rick Flair whole Cogan storyline.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I mean, it's gonna be on pay per view and
it's gonna be at.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Russell and eight, which we had a whole episode about
as well, where that does does.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Not happen, but that it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
The image though, is uh Rick Flair opening his robe,
but it's blurred out because the championship, so it looks
like he's flashing.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Which we're only doing for legal reasons, right, Yeah. And
then uh, and then the big, the big come up
part with you know, Taker and the Ern and then
they're all beaten up on the Hulkster, which yeah, so
uh you know, uh, generating the heat, trying to make
that happen and build that up, and as we talked

(25:47):
about in that episode, uh, you know a lot of
people were surprised that it didn't go from there and
really build up and and something that people were demanding
to see.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I was surprised.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I do like that funeral parlor thing because it's Taker
ripping the cross off of Undertaker. Roddy Piper and Machimen
are on commentary at the time they leave the booth,
they grab chairs.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's not smash hit Rick Flair, he runs away.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
They start smashing to take her, and he's just playing
it off like he's a zombie.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
He can't feel it like that.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
You're really setting up because on television, Undertaker at this
point undefeated. But if you watch like house shows, he's
losing all the time. But if you're watching actually television,
this guy's undefeated. And it's the gravest challenge because I again,
I've watched that pre show beforehand that was free on
the cable Guide television channel if you had it back
in the day, and it's you and it. All it

(26:38):
is is promotional tools for Taker in Hogan in really
hitting home that the theme of this is the gravest challenge,
And I do like that you talk about promotional and
the w that to me is great, like this isn't
just Survivor series.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
This is the gravest challenge for hult Kogan.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah. I And I also want to say that I
loved watching this because now this is a point where
Undertaker has really embraced that character and and you really
see him coming into his own You could see that
confidence that that he had and uh in who he

(27:16):
was in the ring, and the whole way that he
was methodical almost robotic to when he would do something,
and he was really getting falling into that that character
that would you know, carry him for the next umpteen
years here the decades that really, but he before that,

(27:37):
you know, it was kind of he was just I
remember him first coming in and then when he was that,
you know, the Undertaker character, and of course he needed
Paul Baer to help sell that, but and he was
still very understated, which was perfect for what he was
doing in his development. But he was there and and

(27:58):
you could see it. You could feel that press and
so that character was going to be really strong and
he was he was getting really comfortable in it. And
I love when he uh we talk about the match,
but when he was he's leaving and he does the
thing with the the whites of his eyes as he
you know, goes down and he's walking down this thing
and he's carried he's staying in it because he knows

(28:19):
the camera is right there, and I was just like, man,
he is really he is feeling it, and that that
was I love watching that back.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
He drags the World Championship two and that was like
the first time that people weren't wearing it or holding
it up he's I won this thing.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That's great. I'm gonna drag it. I don't care. Yeah,
that it was good. It was amazing stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Speaking of Undertaker, this next matchup, I really want to
ask you if you know anything about this. So the
match that we see on television is Hackstar Jim Duggan,
Sardant Slaughter Texas Tornado in al Mattotor Tino Santana. They
defeat Colonel Mustafa, Berserker, Hercules, and Skinner. Okay, that's the

(29:04):
match we get originally, though, in this matchup, there's three
people missing and they've been replaced by other wrestlers. Speaking
of Undertaker, this one jumps out at me. Ricky the
Dragon Steamboat at this point is pretty much a dragon
person is supposed to be on Jim Duggan's team. He
gets replaced and it's Tito Santana. But yet, the story

(29:25):
that I've read for years is he was asked a
job to Undertaker on television, not at a house show
on television, and he was supposed to lose again a
week later to like really built Survivors series.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
What do you know about this?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Because it seems like maybe he's just like I'm a
dragon I'm not doing much here. I can go somewhere else.
I become a world champion or a tag team champion instantly,
which he does.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah. I don't know the specifics of what Ricky was
thinking at the time. I can't understand why he would
have been hesitant, because you know, they are in a
place to a certain spot, they have a certain amount
of say of how their character is going to go

(30:08):
and uh, doing something like that takes you down a
few pegs for sure. And uh, if if that's the
decision he made and then went to management and told
those guys, now I'm not going to do it, which uh,
you know several of them had done. Well, then you're
gonna you're gonna pay a little price for that, and uh,
and that's what would have happened. But I I don't remember,

(30:31):
you know exactly how that situation went down with him,
But I do know that those guys, Uh, you know,
you've got to keep your place in the pecking order
so that you can have more opportunities on these cards.
And when depending on how it goes down, uh, you know,
they're going to have the center of the ring. And
that's that's that's more difficult to swallow. But if it's

(30:55):
something else where, you know it's a count out or
some kind of DQ or dealings. But I know with Undertaker,
they just wanted him to be a force, that he
was unstoppable. So it wasn't going to go down where
it was, you know, unless it's somebody like Hulkogan, where
he's going to have to perform some dirty d to

(31:17):
make it to walk away with the belt or walk
away with a victory.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It seems like though Ricky Steamboat, when he goes somewhere else,
he always becomes world champion, or like another championship goes
around his waist. The WWE, he won the Icy Championship
from Macho Man Russemania three, and then.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
The story goes, he wanted time off because he's having it.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
He's had he had a baby, so with his with
a child, I can't imagine that went over well. And
then here we are, now, hey, I don't want to
lose the take care. It's like, well we have a history,
now you don't. You've done this between twice now. And
I'm not saying it's right or wrong to say, hey,
I want to protect my character or hey I'll to
be home with my kids. But if you're in this business,

(31:57):
I can't imagine vincing man and be like, oh that
sounds great, Yeah you should do that, Like oh, you
want to the guy I'm trying to build up, you
want to not lose to.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I think we're done here.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, And and that's where you've got the conflict of
as we've discussed that you need a great deal of
confidence and feel like you're a headliner or at least
near the top. And when management comes to you and
says we're going to need you to do this to
put some shine on this guy, you know you're gonna

(32:27):
the pushback comes because yeah, it's going to come to
me at a price, and what do I get in return?
That may have been a situation there, and these guys
want to I want to want to live, to try
and live somewhat normal lives. And these guys get to
a point where they're making enough money or something that
they can take a break, but they're all you know,

(32:47):
Remember you're you're an independent contract. You're on your own
and if something else happens in the meantime or somebody
else steps up and gets over, well you're screwed. So
you you certainly have to have that that in your
mind that well, if I'm going to do this, I've
got to be willing to accept the circumstances that come

(33:08):
with it, that I may not have my spot when
I come back. There's guys that we're doing really well
at points and took a break or for whatever reason,
got in trouble. But but we're uh and you could
go for a month or six weeks and come back
and they may take you back, take you back, but
you may never get past the mid card again. So yeah,
it's a huge gamble. And you hear that time and

(33:30):
time again from these guys that said, you've got you've
got to ride that wave. No matter what, you cannot
get off the ride. You have to stay on it
for as long as it takes you because you don't
know once you step off if you can get back
on and get back to the place you were. There's
no guarantee at all. And we saw that time and
time again.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh, endless stories of that, endless, endless stories of that.
So yeah, richistinebo quits. So he's not in this Survivsaries
match anymore. And if I was him, you know at
this point he's a fire breathing like character, and he
carries around an alligator sometimes, but reptiles had been banned
by Jack Tunney. So maybe I that's why he quit,
because he was so upset with his alligator and not

(34:11):
being allowed.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
To be a ringsidebedia. I don't know. Jim and Amvila
Knightheart also removed from this match.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Certain slattery places him and on television he's beaten down
by the Beverly Brothers and Rick Flair.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I believe was who's beating him up.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's like, but why is this one of those moments
where they're like, we need our Heart to be a star,
so we remove you from here. Or because the Heart
Foundation kept breaking up and then getting back. They didn't
break up, they would just not be together randomly then
back together. And it's always like Survivor series would point
that out to me.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, well I think that. You know, Jim had his
issues and got in trouble a number of times, and
when that happened, you know, then Brett was on his own.
We've heard the Road Warriors talk about that before or
and uh where you know, when you were in a
tag team like that, you're dependent on other people. That

(35:07):
partner of yours to be there for you. You're you're you're
one and the same in a sense because the two
parts have to work together. I think that they always
knew Brett was very capable of being a solo artist
for the WWE. Uh, but that that tag team was
was really over and at a time when tag teams

(35:28):
were a big part of what we did. So uh,
you know, I think that that was a situation there.
But you know a lot of there were there was
always you can always hear a lot of different stories
about what happened, why did this happen? And you know,
part of it was could have been from management doing
a discipline or whatever. And also it could be the

(35:50):
guys just like I, you know, they're genuinely hurt, they
need time to heal, or they're in trouble. So it's uh,
you know that that went out all the time. That's
that's that's the way the roster was. I spent my
life repairing all of those uh those cards in the
event center. Uh, I've you know where I told you

(36:11):
that we had the red phone and it rang pretty
much every day where something would be would have to
be changed on these cards because of uh, you know,
something going on with one of the guys that they
had to adjust and get somebody else in there to
fill their spots, and then we'd have to you know,
fix the event center and and get those out and
all the shows again.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Mhmm. Yeah, this of adversaries must have been really fun
to do. Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
So Sergeant Slatter replaces him here and he's doing his
whole I want my country back type deal because he
realized he was a piece of garbage about three months
ago at some oversaries, and now he loves America.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Why would we take them back? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
But also, Sergeant Slaughter, you got I love everybody loves yes,
I know, but everybody loves to come back, right they
they he saw the errors of his ways, and uh
it's the old serge and he loves America and he
you know, put his life on the line anytime for
his country.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
And so yeah, I did. I knew that that anytime
he wanted to come back, he would be embraced. And
we should give credit to Sergeant Slaughter just as a worker,
because you know, why do you think he lasted so long?
Why do you think that he was able to work
so much? He was one of those guys that understood
the business very well and was smart about it. He

(37:34):
wasn't that he you know, let them take advantage of
him and do stuff. But he knew the power he had,
what he could do to help guys, help give them
some shine. And also and sometimes in those cases it helped.
It helped the storyline for you, and and and Serge
understood that completely. And whenever they needed him to step in, okay,

(37:56):
reporting for duty.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
He turn his back, America, He turns back.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I round, so you're still mad? Take him back to
Let it go? People, all right, let it go, Let
it go.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
You've had some amazing stories today so far.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And I want to hear some amazing stories about Bull
Big Bully Music, who was only around in the w
W E for let's see, was it mid? Was it
August to November? He does make it the Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Do you have enough said? Enough said? No? I mean no,
there's there's nothing really, there's nothing really to tell.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I mean, uh, he hit a bowler, getting a bowler
hat on and a big mustache.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, it was a whole style of fighter.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Well, but as we've you know, when we get these gimmicks,
that they come up with. Uh and uh. Some of
them are wah wah wah, well huh yeah, listen, hairs
like Edward G. Robinson, Yeah, what do you think you're Moses? Now?
You know, mister a wise guy. You know that, Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's classic.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
It doesn't work, Yeah, I mean it is. And some
of you would just really you didn't always know unless
you're talking gobbledly cooker or something that things aren't going
to go well. But sometimes you think it might have something.
There's a brawler or you know, the the tough but

(39:26):
and people just are like, yeah, okay, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah he remembered me.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Think about it. How many people even remember that guy?
How many dare you? I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I want to get all my big bully abusic t
shirts out in a second.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Don't make me and I don't want to, Yes, I don't.
I don't have anim speaking specifically the character, of course,
not the person get me in trouble.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Hercules that replaced him, and Hercules wasn't doing much more.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I loves he was.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
He was a guy. He was a good guy.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
But this is one of those one of those matches
of the graphic pop ups every November for s and
people just look at it. Go look at the faces
and look at the characters from this time. Jim Duggan
and Sardin Slaughter, Texas, Tornado, al Matador, Colonel Mustafa, Berserker,
Hercules Skinner. Yeah, before we move on though, this is
the first five series that doesn't have names, you know,

(40:17):
the Hulk of Maniacs, the Warriors, the billion Dollar Team.
Every year before this, every team had the Rudes or.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Up with us. Everybody had had a team name. Yeah
I did.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Why not this time? You think.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's a really good question because I remember thinking, well,
how do I promote these guys, you know? And I
would have to say all their names, since I couldn't
just say, you know, before you had the team name
whatever it was. But yeah, they didn't. And and one
thing that I did like about it when we did
have these because it was a showcase where, uh, everybody

(40:56):
had their fans and whether or not they were at
the top of your list, but you you know, you
like these characters. Obviously they were they the ones who
stuck around, had were over somewhat, and it was your
chance to see them and uh to be able to
give them, uh you know, a shot at doing uh
the promos. I like that in these group promos. That
made it easier for some of these guys because they'd

(41:18):
have two lines. All you had to remember is I
go third, you know now, and and don't step on
Mooney's foot because he's got to get the microphone over there.
I mean, that's it. That's pretty much all you had
to do. And uh so it was it was a
great opportunity for to get these guys out there and
and and give them a little shot. Don't think don't

(41:40):
think that Pat Patterson and all those guys were and
Bruce weren't watching and Vince and they might see a
little something that they do in these that h you know,
you didn't want them freelancing too much because you need
to see that because you'd have guys try and do
these big spots and you're like, dude, you can't do
that because we had something else planning. You just want
you just made that one uh big than what we were

(42:00):
at the spot we had going, you know, and then
then then you're in trouble. But they would might see
something that this guy does. They're like, hey, you know,
and he got a good he got a good pop.
Did you hear that pop? So? Uh it did. It
was a chance for these guys to get out there,
and it was it was a showcase for them. So
there were some positive aspects to it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh yeah, no, I was just I loved like the
four by four's, you know, you had all these great names.
It's the first one that doesn't have that, and then
the years before that a couple of years. It's actually
Vince mc mann doing the voiceovers, like tain those are
amazing and this.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
One is just like the grievous.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It sounds like it's starting with Halloween when you actually
Jack Tunny shows up first and then that's like Halloween.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Next up is the world title though it's Undertaker and
Hulk Cogan.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Undertaker wins his first title.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
He went making his debut at nineteen nineties for Further Series,
winning a year later it's Forever Series ninety one. This
is where like the myth of Undertaker really takes off
for a lot of fans, and he's freaking scary. Hell yeah, though,
what was the demeanor heading into this? Were there always planning?
Did you always know?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Next week it's Taker winning the championship and then we
have this Tuesday in Texas and where Hogan's gonna win
it back?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, as I as I mentioned that, you know, Taker
had really come into his own already. And think about this,
he's what twenty five twenty six at this time, very young,
and he has not been in the WWE that long.
But man, he leaps and bounds because he It wasn't

(43:33):
just even the character, it was just that people, you know,
the way, the way he pulled it off, and people
just latched onto that. They I mean, the just the
toll of the bells and then like they boom and
then then you know, that goes completely dark. And you know,
so he was he was ready then. And I said,
you know, he had that confidence, he already had that presence.

(43:56):
So they knew, they knew he was ready to you know,
Vince knew I definitely got somebody here and and another
And another great thing about Mark is that you could
work with him. He he he understood the business early on,
and so uh, you know, and he and he proved that,
and of course he would become the facto locker room leader,

(44:21):
as they say, not not too long after. Once the
Hulk was kind of out of the way and and
would be for for decades. I mean, he was the
guy and so uh uh he knew it and everybody
else knew it, and it was just really a matter
of time. It was like, okay, so how do we
how do we do this? You know? And uh he

(44:42):
also he, as you can imagine, got some opposition from
the Hulkster uh in a sense kicking and screaming, and
of course the controversy surrounding that match and the uh,
the neck injury. Uh you know that some people level
well that's why they turned around and gave it back

(45:03):
to him, you know. I don't think that was necessarily
the case the case, yeah, but but but there was
some controversy and I'm I'm sure you've heard Mark tell
the story about what happened and uh and it never
changed his relationship with the Hulkster change forever at that event.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, And that's what's strange about this because I have
read so much about this so called injury in this matchup.
So we have a decent match. The commentary is incredible.
As I mentioned earlier, I watched this match last night
again because I wanted to just check it out because
I haven't watched it in years and the whole time,
the commentary is outstanding.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
But then we get to the ending.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Rick Flair comes down and as everyone is distracted and
the referee's not paying attention, Tombstone comes up. Rick Flair
slides a chair underneath the ropes, Tombstone on the chair. Okay,
at this point in time, if you watched enough WWF television,
take he never slammed your head to the ground.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Taker, is this far away, probably even.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Longer if I could get back more this far away
from the chair from anywhere?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, take Taker wins that way on television.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
They played up on television like Hogan's been destroyed by
this chair.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
He needs help, He's he's shocked.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But then yeah, the story that comes out of this
is Hogan even goes to the hospital after this because
he is injured because the Undertaker apparently slammed his head on.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
The chair on the match neck.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, and Taker never watched this match, so for years
went by.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Well, no, he did, he did. It wasn't it wasn't that.
I mean, he did get to see it, not too
far after the way he tells the story is that
you know, of course we didn't have instant replay back then,
but it took a few days and he hit. He
says that, you know, he had a house event the
next night. I mean, these guys had to keep working.
But before we even talk about that element of it, uh,

(47:00):
there was a little bit of like Hulk, if I
want to call it disrespect or just his his resistance
to what was happening, is that the Undertaker, uh, Tombstone's
him before then and and it's a classic, it's a
classic Undertaker Tombstone. Well, Hulk pops right up, no sell,

(47:21):
no cell, just boom right up. And I'm thinking, now,
come on, uh, you know, sell it a little. I
get I could see maybe you getting right getting up,
but give me, give me the hulkster uh you know,
the three arm kind of thing. You know. He pops
right back up and like and you know, and then
Undertaker turns around, if you recall, then he's just and

(47:42):
then he's used to being able to turn around and
methodically go over and cover the guy and holds right there. Okay,
So then you have that, and then you mentioned Okay,
then the chair comes in and as Undertaker tells the
story that you know he was that you know, uh
uh halk was somebody who didn't for these pay per

(48:04):
view events. If let's say it was you know that
seven thirty Star times Hulk would be there maybe at
four uh uh. Mark was said, he got there at
the arena like noon, and he's and and he says
he saw that the Hulk Houlkster was there. He's like,
that's kind of weird. And the first thing he does

(48:24):
when he sees the Holster was hey, can we talk?
Hey brother, can we talk? You know, and he says,
you know, uh, you know, I got this bad next,
so I got to I want to make sure you know,
when you do your thing, you're going to take care
of me. And Mark's like, oh, you know, yes, absolutely,
because I pride myself, you know, in how I take
care of people. I wrap, I make sure they're they're safe.
And uh, you know, as you said, you look at

(48:44):
all those nobody's head ever even gets close. He's just
that good at it. And when he does that that
bit with the chair as Rick sends that in and
did you do you probably did the same thing I did.
I had it and I throws it as he goes
down and what we're talking maybe a good eight inches more.

(49:07):
You know. He even went way as it's it was
almost like I don't know how you saw you know,
you could sell it was so far up because he
was especially he wasn't even you know, isn't dropping him
on the canvas. He was there was a steel chair there,
so you know, he's taking extra precaution. And you know,
then immediately he says that when Hulk is, oh you
got me, brother, yeah, you know, and then he's in

(49:27):
the ring for ten minutes and uh, you know, and
like he's talking and he's you see him with this,
can I feel my extremities? It says, and you know,
Mark's already gone back and he's freaking out. He's freaking
out like, oh my god, I broke Hulk Hogan's neck
the franchise the Golden Goose. I'm dead, my career is over.

(49:50):
And uh, you know, he's like, where's where's Hulk And
he's he said, he's in Vince's office on the floor
telling him like call my call my wife and my kids.
And he's behind you know, he's in an area there
that with with Shane and he's and Shane's telling him
like he wasn't close. And uh and then as you mentioned,

(50:13):
like after this he couldn't see it, and the boys
but the other boys are telling him that we're watching backstage,
are saying it was not He never not even close.
There's no chance that. So when he did again eventually
get to see it, and he's like, okay, now what
do I do? I can't go, uh you know, take

(50:35):
Holkster to the showers and uh, you know, settle it.
And he and he approaches him and says, you know,
I I saw the playback. He goes, I see your head.
Your head didn't even come close. And he's like, well
you had, brother, You had me too high tight. I couldn't,
you know. And that's why I had no room to
roove and I jammed And he said right there, because

(50:56):
that's all I ever needed to know, and that he
told he was you know, he said, I showed respect
to him the rest of career. Whenever he was around.
I always made sure I was there. But that was
it for him, and uh, whatever reason, maybe there was
that a little bit of a risk resistance. I don't
think that it was a ploy to get the belt
back the next week, but it wasn't, especially for where

(51:19):
where Mark was in his career. It was like, come on.
You know that was that wasn't a nice thing to do,
And that's putting it mildly, you know, in a sense
that that was just left up.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Well, we've heard stories before other wrestlers being like hey,
like triple ah Chum Michaels looking at the rock and
eyebrow thinking I don't think it's gonna get over. I'm
taking a wild guess that it's Undertaker rising up and hopas.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Like like I'm not hoo Kogan.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But any story that really comes out that appears in
the seems like they all line around, some lying, some deceiving.
But as someone who's been on top for so long,
I can imagine that's what has to be done. Unfortunately,
to continue being the golden Goose, Well, how do you
say the golden goose?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
You have to stomp out the rest.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
You got to protect yourself and you know, uh and
I and I remember that. I remember backstage to all
the guys are saying, man, what the you know? But
they're not going to say anything to people who really
count because they don't want to damage their career. But
that was really the feeling backstage was like what what happened?

(52:32):
People are you know, people were thinking, Okay, well, maybe it,
you know, triggered something because Hulk did have a neck
injury and maybe just the jarring of it. He didn't
have to hit his head for it to do the
damage it did. But I think overall, because these guys
are professionals and they had taken uh, you know, that
move because it certainly wasn't something that was unique to

(52:56):
just the Undertaker, but you know, and so they know
they know, and uh that was that was the feeling backstage.
So but you, like you say, you got to you
gotta ProCheck yourself. Hulk Cogan openly admits when they tried
to unionize that, yeah, he went to Vince and told him,
I don't want to do this because he's I was
making all this money. I'm not going to sit there

(53:18):
and jeopardize my income. And that was that kind of
bit of you're on your own kid. You you do
what you've got to do to survive. And he would
have never did what he did it did in the
world of professional wrestling if he didn't have that mentality.
You can't always let somebody step in front of you

(53:40):
being he can't always be polite. You got to look
out for number one and he did and it and
it served him.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well right, didn't serve the rest of people around him,
but obviously for him, that's what he wanted, that's what
he got, that's what he did. And uh, you know,
we'll have to wait and see how that turns out
for him, but uh, yeah, it's the take.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
You're winning the championship.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
And we got Jack Tunney more in this Tuesday in
Texas promoting it, saying, you know, I can't do anything
about it. Even though I'm the president, I can't do
anything about it. The referee, what he did.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
It stands.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I can't change that.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
But I will book a match for this Tuesday in
Texas between Undertaker and Hulla Cochin for the championship.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
And this just came up. I just came up with that.
So this is what we're gonna do, is get this settled.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's how he does it. Everything's like Macha manager, don't
like each other.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Consulted and consulted with ben people and the parties involved. Yeah,
there was this is what this McMahon wants us to do.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
There were beakdoor beakers and we're working hard all night
for this, but we've made it now and this is
where before it was like, Okay, it's happened a couple
of times. This is really where this Tuesday in Texas
the series turns into that commercial for it because they
won't stop talking about this event because the back cabin
of Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, this is where we can talk about what we
want you to do on Tuesday. So that, yeah, that's
exactly what it all came down to. And as I said,
this is a two part series that we're doing here, Steve,
because we're going to talk about this Tuesday in Texas,
which was very memorable also for me because a few

(55:26):
of the events and it's the kind of a teaser,
but my time backstage with the macho man Randy Savage.
So we'll talk about that when we get there.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yes, I can't wait for that.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Beverly Brothers, the Nasty Boys versus the Rockers and the Bushwhackers.
All you need to know about this matches that it
begins the Rockers storyline of Hey, Marty actually kicks Sean
in the face. It's eliminated, but on commentary, any review
you look up about this, it's Girl of Monsoon mistakenly
not paying attention at all, and he just rare.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
He's like, what's going on? He's like, why shall I
his face? Why is he why is he walking away?
He got pounded out.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
What's happening? Does that happen a lot? What kind of
a teammate is he? Dude?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
He's the face.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, I'll give that to Gorilla. I'm letting that. That's
a pass. You get set on me, but forever I
love Gorilla.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
So yeah, of course that's all that match really was.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And then the main event is Legion of Doom and
the Big Boss Man, which could have had Macho Man
take on the Natural Disasters and I R S which
could have had Jake the Snake Roberts.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Well, we didn't get that.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
The crowd goes home happy the baby Faces win. Is
that why Hogan and Taker? You think is the third match?
Or that's just the beginning of how to promote this
Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
That's as I told you, That's was the purpose of
it was to allow them to spend the other half
of this event plugging the next one. And uh, you know,
uh take it for what it was, but it did it.
Comp is what they'd set out to do. That's what
they wanted to do, and they were able to, you know,

(57:04):
have the the backstage interviews, the outrage building it up,
and it was another way to look at Okay, So
how can we promote these things? We can do them
within events, But then you got to walk a fine
line where people aren't going, I'm watching a freaking commercial here,
or that is what I paid my money for. So
you can get you know, just set me up to
get more from me, and will you deliver next time?

(57:25):
I hope so, God, But I guess I'll have to
come back and pay a little more to find out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, again, everyone seems to be happy. But again, the
last thing is you're backstage two. You're like, Colgan won't
talk to me. He won't talk to me.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh well, I guess he won't talk to you. Let's
go to that door. That door in your face happened
a lot to.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You, Actually, a lot of doors slam in your face
on television.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah. I didn't take it personally, Yeah I did, and
it's still hurts.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
It still still hurts.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Thanks for bringing it up, Steve.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
It was in the notes. You will mention this, please.
I want to cry on camera.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
But the last thing we actually see is how Bobby
Haanen earlier was yelling that the whole comania is dead
because take your beating for the championship.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
The last thing we see, it's very cryptic, it's very scary.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
It's me Jean, it's it's Taker, and it's Paul Bear
pretty much saying like this Tuesday in Texas and they
promote that match, and it's very scary because you see
a casket close on the camera and that's the end
of the event, which is what a what a happy Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, when I learned something else today, you're doing an
acceptable Paul Bear, very nice.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I love I love him in this.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
If you watch enough wrestling and you watch Paul Bear here,
he's living around for a few months, so his character
is solely developing itself. He came in very morbid, very
like quiet, and now this one he's like, oh, it's
like shaking the earth at the camera, dude, this is
this is peek Paul Bear.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
But yeah, that's that's service series ninety one.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Though he could he pulled that that roll off really well,
and you know, and he had that you know, he
had the fleshy hand. Even when he shook his hand,
he was he was a perfect mortician. I would not
put it this way. You wouldn't let your teenage daughter
near him. Think that creepy factor that he was able

(59:13):
to radiate. So yeah, he was perfect, perfect for that role.
Love was The.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Last thing before we wrap this up is though, the
ending is your Survivor series. You know, last year we
had the Grand Finale match, where every winner of every
Survivis Series match would eventually go into a final match,
the Grand Finale.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Good guys, bad guys.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
This one didn't have that, but in the magazine months
prior it did promote that Survivor Series was going to
have the Grand Finale. But also I used to get
Christmas magazines from the ww sent to me in March,
so I'm not judging, but in the timing never matched
up on the magazines two events ever.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
All right, but let's let's be honest. You WWF magazine
was not the New York Times, it wasn't where everything was.
It was also a promotional magazine. It just we had
people write articles in between merchandise shots. Okay, So if
that was that was right, if that was considered your
dirt sheet, but that you were in trouble, I'm gonna

(01:00:14):
call up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I'm calling up the Macho Man line right now and
I'm gonna say I want him re stated for Starbaceres anyone.
But next week we're talking about this Tuesday in Texas.
We'll talk about that event and your experience with the
Macho Man there. But thank you everyone for watching. You know,
I'm C faull he Shaw Moude. Have a wonderful day
and we'll see you next time.