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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The Red Apple Media Podcast Network presents This is Protecting America.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here's Emmy winning journalist Rita Cosby.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And welcome to another edition of Protecting America. I'm Rita Cosby.
So how heightened is the threat environment on our homeland
right now? With the war on Iran and many other issues? Well,
let's discuss this with former Secret Service special agent and
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also former Homeland Security Department advisor, a great security expert,
Charles Marino. Charles, it's great to have you here, hey, Rita.
What keeps you up at night? Charles?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, well, keeps me up at night? Are all the
threats that came across the border during the Biden administration?
I think anybody in the law enforcement and intelligence agencies
would tell you the same. We know that threats from
around the world were allowed to infiltrate the United States
and they are now within our borders. That are not
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only including physical threats, but also the threats of ongoing radicalization.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
How poorly thattted clearly was it during that time? I
mean we know that there have been reports I think
it was over two hundred plus known or suspected individuals
on the terrorists watch list. I mean, that's just the
tip of the iceberg, right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, it is it's not only those that were coming
across the border in the gotaway buckets, but also those
that were being intercepted and those that were coming in
the legal pathways like asylum and refugee status, temporary protective
status that were unvetted being allowed into the country from
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over one hundred and eighty different locations, including many special
interest locations. So as a result, not only did we
have a lot thousands of physical security threats, but also
those that were coming across that would then go on
to continue efforts like radicalization within our own borders.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You know, some of the recent cases obviously have raised
a lot of alarm bells. How much though overall, do
you think the war in Iran is playing a role
where it's sort of stirring up the hornet's nest of
crazies even crazier.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, I think US action against Iran serves as an
activation event based on those that are already in the
United States and those that will view the actions that
the United States took against Iran as a call to
activate within the United States, whether part of a terrorist
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organization which we don't have firm details on right now,
or those that are lone wolfs, and we've seen many
examples of those activations, whether it's Austin, Texas at Old
Dominion University in Virginia, or in New York City or
in Michigan. So this is all very concerning and unfortunately
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we should expect this to continue.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Do you believe that there are many sleeper cells that
are just sort of waiting to get activated? We heard
from President Trump Charles that he is aware that there
are sort of Iranian sleeper cells, but he said we're
keeping an eye on them. We know where they are.
Do you believe that we have a handle on them?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, these threats are always a needle in a haystack,
and thanks for the Biden administration, that haystack has become exponential,
and so it's put agencies like the FBI at a
cig magnificant disadvantage to detect and disrupt these threats going forward. So,
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you know, it's very hard to say, as Donald Rumsfeld
used to say, there's a lot of unknown unknowns in
the equation, And unfortunately that's where we are right now.
And I don't think that US law enforcement or intelligence
has a firm grasp on how detailed and how extensive
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these threats are.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, you know, how could they because so many of them,
to your point, are got aways. Where just so people
listening understand, those are individuals who we have no idea
who it is. They're just sort of a little dot
that they see having crossed the border but not stopped,
and they have no clue of that person's identity, right,
so how could they have track of every single one
even if they do the best they can trying to
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clean up.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now, well, that's right. And even though these gotaways have
paid the substantial amount of money to work with the cartels,
which have now been designated as foreign terrorist organizations, to
come across the border as god aways and evade detection,
even though there was a probability they'd be left let
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into the country. These god aways went above and beyond
in terms of the cost that they were paying to
the cartels to evade detection, and now they're in so
one must ask why why were they willing to pay
so much money to avoid detection to come into the country.
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We've seen a two thousand percent increase, for example, from
Chinese foreign nationals eighteen to thirty five years of age
primarily males. Why was China willing to infiltrate the United
States to such a great extent, And I think, unfortunately
the answer is very clear.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, how big of a threat, like you said, and
many of them we're military age men. There's also been
a rash of them obviously trying to infiltrate military bases
in the United States or buying a farm land, even
buy military bases. So obviously that can't be good news.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No, it's not good news, which is why I continuously
state that the first strike may not be via missile,
but from inside the United States, targeting our critical infrastructure,
to target our power grids are water sources. There's no
quicker way to bring a nation to its knees than
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to wipe out the electricity and water and other critical
infrastructure that allows for the very survival of a country.
So we need to be paying attention to this. I
know the White House is very concerned about it, and
we have nobody to think but the previous administration under
President Biden for the conditions that have now created the
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elevated threat environment that we find ourselves in now.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And you know, you bring up also the potential of
like cyber and hacking and all that. One of the
big things in the Department of Homeland Security bill, as
we know that the Democrats are fighting against. The funding
of it, entails also CISA, which is cyber security. I mean,
at a time like this where I would imagine all
the threat lights are blinking red to have Democrats say no,
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we don't want to fund DICE, even though ICE is funded,
but they're trying to say we don't want to fund
DICE for political reasons. Clearly, So when you look at that,
and it's hurting TSA, it's hurting SISA, the Cyber Security Coastguard.
How dangerous is that?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, it is because the Department of Homeland Security is
so much more besides immigration enforcement and border security, and
the lights are blinking red. And so I view it
as Democrats committing literally political suicide here by continuing to
gamble with the lives of Americans, and they need to
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fund the Department of Homeland Security in its entirety. The
two thousand and two Homeland Security Act clearly describes what
agencies need to be involved in the Department of Homeland
Security and what agencies are necessary for protecting the homelands.
So that requires funding the department in its entirety. Enough
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of the political games by Democrats.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, it is really frightening, especially right now given everything
that's happening. I want to talk about a couple different cases.
Let's first start with I guess the case in New
York where there were these two teenagers who threw devices.
You see it clear as day, they're throwing it at
this protest, and luckily the devices didn't go off. But
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it turns out these two guys were essentially radicalized it
looks like online. One of them said that they were
watching the teachings of Anwar al Alaki, who's sort of
a known ISIS guy, and another one said, you know,
I did it for ISIS. So you've got these different
reports out there about these guys. How dangerous is that
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these young people that you know suddenly are drawn to
ISIS online? If that's the full story.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, it may start online, it may start as travel
to special interest locations, which I would hope are law
enforcement and intelligence agencies like the FBI would pick up on.
But the difference is it's now allowed to continue within
the borders of our own country based on these communities
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like dearborn Michigan and places in New York City and
LA that are now allowed to continue to radicalize. The
problem here is that radicalization is taking place each and
every day within the United States. Look no recently and yesterday,
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as you saw these protests in support of Hezbollah, a
known terrorist organization, which is why we've got a big
problem here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You know, you hit it on the head, Charles, especially
with young people, because a lot of the people that
were in these different protests that we've seen where they've
been shouting shame to America and like you said, praising Hesbaala,
praising Hamas, praising the Ayatola. I mean, they clearly need
a better education. That's the nicest thing I can say
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that they have no clue. And you see these young people,
and you see young women out there, I think, why
don't you spend a day in Iran? And there's also
there have been I saw even like gaze for the Ayatola.
I'm thinking, are you kidding me? You would last five minutes? Sadly,
the way that Aron's human rights are I mean this
is they just seem like they are so out of touch.
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Who is propagating this and who's spearheading and indoctrinating these people.
It seems like some of the same people we saw
on college campuses that were anti Israel at that point
and then they were anti this, anti that, now they're
pro Iatola.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, Rita. It's hypocritical, of course, based on the points
that you just rightfully made, and it continues as a
source of radicalization not only for those that are in
the country illegally or were naturalized in from special interest locations,
but also to American citizens who may find themselves susceptible
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to radicalizations. So for US as a country to allow
this to go on in the streets of major cities,
one must understand that this is ongoing radicalization within the
United States. So anyone that wants to critique me for
saying that radicalization is alive and well in the United States,
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look at what was going on in New York City
this past weekend. That in itself is radicalization.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, that's a great point. You're right, And for anybody
who thinks that that's something appealing or attractive is just
shocking when you look at clearly what the Iranian regime
has done. I want to also get to the Michigan
case too, because in that particular case, that was that
crazy guy who drove the truck that was loaded with
gas and explosives that he bought at a fireworks store
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and went through the synagogue, and it turns out that
he was trying to avenge the death of his brother.
But his brother was a hesballa leader according to the IDF.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, this goes to poor vetting on the part of
the United States. It goes to the point of how
our entire immigration system has been exploited, as demonstrated by
the Biden administration, whether it was those coming clear across
the border unvetted, or those utilizing systems like asylum or
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temporary protective status and run around we go the Biden
administration Democrats continue to allow our systems that are in
place to be exploited for threats to continue to come across.
And then we go to the old Dominion University example,
and we see somebody where the courts should have been
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more stringent. Again, United States attorney prosecuting the case for
material support of ISIS. The requested sentencing was twenty years.
They give eleven years, and somebody decides from the Bureau
of Prisons to let the individual out two and a
half years prior to the eleven year sentence. Unacceptable. There
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needs to be accountability because it's costing American lives, and unfortunately,
we see this playing out over and over again.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And you know, it's interesting in that case, as you know, Charles,
I mean, it looked like he got out a little
early for quote good behavior, I mean a good behavior
you have pled guilty to, as you pointed out, material
support for a plot against this country. My feeling is,
you know, you know, throw them in prison and throw
away the key. I mean, it's shocking that they would
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ever let anybody out for good behavior. And then the
other thing is, wouldn't you think a lot of people
have brought this up about probation there should be Apparently
there were multiple years of probation that that individual had,
So where were the probation officers checking on this guy?
Surely he was still on probation, he just got out recently.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, the probation aspect of this failed, and it failed catastrophically. However,
there's also orders on the books that are supposed to
prevent national security, specifically terrorism charges from being released early,
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no matter what part of the sentence. In guidelines they
take part in, whether it's drug rehabilitation, they're not supposed
to see their sentences decrease. So here you saw a
catastrophic failure of the system in place. But also we
see it in the courts. And you and I both
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know we've seen radical judges be proposed with strong sentences
by the Department of Justice and rightfully so, and then
go out on their own and decrease those sentences on
their own. This is wrong. The threat of terrorism is
not being taken seriously enough in this country twenty five
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years after the TATSA September eleventh, the cause of the
Department of Homeland Security being created, and we need to
get a lot more serious or Congress needs to take
steps to hold people accountable, and that is sanctuary cities,
no more funding, no more appointment of these liberal judges
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willing to discern what they think is rightful justice and
not right justice. This needs to end. We need to
start taking this threat more seriously.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, no doubt. And you also brought up the fact
that some of them were naturalized citizens, Charles Marina, So
how could they still keep their citizenship status, especially the
old dominion case that guy again pled guilty served time
for tied to a terrorist plot against our country, and
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he still gets the privilege of being an American citizen
natural Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
No, I think there needs to be a carve out
that when we discover these threats, if you're part of
a naturalized citizenship, whether it's through marriage or any of
these other programs that I just mentioned, asylum or refugee status,
you are gone. So we do need to strengthen our
immigration systems on that front. But in the same respect,
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I think Republicans and Donald Trump have proven that you
didn't need overall legislative reform when it comes to protecting
the border and enforcing the immigration laws on the books.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, exactly, just you know, look at enforcing them appropriately
on the books. You know, one case we didn't talk
about before I let you go, Charles, is this case
in Austin, Texas. This is this guy who had you know,
the Allah shirt on it was like property of All
on the outside, and then he had a T shirt
underneath that had an Iranian flag on it. So, I mean,
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this is really frightening that it's these individuals that suddenly
and apparently had some issues before where it's some run
ins with the law driving recklessly or other things, but
obviously suddenly goes into this bar area and opens fire.
This is really frightening because we are just in the
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beginning of this and it's an election year and emotions
are high, politics are high.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
RITA. We should not be allowing immigration from special interest locations.
It's that clear. These children from special interest locations are
taught to hate America as early as we have taught
to swing baseball bats here in the United States. And
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it's not applicable to our values. It's not applicable to
our culture, and these immigrants have no plans on assimilating
to US values and cultures at any time in their life.
This is why these segregated communities in places like Dearborn,
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Michigan are very dangerous. This is where the radicalization continues
to take place within the United States. We better wake
up know that this is not practical to American values
or culture and diminish their impact on the country. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And if they don't love this country and appreciate this
country and come to this country with putting America first
and putting freedom first, we all have an enormous problem
and it's going to be felt for generations to come.
Everybody be sure to subscribe and share to this podcast.
Charles Marino, this was so eye opening, so important, and
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thank you you just for your great insight on so
many of these different important cases. And we are always
praying and rooting for America and it's great to have you.
Thanks Rita and everybody. I'll be back soon with another
great addition of protecting America. And of course you can
catch me every weeknight ten pm to midnight on the
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legendary WABC Radio. This is Rita Cosby and thanks for
all you do to protect America