The Poison Ivy League

Hosts Beck and Dash open the Queernecks episode discussing a frightening car incident in Toledo where their dog Ru appeared to have an asthma attack and has a vet appointment Monday. They then talk about modern roast culture after seeing clips from the Kevin Hart roast, including Chelsea Handler’s jab at a MAGA comedian, mention Tony Hinchcliffe’s George Floyd joke, and discuss boundaries, context, and craft in comedy, referencing Penn & Teller’s Bullshit, the Aristocrats joke, Gilbert Gottfried after 9/11, and Seinfeld’s “political correctness” complaints, plus “retro sexism” in advertising and SNL’s post‑9/11 Giuliani moment. They touch on British competition shows, Dash’s faculty job interview and higher-ed pay/culture, a satirical “buy here, pay here” sponsor bit, car histories and maintenance, and Beck’s “noun of Appalachian interest” on Matewan, WV and the 1920 Mine Wars. They close with movie ideas, audiobooks, biking/cleaning plans, and queer music recommendations.

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00:00 Podcast Welcome

00:26 Ru’s Scary Asthma Attack

01:33 Living With Asthma

02:57 Kevin Hart Roast Fallout

04:31 When Roasts Turn Cruel

08:10 The Aristocrats and 9/11

10:45 Can You Joke About Anything

15:15 Retro Sexism in Ads

19:15 SNL After 9/11

22:26 British Reality Competitions

23:17 Great Pottery Throw Down Love

27:27 Faculty Interview Nerves

32:15 Campus Ego and Low Pay

33:51 Writing Routine and Online Teaching

34:41 New Job Logistics and Summer Break

35:13 Sponsor Buy Here Pay Here

37:34 Car Histories and Salvage Rides

40:35 Oil Changes and Four Wheel Fun

43:39 Noun Matewan Mine Wars

47:03 Appalshop and Film Talk

49:53 Queer Cinema Pairings

53:39 Audiobooks Count as Reading

55:23 Scary Movie Plans and Theater Anxiety

59:52 Foxy Merkins Pick and Discord

01:02:58 Wrap Up Music and Goodbyes

Episode Transcript

Beck (00:05):
Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the yehaw in y'all means all.
I'm your host, Beck.

Dash (00:11):
And I am your host, Dash.
Welcome to today's episode
I kind of forgot that's what we were

Beck (00:18):
that's what we were

Dash (00:20):
Just talking away and now Ziggy's gonna be talking to us.
That's fine.

Beck (00:26):
we found out yesterday that RU has asthma.
I,

Dash (00:29):
Or baby.
Do you have to do, do you have todo that thing where you put her in a
box with a nebulizer?

Beck (00:33):
Well, she has an appointment at the vet on Monday.
We were driving through Toledo down 75,and she starts making this noise from the
backseat and we're like, "What the hell?"
And we pulled over in areally sketchy neighborhood.
It was, it was scary.
Like, everything was boarded upand, like, it was just not fun.
And we stopped at this little gasstation, and Shannon did a finger

(00:55):
sweep of her throat because it soundedlike it was, like, clicking, like
there was something stuck in there.
And she was just having an asthma attack,and it went on for about 10 minutes.
Finally calmed her down and she quit.
And that was pretty much all thathappened, but, like, I was ready
to take her to the animal ER.
Like, I didn't know what was happening.
But we called, and they said thatshe'd probably be okay if she had
another episode or her lips started,or her not her lips, her tongue or

(01:17):
her gums started turning blue, youknow, bring her in, So we kept a good
eye on her, and she seems to be okay.
But that was very scary.
I've never had a dog do that to me before.

Dash (01:26):
Yeah, maybe it was,
Maybe she was anxious
being
in the car, or...
I don't know what causes asthma.
in, in other animals.
But sometimes for, for me, mine, don'thave much trouble with it, uh, at anymore,
uh, now that I'm older.
But, if I get into a certain environmentalallergen, then it'll really flare

(01:47):
up and it it's more than I think forif somebody, if doesn't have asthma.
It's
hard to imagine what it feelslike, because it's, it's,
like, yeah, you get the tightness
and wheezing in your chestBut it happens to your
whole body too.
You this like it feels like
a hangover almost.

(02:09):
Um, It's like borderline anaphylaxis
you get feverish and stuff.
I still get exercise induced asthmaoccasionally and environmental allergen
induced Like, I keep an inhaler, but I
mostly only need it when I'm sick.

Beck (02:24):
I keep I also keep an inhaler um, 'cause I have issues sometimes
with, They've said I asthma, butI've never had a real asthma attack.
I've had the tightness and I can'tbreathe very well, that kind of thing.

Dash (02:34):
Yeah.

Beck (02:35):
I'll get to coughing and can't quit, and a struggle
for breath when that happens.
So that's when I use mine.
But I've never seen anything likewhat happened with Ru last night.
It was scary.
And her nickname seems to be comingMonkey Butt because that's what she is.
So it's ru but she's a little Monkey Butt.

Dash (02:52):
Holler Rudy.

Beck (02:53):
Yeah, Rudy, Toot tooting.
Rudy, Rudy, Ru.

Dash (02:57):
Did
You watch
The roast of
Kevin Hart?

Beck (03:00):
I did not.

Dash (03:01):
I mean, I don't recommend it.

Beck (03:03):
Yeah.

Dash (03:04):
But I saw
clips,
which that's how I, engage with
a lot of media that I don'treally feel like actually watching
but like, I, I'm
interested in being abreast of it, you
know?
And if I think
maybe that's just normal foreveryone, but I saw a lot of people.
Talking about it
the one
was the one thing
that was really, people have said alot about is Chelsea Handler's joke

(03:29):
about oh, who was, I don'teven know how to Google
this.
I'm trying to, she was making fun of,
was, who
was--
it?
Chelsea Handler
Yeah.
oh, who the
fuck was this guy?
Something.
Tony Hinchcliffe,
some
MAGA,
comedian, which

(03:50):
that in itself
is conservatives do not
have comedy,

Beck (03:54):
Right.

Dash (03:56):
And
and many a person more educated in comedy
has done a, a think piece on that Uh,one of my favorite, um, deep dives on
it was from a YouTuber named Big Joel.
he has this Like hours longof conservative comedy.
historical analysis going back tolike, the, what you would call like

(04:16):
the inception of the modern stand-upcomic, uh, in the seventies,
late sixties, earlyseventies to present day.
I think that it's calledconservative Comedy
Broke My Brain or
something like that.
So they're just not

Beck (04:30):
so not

Dash (04:30):
but

Beck (04:31):
roast,

Dash (04:31):
all,

Beck (04:32):
first of all, roast become something.

Dash (04:34):
don't

Beck (04:34):
a

Dash (04:35):
that roast has a definition.
and they used to
be private among a group of people that
share a discourse.
They
share a community likethe Friars Club roasts.
that's the, the that has
become popular.
and they started televising those Andthen that brought people who don't know
anything about comedy into the equation.

(04:55):
and It brought ratings into
the equation.
And so roasts changedsignificantly to just cat fighting.
there's a lot
of cat
fighting at roasts andjust being like, cruel
and
weird and
disgusting
and personal
I still think

Beck (05:09):
I think

Dash (05:10):
could say

Beck (05:10):
you say that what

Dash (05:11):
not in the spirit of roast.
did make me
laugh though because it
was a woman calling a
specific thing out.
She, this guy, you know, all of
the, the
MAGA.
Comedians.
said something like,
your favorite pedophile president Is
reinstating the draft.
You must be excited that you canyour money where your mouth is
and go fight in the war or

(05:33):
whatever.
And she said, Or do you pussies only goto the Middle East for comedy festivals?"
Talking about the Riyadh Festival.
So I was like
wow.
You know, "Tell
'em, but apparently that waspar for the course, that kind
of thing Or worse, more personal
was the majority of this
whole event.
And the thing that most people aretalking about specifically, like the

(05:57):
black folks that I follow are talkingabout um, Kat Williams, set on Kevin Hart.
do you know about their

Beck (06:03):
Do you

Dash (06:04):
Kat

Beck (06:04):
No.

Dash (06:05):
Hart
is it's personal, it's legendary and It's
old, it goes way back.
And didn't even try to bringthe others into the room to, it.
He was just up there, speaking practicallyto Kevin Hart and just saying the
meanest shit he could come up with.

(06:25):
And when he got up
there, he goes
like, I can't believethey invited me to this.
like, y'all know I hate this guy.
Right?
And we were like, okay, sure.
That can work.
For instance It
worked in the roast of William Shatner
A lot
of
or a few of his Star Trekco-stars didn't like him much.
Uh, any, a specificexample is George Decay.

(06:46):
They didn't get along
Shatner's, apparently a, a legendary
asshole.
And so George Decay attended the
roast, but he still made jokes.
the kind of jokes at Shatner'sexpense that were professional, right?
About how his weirdacting style or something.
this was just
like apparently beyond the pale.

(07:06):
It was making jokes about him
being at Diddy's, parties.

Beck (07:09):
Oh, wow.

Dash (07:09):
Yeah

Beck (07:10):
The only thing I have really seen about it is, is Black people
talking about how they would notallow that shit from white people.
And I, I didn't watch it, so Idon't know the context for that.
But apparently there wassome racist shit going on.

Dash (07:23):
Oh
there, I think it was this fucking,
Tony Hinchcliffe guy madea joke about George Floyd

Beck (07:29):
Oh.

Dash (07:31):
Why would you do that

Beck (07:32):
oh,

Dash (07:33):
I mean, I guess that's

Beck (07:35):
I

Dash (07:35):
just up what
I
was talking about.
like roasts aren't roasts anymore.
This is something that I I was
talking about this with Claire, which has
got me thinking about
Do you ever watch Penn

Beck (07:47):
What?

Dash (07:48):
Teller's bullshit

Beck (07:50):
Bullshit.
No.

Dash (07:51):
Check it out I

Beck (07:52):
Check it out.

Dash (07:52):
what it's

Beck (07:53):
I
dunno what's

Dash (07:54):
the only one of its kind
And it was just the two of them woulddelve into various topics and decide
if
they were real or bullshit.
Surprising things like I learneda lot about the Cult of Alcoholics

Beck (08:04):
Alcoholic anonymous.

Dash (08:06):
on But they also

Beck (08:08):
they also

Dash (08:10):
on the Aristocrats, which is a famous, This joke really

Beck (08:13):
this joke really s.

Dash (08:15):
from
rest of us, right?
Like, this is a joke.
'cause the punchline is stupid.
It's about the performanceand how you tell it.
and it's, it's
kind of
the,

Beck (08:24):
Kind of

Dash (08:24):
joke of
like a, like a family's
trying
out for a circus act, and it starts off
kind of normal, or whatever.
and they keep
getting into more and more grotesquethings like really taboo things
this family is doing, like scatincest and horrible things to
try out for

Beck (08:42):
to try out

Dash (08:43):
circus.
And then At the end of their
acts,
the

Beck (08:47):
act,

Dash (08:48):
says, Wow okay

Beck (08:49):
wow, okay.

Dash (08:50):
call that And they said, the aristocrats.
And so it's
it's a dumb like, ha ha,it's, it was all low class
humor and but
they're they're named thearistocrats, The dumbest
punchline.
but for comedians, it's howmuch can you embellish the
acts that
these, this family is
doing?
and
how can you how can you make a new

Beck (09:11):
you
make

Dash (09:12):
And how can you pair that with the context of a circus, whatever
you wanna do So they produced a
documentary
called the ArisAristocrats about this joke
which I also recommend.
Really, really fun documentary.
has a lot of

Beck (09:24):
a lot

Dash (09:24):
hitters
in it.
And it, it's actually areally good insight into the
culture of, of
comedians, of standup, if you'reinterested in that kind of thing.
But he tell-
there's a story in
there, pen Gillette tells a
story of a roast.
It was a Friars Club roast
shortly after nine 11.
Gilbert Godfrey was up and he decided
to do a set on

(09:46):
attacks
on,
You know,
he was talking about doing bits on flying,doing bits on, hijacking, what have you.
the audience
they weren't having it, You
know, they sort of erupted in, in,booze and they were saying too soon.
and so

Beck (10:01):
And so
the

Dash (10:03):
on the spot into doing what a lot of people will pinpoint
as the first documented public
performance
of the aristocrats.
And he starts telling his
version of this joke And the way
a lot of people

Beck (10:14):
the way, a lot of people talk about

Dash (10:15):
is that it was
really important.
it

Beck (10:18):
really important.

Dash (10:19):
moment, a paradigm shift
in comedy and roasting.
But to me

Beck (10:23):
But to

Dash (10:24):
it's significant
that there became
something like that
that even comedians wouldn't joke about.
how I don't know We stilldon't joke about nine 11.
Well people do but like, it'sstill pretty rare a lot of people
will say like, Oh that's too far

Beck (10:40):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, true comedy, there'sroom for jokes about everything,

Dash (10:49):
Sure

Beck (10:50):
There's a way to make a joke about literally anything.
It's in the, the approachthat you, you take to it.
There's something funny inevery situation, you know?
I mean, not...
I don't know about George Floyd.
That just seems too far.
There are some things that...
But then again, nine 11, you know,4,000, 5,000 people died in that, and...

(11:11):
I don't know.
What, what what are weallowed to make fun of?
Once we start saying we can't makefun of that, is that censorship?
Is that thought police?
You know?
Like

Dash (11:20):
Well, and I thought about this when Seinfeld kind of decided to tank
his career That was, it was at least10 years ago now, I think, where he
said can't do comedy anymore yada yada
This ain't, you know, like, um, youhave to be so politically correct these
days, that's a stupid take because

(11:41):
no one's asking You
to be politically correct.
They're asking you toimprove your craft the
times, right?
Like, you want to be let off the hookfor not getting any better at comedy.
all of the jokes, like theones you think we should be
making have been made already.
every way that there is to mock atrans person or a disabled person

(12:01):
or a person of color has been
done.
So when somebody says like, okay, great.

" Beck (12:06):
Okay, great.
Yeah."

Dash (12:07):
Another joke.

Beck (12:09):
is

Dash (12:09):
handle my edgy
comedy.

Beck (12:11):
right.

Dash (12:11):
But what's being said is like, you can joke
about race.
Plenty of people still do.
but I need you to be
good at it.
I need it to be worth
my time.
I

Beck (12:22):
Yeah

Dash (12:22):
Just like if I'm

Beck (12:23):
Just

Dash (12:23):
cake, if it's not any
good,
I'm going to
throw it away and get
another
thing to eat that I do enjoy
because it's gotta be worth the
calories.

Beck (12:33):
But on the other hand, there are situations that no matter how bad the
cake is, you would eat it, like in prison.
So maybe there are situationswhere no matter how bad the comedy

Dash (12:43):
that's gallow's humor,
right?
Like

Beck (12:45):
yeah.

Dash (12:46):
that's true.
Context situation all thatis very relevant in comedy.

Beck (12:51):
Yeah

Dash (12:51):
you were saying that folks were pointing out like a white
person couldn't talk to KevinHart the way Kat Williams did.

Beck (12:57):
Right

Dash (12:58):
Maybe even more than that, right?
Like
someone
someone who didn't actually have beef with
Kevin Hart couldn't talk to
him that way.
Kat Williams gets to talk to Kevin HartThat way because he fucking earned it.
over
decades of a But back to your
question of
like, are there some thingsthat are absolutely sacrosanct?

(13:19):
I'm not gonna
I, I'm not gonna, say
that nobody is allowed to try.
Because first of all, I'm notthe one who gets to decide that
I'm not the comedy police.
I'm not the thoughtpolice, but the stakes are
so high that if you do try,you better stick the landing.
Like if you think you're that guy
who has the funny thing to say aboutGeorge Floyd, okay, but like, ask yourself

(13:44):
why taking that risk feels so important.

Beck (13:47):
Right.

Dash (13:47):
Is it
because you believe that?
something needs to be saidand you're the one to say it.
Or are you trying to be
a provocateur?
are you trying to rage bait?
' Because you
can do that but you're not gonnaget flowers for it, because nobody's
gonna find it funny andthat's gonna be your fault.
I have heard some, miraculous...
I've heard some comics pull off some

(14:08):
incredible things withtaboo material, or what you
would

Beck (14:12):
Yeah.

Dash (14:13):
of as taboo material

Beck (14:14):
Yeah.

Dash (14:15):
about the roast battle between between the trans woman
and the guy with cerebral palsy

Beck (14:19):
Like I was thinking, I heard, rape jokes are not funny clearly.
Right.
But somebody made a joke about rapejokes, and that was funny, right?
So they found an angle to talk aboutthe violent thing, but in a way that
was hands off kind of, 'cause theydidn't actually talk about rape,
they talked about the rape jokes.

Dash (14:39):
Right.
Yeah so the a topic itselfis, is not off the table
ever because everyone shouldhave the right to try to say
something interesting about it.
And that's what comedy does.
is It it says interesting thingsabout really tough topics, you

(15:00):
say, make a

Beck (15:01):
If you say,

Dash (15:02):
joke, and it's stupid,"
everyone's gonna call you racistbecause it is racist to make
a stupid George Floyd joke,

Beck (15:09):
Right.

Dash (15:10):
you know that's the cost
of attempting, to boxabove your weight class

Beck (15:15):
It reminds, me of the concept that I teach in class called retro sexism.
it, it's used a lot inadvertising where, like Carl's Jr.
It's a big one.
They have, like, girls playing the, thedo do do do do, do the 4th of July song
over cheeseburgers and fireworks andwomen in sca, scaly Clint, or, you know

(15:35):
not a lot of clothes is what my brain istrying to say in mixing up all the words.
There you go.
My brain could not make that come out.

Dash (15:42):
is
Rough

Beck (15:45):
Or, like, there's a, there's In the, in the video that I show them,
there's a Twix commercial where the guyand the girl are taking the baby and
putting it in the car, and he turns aroundand there's a couple of girls pillow
fighting, and they're like, "For Twix,when you need a minute," 'cause she's
like, "Are you looking at those girls?"
And he's like, "No, honey, I'mlooking at potential babysitters."
You know?
And so they're talking about the waythat we laugh at the wife because

(16:08):
she's so stupid that she believes this.
And the company can take that, and theyknow that they're doing sexism, right?
But because they're trying todo it in a funny way, that they
somehow remove themselves fromthe, the concept of sexism, like
a,
a wink and a nod.
You know what I'm doing, and youknow what, you know, we both know
what's happening here, but it'snot really what's happening here.
We're satire it.

(16:29):
And that's not what's happening at all.
They're actually doing the sexism,
you
know?
in, in effort to circumvent that,
they,
they dive right into it.
And you see that a lot in commercials.

Dash (16:40):
What'd you say you call it?

Beck (16:41):
Retro sexism?
I got that from the, the feministfoundation um, Anna Scar, scar,
Is that how you say her name?
Scar- Scar.
She's the one that, the GamerGate,I don't know how to pronounce it.

Dash (16:53):
I think it's Okay Fuck

Beck (16:56):
But there's a Mike's Hard Lemonade commercial in it, and two
guys are standing there and a littleMike's Hard Lemonade cut out wooden
booth, and they're like talking totwo girls, and they're like, "Would
you like some Mike's Hard Lemonade?
Can you believe there are some men thatwon't drink this because women drink it?"
And he- they were like,"No, I can't believe that."
And then it comes up, he's
like, "Well, I could take you home."

(17:16):
Right?
And they make a wink and a nod
in their effort to be nice guys.
They're actually tryingto hit on the women.

Dash (17:22):
Ian is her last name

Beck (17:23):
There you go.

Dash (17:24):
if
you put us together,would've, we kinda had it
Uh, yeah advertising is You you willfind because it's job for the most part is
to make the broadest appeal possible theworst a society gets or a culture Worse

(17:45):
I can do better than that you can you cansee a society reflect its its ideals in
advertising faster than in other media

Beck (17:55):
Right.
I always, I always show things likeSaturday Night Live and satire because
if you can understand what makessomebody laugh or a group of people
laugh, you know something about them,
if you have people that are laughingat racist jokes and George Floyd
jokes, you know something about them,
that's why I show, like, when I do theAnita Hill Clarence Thomas, I show the
Saturday Night Live cold open wherethey did that, and then I show the

(18:17):
Brent Brett Kavanaugh one, where theyalso did the, the hearing of that.
And then I showed them the actual videosthat they're lampooning, and that's a
very interesting class where we talkabout what's funny and who's allowed to,
to make fun of things and all of that.
That's, that's one of myfavorite classes of the semester.

Dash (18:38):
Gen Z has well this isn't just Gen ZI think also younger millennials had
this conversation about the role humorcan play in normalizing certain things

Beck (18:48):
Mm-hmm.

Dash (18:49):
is valid for sure because the the thing that makes advertising
the fastest place to spot changesin a culture is because its
goal is to rush to the broadestappeal, Whereas other forms of art
can be rewarded by resisting, norma
normative
forces or normalizing forces.

(19:09):
but eventually something like
SNL is going to settleinto that broad appeal.
going back to
nine 11
is a really good example.
The episode they aired that happened.
So
the Saturday following nine11, New York, especially like
downtown New
York City,
is
very,
constructive of
Saturday Night Live.

(19:30):
very much a part
of, of that thing.
so after that
happened,
It's kind of a shame
like go back and watch that

Beck (19:38):
Back that episode.

Dash (19:39):
are moments in it that are regular SNL, but there's also
like you can feel a bit, a little
bit of difference because I-- in my mind,
I I, at like when I was watching it,and I think maybe the audience their
live audience was thinking this, like,which way are they gonna take this?
they wound up pandering, theyhad Rudy Giuliani on and like
tearfully thanked him for being a goodleader during a hard time and stuff.

(20:01):
There's a way to
gesture to that.
There's a way to, to, include atragedy like that that doesn't
bite so deeply
into
ballooning
performative, patriotic,xenophobic zeitgeist.
What the hell day was
nine 11.

Beck (20:17):
A Tuesday.
Sure.

Dash (20:19):
by that Saturday,
it was off the rails
It was terrorism this, the war on terror.
It was, it was really only days
later.
So I understand how it wastough for them and I I can't
imagine making that
call in the moment if I'm Lorne Michaels.
and they like out at theend with some sort of like
Yeah so we we did our part We

(20:42):
talked about it Can we be funnynow Can we go back to being funny
Like, Lorne Michaels turns to RudyGiuliani and asks that question

Beck (20:48):
I think I've seen that clip

Dash (20:49):
are we still allowed

Beck (20:50):
Are

Dash (20:51):
in this, in in this post nine 11 world?
It is a very important moment
in.
contemporary American
history, in public media.
And, and they, they make a joke.
but,
like after all of
that,

Beck (21:05):
all that

Dash (21:05):
hours, right?
It's like two hours long and all the
the crying and the sentimentality
and the American fla of it.
and then to literally
have Rudy Giuliani there
on Weekend update.
Weekend update,
Just watch that.
segment of
that.
episode.

Beck (21:21):
Yeah.
I will.
I'm gonna go back and watch that.
I wonder where they're...
it's probably on YouTube if anything else.
You can find a lot of theold episodes on there.

Dash (21:30):
it's, isn't that

Beck (21:31):
Isn, that n Yeah, NBC.

Dash (21:35):
So I don't know
what their streaming app is called Is it

Beck (21:39):
Peacock,
Yeah.

Dash (21:41):
Well, I'm sure yeah I'm sure it's on there then

Beck (21:44):
That's one of the apps I pay for 'cause of mostly because SVU is on there.
I can't leave Olivia Benson hanging.

Dash (21:51):
do you ever watch
Criminal Minds?

Beck (21:53):
Oh, yeah.
The, the new season startsMay 28th or something.
They're gonna start dropping episodes.
Did you see they started SNL UK?

Dash (22:00):
No

Beck (22:01):
Yeah, London.
there's a couple ofepisodes that have been out.
I watched the first episodethat Tina Faye hosted.

Dash (22:07):
Oh

Beck (22:07):
I haven't watched anymore since then, but yeah.

Dash (22:10):
Okay

Beck (22:11):
It'll be interesting to see if it takes root.

Dash (22:13):
Yeah

Beck (22:14):
Because that's what a show like that has to do, you know?
A show like that has to take root.
Like, people have to buy into it.
People have to take care in it.
They have to care what that,that group of people have to say,
or otherwise it doesn't work.

Dash (22:26):
And als also adaptation across contexts like

Beck (22:32):
Right

Dash (22:33):
this
version of it where
something is exported from the US to au to the UK or, or somewhere in Europe.
It's not,
it doesn't happen
that often and It's not very successful.
Normally We take a lotof their stuff have,
right?
Like, and a lot of our biggesthits have, have been exports,
Um, like
the Office.

(22:53):
A lot of our reality shows
are
just theirs, right
Um, starting with AmericanIdol that's an export.
Dancing
With the Stars is an export

Beck (23:03):
X Factor.

Dash (23:04):
yeah, X Factor
Um, there's a there's a baking shownow But there have been instances
of of us trying to take things overthere and it doesn't work really

Beck (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaking of baking shows, have youever seen the pottery competition show?

Dash (23:22):
The Great Pottery Throw Down

Beck (23:24):
Yes.

Dash (23:25):
seen
every single

Beck (23:26):
It is fantastic.
Yeah, we've watched a lot of it, butthen Shannon got sad because that's
what her degree is in, in ceramics.
She has a, a Bachelor's of Art.
And then she got too sad to watchit 'cause she wanted to go do it.

Dash (23:36):
I really think I'm the one that told you to watch it

Beck (23:39):
Are you?

Dash (23:40):
I think If you watched it recently, cause I remembering this and this was
like a year ago now I think it wasbecause we're talking about Shanna.
but because that's too weird of acoincidence that we would've both seen
the least viewed of the Great Britishbut I don't know but yeah I love it
and the Keith the the the little judgethe way he cries every time he sees

(24:02):
something beautiful it's just so lovely

Beck (24:05):
Yeah.

Dash (24:06):
And
then, because he's like this just big bighearted softy about he just clearly loves
art He loves design He loves executionand creation and stuff and then when he
does his little demonstrations and hepulls off his button up shirt and he's
just wearing the the tank top and he'sgot his guns out and you're like Oh a
there's a a leather daddy under there

(24:28):
for,

Beck (24:31):
Have you ever thrown before?

Dash (24:33):
No I have not and

Beck (24:35):
Me neither.

Dash (24:36):
to

Beck (24:36):
Me too.
Shanna would come home covered inclay and slip and, you know, paint
and all kinds of stuff, and shegot to learn how to use power tools
and it just looks like so much fun.
She had a blast doing it.

Dash (24:48):
Well I I did some sculpting and like ceramics it, but we didn't we
didn't- Use like we just poured intomolds and then sculpted and stuff
and fired it like glazed it and firedit and only in high school yeah,
just, this is not one of the um...
took a lot of art for my electivesin college but you had to buy

(25:09):
your own materials and so Icouldn't really afford much

Beck (25:12):
Yeah.
Well, with tuition came,
um, unlimited clay and things like that.
That was one thing thatyou didn't have to do.
You got to use the departments at Miami.
I,

Dash (25:21):
That's one of them nice schools

Beck (25:23):
Yeah.
Miami is one of the bestschools in the Midwest.

Dash (25:27):
Yeah There's another of those shows called The Great British Jewelry
Making Show Let me see what it's
called.

Beck (25:36):
sounds fun.

Dash (25:37):
Oh, it's excellent as well All let's see You're likely Here's the AI
overview You're likely referring to thehit television reality competition All
That Glitters Britain's Next Jewelry StarIt doesn't quite roll off the tongue Known
colloquially as the jewelry equivalentto Bake Off But you know talking about

(26:00):
like how they like they do a lot of thingsbetter than we do in terms of especially
reality competition is they all have hoststhat they call presenters and most of them
are comedians like the host of PotteryThrowdown for the first not for the first
few seasons eventually becomes Shavon,um, like Irish lesbian comedian McSweeney

(26:22):
Siobhan McSweeney she's a stand-up andshe's hilarious Katherine Ryan is the
presenter for the jewelry show She's aCanadian, British comedian And I still
think about some of the things that shesaid to Me and Claire were watching the
the jewelry one and there was this therewas this dude on there and he was so

(26:44):
sweet and earnest and just dumb as a boxof rocks And he would consistently say
things and I was like What This is givingme the weirdest sensation of what he just
said And Claire's like, It's like beingin a Christopher Guest movie watching
this man It was like watching bestedShow and it that's so accurate I Wonder

(27:04):
what else ones there are What are all theBritish what do we call those Competition

Beck (27:13):
shows?

Dash (27:14):
reality shows Google's like, I got you Category British reality televisions
series Oh good Lord Nevermind brisket.
God dammit.
I know it's the only window open inthe house so I know why you wanna
get in it but it's als I'm using it

(27:37):
I had a job interview on Tuesday

Beck (27:40):
How did that go?

Dash (27:41):
It was fine It was it was fun They were nice I, I've never
interviewed for a faculty gig beforeand so you know the presentation
portion where they give you a prompt

Beck (27:53):
I've never been through it either, so no, I didn't know that.

Dash (27:56):
See if you can serve on a committee on a search committee

Beck (27:59):
I did for the director, but that was totally different.

Dash (28:01):
They didn't do a presentation for that

Beck (28:03):
Not that I remember.
She was the only personthat applied for it.

Dash (28:06):
Oh damn that is scandalous so yeah it's

Beck (28:10):
so yeah.

Dash (28:10):
ed for faculty
or, uh, staff position
It, maybe It's
becoming less customarynow, used to the first time
I was
on the

Beck (28:17):
the first time I was on

Dash (28:18):
uh, interviews were multiple days.
You get, you fly in the
night before, and you have
dinner with a certain group ofinterested parties, you know, maybe.
Some people who would be colleagues,
um, you
know, folks not
it's not super serious,but you're definitely on."
And then the next

Beck (28:34):
And the next day,
you

Dash (28:35):
the hotel and around like, anytime from
7

Beck (28:39):
from 7 eight

Dash (28:40):
ish,

Beck (28:40):
30 ish and you'll have breakfast

Dash (28:42):
another

Beck (28:43):
another

Dash (28:43):
of, interested folks on campus or maybe
maybe some of the
same, maybe, some students
then you'll

Beck (28:49):
and you'll

Dash (28:50):
and start a full day of
half hour to

Beck (28:54):
half hour

Dash (28:55):
slash interviews with
various people.
You'll meet with maybe the
VP of whatever division
the chair of whateverdepartment, the search committee
And
They'll ask you those likeround robin questions.
And then there'll be apoint where you'll give a
presentation of some sort and they'll giveyou a prompt to create the presentation
based on So for all the, a lot of thestaff positions I have interviewed for,

(29:20):
be like,
do a presentation

Beck (29:23):
presentation,

Dash (29:24):
first year goals
and how you'll, accomplish

Beck (29:27):
accomplishing

Dash (29:28):
they'll give you a case scenario
like a

Beck (29:30):
scenario

Dash (29:30):
study

Beck (29:31):
case study,

Dash (29:32):
say the steps you would do to respond to
it.
For faculty, it's either ateaching demonstration or
a demonstration of yourresearch depending on where
you're interviewing.
So I've never done that
one before.
It's
always
it's always been for me, like,what happens if there's a
crisis You know, and how do you
handle this crisis?
or
how
do you respond to this And so this wasvery much like, I could just explain

(29:56):
this to you because it was just sim- it
just felt like a really
simple,
presentation comparedto the ones I've done.
they were like, how would you
Do a demonstration of walking students
through editing a athesis statement from this
kind of paper into
a thesis statement for
another kind of paper so as I was doingit, I felt really self-conscious because I

(30:19):
was describing something extremely simplea group of people who knew how to do it.
And maybe that's what it's

Beck (30:26):
Maybe that's what it's

Dash (30:27):
gigs Um, if anybody out there listening has ever done,
a, has done faculty interviews.
let let us know if
that's normal, but
I just, I was sweating
so

Beck (30:37):
sweating.

Dash (30:37):
I just felt really self-conscious describing something obvious
because it's not my usual experience.
My usual experience, like the
past 15 years has been, I'm theonly person in the room that knows
the thing, and If I don't know it,
then the problem doesn't get solved.
And it's, so, it was
really difficult to go from that gear
to, um Well here's a

(30:59):
here's something you could Google.

Beck (31:00):
Right.

Dash (31:03):
But
You know, teaching isn't about that.
Like,

Beck (31:06):
like the

Dash (31:07):
not it's,
well, maybe It's a different kind of
problem solving.
Right.
Praxis.
'cause one of the things theyasked me was like, the difference
between process and product.
and I was like, wow, youguys are talking to people
that don't know that.
Huh.
Okay.
So it was, like, validating and stressful
at the same time
And then also, like, you mean
to tell me jobs like,

(31:27):
this have
been out here all along,
and I have been dying over
crises for 15 years
for less money.
They seemed like a cool bunch
and I liked that it was a community
college.
'cause uh, there's a job the, the same jobas posted at the university that just me.
I shall not be applying for it

Beck (31:45):
Yeah.

Dash (31:46):
Their culture is
just awful.

Beck (31:48):
Why would you go back into the fire?

Dash (31:49):
Not only that, but they call themselves, hang on.
It was
Ivy of the Prairie
Yeah.

Beck (31:57):
Well, that's-

Dash (31:58):
Listeners you
can
imagine the faces we just made
Maybe
you heard the
faces we just made

Beck (32:06):
Of all the things you've told me about that particular school, that
its Ivy League caliber was not oneof the reactions that I have had.

Dash (32:16):
They have, they've not updated their impression of
themselves since the nineties, which

Beck (32:21):
Do they mean like poison ivy?

Dash (32:24):
M lock.
And like.
dream big, you know, um, dressfor the job that you want.
I can't, from everything I cantell it was a big deal back in the
day, you know, for for some veryspecific reasons that there was a
couple of really influential peopleon campus that made It their whole

(32:46):
personality their whole identity
impact the school in certain ways Andthose people have gone and it's just
slowly deflated like, a weird balloon.
so, because when I came here and theytold me that and I was like, really?
And yet they posted this job that his PhDrequired with a starting salary of $52,000

(33:10):
You want somebody with a PhD in philosophyto move to the surface of the moon
for $52,000?
Why would they do
that?

Beck (33:19):
Right, because they're desperate, and that's, that
you can sort of live on that.

Dash (33:23):
Yeah and so like what kind of cognitive dissonance- Is that, it, have
they finally realized, okay, maybe we'renot all that because nobody's applying
to our jobs, do they still think that
people would come to work
here for
that amount of money because they'rejust, lucky to be here feel lucky
to be here That's how they see thestudents as well don't know This

(33:44):
has become a higher ed podcast

Beck (33:46):
Poop.
There, I just brought it back down.

Dash (33:51):
Have you been writing

Beck (33:53):
I have.
I've been, ... Not yesterday,'cause I took the day off.
But the day before that and theday before that, I added pages.
So,

Dash (34:01):
that's the way it
gets done.

Beck (34:03):
I- that's the only thing I- was, I'm teaching a class online right now.
But I got everything done forthat class by Tuesday morning,
and I haven't touched it since.
Basically they have some assignmentsdue and then a discussion board,
and I have to respond to so manyof the discussion board posts.
So I just went in and did allof those at once, and then made
sure everything was graded.
And I don't have to touchit again until Monday, so.

Dash (34:25):
For the the other university

Beck (34:28):
Yeah.
It's pretty cut and dry,

Dash (34:30):
Yeah.

Beck (34:31):
And I only put maybe 10, 12 hours a week into it.
And the extra income is very helpful, so.
And it forces me to get online and befocused and, and that kind of thing.

Dash (34:41):
if I wind up working for these folks and it
that's of...
It's not a huge if.
They already called and asked for myreferences, so they're gonna offer.
they'll need to agree to some thingsfor it to be physically possible
for me because it's a 90 minutedrive and they may not be able to
having summers off I don'tknow what that's gonna be
like what is that life like

Beck (35:01):
I enjoy it thoroughly

Dash (35:02):
right

Beck (35:03):
Five stars.
Highly recommend it.

Dash (35:05):
Crazy

Beck (35:06):
Great.

Dash (35:07):
Well, maybe it's

Beck (35:08):
maybe it's

Dash (35:09):
this

Beck (35:09):
to hear

Dash (35:10):
who I have forgotten.
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Dash (37:38):
This delay has got us like having twinning moments.
I have never, because that'sone thing there, there are
certain like fiscal things that
my parents were absolutely
dead set
on me knowing.
and
so avoiding the buy here, pay
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if

Beck (37:55):
Yeah.

Dash (37:56):
to be true it is

Beck (37:58):
So I've only ever bought two cars off of a lot both used.
Every other car that I've hadhas come from a impo, not an
impound yard, a uh, junkyard.
Because my dad would rebuildmy car's, uh- Salvage.
My first car was a, my Geo Metro, andit, my, we went out driving, and we went,
and my dad was like, "Pick one out."
And I picked out aMustang, and he said no.

(38:20):
so then I picked out the Geo Metro, andhe is like, "Okay, that's more our speed."
And then I drove that until I gotmy Hyundai Accent, which was a
graduation present, which came inon a flatbed, crashed the front.
And then I had the car that Ibought, my other Hyundai Accent
that I bought off of a used car lot.
But I paid like $12,000 for that, soI had a whole car loan and all that.
And then after that one ran out,I had the car that my dad gave me,

(38:42):
the Malibu, and I drove that thingfor 200,000 miles for like 12 years.
And then I've got the, theEquinox that I'm driving now
that I bought, I paid cash for.

Dash (38:51):
My first vehicle was given to me It was the the Metro dad had bought it off
of a a local car lot, uh, down in my, Ithink, I don't know if it was Williamsburg
or Corbin somewhere around in that areafor $1,900 and he drove it until it had
300 something thousand miles on it it
was falling apart in such specific

(39:12):
ways.
And so he gave it to
me fully thinking that it wouldlast, you know, especially with
the new driver, that
it was,
that it was was gonna
last maybe
six months to a year
and so I drove it for
years.
It eventually
healed itself.
I think I told the story it had an oil
leak, it would,
the

Beck (39:30):
And it would

Dash (39:31):
l leak onto the flywheel,

Beck (39:34):
flywheel,

Dash (39:34):
which was

Beck (39:35):
which is the clutch

Dash (39:37):
basically for the
transmission.
you know when you switch
into a
gear, it's

Beck (39:42):
a

Dash (39:42):
the teeth grab, and then it
takes off, and the oil was
leaking onto that flywheel which

Beck (39:46):
flywheel, also happens.

Dash (39:47):
from the last clutch put on it.
the guy, who replaced it was somebody
Angelico holler.
he didn't rotate the flywheel and soit was only touching on a certain.
like this, And
then it was leaking oil onto that spot.
And So
if I gave it too much gas
in second or third gear, it would
just fly outta gear And so I'd be on the

Beck (40:07):
Oh, wow.

Dash (40:08):
Yeah Well, It eventually

Beck (40:10):
Eventually

Dash (40:11):
and I

Beck (40:11):
that,

Dash (40:11):
going on?"
And So
Dad opened it up and lookedat it and he was like,
well, the oil
leak has gMed
itself shut it congealedon the seal," And because
I change the oil.
so
he changed the oil and He was like, "I
I mean, I'll just leave it.
We'll see if it stays that way."
it never did leak oil again, and the

Beck (40:31):
Wow.

Dash (40:32):
warped to the
old flywheel,

Beck (40:36):
That's one thing I'm meticulous about is oil changes and tire rotations.
I get those done.
I don't get the tire rotationsdone as often as I should,
but I still maintain them.
but oil changes I do bythe car recommendation, not
by the oil change place.
I do it when it's down to like, 20%.
Because if they want you inthere every 3,000 miles, I'd
be getting one every month.

Dash (40:55):
Nobody

Beck (40:56):
know, I put a lot of miles on my car.

Dash (40:58):
who drives a regular contemporary vehicle needs a 3000 mile oil
change because, there's two reasons
One most oil is synthetic, but evenif you don't do like the premium
synthetic oil change, number is based onbefore blocks were titanium, the, they
used to be made out of all kinds of,
you know, uh, steel or CHRO

(41:21):
or something like that And so theywould shave off as the pistons
fired in, in the, the cylinders.
It would shave off tiny bits.
And that's what would, go the oil up like
that.
Well, they're titanium now.
they don't do that.
depending on the

Beck (41:34):
depending on the vehicle

Dash (41:36):
and whatnot I mean you could go 10,000 miles between oil changes.

Beck (41:40):
Yeah.

Dash (41:41):
I, I mean, I'm not
recommending that.
I I stick to, you know.
Five to
6,000 mile.

Beck (41:48):
me too.

Dash (41:48):
I don't know I gotta

Beck (41:49):
I

Dash (41:50):
the new truck and see, even know.
what
kind of oil it takes.
I have done
hardly any digging into it Honestly.
I was, yesterday I was coming back fromAlexandria and I hit a bunch of, there's,
I was doing a bunch Of like, resurfacingon the roads now that winter's over.
so I wound up on a gravel back roadbetween some corn, between some fields
and there's all these ... it's Allthe roads are on grids here, But a

Beck (42:13):
yeah,

Dash (42:13):
just,
muddy gravel things.
And so I
started playing around with thefour wheel drive, which was fun.

Beck (42:18):
My car has all wheel drive.

Dash (42:24):
I actually had two metros.
Um, but the
second one was afterGeo had been bought by
Chevy, so it was a Chevy.
Metro.
Well, I don't know
I
don't remember if they were

Beck (42:35):
I dunno,

Dash (42:36):
but same car.

Beck (42:38):
right?

Dash (42:38):
and my dad Also same thing my dad gave it to me after he
had put hundreds of thousands ofmiles on It was also a four speed.

Beck (42:46):
Yeah.
I also drove my dad's car for alittle while, the Jeep that he had
until it got destroyed, and I alsodrove a car that my cousin gave
me, when my Jeep got destroyed.
That all happened when Iwas down in Lucasville,

Dash (42:58):
What kind of Jeep did you
have?

Beck (43:00):
a Liberty?
No, a Compass.
A Jump a Compass

Dash (43:03):
okay.
I had a Patriot which is just a aDodge Charger in Jeep's clothing

Beck (43:11):
There are so many Jeeps here because there's a Jeep factory.
we were taught, we were- yesterdaywe went to Five Guys, and we were
waiting to pull out of traffic, andShannon was like, "Jeep, Jeep, Jeep,
Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep."
They were everywhere.

Dash (43:26):
Here everybody drives gigantic trucks

Beck (43:28):
Yeah.

Dash (43:29):
On Mother's Day it was like a fucking truck convention on my street
And they're all everybody in the in afamily will have the same kind It's really

Beck (43:38):
Yeah.

Dash (43:39):
you want Did you bring a down of Appalachian interest

Beck (43:42):
I did.
I brought a very historic noun thisweek, one I'm not going to do justice.
I'm sure you're gonna be able toadd plenty to it, but one that
we need to be mentioning anyway.
This week's noun of Appalachianinterest is Maan, West Virginia,
which is one of those places whereyou can walk down the street and feel
like the past is not the past at all.
It's still standing therewith its arms crossed, waiting

(44:03):
for you to ask what happened.
So mate one is a small town in MingoCounty, tucked along the Tug Fork
River, right near the Kentucky line.
If you've never been there, picturerailroad tracks, old brick buildings,
mountains close enough to make the skyfeel smaller, and a town that looks quiet
until you learn what went down there.
In 1920, coal miners in southern WestVirginia were trying to unionize.

(44:24):
The coal companies did not carefor that one bit Because workers
asking for rights had never been afavorite hobby of Richmond in suits.
So the companies bought in theBaldwin- Felt agents, who were
basically private detectives hiredto keep minors in line and evict
families from company owned houses.
And that's where Sid Hatfield comes in.
Not that Sid Hatfield,a different Hatfield.
Although, in this part of the world,you're never more than three turns

(44:46):
away from a Hatfield, a McCoy, orsomebody's cousin who knows both.
Sid was the police chief inMatewan, and instead of siding
with the coal company, he stoodwith the miners and their families.
On May 19th, 1920, the tension inthe town boiled over into what became
known as the Battle of Mait One.
There was a shootout rightthere in town, and people died.
The mayor, the miners, the, and theBaldwin Fels agents were all caught in it.

(45:09):
It was not some distant,tidy, textbook event.
It was people's homes, people'sjobs, people's children, and people
trying to decide how much theywere willing to risk for dignity.
And that's what makes Maan so interesting.
It reminds you that Appalachian historyis not just quilts and biscuits and
somebody's mammal yelling from the porch.
I mean, we have those, too,and thank God for them,
But
Appalachia is also union organizing.

(45:30):
It's resistance.
It's people with very littlemoney standing up to people
with a whole lot of power.
Today, mate one has the West VirginiaMine Wars Museum, and if you go,
you can learn about the miners, thefamilies, the company towns, and
the fight for basic labor rights.
It's the kind of history that makesyou look at a paycheck, a work
schedule, or a boss and says, "We'reall family in here," and think,
"Hmm, are we, though?"

(45:50):
I think that's why Ma one mattersfor Queer Next too, because queer
Appalachian history and laborhistory have something in common.
Both are about people being toldto stay quiet, stay grateful,
and stay in their place.
and
both are about peopleeventually saying, "Nope.
I don't believe I will."
So, if
you ever find yourself in maone, Don't treat it like a
place you just passed through.
Look around.
Read the signs.
Visit the museum.

(46:11):
Stand there for a minute and rememberthat this little town helped tell
a much bigger story about workers,
power, and what people will dowhen they have finally had enough.
mate.
One may be small, but it is not minor.
that has been your noun ofAppalachian Interest for this
week, history with mountains aroundit, coal dust on its boots, and
absolutely no patience for nonsense.

Dash (46:32):
Sid Hatfield actually was one of those Hatfields

Beck (46:35):
Oh, was he?

Dash (46:36):
Yeah He was cousin for Devil Ants.

Beck (46:39):
My best friend is a, is a Hatfield.
It is not her last name, but that she'srelated to that part of the family.
Yeah.

Dash (46:46):
Sid Hatfield was one of the Hatfields that like, kind of broke
ranks and it's it's difficult to say
in in such a place
and time, but like you would consider himto be more on the right side of history
than someone like Devil Ants, who was very
much like pro confederate.

Beck (47:02):
Right.

Dash (47:03):
do you follow Apple Shop any social
media?
you know what I'm talking

Beck (47:08):
Doesn't sound familiar.
No

Dash (47:10):
It's
I didn't really know about 'em eitheruntil we started doing this show and I
was just looking for, you know peopleother kind of like progressive left
it type, things inAppalachia, but they, uh, do.
a
lot of history
on the
Cold Wars, on the labor historyof Appalachia, they have a
podcast called APO Latcha.

(47:33):
I don't know how they say it
I always say it in my head.
I have to pronounce
it
or it.
won't make sense, but

Beck (47:38):
I, I think I do know that.

Dash (47:39):
Yeah.

Beck (47:40):
I do know that.

Dash (47:41):
it is run by Apple Shop
Um, all actually, uh, WMMT where
we, our,
uh, nouns and sponsors air on Saturdays.
they're associated with Apple Shop.

Beck (47:53):
no.

Dash (47:54):
But there's also, have you seen the movie made one?

Beck (47:57):
Mm, No.

Dash (47:59):
I hadn't
Heard about
it until I took,
uh, Cynthia Barron's course on
theory
which I don't think you were in

Beck (48:07):
No, I didn't take any film classes.

Dash (48:09):
Okay
I I had
never heard of it and

Beck (48:12):
I
had never heard of it, and I was like,

Dash (48:13):
it's

Beck (48:13):
"Okay,

Dash (48:14):
sales film, it is about that.
It's
kind of, it's a, it's about the
the
time leading up to the ColdWars, specifically in Maan.
and
what that, how that
movement took shape.
There's some interestingsub store subplots in it.
Uh, for instance around
like
the racial makeup and racialdemo or, um, dynamics of that.

(48:35):
There's a character
played by James Earl Jones who
wants to join the, theminers and their meetings.
And so there's this whole discussion
of like, the people who wannakeep him out because he's black.
Very similar to the
discussions in thequeer, in queer feminist
history of like lavender menace and stuff.
Like
do
you, do you contribute ordetract from our mission here?

(48:57):
And then

Beck (48:58):
Right

Dash (48:59):
the other folks who were like,

Beck (49:00):
folks were like,

Dash (49:01):
He's a minor.
I would say that we should review itbut it might not be very fun don't know

Beck (49:06):
need to pick our next movie that we're gonna review.

Dash (49:08):
I was thinking about that this
morning.
It would be fun if
we could find
one that we had both not seen,
but that's also
like, really hard because how do you finda movie that know, like you haven't seen?

Beck (49:19):
Right.

Dash (49:20):
We need Listener help.
Maybe I'll post something on oursocial media ask people comment, um, on
or YouTube or wherever you listen if
you
can think of a movie that um, would befunny, would be fun for to hear our take
on and, um, we'll try to find somethingthat would neither of us has seen.
Or we could do that thing like we
did the first time where we pickone that like I pick one that you

(49:43):
haven't
seen and you pick one.
I haven't seen.

Beck (49:45):
That can be fun again.
I still can't believe youhadn't seen Muriel's Wedding.

Dash (49:48):
I couldn't believe it either

Beck (49:49):
I,

Dash (49:49):
when I saw it I was
like, oh, where has this been?
One of the things I talked
about with them at theinterview was like they
they might
want to add some film
courses, but they've neverhad anybody, um, like,
credentialed to teach them.
so I started thinking about
the
kind of
stuff I usually teach inwhatever film class I'm teaching.
Have you seen Paris is Burning?

Beck (50:10):
No, I haven't.
That's on my to-do list,but no, I've not seen it.

Dash (50:13):
it's worth seeing
because it will make a lot of other mediathat, references it or draws from it.
Makes sense.
but I I've seen it a milliontimes I've I've re-watch it
every year actuallybecause I always teach it.
Whether I'm
teaching a class or not, I I
show
it
and do a
critical, um, discussion of it.
I always, I also

Beck (50:31):
I,

Dash (50:31):
to

Beck (50:31):
I

Dash (50:32):
um, movies and like
assign them in pairs tostudents that like either
are similar or
each are doing somethingsimilar or they're, maybe
they're opposites of each other.
Like, I've done White Zombie and I WalkedWith a Zombie for classic horror films.
And what's really interestingabout that is that
like white zombie is slash three two,um, and it's super imperialist, racist,

(50:56):
you know, white, um,
anxiety, uh, great replacementtheory, all that shit, right?
And then I Walked With a
Zombie Is set in, I Think It's
Cuba.
It's
in the Caribbean somewhere.
I just forget which country a plantation.
and
it's a more like nuanced look at
how the
myth

(51:16):
of
the
zombie actually works in that
It's, Haiti probably makes moresense in that culture, but it's also
adaptation
of wide oc

Beck (51:25):
I don't know that one either.

Dash (51:27):
White Sarga OC is, we're getting into Intertextuality
here, but like, um, it's kind of,
a,
a

Beck (51:34):
of.

Dash (51:34):
prequel to
Jane Air

Beck (51:36):
Okay.

Dash (51:37):
it's you know, the woman in the attic, his first wife and Grace Pool and
all that.
It's a, it's how did they come to be?
how they are?
right.
What happened to his wife?
Why is
she locked in the attic?
it that
in the Caribbean and then they
come to
wherever the fuck Jane Air takes place.
It's been forever
since I read that.
And so I walked with the

(51:57):
zombie.
this like I uh, speculative fictionas they called it at the time
of what happened to her,Like why she went crazy?
and needed to, why he lockedher Rochester locked her in the
attic, It's a
zombie movie.
I dunno.
Really
fascinating movie actually.

(52:20):
But another one I
would do, I would likepair that I would teach
together
is Two Wong Fu.
Thanks for everything.
Julie Newmar
and Priscilla Queen of the Desert

Beck (52:28):
I've seen that one once a long time ago, but I've seen Julie Numar a dozen,
two dozen times.
Yeah.

Dash (52:36):
I thought about that movie because I said something a few episodes back
about like, we don't often seeHelpful a redneck trope, you
expect that someone's gonna be...
You're getting into Deliverance,and they're actually a
nuanced character that is...
And,
uh, two two Wong Fu is
an
example of that happening.
Like the town of Yokels is more howthey're described than Cause it's

(52:59):
more of an
Oklahoma situation, right?
They're somewhere in the south or Midwest.
But still that's,

Beck (53:04):
But still,

Dash (53:05):
of

Beck (53:05):
that's an

Dash (53:05):
sucker Channing's character in particular,

Beck (53:07):
She's one of my favorite actresses.

Dash (53:09):
Really

Beck (53:10):
Yeah.
I liked most of things that she's been in

Dash (53:13):
talking about movies that are coming out.
First of all, it's,

Beck (53:16):
First of all,

Dash (53:17):
all the summer horror movies are coming out which I'm not gonna
I mean I'll tell you when I seethem but I'm not gonna expect
you to see them.
there are some movies coming out that
are exciting one of which isthe sequel to Practical Magic

Beck (53:28):
I just read Practical Magic the book um, and I saw the, uh, trailer for
it, and it's basically the second halfof the book from what I can understand.
So...

Dash (53:39):
Oh,
cool I didn't read the book

Beck (53:42):
I listened to it but I on audio book, but same thing.
audio books are, are reading.
Yeah.
There's a big debate about that.
People say that audio booksaren't reading because you're not
actually looking at the words.

Dash (53:52):
I
can't

Beck (53:53):
in the past six months, I've listened to like, 10 books.
So, you know, I can tellyou what they're about.
I can tell you main themes.
I can tell you characters.
I can tell you all those things.
That's the same as reading.

Dash (54:02):
These sort of purity
tests are
so fucking tired.
the only thing that
matters is whether you understood it.
So if I'm trying to...
I'm not gonna have
Darida or
Chris jva read to me,
because I would be pausing
it every other sentence andtrying to go like, okay, what
the fuck were they talking about?
but a novel, yeah,
let me listen to it.

(54:23):
It's more likely

Beck (54:23):
Yeah.

Dash (54:24):
I'm not gonna sit and read a novel because I'm not

Beck (54:26):
Yeah.

Dash (54:26):
good at reading,
right?
Like I'm I'm dyslexic.
I read out of order.
I still have to pause and, and likelet my brain, it's like I'll look at
it and
all
the letters are kind ofblown apart and I have
to stop and like look into the of my brain
where they assemble themselves
into a
paragraph.
it
takes me a long time to read shit I

Beck (54:46):
Yeah.

Dash (54:46):
a lot.
but like, I don't have aton of time these days.

Beck (54:50):
that's why I do it in the car, you know.
I have lots of free time in thecar, nothing else I'm doing.
And like I said, I've listened toprobably 10 books in the last six
months, which is 10 more books thanI was able to get to last year.
You know, so it has really increasedmy, my consumption of, of media,
which I really appreciate, that isn'tTV or, or that kind of thing, so.
Hoopla and Spotify has almost every bookyou can imagine between the two of 'em.

Dash (55:14):
Yeah

Beck (55:14):
And you get a like, 12 free hours a month of Spotify Audio books Might be
more than that, but you so many hoursa month of, of audio books included.

Dash (55:23):
Oh shit So it's not coming out for

Beck (55:25):
So it

Dash (55:26):
time, but
there's a a movie
I want us to review andit is a scary movie, but.
It is a lesbian scary movie It'sit's, it's gonna be one of a kind.
We are there's not been a movie like this.
It's doing things to a genre.
So an established genreof like the sleepaway camp

(55:47):
type of thing,
And
it's, it's lesbian.
it's called
Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.
it
stars what's her

Beck (55:55):
Roll, rolls right off the tongue

... Dash (55:57):
Yeah, doesn't it?
Hannah n Binder, NI don't knowhow to pronounce her name.
I'm not super familiar with
because I don't watch
hacks.
and, uh, Jillian Anderson, whoI would take a bullet for, and,
so it's like a
satire, queer satire of Eighties
and nineties genre ofsleepaway camp, slasher

(56:18):
film, and it's made
by Jane Scho, who is, bro.
Scho, I'm probably sayingthat wrong, but, they made
We're All Going to the World's Fair and
I saw the TV glow.
or are you familiar with either of Those

Beck (56:31):
No,

Dash (56:32):
Mm, So

Beck (56:34):
I do not have my finger on the pulse of work.
so.

Dash (56:37):
well I'm recon
we should, maybe we should watch,
I, uh,
I saw the TV glow because people, multiple
people have made the assumptionthat I will have seen it, I have it.
but I can't, I haven't been ableto, to push play on it because.
my worry is that
it's going to, that
it's gonna do a thing where it

(56:58):
explains something I already know to me.
And I, I'm, I'm not asworried about that anymore.
I, I was worried about this when
it.
came out because I'm like, oh,everybody's saying it's a, it's a queer
allegory or it's a trans allegory.
it's, it's heavily about nostalgicmedia, and I'm really sensitive to that
I don't I care about that almost morethan I care about fucking queerness
you know Like if you're gonna ifmaking a movie about nostalgic media

(57:22):
I wanted to be good.
and so I think I wasn't in a goodhead space when it came out 'cause
a couple, couple, few years old now.
I think it's from 2023.
But now that I, I went
back and watched their first movie.
We're all Going to the
World's Fair.
And it's
weird and experimental andunlike anything I've ever
seen.
And so I'm like, okay, now, nowI'm might watch, I saw the TV.

(57:43):
I dunno, I'll post it on socialmedia and ask the listeners and
y'all tell us through whatever meansyou can, if that would be interesting
to you to hear us talk about thatbecause it would be a blind react.
Neither of us has seen it.
I don't think it's like disgusting,scary, you know, I think it's more.
of an atmospheric horror movie.
We'll see.

(58:04):
But when, but the, uh,Teenage Sex and Death at
Camp Me Asthma
is, it doesn't come out until like August.
Until August 7th.
It's not released intheater, so it'll be a while.

Beck (58:15):
Yeah.
We have a theater very close toour house, but I'm still scared
of going to the movies, man.
Since people started gettingshot up in them, I just

Dash (58:22):
yeah

Beck (58:23):
It scares me.
I haven't been to the movie inliterally probably 10 years.

Dash (58:27):
Wow I okay I didn't I didn't know you had that
Fear it is claustrophobic.
I mean, you're
I do a lot of thinking about where to sit
right now my movie buddy ismy friend Elise up in Morris.
And we always, you know, talkabout, like, we're like okay,
where, where do we wanna sit?
Um, does it matter to you Right?
Like, what what are you worriedabout versus what am I worried about?

(58:48):
Because, you know, maybe for her it'slike getting out to the bathroom cause she
has, a, some sort of stomach disease
And for me I'm like,"Okay, where's the exit?"
yeah, I mean, it's hard to Ifsomething like that takes root, and
it's understandable that it would,it isn't gonna go away unless you
just going to the theater So then

Beck (59:07):
Yeah.

Dash (59:07):
a question of how important is it to you?

Beck (59:08):
Right.

Dash (59:09):
I would give a lot to be able to go to the theater whenever I wanted to
cause movies are very important to me

Beck (59:14):
We've got an a MC multi-screen ... We've got a mall and the next exit up.
It's huge, but nobody goes to it.
So,

Dash (59:22):
Yeah The

Beck (59:23):
there's
... Yeah.
They do have a P.F.
Chang's and a Red Robin,and a Barnes & and Nobles.
is still actual honest to GodBarnes & and Noble is still there.
there was a Bath & and Body Works.
It only lasted, like, two monthsthere, like, 'cause nobody goes there.
sh got to go once.

Dash (59:39):
There's a mall in Fargo

Beck (59:42):
Margo.

Dash (59:42):
is doing okay Every time I go to it there's actually people at it

Beck (59:45):
Yeah.
They've also got a Dillard'sthere in a JC Penney.

Dash (59:49):
Is there a talbut?

Beck (59:50):
I don't know.
I haven't seen that one.

Dash (59:52):
There's this really incredible movie that Claire and I watched about 10
years ago now super indie lesbian moviecalled The Foxy Merkins um, which is
one of my favorite titles of movies ever

Beck (01:00:08):
We're talking about merkins like the, the vagina wigs, right?
Okay.
All right.

Dash (01:00:13):
There's this there's Actually okay we're gonna we're

Beck (01:00:16):
Okay.

Dash (01:00:16):
The Foxy Merkins because I haven't seen it in forever and I just Googled it
and all these like images are are reallymaking me wanna watch it in, cause I've
only seen it the one time and there arethings I still quote from it But the sort
of plot or the the premise is that there'sthese two women who are and they're both
sex workers and you know they each havelike their type their typical kind of

(01:00:39):
customer And the one woman is like, verylike maybe classic big bodied, butch
lesbian you know with her she's got hershort black haircut and she picks up I'm
not even gonna say middle-aged women Theseare like women of a certain age is what
I would call this outside of Talbots.
she stands she just stands outside Talbotsand solicits these elderly women for sex

(01:01:08):
And and the title comes from like, atone point they meet a merkin salesman
in a graveyard and I don't rememberwhy I don't remember what the movie's
actually about but I just remember itbeing ridiculous and unique Where's this
playing Oh it's on Well you can rent itfrom YouTube Watch movie Where can I watch

Beck (01:01:27):
And what's it called?

Dash (01:01:28):
The Foxy Merkins

Beck (01:01:30):
The Foxy Merkins.

Dash (01:01:32):
Wait is this on Netflix Nope I wish Netflix would fucking scrub the
old broken links of movies from this is,this is amateur Behavior, Google Play.
I don't know, maybe.
Maybe it fell off the back of atruck somewhere I'll find it But yeah
Maybe the trailer Where's the trailer

Speaker (01:01:56):
Foxy Americans.
Foxy.
Americans love f Foxy Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Oh, he's a, he's an American salesman.
He's a

Speaker (01:02:05):
Foxy

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
What's a American?
It's a tope for your vagina.
What,

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
what kind of cut you like?

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I like a little smaller,

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
small petit vagina.
Yeah.
One of those,

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I, I, you should get one.
Petit

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
em.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
I have a plus size vagina.

Beck (01:02:24):
Well, that was bizarro.
Yeah, I wanna see that.

Dash (01:02:27):
yeah, let's do it.
I'll, I'll see if I can...
I'll, I'll get it for us somewhere.
Listeners,

Beck (01:02:32):
Okay.

Dash (01:02:33):
see see if you can find it somewhere.
You know, maybe it'llappear in our Discord.
So why don't, don't you send us an email?
I know that someone alreadydid, and we'll just add you.
Literally just email usat [e-mail]
and I'll add you to ourDiscord if I trust you.

(01:02:53):
So yeah, I don't know when we'll do that.
We'll decide off air when we'regonna do that, and then uh, yeah.
Well, what are you doingthe rest of the day?

Beck (01:03:00):
Writing.

Dash (01:03:01):
Nice.

Beck (01:03:02):
And then Shannon will be home in a couple of hours, and we'll probably go get
something to eat or something like that.
But yeah, writing is onmy agenda for today, so...

Dash (01:03:11):
Cool.

Beck (01:03:11):
What about you?

Dash (01:03:12):
I think I, I want to take my bike out, 'cause it's,
it's actually above 70 degrees.
Well, it's not yet, but it's going to be.
And I, I'm a real just daisy aboutbeing on the bike if it's too cold.
I just can't stand cold air rushingover my, my face and my ears.
My sinuses hurt.
The incision on my neck hurtsif cold, if it gets too cold.

(01:03:36):
so I just...
I'm, I'm a baby.
But if it's, But I love being onmy bike when it's hot outside.
So I might do that.
I also need to clean, which I'vebeen needing to do for months.

Beck (01:03:47):
Yeah, we could use a clean in here, too.
Have you heard the I Think That IJust Got More Gay song by 76th Street?

Dash (01:03:54):
now.

Beck (01:03:55):
I've got that line stuck in my head.
I think that I just got more gay.
It's really funny.
You should check it out.
The way I want her tattooed,arms around my waist.
It's- they're a lesbian duo.
They sing lesbian music.

Dash (01:04:10):
Okay.

Beck (01:04:11):
so I recommend them.
76th Street, I ThinkThat I Just Got More Gay.

Dash (01:04:15):
I found a YouTube channel that is a bunch of little half hour,
histories of bands, and he has a realappreciation for the and two thousands.
girl alternative lesbian rock type stuff.
Like I

Beck (01:04:30):
Nice.

Dash (01:04:30):
um, a thing about The Breeders.
I watched one about uch Salt.
didn't know that uch Salt brokeup because of rumors and constant
bullying, calling them an industry plantbecause they were just so talented.

Beck (01:04:45):
Yeah.
Wow.

Dash (01:04:47):
criminal.
Eight Arms to Hold You is...
That might be my favoritealbum of all time.
It was very formative to me.
Well, music,
I think, I think music plays a big partin a lot of people's coming of age.
and so

Beck (01:04:59):
And so

Dash (01:05:00):
queer

Beck (01:05:00):
finding queer as

Dash (01:05:02):
baby

Beck (01:05:03):
little baby

Dash (01:05:04):
was important

Beck (01:05:05):
was,

Dash (01:05:05):
who didn't have access to community.

Beck (01:05:07):
yeah,

Dash (01:05:08):
it's not like I could watch a queer film anytime I wanted to.
but music, I could alwayshave the queer music I liked.
Well, I can't think ofanything else to say.

Beck (01:05:18):
Keep your fingers crossed for rude that everything's
okay and it's just asthma

Dash (01:05:22):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, and asthma is still,that's something to manage, but,

Beck (01:05:26):
Right, but there are the worst things it could be, so

Dash (01:05:29):
That's true, Yeah, Hanging there, Baby ru.
Well,
for hanging out another week.
We will let y'all know, About theFoxy kins and whatever we're gonna do.
Maybe that'll be our year episode.
I don't know.
And be good.
Have a good week.
Say how to your mom and them.

Beck (01:05:48):
Bye

Dash (01:05:48):
Bye.