August 28, 2023 • 49 mins
We're delving into the character arcs and themes of Blue Beetle, from the dialogue to the character development of Jaime, and the rest of the cast. But that's not all; we discuss the themes of family and power that are woven throughout the film, and we're not afraid to point out its inconsistencies and disappointment in this Latino Superhero Film.
Episode Chapter Markers:
(00:00) - Discussion on Blue Beetle Movie Ratings
(06:33) - Comparing Blue Beetle to DC Movies
(11:54) - Critical Discussion of a Superhero Movie
(27:09) - Flaws in Ethnic Casting
(41:22) - DC Movies and James Gunn's Universe
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dude, how was your cinema night?
How did you go to the movies?
How was it, dude?
Did you really like going tothe movies tonight?
Yeah, yeah, how about you, bro?
Don't worry about me, man, Ijust really want to ask about
you.
How did you?
How did you the movie you saw?
You like the movie you saw?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I don't know, I didn't like it, but it wasn't
that bad.
It wasn't that bad.
Hey everybody.
Today is August 23rd on 2023,me and Slick and our friend Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Newman 2023.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh yeah, right, Just came back from watching Blue
Beetle, which came out lastThursday, and speaking of cinema
night, actually this weekend,slick we were talking about it.
Sunday, which is the 27th, isactually cinema day and the
movies are going to be $4 thatday, supposedly.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So I want to go on a I want to restart my my
barbenheimer that weekend.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
If you watch barbenheimer that Sunday, that
is crazy, bro, that's a.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yo, that is crazy, that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I enjoyed it.
It was a great.
Yeah, it was a great day forcinema, but man it was.
I was still in the theaters fora very fucking long time and
yeah that's like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
well, combining three hours plus two hours is five
hours.
That's five hours in theater.
Yeah, Five hours of sitting.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and I've been thinking about it since.
I wonder if it impacted thequality of the second movie I
watched.
So the second movie I watchedwas Barbie, and which I liked
and it was a good movie, but Iwonder if I would have enjoyed
it more if I saw it, if I saw iton its own, you know, when I
wasn't in the fucking theatersfor like five hours already,
(01:36):
because Oppenheimer is threehours.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm surprised you guys made it for two days that
day.
I mean for two movies that day,because after one movie I got
to like digest it and then gohome, slid it, digest and then
get ready for the next one thenext day.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I agree.
I agree, but this is a hugeoccasion it was.
It was honestly like it wascool to see people in theaters
like and every lot of people didit, and it was nice to see that
many people there and that manypeople excited about a movie in
the theaters.
It was a great day and I wasglad I got to partake in it.
So, um, but anyways, todaywe're going to talk about Blue
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Beetle.
It's funny because we didn'tknow that we were going to
record this episode on thistoday and we didn't know that
we're going to do it on this.
But last episode we ended uptalking a lot about DC and the
Snyderverse and here we are.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's a good follow up.
We segue to another episode.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, and you know Blue Beetle, directed by Angel
Manuel Soto, who's a PuertoRican director.
Shout out, yay, Yay, it's allthe Puerto Rican's out there.
It's not his debut film, but Ithink it's.
It's definitely his biggestfilm thus far.
Ron Simeo's score of 77 and theaudience score of 91.
What, what'd you think of BlueBeetle's like?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The rating.
Want to get my rating.
What would you think?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What's your rating on it right now?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'll give it.
I like there was a few momentsthat like I think the most
process is decent, like it's notgood but it's not bad either.
What it's like.
I'll give it like uh, what is,what is 50s?
50s are like okay, range, right, nah?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
it's funny, it's 50s.
Okay, now it's still.
It's still rotten.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So it's 50s rotten basically right, 50s, 100%
around.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's 50s failing.
You know, if you got a 50 in anexam, that's not.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You are not passing that, but I know 60s is still,
they're still good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean tomato.
Some people say a D is passing,some people don't you know 60s,
I think is?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it's not 60s, it's 5.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think average personally is 7.
70 is average and I know that'sfucking weird for people to say
, well, I is in 5 average.
Um, because we're not rating.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Because I've seen tomatoes with 50s and it's still
like plump.
It's still red 50s.
Nah, no way yeah yeah, justsome, unless they change the
algorithm.
Back in my day, back in myround tomatoes days, 50s was
just okay.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
When at least 60% of reviews for the movie are
positive or red tomatoesdisplayed.
Less than 60 is not positive.
It'll be a splat.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's interesting, all right?
Well, okay, I'll give it like a54.
A 54.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I am honestly surprised that it's it's doing
as well as it is on roundtomatoes.
Somebody had to pay these mofasout.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I wonder who the reviewers are.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's definitely not that bad.
I don't think it's that bad so.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's better than the, than the, the like in earlier
DC movies.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's, that's for sure.
I agree.
Um, if I had to rate the movie,I would give it also a 50.
I would also give it a 50.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But it, you know, it has potential.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It has potential, just a 50.
It has potential, you know what?
All right, maybe like ahonestly 58.
You're right, I'd give it a 58because I think it has
potentials and it and it, thethings that it gets right uh, it
really does get right and Iappreciate it.
Um, but compared to all theMarvel movies, is it better than
like, let's go through it,let's go to start with like
Marvel movies?
(05:14):
Is it better than Iron man, theIncredible Hulk, Iron man 2,
thor, captain America, theAvengers, hell, no.
Is it better than Iron man 3?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I think so Wait, is it?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
better than Avengers.
I'm saying no, it's not betterthan Avengers.
It's not better than any of themovies I said already.
Is it better than Iron man 3?
Yes.
Is it better than Thor, theDark World?
Yes, absolutely.
Um, is it better than Ant-Man?
Personally, I'm not a bigAnt-Man guy.
I thought those movies werekind of really lame.
Childish, yeah, childish, and,like you know, paul Rudd's great
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.
You know some of the parts werefunny, but I'm not.
I didn't think they were thatgood.
And Blue Beetle definitely,conceptually, is way cooler than
Ant-Man.
So let's see Thor Ragnarok.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
What did you say is better than the new Ant-Man that
came out early this year?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, the Quantum.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Mania yes.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It is better than Quantum Mania.
The only thing that QuantumMania has that this movie
doesn't have, and this movie hasa pretty good villain in Care
Packs.
Yeah, In Care Packs they had afucking.
They had Kang the Conqueror,who was played by none other
than Jonathan Majors.
So that's what Ant-Man QuantumMania has, Jonathan Majors.
(06:28):
Jonathan Majors brah like ass.
But you know, like I just nameda couple of movies, this is
definitely better than.
It's better than Ant-Man andthe Wasp, I think.
And as far as DC goes, it's.
It's better than Aquaman.
That's to percentage.
Sure it's better than Aquaman.
It's better than Joe Hex.
It's way better than GreenLantern.
It's better than the originalSuicide Squad.
It's, in my personal opinion,it's better than.
(06:52):
It's better than Justice League.
To me, I think it's better thanShazam.
Oh, I like just, it's betterthan Wonder Woman 1984.
My personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's like so look, it's not good, it's not a good
movie, but it's.
It's a step in the rightdirection, I think, and it and
it had a lot of potential.
So, right off the bat, forthose who don't know one, I've
been reading comics for a longtime and I'm definitely, when it
comes to reading comics, aBigger DC fan than I am a Marvel
fan.
So I have to go out and watchthese, these movies, especially
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when the superheroes Latin based, hispanic based, especially
when the directors Puerto Rican.
So I was pretty excited aboutthis blue beetle.
There are different renditions.
I've read the comics when Tedcord was blue beetle or when
Jaime Ramiz was blue beetle.
They're two differentcharacters.
The story for Jaime is thatthere's an alien scarab from an
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alien planet that comes andthey're known as, like a world
destroyer, and it chooses a hostand it chooses Jaime Reyes and
he gives them superpowers, itgives them a sue and, like, he
can make any weapons he wants,he can fly, he has regeneration,
it it Impews itself in his DNAand they become like the
symbiotic, very much kind oflike venom, honestly, very much
(08:20):
like venom.
Except the original blue beetlewas Ted cord, who actually
didn't have the scarab, choosehim.
He used the scarab to kind ofpower and influence a lot of his
weapons.
But he was a genius.
He had like an IQ of like 192and he was, according to the
comics, smarter than Batman.
He was skilled in martial art.
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He had like Olympic athleticism.
So I mean the dude, I was asuperhero in his own right.
You know he went out there, hemade a suit and you know he
fought crime.
He was very silly and all hisstuff was very, very like his
gadgets Always had like beetlelogos on them or like beetle
inspired ship was called the bug.
(09:02):
But the new one, the new 52blue beetle.
And Jaime Reyes is different.
He's a young guy.
In the movie he's graduatingcollege.
From when I read in In thecomics he was graduating high
school, so they aged them alittle bit more for the movies.
And he's Mexican American,coming from Mexican family in
Paloma city, which is anothermade-up city that DC made.
(09:24):
All right.
So let's start here, since Igive you kind of the wait, ted
court is a.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
When was he originated?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
when Ted court is in the comics.
I want to say, like 1950s iswhen he came out of comics, wow.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't even know.
Blue beetle was one way back asnuts.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
He was in the Justice League.
The first appearance was inCaptain Adam 83 in 1966.
Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, that's way back .
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know he was yeah, he
ends up being the Justice Leagueand then being a big part of
Justice League International andCourt industries are pretty
important.
In the comics they rival star,which is more popular.
It's in the spider-man comicsand was in the video games, but
same same concept, more or lesscourt industries.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Is.
He is court, is court family.
They're Brazilian right nothey're white.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They're white Right in the movies.
Ted court Marys, brazilian, hasa daughter, jenner and Jenny
cord.
Yeah, that's why she wasBrazilian.
Yeah, but let's start off withthis movie, since you have the
concept down of his superpowers,his origin and, and, I guess,
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the family and you know why.
It was kind of different in thenew 52 or when.
The new 52 is like when theyrebooted all the comics for
those of you that don't know, inDC.
I mean, it was cool whathappened when me and slickery
younger and we're all about it,it was huge, I think.
Dc is doing way better thanMarvel.
Back then, the new 52 Everybodywas getting and they had great
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writers and Scott Snyder forBatman.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, that's a stack green Lancer.
We're buying everything.
We came in at a right time.
Yeah, we came in at a righttime.
We came in like when they juststarted.
I think, right, yeah, um,that's just that was beast, that
was a beast arrow.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It really was.
And then and then, after Marvelreally hit it off with the
movies DC.
I wasn't being able to keep upsince and we talked about this
before and I'll talk about thisearlier.
It's just like the Marvelmovies they are winning because
they're not hooking just thecomic book fans, they're hooking
regular people by making goodmovies, you know.
But DC, only people who arecomic book fans are going to
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watch blue beetle.
I don't even know if peopleknow blue beetles out right now.
Honestly and I have I have noright To try and get one of
those guys to watch it becausethat movie wasn't good
objectively.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I would recommend that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's hard for me to recommend that but it it did
have its moments and I'm excitedto talk about it.
I really am, because the thingsthat it got right.
It kind of gives me hopeful forthe future and, as much as I'm
Trashing it, I'm telling you Ithink that it's worth it and if
you're a DC head or I thinkyou're gonna find a lot of
things I think it's a latino orlatina I think you're gonna find
a lot of the qualities in thismovie that you're like.
(12:17):
Yeah, you know they hit thatthat nail on the head and that
was good.
I wish they did some thingsbetter, but you know they're on
the right track.
So, uh, what are the thingsthat you you didn't like about
the movie?
What I didn't like.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, well, right off the bat, I don't like.
I didn't like the inconsistencybetween, like, the moral
dilemma between the family andthe main character of the not
killing.
No, first of all, this is goingto be spoiler.
Yeah, I don't know if we didabsolutely free warning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't think I have no warning.
I'm about to spoil it.
Right now.
I don't think anybody'swatching this movie, so we might
as well let them know what themovie is about.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Um, what, what else do you need?
There's gonna be.
Yeah, so there was a moredilemma of, like the main
character not wanting to killbut like the family, towards the
end of the movie, when they'retrying to rescue this guy, the
main character.
They basically was held captiveby like Court and corporation,
whatever the fuck they're called.
They were like an evilcorporation and they were like
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they had the guns and everythingand they had like the Uh, a
scapegoat machine that they wereinside and they were gonna
rescue hymen and they would juststart killing people.
There was the grandmother had agaling gun.
She started killing people,fuckin uh.
There was a character named uh,what was his name?
George Lopez, was it ray?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
rudy was no.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Rudy.
Rudy had was controlling thescare of and he was stabbing
people.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I didn't mind that.
I like that they're killingpeople, but I fucking I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I didn't.
I didn't like that.
The main character didn't wantto kill.
Like if you're gonna make themkill and he's seeing it and he's
like chairing them on, theymight, as he might as well, just
kill it too.
It was just a majorinconsistency.
There's no, I just didn't likethat, that direction of writing,
and even he was supporting them.
You know Like it just doesn'tmake sense, it's true.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, that goes back to the biggest problem with
hymen, who's played by ZoloMaria, who got big from the
Cobra Kai Netflix show, whichwas originally a youtube show.
He got big from that and theyused him and honestly I never
really thought he was that badof an actor.
I think he's a great crier, butin this movie he was not that
good.
One of my biggest stripes ofthe movie was that acting was
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not good.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But same thing like Acting trash, but to your point,
for his 10 minutes I'm like ohyeah, I saw some.
I saw some seeds.
Yeah, I was not, I was cringing, I was making acting is it's so
important for these movies?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
because, look, it's already You're talking about
comic book shit and very muchlike anime comic book shit is
gonna happen.
You know that just isn'tBelievable or it's not good, but
you know it's like the typicaltropes.
So you need to have good actorsto really ground the audience.
That needs to be very like apriority.
But but as you're saying, like,yeah, jaime was his, his, I
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guess, most prominent qualitywas they didn't want to kill
people, but his family didn'tmind and that's okay.
But that's the only thing thatthey gave us for Jaime.
Very much like Venom.
I don't like the Venoms.
I think they're trash, becausethe whole time it really feels
like Tom Hardy is not even thecharacter he doesn't want to
fight.
Every time they're fighting itreally feels like Venoms
completely taking control.
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So when they're getting his asbe, he's always just like Venom,
come help me out, or likenothing feels like Tom Hardy
plays a role in it.
You know he's just a host.
And they do the same thing forJaime, where it's like yeah,
like like Jaime doesn't doanything, he can't fight,
there's nothing, you don't knowif he can fight.
He's not athletic at all.
They don't ever show that he'sathletic and then he's whooping
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people's ass and he's asking forhelp from Kazida the whole time
.
You're just like this guy isliterally just the suit.
He's just a host.
His only quality in the wholemovie.
The only time you get to seehim be a hero is when he decides
not to kill somebody and thenhis family ends up killing
people.
So yeah, I guess you're right.
The other very.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This seems where he's like ruining his grandma.
Keep go, grandma.
And he's like shredding people.
It's like bro.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, it's true, his whole thing is like don't kill
anybody that his grandma fuckingGatling gun?
Machine guns like fucking 10motherfuckers yeah just cheering
them on.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You know, the writing was bad.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The writing wasn't good enough and it's kind of
like Tom said, and especiallylike there's a lot of like.
Obviously, jaime is talking tothe symbiote that controls body,
kaji dial, which is the name,and there's a lot of dialogue
where he's like what is that?
What's going on.
What is it?
What are they doing when we cansee what they're doing?
It's like dumb questions likewhat is that?
It's a guy running at youfull-fledged with a body of
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armor like don't, we can seewhat's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You know that's not it's not good when he gets
stabbed and he's like, oh my god, what'd you do to me?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, he's like oh, what is that dog?
You got stabbed, bro, what'swhat's up?
And and he and I know he's nota bad actor and it's really
tough to Distinguish if it's badacting or bad script, because
George Lopez, we know, isn't abad actor and there were moments
in there that were cringe.
Suzanne serendon is not a badactress.
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Oh, she was in like rock orshow and stuff and and she
wasn't very believable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Her character was the worst.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, bruno Maudencine, which was the like
of another.
She was a pretty big character.
She's plays Jen cord, who's thedaughter of Ted cord, and she's
actually making her firstappearance in the movie.
She does not exist in the comicbooks, neither does uncle Rudy.
Um, she wasn't that bad, butwhen she had scenes with
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Victoria cord, susan serendon,they were not good.
None of it was believable.
They could have done a lot.
The grandma Nana, who's playedby Adriana bizara, and the
mother, who's played by El Pidia carillo.
They were not good actors.
They were not good actresses.
They were so bad.
It hurt me really bad.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Who's the main antagonist name?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Victoria cord.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, okay, victoria, yeah, she was that, I'm talking
about her.
She was the worst character.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I was not convinced, yeah she's funny because she's a
good actress, but she was veryevil.
But they didn't give heranything other than the fact
that she was evil.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And if you're gonna do that, that's fine, but then
evil.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, but then you need to put more emphasis on the
other villain, carapax, who'splayed by railroad through G,
who I thought was a good actorand a really cool character, who
they also changed his wholelike origin story, because
Originally he's an architect whogoes to investigate an island
when he finds a secret lab byJarvis cord, who's the
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grandfather of Ted and Victoriacord, and he finds a robot and
when he touches it he becomeslike electrocuted, loses control
of his body and like his souland mind gets stuck in this
Indestructible robot.
Then he goes on killingmotherfuckers and you know he
shows up in a couple comics buthe, I think, is Blue Beetle's
main rival.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This guy, that actress.
Yeah, hurt me seeing her actlike that.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, it wasn't good, it's, it's really cool.
So, like I said, the old bluebeetle he was Ted court,
theodore cord and his sister'sVictoria cord, and she's kind of
the smarter one in the recentcomics.
She wasn't as evil as she wasin this movie.
In the comics she did someweird stuff but she wasn't like
that.
But um, she you know, ted cordsmissing in this movie and she's
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in charge and she wants to,like you know, take the company
in a different direction.
When their father died andpassed on, who was gonna keep
the company gave it to Ted cordand Victoria.
She was really salty about that.
So when, when Ted went missingand she took over, she just
wants to like, build technologyand like, change the diversion,
do whatever the fuck she wants,make an army.
So that's her whole thing, youknow, which is okay, that's fine
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.
I didn't think she was all thatbad, but I'll take it.
The let's see other things,other things you don't like here
.
We talked about this verybriefly and Tom mentioned it and
it's something I never reallythought about before is true, dc
needs to stop with thesemade-up towns and cities.
Like I said, there's alreadylike this imaginary concept.
It's really hard to ground theaudience and making Paloma City
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instead of Miami or you knowsomewhere in Texas.
It's not a good idea, it's.
It's just weird and the waythat Victoria played out.
Yeah, and the way, the only,like we said, the only thing I
didn't get away with this Gotham.
Gotham's the only one you canget away with, but other than
that, use real cities, bro.
Nobody, nobody knows, nobodycan name where flashes from.
It doesn't make anybody kind ofproud and you need people to
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feel connected to thesecharacters.
Another thing yo, in this movie, victoria cords like straight
up set like a fucking army withhelicopters and guns to this
random town In the family and,no, there's no police to be
found.
Nobody cares, like these guysare fucking Government though.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
right the court?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, of course you know, and if they are, you need
to make some correlation here.
Man, you need to connect us tosome type of cuz.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I remember in the beginning of the movie she had a
helicopter and she was like sheflowed down to the base and a
little yeah is she part of thearmy?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
There's no, nothing made sense.
They need to connect us toreality.
I understand as a comic book,and I know that sounds really
weird, but Marvel does it, bro,they do it.
There was those other than theacting and the script.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And lines.
You mentioned it before.
There was too much, too muchreliance on dialogue, like there
was not enough visualstorytelling and too much
reliance on dialogue.
It's true, and I'm justpointing out the obvious.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, you're right.
And Raul through you, who playsthe villain, care packs?
He is a half body, half robot.
You know, half body war veteranlieutenant who had, you know,
was taken by you know some SouthAmerican or Central American.
I don't know if he's Mexican ornot.
I think he's Mexican.
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He was made as like, captured bythe military, made to fight a
war, and then he watches hismother die Through an A-POM
strike.
And then he looks at themissile and it's named after
court industries.
You know, they're kind of likethe stark industries of these
things, like they were makingweapons, and for some strange
reason he's working with thecourts now.
It doesn't make sense, bro.
And then he's carrying aroundthis little like necklace with a
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with a gold heart and insidethere's a picture of his mother
and him, and the whole time he'ssaying shit like your love for
your family makes you weak.
When he's fighting, hate highme.
That doesn't make sense.
And then at the end he sayssome shit like oh, my memories
are back to the Victoria cordbefore he kills her and you're
just like your memories are gone, like you're telling me this
right now.
It's like ten movies to themovie ends like this is fucking
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crazy.
This is not.
This is horrible writing.
What are you doing?
What's going on here?
It wasn't good.
Oh, I was like yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I was super lackluster.
The ending I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah and man, it was not.
It was not a funny movie.
It hurt every time they made ajoke that they thought was gonna
be funny and it wasn't it was.
How are you missing that, bro?
Who's the funny person that'stelling them that these jokes
are funny because it's not good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's really was pretty funny.
I think I was probably Rudy athis moments most funny in that
way.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, george Lopez.
George Lopez had his moments,sure, sure, but you know, very
but he had a lot of moments thatweren't funny either, and it
wasn't, it wasn't his fault mostof most of the scenes were
cringe.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, this is.
This is a problem withsuperhero movies.
They make a lot of it's toolight-hearted, yeah it can be
both DC and Marvel.
Like it's, like it gets way toolight.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
At least Marvel's funny.
At least Marvel's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Not for me.
I'm kind of it's played out forme at this point Now.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Guards the galaxy three made me laugh a lot.
Made me laugh a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's a, that's a banger.
It's on Disney right now.
That's just.
It's a good movie.
So yeah there's.
So there's things we did wrong.
We talked about the plot alittle bit.
It was weird, not very goodaligned, the acting was bad, the
script was bad, but it had hadpotential.
And once again, I'm gonna saythis again Jaime had no nothing
to him as a character.
And then they did the samething with the comics.
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This guy isn't an athlete, he'snot martial arts, it's not
super smart, he's not a supergood person and I'm sure he is,
but they don't ever show me.
You know, his family wasamazing.
His family was.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, that's it, and he did one thing I liked about
the movies that they definitelyadded like the family was More
attached to the plot, which Ididn't expect, and I thought
that was something I you don'treally see in superhero movies.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know, Mostly like the family would be introduced
and then they would like forgetabout it and move on, but they
were a big part of this film andthat's what makes this
superhero so exciting for me is,like that's true, like I'm glad
that he does not try to hidehis identity from his family.
You know, that's something thatI think it's an overplay trope
and I like that.
I love how important family is.
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That's ethnic, you know, usLatinos, latinos, you know.
Like that is family, likefamily is everything for us, you
know, and I love that they putthat in.
But the way they put it in wasjust a little bit too cheesy.
I mean, it wasn't well done.
The things I did, like all thescenes with the father played by
Damian Al-Qassad were amazing.
They were like legit, like theybrought a lot of much for me.
(25:40):
Like if that movie continued atthat capacity, it could have
made me cry.
But the scenes with the fatherexplaining how important the
family is, you know, not reallyknowing what his destiny is, and
just like you know, losing thehouse, having a heart attack,
and just like working andworking and like hey, don't
worry, we're going to figurethis all out Like I love that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
His death scene in this movie was very impactful.
It was super powerful,definitely the most powerful
moment throughout the whole film.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That has to be one of the most brutal deaths in comic
book movies that we've seenLike for somebody to experience
like their father, yeah, thedarkest.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
For real.
I agree that shit was rough.
That was like damn Jaime'sgetting kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He lost basically a fight and he's getting kidnapped
and while he's getting draggedaway, his father's having a
heart attack dying right infront of him and he's just
screaming, wishing he could dosomething he can't, and he gets
kidnapped and taken away and hisfather dies, you know, there,
with the family surrounding him.
It was a good scene.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Every actor, like the acting on that scene, was great
, like everybody around thatscene that particular scene did
great, yeah, and especially thecrying through that I was
impressed.
I've the movie had more sceneslike that, like less
lightheartedness and more, muchmore of a serious tone.
I would have liked them muchmore.
Yeah, I think that potentialwould have definitely be reached
(27:02):
if I just had a bit moreserious tone.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, and it's hard to have those serious tones with
actors at that caliber, andthis is something that I feel
like is it's tough, for in mypersonal opinion, there has to
be some fucking like white guy,head honcho, who thinks that
they're doing the right thing.
But you got, you got.
You got a Puerto Rican director, cool.
I'm sure the actors and actressare Mexican, spanish, latino,
(27:29):
hispanic, what have you.
I'm sure they all put it inthere, but just because somebody
units.
Yeah, just because they gotsomebody who knows the Latin
experience, it's not enough.
You know, I'm sure they gotthese actors and actresses to
play the grandma, the mother,the sister, because they can
speak Spanish and they know theauthentic Latino experience.
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And then they've seen thestruggle and that's why they
picked up.
They're like you, you don'teven need to act.
You are the grand, a Mexicangrandmother, you are a Mexican
mother, you are a Mexican father.
But then they don't realizethat these people aren't actors
and you put them in front of acamera.
They still have to act.
You know, you, still you can'tjust act as yourself, casually,
in front of a camera and getaway with it.
Some people can do it, likeKeanu Reeves and Tom Cruise.
(28:13):
They just kind of act likethemselves and it works out and
they're believable.
Not everybody can do that, youknow, and there are Latinos and
Latinos and actors and actresseswho do have the authentic
experience and can act.
You know they exist.
We need to find them.
You can't just pick somebody,because they know the experience
, expect something artistic andsomething with quality to come
(28:35):
out.
It's not going to work, youknow, and they do that.
They'll be like you.
You, yes, you are Spanish youor Latino, or Latina, hispanic,
whatever, you know how to actthis You've experienced it
You're going to do great.
That doesn't always translate.
You still need to know how toact.
They exist.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, these, these type of stories are important,
man, like they're, like it'simportant to to make it good.
You have to do it right, manyou have the people you got to,
you got to make it.
You know you can't, just youcan't be lazy about it, Like
they got the components but theydon't.
They're not putting in the workand I put in the effort you
have the intent.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, like you have it.
I understand you're trying todo the right thing by getting
these actually ethnic people todo you know, who live the life
to do it, but I'm telling youthat they also still need to be
above average.
It's talented, you know, andthey exist.
They exist, I know they exist.
You just have to look a littlebit harder.
I bet you feel like you'redoing the right thing.
(29:29):
Dude, that mother actress, bro,there's no way like that's the
best you can find bro there's.
there's no way, dude Like thatcan't be it, bro.
The scene at the end, whenthey're flying out and she's
shaking the steering wheel,screaming, was I was like oh man
.
Oh man dude, holy shit.
I hope I can find a clip ofthat shit when I watch this it
(29:53):
like, so I can make a video outof it.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
It's great, that's really great,and then you know after it gets
good yeah, after it getskidnapped and, you know, the
father dies, they have the scenewhere the grandma, you know,
gathers the family, the old Rudyand the little sister and the
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mother and now that was agrandma, you know has a speech
is like hey, look like we don'thave time for self pity right
now.
All in Spanish.
We have time for self pityright now.
We can do that later.
Right now we have something todo.
We're going to go rescue Jaimeand do our stuff.
I love that because it's verymuch, it's true, like it's
something we talk about all thetime with Latinos and, and I've
(30:38):
seen a lot of plots where I feellike a lot of the new age stuff
is like, oh, you get hit withthese racist things that happen
to you as a brown or blackperson, as a minority, and a lot
of the new age stuff is themsitting there complaining and
like, whoa is me?
But that's not what our cultureis.
We get that shit.
We're like I bet we're going tohave to break through this, do
(31:01):
better, and when we make it,we'll write a book about it and
talk about how this shit fuckingsucked, but at the time, you're
not going to sit there and belike, oh, this person treated me
poorly, blah, blah, blah.
That's not in our culture, bro.
We don't do that, you know.
We suck it up and then we'lltake care of that shit later.
But, self pity, we have too muchpride for that shit and I love
that she was trying to like saythat, but it's too bad that the
(31:21):
acting was fucking horrible andthat at the end of the day,
there's this 90 year old who, 80year old, who ends up getting a
gaitling gun and shootingpeople and like organizing the
entire game plan to save thisguy from a military fortress.
That's what happens.
She gives a speech, thenGenCord comes.
They get into the bug, which isliterally a blue beetle
(31:43):
spaceship.
Sounds crazy, which I don'tmind.
Whatever, it was an ode to thecomics and as they're on their
way to the prison to save Jaime,nana, who's like an eight year
old, is sitting there planningthe entire thing and it's really
silly and it's just like what'swhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they're like hinting, like yo did you go to
war?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, she's like, oh yeah she fought the imperialists
in her country back in the day.
All right, look, that can allbe true, and I get it.
This is a comic book thing, butwe need to do better than that,
bro.
It was like it wasn't good,right, it wasn't well done.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That was.
Yeah, they were just trying tomake that funny.
It was just like nah, that wasit, sorry guys.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I'm not connected to this.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'm not detained yeah .
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So, in my personal opinion, things that could have
been no better, because it didhave a potential.
Like I said, the father sceneswere great.
Yeah, and he has and he hasanother you know moment with his
son after his death, in themind of Jaime, where he's like
look like, this is your purpose,like, my purpose is to be here
to help you realize and get youto your maximum potential, which
(32:46):
is a very parent thing to say,you know, and I love that.
It was a good scene, but I thinkin the beginning it should have
been like this no dialogue,introduction of, like, the
father and the family crossingthe border, working the four
jobs, doing all this stuff,getting Jaime, because it starts
off.
The movie starts off with Jaimelanding from graduating college
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with a degree in pre-law fromGotham, and that is a big deal
for Latinos, you know there'snot many people who graduate
college, you know, for theirfamilies.
And in how is the audience justsupposed to know that?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, start off, like showingthe day across boys, show the
family doing that and then,while you're showing that and
(33:30):
all these struggles withoutdialogue, you can show care
packs, who was a kid who gottaken by the military, forced to
fight, you know, struggling,growing up, does well, still
loves his family, still has amother and then watches the
mother die.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That would have been a cool intro you know, something
like that would get me involvedin it.
It would have been a betterapproach.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, and it's realistic and it's showing
something without the dialogue.
You know, cuz I get it, likethe directors definitely Spanish
.
We got to see a lot of coolshit.
We saw fucking like donFrancisco, you know, on on the
TV and shit, and they made a lotof joke about old.
You saw El Chacal, the guyplaying the trumpet from Don
(34:12):
Francisco.
We saw like an old Mexicancartoon and they talk about
these old novellas like we getit.
That thing's cool and stuff.
I'm glad you put that in.
But there's more to the Latinexperience than that that shit.
You know, you're just kind oflike pandering and showing me
that you're Spanish.
But I know, I know, I knowthose shows, I grew up with them
.
But what about everybody else?
(34:33):
What about the audience?
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What about?
The story is a story good story.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Is the the plot good?
Yeah, let me, get me that.
I.
I appreciate it.
But I would appreciate it moreif you just put it ever to make
a real Good written film, youknow yeah that would be more
appreciative and now's the waymore.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's true, that's what string about the movie.
You're right, the things thatthe dialogue, that the Latinos
are saying.
You're right, that is ourculture, the not self-pitting,
the pride, how important familyis, how strong the family is,
the struggle, crossing border,working three jobs and things
the family did for that.
That's all true, but justsaying out loud, like White
people, if you're not Latino,you hear it all the time.
You hear it on the news, likeyou have an opportunity here to
(35:22):
show an Audience the experience,to make them feel it, but they
did not deliver it Well, andit's so.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Come on.
Potential was like you said.
The potential was there.
Man, yeah, just there.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You need to, just need to push it, just push, yeah
, and and the relationship withKaji da, who's the alien
symbiote in the body, was notreally ever Enriched either,
like she was just a voice, andthen they try to make her
significant and give herpersonality.
At the end I'm like you can'tjust do that.
You can't.
(35:59):
There has to be a relationshipbetween these two people.
Instead, they wanted thatreally lame scene where he gets
taken by the blue beetle andthen he goes to space, then he
goes down, he's testing all hisweapon, breaks a bus, all this
other shit.
That was like fucking, like sixminutes of this dumb ass shit.
You could have replaced us onthe house.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I Agree, I was like I was, I was played out.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, and even like Kaji da, like you remember
what's that alien anime when thealien takes over this guy's arm
, meegee.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh parasite parasite.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Like you know, like I was thinking, like you could
have made like like there waslike parasite, was like trying
to understand the human Nature,and you know they're just like
googling and just like asking aquestion like why are you guys
do this, why do you guys do that?
And it's so like mechanical,it's like so robotic the way the
alien thinks, because thealiens are always thinking like
this is your percentage to die,we just want to survive, but
slowly.
(36:59):
After asking all thesequestions, the alien realizes
like alright, like this is humannature to care about family and
friends and empathy andrelationships, and kind of
putting Statistics and logicsbehind you for the sake of
feelings, you know, and thatwould have been a cool thing to
have Kaji da do.
Instead, they didn't do any ofthat.
Instead of that fucking scenewhere they're going to space,
(37:21):
all that shit you show in thetrailer, you could have had her
Experiencing the human you knowcomponent of earth and life and
humanity, and that would havebeen cool I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
In the comic she was a.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
They had like a strong relationship right
between Jaime and you know andit's funny that you say that and
I mentioned it to you earlierthe comics which I've read only
because I was really excitedabout a Latin, you know,
superhero, and the whole thingis also not that good.
They miss it, they miss themark with that all the time,
with Kaji da and there I thinkthey're trying to fix it.
(37:57):
The last blue beetle comic cameout was called graduation day,
was a six-part series andbasically the alien force that's
coming Originally from whereKaji doc comes from is is, you
know, on its way and they haveto, like you, kind of dig into
the backstory.
But it's really not good.
Like there's no relationshipwith Kaji da and Jaime and once
(38:17):
again, there's nothing thatmakes Jaime spectacular.
He, he's not like a martialartist, he's not super smart,
he's not like a work.
Ethic is crazy, you know, he'sjust a regular dude from pre-law
yeah like they need to dosomething about that.
In the beginning of the movie,though, you do get to see the
other Beatles in graduation day.
(38:39):
You do get, so you getintroduced to basically like the
yellow beetle, the green beetle.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They also possess people from like around the
world as hosts and and are theysimilar to like Green Lantern,
where they it's like it's veryevil?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Some of them yeah, I think all of them are good
eventually, oh, in the comics.
So they kind of like I thinkmaybe they'll eventually make a
team or something.
But the color scheme, yeah,we're like there's like
different Beatles, but they moreor less have the same power
Obviously.
I remember like the yellowbeals, like a little bit more
brolic.
They kind of have likedifferent weapons systems, but
(39:14):
it was yeah, personalities.
Yeah, yeah, I mean like all,they all have different human
hosts.
So okay.
Yeah, but it was, it was cool.
That seems cool.
A lot of the stuff conceptuallyis cool and visually is really
cool in the comics, but theyjust they're really bad at kind
of just hitting that.
They have no delivery bro.
(39:34):
And there's something I told youabout earlier too, that they do
in the comics that I'm not toosure I agree with is that they
have a lot of Spanish dialoguewithout translation.
It's just like I'm so proud oflike being Latino I really am, I
love it, and at the older I get, the more proud I am so like,
I'm very like passionate aboutlike getting other people
involved in our culture, andthere's more to that Than just,
(39:58):
you know, like saying we're,we're Hispanic.
You know, and you know dancingaround and all this other shit
that we like, like I want peopleto understand and experience.
You know what it's like, youknow it's important and that's
kind of like fun.
And when people do it wrong,I'm just like, come on, guys, do
better.
Don't just wave the flag aroundin front of their face and
expect them to fuckingunderstand.
You know, like, show them astory, right.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, I agree, you know, it's really frustrating.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know.
But you know James Gunn saidthis is, this is the beginning
of the fucking gun universe.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
But he didn't partake in any creation, and so I wish
he did it's off to a stinkystart.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, I wish he was there, man, and it's very
frustrating.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like they, they they had like the depth, they could
have gone way deeper you know,yeah, yeah, they could have they
could have.
Yeah, I can't tell if, like,they just didn't have enough
time or they just decided to cutout all the good parts, or it
just didn't have the budgetwasn't there, I don't know.
I don't know the reason why, ormaybe the ideas didn't come off
(41:06):
right.
I mean, I just I can't find anexplanation on why they didn't
just Like.
I guess that goes for a littlebit more.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, and that goes for all of the DC movies.
Man, there, I don't knowthey're missing something.
Wonder Woman I was so sad andI'm really sad that Gal Gadot is
potentially Wonder Woman.
Yeah, I think she's a horriblecast for Wonder Woman.
I think they have a chance tofucking cast someone who's
actually I think there's such anegative opinion Dylan, like
they think like very like inshape woman or like, you know,
(41:41):
stocky woman, like it's amasculine thing, it's not sexual
Like cast Wonder Woman assomebody who's stocky, like Bill
, you know.
Like let's get rid of that.
Wonder Woman should be, sheshould be, you know, an athlete,
you know fucking like in thecomics, exactly.
Instead, you got this fuckingyeah, this action is fucking
well like 110 soaking wet bro.
(42:03):
Probably you know all she doesis like fucking air squads.
No fans got to get up and be dotrain more.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't fucking know, but all I'm saying is that she
was in the army, though, whichis interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean that was part of her culture.
Everybody in Israel has to goto the army, everybody.
It's mandatory.
I was in the army, it waspretty cool yeah, but you know
what I'm saying.
Like you have a chance to kindof just get like you know, like
break the mold.
You can be cool, you can becool.
How are you butchering all ofthis?
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The 1984, that shit was like baby Jesus.
Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh, I wish that.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I could do this, this , that, and I wish that you were
going to be like that and Iwish that something.
Something, bro, don't go that.
I wish I couldn't believe thatwas the plot, bro.
I get I'm like many waywatching the movie and I'm like
dude, there's no way this islike the real thing.
(43:04):
This is the actual plot of thefilm.
They have to make wishes inorder for shit, to make the,
make the plot continue and makethe story go forward.
They have to rely on wishesNuts it's true.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Let me look up the DC movie.
Is DC upcoming movies?
Let's see what.
If there's anything to lookforward to here.
There's Aquaman, the LostKingdom, yeah.
I don't watch Aquaman I don'tknow.
I don't know what they're goingto do with that, there's the
new Joker movie, unrelated tothe new, you know, james Gunn
(43:39):
versus the musical bro.
Yep, there's Superman Legacycoming out in 2025.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Who's what you know, I forgot his name.
He's been he's in a lot of likea theater and musical Lin
Manuel, miranda, right that'shis name, right yeah.
What if he's in them, themusical.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I won't be too happy about that, Unfortunately.
I think Lin Manuel is awesome.
Hamilton Hamilton is great.
Look, but you can.
You can spot a Lin Manuel songfrom a mile away.
Bro, Kind of has kind of likethe same things bro, but and
he's talented.
But maybe just go to do yourshit with Disney.
It works for Disney, but don't,don't raise your.
(44:19):
The Joker.
Joker's gonna do great, though.
Still directed by Todd Phillipsexecutive.
Produced by James.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Gunn.
I'm really looking forward tothat.
Yeah, james Gunn is going toevolve?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I think they might.
Yeah, I think they might try tomake it into the universe
honestly Joker, but we'll see.
Yeah, I do Damn.
Superman Legacy 2025, theBatman Part II 2025.
That seems to be the onlythings in line right now for
James Gunn's new universe.
It seems also very very faraway.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Part two Batman Part.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
II.
I'm not too sure.
I think that it's aconversation that's happening
right now, but it has beenconfirmed.
I really hope not, well, youdon't know what the new universe
is going to be.
Yeah, but you're right, it istoo cool.
Batman is too good to be mixedin with the new Beatles, the new
vlog and the atmosphere andvillains are just like.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
We have our own universe.
We're okay by ourselves.
We don't need a James Gunn.
No offense, james Gunn is great, but I rather.
You know I'm very a pridefulBatman fan.
We should just be on our ownisland, our own bubble.
What are you going to say,superman?
What?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah Well, james Gunn announced that his projects are
going to be released in likechapters, similar to like Marvel
Cinematic Universe.
The first chapter he's callingChapter One, gods and Monsters,
and it's officially going tokick off Superman Legacy in 2025
, which he is directing andwriting.
So that's really going to bethe first one really of James
Gunn's universe.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
So this is the end count.
No, no, no, no, no, no at leastfrom what I know it's part of
the Snyder, because it did comeout the one that Snyder moves,
the first one.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes, it's not mixed in with anything, so I'm not
sure if it was.
You know they tried to put inSuperman at the end of the first
one because Shazam, superman,we're supposed to be like a
thing.
But yeah, that turned out.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
But yeah, that's all, blue beetle.
Did we recommend it?
No, but do you want to see itanyways?
Sure, it's up to you.
Want to see how bad it is?
Fine, it's up to you.
Well, be warned you.
Yeah, there was only a few goodmoments.
I say it's decent because thosefew moments I liked, so that's
why I'm giving it just a decent54.
(46:35):
You know, there's not much tosay, still kind of dooky.
But what do you expect fromsuperhero movies these days?
That's what you're going to get.
I'm just done with thelightheartedness man.
I just want more serious tonemovies, I agree.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's kind of what makes DC different from Marvel,
honestly.
So they should definitelycapitalize on that, and they can
, but they're going to have to,in a weird way, like really
ground a lot of their superherostuff a little bit more, which
is why I don't really likeSuperman.
He's too OP, but you can groundhim, there is a way, because
the dark knight or the newBatman's very heavily grounded,
(47:15):
like motherfucker Ron Pattersonwas getting his ass whooped,
often by fucking minions.
It was real, you know, and theyneed to do that with these
movies.
They need to like give thesepeople powers but also make them
seem like they could be beaten.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh, this is one thing I forgot to mention too.
Things you reminded me, theweapons and blue beetle, that
shit was pretty repetitive untilthe end with the big ass the
blasters Every time you got acool ass weapon.
No, no, I don't want to kill,don't do that.
Back to blasters.
This is true, it's very trueSounding blasters.
(47:49):
I was just like bro yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I mean she said she could imagine anything.
It could have been worse, broand I in Green Lancer, and that
they could.
He also imagine anything and heimagined like a NASCAR going
down the fucking NASCAR tracks.
It was not good.
So other DC movies that JamesGunn has has lined up is other
than Superman Legacy is theBrave and the Bolt, and
(48:11):
Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow andSwamp Thing.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Supergirl.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, sir.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Let's go, we're in the same.
Supergirl from Flash, right?
I'm not sure, Like what do youmean?
I mean you should, yeah, thesame Supergirl from Flash.
He's going to make a movie outthere, right.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Oh, that Supergirl from Flash.
I'm not sure if it's going tobe the same Supergirl.
She has said she hasn't heardany word.
That was once again.
That was kind of part of theold Snyderverse.
I don't know if she's going tobe used in the new Supergirl.
Oh yeah, yeah, so we'll see.
But anyway, I think that's thatman.
You got anything else.
You got anything else for thepeople?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Nah, man, it's 54.
It's okay for me.
I mean, you still think it'sdookie.
That's okay with two.
I agree that with the poorwriting and the plot development
character it could have beenbetter.
But you know, if he says ass Iwon't correct you.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
But I'm glad we supported it still, it had
potential.
Yeah, we can do this, guys, wecan do this.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
We just work a little bit harder, it's all we need.
Use some chat.
Gbt, the Marvel chat.
Yo, we're at Aschat, gbt bro.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Honestly, they'll tell you.
Even the AI will fucking tellyou.
So they got me.
Yeah, all right, guys.
Well, thanks for coming.
We'll probably record very soon.
We have Cinema Day this Sunday,so we're definitely going to
check something out.
So, peace, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
(49:43):
bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye.
Dude, how was your cinema night?
How did you go to the movies?
How was it, dude?
Did you really like going tothe movies tonight?
Yeah, yeah, how about you, bro?
Don't worry about me, man, Ijust really want to ask about
you.
How did you?
How did you the movie you saw?
You like the movie you saw?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I don't know, I didn't like it, but it wasn't
that bad.
It wasn't that bad.
Hey everybody.
Today is August 23rd on 2023,me and Slick and our friend Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Newman 2023.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh yeah, right, Just came back from watching Blue
Beetle, which came out lastThursday, and speaking of cinema
night, actually this weekend,slick we were talking about it.
Sunday, which is the 27th, isactually cinema day and the
movies are going to be $4 thatday, supposedly.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So I want to go on a I want to restart my my
barbenheimer that weekend.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
If you watch barbenheimer that Sunday, that
is crazy, bro, that's a.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yo, that is crazy, that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I enjoyed it.
It was a great.
Yeah, it was a great day forcinema, but man it was.
I was still in the theaters fora very fucking long time and
yeah that's like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
well, combining three hours plus two hours is five
hours.
That's five hours in theater.
Yeah, Five hours of sitting.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and I've been thinking about it since.
I wonder if it impacted thequality of the second movie I
watched.
So the second movie I watchedwas Barbie, and which I liked
and it was a good movie, but Iwonder if I would have enjoyed
it more if I saw it, if I saw iton its own, you know, when I
wasn't in the fucking theatersfor like five hours already,
(01:36):
because Oppenheimer is threehours.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm surprised you guys made it for two days that
day.
I mean for two movies that day,because after one movie I got
to like digest it and then gohome, slid it, digest and then
get ready for the next one thenext day.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I agree.
I agree, but this is a hugeoccasion it was.
It was honestly like it wascool to see people in theaters
like and every lot of people didit, and it was nice to see that
many people there and that manypeople excited about a movie in
the theaters.
It was a great day and I wasglad I got to partake in it.
So, um, but anyways, todaywe're going to talk about Blue
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Beetle.
It's funny because we didn'tknow that we were going to
record this episode on thistoday and we didn't know that
we're going to do it on this.
But last episode we ended uptalking a lot about DC and the
Snyderverse and here we are.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So it's a good follow up.
We segue to another episode.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, and you know Blue Beetle, directed by Angel
Manuel Soto, who's a PuertoRican director.
Shout out, yay, Yay, it's allthe Puerto Rican's out there.
It's not his debut film, but Ithink it's.
It's definitely his biggestfilm thus far.
Ron Simeo's score of 77 and theaudience score of 91.
What, what'd you think of BlueBeetle's like?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The rating.
Want to get my rating.
What would you think?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What's your rating on it right now?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'll give it.
I like there was a few momentsthat like I think the most
process is decent, like it's notgood but it's not bad either.
What it's like.
I'll give it like uh, what is,what is 50s?
50s are like okay, range, right, nah?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
it's funny, it's 50s.
Okay, now it's still.
It's still rotten.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So it's 50s rotten basically right, 50s, 100%
around.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's 50s failing.
You know, if you got a 50 in anexam, that's not.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You are not passing that, but I know 60s is still,
they're still good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean tomato.
Some people say a D is passing,some people don't you know 60s,
I think is?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it's not 60s, it's 5.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think average personally is 7.
70 is average and I know that'sfucking weird for people to say
, well, I is in 5 average.
Um, because we're not rating.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Because I've seen tomatoes with 50s and it's still
like plump.
It's still red 50s.
Nah, no way yeah yeah, justsome, unless they change the
algorithm.
Back in my day, back in myround tomatoes days, 50s was
just okay.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
When at least 60% of reviews for the movie are
positive or red tomatoesdisplayed.
Less than 60 is not positive.
It'll be a splat.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's interesting, all right?
Well, okay, I'll give it like a54.
A 54.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I am honestly surprised that it's it's doing
as well as it is on roundtomatoes.
Somebody had to pay these mofasout.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I wonder who the reviewers are.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's definitely not that bad.
I don't think it's that bad so.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's better than the, than the, the like in earlier
DC movies.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's, that's for sure.
I agree.
Um, if I had to rate the movie,I would give it also a 50.
I would also give it a 50.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But it, you know, it has potential.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It has potential, just a 50.
It has potential, you know what?
All right, maybe like ahonestly 58.
You're right, I'd give it a 58because I think it has
potentials and it and it, thethings that it gets right uh, it
really does get right and Iappreciate it.
Um, but compared to all theMarvel movies, is it better than
like, let's go through it,let's go to start with like
Marvel movies?
(05:14):
Is it better than Iron man, theIncredible Hulk, Iron man 2,
thor, captain America, theAvengers, hell, no.
Is it better than Iron man 3?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I think so Wait, is it?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
better than Avengers.
I'm saying no, it's not betterthan Avengers.
It's not better than any of themovies I said already.
Is it better than Iron man 3?
Yes.
Is it better than Thor, theDark World?
Yes, absolutely.
Um, is it better than Ant-Man?
Personally, I'm not a bigAnt-Man guy.
I thought those movies werekind of really lame.
Childish, yeah, childish, and,like you know, paul Rudd's great
(05:49):
.
You know some of the parts werefunny, but I'm not.
I didn't think they were thatgood.
And Blue Beetle definitely,conceptually, is way cooler than
Ant-Man.
So let's see Thor Ragnarok.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
What did you say is better than the new Ant-Man that
came out early this year?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, the Quantum.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Mania yes.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It is better than Quantum Mania.
The only thing that QuantumMania has that this movie
doesn't have, and this movie hasa pretty good villain in Care
Packs.
Yeah, In Care Packs they had afucking.
They had Kang the Conqueror,who was played by none other
than Jonathan Majors.
So that's what Ant-Man QuantumMania has, Jonathan Majors.
(06:28):
Jonathan Majors brah like ass.
But you know, like I just nameda couple of movies, this is
definitely better than.
It's better than Ant-Man andthe Wasp, I think.
And as far as DC goes, it's.
It's better than Aquaman.
That's to percentage.
Sure it's better than Aquaman.
It's better than Joe Hex.
It's way better than GreenLantern.
It's better than the originalSuicide Squad.
It's, in my personal opinion,it's better than.
(06:52):
It's better than Justice League.
To me, I think it's better thanShazam.
Oh, I like just, it's betterthan Wonder Woman 1984.
My personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's like so look, it's not good, it's not a good
movie, but it's.
It's a step in the rightdirection, I think, and it and
it had a lot of potential.
So, right off the bat, forthose who don't know one, I've
been reading comics for a longtime and I'm definitely, when it
comes to reading comics, aBigger DC fan than I am a Marvel
fan.
So I have to go out and watchthese, these movies, especially
(07:34):
when the superheroes Latin based, hispanic based, especially
when the directors Puerto Rican.
So I was pretty excited aboutthis blue beetle.
There are different renditions.
I've read the comics when Tedcord was blue beetle or when
Jaime Ramiz was blue beetle.
They're two differentcharacters.
The story for Jaime is thatthere's an alien scarab from an
(07:57):
alien planet that comes andthey're known as, like a world
destroyer, and it chooses a hostand it chooses Jaime Reyes and
he gives them superpowers, itgives them a sue and, like, he
can make any weapons he wants,he can fly, he has regeneration,
it it Impews itself in his DNAand they become like the
symbiotic, very much kind oflike venom, honestly, very much
(08:20):
like venom.
Except the original blue beetlewas Ted cord, who actually
didn't have the scarab, choosehim.
He used the scarab to kind ofpower and influence a lot of his
weapons.
But he was a genius.
He had like an IQ of like 192and he was, according to the
comics, smarter than Batman.
He was skilled in martial art.
(08:41):
He had like Olympic athleticism.
So I mean the dude, I was asuperhero in his own right.
You know he went out there, hemade a suit and you know he
fought crime.
He was very silly and all hisstuff was very, very like his
gadgets Always had like beetlelogos on them or like beetle
inspired ship was called the bug.
(09:02):
But the new one, the new 52blue beetle.
And Jaime Reyes is different.
He's a young guy.
In the movie he's graduatingcollege.
From when I read in In thecomics he was graduating high
school, so they aged them alittle bit more for the movies.
And he's Mexican American,coming from Mexican family in
Paloma city, which is anothermade-up city that DC made.
(09:24):
All right.
So let's start here, since Igive you kind of the wait, ted
court is a.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
When was he originated?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
when Ted court is in the comics.
I want to say, like 1950s iswhen he came out of comics, wow.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't even know.
Blue beetle was one way back asnuts.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
He was in the Justice League.
The first appearance was inCaptain Adam 83 in 1966.
Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, that's way back .
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know he was yeah, he
ends up being the Justice Leagueand then being a big part of
Justice League International andCourt industries are pretty
important.
In the comics they rival star,which is more popular.
It's in the spider-man comicsand was in the video games, but
same same concept, more or lesscourt industries.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Is.
He is court, is court family.
They're Brazilian right nothey're white.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They're white Right in the movies.
Ted court Marys, brazilian, hasa daughter, jenner and Jenny
cord.
Yeah, that's why she wasBrazilian.
Yeah, but let's start off withthis movie, since you have the
concept down of his superpowers,his origin and, and, I guess,
(10:40):
the family and you know why.
It was kind of different in thenew 52 or when.
The new 52 is like when theyrebooted all the comics for
those of you that don't know, inDC.
I mean, it was cool whathappened when me and slickery
younger and we're all about it,it was huge, I think.
Dc is doing way better thanMarvel.
Back then, the new 52 Everybodywas getting and they had great
(11:03):
writers and Scott Snyder forBatman.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, that's a stack green Lancer.
We're buying everything.
We came in at a right time.
Yeah, we came in at a righttime.
We came in like when they juststarted.
I think, right, yeah, um,that's just that was beast, that
was a beast arrow.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It really was.
And then and then, after Marvelreally hit it off with the
movies DC.
I wasn't being able to keep upsince and we talked about this
before and I'll talk about thisearlier.
It's just like the Marvelmovies they are winning because
they're not hooking just thecomic book fans, they're hooking
regular people by making goodmovies, you know.
But DC, only people who arecomic book fans are going to
(11:42):
watch blue beetle.
I don't even know if peopleknow blue beetles out right now.
Honestly and I have I have noright To try and get one of
those guys to watch it becausethat movie wasn't good
objectively.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I would recommend that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's hard for me to recommend that but it it did
have its moments and I'm excitedto talk about it.
I really am, because the thingsthat it got right.
It kind of gives me hopeful forthe future and, as much as I'm
Trashing it, I'm telling you Ithink that it's worth it and if
you're a DC head or I thinkyou're gonna find a lot of
things I think it's a latino orlatina I think you're gonna find
a lot of the qualities in thismovie that you're like.
(12:17):
Yeah, you know they hit thatthat nail on the head and that
was good.
I wish they did some thingsbetter, but you know they're on
the right track.
So, uh, what are the thingsthat you you didn't like about
the movie?
What I didn't like.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, well, right off the bat, I don't like.
I didn't like the inconsistencybetween, like, the moral
dilemma between the family andthe main character of the not
killing.
No, first of all, this is goingto be spoiler.
Yeah, I don't know if we didabsolutely free warning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't think I have no warning.
I'm about to spoil it.
Right now.
I don't think anybody'swatching this movie, so we might
as well let them know what themovie is about.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Um, what, what else do you need?
There's gonna be.
Yeah, so there was a moredilemma of, like the main
character not wanting to killbut like the family, towards the
end of the movie, when they'retrying to rescue this guy, the
main character.
They basically was held captiveby like Court and corporation,
whatever the fuck they're called.
They were like an evilcorporation and they were like
(13:15):
they had the guns and everythingand they had like the Uh, a
scapegoat machine that they wereinside and they were gonna
rescue hymen and they would juststart killing people.
There was the grandmother had agaling gun.
She started killing people,fuckin uh.
There was a character named uh,what was his name?
George Lopez, was it ray?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
rudy was no.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Rudy.
Rudy had was controlling thescare of and he was stabbing
people.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I didn't mind that.
I like that they're killingpeople, but I fucking I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I didn't.
I didn't like that.
The main character didn't wantto kill.
Like if you're gonna make themkill and he's seeing it and he's
like chairing them on, theymight, as he might as well, just
kill it too.
It was just a majorinconsistency.
There's no, I just didn't likethat, that direction of writing,
and even he was supporting them.
You know Like it just doesn'tmake sense, it's true.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, that goes back to the biggest problem with
hymen, who's played by ZoloMaria, who got big from the
Cobra Kai Netflix show, whichwas originally a youtube show.
He got big from that and theyused him and honestly I never
really thought he was that badof an actor.
I think he's a great crier, butin this movie he was not that
good.
One of my biggest stripes ofthe movie was that acting was
(14:26):
not good.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But same thing like Acting trash, but to your point,
for his 10 minutes I'm like ohyeah, I saw some.
I saw some seeds.
Yeah, I was not, I was cringing, I was making acting is it's so
important for these movies?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
because, look, it's already You're talking about
comic book shit and very muchlike anime comic book shit is
gonna happen.
You know that just isn'tBelievable or it's not good, but
you know it's like the typicaltropes.
So you need to have good actorsto really ground the audience.
That needs to be very like apriority.
But but as you're saying, like,yeah, jaime was his, his, I
(15:05):
guess, most prominent qualitywas they didn't want to kill
people, but his family didn'tmind and that's okay.
But that's the only thing thatthey gave us for Jaime.
Very much like Venom.
I don't like the Venoms.
I think they're trash, becausethe whole time it really feels
like Tom Hardy is not even thecharacter he doesn't want to
fight.
Every time they're fighting itreally feels like Venoms
completely taking control.
(15:26):
So when they're getting his asbe, he's always just like Venom,
come help me out, or likenothing feels like Tom Hardy
plays a role in it.
You know he's just a host.
And they do the same thing forJaime, where it's like yeah,
like like Jaime doesn't doanything, he can't fight,
there's nothing, you don't knowif he can fight.
He's not athletic at all.
They don't ever show that he'sathletic and then he's whooping
(15:49):
people's ass and he's asking forhelp from Kazida the whole time
.
You're just like this guy isliterally just the suit.
He's just a host.
His only quality in the wholemovie.
The only time you get to seehim be a hero is when he decides
not to kill somebody and thenhis family ends up killing
people.
So yeah, I guess you're right.
The other very.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This seems where he's like ruining his grandma.
Keep go, grandma.
And he's like shredding people.
It's like bro.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, it's true, his whole thing is like don't kill
anybody that his grandma fuckingGatling gun?
Machine guns like fucking 10motherfuckers yeah just cheering
them on.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You know, the writing was bad.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The writing wasn't good enough and it's kind of
like Tom said, and especiallylike there's a lot of like.
Obviously, jaime is talking tothe symbiote that controls body,
kaji dial, which is the name,and there's a lot of dialogue
where he's like what is that?
What's going on.
What is it?
What are they doing when we cansee what they're doing?
It's like dumb questions likewhat is that?
It's a guy running at youfull-fledged with a body of
(16:54):
armor like don't, we can seewhat's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You know that's not it's not good when he gets
stabbed and he's like, oh my god, what'd you do to me?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, he's like oh, what is that dog?
You got stabbed, bro, what'swhat's up?
And and he and I know he's nota bad actor and it's really
tough to Distinguish if it's badacting or bad script, because
George Lopez, we know, isn't abad actor and there were moments
in there that were cringe.
Suzanne serendon is not a badactress.
(17:27):
Oh, she was in like rock orshow and stuff and and she
wasn't very believable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Her character was the worst.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, bruno Maudencine, which was the like
of another.
She was a pretty big character.
She's plays Jen cord, who's thedaughter of Ted cord, and she's
actually making her firstappearance in the movie.
She does not exist in the comicbooks, neither does uncle Rudy.
Um, she wasn't that bad, butwhen she had scenes with
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Victoria cord, susan serendon,they were not good.
None of it was believable.
They could have done a lot.
The grandma Nana, who's playedby Adriana bizara, and the
mother, who's played by El Pidia carillo.
They were not good actors.
They were not good actresses.
They were so bad.
It hurt me really bad.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Who's the main antagonist name?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Victoria cord.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, okay, victoria, yeah, she was that, I'm talking
about her.
She was the worst character.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I was not convinced, yeah she's funny because she's a
good actress, but she was veryevil.
But they didn't give heranything other than the fact
that she was evil.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And if you're gonna do that, that's fine, but then
evil.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, but then you need to put more emphasis on the
other villain, carapax, who'splayed by railroad through G,
who I thought was a good actorand a really cool character, who
they also changed his wholelike origin story, because
Originally he's an architect whogoes to investigate an island
when he finds a secret lab byJarvis cord, who's the
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grandfather of Ted and Victoriacord, and he finds a robot and
when he touches it he becomeslike electrocuted, loses control
of his body and like his souland mind gets stuck in this
Indestructible robot.
Then he goes on killingmotherfuckers and you know he
shows up in a couple comics buthe, I think, is Blue Beetle's
main rival.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This guy, that actress.
Yeah, hurt me seeing her actlike that.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, it wasn't good, it's, it's really cool.
So, like I said, the old bluebeetle he was Ted court,
theodore cord and his sister'sVictoria cord, and she's kind of
the smarter one in the recentcomics.
She wasn't as evil as she wasin this movie.
In the comics she did someweird stuff but she wasn't like
that.
But um, she you know, ted cordsmissing in this movie and she's
(19:47):
in charge and she wants to,like you know, take the company
in a different direction.
When their father died andpassed on, who was gonna keep
the company gave it to Ted cordand Victoria.
She was really salty about that.
So when, when Ted went missingand she took over, she just
wants to like, build technologyand like, change the diversion,
do whatever the fuck she wants,make an army.
So that's her whole thing, youknow, which is okay, that's fine
(20:11):
.
I didn't think she was all thatbad, but I'll take it.
The let's see other things,other things you don't like here
.
We talked about this verybriefly and Tom mentioned it and
it's something I never reallythought about before is true, dc
needs to stop with thesemade-up towns and cities.
Like I said, there's alreadylike this imaginary concept.
It's really hard to ground theaudience and making Paloma City
(20:34):
instead of Miami or you knowsomewhere in Texas.
It's not a good idea, it's.
It's just weird and the waythat Victoria played out.
Yeah, and the way, the only,like we said, the only thing I
didn't get away with this Gotham.
Gotham's the only one you canget away with, but other than
that, use real cities, bro.
Nobody, nobody knows, nobodycan name where flashes from.
It doesn't make anybody kind ofproud and you need people to
(20:56):
feel connected to thesecharacters.
Another thing yo, in this movie, victoria cords like straight
up set like a fucking army withhelicopters and guns to this
random town In the family and,no, there's no police to be
found.
Nobody cares, like these guysare fucking Government though.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
right the court?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, of course you know, and if they are, you need
to make some correlation here.
Man, you need to connect us tosome type of cuz.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I remember in the beginning of the movie she had a
helicopter and she was like sheflowed down to the base and a
little yeah is she part of thearmy?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
There's no, nothing made sense.
They need to connect us toreality.
I understand as a comic book,and I know that sounds really
weird, but Marvel does it, bro,they do it.
There was those other than theacting and the script.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And lines.
You mentioned it before.
There was too much, too muchreliance on dialogue, like there
was not enough visualstorytelling and too much
reliance on dialogue.
It's true, and I'm justpointing out the obvious.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, you're right.
And Raul through you, who playsthe villain, care packs?
He is a half body, half robot.
You know, half body war veteranlieutenant who had, you know,
was taken by you know some SouthAmerican or Central American.
I don't know if he's Mexican ornot.
I think he's Mexican.
(22:17):
He was made as like, captured bythe military, made to fight a
war, and then he watches hismother die Through an A-POM
strike.
And then he looks at themissile and it's named after
court industries.
You know, they're kind of likethe stark industries of these
things, like they were makingweapons, and for some strange
reason he's working with thecourts now.
It doesn't make sense, bro.
And then he's carrying aroundthis little like necklace with a
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with a gold heart and insidethere's a picture of his mother
and him, and the whole time he'ssaying shit like your love for
your family makes you weak.
When he's fighting, hate highme.
That doesn't make sense.
And then at the end he sayssome shit like oh, my memories
are back to the Victoria cordbefore he kills her and you're
just like your memories are gone, like you're telling me this
right now.
It's like ten movies to themovie ends like this is fucking
(23:01):
crazy.
This is not.
This is horrible writing.
What are you doing?
What's going on here?
It wasn't good.
Oh, I was like yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I was super lackluster.
The ending I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah and man, it was not.
It was not a funny movie.
It hurt every time they made ajoke that they thought was gonna
be funny and it wasn't it was.
How are you missing that, bro?
Who's the funny person that'stelling them that these jokes
are funny because it's not good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's really was pretty funny.
I think I was probably Rudy athis moments most funny in that
way.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, george Lopez.
George Lopez had his moments,sure, sure, but you know, very
but he had a lot of moments thatweren't funny either, and it
wasn't, it wasn't his fault mostof most of the scenes were
cringe.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, this is.
This is a problem withsuperhero movies.
They make a lot of it's toolight-hearted, yeah it can be
both DC and Marvel.
Like it's, like it gets way toolight.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
At least Marvel's funny.
At least Marvel's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Not for me.
I'm kind of it's played out forme at this point Now.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Guards the galaxy three made me laugh a lot.
Made me laugh a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's a, that's a banger.
It's on Disney right now.
That's just.
It's a good movie.
So yeah there's.
So there's things we did wrong.
We talked about the plot alittle bit.
It was weird, not very goodaligned, the acting was bad, the
script was bad, but it had hadpotential.
And once again, I'm gonna saythis again Jaime had no nothing
to him as a character.
And then they did the samething with the comics.
(24:34):
This guy isn't an athlete, he'snot martial arts, it's not
super smart, he's not a supergood person and I'm sure he is,
but they don't ever show me.
You know, his family wasamazing.
His family was.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, that's it, and he did one thing I liked about
the movies that they definitelyadded like the family was More
attached to the plot, which Ididn't expect, and I thought
that was something I you don'treally see in superhero movies.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know, Mostly like the family would be introduced
and then they would like forgetabout it and move on, but they
were a big part of this film andthat's what makes this
superhero so exciting for me is,like that's true, like I'm glad
that he does not try to hidehis identity from his family.
You know, that's something thatI think it's an overplay trope
and I like that.
I love how important family is.
(25:20):
That's ethnic, you know, usLatinos, latinos, you know.
Like that is family, likefamily is everything for us, you
know, and I love that they putthat in.
But the way they put it in wasjust a little bit too cheesy.
I mean, it wasn't well done.
The things I did, like all thescenes with the father played by
Damian Al-Qassad were amazing.
They were like legit, like theybrought a lot of much for me.
(25:40):
Like if that movie continued atthat capacity, it could have
made me cry.
But the scenes with the fatherexplaining how important the
family is, you know, not reallyknowing what his destiny is, and
just like you know, losing thehouse, having a heart attack,
and just like working andworking and like hey, don't
worry, we're going to figurethis all out Like I love that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
His death scene in this movie was very impactful.
It was super powerful,definitely the most powerful
moment throughout the whole film.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That has to be one of the most brutal deaths in comic
book movies that we've seenLike for somebody to experience
like their father, yeah, thedarkest.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
For real.
I agree that shit was rough.
That was like damn Jaime'sgetting kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He lost basically a fight and he's getting kidnapped
and while he's getting draggedaway, his father's having a
heart attack dying right infront of him and he's just
screaming, wishing he could dosomething he can't, and he gets
kidnapped and taken away and hisfather dies, you know, there,
with the family surrounding him.
It was a good scene.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Every actor, like the acting on that scene, was great
, like everybody around thatscene that particular scene did
great, yeah, and especially thecrying through that I was
impressed.
I've the movie had more sceneslike that, like less
lightheartedness and more, muchmore of a serious tone.
I would have liked them muchmore.
Yeah, I think that potentialwould have definitely be reached
(27:02):
if I just had a bit moreserious tone.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, and it's hard to have those serious tones with
actors at that caliber, andthis is something that I feel
like is it's tough, for in mypersonal opinion, there has to
be some fucking like white guy,head honcho, who thinks that
they're doing the right thing.
But you got, you got.
You got a Puerto Rican director, cool.
I'm sure the actors and actressare Mexican, spanish, latino,
(27:29):
hispanic, what have you.
I'm sure they all put it inthere, but just because somebody
units.
Yeah, just because they gotsomebody who knows the Latin
experience, it's not enough.
You know, I'm sure they gotthese actors and actresses to
play the grandma, the mother,the sister, because they can
speak Spanish and they know theauthentic Latino experience.
(27:50):
And then they've seen thestruggle and that's why they
picked up.
They're like you, you don'teven need to act.
You are the grand, a Mexicangrandmother, you are a Mexican
mother, you are a Mexican father.
But then they don't realizethat these people aren't actors
and you put them in front of acamera.
They still have to act.
You know, you, still you can'tjust act as yourself, casually,
in front of a camera and getaway with it.
Some people can do it, likeKeanu Reeves and Tom Cruise.
(28:13):
They just kind of act likethemselves and it works out and
they're believable.
Not everybody can do that, youknow, and there are Latinos and
Latinos and actors and actresseswho do have the authentic
experience and can act.
You know they exist.
We need to find them.
You can't just pick somebody,because they know the experience
, expect something artistic andsomething with quality to come
(28:35):
out.
It's not going to work, youknow, and they do that.
They'll be like you.
You, yes, you are Spanish youor Latino, or Latina, hispanic,
whatever, you know how to actthis You've experienced it
You're going to do great.
That doesn't always translate.
You still need to know how toact.
They exist.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, these, these type of stories are important,
man, like they're, like it'simportant to to make it good.
You have to do it right, manyou have the people you got to,
you got to make it.
You know you can't, just youcan't be lazy about it, Like
they got the components but theydon't.
They're not putting in the workand I put in the effort you
have the intent.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, like you have it.
I understand you're trying todo the right thing by getting
these actually ethnic people todo you know, who live the life
to do it, but I'm telling youthat they also still need to be
above average.
It's talented, you know, andthey exist.
They exist, I know they exist.
You just have to look a littlebit harder.
I bet you feel like you'redoing the right thing.
(29:29):
Dude, that mother actress, bro,there's no way like that's the
best you can find bro there's.
there's no way, dude Like thatcan't be it, bro.
The scene at the end, whenthey're flying out and she's
shaking the steering wheel,screaming, was I was like oh man
.
Oh man dude, holy shit.
I hope I can find a clip ofthat shit when I watch this it
(29:53):
like, so I can make a video outof it.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
It's great, that's really great,and then you know after it gets
good yeah, after it getskidnapped and, you know, the
father dies, they have the scenewhere the grandma, you know,
gathers the family, the old Rudyand the little sister and the
(30:17):
mother and now that was agrandma, you know has a speech
is like hey, look like we don'thave time for self pity right
now.
All in Spanish.
We have time for self pityright now.
We can do that later.
Right now we have something todo.
We're going to go rescue Jaimeand do our stuff.
I love that because it's verymuch, it's true, like it's
something we talk about all thetime with Latinos and, and I've
(30:38):
seen a lot of plots where I feellike a lot of the new age stuff
is like, oh, you get hit withthese racist things that happen
to you as a brown or blackperson, as a minority, and a lot
of the new age stuff is themsitting there complaining and
like, whoa is me?
But that's not what our cultureis.
We get that shit.
We're like I bet we're going tohave to break through this, do
(31:01):
better, and when we make it,we'll write a book about it and
talk about how this shit fuckingsucked, but at the time, you're
not going to sit there and belike, oh, this person treated me
poorly, blah, blah, blah.
That's not in our culture, bro.
We don't do that, you know.
We suck it up and then we'lltake care of that shit later.
But, self pity, we have too muchpride for that shit and I love
that she was trying to like saythat, but it's too bad that the
(31:21):
acting was fucking horrible andthat at the end of the day,
there's this 90 year old who, 80year old, who ends up getting a
gaitling gun and shootingpeople and like organizing the
entire game plan to save thisguy from a military fortress.
That's what happens.
She gives a speech, thenGenCord comes.
They get into the bug, which isliterally a blue beetle
(31:43):
spaceship.
Sounds crazy, which I don'tmind.
Whatever, it was an ode to thecomics and as they're on their
way to the prison to save Jaime,nana, who's like an eight year
old, is sitting there planningthe entire thing and it's really
silly and it's just like what'swhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they're like hinting, like yo did you go to
war?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, she's like, oh yeah she fought the imperialists
in her country back in the day.
All right, look, that can allbe true, and I get it.
This is a comic book thing, butwe need to do better than that,
bro.
It was like it wasn't good,right, it wasn't well done.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That was.
Yeah, they were just trying tomake that funny.
It was just like nah, that wasit, sorry guys.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I'm not connected to this.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'm not detained yeah .
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So, in my personal opinion, things that could have
been no better, because it didhave a potential.
Like I said, the father sceneswere great.
Yeah, and he has and he hasanother you know moment with his
son after his death, in themind of Jaime, where he's like
look like, this is your purpose,like, my purpose is to be here
to help you realize and get youto your maximum potential, which
(32:46):
is a very parent thing to say,you know, and I love that.
It was a good scene, but I thinkin the beginning it should have
been like this no dialogue,introduction of, like, the
father and the family crossingthe border, working the four
jobs, doing all this stuff,getting Jaime, because it starts
off.
The movie starts off with Jaimelanding from graduating college
(33:09):
with a degree in pre-law fromGotham, and that is a big deal
for Latinos, you know there'snot many people who graduate
college, you know, for theirfamilies.
And in how is the audience justsupposed to know that?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, start off, like showingthe day across boys, show the
family doing that and then,while you're showing that and
(33:30):
all these struggles withoutdialogue, you can show care
packs, who was a kid who gottaken by the military, forced to
fight, you know, struggling,growing up, does well, still
loves his family, still has amother and then watches the
mother die.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That would have been a cool intro you know, something
like that would get me involvedin it.
It would have been a betterapproach.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, and it's realistic and it's showing
something without the dialogue.
You know, cuz I get it, likethe directors definitely Spanish
.
We got to see a lot of coolshit.
We saw fucking like donFrancisco, you know, on on the
TV and shit, and they made a lotof joke about old.
You saw El Chacal, the guyplaying the trumpet from Don
(34:12):
Francisco.
We saw like an old Mexicancartoon and they talk about
these old novellas like we getit.
That thing's cool and stuff.
I'm glad you put that in.
But there's more to the Latinexperience than that that shit.
You know, you're just kind oflike pandering and showing me
that you're Spanish.
But I know, I know, I knowthose shows, I grew up with them
.
But what about everybody else?
(34:33):
What about the audience?
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What about?
The story is a story good story.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Is the the plot good?
Yeah, let me, get me that.
I.
I appreciate it.
But I would appreciate it moreif you just put it ever to make
a real Good written film, youknow yeah that would be more
appreciative and now's the waymore.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's true, that's what string about the movie.
You're right, the things thatthe dialogue, that the Latinos
are saying.
You're right, that is ourculture, the not self-pitting,
the pride, how important familyis, how strong the family is,
the struggle, crossing border,working three jobs and things
the family did for that.
That's all true, but justsaying out loud, like White
people, if you're not Latino,you hear it all the time.
You hear it on the news, likeyou have an opportunity here to
(35:22):
show an Audience the experience,to make them feel it, but they
did not deliver it Well, andit's so.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Come on.
Potential was like you said.
The potential was there.
Man, yeah, just there.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You need to, just need to push it, just push, yeah
, and and the relationship withKaji da, who's the alien
symbiote in the body, was notreally ever Enriched either,
like she was just a voice, andthen they try to make her
significant and give herpersonality.
At the end I'm like you can'tjust do that.
You can't.
(35:59):
There has to be a relationshipbetween these two people.
Instead, they wanted thatreally lame scene where he gets
taken by the blue beetle andthen he goes to space, then he
goes down, he's testing all hisweapon, breaks a bus, all this
other shit.
That was like fucking, like sixminutes of this dumb ass shit.
You could have replaced us onthe house.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I Agree, I was like I was, I was played out.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, and even like Kaji da, like you remember
what's that alien anime when thealien takes over this guy's arm
, meegee.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh parasite parasite.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Like you know, like I was thinking, like you could
have made like like there waslike parasite, was like trying
to understand the human Nature,and you know they're just like
googling and just like asking aquestion like why are you guys
do this, why do you guys do that?
And it's so like mechanical,it's like so robotic the way the
alien thinks, because thealiens are always thinking like
this is your percentage to die,we just want to survive, but
slowly.
(36:59):
After asking all thesequestions, the alien realizes
like alright, like this is humannature to care about family and
friends and empathy andrelationships, and kind of
putting Statistics and logicsbehind you for the sake of
feelings, you know, and thatwould have been a cool thing to
have Kaji da do.
Instead, they didn't do any ofthat.
Instead of that fucking scenewhere they're going to space,
(37:21):
all that shit you show in thetrailer, you could have had her
Experiencing the human you knowcomponent of earth and life and
humanity, and that would havebeen cool I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
In the comic she was a.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
They had like a strong relationship right
between Jaime and you know andit's funny that you say that and
I mentioned it to you earlierthe comics which I've read only
because I was really excitedabout a Latin, you know,
superhero, and the whole thingis also not that good.
They miss it, they miss themark with that all the time,
with Kaji da and there I thinkthey're trying to fix it.
(37:57):
The last blue beetle comic cameout was called graduation day,
was a six-part series andbasically the alien force that's
coming Originally from whereKaji doc comes from is is, you
know, on its way and they haveto, like you, kind of dig into
the backstory.
But it's really not good.
Like there's no relationshipwith Kaji da and Jaime and once
(38:17):
again, there's nothing thatmakes Jaime spectacular.
He, he's not like a martialartist, he's not super smart,
he's not like a work.
Ethic is crazy, you know, he'sjust a regular dude from pre-law
yeah like they need to dosomething about that.
In the beginning of the movie,though, you do get to see the
other Beatles in graduation day.
(38:39):
You do get, so you getintroduced to basically like the
yellow beetle, the green beetle.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They also possess people from like around the
world as hosts and and are theysimilar to like Green Lantern,
where they it's like it's veryevil?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Some of them yeah, I think all of them are good
eventually, oh, in the comics.
So they kind of like I thinkmaybe they'll eventually make a
team or something.
But the color scheme, yeah,we're like there's like
different Beatles, but they moreor less have the same power
Obviously.
I remember like the yellowbeals, like a little bit more
brolic.
They kind of have likedifferent weapons systems, but
(39:14):
it was yeah, personalities.
Yeah, yeah, I mean like all,they all have different human
hosts.
So okay.
Yeah, but it was, it was cool.
That seems cool.
A lot of the stuff conceptuallyis cool and visually is really
cool in the comics, but theyjust they're really bad at kind
of just hitting that.
They have no delivery bro.
(39:34):
And there's something I told youabout earlier too, that they do
in the comics that I'm not toosure I agree with is that they
have a lot of Spanish dialoguewithout translation.
It's just like I'm so proud oflike being Latino I really am, I
love it, and at the older I get, the more proud I am so like,
I'm very like passionate aboutlike getting other people
involved in our culture, andthere's more to that Than just,
(39:58):
you know, like saying we're,we're Hispanic.
You know, and you know dancingaround and all this other shit
that we like, like I want peopleto understand and experience.
You know what it's like, youknow it's important and that's
kind of like fun.
And when people do it wrong,I'm just like, come on, guys, do
better.
Don't just wave the flag aroundin front of their face and
expect them to fuckingunderstand.
You know, like, show them astory, right.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, I agree, you know, it's really frustrating.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know.
But you know James Gunn saidthis is, this is the beginning
of the fucking gun universe.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
But he didn't partake in any creation, and so I wish
he did it's off to a stinkystart.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, I wish he was there, man, and it's very
frustrating.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like they, they they had like the depth, they could
have gone way deeper you know,yeah, yeah, they could have they
could have.
Yeah, I can't tell if, like,they just didn't have enough
time or they just decided to cutout all the good parts, or it
just didn't have the budgetwasn't there, I don't know.
I don't know the reason why, ormaybe the ideas didn't come off
(41:06):
right.
I mean, I just I can't find anexplanation on why they didn't
just Like.
I guess that goes for a littlebit more.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, and that goes for all of the DC movies.
Man, there, I don't knowthey're missing something.
Wonder Woman I was so sad andI'm really sad that Gal Gadot is
potentially Wonder Woman.
Yeah, I think she's a horriblecast for Wonder Woman.
I think they have a chance tofucking cast someone who's
actually I think there's such anegative opinion Dylan, like
they think like very like inshape woman or like, you know,
(41:41):
stocky woman, like it's amasculine thing, it's not sexual
Like cast Wonder Woman assomebody who's stocky, like Bill
, you know.
Like let's get rid of that.
Wonder Woman should be, sheshould be, you know, an athlete,
you know fucking like in thecomics, exactly.
Instead, you got this fuckingyeah, this action is fucking
well like 110 soaking wet bro.
(42:03):
Probably you know all she doesis like fucking air squads.
No fans got to get up and be dotrain more.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't fucking know, but all I'm saying is that she
was in the army, though, whichis interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean that was part of her culture.
Everybody in Israel has to goto the army, everybody.
It's mandatory.
I was in the army, it waspretty cool yeah, but you know
what I'm saying.
Like you have a chance to kindof just get like you know, like
break the mold.
You can be cool, you can becool.
How are you butchering all ofthis?
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The 1984, that shit was like baby Jesus.
Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh, I wish that.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I could do this, this , that, and I wish that you were
going to be like that and Iwish that something.
Something, bro, don't go that.
I wish I couldn't believe thatwas the plot, bro.
I get I'm like many waywatching the movie and I'm like
dude, there's no way this islike the real thing.
(43:04):
This is the actual plot of thefilm.
They have to make wishes inorder for shit, to make the,
make the plot continue and makethe story go forward.
They have to rely on wishesNuts it's true.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Let me look up the DC movie.
Is DC upcoming movies?
Let's see what.
If there's anything to lookforward to here.
There's Aquaman, the LostKingdom, yeah.
I don't watch Aquaman I don'tknow.
I don't know what they're goingto do with that, there's the
new Joker movie, unrelated tothe new, you know, james Gunn
(43:39):
versus the musical bro.
Yep, there's Superman Legacycoming out in 2025.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Who's what you know, I forgot his name.
He's been he's in a lot of likea theater and musical Lin
Manuel, miranda, right that'shis name, right yeah.
What if he's in them, themusical.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I won't be too happy about that, Unfortunately.
I think Lin Manuel is awesome.
Hamilton Hamilton is great.
Look, but you can.
You can spot a Lin Manuel songfrom a mile away.
Bro, Kind of has kind of likethe same things bro, but and
he's talented.
But maybe just go to do yourshit with Disney.
It works for Disney, but don't,don't raise your.
(44:19):
The Joker.
Joker's gonna do great, though.
Still directed by Todd Phillipsexecutive.
Produced by James.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Gunn.
I'm really looking forward tothat.
Yeah, james Gunn is going toevolve?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I think they might.
Yeah, I think they might try tomake it into the universe
honestly Joker, but we'll see.
Yeah, I do Damn.
Superman Legacy 2025, theBatman Part II 2025.
That seems to be the onlythings in line right now for
James Gunn's new universe.
It seems also very very faraway.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Part two Batman Part.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
II.
I'm not too sure.
I think that it's aconversation that's happening
right now, but it has beenconfirmed.
I really hope not, well, youdon't know what the new universe
is going to be.
Yeah, but you're right, it istoo cool.
Batman is too good to be mixedin with the new Beatles, the new
vlog and the atmosphere andvillains are just like.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
We have our own universe.
We're okay by ourselves.
We don't need a James Gunn.
No offense, james Gunn is great, but I rather.
You know I'm very a pridefulBatman fan.
We should just be on our ownisland, our own bubble.
What are you going to say,superman?
What?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah Well, james Gunn announced that his projects are
going to be released in likechapters, similar to like Marvel
Cinematic Universe.
The first chapter he's callingChapter One, gods and Monsters,
and it's officially going tokick off Superman Legacy in 2025
, which he is directing andwriting.
So that's really going to bethe first one really of James
Gunn's universe.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
So this is the end count.
No, no, no, no, no, no at leastfrom what I know it's part of
the Snyder, because it did comeout the one that Snyder moves,
the first one.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes, it's not mixed in with anything, so I'm not
sure if it was.
You know they tried to put inSuperman at the end of the first
one because Shazam, superman,we're supposed to be like a
thing.
But yeah, that turned out.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
But yeah, that's all, blue beetle.
Did we recommend it?
No, but do you want to see itanyways?
Sure, it's up to you.
Want to see how bad it is?
Fine, it's up to you.
Well, be warned you.
Yeah, there was only a few goodmoments.
I say it's decent because thosefew moments I liked, so that's
why I'm giving it just a decent54.
(46:35):
You know, there's not much tosay, still kind of dooky.
But what do you expect fromsuperhero movies these days?
That's what you're going to get.
I'm just done with thelightheartedness man.
I just want more serious tonemovies, I agree.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's kind of what makes DC different from Marvel,
honestly.
So they should definitelycapitalize on that, and they can
, but they're going to have to,in a weird way, like really
ground a lot of their superherostuff a little bit more, which
is why I don't really likeSuperman.
He's too OP, but you can groundhim, there is a way, because
the dark knight or the newBatman's very heavily grounded,
(47:15):
like motherfucker Ron Pattersonwas getting his ass whooped,
often by fucking minions.
It was real, you know, and theyneed to do that with these
movies.
They need to like give thesepeople powers but also make them
seem like they could be beaten.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh, this is one thing I forgot to mention too.
Things you reminded me, theweapons and blue beetle, that
shit was pretty repetitive untilthe end with the big ass the
blasters Every time you got acool ass weapon.
No, no, I don't want to kill,don't do that.
Back to blasters.
This is true, it's very trueSounding blasters.
(47:49):
I was just like bro yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I mean she said she could imagine anything.
It could have been worse, broand I in Green Lancer, and that
they could.
He also imagine anything and heimagined like a NASCAR going
down the fucking NASCAR tracks.
It was not good.
So other DC movies that JamesGunn has has lined up is other
than Superman Legacy is theBrave and the Bolt, and
(48:11):
Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow andSwamp Thing.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Supergirl.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, sir.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Let's go, we're in the same.
Supergirl from Flash, right?
I'm not sure, Like what do youmean?
I mean you should, yeah, thesame Supergirl from Flash.
He's going to make a movie outthere, right.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Oh, that Supergirl from Flash.
I'm not sure if it's going tobe the same Supergirl.
She has said she hasn't heardany word.
That was once again.
That was kind of part of theold Snyderverse.
I don't know if she's going tobe used in the new Supergirl.
Oh yeah, yeah, so we'll see.
But anyway, I think that's thatman.
You got anything else.
You got anything else for thepeople?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Nah, man, it's 54.
It's okay for me.
I mean, you still think it'sdookie.
That's okay with two.
I agree that with the poorwriting and the plot development
character it could have beenbetter.
But you know, if he says ass Iwon't correct you.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
But I'm glad we supported it still, it had
potential.
Yeah, we can do this, guys, wecan do this.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
We just work a little bit harder, it's all we need.
Use some chat.
Gbt, the Marvel chat.
Yo, we're at Aschat, gbt bro.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Honestly, they'll tell you.
Even the AI will fucking tellyou.
So they got me.
Yeah, all right, guys.
Well, thanks for coming.
We'll probably record very soon.
We have Cinema Day this Sunday,so we're definitely going to
check something out.
So, peace, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
(49:43):
bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye.
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