From the Ashes with Catia Batalha

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What if fire isn’t just heat, but a teacher with a memory as old as time? We sit down with Katia—psychotherapist, yoga teacher, and Tantra practitioner—to explore the element that forged our tools, cooked our food, and still tempers our courage. Together we unpack how ceremony, reciprocity, and embodied practice transform fire from a resource we use into a relationship that reshapes us.

We start by reframing fire as a single, living spirit present in every flame. That shift leads to practical protocols you can apply today: how to approach a fire with respect, why offerings matter, and how group ceremony protects the sacred line between each person and the flame. Katia then shares a personal turning point—loss that reduced life to ashes—and how that destruction cleared ground for a new path rooted in yoga, indigenous wisdom, and service. From there, we get tactical. Manipura, the solar plexus chakra, governs will and healthy power; when it’s out of balance, anger and control take over. Katia maps simple, precise yoga postures that help balance each chakra, explaining how long holds act as portals to distinct states and emotional integration.

We also look at why many of us get stuck in trauma talk and how Tantra offers a complementary route: changing resonance. Instead of rehearsing pain endlessly, we train the nervous system to embody courage, compassion, and self-worth while still honoring shadow work. Sweat lodges and temazcals show up as fierce teachers—dark, hot, and profoundly cleansing—capable of catalyzing shifts that talking alone can’t touch. To ground it all, we share a new-moon fire ritual for release and creation, plus a guided transmission you can repeat: light a candle, feel the difference, and meet the spirit of fire with gratitude.

If fire built our world, what world are we building with our fire? Listen, try the practices, and tell us what you choose to feed. If this conversation sparked something, subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more seekers can find the show.

Meet the Guest - Catia Batalha

🌐 Website: https://catiabatalha.org/

📖 Book: https://catiabatalha.org/echoes-of-the-timeless/

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to Rainbows Rising,
where we ascend together.
I'm your host, Rainbow Raja, andas you guys know, this month
we've been talking about thefire element and the different
ways you can connect with thefire element.
And I know we were expecting tohave Craig from the Dene lineage

(00:46):
join us and talk about the sweatlodges and the different Native
American practices involving thefire teachings.
But unfortunately, Craig hadsomething come up and he had a
slight emergency.
But I have Katia here.

(01:06):
She was so wonderful to jump inlast minute and join me.
And she also is someone who Ibelieve is so attuned to the
teachings that fire brings toour lives.
And I would love to invite herinto this space.
So thank you so much, Katia, forjoining us.

(01:27):
Pleasure.
So if you wouldn't mind tellingus a little bit about who you
are and why you think you haveconnected with the spirit of
fire and what you bring to thismonth's teachings.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Thanks, Rainbow.
Thanks for having us, and thanksfor offering these beautiful
teachings and just making themavailable to anyone who is
feeling the call.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54):
That's beautiful.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Well, I I started off as a yoga teacher.
I started teaching yogaphilosophy, yoga psychology,
other postures as well.
Like and I started feeling likethe transformative aspects of
it, you know, spiritually,physically, emotionally.
And you know, it that becamemore about like the bringing,
you know, calling in spirit,calling in those kind of higher

(02:20):
vibrations and frequencies.
And then it evolved towards morethe grounded, shamanic kind of
side.
And you know, starteddiscovering the world of you
know nature, plant medicines,you know, like those ceremonies,
like uh yeah, sweat lodges andyou know, all all of those uh

(02:42):
beautiful indigenous practices.
And yeah, so that's been I alsoyou know live in New Zealand,
which is a country with a lot ofindigenous influence with Maori
people, and uh um yeah, so a lotof the influence of the East and
Indigenous and yeah, from thatplace of like yoga in higher
vibrations and now from theplace of like the earth and more

(03:05):
animistic kind of uh traditions,and that leads me to where I am
today.

SPEAKER_04 (03:11):
I love that.
I I feel like yoga and kind ofas as well as things like Tantra
that come from the Indianteachings, I don't know a better
term for that, but India kind ofcornerstoned those practices,

(03:31):
correct?
I I feel that India is a pillarof fire in how they approach
even kind of Ayavet uh Ayaveticmedicine, is that am I saying
that?
Yes, yeah, yeah.
A lot of that is rooted in thefire, sacral and root chakra,

(03:57):
which I think are our fire, youknow, centers.
We've got root chakra, which isyou know, grounding us, but you
need that ground in order tohave the passion of the solar
plexus and the the inspirationthat comes from the sacral
chakra.

SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
And yeah, absolutely, yes, yeah.
There's a huge influence of likeManipura in like the third
chakra, the fire chakra.
Yeah.
If anyone who's ever been toIndia will probably relate to
how much fire there is there,and yeah, and yeah, and really
it's this element of fire.
I've I feel a deep connectionwith it, and it's been more and

(04:35):
more recently.
And the more I go into this kindof more rooted shamanic world,
the more I really discover thesubtle layers of it.
Yeah, I go back to go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (04:47):
I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
I was just gonna say, like, um, I remember this
moment where I was in um uhvision quest in Portugal, and
there were many ceremonies inTemascala, etc.
And at this point there was thisbig ceremony before we send
people out to the forest.
And in this ceremony, imaginelike um uh a big space, there's

(05:13):
a fire in the middle, everyone'saround the space, there's plant
medicine involved, and we learnabout the fire that's in the
middle.
The first thing we do is connectwith the fire, and to the point
where no one is allowed to comebetween people who are in the
circle and the fire, because thefire is the representation of
the sacred in that space.

(05:34):
So if you want to, you know,move around to go somewhere, you
go outside the circle and getout.
Because you can never cut thatconnection with the divine that
the person has, which is alwaysthrough the fire.
And when anything is given toyou in that circle, it's given
to you always from the fire as arepresentation of whatever you
receive.
It's not a personal thing, it'snot an ego thing, it's the

(05:56):
divine that's given to youdirectly.
Yeah, so that's the symboliclike representation of it.
And as you said the other day,like in in one of your earlier
podcasts, you know, the spiritof the fire is one spirit, you
know, all the fires of alltimes.
They are all represented in thatone fire that's there right now,
you know.

(06:17):
Whether that fire is in India orPeru or New Zealand, like the
spirit of the fire is there, andthere's something ancient about
it.

SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
There is.
I think that's that'sinteresting how you kind of
brought up how there's all thesefires going on, and it's almost
like every time we light a fire,excuse me, give me a second,
every time we light a fire,there's hundreds of fires all
over the the globe that arehappening.
You know, somebody's got acandle lit, someone has a, you

(06:47):
know, fireplace lit.
And in a way, when we arelighting fire or when we're
sitting with fire, we areconnecting ourselves to the rest
of the planet.
I had never really consideredthat.
That was really beautifulsentiment.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
Yeah, the rest of the planet and the rest of time,
you know, timelessness in it,right?
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah, and I think that's whythis is really important is
because, you know, I I knowmaybe people want to know, you
know, that what are thepractices and you know, like
sided to work with the fire.
Um, and I think this is a lot ofthe Maori in influence as well.

(07:28):
Before we use something, I feellike it's really important to
connect with it, you know.
Like, and this is a bit of theanimistic tradition, like, you
know, seeing everything as asentient being or entity or
energy, you know.
And and understanding that, youknow, not even understanding,
it's like an experientialfeeling of that spirit of the

(07:51):
fire.
I feel it's so important.
Like, I remember this one timein the early days of my shamanic
discoveries.
I found myself in the in thejungle in Peru in some shamanic
retreat.
And um, and I had no idea aboutyou know plant medicines or
anything, and I just foundmyself there, just open to

(08:13):
experiencing, you know, whatevercame from that.
And so this this shaman umcomes, you know, you know, just
explains a little bit aboutplant medicine.
And I'm like, yeah, cool, youknow, like that sounds
beautiful.
And I asked him, you know, whatis there anything I should know,
just about anything about thisprocess that you think I should

(08:34):
know, you know, as a beginner?
And he thought a little bit andhe told me, you know, when
you're participating inceremonies, consider your
relationship with their plantsand their medicines, you know,
and fire being a medicine aswell.
Are you using them, you know, totake whatever healing they

(08:54):
bring?
Or are you like respecting themas sentient beings with gifts to
offer?
You know, because it like in theWestern society, I feel like we
have a lot of this spirit ofusing things, like I need like
some medicine, like I'm gonnajust take it and use it a bit
mindlessly, you know, like nogratitude, no kind of oh, let me

(09:17):
connect with this and like feelit and like receive it with
gratitude.
I'll just use it, you know.
And so he said, like, do you doyou take these plants or
medicines for granted and justexpect them to fix you?
Or are you grateful for theirabundance, their generosity, you
know?
Uh are you just gonna ignorethem or will you acknowledge

(09:37):
them?
You know, will you be receptiveand learn and understand and
honor them and integrate theirblessings?
Or are you, you know, just goingto use them essentially, you
know?
Uh this is as valid for you knowbig plant medicines as it is for
the little piece of mint youhave in the garden, you know?

(09:58):
Are you just gonna take itwithout a second thought, or
will you connect with the plant,you know, energetically ask for
its permission before you takesomething and express your
gratitude.
Also that feel that feeling oflike with the fire, it's the
same thing.
Yeah, do you have you everreally, really connected with

(10:18):
that spirit before you actuallyuh go into okay, let me use
this, see how it can benefit mein my life.

SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
I do, I do.
I've ever since I was a younggirl, like I always felt that
everything had soul in it, likea spirit in it, and that was
everything from paper to animalsto like literally even man-made
objects.

(10:50):
And I talked to everything as akid.
I've I've slowed down on that asan adult because you can't go
around talking to everything.
Yeah, you know, it's it takes upa lot of time and a lot of
people think you're crazy, so itit gets a little dicey there,
but I do remember being youngand it was almost like like a

(11:14):
prayer over food and stuff.
I remember like having adialogue with the food I would
eat, or having a dialogue withthe toys I would play with
before playing with them.
It was like I would be like,Hey, do you feel like playing
with me today?
No?
Okay.
Do you feel like playing with metoday?
You do?

(11:34):
Okay.
So so what what you're sayingreally rings so true for at
least my early life experiencewith making sure that you are
building a relationship withsomething before you expect
anything out of it.
And I think I think this youknow applies to our real

(11:55):
relationships in this realitywith humans.
Like we are so programmed toexpect people to help us, to
give to us, to provide benefitand value.
Even I think it comes from likegrowing up, like, what do I have
to offer you?

(12:16):
You know, when you used to likecreate relationships with people
that were unconditional, andthen those people took advantage
of you, you start to learn howto like, okay, well, I don't
really want to be giving myenergy to someone who isn't
going to bring value to my life.
So you get a little bit moreprotective of that interaction.

(12:38):
And it it should be consideredthat maybe fire and these other
spirits of the elements, otherspirits of nature, might have
also learned that same qualityof protection when they are
taken advantage of so often.
And it's it's really intriguing.
I don't know if you had seen theepisode, I don't know if it was

(12:59):
last week or the week before,but I actually had a candle and
I was like dialoguing with thecandle pretty much the whole
episode because I can I can hearit and I'm like, hey, I don't
know.
Um, but that's that's how whenI'm alone, more so than when
when I'm around others, butthat's that's how I create

(13:19):
interactions with all of thewonderful co-creative energies
that I interact with.
And I I feel that the medicineof fire, since we talked about
how it does connect us not justwith its own energy, but it does
create almost this portalthrough time, it creates this

(13:40):
portal across space.
And if we have the reverence andthe respect and the
understanding that, you know,fire is bringing us so much,
what are we bringing to fire?
We used to sing songs aroundcampfires, we used to offer
something to the fire, stories,we used to bring large groups of

(14:06):
people to enjoy its warmth.
You know, when we would makefood over the fire, usually we
would drop some food in, we'dspread some tobacco in, we would
feed the fire.
But I think a lot of people haveeased out of that ritual, that

(14:28):
tradition.
Whether it felt like it wasunnecessary or people really
started to kind of disconnect ingeneral, disconnect from why we
started doing that in the firstplace.
Yeah, I feel like it's all ofit.

SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Yeah, all of that.
Like um, we have deeplyingrained in us to take things
for granted.
And I can really only see thisnow in contrast with kind of
Maori culture.
Like you go to a doctor'sappointment, like you don't
really care who they are as aperson.
You go to a business meeting,like let's get to business, you
know, and that's not how itreally would work in Maori

(15:06):
culture.
Like, you get to connect withthat person and acknowledge,
really acknowledge them, youknow.
They have this beautiful ritual,like the Hongi, where you know,
two people meet their foreheadsand their noses meet and their
faces are together in thatmoment, and you take in the
breath of life.
And when you take in that breathof life, you know, you meet

(15:27):
spiritually, and it is said thatboth your ancestors meet in that
moment, and in that moment youyou really understand who you
are and who the other is, andyou'd have a coded or you know,
a conversation about okay, whoare you, you know, who are your
ancestors, who what is what isyour land, what is your
mountain, what is your river,you know, what is your tribe.

(15:49):
And only when we reallyacknowledge each other, yes,
let's now have a conversation.
Like, as a doctor, what can youprovide me?
How can I repay you?
The reciprocity, very deeplyingrained.
And the same for the fire, yeah.
It just because this thenapplies to everything, right?
Like uh it's so so deeplyingrained that it applies to

(16:10):
everything, so then we just kindof ignore the fire, like let's
just cook something.
And that's beautiful.
I I hear you talk about, youknow, as the child, you would
talk to anything, you know, sowise, you know.
I feel like our as children wehad this deep wisdom that often
just kind of got a bit lost forso many of us.

SPEAKER_04 (16:30):
It didn't necessarily get lost, it got
beaten out of me.
Fair enough.
I still do it, I'm just moreprivate about it, you know.
I'm I'm not out there at thepublic park talking to the
grasshoppers as much.
You know, society is brutal.
People are mean, misusing theirfire for that's exactly right,

(16:55):
yeah.
Yeah to oppress That's right.
They feel uncomfortable andthey're like, I feel
uncomfortable because thatperson is living their truth and
I don't know how to live mine.
I'm gonna go make sure theyquestion their truth more
instead of ask.
What are you doing?
Why are you doing that?

(17:15):
Why does it make meuncomfortable?

SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
Yeah.
So threatened by other people'sbeliefs that they don't
understand, right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (17:24):
It takes more energy to suppress someone than it does
to just listen and try andunderstand them.

SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Yeah, and this is a beautiful example of the misuse
of the fire.
Using the fire to oppress, tocontrol, um to destroy, conquer.
And uh I love the examples thatyou brought, you know, like
being around the fire.
And for me, that's like firebrings that primal connection to

(17:52):
the sacredness of existence andthe ancientness of of time and
and the connection with spirit,you know, and this is why we
would sing songs and you know,be around the fire.
And yeah, because there issomething so ancient about it.
It's almost like if we if we goback in time, just try to try to

(18:14):
imagine like the beginning ofmankind, like very beginning,
like we were a man in a cave,right?
There was no fire.
Like life was very limited.
Fire is the element that bringsthe transformation, it brings
the heat.
Like basically, we could do verylittle.
And then through fire, uh, itcomes the possibility of warmth,

(18:37):
like, so we can survive winters.
Like it comes the possibility ofcooking cooking foods, so
there's much more options.
And suddenly we can like uhcreate more technologies, uh, or
not at the time eventechnologies, but more refined
instruments.
Suddenly, fire opens up allthese possibilities that were

(18:58):
not possible before.
Like we were, and it's thiselement that through its heat,
through its power, brings thatdeep transformation that makes
everything possible.
Yeah, and this, yeah, this ishow this is part of the essence
of the fire, is that uh it it'sit's life force itself.

(19:23):
It can bring you, it cantransform anything.
Like you give anything to thefire, it will be transformed,
right?
That's how powerful it is.
Yeah, and anything we use, likeanything from the microchips on
our phones, and like uh justpretty much most things around
us are built because there isfire, you know.

(19:45):
So that transformation in allthese possibilities only exists
because of this raw element thatis really behind everything.

SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Yeah.
We wouldn't have had weaponslike any any staff, any spear,
any sword, guns, you know, evencannons, you know, all of our
weapons, all of our means toprotect ourselves, to fight for
what we believe in, to be ableto to be able to, you know,

(20:19):
hunt.
All of those things stemmed fromfire as well.
And you're right, everythingaround us, you look at a lamp,
if it's got metal on it, it wasdefinitely made with fire.
You've got your computers,you've got your printers, you've
got I'm just looking at thingsin my room, obviously.
But you know, ever everything.

(20:41):
I think even I think like ourcars and stuff too have a lot of
the ignition.
The ignition is fire.
Like, yeah, there's I think wereally undervalue the element of
fire.
Even in our like the spiritualcommunities, I always hear
people talking about how fireyou know, oh, we've got these

(21:03):
fire circles and maybe the sweatlodges are talked about.
But people don't really talkabout the the role fire has
played in the development of ourspecies, like how fire truly has
been a catalyst for our entirespecies to go from caveman to

(21:23):
tech mogul, right?
Like we have gone so far, and ifthe spirit of fire decided, you
know what, I'm kind of tired ofthese guys, and the spirit of
fire stopped coming or callingor allowing us to utilize it if
it just decided I don't likethese humans anymore, we would

(21:44):
be so screwed.
We won't be able to heat ourfood, we wouldn't be able to
drive our cars.
Probably most electricity wouldgo out.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:55):
All it would take would be for the sun to just
shine more, just go a little bitfurther out.

SPEAKER_04 (22:01):
Yeah, if fire got angry at us, all of our little
our little zipper lighter thingsto you know.
Well, I know you had brieflytalked to me about some of the
things that you've been throughthat demonstrated your
transformation, how you've beenthrough some losses and you've
been through some traumas, andthat's what led you into

(22:25):
starting to do your yogicpractices and led you into
learning more about Tantra, notthe type of Tantra everyone
thinks of.
Um, I'd love for you to share alittle bit more about your
journey into these practicesthat have such a core root in
this fire element.

SPEAKER_01 (22:45):
Yeah, um, yeah, it's actually, I hadn't fully related
that to fire, but actually it'sfully related to fire.
Um, yeah, I've come from a verydifficult upbringing.
Um and basically had to put allmy hopes and dreams into having
a child and the family, and umwaited like a decade for that

(23:10):
dream to come true, and when itdid come true, like it felt
like, oh my god, I've got like anew chance at life, and that
chance got taken away and Imiscarried.
And for me, that was the momentof it's okay.
It's okay because it was fulldestruction, absolute, this is
the fire destruction, you know.

(23:32):
I was living an empty life, Iwas living around alcohol,
because like nothing was nothinghad life force in it, like
everything felt empty,meaningless, purposeless.
I lived a life like I had a joband things like that, but there
was no depth behind it, and Ijust couldn't relate to
anything, I was depressed.
This kind of life, and Iwouldn't have changed anything

(23:56):
in that life because I didn'tknow what to change or that I
could change, you know.
And then came the fire and ittook that child away from me,
you know.
And in that moment, it burned myentire life to the ground, like
really, like everything Ibelieved to be true just got
burnt, and I had just ashes.

(24:18):
And from those ashes, I foundyoga.
You know, I found a spiritualpath that helped me rebuild life
through a more consciousfoundation, a foundation that
has depth and meaning and madejust deep sense to me, deeply
resonated.
And I think this, you know, isrelated to previous lifetimes

(24:40):
and other things.
But you know, through that fire,through that deep trauma that
happened, my life could berebuilt.
And this is how fire can likehelp us psychologically as well
as obviously just physically anduh heating up our food or our
bedrooms, you know.
Yeah, and and then I learned howto cultivate that fire inside,

(25:04):
you know, yoga, as we weretalking about, you know, brings
the wisdom of Manipura chakra,the chakra of the fire that
allows us to have that personaltransformation, you know,
transform old old beliefs intonew ones and conditioning into
freedom and things that don'tserve us, you know, whether
that's traumas and things likethat, transform them into higher

(25:29):
sets of consciousness and morehealthy relating, those kinds of
things.
And this is why, like internaland external work together,
right?
There's these beautiful fireceremonies.
You've probably been to one ormany where you know there's a
bonfire in the middle, and youstart to relate to the fire, and

(25:50):
then you start journaling,right?
And you journal about okay, whatdo I want to let go of?
Yeah, and I think this isactually a really beautiful uh
new moon ritual, you know.
Right?
Yeah, new beginning, okay, likereflecting on the last cycle,
what didn't work well, what do Iwant to let go of?

(26:12):
Write it in a piece of paper,throw it into the fire.
Um so the fire, you know,consumes what doesn't serve, and
then okay, what do I want tocreate in my life?
So yeah, that sort of thing.
Uh this is how likepsychological work with those
rituals to power up ourspiritual and personal

(26:34):
development and evolution,right?

SPEAKER_04 (26:36):
Yes.
I love that you brought up thethe fire ceremony because I like
experienced one for the veryfirst time when I was goodness,
I must have been 14 or 15.
It's like my best friend'sbackyard, and her mom was kind
of she she was kind of a hippie.

(26:57):
So so we all knew she was ahippie, and she was like, we're
gonna do this fair fireceremony.
What I want you guys to writedown is everything you want to
get rid of.
And I already kind of was doingaltar stuff, so I had an altar
and I was I had tarot cards, butI was very, very private about
it because my mother raised meto believe that all of your

(27:18):
spiritual practices and all ofyour beliefs need to be kept
private.
You never bring it up and younever talk about it with other
people and you keep it veryprivate.
And so I was I remember being atthis party in her backyard and
just feeling like, what?
People do this stuff together?
What and I I was so excited.

(27:40):
I was like, I'm gonna write downall the things I'm gonna get rid
of.
And I was going through I had ahard teenage years, horrible
teenage years, and I was like,I'm gonna get rid of all the R A
P E.
You know, I'm gonna get rid ofall that.
I'm gonna get rid of all theguys that have hurt me.
I'm gonna, you know, my mentalhealth problems.

(28:01):
We're just gonna write thosedown.
Like, I remember writing downlike everything that I was
dealing with.
Um, problems with my mom.
I don't want to fight with mymom anymore.
And just I I remember theexcitement of being able to do
this ritual for the very firsttime with a group of people.

(28:21):
And you don't really noticeafter if anything happens.
But I think the way that fireclears an entire field for new
things to grow, and things don'tgrow immediately.
It's not like fire comes in,takes everything out, and the
next day there's new growth.
That's like that'd be kind of amiracle, but you know, it takes

(28:44):
time, and all of the things thatI had listed have resolved.
There's not a single one thatI'm I'm working on.
Do I attribute my current stateto that one fire ceremony?
I'm sure it played a part.
I'm sure fire played its part.
But like how you talked aboutlike how things felt so empty

(29:07):
and lifeless for you.
And if it weren't for gettingburned by fire, if it weren't
for the pain for the loss, youwouldn't have had the motivation
to change anything.
You know, we almost have polardifferences.
I kind of had a um I had amiscarriage too at 20 weeks, so

(29:30):
I deeply do understand the lossthere.
But after that loss, I it took ayear and I was with someone and
and I think I think he was justsaying he wanted a family for
the sake of it.
But nonetheless, I thought he bI thought he was on board with
me.
So we were like, Yeah, we'regonna have a family.

(29:51):
And he he was an alcoholic.
So we I didn't deal withalcohol, I wasn't really very
involved with alcohol, but he hewas drunk all the time.
And I had no idea.
He was a closet alcoholic.
And I only found out after heleft.
But I got pregnant with mydaughter.
And where you found your changethrough the loss, I found my

(30:14):
change through the gain.
So you know, you recognize thathad you had your daughter or
son, we don't know, that youwould have probably led the same
life.
And probably wouldn't have hadthe catalyst to change anything
to create a better environmentfor your child.

(30:36):
Whereas for me, I had the loss,and the loss didn't change
anything for me because I wasused to lose loss.
I was used to it was like it wasjust another another hole in my
bucket.
Like I already got 50 holes inmy bucket.
Like, who cares?
Another hole, who cares?

(30:57):
But once I had something to losethat wasn't like I had the
understanding my daughter washer own person, that she had a
whole life ahead of her, thatshe didn't have to end up like
me.
And once I had the understandingI was responsible for this
child, I chose to live my lifeand how I chose to react to

(31:22):
things in my environment.
The people I chose to in youknow involve my child and me
with, I realized, crap, I gottachange.
I've gotta shift, and I did.
And you know, I think fire,because fire is also it's
destruction, but it's alsocreation.

(31:43):
Like we talked about, it'salchemy.
From nothing came a human.
I think that's pretty crazy.
That that's probably fire rightthere.
I mean, we all know what'sinvolved to create a child.
That's pretty fiery.
But yeah, no, it's it's prettyremarkable how we we kind of
have two sides of the same coinof that experience.

(32:06):
And how we both I'm sure youryour journey was so vastly
different than mine, but yethere we both are, we had found a
level of balance and a level ofgratitude for our experience.
And we I would hope both havevery full life, you know, life
experiences where we do havethat depth we were seeking.

SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
Right?
Yes, exactly.
And uh yeah, the the destructionof fire is what strikes me, you
know, about what you'redescribing, but also what it
brings, you know, the quality ofwhat it brings and the richness
of it is immense.
Like just it makes things muchricher than they were before.
And uh both these examples arearound psychological fire, you

(32:54):
know, how it how it transformsour psyche.
And um, you know, I'm apsychotherapist as well, so I
see that a lot in my clients,you know, let's work with the
psychological part.
But actually, something that isquite missing from that in some
way is the actual connection tothe physical fire.
How can the physical fireactually help us with that

(33:17):
transformation?
You know, and that example thatyou gave of the ceremony before,
you know, to what extent didthat ceremony help, you know,
and call in some energies thatthen bring about that change?
And this is not very present incommon psychotherapy for sure.
Um, you know, let's work withthe elements.

(33:38):
That would be pretty out therefor a lot of people.
And yet I don't know if that'sboard certified.

SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
No, that would not be.
I might get in trouble justmentioning it.

SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Um but but I do mention it when I have enough
trust with clients, you know?
Like go and do go into aceremony.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:57):
I I'm not a psychotherapist.
I'm a life coach, totallydifferent uh realm, I think.
But I've been to a lot oftherapists.
I haven't talked very openlyabout this.
I try and keep my life asprivate as possible.
But when I was 10, I wasdiagnosed with bipolar and I was

(34:21):
put on 400 milligrams oflamicdal, 50 milligrams of
abilify, 100 milligrams ofZoloft, um from the age of 10.
I tried a bunch of the otherones.
The only thing I never touched,I refused to touch was lithium.
Oh my god, yes.

(34:42):
But from the time I'd started mySSRIs as M A O I's, um, I gained
it was like a hundred hundredand hundred-ish pounds.
And those really numbed me.
And I went to a lot oftherapists.
I was pulled out of school twicea week from fourth grade to

(35:05):
graduation to see a psychiatristand to see a therapist.
Sometimes even to be put into aUCLA research study for
prodromal schizophrenia.
And I spent a lot of time withI've probably had over 50
therapists in my life.
50.
That's like bare like that'sthat's bottom of the barrel,

(35:26):
like I'm sure there's more.
If I had had a therapist who hadtaken less of the and how does
that make you feel approach anddid more of the transformation
work that was really required.
Because really repeating yourtrauma over and over and over
again, I've done I became sonumb to the actual narrative of

(35:51):
the trauma I experienced thatwhen I be you know, when I would
tell people about the samethings I talked about in
therapy, I'd tell people whathad happened to me.
I would do it almost just sononchalant, like it's not a big
deal.
And people were always soshocked by my experiences.
They were like, Are you okay?

(36:14):
Like, that's serious.
Like, are you dealing with that?
Okay, I'm fine, you know, just aguy.
But the therapy really didn't,it didn't do just it just almost
put it on replay all the time.

(36:36):
And there was one therapist Ihad, she was a Jewish woman, and
she had a little bit of adifferent approach.
And her approach was hands-on,so she'd have me do lists.
She when she found out I wasspiritual, she started giving me
more practice, not not spiritualpractices, but more hands-on

(36:57):
practices.
She gave me goals.
She told me, you don't have totalk about your memories or your
trauma here unless it's comingup for you in the present
moment.
Let's leave the past in the pastbecause you can't change the
past.
What we can do is we can changeyour future.
And she made me realize that nomatter what had happened to me

(37:21):
yesterday, last year, ten yearsago, those things, no matter how
much I talked about it, nomatter how much I cried over it,
they're stuck, they are there.
On my own, I did a whole bunchof inner child, you know, work
where you go and you meditateand you go into your your past
self and you you you know changethe scenario.

(37:43):
You you kind of make yourselfokay with it, right?
You you give yourself that falsememory of security.
That didn't work as well as theho-oponopono, but early, early
on when I was doing trauma work,I had to do that.
But it's really incredible howjust somebody saying, I'm sorry

(38:06):
you went through all that, butthere's nothing we can do.
What we can do is we can map youa bright future from today.
And I think her approach wasmore shamanic or more fire-based
than any other therapist I had.
Any other therapist, because allthe other therapists wanted to

(38:27):
understand why I made choicesthe way I did, or they were more
interested in satisfying somecuriosity they had within
themselves versus looking atthis person who genuinely needed
guidance and genuinely needed adirection to go in that wasn't

(38:49):
going to repeat those samemistakes.

SPEAKER_01 (38:52):
Yes, yes.
And what you're describing thereis exactly one of the pitfalls
of conventional therapy, or itcan be, which is there is a
place for you know, dive intoyour inner child and connect,
you know, sometimes.
But also there is a there is aline there where it can actually
trap you in the resonance ofthose energies, you know, and

(39:16):
bring you more and more intothose energies.
And you know, if there'sanything that Tantra teaches us,
and Tantra is actually my mainlineage, is that you actually
need to connect with newresonances, and that's actually
ultimately what's going toreally change things is if you
understand new resonances, likeunconditional love, like true

(39:37):
acceptance, compassion,kindness, you know, like it's
through the connection withthese new states of being and
elevated resonances that thingswill ultimately you will shift
your vibration, you know.
Sometimes you can't face, youknow, shift your vibration
because there's a trauma therethat you need to work through
and there's a place for that.
But also you need to be doinglight work as well as that

(40:00):
shadow work, is my experience.
Otherwise, you might just findyourself trapped in the same
energies and in a pointlesscycle that doesn't actually lead
to healing and canre-traumatize.

SPEAKER_04 (40:13):
Yeah.
As someone who was in constantflashbacks for 10 years, if not
more.
I even got into a point wherelike I'd meet new people and
just repeat my trauma, like in ajust a normal conversation.
Like, hey, nice to meet you.
By the way, I had all thesetraumatic things happen.

(40:33):
And like I thought that wasnormal.
Why?
Because I had so many differenttherapists, and that was all I
did when I met a new therapist.
You mean a new therapist, youtell them your whole life story.
So I thought that's how weinteracted as humans.
I thought you met somebody new,uh, and you just tell them your
whole life story because theyhave to know in order to relate
to you.

(40:54):
Because that was what mytherapist would tell me every
time I got a new therapist.
So that that trained me reallypoorly because people really
thought there was somethingwrong with me.
When really, from the age of 10,that was how I was told you're
supposed to meet new people.
It was, yeah, there's a I thinkthere's a lot that's broken in
in that system.

(41:14):
I think what you're describingas re-traumatizing, like I
experienced that firsthand, andpeople really did think I was
they thought I was crazy, but Ithink it was how I was
programmed in these spaces thatI was spending a lot more time.
I was I was spending more timewith my therapist than I was

(41:36):
with my friends.
I was spending more time with mytherapist than I was with my
parents, and it trained me howto act.
And it was not a healthy way toact.
And yeah, I think what you'redoing where you're bringing more
of this transformation, the fireelement into those spaces to

(41:58):
help people to be able to givethem practices, somatic release
with yoga or energetic releasewith tantra, like it's
necessary.
And I think because those areboth more socially accepted at
this point, because they've beenaround for such a long time,
like I don't think you would bequestioned.

(42:22):
Like if if I went and became apsychotherapist and I was like,
I'm gonna pull out my drum and Iwe're just gonna do some
shamanic journeying.
I mean they'll love it, but it'sthe board might question me a
bit.

SPEAKER_01 (42:36):
That is fringy for sure.
Yeah.
No, but with yoga, I haven't hadtoo many problems.
In fact, my dissertation from mypsychotherapy degree was around
how do you use yoga postures tobalance chakras, you know, and
each chakra is related tocertain emotions, you know, like
the fire.

(42:56):
If it's unbalanced, it's relatedto anger and manipulation and
control and all those things.
If it's balanced, it's relatedto willpower, determination,
healthy self-esteem, you know,like so.
Everything lies in the balanceof getting your chakras
harmonized, activated, you know,and that chakra well-being, you

(43:16):
know.
And when we go through thechakras, you know, and I talk
about this in my book.
I have a book called Echoes ofthe Timeless, you know.
And in that book, we go, I don'twant to spoil it really, but you
know, just to say we go througha journey through the chakras,
you know, and as you get tounderstand each of the chakras,
you understand what emotionsdoes it relate to, you know.

(43:38):
Are you someone in, for example,just this fire chakra, in
relationships, do you dominatethe other person?
Are you dominated by the other?
You know, are you a doormat?
You know, how how do you so youwe go through all those emotions
and realize okay, this is wayoff balance, or I'm actually
quite harmonized in this, likeI've actually got really good,

(44:00):
you know, like self-esteem orwhatever.
And so uh yeah, my dissertationwas around how do we use yoga
postures to balance each ofthose chakras, you know.
So, for example, for Manipura,this fire chakra, it's around uh
the postures around endurance,you know, like um, or around

(44:21):
like abdominal compression,elongation, and twisting.
So, an example is of enduranceis for example the boat posture,
you know, when you're lying downon your back, imagine on the
floor, and then raise your legsto 40 a 45 degree angle and do

(44:42):
the same with your arms.
Do you know that posture?

SPEAKER_04 (44:45):
Yes, I do.
Yes, I I would do it, but Idon't have much I could do it on
my table behind me.
You you want me to demonstrateit?
I can I can demonstrate it forthe do you want to?

SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
Sure.
Give me a second.
Okay, I can I can describe whatyou're doing for the audio
listeners.
But we're seeing rainbow liedown.
Uh and the no, the legs areforward.
Sorry.
Arms are in the direction of thelegs, like this.
Yes, yes, exactly.

(45:18):
So the legs are in a 45-degreeangle and the arms are on a
45-degree angle as well.
So a little bit further up thearms.
Man, this is great for the core.
Exactly.
That is exactly what I mean.
So any of those postures thatare core postures, it's hard,
right?

SPEAKER_04 (45:36):
It is very hard.

SPEAKER_01 (45:37):
How long do I hold that?
Well, as long as you can.
In my tradition, um, you wouldhold a posture for you know
five, ten, fifteen minutesbecause each posture is a portal
to a to a state ofconsciousness.
Actually, I know in the West wejust brutally do random postures

(45:59):
one after another, no idea whatchakras that heals or you know
how it affects uspsychologically.
But actually, each posture isdesigned to awaken a certain
state of consciousness andbalance a certain chakra or
more.
And through the work of doingthat posture, you balance out

(46:19):
your emotions.
You know, I had a client whotold me, I went to this, um,
went to the gym and then God, Iwas I started feeling so angry,
so angry, like out of nowhere.
No one told me anything.
I was just starting feeling soangry.
And I was like, what were youdoing?
And she said, I was just doinglike um I was twisting my torso

(46:44):
like left and right, like that'swhat I was doing, you know,
warming up, twisting left andright, left and right, you know,
and that's the you know, thecompression of the abdomen that
I'm talking about.
And I'm like, yes, that'sexactly what happened, you know,
you fully activated yourManipura chakra, but it's really
unbalanced.
So therefore, like all theseemotions started to come up, you

(47:05):
know.
So exactly my um my dissertationwas about that.
How do you use those postures tobalance out those chakras so
that you can be in harmony, youknow, and just to bring this
back, you know, those are thekinds of tools that you we can
use for our own personal healingand and balance in our lives,
you know, how to use the body tomaximize that psychological

(47:28):
work, you know, the shadow workor whatever.
How to use the elements aroundus, you know, how do we do a
fire ceremony, you know, like somany beautiful fire ceremonies.
My god, like the my firstDamascal, my first sweat lodge,
I experienced uh an experienceof death, like death of the ego.

(47:50):
I was in this festival inPortugal called Boom Fest.
I don't know if you heard of it.
I think I have actually.
Yeah, big festival, like verylike natural, beautiful, just
really incredible.
Anyways, uh I see this kind ofstructure, you know, looks like
a little cave.
I'm like, oh, what's happeninghere?

(48:11):
Oh, this is a Temascal.
I'm like, oh what's that?
Oh, you just go in and you know,they put some very hot stones
inside, and it's like a sauna,but more like a spiritual
experience.
Okay, well, let's let's have alook.
I go inside, they tell me, Oh,you know, you crawl in this
direction and find a seat.

(48:31):
I'll do that.
And in the beginning, I waslike, you know, I sat down and
there was like just earth, butbeneath me, I'm like a bit like,
oh, like I'm gonna get a bitdirty, you're like, uh, but
that's okay.
And then there was lots ofpeople in there because
obviously it was a festival, andlike there was uh you know, two

(48:51):
people, you know, on either sideof me, and I was like, Oh, I you
know, I don't want to touchthem.
This was just ages ago.
I had no clue of spirituality oranything.
Uh okay, well, I just stay here,see what happens.
And they start bringing in thestones, right?
It starts to get hot.
I'm like, whoa, okay, well, thisis this is interesting.
Um, again, no idea what toexpect, you know, and they just

(49:15):
bring in more stones, and moreand more, and then there's the
different doors, you know, and Ithink, oh, maybe this is over.
No, no, it's just another door.
Okay.
And it starts to get hot, and inthat heat, like this ego just
vanishes.
Like I was on the floor, my headwas on the ground in the ground,

(49:36):
like my like I was touchingeverybody, like my body was all
over the place.
I was just focused on survivingthat experience.
I was looking around, seeing,okay, no one has died, so I'm
pretty sure I'm not gonna dieeither, as long as no one else
has.
But this is just like somethingin me is definitely dying.

(49:57):
And at one point, justeverything disappeared.
I didn't pass out, but just thatkind of ego experience, like I'm
this in little individual, youknow, with these problems.
Everything was gone, you know,through that medicine of the
fire that came in through theyou know, the grandmother
stones.
And when I got out of there, Ifelt cleansed.

(50:20):
Just an incredible cleanse,physical, psychological,
spiritual.
And this is the power of thesemedicines, you know, they and
these elements, you know, thatthey they can sometimes cleanse
more in an hour than years oftherapy.
Not I'm not undermining therapy.

(50:42):
No, no, I'm a therapist, butreally, like if we can work with
all we've got, you know, theelements, the medicines, the
moon, the psychological talkingtherapy, postures, uh, you know,
all of that, it really maximizesthe healing process.

SPEAKER_04 (51:00):
I strongly believe in that.
I I do a lot of integrativetherapy, like I said.
So, like I started with massagetherapy, and then I went into
like Reiki and crystals,aromatherapy, and then shamanic
healing and life coaching.
So I realized that all of thesethings address different parts

(51:22):
of us, but not all of us.
And when people go into amassage, they're there thinking
they just have this one pain,but that one pain is connected
with like five fk sources thatcaused it.
The body only responds tosomething that's been held for
so long, and it's more on amental, emotional, and spiritual

(51:44):
level than it is on the physicallevel.
That's where we're, you know,you get into somatic therapies,
right?
But I wanted to speak on the hutthat you went into.
It was almost like a sweat lodgein a way.
Yeah.
It reminded me of there was abook.
The kin of Ata Are Waiting ForYou.

(52:06):
It was something I actually readin a mental hospital, believe it
or not.
I'd found it at the mentalhospital, and the whole two
weeks or whatever I was there.
I I was reading that book.
I think I got through it in acouple of days, to be honest,
because there's nothing reallyto do besides go to groups and
play the piano in the in thecommon room.
But um, I read that whole book,and it's about a dude who kind

(52:31):
of gets poof.
He he's in a bad spot and hegets poofs into this like
utopia, but he doesn't speaktheir language at all, and their
their customs are very strange.
But the customs that aredescribed are very similar to
Aboriginal Australian, like theydo a lot of dream dancing, they
have those little huts that theygo into when they have made a

(52:54):
mistake, or if they need helpwith something, they go into the
hut in the dark with the heat,and they just sit there until
they have their revelation andthey come out.
And how you described you werein this hut, and you, you know,
even though you felt like youwere dying, you looked around,
people weren't dying, you stayedthere.
Um that's that's kind of what alot of us in society are doing

(53:19):
in like our careers or in youknow, like in society, like we
are all feeling the pain of abroken system or a broken
society.
And even though we all want toescape, we all want to do
something about it, we lookaround and we're like, oh nobody
else is dying, I can endurethis.

(53:44):
But that's I think that alsokind of plays into that fire.
It's like if you have everyonetogether, you have a movement.
If everyone is is aligned on amission, it's a movement.
If everyone is aligned in theirsuffering, you know, then we all
are comforted by, you know,misery has company.

(54:05):
Right?
And you can almost be stagnantin that.
And I think we are getting thatthat tippy point as a society
where we've all been dying forso long that now there's a bit
of a we're almost our we'vewe're having an ego death as a

(54:26):
collective, as a society.
Our species is having an egodeath.

SPEAKER_01 (54:31):
And we are and you know what concerns me about that
is that most people are notaware of that.
And you know what happens whenwe're on a destructive course
and we are not aware of it orwilling to do anything about it
is the fire has to intervene.
And who knows what that mightlook like.

SPEAKER_04 (54:52):
For the individuals, I mean, the thing about life is
even if you know, life will giveyou so many chances to make the
shift on your own.
They will open 10 plus doors,they give you all these
different corridors to walk.
They're like, hey, we see thatyou have these problems.

(55:13):
You can take door A, door B,door C, which would you like?
And if you're like, I don't likeany of them, I don't want to do
that.
I know what's best for me.
You don't know me.
And then and then the universeis like, you don't want the
prizes behind any of thesedoors.
And you're like, no, I wantsomething better.

(55:33):
And then the universe is like,you want something better, huh?
You think these these doorsdon't offer you opportun okay.
Alright.
Yes, for something better.
Alright.
And then it's like a trap dooropens up from beneath your feet,
you're like, okay, bye! Youknow, weird game show analogy

(55:54):
there, but it's it's kind oflike that, where you're being
offered all these avenues, andif you don't take one, life is
going to make the decision foryou.
And you might not like assomebody who who fire has had to
intervene with.
I'm a Sagittarius.
Fire's fire is my path.
Like that.

(56:15):
I I grew up in the MojaveDesert.
Like, you want to talk about thestone room place that's hot,
like every day was 115.
You can't escape it.
You just breathe.
It's like dry heat constantly.
You're in a pressure coker 24 or7.
You're like, there is no snow.

(56:35):
That the rains are hot.
We got hot rains there.
It was just like the nights arethe only times that are
pleasant.
You got seven degrees fivedegree evenings, you're like,
uh, it's only four in themorning.
I can I can just lay out.
But it's really interesting.
I have watched so many peoplewho have been given

(57:01):
opportunities to change theirperspective, to change their
ways.
They have excuses, they haveevery reason under the sun why
they don't necessarily want todo that.
And it's like nobody can makeanybody do anything.
And it's like those people don'tunderstand when they're giving

(57:23):
excuses or they're like, youknow, it's my life, I can do
what I want.
It's like, yes, it is, and youwill.
And you'll also have to livewith what that looks like to
you.
And I think fire really is apart of that.
I think I think fire is if youwant to be stubborn and you
wanna you wanna feel like you'rein control of your life, fire's

(57:46):
gonna teach you how completelyout of control you really truly
are in your life.
You can either go with the flowlike water, or you can fight the
power and get burned like fire.

SPEAKER_01 (57:58):
Hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's the that's themedicine of fire, isn't it?
Like whether you want it or not,if you're off balance, it'll
come, you know, and you might aswell work with it consciously
and with intention.
Because, and I'm sure I've beenone of those people, you know,
how many signs have I had in mylife that I didn't listen to

(58:20):
before I had to lose my baby,you know?
Probably many.
I didn't even know how tolisten, but then the fire came.
So it's like um, you know, Kali,you know, a powerful mother and
teacher, and she will always umbe kind, you know, she'll be

(58:41):
kind, you know, just as anarchetype, not necessarily like
a deity, but you know, but uhit'll be kind if it can, but
sometimes it'll just bedestructive because that's
actually what's needed.
It's not what's wanted, but it'swhat's needed.

SPEAKER_00 (58:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:56):
Yeah.
Well, you had mentioned yourbook and how you didn't want to
give away too much about what'sin there.
But you did kind of talk abouthow the book takes you on a
journey through the chakras.
And correct me if I'm wrong, itsounded like you had different
positions, yoga positions thatthey can try in the book to

(59:18):
activate these chakra centersand balance them.
Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
So the book is it's more of a journey, like it's the
journey of uh gradu, you know,awakening of this young woman,
you know, that knows nothingabout anything, and then her
life gets kind of destroyedthrough a miscarriage, and
suddenly she finds yoga, andthis mystery yoga school takes

(59:43):
her through a journey of thosechakras, you know.
But the journey doesn't includeso much of like technical things
like okay, do this posture, dothat posture, but more so like
her own journey.
Journey of awakening andbecoming aware of these
realities, of you know, what arethe laws of the universe, you

(01:00:06):
know, like what what are thefactors at play?
What is each chakra about?
You know, what emotions does itinvolve?
More the psychological andphilosophical aspects that she
keeps learning, and then ofcourse she runs into like the
different situations in lifethat relate to that chakra, like
failing miserably, etc.
Uh so more of her.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:26):
I know this sounds like you wrote it as a novel,
but it sounds more like amemoir.
And I I have a similar thing I'mworking on.
I definitely I honor, I wouldlove to be able to leave the
link for your book.
Could you send that over to meand I will include that in the
description?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:45):
Sure.
I can't confirm or deny whetherthe book has my life story,
though.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:50):
Alright, it's we we will not go there.
Uh I it's it's inspired by trueevents.
Yeah, well, let's say that,yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:00):
It's inspired by a true story.
Yeah.
But I would love to leave peoplewith like just a bit of uh just
a moment, if you like, of likehow can we connect with this
fire just in a very simple anddeep way?
Would that sound Yeah?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:17):
I would love that.
I know you talked about wantingto do a transmission.
I'd love for you to share that.
But if we all know you told usthe boat posture for 15 to 30
minutes is for our solar plexus.
Um are there any other posturesyou'd like to share for the
other six chakras that if peopleare curious and they want to do

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it, they can go just look up theposture and do it for 15 to 30
minutes.
Each of the chakras.
Yeah, just one posture perchakra.
I mean, I'm sure there's morethan one for each, but you could
just throw in one and they couldall balance their chakras.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:59):
Yes, I don't know how well I can describe them,
but I can show you.
Sure.
Yeah.
Um, okay, let me just point forthose on the main podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:10):
Please go check out Rainbow Raja's YouTube for these
postures.
I will timestamp this moment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:18):
What a lovely space.
Thank you.
Uh okay, so first uh chakra,like let's see.
Fruit chakra.
The first chakra.
Okay, so first chakra is aroundpostures where you can bend the
sacral, like the the bottomarea, the perennium, perennium

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area.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
So, like for example, this one.
Okay.
Forward bend is what I'm doing.
Forward bend.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:48):
So forward bend works well for first chakra, you
know.
Uh so the second one, secondchakra can go more towards this
sacral area, so anything thatextends or contracts the sacral
area.
So, for example, the half moon.
All right, half moon, half moon,like bending backwards

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essentially.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:11):
I feel like I should do these with you.
I'm just gonna join you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:19):
I mean, normally I would do these for like five
minutes each, you know, but Ijust yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:25):
Then the third one, the boat, we've already seen.
We did the boat, we got theboat.
Yeah, and if you hold the boat,you'll see that immediately you
start to warm up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:36):
Like the fire instantly starts to get
activated.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:40):
If you do it for 30 seconds, you already see that,
right?
Start vibrating.
Exactly.
The vibration is a good sign.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:52):
Then for the heart chakra, posters that open up the
chest area, for like the theslate cobra cobra is what we
call in English.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:01):
I'm more used to the sunscreen script names.
That you know that one exactly.
Uh okay, then the throat chakra.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:15):
Throat chakra is around intuition and um so
postures that and communicationpostures that yes, postures that
involve the neck contracting orelongating the neck, and a
really good one for uh thatchakra is the you know the

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upside down posture.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:40):
I will show it now.
Okay, I think I can do I coulddo that one.
We'll see.
Where our shoulders are on theground, it's called the shoulder
stand.
Our shoulders are on the groundand our feet and legs are up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:54):
Man, you go higher than I do.
This is hard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:58):
Yes, and you're meant to be like a candle, you
know, on the straight line.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:03):
I can't.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
I need a little more support tomy lower back.
Am I doing okay?
I'm a little afraid of fallingoff my massage table.
Hold on, wait, oh there we go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
All right, bro, chakra.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:30):
Then for Asna, you know, it's just about inner
vision.
Then it's postures where you'reupside down.
Like um, an example is there's aposture where you're like
bending forward and you haveyour fists with the thumbs out,
and you put them in your shins,but really any posture where

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your head is lower than yourwaist.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:57):
So like this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:00):
Yeah.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:02):
And then for the crown chakra, which is really a
portal that opens up to you knowbreak spirit, you could do the
headstand, but I probably won'tdo the headstand because I don't
want to encourage that if peopledon't really know what they're
you know doing because theymight get hurt.
But an alternative to that issomething that like you can make

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a triangle with your arms whenyou're in the ground, which I'll
do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:31):
And then just yeah, like but with your knees on the
floor, uh you can make atriangle and then go down.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:42):
Well, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:45):
If they work on that one, they can get the knees on
their elbows.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:49):
That one I'm good at.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:50):
I can do that one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:51):
Your feet are on the floor, your bums up, and your
head's on the floor essentially.
Yeah.
And just I wouldn't get up tooquickly from that position.
You guys work your way up tothat one.
Yeah.
The only yoga move I'm good at.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:04):
Sitting on my head.
I would spend like I would spendprobably a week teaching each of
these postures, you know,they're not to be done lightly,
you know.
I'm just showing for experiencedyoga practitioners who already
know the postures what chakrasthey activate.
But not necessarily, you know,don't just do random things, but
you might get hit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:26):
All of you guys, if you are interested in activating
your chakra full potentials,please follow the links in the
description.
Go to Katya.
Katya.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:43):
She will teach you the ways of the chakras.
Or there's just lots of likevideos people are offering and
they're different literature.
Like, this is this is wouldn'tsay it's common knowledge, but
it is decently widespread.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:57):
Well, thank you so much for joining, and I would
love for you to close out todaywith that the fire transmission.
I think what you brought to theshow and to the listeners is
transformative.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:14):
You ignited a fire in all of us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:18):
Oh, that's beautiful.
Yes, I think each person reallyis like responsible for their
own ignition, but I'm happy tooffer whatever I can.
We're very grateful.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you for doing thiswork.
It's beautiful.
Yeah.
Okay, so ideally, if people had,we're not gonna do the candle

(01:08:40):
exercise that you did last time,don't worry.
That was beautiful how you talkto the candle, by the way.
That's so so uh original.
Never seen it done that way.
But if if people have any firein front of them, this would be
really ideal.
If not, just imagine it and youcan just imagine it in your
mind.
It's just it's take about takinga moment to connect with that

(01:09:03):
fire.
And if you have a candle infront of you, just look at that
fire and feel the timelessnessof it.
This fire is ancient, it's beenwith us from the beginning of
times, and it will be there tillthe end.
This fire doesn't belong to thisplace, it belongs to all places,

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and through it we can experienceall the fires in the world.
So, what is the spirit of thatfire?
And this is something I cannotanswer for you.
It can only be felt inside.
And what I invite you to do,whether now or later, is put out
that fire and feel what the roomfeels once the fire is out, and

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then ignite it again and feelwhat it feels like when the fire
is lit.
And you might notice that it'snot the same room.
Now, once you have thisencounter with the fire, feel as
if you're doing a hongy with thefire, you know, like your
forehead against and your noseagainst it.

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How does it connect with you?
Not physically, obviously,because that would be dangerous,
but yeah.
And when you when you feel itsspirit, just take a moment to
show your gratitude or just tofeel gratitude inside, or it's
medicine for what it brings toyour entire reality.

(01:10:31):
It's huge, it's too much to begrateful for almost.
So thank you, fire, for yourmedicine.
And this world would just not bethe same world without it.
And then at another point, ifyou felt like it, if you had
some herbs at home, you know, asRainbow said, like some tobacco

(01:10:52):
which is traditionally offered,or some sage, some incense, you
could offer it to the fire as ashow of gratitude.
Or if you know a fire song,could or any song really you can
offer from your heart will bebeautiful.
Sing a song to this fire.
We won't do that now, but justanything that expresses

(01:11:14):
gratitude for its medicine, forits warmth, for its cleansing
transformation, for its power,and for all the attributes that
it activates inside of us.
We would just not be the samewithout fire.
Thank you, fire, for all thatyou bring.
And that's it.
When you're ready, can comeback.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:38):
Thank you.
That was so lovely.
I I really liked even though Idon't have fire present, being
able to visualize the spirit offire, even in my mind's eye,
lighting the fire, putting itout, and reigniting it, like it
changed the terrain inside mymind.

(01:12:00):
So it was really cool.
I haven't usually when I do anyelemental work, I'm working with
the element like hands-on.
I haven't done a lot ofvisualizing the spirit of the
element and meeting them therein the astral and cultivating a
relationship with them there.
But it was a unique experiencebecause you can uh place your

(01:12:25):
forehead against fire, you cangive fire a hug in that space
without being burned.
And um I know we did a reallyquick meditation, but while I
was in that space, fire alsoshowed me a time when people
would communicate through fires.

(01:12:46):
Like they would light a fire andtheir you know, who they wanted
to send a message to would alsolight a fire.
And they would have a certaintime of day, like when the sun
went down, people would likelight their fires and like
through intention work theywould communicate, they'd send
messages, they'd speak to thefire, the fire would send the

(01:13:06):
message to the other person likelike a telephone.
And I don't know if that's true,but that was just something that
came through long you know theit was like showing me a lot of
Europe.
It was like a lot of Europe ofdoing that.
So it was it was veryinteresting because I had never
considered that fire may havebeen like the first form of

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communication because we haveall these these different
traditions and and beliefsystems that are all over the
globe that are during the samekind of time, but they were all
like very similar practices, butthey were all on different edges
of the globe.
It's like, well, why why didthey all is it just universal
consciousness?

(01:13:50):
Did two shaman just happen tosit at the fire and fire
communicated what they weredoing to each other so they were
able to share this technology,the spiritual technology?
So that's just reallyinteresting how fire just kind
of showed me this little liketidbit of historical fire
wisdom.
I don't know if it's real, couldbe not real, but I don't know,

(01:14:12):
it came out of nowhere.
That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:16):
What I love about that is how fire showed you
something, you know, like youconnected with it and it
actually gave you some groundedwisdom that it had to share with
you in this moment, you know?
That's beautiful.
Yeah, that's such a beautifulexample of what you know this
element or any element or anymedicine can do for you, really.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:38):
Thank you.
Yeah.
Well, I just I just want tothank you once again for making
time in your very busy scheduleto show up last minute, like
literally last minute, for thisepisode.
And I'm so deeply grateful toyou.
Um, and I want to thank all thelisteners out there for showing

(01:14:59):
up time and time again, forhaving patience with me and my
schedule as I juggle a billionthings at once.
And thank you guys all forjoining me on this journey of
learning, like spiritualdevelopment, psychic
development, learning about thedifferent practices of the

(01:15:21):
world, learning about from thesewonderful teachers that are all
over the world.
I I don't spend enough timethanking all of you for being
part of this.
And like if it if there weren'tviewers, there would be no show.
If there weren't guests likeyou, uh, I mean there might
still be a show, but the showwouldn't have as much dimension.

(01:15:43):
It wouldn't have as muchpassion, as much diversity.
And so I'm so deeply gratefulfor your willingness to join me
on the show today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:54):
Thank you so much.
And and what you bring.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:01):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:02):
Well, I hope that you'll join us again in the
future and that you'll become apart of the community because I
th I think you have a lot tooffer.
So once again, thank you guys somuch for tuning in.
If you're interested in meetingwith Katya for a one-on-one
session or reading her book, I'mgonna make sure that I include

(01:16:24):
all of her information down inthe description below or
wherever the description isfound, if you're on like Spotify
or Pandora or wherever you'relistening or watching this.
And I am so excited to enter ourour new month next month.
I don't really know what elementwe're gonna be working on just
yet.
It's I'm just letting theelements unveil themselves to me

(01:16:47):
as we go at this point.
So we'll find out.
For those of you, you know,happy, happy Halloween.
I normally do a Halloweenspecial today, but I did not.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:00):
Uh, this is your Halloween special.
Surprise! That's the fire.
Transformation.
Um, I'm gonna play myself.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:11):
Anyway, I hope you guys have a wonderful rest of
your day, and I'll see you guysnext week.
Bye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:52):
I feel uh come to some conclusions with some
understanding for our ownsexuality within us.
And how far and how deep do wewant to go?