Mean Girls

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to Season 3 of Rebooted, where four former
film majors making a podcastabout Hollywood's favorite
pastime rebooting, recooling andnostalgia-milking every movie
except Back to the Future.
I'm Andrew, former film majorand now a director of marketing.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm Jessica, former film major and now a barista.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
And I'm Rob, former film major and also a director
of marketing.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm Mike, former film major and now I'm a software
engineer.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
In this episode we've returned to high school,
befriended some plastics,avoided the band nerds and
narrowly avoided getting hit bya bus in the Tina Fey penned
double trouble, double feature,double mean girls.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You go, Glen Coco.
What you go, Glen Coco?
Did you watch the fucking movie?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I mean, I could barely tell what you were saying
there.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm sorry you go glenn coco glenn coco get in
loser.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
We're going shopping which they didn't say in the
reboot no, it's also not october3rd loser.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Also not October 3rd was it supposed to be for the
movie release or just in generalshe gets excited because he
asked what day it is and shesays it's October 3rd.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
On October 3rd he asked her what day it was and
she said it's October 3rd.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I find it hard to believe he didn't know the day
by the time he got to calculus.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, listen, you know.
I don't know if she says it inthe original, but in the remake
she says you're in AP calculus.
You know more math than 85% ofthe people.
And I'm like then why is hehere?
Because he's dumb?
Why is he in AP calculus?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Well, he's smarter than 85% of the kids in the
school.
You can be dumb by AP Calculusstandards and still be pretty
damn smart.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's true, that's right, right.
What do they call?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
a person that graduates bottom of the class in
med school.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Doctor.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Doctor Seuss, all right, well, I want to welcome
everyone to what we're calling.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Season 3.
We realize this means Season 2was only like 13 episodes or
some unlucky number like that,but we've got several big
changes so it felt right tostart a new season.
The first change, as I'm sureyou've all noticed from the
intro, is the old boy Shaken.
Jake has stepped back for now.
Shaken.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Jake Shaken Jake.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, yeah, I can't wait till he hears this Also in
line with that, we are reformingANDAC into a new company named
Jammer, which is spelled J-A-M-R.
You'll be able to find usonline at jammerfun.
We'll talk about more of theseexciting developments at the end

(03:13):
, so make sure you stick aroundafter I give my scientifically
accurate pH ratings.
We're not doing that anymore.
That's one of the changes we'redoing.
That's what you think I'mediting.
You're just doing that anymore.
That's been cut.
That's one of the changes we'redoing.
That's what you think I'mediting and you're like no, you
don't understand.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's in the script.
I have all the power here.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I kind of do so.
Anyways, Jess, why don't you goahead and kick us off with a
summary?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
step into the halls of North Shore High, where high
school politics are as cutthroatas they come.
Mean Girls follows Katie Heron,a new girl from Africa, who
quickly learns that fitting inis more complicated than she
imagined.
She finds herself tangled inthe world of the plastics, a
trio of fabulously cruel queensled by Regina George.
With fighting humor and sharpsocial satire, the film reveals

(04:13):
the intense dynamics of teencliques, popularity and the
perils of trying to climb thesocial ladder.
Fast forward to the 2024version, where the high school
drama gets a whole new twist.
Literally, the musicaladaptation takes the classic
story and jazzes it up withcatchy songs, eye-popping
choreography and a fresh,vibrant energy.

(04:33):
While it keeps the core storyof Katie's journey through the
plastics and the socialminefield of high school, it
adds a new layer of musicalmagic to the mix.
In both versions the message isclear Navigating high school is
tough, but with a littleself-awareness you can turn the
tables on the meanest of clicks.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
All right.
So, kicking off Season 3, we'regoing to go ahead and take a
little bit more of a questionand answer through our
protagonist-antagonist, centralconflicts, points of nostalgia,
kind of building on what we didwith Season two and what worked
and what didn't work.
So, starting off, I want totalk to you guys about our
protagonists and our antagonistsand in our notes, you know,

(05:14):
both Jess and I, as we'rewatching the movie, I made what
I'm certain some, including, I'msure, the writer Tina Fey,
would consider a hot take.
You know, this is the old deadmeat Hot take in quotes
Regarding the antagonist in thefilms.
I mean, obviously Regina is theprimary antagonist, but I would

(05:35):
postulate that Janice is theother antagonist.
You know, not only does she setup Katie as a spy but refuses
to call her by her name, atleast in the, in the remake, um,
and participates in many of the, you know mean girl s qualities
.
So I kind of want to what youknow.
What are your guys thoughts onthis characterization?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I've definitely seen people on, like the internet,
you know, go that route.
But yeah, I feel like that'ssomething that's really even.
That's especially.
It's not brought up in eithermovie.
Um, I mean, katie kind of saysit, but then she's like, oh,
yeah, she's like well, becauseshe says about you're obsessed
with me, which is yeah, but itis.
It is something that like, inthe end it's just like she's the

(06:19):
quirky girl who you know gottaken advantage of by both her
friends.
It's like no, but she is theone that started all this, like
she's the one that encouragedKatie to be friends with them so
she can get dirt and stuff.
And she does like she is meanto people and stuff and it's
like you can't.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
And Andrew said me and Andrew were talking about it
earlier it's like she took thenaivete of Katie and just
manipulated her into gettingwhat she wanted and, of course,
it backfired because they'reteenagers yeah, I think the like
you know I'm gonna call youkatie like that that seems

(06:58):
harmless to me, like that's just, you know, a quirk of her
personality, is my opinion thereand the rest of it.
I think the argument that Iwould make is it's sort of
leaning into the point of thestory, which is, you know,
nobody's innocent, right, likethat's like a huge theme of the

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movie, especially with the like,the culmination and the big
group apology and the one kidthat doesn't go there.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know don't even go yeah, you don't even.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
She doesn't even go here.
Um, like that's, like that's.
The whole point of the movie islike nobody's innocent,
everybody's a victim.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Like figure out how to be nice to each other yeah,
but wouldn't you say, though,that what janice did does in in
that scene where she basicallyouts katie, as the, you know,
tries to make her out to be thevillain, isn't that in itself,
uh, almost like the kind ofthing that regina herself would?

(08:01):
She's?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
not really trying to make katie the.
She's not trying to make katiethe villain there, she's just
trying to expose the problemlike she's had enough.
She's at a breaking point,right, because she doesn't say
katie did this, katie did that.
She says we did this, we didthat, like she's not throwing
katie under the bus really, orat least not under a bus that
she isn't throwing herself underas well I know a poor choice of

(08:24):
words, given what actuallyhappens.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, she didn't get thrown under the bus, that's the
whole point that's true, butjanice shares that, knowing that
katie is the one witheverything to lose, like janice
knows that regina hates heralready.
And so janice being able toshare all that stuff is is
basically saying, yeah, you'rewho you thought was your friend,

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regina.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Katie, she was the one, katie, as being oh yeah,
one who put the burn book outthere or whatever.
You know, like I mean it reallyis an aggressive like.
And then she sits there, says Ihave nothing to apologize for
and flips them all off, at leastin the musical version, and it
was kind of like she does thatin the original too.
Whoa I?
You know, I think you do havesomething to apologize for and

(09:17):
you're not being a great personor friend either, but you know.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't know.
I just Janice is definitelylike driven by revenge, which is
not normally like a protagonistkind of thing.
Right, not normally like.
Sometimes it works that way andI think she throughout the
movie, the new one, especiallyshe what was that?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
what not driven by revenge?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Anakin Skywalker says hello oh, how did it end up for
Anakin, did he?

Speaker 4 (09:55):
did he start on fire?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
he might have killed children at one point he pretty
clearly did kill childrenbecause Padme was all like my
dream.
I mean, you see, him go to theand bring his lightsaber out.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
He definitely killed them is there debate about that.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm joking, it was.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
I was making it a little less to make a Star Wars
reference at a group of nerdslike it was going to go off the
rails.
That's on me.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's, that's my fault.
I'm sorry everyone.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Anakin Skywalker, a mean girl.
Let's discuss.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, he was, yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Let's argue about whether the council were.
His lightsaber is pink.
Yes, he was.
Let's argue about whether thecouncil were a bunch of men or
not?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
His lightsaber is pink.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yes, and I do see Janice pushing Katie towards
revenge Because she knows howRegina does stuff, she knows her
MO, she knows that she doesthings in her own self-interest
and she knows eventually, eventhough in in her own
self-interest, and she knowseventually even though in the in
the meantime katie's not reallyspying like to hurt regina that

(11:12):
eventually regina's gonna dosomething and it's gonna make
katie just as mad as she is andI will tell you I don't remember
specifically in the original,but I I will.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I will say, the thing that really kind of like turned
me against janice was earlierin the movie.
Actually, it was when katiesaid no, I don't want to do
anything to gretchen.
You know, gretchen is, isfragile, she's gonna be, she's
broken and and uh, janice likeno, no, you need to keep this
going.
And and it was just like shepushed her against Gretchen, who

(11:46):
probably really was or couldhave been a friend, an actual
friend to Katie's in a differentcircumstance.
And I thought to me, I was likeit really made me like oh, I
really don't like Janice.
She's kind of like the otherside of this.
You know, there's the plasticsand then there's the I don't
really know what.
Click Gretchen and Damien,they're the outcast, click.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And I and it's it's definitely more actually
confirmed in the second one.
But like they're, like, I think, the queer outcasts.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And they were kind of artists.
Yeah, that was like theirtheater and Janice's art stuff,
physical art.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, there was a theater clique though their own
theater clique.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
There was a theater that had their own clique, which
Damien was, you know.
He liked someone from thetheater clique, so maybe he
lived in both those worlds.
He was actually part of that,yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And then in the original they were kind of, they
were like goth.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I would say Janice is kind of emo it was kind of
indescript.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, I feel like that was mainly because of
Lizzie Kaplan in the role.
And she just embodies that emonot so much goth, but that emo
chick in almost every role shedoes.
It was funny because Jess kepttelling me she goes.
You can't be mad at Janice.
She was Moana I did.
That doesn't actually meananything.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I was actually way more forgiving of this Janice,
because she was Moana.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
It's a Disney princess, damn it.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's a Disney princess.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
She's all grown up now and causing trouble, just
like every other Disney princess.
Damn it, it's a Disney princess.
She's all grown up now andcausing trouble.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Just like every other Disney princess.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, that's true.
That tracks for Disneyprincesses.
From the little I know of Tron.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Or at least the child stars, I guess.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Star Wars.
Now Princess Leia is a legitDisney princess.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Han Solo is more of a Disney princess than Leia.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
There's a lot of Star Wars in this episode.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
C-3PO.
C-3po is the princess of StarWars.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh, yes, very much Passenger princess and a fan of
Spaceballs.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Guys which Star Wars character has a humanoid animal
companion that he talks to?
That's true, han.
Solo Han talks to and that'strue, han Solo.
Han talks to and understandsChewie.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't think Han is calling him an animal.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Because technically Chewie is much older than Han.
So really, han is the puppy dogin this scenario.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
The big droopy eyes puppy dog.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Chewbacca is the owner.
Palpatine would have a burnbook.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Anakin has a burn book, robin's.
Right there, anakin is Gretchen, this is a third degree.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Anakin is Gretchen Wieners because he has all this
pent up stuff, but he's like thesecond.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Or is Anakin sometimes.
Karen, all this pent-up stuff,but he's like the second, or is
he just.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Or is anakin sometimes karen I I I felt bad
for, uh, the actress in the inthe remake because they made her
really dumb like did you seethe original?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
really dumb I feel like she wasn't as dumb.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
So just to clarify I didn't get to watch the the
original as a to re-watch it forthe episode.
So I'm going back a few yearsremembering the film.
I watched it.
You know, I did see the the newone obviously, because it just
came out this year, I don't know.
I just I felt really bad forthat actress.
I was like, oh she's actingvery stupid.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I also felt like in this ep in this not this episode
in this film versus theoriginal, like I don't know if
this is just because I'm older,but I felt like they were
sexualizing the actresses a lotmore in this one.
I don't know if they were it's,if it's the costuming or
whatever, but it felt a littleweird and that may just be

(15:36):
because I'm pushing 40 and I'mlike more, like oh, yeah, I do
think that's just a changingfashion, because the original
did take place in 2004 and thisone definitely took place now.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So I think it's mostly I think it's what kids
actually wear, but I actuallythink it's less sexual because
they did remove a lot like.
So they don't say boo you whore.
They don't have that wholestoryline with the coach having
sex with the asian students andstuff, because they remove stuff
to not have those in your faceactions, but like still no.

(16:09):
But like going back to sayingabout karen, not is like she was
more stupid, that that was oneof the things I was disappointed
that they removed from theremake, where she didn't have
espn and she didn't use herboobs to tell the weather.
That didn't happen in theremake and I was very sad
because that was a big part ofkaren.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Karen, that was like maybe a part of karen I, you
know, for me I think it was well.
Fortunately, knowing that allthese actresses are like in
their mid-20s doesn't make it asawkward.
So they're trying to.
They're playing with theirjuniors, right?
So that's like 16, 17, right?
What age are juniors?
I don don't remember anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah, I'd be like 16 or 17.
I was 16.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
There was more of me thinking about my daughter as
she's approaching.
She's 10 years away from thatright, but still I'm going like
man.
If people treat my daughterlike this, there's going to be
some heads on spikes at the highschool.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I it, it's being a dad, more me being like, oh, if
they're whatever well, I willsay as the only woman here I
will say even, especially asteenagers, but even as an adult,
women are a different kind ofmean than guys.
Men insult each other to theirface and with actual, just like

(17:28):
blatant insults women are verywomen are very passive,
aggressive and catty and theyknow what to say, to do the
backhanded compliments.
Like women know how to get inthere and dig their nails in and
do something, say the thingsthat will really hurt someone
but disguise it as a complimentor something.
But like we know, we know.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
We know what's going on yeah, I do think that the new
film really highlighted the newcultural landscape with social
media and how people will justlike dogpile on somebody once
they've like been shunned yeah,I thought that was interesting

(18:13):
with the uh, the the failed uhchristmas routine or the the
failed uh talent show routine.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Is that, like you notice that all these people
that were afraid to look atregina in the eye suddenly felt
empowered to post stuff onsocial media?
You know, again, still notlooking her in the eye, but they
felt empowered to make thosecomments then?
And I think that was the otherthing too, because kind of to me
, being a almost 40 year oldmale, when she dropped the burn

(18:45):
book in the middle of the floorand the girls picked it up and
they're like, oh my gosh, itsays that I put, you know, vodka
in my flask or whatever.
I was just like that inhaler inmy hand.
It's like.
It's like okay.
So some dumbass kid wrotesomething about you who gives,
or why are you putting that onTwitter, or formerly known as X,

(19:06):
and I?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I would think that was tick tock whatever I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
my, my point is it's that, like I guess it's because
I'm so far outside of the youknow giving a shit, I guess.
But I'm like, oh okay, ifyou're so worried about these

(19:31):
people saying this thing in abook, they probably said it on
their tiktok about you already.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
You know this.
It's not like it's good pointin a book.
It's suddenly more damning.
You know it's interesting,though I did like you saying
that, just when you realize Iwas like one of the things I
noticed about that is in the youknow the original.
She makes a lot of copies of itand just like dumps them all
out, like you know, from the topof the like whatever floor, and
like just lets everybody getlike a copy of it.
But in this one it's just theliteral book and then people are

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just like looking through andlike putting it on TikTok.
I'm like, yeah, that's it hadto be.
Like you didn't have I mean,people kind of had cell phones
in 2004 but they didn't havethis mat.
Like you couldn't group chatand stuff.
Or you know, like facebookwasn't a thing even like a
school email, but yeah that waslike right at the beginning,

(20:16):
though then, like my space wouldhave been more the thing.
But yeah, so you did like.
The way to do it then is tomake a billion copies so
everybody could see.
And this is like you literallyjust have to have the one book
and it spreads like wildfire.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Although I will say speaking of 2004 versus 2024, I
was just curious and I didn'tsee any trivia on this, so I'm
guessing it's not true.
But I noticed that AaronSamuels had one of the new
motorola razor flip or, uh,folding phones.
I was like it would have beenso great if aaron samuels would

(20:50):
have, in 2004, had a razor phoneand then now he had the razor
back.
Yeah, but I did.
I could not find if that was thecase, but it would be amazing,
it was just crazy that 20 yearsago those were the premium
phones, but yeah yeah, I don'tknow, I the the thing like.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
So I went into this like kind of hope, a little bit
hopeful, because I didn't really, I don't really like mean girls
and I think you whore, youcan't sit with that there it is
I like I just are you wearingpants, mike?
Yeah, no, I hate no shorts, gymshorts, which is basically like
the shorts equivalent ofsweatpants.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
But whatever, that's the men's version of sweatpants,
no, I.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
So I think part of it is I saw it too late.
By the time I saw it had beenhyped up by a bunch of people
that I know and people who likethe same kind of movies that I
like.
They're like, oh, this movie ishilarious, it's great, I love
it.
I'm like like, okay, I'll gowatch it.
And then it was kind of justlike whatever.
But I actually kind of wonder,like there's part of me that
wonders, like in hindsight, ifpart of my like dislike of this

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movie is that, like most of thehumor is it revolves around like
bullying people, like likethat's where most of the humor
comes from, is like this, likecaddy game of revenge.
And so I yeah, I don't know ifI don't know if maybe there's

(22:24):
like some subconscious thingthere like it's not funny to
pick on people and like ifthat's why I don't like the
movie, I don't know.
But and so I went in and didthis once again, like maybe I
like this better because I lovemusicals and you know, maybe
that'll, like you know, liven itup, be something new.
And then I found that myselfthe whole time watching it going
.
But why, like did?

(22:47):
Did we really need the remake?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
why can't you people just get a?

Speaker 4 (22:51):
log.
It's like why do we need theremake and why did it have to be
a musical?
And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Tina Fey needed more money.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Because Tina Fey was trying to say that war, war
never changes.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
War never changes.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Teenage girls will still try to destroy each other.
What disappointed me about theremake is that the original had
that epilogue that showed youwhere everybody was.
Karen got to be her the mace.
She grabbed her boobs there's a3% chance that it's raining
right now and she's getting downfor it on and then you see
Regina playing lacrosse becauseshe's able to get her anger
issues out.

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You see that Gretchen actuallymade friends with the um, with
the, like asian uh click,because I mean I don't know why,
like that was connection.
But like you know, she actuallymade friends with them.
But it was like they alsoshowed where the sophomores or
that were going into the junioryear were basically the new

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plastics.
And then they got hit by thebus, even though they didn't
really.
But you see, like oh yeah, thecycle keeps going because even
though they all resolved it intheir junior year, like yeah,
it's gonna keep happening.
I mean like high school, when Iwas in high school, I mean it
was all cattiness and stuff andit's still like that.
It's not gonna change, nomatter what what happens.
And I was kind of disappointedthat they didn't have that

(24:15):
epilogue in there.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I will say I was thinking about this as we were
watching the movie.
I, I know, throughout my entirehigh school career, many kids
came and went.
I never remember them standingthem in front of the class and
being like this is the new kidfrom this area and it's like
it's like Hollywood has thisarea and oh yeah, that's a

(24:38):
totally like it's like hollywoodhas this the worst perception
of what high school is.
Yeah, that was never done,never.
All right, well, moving us alonghere, I want to uh talk about
the central conflict and uh, youknow we're talking about.
Central to the story, um,really is not only the conflict
between, you know, katie andRegina, but it's the Janice and

(25:02):
Damien versus the plastics.
And you know, one could arguethat the introduction of Katie
exposed the war that was brewing, I guess, but behind them.
And so do you think that Reginaor sorry, janice sought out

(25:22):
Katie to use her as this finalregent Regina, or do you think
it was more happenstance thanthat?
What do you guys think?
Because it wasn't like she justplucked the new girl out of
thin air.
That was announced to everyone,because schools are weird in
movies.
She has this history withRegina and then she's able to

(25:45):
use Katie to her nefarious means.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I think Katie saw a potential friend in Janice and
Damien's right because liketheir interaction was like you
know, we're going to show youthe ropes.
And then she said why can't Ijust hang out with you guys?
And I think that was theintention.
And also, like, when likeRegina showed up and you know

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was sort of like starting tolike pull Katie in right, janice
and damien were trying to likecall her off that right, they
were trying to pull her away,trying to stop that from
happening.
So I don't think she soughtkatie out.
I don't think it was adeliberate I'm going to use this

(26:34):
new girl to sabotage ReginaGeorge.
But I think once Regina latchedon to Katie, then Janice saw an
opportunity to go.
I can work with this.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's more of a circumstance than a plot right,
it's more of a circumstance thana plot, yeah, so, building on
that and talking about then ourwhat I would call our second
central conflict is betweenregina and katie herself.
Do you think that by, uh,essentially having regina
pitting her prodigy againstherself, rita, uh, regina
inadvertently sows the seeds ofher own downfall?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I think so.
So she basically gets back withher ex-boyfriend just because
Katie likes her Right.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Just because.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Just because and that is what sets Katie in motion,
that's what makes her go backand go to Janice and Damien and
say, Nope, we're going to.
I'm mad at her now Like I don't.
I've seen what, what you weretalking about Janice, and now
I'm going to burn her to theground and sets in motion the
whole plot.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You know why Gina Regina did all that.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Why.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You guys know why, why Regina did all that?
Why?
You guys know why she's a meangirl.
Boom Piked her up.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Roll credits.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Roll credits that didn't even occur to me.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (28:04):
going to play the.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Dean, dean, but that's the thing, though, right.
So did Regina not realize by, Iguess?
Did she think Katie was tooweak to like?
What game do you was?
Was Regina trying to play, wasit you know?
Did she actually like Katie?
Did she actually think Katiewas pretty, or does she playing

(28:28):
her from the beginning?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
She was the new girl who was, I mean, exotic and all
that, and I think she wasthreatened by her and so she
wanted to befriend her but toput her down in what she thought
was her place yeah, I thinkthat.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I think that's what it is like.
Regina thrives on havingcontrol and she saw somebody.
And she saw somebody who, inher mind, fit with the group but
was, you know, an outsider likekatie, you know, especially in,
even more so in the reboot, Ithink came off as very like,

(29:03):
timid and, you know, reservedand like it.
So she saw somebody who could,you know, fit in their but also
fit very neatly under her thumb.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
But to what end?
It ended up costing her herpopularity.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's true, it was a miscalculation.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think she thought that she could take away.
I think she thought that Katiecould be more popular than her
or whatever, and so she broughther in to you know, have her be
part of the group, but also soshe can keep her put, uh, put
her down a notch anytime, thatany, if she was ever gonna, you
know so it wasn't so much asjust being cruel, it was an

(29:50):
intentional, uh way to corralher and control her, you think?

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, and it's like if she's going to be popular, if
she's part of my clique, thenher popularity is my popularity
too.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I also wonder if she saw her hanging out with Janice
and was like Janice used to bemy best friend, you're not going
to have that.
It's like with Aaron.
She's like I don't want him,but I don't want you to have him
either.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
So yeah, I would think about that angle.
But yeah, that's, that's a goodpoint, Jess.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'd also point out in that scene where she goes back
up to Aaron and says that shethat katie has a crush on aaron
because I think in her face youcan see that her expectation is

(30:43):
that aaron's gonna laugh at thatyeah and when he doesn't and he
looks more like interested andintrigued.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's when she flips it because she realizes, okay,
she's a threat yeah, but aaron'sa slime ball if he bailed on
katie to go make out with herjust because she, whatever
walked away he was never withkatie.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
That was the part that.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Okay, that was the part I didn't like.
There were parts in the musicalversion where it was like I
wasn't sure what was actuallyhappening, what was part of the
musical numbers, because theyreally blurred the lines in the
movie between the musical andwhat was part of the story.
You know, people breaking outnumbers and dancing and things
that don't actually happen inreal life.

(31:28):
Yeah, I think it's like themove, except maybe in Mike's
head, except maybe in mike'shead.
But I did.
I did really enjoy that one whenthey were staying on the stage
and they were like telling whythey were sad about each other
and the one's like well, shedidn't uh she didn't.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I'm sorry for dragging in.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yes in the revenge song I was.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I audibly laughed at that there were a couple moments
like that, that like that werelike very like self-aware fourth
wall, like self-referentialstuff that I thought were
genuinely funny.
Like you know, lindsey lohan'scomment in the math competition
of like I don't know your life,like that was, that was amusing
to me, right?

(32:11):
Or?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Or this only happened one other time, you know yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Right, or, like you know, the first time they throw
out like fetch, fetch, what isthat?
Oh, I don't know, it's from areally old movie, Like you know,
like, yeah, there were likelike subtle things like that
that I thought were, that I thatthat I thought were that I

(32:37):
thought were funny like one-offthings, but like, yeah, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, I really love the fact that um tina fey and
tim meadows were actuallytogether in this one, because he
kept like pursuing her originalor at least dating, yeah.
So it was nice seeing them backin their roles, but then
actually being together.
Because when she said, when hewas like you owe me for this and
she's like, all right, well,I'll walk the dogs when I get
home, like, and they're like Ilove you, like, I was very

(32:59):
excited all right?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
well let's, since we're talking about tina fey,
let's talk about some points ofnostalgia here.
So, with tina favor, prizingtheir writing credits and
shifting the music, the moviestyle, to musical, many of the
same story beats existed reallyin both films.
So what were, if any, of thebig points that you felt were
missed, or that you felt likethey missed out on or that they

(33:21):
had to change because it was amusical?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think it was pretty .
Note for note.
I think it's just it really didmiss some of those classic
jokes.
Uh, I think when they whenkatie cut regina's shirt so her
like bra was exposed, that was amuch funnier scene than them
like, oh, I got the wet look,it's like, I'm like that's been
there, done that.
And they even said, oh, she'sbringing back the wet look.

(33:44):
I'm like, eh, that's not asiconic as the cut shirt with the
boobs and everybody was doingthat.
And that was funny when,because when they were doing the
have everybody close your eyesand raise your hand.
If this happened and likeregina's, like um, I shouldn't
be here because I'm the mostperfect and I've never done
anything.
And then in the original shesays if anybody's ever been
affected specifically by regina,george, raise your hand.

(34:04):
Everybody raises their hand andten medals raises his hand too.
That was I'm like that wassomething that was.
I was sad that they left out oh, man.
And and then my favorite linethat they left out, which I'm so
mad because it would have beenso hilarious to see hear Jon
Hamm say it was don't have sexbecause you'll get pregnant and
die.
And I can't believe they didn'tsay that because I wanted to

(34:27):
hear that come out of Jon Hamm'smouth and it didn't happen, and
I'm so sad about it.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
He did start writing w-h-o-r.
That was so funny that was sofunny.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Don ham is the national treasure he was really
funny.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think that like this question of like what, what
did they leave out?
What did they change?
Like, yeah, they left out maybea few like key lines and a few
like one-off scenes, but I thinkthat that that sort of like
bleeds into what felt sounnecessary about the musical
reboot is that they reallydidn't change stuff.
It was like beat for beat, thesame movie with dance numbers.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
They took out the shopping mall Mike.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
And they took out her dad.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
They removed it.
There's no shopping mall, it'sover.
Yeah, the shopping mall, it'sover.
Well, there's.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, the shopping malls have been over, for I
don't know if you're payingattention there, rob, but like
shopping malls have not existedfor 20 years do this to me.
My entire reality is crumblingaround me now no, but like, like
, aside from like that kind ofstuff, like updating stuff to
like modernize it and make itlike fit, like current, like

(35:41):
culture, they they really didn'tchange anything at all and like
that, just like, like why whybother doing this thing?
Like why, like, why bring youknow tina fey back to redo the
same thing?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
and I, I feel, like that's part of our podcast
because we needed content rightbecause they did it for us.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
They didn't have to do that, but they did it for us.
No, but like laura and I weretalking about it, I was like I
feel, I feel like this remakewould have landed better with
more of those likeself-referential jokes, like
lean into the fact that, likeyou know, this is the same movie
, like if unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, like I get that , I get you saying that, but
Busy Phillips, busy Phillips, asshe was really good she was
Jenna Fisher as Katie's mom.
They looked like they couldactually be parents I did.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I said that when we were watching.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I was like she looks just like jenna fisher and I
would say renee rappy looks morelike busy phillips than kate
looks like jenna fisher I agreeand like that to be fair.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
The the whole reason why we have this reboot is so
that we could have an entiresong number about math and math
related puns.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Like I feel, calculus Magic number.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I will say at the beginning of the movie, when
they in that song, when she waslike the limit does not exist, I
was like.
I was like, oh, this is like.
I get like the nostalgia thingthat was just too in your face,
like that's such.
You know, that's a, that's aline for the end of the movie,
you don't put at the beginningof the movie.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
You don't need it, it's all in, it's all in our
face all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I was confused why she suddenly didn't know
anything about the limits whenthat was like the first thing
that Tina Fey was teaching andshe was like spitting out all
the answers.
Then all of a sudden she at themath-a-thon.
She's like I don't knowanything about limits.
I was staring into the milkyeyes.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
She had the whole movie making herself stupid and
not really focusing so she couldlook stupid for that.
And I also think there was thatlike thing in the original
where she was going up againstthe girl and like all she could
think about was the mean thingsabout her.
And she's like why am Ithinking these things?
She's not.
Like she's not my competition,like the school's my competition
.
But I don't need to likebelittle this girl too.

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And they kind of did that inthe remake.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
But more like the girl said to her and she's like
I don't need to make fun of yourhair.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
And the girl was like cause she hadn't said that I
was like well, and also you werejust thinking to your point,
andrew, like the whole like song, like reprise in the math
competition was.
You know, I'm good at math, butstupid at love, right, it was
like it wasn't, like she didn'tknow it, it was like she was
remembering.

(38:27):
Like wait a minute, I do knowthis shit.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Let's go yeah, but it was just the final question.
She was like like I don't knowanything about it.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
And then lindsey lohan's like I don't know that
about your life, girl which isso funny, because you would not
have that back and forth betweena moderator.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right, I'm like I'm like hold up, but she knew
everything about the limits whenthey first showed up, or
whatever.
Whatever, as say, opinions arelike apex predators cutting it
cruel, but just as soft andgushy on the inside.
Michael, you're up first.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, I think overall my opinions have sort of
filtered through throughout theepisode.
I don't really like Mean Girlsand I didn't.
I didn't think the musical wasnecessary, Like, I don't like
Mean Girls either.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I don't like it either.
I mean, I don't.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I don't like Mean Girls in my life, but I also
don't like I just I don't likethe movie.
I don't hate the movie, likethere are movies that we've
covered that I hated and regretwatching.
I don't hate the movie likethere are movies that we've
covered that I hated and regretwatching.
I don't regret watching meangirls and I don't regret
watching a musical either, butthey're just like I.
You know, whatever it is whatit is, it's okay, it's not bad.

(39:46):
But yeah, and the musical, like, yeah, fine, it's a musical,
that's fine, I love musical, butthis one was just kind of
unnecessary, didn't, didn't needto happen.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
All right.
So, rob, you tell me what, what, which movie did you like
better?
And what's your, what's yourgushy insides?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
So I will say that, for whatever reason, I didn't
get the memo and did notunderstand that the remake was
going to be a musical.
I don't normally enjoy musicals.
This movie was was pretty good.
I would say I still enjoy theoriginal more, um, but I do like

(40:24):
Jon Hamm's coach character inthe new one and I love the that
there's.
He's the.
I don't know why the gymteachers are sex ed teachers.
I don't know, I don't know howthat happens or why.
Um, but one of my favoriteasides is I feel like it's a
joke that gets passed overreally quickly, but he's uh like

(40:47):
introducing the sex edcurriculum and he's like the
first semester is going to beabstinence and then the next
semester will be condoms andchoking and I just like had to
stifle myself because that washilarious, um and so and then
the other day where he, where herewrites the whor, and it's

(41:11):
like, oh my gosh, john ham is agood comedic actor and he, just
like I think we all think of himas like Don Draper, and so he
I've never watched, mad Men.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I don't think it was that.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's Mad Men.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Rob likes Mad Men.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I've never seen Mad Men, those Mad Mad Boys, so for
me he is just a comedian.
First because I've seen a lotof things as a comedian, so
that's who I see him as.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
He's been in a lot of British talk show stuff which
me and Andrew watch a lot of.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
He was so good For anybody who's seen Mad Men.
Jon Hamm is like kind of got apigeonholed in that.
Yeah, he's like kind of aserious character and so I I
love seeing him in all thesecomedic type things and he's a
really small character but Ihe's like he was like the

(42:04):
standout for me.
Both of the Mrs George's we'regreat and I forgot to bring that
up Busy Phillips and then theoriginal Mrs George's, amy
freaking polar, amy freakingPhillips, and then the original
Mrs George is Amy freakingPoehler, amy freaking Poehler.
She's great at everything.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm a cool mom.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
A lot of the main cast in the new movie is just
not as strong as the originals,Especially Regina.
As much as the singing.
There's some talent there withthe singing parts but it's like
Rachel McAdams just to me,epitomizes the mean girl, even

(42:39):
though she like spent the rest.
She spent like the rest of heracting career trying to get as
far away from being a mean girlas she possibly could by playing
like every plain sweet girlthat she could.
Yeah, she really captured thatrole and I it just felt really
hollow, Even like the originallike song where they introduced

(43:01):
regina wasn't regina in theremake, wasn't she regina in the
original?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
like broadway run he wasn't the original original.
She was in the run like rightbefore covid oh, okay so like
she had a year contract but thenshe only did like eight or nine
months and then hit but she washer first act acting, acting on
date.
Yeah, on uh in film I thinkshe's like a pop, not I don't

(43:29):
pop star.
Like I think I don't reallyknow much about her pop stars
jess, what do you think?
boom.
Yeah, I agree a lot with whatrob said about rachel mcadams,
but I think that about all theplastics, like lacy shover was
amazing as gretchen and I waslike I was disappointed when
they had katie say you can't sitwith us at the end because her
manic you can't see us was sogood in the original.

(43:53):
And amanda sifreed is like sogood as karen, like when she's
just like a mouse and justeverything I saw.
But like I love the originalplastics, I think that damien
and janice were really good, butstill the original damien
janice were better and I willsay that I think that the
original is definitely better.
But I did like the remake.
There was like I did like somethings that they did in the

(44:15):
remake, like having the hyenascene be a music number instead
of like in her head, and that'slike kind of how they did all
those things instead of beingher head doing music number.
But like I was like, oh,they're not gonna do the hyena
scene.
I'm like, oh, there's the hyenascene, but it's a musical
instead.
And but I did miss some of the.
I did I brought like about someof the things before.
But like the, when they'redoing the trust falls and

(44:37):
Gretchen's like I'm just sosorry that I'm so much better
than all of you and like all thegirls except Karen walk away
and she does the trust fall.
She just falls on Karen becauseno one else is there to catch
her.
Like that was pretty great.
But yeah, like I mean I saw theoriginal in theaters with my
mom which that's a weird personto go to see this with but I
really liked it, but then Ididn't really see it again until

(44:58):
I was like maybe like eight,nine years later, and then I
really liked it a lot more as uh, when I saw it later too.
But I think I think the thing iswith.
I think this is definitely moreof a girl's movie and I think
guys definitely like it, butthere's just unless you're a
girl who went through that, ormaybe like a gay guy I really
don't know but you don'tunderstand the mean girlness

(45:21):
that happens in high schoolunless you're there.
Like I had when I was in likemy freshman year of college.
I made friends with a guy oncampus and he had a friend that
was a girl from like a friendthat was his from like high
school and stuff, and she was atotal mean girl about it.
Like we would just be hangingout and she'd like come over and
be like hey, are we gonna goout to the mall later?

(45:43):
And he'll be like yeah, andshe's like just the two of us,
right?
And he'd be like yeah, just thetwo of us.
And then she'd look at me andgive me like a little smirk and
then like walk away.
I'm like okay, and then shelike spread this really weird
rumor about me saying like I wascalling her all these nasty
names and stuff, when I didn'teven talk about her at all, like
I did not care about her, I wasnot friends with her, I didn't
even know her and like she, butshe was just so jealous that I

(46:06):
was hanging out with her friendand so she like started all
these things about me his namethis was the time of mean girls
like we're starting a new birdbook, baby right like you watch
the movie going you watch themovie you might think, oh, this
kind of thing doesn't happen,and maybe it's a little
exaggerated.

(46:27):
But this kind of stuff literallydoes happen all the time, like
the rumors, like the ridiculousthings girls say about each
other and girls.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't know if andrew remembers this scene,
because it's true I don't knowif Andrew remembers this scene
because it's been a long timesince we've watched the original
but Regina's little sister,who's not in the remake.
There's a scene where she'swatching commercial for Girls
Gone Wild and she lifts hershirt up and I remember Andrew

(46:55):
was horrified the first time andhe was like what did she just
do?
And it was so funny because hewas just like absolutely
horrified.
But I think you know, and mikesaid that he doesn't like it
because it's mean girlness.
But I, that's the point is thatit's not saying, oh, this is

(47:16):
cool to be a mean girl.
It's like at the end of sayingno, it's not cool to be like
this, and and I think almost twoon the head with the remake,
though, like they literally haduh damien and uh janice come up
and be like hey, bt dubs, it'snot cool to suck I mean they did
that in the original too, whichI think that was a good, that
was a funny thing that theychanged is that in the original

(47:39):
he comes up like they're in thecar and they're like driving
next to her slowly as they'retalking, and he's like, yes, we
got to go, I've got curfew, Ican't stop the car.
But then in the rear she comesup to him and I'm like I do the
car, but then he's on a scooter.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
And he's like the scooter, and then she just jumps
on at the end.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
That was funny.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
You know what?
That reminded me of, jess, whenour daughter jumped on the back
of your damn scooter at walmartrecently.
She's riding around, she's justhanging on so I think I would
give these movies about a fiveon the ph scale oh boy uh that's
about the ph of you can't killthe ph scale um no you whore you
can't use that more than once.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
I'm trying to make the ph scale happen.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's never going to happen yes, I have two seasons
of it happening, mike, so uh,anyway so for me, I think you
know again, it has been a littlewhile since I saw the original,
but I actually really enjoyedthe musical.
I'm not normally a person wholikes musicals of contemporary
stories.
When it comes to musicals, Ilike the the more fantastical

(48:49):
stories, things you know like,like wicked or the lion king or
or you know just the the moreepic and fantastical it seems,
the more I enjoy it.
So it's funny to be like, yeah,I enjoyed this musical, but
there was part of me kind oflike kind of watching it, going
like I would love to actuallyhave seen this on you know,
broadway in chicago and seeinghow they did these sets and

(49:11):
seeing how they they did thisand there was just some some
ways it was directed I thoughtwas done really well and I
enjoyed it.
So from a technical and filmside of things, I enjoyed it as
a movie, from understanding whatthese girls went through
obviously I have no frame ofreference for that and I'm so

(49:33):
far removed from high school atthis point the story means even
less to me.
So I can understand it and Iunderstand the central message
of you know, don't be a douche,like that's a pretty clear
message.
But like the rest of it fromthe standpoint just didn't speak
to me.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
So, that being said, I I think I like the the remake
better yeah, I think you kind ofhit a good point there, saying
like you would like to see it onstage, and I think there's
truth to that.
My wife said the same thingwhen she watched the movie,
because she actually watched thelike when it first came out,
and she said the same thingshe's like if this.

(50:13):
If I saw this like on stagesomewhere, I feel like it would
land completely differently, andI think I think there's truth
to that.
I think the way the musical waswritten lends itself well to
the stage and seeing it onscreen with so many of the
actresses like actors reprisingtheir roles, it felt unnecessary

(50:33):
.
But I think on stage it wouldhave.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
It would have hit totally differently for all the
reasons that that you called outapparently james franco had
auditioned to play, uh, samuelaaron samuels in the original
and didn't get it, and so thatthey were going to cast him as
the coach in this one and hedidn't get it.
And I think it's funnier thathe was gonna be, it's funnier
that he was gonna be in the twomovies but then didn't get in

(50:56):
either.
Then it would have been if hewould have been in both movies.
I thought you were going to saythey almost cast him as aaron
samuels in the reboot and it'slike I did see also someone said
when, when they said you goglenn coco in the remake it
should have panned a glenn cocoand it should have been, uh,
paul rudd.
He's just a 54 year old lookingthe same as he did in the 90s,

(51:18):
just chilling in school.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I would be really interested to see how they have
the ensemble playing out therest of the school.
I would be very interested tosee this musical and how it's
done from a technical standpoint.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, no, yeah, I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
And it better be on one of those turntable stages,
because I love those.
Let me tell you what you sendme to a musical and you put it
on a turntable stage.
You already star up my book,lazy susan the musical.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Oh stop, the shit writes itself.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I went to a local production of les mis with my
mom, like several years ago, andit was a turntable stage, but
it was not greased and it was soloud and all you could hear you
think that'd be the one thingthey'd make sure was like, yeah,
taking care of you know thiscore mechanic of of the entire
production it's like, eithereither grease it or don't like

(52:14):
if

Speaker 4 (52:14):
you put this on on stage like broadway in chicago,
like I'd go, I'd, you know, beinclined to go see it.
It could be a lot of fun andand it's funny to me that you
have such these, such likedistinct personalities in some
of these characters.
But, like, I think the musicalwill land really well, whereas,
like you have, like um, elf themusical, or like school of rock

(52:35):
the musical, that I think likedon't land as well because, like
those stories thrive on theenergy of the main character and
the actor specifically, likeSchool of Rock without Jack
Black is not School of Rock,right?
Elf without Will Ferrell is notElf, and it's like an

(52:55):
interesting, it's an interestingrealization to to go, like you
know, if I saw this on broadway,it would land differently.
Whereas, like with elf, like ifI saw that on broadway, I'd be
like where the fuck is willferrell, right?
School of rock where the fuckis jack black, like you can't do
school of rock without jackblack but what if it was school
of rock with kyle glass?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I don't know who that is kyle glass rob, save me,
he's the other member ofTenacious D.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Thank you oh my goodness.
Mike we need to take our nerdcards away, wow that's funny,
because I only know him, as I'msurprised you know that, andrew
alright.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Well, our king of listeners has returned, robert,
you know the horns are blowingright now for you, do we?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
have you can.
Are you gonna add some in inpost?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
that's how?
Have you not listened to ourepisodes, rob?
We have the william telloverture horns.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
He has a five minute horn.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to like make him
quieter behind this part,because they's going to go on
way too long.
William Tell speed it up, mydude.
Get that arrow through yourhead and let's go, All right so.
Rob Rob's this kid's head.
Do we have any questions fromlisteners today?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yes.
So, as king of the listeners, Ihave three very important
comments and questions that werebrought up for us to answer
today.
Now you may be wondering, geeRob, king of the listeners, how
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Speaker 4 (55:29):
But if you're going to send the cat, gifts also send
me some Benadryl.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Mike needs Benadryl with that.
Okay, so for today.
Today we have three listeners.
The first one is from Meg3Gan.
If you are going to adapt anamazing musical and first movie
into a reboot, trash, wow,coming in, hot, meg3gan.
Why would you pick such a weakass actress to play Katie?

(55:56):
Wow, further, further.
She couldn't sing for shit.
Wow.
Why would you pick such aweak-ass actress to play Katie?
Wow, further, further, ooh, shecouldn't sing for shit.
Wow, she's getting much angrier, megan, much angrier, and her
acting was even worse.
Ooh, and she certainly doesn'thave.
I'm not even going to say thelast part.
There's an insinuation thatshe's not a natural redhead and

(56:19):
I will get.
That is as far as I will gowith that down down there.
Uh, just stop mike.
Uh, meg three, can I?
I don't know where this, thishostility, comes from.
It.
You sound a little like a meangirl, so we, you may need to
work on this.
As the king of listeners, Iwould ask that you maybe work on

(56:42):
that.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
But what does anybody else?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
think about what she's, what she said I will
agree about the singing part.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I think she was the weak lincoln singing, which she
is the lead of it, so I thinkthat is something that they
should have changed.
I will say she was Betty Brantin the Spider-Man movies.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Very much so MCU tie-ins.
I'm going to say, if you thinkthe original was an amazing
movie, maybe we're not worriedabout your opinion.
Wow, wow.
If you're going to take shotsin the questions, I'm going
gonna take shots on thequestions.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I'm gonna take shots on the answers come at me,
unless, unless she wants tosupport our patreon, then you
can say whatever you want thatthen, yes, yeah, support our
patreon and everything I saidand you're wonderful and we love
you and thank you moving along,emily m asks what do you make
of the decision to make Janicelesbian in the reboot?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Is it patronizing, pandering maybe?
Is that, I don't know Actuallygood?
Is it necessary Either way, andhow does the 2004 version hold
up, given cultural changes,including how it's now less
acceptable to slut shame or fatshame people?

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I think the original holds up because it was written
at a different time.
Like I, I feel like we're, we,like culturally, we, we.
This is one of the things thatthat bugs me a little bit around
, like going back and likelooking at old movies and saying
, well, this like would never beremade today.
It's like, well, it wasn't madetoday, it was made back then.
And like and like it, yeah,fine, it, it.

(58:21):
It doesn't land as well bymodern standards, but like the
standards were different backthen and I'm not necessarily
like trying to make an argumentfor like it was okay to be a
dick in you know 2004, becausewe didn't know any better.
Like that's.
That's not the point.
The point is that like thingswere just different, right, yeah
, like, like, except the factthat they were different then,
and they're different.
The point is that like thingswere just different, right, yeah
, like, like, except the factthat they were different then

(58:43):
and they're different.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I think there's also like there's this difference,
though, also between things likeBreakfast at Tiffany's, where
they cast Mickey Rooney as anAsian character, and like when
doing blackface and stuff likethat's something that yeah, was
wrong then too.
Face and stuff like that'ssomething that yeah, was wrong
then too.
But like thinking about justour generation, like how many of
us, even like in school, saidthe r word just left and right

(59:04):
and it was just something thatwas common and not that it's
okay, it was not okay at all.
But you know, like people wesaid mean things like that to
each other, we didn't havepeople telling us, hey, this is
wrong.
You know, I'm, I was, you know,like there's, especially now we
have google, we have, you know,influencers, we have like all
these things that can tell us,hey, this is why this is wrong

(59:27):
and you should, you know youshouldn't act, you shouldn't say
these things, you shouldn't dothese things.
But we didn't.
I mean, like it was just in allof our pop culture, it was just
around our schools, and like wedidn't really have people
telling us, oh, this is wrong.
And yeah, to look back, like Ido watch things and they say
these, you know slurs and stuffthat were more acceptable at the

(59:47):
time.
But you would never say todayand I cringe, but at the same
time I'm not gonna look at themovie, like never gonna watch
that movie again because theysaid these things, because it
was a different time and it wasand like I think about like
friends is one of the biggestones I hear nowadays and saying
about how homophobic they wereand transphobic and all this
stuff.
I'm like, yes, if you look at itthrough today's lenses, but I
remember like when um carol andsusan got married, that was like

(01:00:10):
the first gay wedding ontelevision and it that was so
progressive at the time and itkind of paved the way for shows
like Will and Grace to be ableto be made.
And it's like you can't, youcan't.
You know, yeah, they, theypaved the way and look back and
say, hey, today that wouldn't begood.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
But you can't really look at it at today's lenses and
be like let's cancel the showbecause it's not what it's not,
it doesn't have the same viewsas today I think we're on the
tail end of like a pendulumswinging too far and too far in
one direction, of people beinglike so afraid of a, of
offending someone, that theywon't make a joke.
And I think we're like in thatphase of like finding that,

(01:00:51):
finding that balance of likewe've been too cautious and now
we're sort of like coming backto the middle where it's like
let's like let comedy be comedya little bit, you know, like the
.
It's like we're starting tofind that that like that sweet
spot, like because part of like,part of comedy, is being a
little bit, you know especiallylike.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You know like taking shots at people sometimes, but
like you could take shots atpeople without being, you know,
aggressively, incentive,insensitive and dickish choice
to make janice a lesbian in thereboot, noting that we are all
straight people, so where it'snot necessarily speaking to any

(01:01:35):
of us, what do you think?
What do you guys think?
Was it a necessary change?
Was it a good change?
Was it a patronizing change?
Was it?
You know what about it?
Because it did change her andRegina's story as well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
It's not.
It wasn't necessary.
It wasn't a necessary change.
I don't think it impacts thestory in any meaning.
I don't think it impacts thenarrative in in a meaningful way
but do we know that janicewasn't actually?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I mean because she could have still been gay in the
original, because they don'tsay, they don't not say, but she
know, not that this makessomeone gay, but she did wear a
suit to prom and have her hairslicked back in a masculine way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
But the difference is , though, is that, in this one
specifically, her lesbianrelationship affected her
relationship with Regina.
She was interested in Reginaand was rebuffed Right I don't
think she was necessarilyinterested in regina.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
She just I think regina knew she was gay and she
used that to hurt her when shedecided hey, this is gonna make
me more popular there was no.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Yeah, there was no.
She was interested in regina.
They were friends like that.
Yeah, that wasn't and that'sand that's why I think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
That's why she, maybe I, maybe I misremember.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I thought that was why she set her backpack on fire
well, she was calling her thatand saying that she was obsessed
with her and it's possible thatshe had a crush on her, but
that wasn't like.
I think it was the obsessionpart.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I think it was the obsession part and so it was in.
Maybe in Regina's mind it's oh,she's obsessed with me because
she loves me, rather than justoh, she's just as Regina, yeah,
and that's and that's kind ofwhy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
And that's kind of why I think it was unnecessary.
It's like it doesn't.
It didn't like you could havethat exchange of oh, she's
obsessed with me without thelike she's obsessed with me
because she's in love with me.
It was.
I think it was an unnecessarychange.
I don't think it.
I don't think it had ameaningful impact on the story.

(01:03:48):
It wasn't a thing that itwasn't a change that had to
happen.
It wasn't like oh, theyobviously like they.
They hinted at, hinted at it atthe in the original, and now
it's like socially acceptable.
So now we have to do it becausethat's just, you know, it's the
OK, it's OK now, like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I mean Damien was gay in the original.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Yeah, it was.
It truly was not like necessary.
Was it bad that they did it?
No, like whatever.
It is what it is, but it wasn'ta necessary change.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I don't think it changes anything, I mean I don't
think it matters whether it'simplied or not.
So it does also show how Reginahurt her in a way that she used
maybe her biggest secretagainst her in order to boost
herself up too.
So I think it's not necessary.
But it's not necessary, it doesadd a layer to their
relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, it does make Regina that much more of a
villain, to out her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Right, you know, yeah , that's true, like if she
wasn't actually out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
She did out.
Her doing that, all right, uh,mike, move or rob, sorry you two
look so similar.
Uh rob, move us on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
We all look alike third and final question yes.
Third and final question comesfrom anna.
Many sequels or reboots want tohave the same feeling of
nostalgic vibe as the likeoriginal, the OG, while
attracting a new audience.
Sometimes the reboot happenstoo late, or they're trying too

(01:05:13):
hard or they just miss the mark.
Does the musical succeed orfall short of what it set out to
do?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Fall short.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
We didn't need this, you know direct to video musical
yeah, I'm gonna say I'm asucker for musicals being turned
into movie, like I'm.
Even though I don't like arianagrande, I'm super excited to go
see wicked.
There's something aboutnon-broadway people who do
musicals, who they just don'thave that energy that you see on
stage, and I think it's becauseyou have to have a different

(01:05:43):
energy on stage than you do in amusical but the interesting
thing there is like in some, tosome extent, acting for film is
different than acting for stage.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Right, like like not everybody who right, like the
same way that you're saying, noteverybody who succeeds on film
is going to succeed in a musical.
Not everybody who succeeds onbroad is going to succeed in a
musical.
Not everybody who succeeds onBroadway is going to succeed on
film.
Like there's a little bit of a,there's a little bit of a
balancing act there.
Like the medium is is totallydifferent, with like
multi-camera, multi-camerasetups and stuff.

(01:06:16):
Like like staging a scene onthe stage is very different than
staging a scene for film Ithink the one other thing,
though, it's to answer anna'squestion directly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
You know she says does it have the same feel or
nostalgic vibe as the og and I?
I think to me that's part ofwhat I struggled with trying to
figure out why.
Again, why did tina fey comeback to this other than a
paycheck, like I mean, I'm sureshe's not hurting for money,
she's a successful comedian andactress.
So I'm like, why did she comeback to this?

(01:06:53):
And I think it must be thatfeeling like she wanted to
modernize something that shethought was important, an
important story to tell,especially in the age of
cyberbullying that we're in now,and so I think that in that way
it it does, and jess even saidit feels very like shot for shot
kind of, or or even, you know,pull for pull, punch for punch,
whatever, um, beat for beat, busfor bus.

(01:07:15):
It is important in that waythat that you give something
that people, a new audience, aregoing to want to watch.
They're going to, they're goingto, you know, the outfits, the,
whatever the, the, not the cellphone technology, but whatever
you know like, people are goingto watch this movie who would
not necessarily have gone backand watched the original mean
girls.
And I think that makes itworthwhile, because it is a good

(01:07:36):
, worthwhile message, especiallyconsidering how much justice
said yeah, this, this is howterrible high school girls
really are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
And I want to put it that way.
Um, I forgot to mention this,but you saying that made me
think.
I will say at least tina feyknows where her talents lie,
because that was funny when shewas almost starting to sing in
the gym and she's like nope, yes, that was, that was like
brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
I thought that was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Nope, not doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
I thought that was very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Yeah.
So, anyways, I think to me doesit miss the mark?
Sure, maybe for us, for usoldies.
I hope it hits the mark for theintended audience, the people
that the new generation thatshe's trying to reach.
At least, that's what I thinkher goal is, if her goal was
just to make another paycheck,then I guess go cash that

(01:08:29):
paycheck lady.
If you happen to be a youngerperson listening to us thanks
for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I'm sorry that we're old I'm very shocked that you're
.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
But let us know these old people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Tweet us on the twitter.
Shoot, we're old, we're callingit twitter.
Uh, tweet us.
No, we just know what's right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Tweet us on the instagram still call it the
sears tower too and that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
And yeah, I don't know.
I'd be curious.
I'd be curious if any of ourlisteners would say, yeah, I,
I'd prefer to see this as amusical with more fashion, that
I'm used to the idea that peoplewere posting stuff to Instagram
or TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I do think that social media fundamentally
changed bullying.
That might not be somethingthat we truly understand until
our kids are at that age wherethey're in high school.
Kids are at that age wherethey're in high school.
Adding that element into thismovie is important because it
shows teenagers who are growingup now.
I think the core behavior isstill the same.

(01:09:32):
Like Jess is saying, it's likeand now it doesn't just stay in
the classroom or in thecafeteria or at the gym.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I do think that was something important that they
did kind of address, and it wasjust a tiny little thing.
But with the whole Gretchenthing I'd be like no, she's
fragile, Don't mess with her.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And actually that's what I was just going to say.
Honestly, it made me really sad.
It almost broke my heart whenGretchen was in her closet and
she pulled out that little musicbox and she was singing that
piece and I found myselfthinking about about my daughter
and I was like.
I was like is is she going togive away something that I've

(01:10:10):
given her, that was important toher, to one of her friends to
try to win some kind of stupidpopularity?
thing from someone and it'shonestly, like it broke me a
little bit to think about thatlike something that is super
enriching and important to heras a kid.
Will she feel the need to giveit away to try to win the love
of someone?

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I think that's one of those things about this movie
that feels unnecessary.
It's like you have moments likethat.
They never came back to thatmoment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, came back to that moment, yeah, except when
they had uh katie, then say, no,let's destroy gretchen as well.
And I, and, and honestly,that's one thing that makes you
really feel like no, no, yes,destroy gretchen as well.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
But then they never came back to that like moment of
gretchen being like am I broken?
Like what's wrong with me?
yeah and I think that's one ofthe things that they did do in
the original is like you hadthis level of closure of how
everybody moved on and like grewfrom the fallout of taking down

(01:11:18):
Regina George.
Like everybody sort of likegrew and moved on from that and
you saw that like road torecovery for people who kind of
been like victimized by this.
Like you know, the plastics,like in high school and the the
reboot didn't, didn't do thatlike they didn't, like they

(01:11:38):
didn't revisit the like likegretchen feels broken and say
she's not broken.
They never did that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, well, and I will say like also it's a missed
thing.
Even from the original.
The part that always kind oflike made me sympathize and
actually feel bad for Regina waswhen they're saying you can't
sit with us because you're inyour sweatpants and she's like
this is the only thing that fitsme right now, because girls are
sexualized and bodies arecommented on, since from the day

(01:12:09):
they're born and you know, forsome girls, their bodies are the
only thing that they cancontrol in a way that they can
be like okay, well, look at mybody, this is something that's
great, so that you can like me.
And so I always that, even nomatter how nasty and mean Regina
was, that line always breaks myheart, because that's something

(01:12:32):
that pretty much every girlgoes through, whether it's
family, friends, boyfriends,girlfriends just somebody is
always commenting on a woman'sbody, girlfriends just somebody
is always commenting on awoman's body, and it's the one
thing that's like a lot of girlstry to control, to just, you
know, be seen as a human, andit's really sad and I I do wish

(01:12:54):
they would have focused on thatmore too.
Like just you know, I kind oflike how they made regina like a
little bit more likable in theend because she was on drugs and
was like I am sorry and I likeyou, but yeah, that's something
that always hurt my heart alittle bit all right, well, not
to go out on a downer, but Imean it is, it is uh, you know,

(01:13:17):
it is true, there is a lot oflike emotion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
That comes even in a comedy sometimes, you know, and
I think that's always good whenthey can pull that out of you
and make you feel something andnot just the laughs and the
goofs.
So, you know, grabs your heartby the balls.
No, so Rob will get us somegreat Twitter gifs for Instagram

(01:13:44):
and TikTok Before we go.
We haven't done this in a longtime and actually the things
we're saying now will be longout by the time this episode
comes out.
So you're like in a time warp.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Time capsule.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you're in a pocket dimension, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
You're in that little tiny pocket on your denim jeans
.
You're in a pocket dimension,don't worry.
You're in that little tinypocket on your denim jeans.
You're in that dimension.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
The one that's for coins, but we don't carry change
anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
See, I thought it was for pocket watches, which we
don't carry those anymore either, we don't wear penny loafers,
and now it's for your iPod minis, which we don't carry anymore,
we don't carry carry anymoreeither.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Huh, I still have my Zune.
I never had a Zune.
I'm lying, I was going to saythat's a lie.
I love putting a prize Allright, well, anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
so let's start out.
Rob, what are you lookingforward to?
What are you looking forward towatch?
What's coming out, what's onyour list?
Just give me one movie, maybeone tv show I would say deadpool
and wolverine.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I'll say deadpool and wolverine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I said one movie.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
It might be one movie it is one movie, oh that's the
title is is deadpool andwolverine uh just because it's
gonna be bonkers and like fun,it's going to be bonkers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
It's going to be fun, it's going to be amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds are like good friends
and so I know it's going to belike a fun time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
There's a rumor that Taylor Swift's going to be in it
Alright, perfect, michael, whatare you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Yeah, yeah, deadpool and Wolverine, it's going to be
so good.
Cannot wait, cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I'm going for my birthday.
It's gonna be amazing.
We're gonna have to come backin and re-edit this when it's
bad and we're like I'll tell youit's gonna be bad it won't be
bad.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
It will not be bad.
Mark my words it will benothing but cinema.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
It will be cinematic perfection oh no, mike's getting
a fucking woody here, dude, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
I'm not even gonna deny it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
There's a snake in my boots.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Jess, I don't know how you come down off that
energy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Well, I'm going to add to it because, for TV, I am
so excited for the second halfof Bridgerton, season three.
The carriage scene has not leftmy mind, if you know.
You know, and Andrew's going towatch it with me, even though
he claims he doesn't like it DidGrandma get run over by a
carriage.
No, but Grandma Rogers wouldhave loved that scene.
I'm just going to put that outthere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Mike, that's true, grandma Rogers would have been
all over Season 3,.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Episode 1.
First mention of Grandma Rogersin the new season, it's Nana
Rogers, rob.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Nana Rogers sorry season.
It's nana rogers sorry um formovies.
I'm totally expecting it to beterrible, but I'm kind of
looking forward to borderlands.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
I know it's gonna be bad, but I'm excited I kind of
forgot borderlands was happeningand that's gonna be that every
time, I know, but even if it'sbad, it's gonna be good talking
about borderlands for like ayear on this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
You're trying to hide it from your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
No, even if it's bad, it's going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
It's in your mind palace.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Jack Black as Claptrap is perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
That's like the only casting choice that I think is
even remotely good though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
For me.
I really thought one of youwere gonna say furiosa and you
didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
So I knew you were gonna, actually I'm not because
it's already out like a monthout by the time this comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, now, this weekend it came out.
This weekend it's bombed at thebox office because of you,
andrew, you didn didn't go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Well, I'm not going to say Furiosa, okay, the movie
I am actually most lookingforward to that will probably be
out somewhere near about thetime this episode comes out is
Twisters.
I almost said Twisters, but Idon't know, if.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
I'm going to like that one either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I am fully anticipating it to be a catch
grab.
But let's be honest what,what's, what Nostalgia?
Dripping goose balls aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
We lost two great actors from the original Twister
.
In this ad I'm also lookingforward to well tentatively
looking forward to the nextalien movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, why are like three?
Out of the four movies we said,sounds going to probably be
super bad.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
It does.
I am worried just because it'sjust how things have been.
But also it does look scary.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
It looks a little more like the first two original
movies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
It reminds me of a movie I think we were going to
get from Neil Blumenkamp.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah, and so I think it's going to get from Neil
Blumenkamp, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
And so I think it's going to be like what that would
have been so.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I'm hopeful.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I'm hopeful, but not Let me put it this way I'm not
clenching Because it's a fewmonths away.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Yes, that's a weird choice of words.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
No, I chose my words correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I would take a reboot .
My words correctly scares me.
I think he's he's hugging areboot.
I would take a reboot, slashretcon and do a third one with,
even if it's a new cast eventhough I would, it would not be
the same without support withsigourney weaver and have it
where, like newt and them,survive and there's a third
movie that was neil bomb camp'smovie.
Yeah, but they're too old now,so they can't well no.
Now the whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I mean not the whole point, but it would have worked
with an older sigourney yeah,they were just gonna have the
alien alien resurrection stylethat was.
Yeah, I was gonna say thatalready happened oh, I only saw
the first one you haven't seenaliens nope, mike

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
oh, mike, oh mike aliens is like a load-bearing
film for like all of sci-fi myoh, everything, mike this is
what I'm a software engineer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
I was a really bad film student.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I can't believe you've never seen aliens.
You need to go to bed latetonight.
I've only seen the first alien.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
I've seen one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Terminator which one?

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Mike, again the sequel is better that you
haven't seen.
Why are you picking the onesthat have the best sequels?

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
He's like I saw the first Star Wars, never saw
Empire.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Strikes Back.
Empire Strikes Back was a greatmovie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
That's a joke, mike.
Terminator 2 Judgment Day isthe quintessential, perfect
action movie.
Ah, you haven't seen it?
You cannot debate me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Mike, you have no ground to stand on my young man.
No it's not a perfect actionmovie.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Born Identity is pretty close to a perfect action
movie.
No, it's not a perfect actionmovie.
Born Identity is pretty closeto a perfect action movie.
No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Born Identity never even comes out if Judgment Day
doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
No, born Identity is All right.
Well, thank you for joining uson this episode of Reputed
Season 3.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
We'll see you next week when we talk about that one
and only orange cat Gar theField Lasagna as the Murray, bye
, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Rob says I can't gaslight you guys the whole
episode.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Oh man, that was funny, though, when you did that
, I loved that.

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