June 26, 2025 • 29 mins
Kevin from Belief Crew takes us on a fascinating journey through the coming shift in consciousness projected for 2027. This transformation moves us from group-focused existence toward individual empowerment—where our personal growth directly lifts the collective consciousness.
The conversation delves deep into what holds entrepreneurs back from stepping fully into their calling. Kevin explains how anxiety, particularly around money, creates invisible barriers to fulfillment. "We want to preserve our retirement plan, preserve our bank account, and then add something on top of that," he notes, highlighting the contradiction in trying to hold onto security while simultaneously seeking transformation. This insight prompts us to question: are we creating enough space in our lives for new possibilities to emerge?
Perhaps most thought-provoking is Kevin's theory about trauma resulting from not understanding our spiritual gifts. "Trauma is basically not being loved through an experience that's painful," he explains, suggesting many of us cope with life because we haven't fully connected with our unique gifts or found ways to integrate them meaningfully. This perspective offers a fresh lens for understanding our struggles and potentially transforming them through self-discovery.
For those curious about practical steps, Kevin recommends exploring Human Design and Gene Keys assessments as starting points, along with being open to different healing modalities. His Belief Crew team offers retreats featuring aqua therapy, massage, and focused work on understanding gene keys—all designed to help participants connect with their authentic purpose.
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Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
Resilience where we willventure into the heart of the
(00:27):
human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
What's happening in 2027?
You can't just leave us hanging, you can't just yeah, you're
like wait what so you're youprobably should look at.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Like I said, I'm not an expert in this area, but the
general overview is that in the1600s, the design shifted to be
very group oriented.
So you think about all of likechurches and all these groups
that came over the last, eventhe whole idea of the industrial
revolution collaboration at ahigh level in a different way
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than we had been doing and nowin 2027, it'll be shifting to
the individual.
So it's actually the cool thingabout this shift is that each of
us, as we grow, we will liftthe whole world.
So this is why it's importantand with all of our partners and
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everyone that works with us, weteach that it's not about
making these concepts likeproprietary or like somehow
coming up with a solution andfocusing on well, we own this,
it's our IP, or anything likethat in the future, because
whatever we knowledge we have,it just helps us to get to the
(01:56):
next level, and then it's prettymuch useless.
You're there, moving on Right,and so I think that's why things
are just going to be shifting.
I don't know much about how allthis all works, but it's
interesting to have thatperspective and then look at AI,
for example, and realize, oh,this is giving us the space to
do this, to really move up ourenergetic level as a whole
(02:18):
consciousness, as a whole bigcommunity in the world.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Wow, 2027.
That's just around the cornercommunity in the world.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Wow, 2027 that's just around the corner.
Yeah, and it's been.
It's been happening for a longtime I would say earliest like
this has been prophesied orwhatever you want to call it by
different people.
I've the earliest time I'veheard this spoken was like 2004,
so it's been happening for along time and it's more if you
think about all the influencerstoday, or all this focus as we
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change in the new economy.
I think it's related to whatI'm talking about here, where
it's more about entrepreneurship, more about putting yourself
out there in a way that wehaven't in the past, or not
sitting back in that corporatejob that we can cope in and,
however you want to look at it,yes, be comfortable, there we go
(03:11):
.
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's what it comes down to.
That's just that comfort level.
It's you're comfortable.
Yes, that's awesome, that'sawesome.
So I think that's such abeneficial piece.
As you talk about the clientsthat you're working with and the
clients that you're attractingto your business, moving forward
is that understanding thatyou're not coaching and working
with them for what was, but alsoto their full potential, and
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also where the collective willbe, which.
That business model or evenpractice looks completely
different from a business thatyou're structuring for success
today.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah.
And that's that's where Jamiecomes in.
Like she, she can just like seethe future with people Like I
don't know.
She just that's her gift.
She literally you tell her whatyou're doing and she'll use
your human design and your genekeys for sure.
But she just has this innateknowing as to what fits for you
(04:08):
and it's just totally her, herthing.
And so that's really nice,because usually what happens is
people actually come out of acall with her and say, oh, my
goodness, that's way that is,you just blew my mind.
And they're kind of a littleoverwhelmed because it's so so
(04:31):
much right, like it's so big.
And so that's why we've come upwith the rest of our team to
support, to support people andnot being overwhelmed by that
big vision that Jamie just cameup with.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I imagine that could be very overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Or never experienced anything like that ever.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah.
So then they're usually like,ah, maybe I don't need to talk
to you for a little while, butthen they always come back
because they you know they'relike, I'm going to chew on that
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Let me get back to you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
They're definitely not like.
I want to talk to you tomorrow,Right.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, cause their mind was just blown and they
needed it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, exactly, I love that.
Talk to you tomorrow, right?
Yeah, because their mind wasjust blown and they needed yes,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That is so great like when I first understand a
little bit of that depth ofwhat's possible for us, that can
be really exciting, right.
And then then we dive into thedetails of it, it's like, oh
great, I have to show up likethat, like I have to believe
that, all right, I get tobelieve I have the opportunity
to step into and believe fullythat that's me, that that's how
(05:30):
I show up in the world and thatcan be.
I mean, it's very empoweringwhen we get there, but in the
meantime it's like I don't know,because it's usually hitting
just going back to that herostory, it's hitting on the one
deep fear that we have that putus in our comfort zone in the
(05:50):
past, right, that's why we'retrying to be comfortable there.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And it got us to this point in life.
So if you regret to that, it'sokay.
It's your comfort zone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's the hard part is because we think we can just
retreat, like let's go back towhat was comfortable.
But after you go down this roadyou really can't.
It's just, it's just a mess,like you've.
You've started to see what'spossible.
You know you have to step intoit and going backwards is
painful, right like it's.
Suddenly you're like oh, Idon't know if I can actually
(06:27):
deal with that with the energyof where I was before.
I can't do that.
I can't be around the peopleeven that I necessarily wanted
to hang out with before.
It's nothing wrong with them,I'm just in a different space
and I can't do that anymore.
So that's maybe the mostunpleasant part of the message.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, that seed is planted now and you can't go
back.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, it would hurt.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's just painful.
Exactly.
Spoiler alert.
There you go, exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's amazing, that's amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah Well, kevin, in the clients that you've worked
with, that you and Jamie havehad the opportunity to work with
, what are some of thechallenges that you see pretty
much on repeat with yourentrepreneurs that come before
you, that we can maybe equip orgive our listeners, if they're
choosing to start thisentrepreneurial journey, with
some insight that will help themalong the way.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So everyone's different.
I think that the big thing thatI noticed, even for myself I'm
still working on it a lot isthis whole I don't know.
I guess let's call it anxietylike the layers of the onion.
When it comes to anxiety, it'skind of since I've been down
here, I've noticed it a lot more, with people coming from the us
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and understanding, like I don'tknow what it is necessarily.
I think there's a bunch ofdifferent factors, but it's
almost like, in some ways, someof us at least the more career
driven people, let's say havebought into and we have these
different anxieties that arepart of our daily life and then
(08:07):
we don't realize how muchthey're affecting us.
And so when we start to stepinto our calling, there's
usually at least one big thingthat we're struggling with.
When that is around anxiety,something as simple as showing
up online or networking orspeaking all of like.
(08:27):
You guys probably know thatstory pretty well, so I guess
that's that's probably thenumber one reason why we try to
get people down here at thebeginning of the journey with
with us, get them to Mexico andget some understanding of what's
possible outside of that thatspace of anxiety that they're
(08:48):
living in.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
When you talk about anxiety as an onion because just
when we think that we'vefigured it out, or we figured it
out just enough to hide it fromthe world so that they don't
realize it, that's the realityis that you have to face it
wholeheartedly, toe to toe.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I think the main one is money, and I'm
totally not immune to this, butwe start people with Kyle
Cease's book, the Illusion ofMoney.
So that's a good place to startJust understanding that our
bank account, our retirementplan, all of that is not the
(09:25):
success plan.
That's not related to ourcalling.
Like, if you think about thepeople who have done amazing
things in the world, they didn'tlike figure out how to hold on
to their retirement andmeanwhile also do something
right.
And usually where we'restarting in today's culture is
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we want to preserve that,preserve our retirement plan,
preserve our bank account, andthen add something on top of
that.
And what kyle tells us and whatwe teach at belief crew is that
we can't do that.
It's like holding on tosomething and then saying I want
something different.
Right, like we have to.
There is no life script here ofwhat you have to do, but we
(10:11):
have to learn to really dig intowhat's behind that.
Why are we individuallychoosing to have that safety and
security before we make a move?
And when we can figure that out, then we can start to get
insight into, okay, what's mymotivation for doing this and
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what's possibly the triggers andwhy I'm anxious about money.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's a huge one and I imagine it's a huge anxiety
for most people I was going tosay entrepreneurs, but most
people.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Everyone, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's the theory of creating the space, if I'm
understanding you correctly,right Like it's so focused on
holding on to what we currentlyhave, then we can't, by any way,
shape or form, create the spacefor the thing that we're
wanting to create.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Or attract or build or whatever that may be.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
It's creating that space to allow the new thing in
yes, if we write like a 30-yearletter to ourselves, for example
, or or do use hypnotherapy togo into the future or whatever,
to kind of envision what'spossible, we're going to see
that investing in ourselves nowcould like vastly change the
(11:33):
future.
But what we tend to do is wantto like bring ourselves and
everything that we think rightnow along into the future, and
that's really not going to workLike if we're going to, but if
we go into the future, we'realways going to make that choice
to invest now.
I mean, that was where mypersonal journey started is we?
I got some money from my mom,who died in 2007, and then her
(11:57):
trust was settled later, oractually it was through my
grandparents, so it took a whileand then we sold all our
rentals and so we had this biglike what are we going to do
with all this?
And I was having theseconversations just meditating on
it and it became very clear tome like, oh, we could invest in
us, like.
It was kind of like a strangemoment of like duh right, like,
(12:22):
out of all the things that ispossible, why wouldn't we invest
in us?
And so that was the beginningof our journey.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, I love that, because you're investing in the
here and the now rather thanhanging on to the money for what
potentially may happen, correct?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Or not happen, or not happen yes exactly, or not?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
happen and it's so interesting that Natalie and I
are both coaches as well and oneof the hardest things for our
clients I know my clients is youknow, where do you want to be
in five years?
Where do you want to be?
And they can't think that.
All they can think about islike this year, Like no, no, no,
I've never thought about it.
I'm like, but what if you didthink about that?
What would that look like toyou?
And that's people to thinkabout.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, A hundred percent is.
And I know that you said 30years from now.
I know I was like that blew mymind.
I'm going to do later this weeka session with a group of
leaders and and uh, part of thatis talking about legacy
leadership and and I actuallywas thinking about that today I
was like, okay, 30 years fromnow, now 2055 and I started to
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get anxiety just in thepreparation for a talk, looking
at 2055 on my screen and I waslike what in the world am I
thinking?
Where will I be in 2055?
What does that look like?
And that's a big piece to kindof uncover and tear apart so
that you can, yeah, get there,yeah, yeah, it's, it's better to
(13:52):
address that subject today thanit is later.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Right, like it's just .
It's one of those things thatwe so we grew up.
My wife is born in centralwisconsin, we raised our family
there and it's a place where youhave all these paper mills and
we had just story after story ofthese, usually men that worked
in these mills and they workedhard, like it's well over 100 in
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the summer, long hours, youknow, usually shift work, and so
they all have the same dreamlike they get a couple days off
so they, they can have a periodfor hunting now and then, and
all that.
But they all have the samedream of I'm going to retire,
I've got my little shop, I'mgoing to do my hunting, whatever
, and so many stories.
(14:38):
Six months into retirement theydie Like.
So even Jamie's grandparents,who we love dearly, our grandma
is a hundred percent Italian,they are just amazing folks.
But like I go to their houseand I'm like wow, you guys have
so much to offer the world andyou're just sitting here, and
that's not completely true, butit is kind of, and I think that
(15:02):
our generations are going toshift that, because I don't
think as much as we appreciatethe stability and what they gave
us and maybe that was theircalling in their time.
In the future, I think we'regoing to want a lot of that
wisdom after 80 years of livingto come back and to help others
and to get into that place whereyou can see that young people
(15:25):
are spiritual.
How can we serve them?
How can we understand who theyare and support them?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I love that gosh I love that and I guess that's
where we'll be in 30 yes, we'llbe that wisdom that's at the
other end, that's pouring backinto we'll have to.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We have to be because the kids today are by far the
most spiritual kids thatabsolutely like they're.
I mean, they probably will bestill teaching us, but we will
have to be in a place to be ableto receive and to mentor them
in some way.
I don't know how, because I'mtalking about like people on the
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spectrum, for example, I've hada chance to work with some of
them and it's like they're sogifted.
By the way, this isn't one ofmy subjects that I've really
loved talking about recently.
I think there's actually traumafrom not understanding and
embracing our gifts tell us moreyeah, well, so trauma is.
(16:23):
Trauma is basically not beingloved through an experience.
That's painful.
Okay, when we work with peoplethat have serious abuse at the
worst case scenario like if theperson is not able that abuse
them, can't repent or whatever,or like say I'm sorry, which
usually doesn't happen we alwayshave that ground to retreat to,
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where they they can see howthey can love themselves and
receive love through theexperience.
Right, and so when you havelove going fully through that
experience, then it doesn't takeaway the pain, but you need
that feeling of being connectedand that you're embraced and
loved through that painfulexperience.
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Well, I think that the samething happens when that's where
I think a lot of coping comesfrom is that we're not really,
we don't understand how to knowwhat our gifts are and we get
little feedback about what theymight be.
But we don't always likeconnect to it fully and we don't
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necessarily know in this agelike what to do with them.
And I'm talking about as someonethat uses my spiritual gifts a
lot.
It's still I don't fully knowhow to use them and I don't
really know how to fit them intothe economy.
Let's say sometimes right, so Idon't know.
It's a theory, putting it outthere, it's possible.
(17:51):
That's one reason why we copeand that we can just acknowledge
.
Hey, it's a little bittraumatic.
I see this especially withyoung kids that have no clue why
they're able to see spirits orwhatever right Like yeah,
interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, more to come Exactly exactly as you can
discover that, I think, oruncover that for yourself and
share that with the world,because I, I definitely think
that you're spot on there.
There's a lot that it's one ofthe additional things that hold
us back from finding our gifts,right, just even when you
realize that you have a gift todiscover and it, um, it brings
me back to the person that and Iand I apologize, I'll I'll
(18:34):
research it and drop it in theshow notes, but there's the
quote that's like the themeaning of life, or the.
Your purpose in life is to findyour gifts and the meaning of
life is to give it back to theworld.
Um, so like it's it this?
It goes back to exactly thatLike you spend this time, you
realize that you have thesegifts to uncover and discover,
and then your charge is share itwith the world.
(18:54):
And the challenge I think I'llmake this an I statement is when
you realize what those giftsare and then you quote, unquote
profit from it, right, becausethen it becomes part of the
economy.
Like you said, it's like nowI've discovered this gift and I
also need to pay my mortgage.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So here here you are, world, yes, that's the hard
part is, I think there's kind oflike two different like like
we're in this space in timewhere the old economy doesn't
really work and the new oneisn't fully established Right.
So we have people that we workwith.
(19:31):
That it's like, oh, there mightbe some leanness in that shift,
but there's always a way to besupported, even in the leanness
period of time.
It's just we way to besupported, even in the leanest
period of time.
It's just we have to be morecreative.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I was going to say this is probably not the time to
take your foot off the gas Likethis is the time you're pushing
through, especially over thenext five years moving forward.
Don't let off on it, especiallywhen you're on that journey of
discovering it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I think there's so manyside gigs or whatever, right
Like we hear that all over thenews about, and I think that
there's just a huge number ofpeople involved in this
revolution, from the what was towhat is, and so that's.
I think the cool part is thatwe don't necessarily have to
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understand all of it, right like, we just get to discover this
together, and that's the beauty,really.
If we start to understand whatour gifts are is, we can start
to appreciate the gifts we seein other people, and then we can
start to see how we're allworking together and that magic
is happening.
Like back to the hero's journeythere, whenever the hobbit would
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use that ring, he didn'tunderstand how to use it, he
didn't understand what happened,he just knew he needed to be
there and eventually, I think,he came to love that whatever
happened, right, like, wow, thisamazing stuff happened.
I don't, maybe he did, hedidn't tell it in the story Like
, oh, this is what happened.
And the more we get thatfeedback of being in our gifts
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and doing what we are reallycreated to do is when we have
the best, most fulfillment, themost joy.
And then when we're doingsomething else.
We're like huh, this doesn'treally work as well for me.
We start to go to the rightplace, the right energy and pick
(21:26):
that all the time well, I'mlooking forward to 2027 to see
unpacks yeah, I've been tryingnot to like wording.
There is possibly not verypowerful.
The whole sentence was not verypowerful but, like I don't want
to put too much.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You know, like we gotta be yeah, we've gotta be
like really stepping into todayand, yes, I join you in being
excited about 2027.
Like I can't wait to see whathappens.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm excited about the journey to get
there too.
Yes, very good.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm excitedabout the journey to get there
too.
Yes, very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I was going to say.
It's kind of like when you know, when you realize where you can
go in meditative practice, andthen you strive to get to that
place, not the process to get tothat place.
It's like I can't wait to havethat experience again.
That's not what you shouldfocus on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Exactly.
Yeah, that's not what youshould focus on.
Exactly, that's a good analogy,right.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yes, that's kind of what we're living through right
now.
Yes exactly Until we get there.
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Well, kevin, if our listenerswant to get a hold of you or
connect with you and your teamto work with you, how can they
find you?
What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, so we're on.
I guess the easiest way to findus is LinkedIn.
Believe Crew Also.
We have a website,wwwbelievecrewcom.
Yeah, those are the two placesthat we find people.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Any special projects or retreats or gatherings that
you want to share, that ourlisteners need to know about.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Jamie's doing a retreat in October that will be
on the beach and we're going tobe having like aqua therapy.
People come in differentmodalities to just help,
massages, that kind of stuff andthen just having fun.
That's kind of her style.
Next year we're planning a GeneKeys retreat, again where we do
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I have a partner I work withwhere we go through, educate and
and do any healing that'savailable for each gene key and
that usually is part of a moreof like a 90-day program because
it takes I think there's like17 gene keys, so we do two of
them per day.
It's fairly intense but it'salso like super educational
(23:42):
about who you are yeah, wow,beautiful and then human design
and gene.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Key are the assessments that you highly
encourage everyone to take andthen load those reports into
your favorite ai platform to geta summary yes, yes and then
it's I mean, there's so manypeople out there that are
experts in human design.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
If you search your network, you're going to find
someone.
Usually, if anything, theyundercharge for the value
they're giving you.
So, definitely, whatever thenumber is that they give you,
that's going to be yes, yeah,and if it's higher, you're
probably working with someonethat's even better and really
really good at what they do.
(24:25):
So it's worth I don't know 500000 more than that.
That depends on what they'recoming up with and and who they
are and what they want, how theywant to help you, love it and
if you bring that back to whatyou started us off with
investing in yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
If you look, yes investment in yourself.
It's priceless right.
Just pay it and know you'regoing to use it to continue to
grow Exactly.
Yeah, I love that.
Any final thoughts or words forour listeners, or anything that
we didn't touch on, that youwanted to touch on today?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I thought this was amazing.
I really thank you for yourtime and I guess I just want to
express to everyone that we eachhave a path and there's so many
people out there doingspiritual work, energy work,
whatever.
I think the biggest thing to dois not so much like if you feel
like, oh cool, I need to reachout to belief crew.
(25:16):
We want to be there for you,but I also just feel like our
journey has been working with.
You know 10 to 30 differentpeople in our recovery, so I
just would encourage you to justlike start to notice and
explore the spiritual side ofwho you are and notice
especially the people that comeinto your life in this magical
(25:38):
way and see what do they have tooffer you and be willing to
have some conversations andexplore it.
I think each of us have a pathand I think that there's other
companies out there like BeliefCrew.
There's other companies likeyour massage therapist or your
Reiki person down the road orwhoever it is.
I've had the fortune of workingwith all these modalities.
(26:02):
They're all amazing and Ireally would love for more
people to do that.
I think that as you exploremore in different ways of
receiving help, it's justamazing, so incredible.
Go for it.
You know, don't let your fearshold you back.
And that's been especially truefor me, being down here in
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Mexico and even experiencingsome of the Mayan ceremonies,
like there's not a singleceremony or anything I've ever
tried.
That was ever that I ever tried.
Maybe I'm just listening to mygut and being on my path.
That hasn't been amazing.
It hasn't helped me to expandmy spirituality.
So don't listen to that voice.
(26:44):
It's like, oh no, I can't beenamazing.
It hasn't helped me to expandmy my spirituality.
So don't, don't listen to thatvoice.
It's like, oh no, I can't dothis and it's too scary and it's
too new.
Just just try things.
Have fun with it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Love that.
I think that's the best advice.
Explore more, right Don't yes.
Yeah, we want to thank you.
This was wonderful, veryenlightening.
Thank you so much for takingthe time out to spend some time
with us and our listeners andgiving us some insight and some
tips for us to continue on ourown journey.
Um, that's been tremendouslyvaluable, I think.
(27:13):
So thank you so much.
We will make sure that we putall of your contact information
in the show notes as well, soour listeners can find you.
We're wishing you the best ofluck, you and Jamie.
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Thank you very much, and thank you both for doing
coaching and for helping peopleand getting your message out
there, speaking to the broadercommunity.
So appreciate that as well.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Thank you, absolutely .
All right, until next time, andif you're looking for more
information on ReigniteResilience, head on over to
ReigniteResiliencecom.
We'll see you all soon.
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Resilience.
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
Resilience where we willventure into the heart of the
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We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
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And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
What's happening in 2027?
You can't just leave us hanging, you can't just yeah, you're
like wait what so you're youprobably should look at.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Like I said, I'm not an expert in this area, but the
general overview is that in the1600s, the design shifted to be
very group oriented.
So you think about all of likechurches and all these groups
that came over the last, eventhe whole idea of the industrial
revolution collaboration at ahigh level in a different way
(01:13):
than we had been doing and nowin 2027, it'll be shifting to
the individual.
So it's actually the cool thingabout this shift is that each of
us, as we grow, we will liftthe whole world.
So this is why it's importantand with all of our partners and
(01:33):
everyone that works with us, weteach that it's not about
making these concepts likeproprietary or like somehow
coming up with a solution andfocusing on well, we own this,
it's our IP, or anything likethat in the future, because
whatever we knowledge we have,it just helps us to get to the
(01:56):
next level, and then it's prettymuch useless.
You're there, moving on Right,and so I think that's why things
are just going to be shifting.
I don't know much about how allthis all works, but it's
interesting to have thatperspective and then look at AI,
for example, and realize, oh,this is giving us the space to
do this, to really move up ourenergetic level as a whole
(02:18):
consciousness, as a whole bigcommunity in the world.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Wow, 2027.
That's just around the cornercommunity in the world.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Wow, 2027 that's just around the corner.
Yeah, and it's been.
It's been happening for a longtime I would say earliest like
this has been prophesied orwhatever you want to call it by
different people.
I've the earliest time I'veheard this spoken was like 2004,
so it's been happening for along time and it's more if you
think about all the influencerstoday, or all this focus as we
(02:50):
change in the new economy.
I think it's related to whatI'm talking about here, where
it's more about entrepreneurship, more about putting yourself
out there in a way that wehaven't in the past, or not
sitting back in that corporatejob that we can cope in and,
however you want to look at it,yes, be comfortable, there we go
(03:11):
.
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's what it comes down to.
That's just that comfort level.
It's you're comfortable.
Yes, that's awesome, that'sawesome.
So I think that's such abeneficial piece.
As you talk about the clientsthat you're working with and the
clients that you're attractingto your business, moving forward
is that understanding thatyou're not coaching and working
with them for what was, but alsoto their full potential, and
(03:36):
also where the collective willbe, which.
That business model or evenpractice looks completely
different from a business thatyou're structuring for success
today.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah.
And that's that's where Jamiecomes in.
Like she, she can just like seethe future with people Like I
don't know.
She just that's her gift.
She literally you tell her whatyou're doing and she'll use
your human design and your genekeys for sure.
But she just has this innateknowing as to what fits for you
(04:08):
and it's just totally her, herthing.
And so that's really nice,because usually what happens is
people actually come out of acall with her and say, oh, my
goodness, that's way that is,you just blew my mind.
And they're kind of a littleoverwhelmed because it's so so
(04:31):
much right, like it's so big.
And so that's why we've come upwith the rest of our team to
support, to support people andnot being overwhelmed by that
big vision that Jamie just cameup with.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I imagine that could be very overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Or never experienced anything like that ever.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah.
So then they're usually like,ah, maybe I don't need to talk
to you for a little while, butthen they always come back
because they you know they'relike, I'm going to chew on that
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Let me get back to you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
They're definitely not like.
I want to talk to you tomorrow,Right.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, cause their mind was just blown and they
needed it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, exactly, I love that.
Talk to you tomorrow, right?
Yeah, because their mind wasjust blown and they needed yes,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That is so great like when I first understand a
little bit of that depth ofwhat's possible for us, that can
be really exciting, right.
And then then we dive into thedetails of it, it's like, oh
great, I have to show up likethat, like I have to believe
that, all right, I get tobelieve I have the opportunity
to step into and believe fullythat that's me, that that's how
(05:30):
I show up in the world and thatcan be.
I mean, it's very empoweringwhen we get there, but in the
meantime it's like I don't know,because it's usually hitting
just going back to that herostory, it's hitting on the one
deep fear that we have that putus in our comfort zone in the
(05:50):
past, right, that's why we'retrying to be comfortable there.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And it got us to this point in life.
So if you regret to that, it'sokay.
It's your comfort zone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's the hard part is because we think we can just
retreat, like let's go back towhat was comfortable.
But after you go down this roadyou really can't.
It's just, it's just a mess,like you've.
You've started to see what'spossible.
You know you have to step intoit and going backwards is
painful, right like it's.
Suddenly you're like oh, Idon't know if I can actually
(06:27):
deal with that with the energyof where I was before.
I can't do that.
I can't be around the peopleeven that I necessarily wanted
to hang out with before.
It's nothing wrong with them,I'm just in a different space
and I can't do that anymore.
So that's maybe the mostunpleasant part of the message.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, that seed is planted now and you can't go
back.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, it would hurt.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's just painful.
Exactly.
Spoiler alert.
There you go, exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's amazing, that's amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah Well, kevin, in the clients that you've worked
with, that you and Jamie havehad the opportunity to work with
, what are some of thechallenges that you see pretty
much on repeat with yourentrepreneurs that come before
you, that we can maybe equip orgive our listeners, if they're
choosing to start thisentrepreneurial journey, with
some insight that will help themalong the way.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So everyone's different.
I think that the big thing thatI noticed, even for myself I'm
still working on it a lot isthis whole I don't know.
I guess let's call it anxietylike the layers of the onion.
When it comes to anxiety, it'skind of since I've been down
here, I've noticed it a lot more, with people coming from the us
(07:45):
and understanding, like I don'tknow what it is necessarily.
I think there's a bunch ofdifferent factors, but it's
almost like, in some ways, someof us at least the more career
driven people, let's say havebought into and we have these
different anxieties that arepart of our daily life and then
(08:07):
we don't realize how muchthey're affecting us.
And so when we start to stepinto our calling, there's
usually at least one big thingthat we're struggling with.
When that is around anxiety,something as simple as showing
up online or networking orspeaking all of like.
(08:27):
You guys probably know thatstory pretty well, so I guess
that's that's probably thenumber one reason why we try to
get people down here at thebeginning of the journey with
with us, get them to Mexico andget some understanding of what's
possible outside of that thatspace of anxiety that they're
(08:48):
living in.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
When you talk about anxiety as an onion because just
when we think that we'vefigured it out, or we figured it
out just enough to hide it fromthe world so that they don't
realize it, that's the realityis that you have to face it
wholeheartedly, toe to toe.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I think the main one is money, and I'm
totally not immune to this, butwe start people with Kyle
Cease's book, the Illusion ofMoney.
So that's a good place to startJust understanding that our
bank account, our retirementplan, all of that is not the
(09:25):
success plan.
That's not related to ourcalling.
Like, if you think about thepeople who have done amazing
things in the world, they didn'tlike figure out how to hold on
to their retirement andmeanwhile also do something
right.
And usually where we'restarting in today's culture is
(09:47):
we want to preserve that,preserve our retirement plan,
preserve our bank account, andthen add something on top of
that.
And what kyle tells us and whatwe teach at belief crew is that
we can't do that.
It's like holding on tosomething and then saying I want
something different.
Right, like we have to.
There is no life script here ofwhat you have to do, but we
(10:11):
have to learn to really dig intowhat's behind that.
Why are we individuallychoosing to have that safety and
security before we make a move?
And when we can figure that out, then we can start to get
insight into, okay, what's mymotivation for doing this and
(10:33):
what's possibly the triggers andwhy I'm anxious about money.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's a huge one and I imagine it's a huge anxiety
for most people I was going tosay entrepreneurs, but most
people.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Everyone, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's the theory of creating the space, if I'm
understanding you correctly,right Like it's so focused on
holding on to what we currentlyhave, then we can't, by any way,
shape or form, create the spacefor the thing that we're
wanting to create.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Or attract or build or whatever that may be.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
It's creating that space to allow the new thing in
yes, if we write like a 30-yearletter to ourselves, for example
, or or do use hypnotherapy togo into the future or whatever,
to kind of envision what'spossible, we're going to see
that investing in ourselves nowcould like vastly change the
(11:33):
future.
But what we tend to do is wantto like bring ourselves and
everything that we think rightnow along into the future, and
that's really not going to workLike if we're going to, but if
we go into the future, we'realways going to make that choice
to invest now.
I mean, that was where mypersonal journey started is we?
I got some money from my mom,who died in 2007, and then her
(11:57):
trust was settled later, oractually it was through my
grandparents, so it took a whileand then we sold all our
rentals and so we had this biglike what are we going to do
with all this?
And I was having theseconversations just meditating on
it and it became very clear tome like, oh, we could invest in
us, like.
It was kind of like a strangemoment of like duh right, like,
(12:22):
out of all the things that ispossible, why wouldn't we invest
in us?
And so that was the beginningof our journey.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, I love that, because you're investing in the
here and the now rather thanhanging on to the money for what
potentially may happen, correct?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Or not happen, or not happen yes exactly, or not?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
happen and it's so interesting that Natalie and I
are both coaches as well and oneof the hardest things for our
clients I know my clients is youknow, where do you want to be
in five years?
Where do you want to be?
And they can't think that.
All they can think about islike this year, Like no, no, no,
I've never thought about it.
I'm like, but what if you didthink about that?
What would that look like toyou?
And that's people to thinkabout.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, A hundred percent is.
And I know that you said 30years from now.
I know I was like that blew mymind.
I'm going to do later this weeka session with a group of
leaders and and uh, part of thatis talking about legacy
leadership and and I actuallywas thinking about that today I
was like, okay, 30 years fromnow, now 2055 and I started to
(13:29):
get anxiety just in thepreparation for a talk, looking
at 2055 on my screen and I waslike what in the world am I
thinking?
Where will I be in 2055?
What does that look like?
And that's a big piece to kindof uncover and tear apart so
that you can, yeah, get there,yeah, yeah, it's, it's better to
(13:52):
address that subject today thanit is later.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Right, like it's just .
It's one of those things thatwe so we grew up.
My wife is born in centralwisconsin, we raised our family
there and it's a place where youhave all these paper mills and
we had just story after story ofthese, usually men that worked
in these mills and they workedhard, like it's well over 100 in
(14:18):
the summer, long hours, youknow, usually shift work, and so
they all have the same dreamlike they get a couple days off
so they, they can have a periodfor hunting now and then, and
all that.
But they all have the samedream of I'm going to retire,
I've got my little shop, I'mgoing to do my hunting, whatever
, and so many stories.
(14:38):
Six months into retirement theydie Like.
So even Jamie's grandparents,who we love dearly, our grandma
is a hundred percent Italian,they are just amazing folks.
But like I go to their houseand I'm like wow, you guys have
so much to offer the world andyou're just sitting here, and
that's not completely true, butit is kind of, and I think that
(15:02):
our generations are going toshift that, because I don't
think as much as we appreciatethe stability and what they gave
us and maybe that was theircalling in their time.
In the future, I think we'regoing to want a lot of that
wisdom after 80 years of livingto come back and to help others
and to get into that place whereyou can see that young people
(15:25):
are spiritual.
How can we serve them?
How can we understand who theyare and support them?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I love that gosh I love that and I guess that's
where we'll be in 30 yes, we'llbe that wisdom that's at the
other end, that's pouring backinto we'll have to.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We have to be because the kids today are by far the
most spiritual kids thatabsolutely like they're.
I mean, they probably will bestill teaching us, but we will
have to be in a place to be ableto receive and to mentor them
in some way.
I don't know how, because I'mtalking about like people on the
(16:02):
spectrum, for example, I've hada chance to work with some of
them and it's like they're sogifted.
By the way, this isn't one ofmy subjects that I've really
loved talking about recently.
I think there's actually traumafrom not understanding and
embracing our gifts tell us moreyeah, well, so trauma is.
(16:23):
Trauma is basically not beingloved through an experience.
That's painful.
Okay, when we work with peoplethat have serious abuse at the
worst case scenario like if theperson is not able that abuse
them, can't repent or whatever,or like say I'm sorry, which
usually doesn't happen we alwayshave that ground to retreat to,
(16:46):
where they they can see howthey can love themselves and
receive love through theexperience.
Right, and so when you havelove going fully through that
experience, then it doesn't takeaway the pain, but you need
that feeling of being connectedand that you're embraced and
loved through that painfulexperience.
(17:08):
Well, I think that the samething happens when that's where
I think a lot of coping comesfrom is that we're not really,
we don't understand how to knowwhat our gifts are and we get
little feedback about what theymight be.
But we don't always likeconnect to it fully and we don't
(17:30):
necessarily know in this agelike what to do with them.
And I'm talking about as someonethat uses my spiritual gifts a
lot.
It's still I don't fully knowhow to use them and I don't
really know how to fit them intothe economy.
Let's say sometimes right, so Idon't know.
It's a theory, putting it outthere, it's possible.
(17:51):
That's one reason why we copeand that we can just acknowledge
.
Hey, it's a little bittraumatic.
I see this especially withyoung kids that have no clue why
they're able to see spirits orwhatever right Like yeah,
interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, more to come Exactly exactly as you can
discover that, I think, oruncover that for yourself and
share that with the world,because I, I definitely think
that you're spot on there.
There's a lot that it's one ofthe additional things that hold
us back from finding our gifts,right, just even when you
realize that you have a gift todiscover and it, um, it brings
me back to the person that and Iand I apologize, I'll I'll
(18:34):
research it and drop it in theshow notes, but there's the
quote that's like the themeaning of life, or the.
Your purpose in life is to findyour gifts and the meaning of
life is to give it back to theworld.
Um, so like it's it this?
It goes back to exactly thatLike you spend this time, you
realize that you have thesegifts to uncover and discover,
and then your charge is share itwith the world.
(18:54):
And the challenge I think I'llmake this an I statement is when
you realize what those giftsare and then you quote, unquote
profit from it, right, becausethen it becomes part of the
economy.
Like you said, it's like nowI've discovered this gift and I
also need to pay my mortgage.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So here here you are, world, yes, that's the hard
part is, I think there's kind oflike two different like like
we're in this space in timewhere the old economy doesn't
really work and the new oneisn't fully established Right.
So we have people that we workwith.
(19:31):
That it's like, oh, there mightbe some leanness in that shift,
but there's always a way to besupported, even in the leanness
period of time.
It's just we way to besupported, even in the leanest
period of time.
It's just we have to be morecreative.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I was going to say this is probably not the time to
take your foot off the gas Likethis is the time you're pushing
through, especially over thenext five years moving forward.
Don't let off on it, especiallywhen you're on that journey of
discovering it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I think there's so manyside gigs or whatever, right
Like we hear that all over thenews about, and I think that
there's just a huge number ofpeople involved in this
revolution, from the what was towhat is, and so that's.
I think the cool part is thatwe don't necessarily have to
(20:20):
understand all of it, right like, we just get to discover this
together, and that's the beauty,really.
If we start to understand whatour gifts are is, we can start
to appreciate the gifts we seein other people, and then we can
start to see how we're allworking together and that magic
is happening.
Like back to the hero's journeythere, whenever the hobbit would
(20:43):
use that ring, he didn'tunderstand how to use it, he
didn't understand what happened,he just knew he needed to be
there and eventually, I think,he came to love that whatever
happened, right, like, wow, thisamazing stuff happened.
I don't, maybe he did, hedidn't tell it in the story Like
, oh, this is what happened.
And the more we get thatfeedback of being in our gifts
(21:05):
and doing what we are reallycreated to do is when we have
the best, most fulfillment, themost joy.
And then when we're doingsomething else.
We're like huh, this doesn'treally work as well for me.
We start to go to the rightplace, the right energy and pick
(21:26):
that all the time well, I'mlooking forward to 2027 to see
unpacks yeah, I've been tryingnot to like wording.
There is possibly not verypowerful.
The whole sentence was not verypowerful but, like I don't want
to put too much.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You know, like we gotta be yeah, we've gotta be
like really stepping into todayand, yes, I join you in being
excited about 2027.
Like I can't wait to see whathappens.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm excited about the journey to get
there too.
Yes, very good.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm excitedabout the journey to get there
too.
Yes, very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I was going to say.
It's kind of like when you know, when you realize where you can
go in meditative practice, andthen you strive to get to that
place, not the process to get tothat place.
It's like I can't wait to havethat experience again.
That's not what you shouldfocus on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Exactly.
Yeah, that's not what youshould focus on.
Exactly, that's a good analogy,right.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yes, that's kind of what we're living through right
now.
Yes exactly Until we get there.
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Well, kevin, if our listenerswant to get a hold of you or
connect with you and your teamto work with you, how can they
find you?
What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, so we're on.
I guess the easiest way to findus is LinkedIn.
Believe Crew Also.
We have a website,wwwbelievecrewcom.
Yeah, those are the two placesthat we find people.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Any special projects or retreats or gatherings that
you want to share, that ourlisteners need to know about.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Jamie's doing a retreat in October that will be
on the beach and we're going tobe having like aqua therapy.
People come in differentmodalities to just help,
massages, that kind of stuff andthen just having fun.
That's kind of her style.
Next year we're planning a GeneKeys retreat, again where we do
(23:21):
I have a partner I work withwhere we go through, educate and
and do any healing that'savailable for each gene key and
that usually is part of a moreof like a 90-day program because
it takes I think there's like17 gene keys, so we do two of
them per day.
It's fairly intense but it'salso like super educational
(23:42):
about who you are yeah, wow,beautiful and then human design
and gene.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Key are the assessments that you highly
encourage everyone to take andthen load those reports into
your favorite ai platform to geta summary yes, yes and then
it's I mean, there's so manypeople out there that are
experts in human design.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
If you search your network, you're going to find
someone.
Usually, if anything, theyundercharge for the value
they're giving you.
So, definitely, whatever thenumber is that they give you,
that's going to be yes, yeah,and if it's higher, you're
probably working with someonethat's even better and really
really good at what they do.
(24:25):
So it's worth I don't know 500000 more than that.
That depends on what they'recoming up with and and who they
are and what they want, how theywant to help you, love it and
if you bring that back to whatyou started us off with
investing in yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
If you look, yes investment in yourself.
It's priceless right.
Just pay it and know you'regoing to use it to continue to
grow Exactly.
Yeah, I love that.
Any final thoughts or words forour listeners, or anything that
we didn't touch on, that youwanted to touch on today?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I thought this was amazing.
I really thank you for yourtime and I guess I just want to
express to everyone that we eachhave a path and there's so many
people out there doingspiritual work, energy work,
whatever.
I think the biggest thing to dois not so much like if you feel
like, oh cool, I need to reachout to belief crew.
(25:16):
We want to be there for you,but I also just feel like our
journey has been working with.
You know 10 to 30 differentpeople in our recovery, so I
just would encourage you to justlike start to notice and
explore the spiritual side ofwho you are and notice
especially the people that comeinto your life in this magical
(25:38):
way and see what do they have tooffer you and be willing to
have some conversations andexplore it.
I think each of us have a pathand I think that there's other
companies out there like BeliefCrew.
There's other companies likeyour massage therapist or your
Reiki person down the road orwhoever it is.
I've had the fortune of workingwith all these modalities.
(26:02):
They're all amazing and Ireally would love for more
people to do that.
I think that as you exploremore in different ways of
receiving help, it's justamazing, so incredible.
Go for it.
You know, don't let your fearshold you back.
And that's been especially truefor me, being down here in
(26:23):
Mexico and even experiencingsome of the Mayan ceremonies,
like there's not a singleceremony or anything I've ever
tried.
That was ever that I ever tried.
Maybe I'm just listening to mygut and being on my path.
That hasn't been amazing.
It hasn't helped me to expandmy spirituality.
So don't listen to that voice.
(26:44):
It's like, oh no, I can't beenamazing.
It hasn't helped me to expandmy my spirituality.
So don't, don't listen to thatvoice.
It's like, oh no, I can't dothis and it's too scary and it's
too new.
Just just try things.
Have fun with it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Love that.
I think that's the best advice.
Explore more, right Don't yes.
Yeah, we want to thank you.
This was wonderful, veryenlightening.
Thank you so much for takingthe time out to spend some time
with us and our listeners andgiving us some insight and some
tips for us to continue on ourown journey.
Um, that's been tremendouslyvaluable, I think.
(27:13):
So thank you so much.
We will make sure that we putall of your contact information
in the show notes as well, soour listeners can find you.
We're wishing you the best ofluck, you and Jamie.
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Thank you very much, and thank you both for doing
coaching and for helping peopleand getting your message out
there, speaking to the broadercommunity.
So appreciate that as well.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Thank you, absolutely .
All right, until next time, andif you're looking for more
information on ReigniteResilience, head on over to
ReigniteResiliencecom.
We'll see you all soon.
Bye, everyone.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Thank you for joining us today on the Reignite
Resilience podcast.
We hope you had some ahamoments and learned a few new
real-life ideas.
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