Cherry Falls (25th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Hut Media Network, or listening on the Run podcast network
or watching on YouTube. We're catching up on memorable October
entertainment from the past, and I have a very special,
somewhat overlooked and underrated TV movie from twenty five years
ago that we are celebrating today. Cherry Falls, the Britney

(00:47):
Murphy horror flick gives multiple meetings to the phrase body count.
So this one is a little spicy, kids, so grab
your friends, wear black or basically wear nothing else at
all if you make it to the final act, hint, hint.
And if you'd like to watch or rewatch this movie,
you could rent or buy it from various platforms, or

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you can do what I did and sign up for
a free trial of Filo, or I'm sure you could
find it somewhere online. All right, virgins, there's a slasher
out there, So lock the car doors and hold on
to each other because it's time to rewind. First of all,

(01:37):
if we're recording on Halloween, so happy Halloween. This episode
will come out a little later. But we, my guest
and I are embracing Halloween. I got my pumpkin shirt on,
and our Slasher Junkie Carlos is in the house. I
have been a fan of his page is amazing, and
now he's here to discuss Cherry Falls with me. So hello,
Slasher Junkie Carlos.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
How you doing. I'm very happy just to be here,
and I feel a little bit honored that you reach
out to me to discuss such a random movie.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I know you know this is a more random one.
Many people still have not seen it. I've always appreciated it.
I've always loved it. I know it. You know did
not have a theatrical release in the US, which is
a bummer. But I mean I was glued to the
TV when it first aired. Did you first watch this
like on TV when it aired or did you watch
it later?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Oh? I have a funny story about this. It's kind
of traumatic for me.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh god, oh God, tell me if you're comfortable.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I recently shared this on the actual anniversary on my
Facebook page. So, back in October twentieth, two thousand, I
was at a school trip. Back then, I was in
eighth grade, and so that Friday, we were on a
school trip, and I remember that the bus was having

(02:55):
some mechanical issues and I was already stressy gal because
I was like, I need to be home at eight
pm or at nine pm, whatever whatever the time it was.
And I remember the bus had to park across the
street from the local toys or os and we were
still like an hour away, and I was on my

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little Nokia phone calling my mom yes yes, telling her,
telling her that I was going to be laid or
if she could just come over here pick me up.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So what happened? Did you finally, like, did they get
it all fixed and you got home in time? Or what?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh? So I did I get myself all set up
with my I was. I got on the couch with
my Burger King kids meal, ready to watch the movie
on the USA Network, and what happens There's a power outage.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? This
day was not a good day for you.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was a power outage that actually broke the cable box.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
What so you so it wasn't even just like, oh okay,
we won't have power for an hour, like you had
to go get a new cable box.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Not even that that inspired by Paris to just get
rid of the cable service because I was getting bad grades.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh my god, Carlos, this day is awful. It went
from terrible to awful. How did you feel? You must
have been so devastated.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I was devastated because that whole week I was anticipating
cherry falls. On Friday. I even almost not went to
that school trip because I just wanted to be sure
that I was at home all settled to watch the movie.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Where was the school trip? Do you remember where you went?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So, I'm from Puerto Rico Nice originally, so we were
going down I'm from the west coast of the island,
so we were going down to the south to visit
different museums over there. And but yeah, I was devastated
because it didn't take me. It took me like maybe
a year later when I finally was able to find that.

(05:02):
You remember that the first DVD that was The Double
Future with Terror Trapped.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh, my god, I so forgot about that, but now
that you bring it up, yes, I remember seeing that
at the story. Yeah, I ever saw Terror Tract though.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh it's really good, is it?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Okay, it's another slasher, I can't remember which one was that.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's an ontology and it's with John Ritter.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Okay, yep, it's bringing the Bell Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, he's a real church. So he's showing people all
these different houses. So every single house he's sharing them
one of one of the murder stories because the couple
that he's showing the house is like, do you have
any house that no one died in? Yeah? So when
I found that DVD, remember Sam Goody, I don't know

(05:46):
if you have.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh of course I remember Sam Goody over.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I don't know. I when I sold, I finally
got to watch the movie. I instantly loved it because
I was already a fan of Brittany Murphy.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh of course iconic she was.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean, not only was I a big fan of
starting to get familiarize myself by slashers thanks to Scream
and all the post Scream slashers, but seeing that Briny
Murphy was the final girl that immediately got my interest.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Absolutely, Oh yeah, because she had just done earlier that year,
you know about it, not yeah, not even a full
year ahead. Was like girl interrupted she of course, you know,
blew up with Clueless. So she was about to do
Don't Say a Word. Do you remember that one with
Michael Douglas, Right, Yes, she was. She was in her

(06:36):
kind of cool, gritty, like more darker stuff in her career,
you know, because she did such great comedy, but then
she could get pretty serious and raw, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, because prior to this, she also did a free
Way with Reese Witherstone.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Exactly, yes, Freeway. Oh man, that's dark.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And she did one of the Prophecy sequels. Yes, I never,
I never. I've never seen it though.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I've only seen the first Prophecy. And I was so young,
I mean it was around this time, and this movie
came out in twenty I was thirteen, so I think
I saw The Prophecy a couple of years earlier. I
was so young I couldn't even really understand it or
appreciate it. So I might check it out someday, but
I don't know. Those are movies that are a little
more deeper cut, you know, like not many people talk
about the Prophecy, you know, but I never saw her sequels,

(07:21):
so you're right.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
But I wanted to see The Prophecy and my dad
went to see it first. Oh that's usually what he
would do. And then he came back he's like, no,
you're not going to see this.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh well, that's a good parent. I love that. My
dad would just be like, all right, let's go, and
then we'd go and he'd be like, oh, okay. Like
I was seeing movies that were probably not good for
me to see at a very young age, but I'm normal.
I turned out just fine. I like horror. You know.
My dad was always he was always like, it's just
a movie, not a big deal, and he like laughed.

(07:53):
He got such a kick out of it. So yeah,
other parents were like you saw what?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But hey yeah for some some my my parents didn't
care what I was watching because I mean we had
we had that Oh you remember those black cable boxes
from the nineties hours Hours was hacked that had the
all the all the prime channels.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I had access to pay per view to to all
HBO Showtime. So I remember when the video store. I
would go to the video store, which is which another thing.
The owner he was friends with my family, so he
would let me rent anything that I wanted. My parents
had a shop in town, and the video store was

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a couple of blocks away, So whenever I was hanging
out of my parents' store, I would just walk over
there and I would glance at all the horror movies
and I would grab any R rated movie that I wanted.
But for some reason, there were some explicit movies that
they would not let me rent, like Natural Board Killers,
show Girls. Oh yeah, so I would have my sister

(09:00):
that she's five years older that I have and she
will read them for me.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh that's so funny. I love that. Oh yeah, it
was such a fun time because you know, back then
we were getting such really interesting, provocative R rated or
in Showgirls case, like NC seventeen rated, you know, seventeen
rated movies that were so buzzy and talked about and
looked so cool. So yeah, I love that. I miss
video stores and like what you brought up, Sam Goodie,
Like man, we didn't know how good we had it.

(09:26):
I mean we still have like Best Buy, but that's
a little different, you know, like the Sam Goodies, there
was fye, I don't know if that's still around, maybe,
but I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, back home in Puerto Rico, we did not
have Best Buy. Okay, we had Sam Goody, we had
Stunk Goes Video.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh Sun Coast. Loved Sun Coast Oh.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh, that one was like my treat every year because
for Christmas I would usually get money. So once I
collected all my Christmas money, my parents would take me
to the specific mall and San Juan that had Sound
Coast and that was my That was my introduction to
a lot of movies from the sanities and eighties and
I still hold I still hold onto those DVDs because

(10:09):
I'm like, I'm not getting rid of them, even if
I have absolutely Blu Ray or Fok.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Absolutely. I loved Sun Coast. I found the same thing
I remember seeing, like the covers of Halloween and a
clockwork orange like in Sun Coast Video. And also just
Sun Coast looked so cool. It was dark and like
it was decorated very well. Yeah, I'm so glad you
had it too. Now where did you grow up, because
I've been to Ring Cone, which I think is on
the west side.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
From Yeah, so in order for you to go to
Ringcote you definitely went through where I'm from. I'm from Aguada.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah. The airport in that area, the big airport there
is Aguadija, so it's basically Aguadija, Aguada and Ring Gone.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh cool, How funny. Yeah it was. It was a
few hours drive from San Juan, maybe like three hours
or so, I think, to get their ish but beautiful.
Oh my gosh. When did you leave Puerto Rico to
come to New England or did you live in elsewhere
in the US before? Bosh.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I've I've been living elsewhere due to my job traveling.
But I've been in I've been in Florida, Nebraska, Oh, Iowa.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, surprises.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
And now I've been in Massachusetts for almost ten years.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I noticed that you and I were at Spooky Empire
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Were we I went two years ago? Were you there
years ago?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yes, because I went there to meet the cast of Jawbreaker.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
How funny. Oh my gosh, you are so funny and
I love that you noticed that. That is so cool. Yeah.
I didn't meet them, but I right before our flight
back up here. It was that Sunday they did their panel.
Were you there watching their like panel conversation.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh, I was only there, I think it was. I
only went there for one day, okay, and I got
to meet them. I already knew Darren beforehand, and so
I hung out with him for a little bit. I
was fucking I was freaking out when he went over
and took me to meet Rebecca Gayheart, because I was
the reason that I was. I was going there to
meet Rebecca Gayheart.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh love.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah. Urban Legend is my favorite ninety slasher.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Love it. I see it behind you up there, I
see it with the with the other faces.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh. Actually I actually have a wall here with my autographs,
poster picture with Rebecca.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I love that movie asthma. Just I love Scream. I'm
always I'm always like I love Urban Legend a little
bit more, do.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
You, Yeah, I mean, I love I love them all.
I mean there are no bad movies like I mean,
there are some bad movies, but but those are so good,
like the years of ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight,
you know, with and just so good, so good. And
it's funny that you bring up Jobbreaker. Darren Stein has
been on the show. I've chatted with him about making it.
He was so amazing and it's funny. I tried. I
reached out to Rebecca Gayheart to her publicist about Urban

(12:58):
Legend for its twenty fifth a few years ago, but
it was at the height of the actors strike where
actors weren't really promoting any work. So they were like,
thank you, but not right now. But at least I
got a response. I was pretty happy because I figured
they're not going to respond, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
It was it was such a weird time because I'm
back in the strike. Because I went, I mean, I
go every year to the Houston Horror Film Festival.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh, that seems like a good one. I haven't been
there yet.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
And then the year that the strike was happening, some
of the some of the guests, I mean I would
go and meet them, and according to them, they were
not allowed to discuss about any movie path or presence.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yes, mm hmmm, which is tough. It's like, huh.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay some of them. But the one that stood out
for me was Samantha Mathis. Oh yeah, and I remember
talking to her about American Psycho, Oh yeah, super Mario. Oh,
but she was like, oh, I'm not allowed to talk
about about my promography or whatnot. But I know that
she she she actually works for the like for sag

(14:01):
Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Does she is? She like involved? Uh in? Oh? Interesting? Okay,
so then she really had to be.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I was like, what the hell am I supposed to
talk to you about?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Like, yes, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
How's your husband, your kids, if you have any? Like
it was it was an awkward interaction.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, that is tough. Oh yeah, I remember that time
because it was like, hey, we don't know what they're
going to be able to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I did enjoy the movie that you did, Casting Casting Kills.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Oh, Casting Kill. Did you watch it? Oh my god,
you are the nicest Carlos. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I really enjoy the premise and I liked the lead
actors as well. He was funny.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh thank you. Yeah, I lucked out. Oh my god,
you are so nice. Thanks for watching my work. Yeah
that I usually I usually make, you know, more serious horror,
but I you know, for myself, I write and direct,
but when I'm producing, I produce stuff for other people.
That's all genres. But I really wanted to do like
a silly horror comedy that still has some seriousness, seriousness

(15:01):
to it. You know. So that was sort of my
version of like eighties meets a little bit of scream,
you know, and then set in the world of casting
and production like what I'm in. But oh, that's so nice.
Thank your friend.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
You definitely got inspired. There were a lot of things
there that I was just laughing because I figure, oh
he he took this from life experiences.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, some of it. Oh yeah, some of those people.
Actually most of those people are based on real people
I know. So yes, I've worked. Oh gosh, that's so funny.
But yeah, that played at Spooky Empire two years ago,
so how funny we were there. We probably walked by
each other because I want a couple of days that
year will be right back. I remember the story like this.

(15:47):
It was a dark and scary night, kind of like
tonight Cloud. Yeah. Earlier this year, Nev couldn't make it,
but I went to Nineties Con and some friends and
I and I don't normally do the photo ops, but
friends and I split it and we did the whole
Scream group and Matthew Lillard squeezed my shoulder and I
was like, oh my god, like, oh, it was amazing.
So yeah, that's there's.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Much opportunity to meet him, because I'm always I'm always
nervous to meet him.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh he is so sweet. He really like looked at
me and smile and say hey, I mean like you said,
You're only there for literally two to three seconds. It's
like hi, smile, leave like next. But it was a
really it was really cool. It was so amazing. Oh
my god. But anyway, all right, well, I want to
tell everyone about your page, slasher Junkie real quick, and
then we're gonna nerd out about Cherry Falls. So what

(16:35):
inspired you to make your Instagram page? Because it's so
much fun. Basically, if you're watching on YouTube, everybody his
background is like what his page is, and it's so amazing.
It's so horror. So how long have you been doing
the page and what made you start it? Your love
of all things.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Horror basically, and because grow growing up, I was always
involved and different message boards and that's how I got
how I got to meet a lot of horror fans
through message boards. I was always hanging out on the
Bloody Disgusting message board, the Upcoming horror movie message board,
if any if any horror movie source had a message board,

(17:14):
I was there. But you know, agreed. Towards the late
two thousands, message boards started to disappear, even the one
that I missed the most of the IMDb wants. That's
that's where I would get all of my right.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I still look at the IMDb like user reviews, even
though sometimes they spoil or sometimes they're just dumb, rude comments. Right,
But I am so right there with you, Carlos. Yes,
the IMDb message boards. I could spend hours on those
as a kid and teen. Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
My god, I would. I would not go I would
wake up early before going going to school and I
would just be school well not scrolling at that time,
but on my desk stop ye oh yeah, consuming all
this horror knowledge, and then go to school.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Basically, I created this Instagram page just to kind of
I kind of keep it as a diary of some sort.
Because the way that because like the way that my
mind works, I remember a lot of things based on
pop culture, Like you can mention me a movie and
that instantly take me to the year that he was released.
Oh I love doing where was I?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, Oh my god, you're speaking my language. You are
meant to be here, Carlos, because that's me, I remember
years and like, if not the day, at least like
the year, the months and like what you know, yes,
all that really deep trivia that like most people don't
even care about, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I like. That's what I like
about this podcast. And I was like, okay, I need
I need to join him and celebrate Cherry falls. So
when did you actually get to watch Cherry I.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Watched it live that night October twenty at two thousand.
Great segue, Carlos. Yes, so everybody, let's rewind to October
two thousand, because I watched this movie live, like you,
I was very excited. I guess we were seeing commercials.
I mean we weren't really. I guess we were watching
trailers online then, but it wasn't like how it is today,
you know. With with the Scream seven trailer, we real

(19:09):
quick speaking off Campbell, how did I forget to ask
your very quick thoughts? What do you think of Scream
seven based on the trailer that was just released?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I was I was worried initially, but once I saw
the trailer, I'm like, okay, I'm all in. I'm gonna
I'm gonna be there on that Thursday, night when it premires.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Right, I can't wait. I know, yeah, it looks really good.
I love that they I love the whole Stew's House bit.
Although you know what I'm telling you everyone, I'm okay
with it burning down because I don't think we need
to spend any more time there. We've been there many
times in the sequels, right between one and then the
and then three on Hollywood with the set, and then
four no not four five, and now like we're good, right,

(19:49):
So I'm okay with it, you know, burning up. I
think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's gonna give me what I was waiting for in
Scream five Scream five because I was hoping the house
would would is burned down after they live, Yes, thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yes. It was very strange to be like, oh, okay,
so it's not I thought that was going to destroy it,
and that was gonna kind of be like fives ending,
like Four's ending when Sydney says don't fuck with the
original fives ending would also kind of say the same thing.
And now the yes, so I agree. I'm it's interesting.
So I'm glad we're getting that. It seems like that's
gonna be the opening. But yeah, it's badass. It's great

(20:24):
to see Sydney front and center. I'm a little worried
because Gail only has like her one little silly line.
I'm like, I hope she's in this like a lot,
because the trailer makes it seem like you know, but I.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Think they did a good job cauting the trailer because
I know a little bit about the plot, and there's
still a lot of things that they did not reveal.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Right, I feel like half the cast we didn't even
really see. So I like that. That's good, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh yeah, I was tell I was telling a friend
of mine how curious I did not we did not
see at least the three suspects that I have, oh
huh on the trailer at all.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I agree, I hear you, I know, I know. Okay, Well, anyway,
enough of Scream, enough of NEV love you all, But
we are gonna talk about a Scream knockoff. Scream ripoff,
many people say, and rewatching it now twenty five years later.
I mean some of these scenes and moments are straight
up copied from Scream, right, And you know what, I'm
okay with it. I love it because they knew what

(21:23):
a special movie. That was. What a popular movie that was.
So of course Cherry Falls exists because of Scream's popularity, right,
It's like undeniable. So Carlos, I'm gonna just set the
scene and tell you what was going on twenty five
years ago, October two thousand. This is what was popular. Okay.
So the number one song I want to hear your thoughts.
The number one song was Come On Over, Come On

(21:45):
Over Baby from Christina Right, iconic, What a jam, What
a great song. And I remember that music video very well,
all like all colorful, but then the white and then
she had the red streaks in her hair. Right.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh may CRL You were probably watching too as well.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh I was every day. I was obsessed. Did you
ever call? Did you ever get to call in and
like or like or like? How how did we vote?
I think you would have to call to vote for
the song.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Right, probably, but I'll do My parents will kill me
if I were calling from Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
From Puerto Rico, yeah, for some dumb show, right exactly.
So that was a number one song on the TV side,
since this was a TV movie, although it wasn't intended
to be at all. So I wonder if like the Stars.
I'm sure people were kind of pissed. It's like, wait,
this was supposed to be a theatrical movie and it's
just going to be on USA, which is really kind
of a random channel to put it on. But anyway,

(22:37):
this is what was popular on TV. These shows had
just premiered. Carlos MTV's Jackass, Gilmore Girls on the WB
I was shocked to see CSI I've never really watched.
I don't it's not really my kind of thing. But
on CBS cside, the long running crime scene investigation show
had just started. Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO just premiered,

(22:59):
and this is a little bit of a deeper cut.
You might not have seen it. It ran for four seasons,
but oh I loved the show. Boston Public. Does that
ring a bell?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I know that, I definitely know the title, but it
was probably more like an adult show, so did I
never paid attention to it.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, for some reason as a I mean I was
like thirteen, so for some reason in my early teens,
I was really into this show about teachers. But it
was so good. David E. Kelly, you know Rashida Jones
long before you know Parks and Rex. So yeah, anyway,
so those were the shows that were brand new. And
here are the movies that came out this Some of
them came out this same exact day because this was

(23:36):
a Friday, like you mentioned. But these were the popular movies.
Meet the Parents with Ben Stiller and Robert T. Miro Be,
Dazzled with Brendan Fraser and Elizabeth Hurley, Remember the Titans
with Denzel Pay It Forward, which was Helen Hunt, Kevin'spacey Haley,
Joel Osmon, Lost Souls with Winona Ladies.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh did you see Lost Yes? Because so, as you
mentioned Meet the Parents, it took me back because my
friends and I were supposed to watch Lost Souls, but
then when we got to the movie theater, both of
them were like, oh, we want to go see Meet
the Parents, and I'm like, bye, I went to see
Lost Souls by myself and they went to see Meet
the Parents.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That is so funny. Oh my god, what a time
capsule moment. Yeah, Lost Souls was not all that great, right.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
But when on a writer is my favorite actress all
time favorites?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh my god, right, I watched anything with her as
the best. I completely agree. What a special Actress. Yeah,
and I remember what was so exciting about that was
it was Winona in like a horror movie, which she
didn't really do that often. She was in Dracula, but
you know, she's not really in horror ever, So that
was exciting. And I remember that movie came out Friday
the thirteenth in October, and I was like, whoa, right, Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Was an exciting week for me because I remember I
went to see that. It opened Friday, I went to
see on Sunday. And then this also remember back in
so that week at the USA Network, actually that whole month,
they were premiering different kind of horror films. That same week,
on the Tuesday before the Friday, the Cherry Falls premiere

(25:13):
day premiere, Shreek, if you know what I did last Friday?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
The Oh my god, you are your memory is amazing, Carlos. Yes,
I remember that. You're right. It was part of You're right.
It was a part of like a Halloween premiere week.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Wow. Yeah, So I remember I watched the day premiere.
Do you remember anything else besides that one?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I feel like I might be mistaken, but I think
they also did Cabin by the Lake or The Seat
will return to Cabin by the Lake with John Nelson.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh maybe, wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I might be mistaken, but for some reason that that
title is coming to my memory, right.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you're totally like really reminding me of some things.
You might be right. I'm looking right now to see Shriek. Okay,
let's see. Yeah, Carlos, you are okay, this is a
I am. I'm like nerding out right now with you.
The TV movie premiere of Shriek, if you know what
I did, blah blah blah, was October seventeen, two thousand,
just a couple of days before Cherry Falls. You're right, yeah,

(26:11):
so yeah, oh my god, you have unlocked.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I remember I was only able to watch the opening
because we only had like one main TV at the house,
and of course that during that time, I want my
parents just wanted to watch the news or whatever other controlgram.
So a lot of times I would miss out on
watching those premiere during the weekdays. But right I Cherry Falls.

(26:35):
I was meant to watch it.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
But oh god, I cannot believe that happened to you.
Oh my gosh. Well I'm glad. I'm glad the universe
led you to it a little later and you now
are obsessed with it, and I see it's behind you.
It's right behind your head. Your Blu Ray copy of
Cherry Falls. Love it with Brittany, and.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I also have a book of Shadows. It also takes
me to that time.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, because that had that was about to come out
that just the other day turned twenty five, so that
was about a week later that came out exactly what
a time, Carlos two thousand, Oh my god. So yeah,
so that was all the popular stuff. So now Carlos,
I'm gonna give you a second here. I want to
throw it over to you in your own words, because
I know people might be listening who have never seen
Cherry Falls, because like we said, it's still a little

(27:19):
under the radar. It's a lower kind of it's less
popular than many others. So in your own words, doesn't
need to be long. What is Cherry Falls about?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Let's see, it's pretty simple. I would say. In the
small town of Cherry Falls, Virginia, high school teenagers discovered
that there's a serial killer targeting specifically virgins. So in
ordered to them get themselves off the endangered species list,
they organize a pop your Cherry party or fuckfest. Oh god,

(27:56):
they just see that as their only hope for survival
and basically, for once, the virgins are are not saved
in a slasher movie.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Right, Yes, it took that rule that scream stated, right,
Randy says you can never have sex, right, and of
course Screams subverted that because then Sidney and Billy, you know,
do have sex and Sidney makes it out, you know,
so they kind of squashed that rule. But here's the movie.
I mean, I think we all if he took us

(28:26):
to a bedroom at a party, I mean, okay, yes,
it's a hard yes, right, but yeah, this movie then
takes that rule and now totally twisted, which I remember
thinking was so clever and darkly funny, like, oh my god,
he's going after virgins. Now everyone's gotta have sex, right,
And that's why this movie apparently had a lot of

(28:47):
MPAA rating issues because they were making like an NC
seventeen movie. There was gonna be far more explicit sex
and the big popular cherry party the best, which I
still I mean, that word is so funny, but I
still to this day cringe. I always cringe whenever I
watch it. When the principle of all people says it's
gonna be a fuck fest. I'm like, oh my god,

(29:09):
Like you are a teacher, you can't say that. And
this interesting article you might have seen Carlos. It came
out a couple of weeks ago for this film's twenty
fifth on the website Polygon. The writer even said, isn't
it kind of funny that like it ended up being
slightly edited for TV. I mean, you know, we're not
seeing the NC seventeen version at all in the US, right,
but they can still say curse words on USA, including

(29:32):
the word fuck fest. So this fuck fest actually is
very PG thirteen with everyone mostly you know, clothed or
in their underwear. So I thought that was kind of
interesting that you actually explicit words but not really even
the violence is pretty tame, i'd say overall. I mean
it's scary, for sure, I'm scared by it, but it's
not You're not seeing anything that's super gory or anything.

(29:55):
Because it was TV.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Twenty five years ago. A horrible crime was committed in
the town of Cheery Falls.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
No, you haven't heard about Roddy Stacy.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Did they break up?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Break up? Wake up?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
They're dead?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
There was a little bit of nudity though. Do you
remember seeing that nudity on the TV.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
At the sex party?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, the two that stick out for me are when
they're at the morgue looking at I think yes body,
you see her breast yes, and the rape flashback you
get a quick flash off her breast as well.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You're right, you're so right. Yes, so we did. Wow.
So yeah, we were seeing boobs on USA in two thousand,
Like that's sort of surprising. WHOA, Okay, I forgot about that. Yeah,
I remember. Yeah, the because just seeing it a few
days ago you had the like morge scene, I was like,
oh wow, okay, we're going for it. Naked body right there.
You're right. So yeah, they definitely pushed I think as

(31:04):
much as they could for airing on not HBO or
like Showtime.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
It was.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
It was USA, so you can get away with some
but not much, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We talked a bit about Britney Murphy, how she was
doing her thing. She also, I forgot to mention, had
just done Drop Dead Gorgeous a year prime.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh my god, how can I forget? That's like my
favorite movie?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Right, I mean, how could we not bring that up? Yes?
I mean Hail to the queen at the infamous gay
when she right. So she had done that, and I
always forget because I didn't watch it. I'm not a
big animated show person. But she at this time, at
this current time, was the voice for a long time
of Luanne in the animated show King of the Hill.
I always forget that. Yeah, so she was making some

(31:46):
voiceover money for sure. So that was Brittany. Let me
talk real quick about the writer and producer Ken Selden.
He had he didn't have much on his resume at
this time, but he had written and directed a movie
called White Lies. His script was actually, from what I've
read and you might have heard this too, it actually
like most of what he wrote ended up in the film.

(32:06):
But it was the director, this Australian director, Jeffrey Rich right,
who wanted to amp up the sex and actually make
it more serious. I guess ken Selden was going a
little bit for that scream tone where it was horror,
but it was a little more comedic, a little satire.
The director, Jeffrey Wright, he really wanted to make it
a bit more serious because there is some dark comedy.

(32:29):
But would you agree, Carlos like this movie's mostly I
would say, pretty serious, right.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I would say so, because as far as the comedy,
there's only like a couple of scenes that really stand
out for me, Like, for example, when we get to
meet the mister Marlston for the first time at school.
There's a lot of comedy there. Most of the comedy
comes from when the teenagers are interacting within themselves.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yes, mm hmm, yep, their banter and how they like
are kind of rude to each each other, yes, agreed. Yeah.
And also our gay character. I'm so glad we have
a gay character. He doesn't make it long, but how fun.
And he is so like he's the he's the teen journalist,
so you know, he's giving that like Gail Weathers, he's
giving Jared Leto from Urban Legend, you know, like, yeah,
I gotta I gotta like crack this story, right, Jimmy, Jimmy. Yes,

(33:20):
he's funny. He's got some great, you know sense of
humor that keeps things light not bad.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
At the thirteen year old, I was oddly attracted to him,
maybe because I had never seen another gay guy in
a slash the slasher movies he also played. He played
another gay role in a movie called Happy Campers. I
don't know if you've ever seen him.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Oh that sounds familiar?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Is that horror to no Happy Campers? It's like the
coming of h oh drama with Justin Long, Jamie Oh,
Jamie Dami, I forget her last name. She was in
the remake of My Body Valentine.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Jamie Yes, Jamie, Jammy King, Yes.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Emily Emily Burrow from Oh Yeah, Carry Too, Yes, Yes
is in it.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh my gosh. This cast is so like.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
A great it's a great cast. But he was also
he was also in that movie as the token gay guy.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean, I don't know if he's if he's gay
or queer in real life, but he plays it so well.
And you know what I think is so cool about
him and this movie is that not only did they
have like an seemingly like out gay character, but he
didn't look because you know, at this time, you know,
we had like Jack On Dawson's Creek Kurse Smith. You know,
we had gay characters, but they looked a lot like

(34:37):
the straight characters. They were styled straight quote unquote. You
know what I mean. He was funky. I think he
had some piercings, right, He's skinny. He's got this like
very kind of flamboyant and interesting, quirky way about him.
So I liked that. It was like, oh, someone different,
and and immediately it made me love Brittany Murphy Jody

(34:58):
even more because it's like, Oh, you two are like
kind of like offbeat, You're quirky, You're punky, like I
like you. You're not so all American like kind of
vanilla like some of these other leads.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Can be right, I would have been best friends with
both of them.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh, I agree, I agree. Yeah, there's such a fun
duo for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
This Australian director Jeffrey Wright. He had done a movie
called Romper Stopper with Russell Crowe in the early nineties.
He didn't really have a ton on his resume either,
so it's interesting he got it. But did you You
probably know this since you're a fan. Did you hear that?
Apparently the script was sent to David Lynch to possibly direct,
and he apparently really liked it. What do you think

(35:38):
about that?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
That surprised me because as soon as I found out
about that, I just imagine how much different this we
would have been. It would have just been more fucked
up much more darker.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh yeah, and this movie already is weird, right, but
he would have made it like nonsensical, he would.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Have made it so strange, right, But I mean, I
think he made a good choice because back in the time, Yeah,
I can't, I don't know which movie he was probably
gonna work on. I'm assuming maybe it was Mulholland Drive.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, he was apparently becauldn't.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, if this this was.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I guess this shot in ninety eight ninety nine, like
like late ninety eight, early ninety nine. So he, I believe,
was working on a movie I still haven't seen, called
The Straight Story. I think Sissy's basic might be in
that one, if I remember exactly.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
If yes, I think she is never I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Though I've never seen it. That's one of his more
quote unquote normal movies. I've heard, like, it's not really
all that weird. But so he was working on that
and yes, getting ready to I'm sure writing and starting
to get ready to do Mulholland Drive, because that came
out a year after this movie, right, So I just
love that they sent it to him and that he
read it and he said he really liked it, but
he took on, you know, his other projects, which is

(36:47):
for the best. They ended up being very you know,
important projects for him. But so besides Brittany, I'll just
talk about two other actors are other leads. Michael Bean,
who plays her dad. What a babe? Oh my gosh.
I looked up his age and it's funny because, like
I say this a lot on the show, like guys,
especially like years ago, seventies, eighties, nineties, even early two thousands, right,

(37:09):
like they looked older than how we look now. Because
I'm in my late thirties, he was in his early forties.
I'm like, oh shit, I'm like getting to be Michael
Bean's age. But I don't look that like manly and rugged,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
So I'm like the same thing, the same thing happens
with me as well, And I think you and I
are probably the same age.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, how old are you?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Thirty thirty eight?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Me too? Okay, eighty seven in eighty seven? Yeah? What
what's your birthday? What day? What month?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
February? February second?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Ooh nice, I'm April ninth. So we are very close
in age. Love that no wonder we know? So many things.
I mean, I have so many interests. Exactly how old
I think I saw? He was like forty three forty
four And that was actually when this came out. Let
me just double check that real quick. Michael bean Oh,
so Google is so funny. I type in Michael and
it says Michael bean Age. I'm like, yep, let's go
to that one done fifty six. So let's just say

(38:00):
if this shot in nineteen ninety nine minus nineteen fifty six. Yeah,
he was around forty three years old, so right, Like,
that's not that far off from us. But I'm just like,
whoa you feel like like a dad? I'm like, am
I a dad?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well? Yeah, he definitely would have been ah appropriate to
be our father.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh totally apout, Yeah, because she's you know, seventeen or
so right exactly. So yeah, but he had just done
he had just done, i think earlier this same month
of that year, the Art of War, a movie with
Wesley Snipes. And he was previously in The Rock and
Jade of course Terminator in the eighties, but these were
his more recent nineties films. Jade was like a sexual

(38:40):
thriller that just turned thirty, so he was doing some
things he was doing also a lot of like straight
to video stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know, that's where I that's where I knew him
from and from Jade, because I watched Jade at an
age where I'm probably not supposed to be watching it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Back in the nineties, well those mid nineties, sexual thrillers.
Sex was like so popular, but you know it was
done in such a adult way. It wasn't, you know,
all because of like basic instinct, right, It wasn't like trashy.
It was very seductive and smart. You know, even wild things,
which is trash, but it's it's trash done in such

(39:17):
a brilliant smart way. A no, like you know what
I mean, it's it's so smart and clever.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I love wild We don't. We don't get those anymore.
I miss it. Every time they Hollywood nowadays attempts to
do like an erotic thriller, it just it just doesn't
feel the same.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, it feels lazy or or they just get
to the sex too soon. That's like, no, you gotta
like make us work for it, you know. Oh yeah,
that's funny. He was in Jade. Then we have Jay Moore.
What what a role for Jay Moore? He was, he
was on the newer side. He wasn't yet you know
what he was going to become. You know, he ended
up doing a lot of TV. But how funny we meant?

(39:52):
I mentioned Pay It Forward, that movie that came out
right around the same time he had a role in that.
He was in Go the year prior, which I loved.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's what That's where I remember him from
Go and uh to two hundred Cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
With two hundred cigarettes. I was going to bring that
up to that had also come out the year prior.
What fun bonkers and also what fun big casts for
him to be a part of, you know at that time.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yes, I love Uh, it's sacred for me to watch
that movie. I'll always watch it on New Year's.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
On Year's Eve. Onto two hundred Cigarettes, of course. Yeah,
it's so fun. It's kind of like stupid and doesn't
really go anywhere, and it's not really about anything, but
it's so fun that way. It actually would make a
really great play. I'm surprised it didn't, you know, or
maybe it started out as a play because I could
just see like these vignettes, you know, with different characters,
so cute.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
What Martha Linton's character, Oh so.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Good and I love her green dress, right, like, oh,
she's so good. And young Christina Ricci but so he
was a noose and and then also playing by Heart
and Jane Austen's Mafia, which was a fun spoof movie
with Christina Applegates.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Do you remember that one? Totally forgot it?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes, he was like the young kind of like leading man,
and that that was probably one of his first things.
So yes, I remember that was a silly, you know,
a little bit less popular spoof at that time. But
so those are our three leads. We could go on
and on about more cast members and more familiar faces,
but I'll leave it there. But so just to kind
of really quick before we talk about favorite scenes, favorite lines,

(41:22):
because god, some of these lines, right, like the fuck
fast line. But I just wanted to mention it's interesting
because this movie, you know, like we were saying, it
was not meant to be a TV movie. Of course,
it was meant to be theatrical and apparently was released
in theaters in Europe, you know where. It was actually
pretty successful in the UK, but because of the rating
system and because of also some behind the scenes drama

(41:45):
with some companies it ended up having a tough time.
It went to the nineteen ninety nine can Film Market
and was sold, but then you know, plans changed.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
But I mean you met Have you met anyone online
that got the chance to watch the movie in theaters?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Good question, Good question, Carlos, I don't think so. Have
you have you talked to anyone abroad that maybe watched
it in theaters? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Because I imagined that all those people that got to
watch and watch the uncut version?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, right, yeah, I think so, which is sadly lost. Yes,
and you have the Blu ray. So from what I
could tell when I was reading, I think who've released
that scream Factory? Yes? And so they say apparently like
we tried to get the license for the uncut theatrical
version what was intended, but none of the none of
the companies, the production companies, none of them have it.

(42:33):
And the director even said like I don't have it,
I only have you know. So, Yeah, it's frustrating because
it's a bummer and much like another movie that I
love but is really wacky, Cursed Wes Craven's Cursed earlier
this year. I would I do not want to die
unless I see the Cursed like earlier cut. You know,

(42:54):
I don't even want to say original cut because they
didn't even finish it. But just I want to see
the footage with star you know. So there's sometimes these
horror movies that it's like, wait, you know, what do
you mean you can't find it or you don't have it,
Like show me that other footage.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, I want to see I want to see the
footage with many more with.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh, of course with Whisked, right with Heather Langingcamp. Apparently
she had like a cameo that she shot or something, right, Yeah,
I know that that movie. There needs to be a
movie about the making of Cursed. I do you know,
talk about a horror movie, right.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
A documentary Shutter to invest on?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh good idea Shutter would be all over that. You're right,
that's what their parents hid in the past. Nobody has
seen or heard of her for over twenty five years.
Do you know anything that a woman named Laura Lee Sherman?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Why is harding the president?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I think the first thing that comes to mind, because
that's that's when I saw the I think the first
time that I saw like the TV spot was a
briny Murphy having her, I would say, well, for my
for myself, I think it's an iconic little Chas scene.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I love it, agreed.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I just I just love how fast she's running and
the killers. Well, I think that's one of the few
moments where I actually find the killer in the movie
to be menacing, because g he is running as hell.
They even tripped over. Oh yeah, and I learned I

(44:25):
was watching it with the audio commentary. In a lot
of those scenes, well spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Oh we're gonna spoil everything, don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I know in some of those scenes it was actually
a woman playing the role of Laura Lee Sherman.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh that's interesting, I wondered, because sometimes like the shots
of like Laura Lee's will just call her hands and nails.
I'm like, is that a manner? That's smart? I like
that because it really keeps us on our toes, because
I had forgotten the movie really really at the start,
after Jesse Bradford and his girlfriend get murdered in the car,

(44:58):
which that always freaked me out. The parked car with
the killer in it, that always scared me. I remember
telling my friends, like, don't walk near parked cars because
Laura Lee Sherman's gonna come out.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
That the second that's the second scene that stands out
for me as well.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well, yes, of course, but I had forgotten. They really
make you suspicious of Jody's mom because Mom comes home
seemingly right after the first you know, opening kill.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And can be can be Clark?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yes? Is that her name?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's her? That's the actress's name.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
What I I made a note of it because every
time that I watched the movie, I don't know, I
just egg.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yes, oh, I totally egg. Something's up with those parents,
you know. And I mean we we find out, of course,
but both of them and the way they are with
with Jody, with their daughter, especially dad, especially the officer,
Like when when he's that scene where he's like teaching
her how to defend herself and then they fall on
top of each other and they have this moment. I'm like,

(45:58):
you know, so I kind of I kind of love that,
Like sex and sexuality is all throughout this movie, as
it should be, right, I mean it makes sense, but
what are they trying to say? They're like what? And
then the way Mom always like gives this extra long
look at her daughter. So I do kind of love
that they make Mom immediately a suspect. You know this

(46:21):
this woman, but we know, of course she.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Always gives she always gives Jody a peck in her lips.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yes, they kiss on the lips. You're right, Yes, it's
like it's so weird. And also because Britney Murphy is
and I say this with love, Brittany Murphy was kind
of weird, you know she was. She was an odd actress.
She was like always kind of like a little like
jumpie or something.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So like you just even her interview, Oh my god,
she she comes up like, uh, like one of them
that I was watching, I was thinking, was she just
crying in her dressing room or she just she's just high?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I completely agree because I found that too, And I'm like,
why is she talking this way?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like, because apparently the productive for this boy was a
little intense.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I heard right really fast and they what they went
over budget and over time kind of right off the bat.
So I had heard and maybe they say it in
the audio commentary that you were listening to. I read
that some of these takes, some of these shots that
we see in the movie, it was a one take
thing because they literally did not have enough time or money.
And I say this with love. You can kind of tell.

(47:31):
Sometimes I'm like, oh, okay, it's not that anything is bad,
but it just feels so kind of new, do you
know what I mean? Like that they didn't really have
much time to take a couple takes and like flesh
it out. But I think it kind of makes the
movie unique that way, that it has this sort of raw,
sort of nervous energy that it's like, Okay, let's do it.
Oh we got it, Okay, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Do you know if it definitely feels that way.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, I kind of. I'm cool with it though. I
think it's okay.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
But going by anyway, the dad going back to the
dad and also makes me laugh. And there's like two
or three moments where the camera is focusing on Brendany
Murphy and she's like, oh, daddy.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yes, what's up with all these daddies? She says it
like at least three times I wrote it down to
my house, right, Oh dady, it's so weird. Carlos, it's
so weird. And we never really get closely with that
because of course dad, you know dies, I'm.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Like, girl, I get it. I get it, but yeah,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That's the thing. It's like, okay, maybe was was Jeffrey
was director Jeffrey Wright, maybe queer, And it's like, okay, girl,
I understand, I feel you, But what movie are we
making here? What's the what's the subtext here? What's going
on under under some layers? Right?

Speaker 1 (48:46):
But early enough, I correct me if I'm wrong. But
both Michael Bean and Candy clogged to parents. They don't
they don't have a lot of things together. Maybe right
quick Wand.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I think it's maybe one and I can't even remember exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Maybe it's a police station or at.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The police station. I think you're right, it's the police station.
I believe when mom might pick her up. I think
I forget now. Oh and that just reminded me Carlos
speaking again of how like some of these moments are
like line by line from Scream. You mentioned that epic
chase scene, and I'm so glad you did, because the
speed at how they're running and that intensity so good. Right,

(49:26):
But they fall into like a trash can, much like
how Sydney slides into a trash can in the bathroom
at school. Right at the police station, her friend, her
female friend. I forget the girl's name, but she's kind
of like a little oddball. She comes to pick Jody
up and I'm like, okay, Tatum, this is so Tatum.
All right, let's go home, you know. And you know,

(49:50):
here's the thing I wrote in my notes. This movie
is and it works for me. It's fine. I'm not
hating on it at all. This movie is basically Scream
meets Nightmare on Elm Street meets Psycho meets Dressed to Kill?
Did you ever see Dressed to Kill? Brian to Palma?
Oh so good. I know it's I know it's problematic,
but you know, and I want to ask you in
a second, do you find anything in this movie problematic

(50:12):
with the killer and gender and all that? But real quick? Yeah,
so we get some pretty blatant like scream nods and
that's okay, right. Nightmare on Elm Street is this is
like taken right from it, a drunk mom telling her
daughter what really happened and the parents have a secret.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I'm like, okay, this is so nicid.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
What was her name? Marge?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Marge? She is so Marge Thompson, Oh my god, exactly right,
Like like it is truly It's like the writer Ken
Selton just was like, I'm just gonna like copy this
exact scene and just change some names, right because Mom
tells Jody all about Laura Lee Sherman and what what
these popular boys did to her, including twist dad, right,
which is a great twist, right.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
And then of course then we have Psycho and Dressed
to Kill. I kind of figured those kind of combined
into spoiler alert. We're jumping around, but the killer is
a man in drag. It's a man, you know, dressed
as a woman. So and I know, you know, in
twenty twenty five people find Psycho. Maybe a little less
with Psycho, but Psycho and Dressed to Kill they're problematic

(51:20):
with their twists. Do you find this movie problematic at
all that it's a man dressed as a woman?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Some people say it might be transphobic? I personally don't
really think it is.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But what do you think not in this case, given
that he's basically just honoring his mother and taking in
by getting revenge on what happened to her twenty seven
years ago. So now that you bring it up, I've
never personally thought about anything in regards to him being

(51:50):
a cross dresser to be problematic. Yeah, that's just my
that's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, I'm glad to hear it because as I don't know,
as a queer person, I'm not really offended by these movies,
because this is not a statement for all people, do
you know what I mean? It's just these are stories,
And I mean, who doesn't love? If you love mystery
and thriller and horror, who doesn't love Like you think

(52:16):
it's a woman, you think it's all this time we're thinking, like,
what's going on with this seemingly, you know, female person,
But then it's a man, and it's just I don't know.
I love that whole physical change of Oh whoa, I
was so wrong, you know what I mean? So I
think it's kind of cool. But yeah, it's very much
a nod to Psycho because Norman Bates is in a

(52:38):
way honoring his mom and dressing as her, And here
is mister Marleston dressing up as his mom. Oh my gosh,
did you ever suspect him? Okay, good question. I'm right
there with you, Carlos. This is so much fun. I'm
having such a blast. Okay, So I kind of suspected him,
just because you know, all the characters are great, but

(53:00):
there weren't really a lot of suspects. Would you agree,
it's not really like you know, it's not some of
these side student characters, like they just you just kind
of knew in your bones, like it's not that right.
You were thinking it could be parents, it could be teacher,
it could be the principal, like you know, the it
could be boyfriend, Gabriel Man her boyfriend, you know, which
we do have that fun shot of his shoes which

(53:22):
we don't know whose shoes they are, which is a
spooky shot. You know, it's filmed very like those darker
scenes are spooky, right, so when we see shoes, it
is like, oh, okay, right, but those suspects is pretty people.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
If you blink, you miss in moment totally.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Oh yeah, it's very fast. It's very fast. Yeah, with
a cigarette, I think, or something right, right, But so
I did kind of have an inkling it could be him,
but I didn't know, you know, the backstory. I didn't know,
Like it was a surprise to me that he is
her son. I wasn't surprised necessarily that it's him and

(54:00):
that it's him and drag and he's getting revenge because
he for whatever reason. But then it's like, oh crap,
he's the son of Laura Lee and Jody's dad. Like that.
That's a good twist and how funny because that then
ties it back to Scream, specifically Scream three, because you know, yes,
Scott Foley as the killer, he is Sydney's half brother,

(54:21):
so mister Marlston is Jody's half brother. So and it's
so funny because this movie came out the same year
as Scream three but shot before it. So I bet
you these filmmakers probably like, god, damn it, you know
what I mean? Uh, but yeah, what did you think?
Were you surprised at all by the reveal and the
motive and all that.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I was only surprised by the motives, for sure, but
because I feel like early on in the movie, when
because we do hear Laura Lee Sherman talk a couple
of times.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yes, yes, we did that voice, you're right.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
But it wasn't until in that chase scene with Brittany
Murphy that he goes to stab her in in her
thought he says that again, oh yes, and the boys
immediately it was like, oh, that's definitely J Moore.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's funny because the really one of
the creepiest scenes, and there are definitely a few scenes
that are I mean, this movie is scary, I think, yeah,
especially knowing that it, you know, didn't have as much
space to really get bloody and scary as other theatrical films.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I love when Laura Lee knocks on the second victim's door,
that girl and you hear, like you said, you hear
that kind of older woman voice, right, And I kind
of love how it's so yeah, it's it's yes, it's
like it sounds like an old woman who's like been
smoking too much and maybe her voice is a little gone.
You know. That scene is so spooky, and I realized

(55:50):
it's so spooky to me because it's so normal, Like
it we don't have the killer like making a noise
and then wandering around, and she's just going right up
to the door like a normal person, and we are
the student doesn't know, but we know it's her and
she's just standing there. It's so normal And for me

(56:10):
that's actually pretty cool, you know what.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I mean, It's creepy because if I was in that
in that girl's shoes. I probably would have opened the
door too, because it's because she didn't sell menacing at all.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Totally. She sounds kind of like this sweet, kind of random,
like are you okay like kind of lady, and then yep,
before you know it, she opens that door, hand grabs,
slamming on the door, and it's so funny. Carlos, I
made a Scream rip off when I was ten with
friends called Draculae. It was basically the story of Dracula,
but with all the characters of Scream. I had a recorder,

(56:44):
a cop I mean, it was a rip off, but
one of my characters she died by a door slamming
on her and squeezing her to death. So it's so
funny that then this I'm like, oh my god, I
can think of my friend. But I love that scene.
That's a really creepy scene. Out of all the death
what's your favorite death, I'm remembering all of them right now,
we think.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
No, I feel like the wand that stands out for
me is later on in the movie when lor Le
Sherman like throws the axe at the at the car.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Oh amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
It's a good jump scare, and it's also one of
the I think one of the few scenes where we
actually see the death scene.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Where we actually see like impact. You're right, yeah, yeah,
and I think it's definitely like CGI or whatever. But
it's so it's so good. I agree. I forgot about
that one. And also it's it's one of the few
darkly funny moments, you know what I mean, because it's
a great kill. But it's like, because I think, what
does he say? Hold on? I want to say his
line exactly. The cop says, this is my post. I

(57:44):
can't just split brilliant and then the blood on Brittany. Right, Yes, good,
good choice. That's a great kill, I'd say. Besides that one,
I'm thinking of all the deaths. Like I said, I
love that girl at the door, and how isn't her
body then found like hanging from like the chandelier or something.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I want to see a behind's disease of how Jay
Moore was climbing on the ladder.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yes, you're so right, I know, I know. I'd love
to see why the parents Absolutely, you are so right, exactly, Carlos.
I know they come home and the mom screams and
I'm like okay again, like they're just pulling stuff right,
casey baby, Right. So that's a really good one. And gosh,

(58:32):
I'm trying to think i'd say another one I love.
We don't see it, but we see the reveal. And
this was actually spoiled for me in Fangoria magazine, And
I remember once I saw the movie, I was like, wait,
why did they like? And I feel like it was
on the cover at least a small picture of it.
They really the principle.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I Loveoria, but they spoil so many movies, right.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I kind of stopped. I mean, I don't really read
it now, just because it's kind of pricey, although I
always think about maybe signing up for it, but yeah,
I get it. It's you want to show the good
stuff in a magazine like that. But I'm like, so
I'll never forget. They spoiled the principal's death where it
says on his head, not virgin, which.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I think that was spoiled for me too, even even
prior to me watching the movie, because I remember before
the movie even came out, I would go into the
actual to the official website, and that's how I found
out about that movie, and I watched the trailer all pixelated.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Oh yes, quick Time. Oh my god, Carlos.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Exact quick Time, A real player.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I think, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
And I remember an disicipating this movie, that new slasher
movie that's coming to theaters.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I know, is your Mom Home?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
No have Been Killed? A vision play affect.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Virgins and so. And because it went to TV, you
probably know this too, it unintentionally became and apparently remains
to this day, the most expensive television film ever made
because the budget was fourteen million? Right do they mention
that at all on the audio commentary? I think, remember, Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
We're just ridiculous, because I feel like that movie even today,
they could probably do it for much cheaper, even though
I do that movie for two million.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh yeah, I totally agree. I'm like, what was fourteen million?
Because again I say this with love, it doesn't really
look that expensive. I mean, like, I'm a low budget filmmaker.
I feel like some of my movies kind of look
like that. So what was fourteen million? There were no,
I mean unless Britney Murphy took a few million herself.
I mean, I don't think Michael Bean could really charge

(01:00:52):
like a million. Maybe, I mean, I don't know, maybe
maybe the stars took it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, the other stars they were not faming. Yeah, you know,
breaks out Jesse Bradford, which I wish he would have
been the boyfriends that I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I agree all that would have been so good because
he had just done Bring It On only a couple
months prior that was out and Treate It On. Oh,
I mean, and he swim fan, I see it behind you.
He is so dang hot. Oh my god, what a
beautiful man and also a really good actor because rewatching
Bring It On this year, I forgot, Like he is
so charming, like he makes it look easy. So he

(01:01:27):
is really good. I would love to see him do more,
you know, because he's kind of quiet lately. But at
least yeah, I mean, we sort of had a famous
person at the time be in the opening, you know,
so that was kind of cool. He was our Drew
Barrymore with his with his girlfriend, you know. But and yeah,
gabriel Man and Brittany, like they're scene in bed where
she's like bite it harder, like she's so like that, right,

(01:01:50):
Oh my god, what did you think of that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Because while I look for by notes, I don't know.
Later on a few years later, they played a couple again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh did they really?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah? In the it's called the Ramen The Ramen Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
The Ramen Girl. I remember seeing the poster hearing about it.
I never saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Okay, and breaks up with her in that movie too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
No way, Oh my god. They're like, hey, such such
few people saw Cherry Falls. Let's just like recreate some
of the same story elements with us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Oh yeah, I wrote down. Jody visus Kenny and experiments
with food spatish bite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yes, And then she's like, yes, isn't she slapping him?
I think right with her foot? She is, because that's
when she's so disappointed with her dad, especially with her parents, right,
and she's kind of just and she already she and them,
what's what's the boyfriends name? Kenny?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Right? Kenny?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, yeah, Kenny. She and Kenny are so like hot
and cold, so like he's already kind of like left her,
but she's just so down in the dumps that now
she's like, you know what, Yeah, I'm gonna be this
weird little freak. And it is such a weird scene.
Oh my god. And that's when they get the iconic line,
the line she says, you know what, I'm gonna say.
She says, Kenny, I had no idea that your poor

(01:03:09):
mind was so diseased.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Right, Yes, I haven't, I haven't written down right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Oh my gosh. And that's when Kenny Stort becomes kind
of more wholesome and like the we start to see
the good guy come out, you know, and and I
feel like, does he live? I can't remember I just
watched it, or does he die at the end?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
No, he actually does live.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
He lives, He gets stah, he gets hurt. Because that's
when she says it's too Kenny, and that like gives
her the ammo to throw mister Marlston off the off
the balcony, right, so good what and oh my god,
speaking of great lines, Carlos, Oh my god, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Say it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
What do you think say it? Say it, plastic mess, Yes,
you are reading my mind. It is so See. That's
when there are these great moments of dark, silly comedy,
right when she runs in, Oh and there are and
all these bodies which you probably know this as well.
Apparently like you know, they the writer had really envisioned

(01:04:10):
just to see of white blankets of white sheets, and
like you know, sex under it and apparently it was
gonna be more blood on the white sheet, which I
think would be interesting, but the director, because he was
leaning so into the actual skin, it's more. But that
also brings me to it made me think of Nightmare
on Elmstreak too, the gay one, because that's when Freddy's

(01:04:31):
going crazy at the pool party and slashing everyone, you
know what I mean, So that I think of that
when I see that scene. But yeah, I just love
she runs in. It's mister Marlston run and then class
dismissed and it's a blood bath. The fuck fest turns
into a blood bath. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, Like I always wonder how many you know? In
that moment. For a while I was actually counting the
body count, but when we got to there, I was like, okay,
yeah I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
You're right, yeah, what did you get up? Do you
remember what the number was before.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
The at that scene made it to seven?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Wow? Yeah, it has a good body count, I have
to say, because then yeah, then at least I don't
know five people die, it's or maybe more in that
whole Yeah, and then we get that really fun ending
with like the few remaining students that are there sitting
on the steps outside covered in mister Marleston's blood, Right,
That's why I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Like, like, I like the one with his hands still.
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's so silly. Oh my god. Yeah, it's
really such a fun movie. Do you feel like you
like it now just as much you did back then?
Or has it like I probably like it more low.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, but you know a lot of this comes from
my delusional cell because of nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, exactly, the nostalgia goggles. I say that too. Sometimes
a movie that really is just fine, but because because
there's like a lot of crap out there now, and
because as we get older and life's getting harder, it's like,
oh man, this movie's good because it's we attach our
ourselves to it, you know what I mean? So I
hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I would say brings good memories absolutely right from that era.
And I feel like from that post screen era, Cherry
Foll got the short end of the stick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I agree. I feel like that movie could have easily
been released in theaters that same Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Oh totally totally.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
There was no There was no other big horror film
the week prior. Lost Souls flopped.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Right right, m hm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
They absolutely released Sherry Falls that Friday. It would have
been a mild hit maybe, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, absolutely, Oh I think it would have because yeah,
what came out the week before was like mostly yeah,
like dramas and stuff. I feel like, so yeah, right.
I feel like if this movie had come out twenty
years later, in twenty twenty, you know, at the height
of COVID, when movies were out in theaters and online,
you know, oh, that would have been it would have
been a hit, you know. But yeah, it's sort of

(01:07:01):
but you have to remember back then, twenty five years ago,
movie stars still weren't really doing TV. That's still kind
of a newer thing. You know, how Nicole King is
doing all these TV shows. She wouldn't have done that
twenty five years ago. She was a movie star only, right,
So I think back then, we as a community and
also just the industry in general, was sort of like, oh, well,
now it's a TV movie, so you know, but who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Now more people would watch it on TV than in
the theater, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
And it's typical. I don't know if you if you
research that or not. Is it streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Anywhere I looked? I the way I saw it because
I actually don't own it, and now I feel like
I really should get the Blu Ray. Are there a
lot of like cool special features on it too? Are
there like some fun things on the Blu Ray?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah? Because I mean the the the audio commentary alone
has a lot of information, use less information until I'm
here doing the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It had behind the scene footage. And the one thing
I haven't checked out yet is that it actually features
the original script.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Oh, the script is on the DVD. Yeah, ooh, that's
cool much anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
But for that, you know how computers nowadays don't really
come to the blue layer of DVD ROM, so I
have had the opportunity to actually read it myself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, I have found the script online. That's fine. Oh,
I love that I did find the script online. I
haven't read it, so I don't know if it's and
it also might just be a really good transcript. I'm
not sure if it's like legit, because you know, on
some of these script sites it's like you can tell
it's like an actual like scanned copy or is this
just like a you know, that's interesting, but no, now

(01:08:40):
I want to see it. But I had signed up
for Filo to see it because it is currently at
least as of today. I'm not sure if it will
be like that when this episode's out, but it Filo
had it in good quality and maybe like one or
two other things, but it's not streaming anywhere without like
a subscription other than if you have Filo, which I don't.
I just signed out for a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Fare go buy it because last week I checked screen
Factory was having a big sale and it sold out,
so it's already considered out of print there. Amazon still
had a couple still had some copies left for under
ten dollars. I almost bought another copy, just probably so much.

(01:09:20):
I'm afraid that's gonna break or something. Because after you
brought this movie up when you asked me to join
the podcast, I had already seen it twice this year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Oh my god, oh my god, you are kidding me.
So you have seen this movie three times this year?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Wow, you are a big Cherry Falls fan. I am
so glad you are here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
This is why it's the feel good slasher for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
And you would you say, do you watch it like
at least once every year?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah? For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Wow, good for you. I hadn't watched it in a while.
I don't know how many years, but at least ten.
Like so, so it was. I mean it's a movie
that I mean, once you see it, it is stuck
in your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
So I remembered a lot of it, but there were
little details that I'd forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
See this is why I knew. I was like on Instagram,
I'm thinking of different people and I'm like, wait a minute,
slash your junkie. I'm sure he's seen this movie. And
I think I had found a post that you had
posted maybe earlier this year of the Blue Red and
I'm like, oh, hey, Carlos, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Want to come join me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Right? Oh? I love it? Wow? So you are a
Cherry Falls fan, Well, hey, you know what, this movie
needs more fans. So I hope this fun discussion. Even
though I know we gave everything away. I hope if
you're listening and you haven't seen this, or you haven't
seen it in a while, go check it out. It's
such a blast, right, I mean, how many movies are
you going to see? A pop your Cherry party? Right?
And all these weird things. It's so weird. You can

(01:10:40):
tell that a non American was directing this because it's
just so it's a little odd, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
You know. Yeah, it's just even though people will compare
it to movies like Scream, it still stands out. I mean,
just just with the subject of having to lose your
virgin in order.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Oh yeah, the rush to that. And also I want
to say, I forgot to mention a really great moment,
great acting, and it's it's one of the few, you know,
stand out like tender moments. I love when her dad
awkwardly asks her like, hey, like, how far have you
and Kenny gone? You know, and it's so awkward she
doesn't want to say, but also it's awkward because they
have this weird closeness yes, and she's and I think

(01:11:24):
that's one of the times where she says, oh, daddy,
it's like, oh okay, but you know, and he's he's
kind of relieved that she admits she's still a virgin,
but then is terrified because of what's going on. Suddenly
socided to take themselves off the danger species list and
have sex. I need to ask you a personal question
about how far are you going? Face wise? Can you

(01:11:46):
go further?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
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of Cherry Falls, Virginia. But first here is a cameo

(01:12:32):
from my friend and fellow fan of this movie, Rudy Valdez.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Hey, Rudy, Hey Mark, it's Rudy. I wanted to just
give my thoughts on Cherry Falls. It's a movie that
I have enjoyed over the years, and it's always just
been something that I will throw on for fun at
least once a year, namely for Britty Murphy. She is
just so good in the movie, And I can go

(01:12:57):
back to when I first heard about this film, I
was a it for to come to theaters. I was
a little bummed that it didn't and it went straight
to TV. But eventually I know, I was able to
get the DVD and the Blu Ray, and that way
I can just have it in my collection and enjoy
it whenever I wanted to. And so I just hope
that more people give this film a chance, because it

(01:13:18):
came out, you know, following the whole scream uh you
know phenomenon, and I just feel like if more people
had seen it, they wouldn't enjoy it as well, you know,
enjoy the story, enjoy the cast and the fun one
liners and the fun kills. So yeah, it's it's just
a fun slasher film, definitely a product of its time,

(01:13:39):
and so I just hope that more people give it
a chance, especially for that one scene where she Brittany
Murphy and her boyfriend think April Man are on the
bed and she takes off his shoe and starts like
cuddling his foot, and I was like, that foot, after
being walking around in all day, probably wouldn't be that cuddleworthy.

(01:14:01):
But then she sticks her her big toe in his
mouth and makes him suck it, and then she starts
to smack in his head with her other foot. I
was cracking up and it's so awkward, but I'm glad
that they're playing up on that foot fetish that some
people have. So, you know, Cherry Falls was definitely ahead
of its time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I never really thought about it literally until today. What
do you make of So the killer is mister Marlston,
a young teacher. He's I'm sure overhears what the students say.
But how does he know they're virgins? Have you thought
about that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Oh? That that always crossed my mind. Yeah, I'm here,
I'm here, Like does he just climb down their vaginas?
I'm like, okay, I kill her? Okay, she's a virgi
of good? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah? Like how does he know? And he must? Yeah,
it's gotta be right. It's got to be a lot
of eavesdropping.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Tell me, Sherman, tell me that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Was twenty five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
She goes all the way, damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I don't know. Maybe this is done, but I kind
of wish we saw him stalking the victims, maybe even
out of costume, you know, maybe as he's telling his motive.
We just see flashes of him, like you know, with
the couple in the beginning, elsewhere like at the mall,
or I don't know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Because, for example, the one scene that I can think
of right now that he could have been sure that
she was a virgin was a net that one girl
that starts to beat up her boyfriend. Yes, yeah, it's
a compliment when a guy says you can suck good dick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Oh my god, so crude. Yes, he breaks that fight up, right, So, yeah,
that's something he could easily know because she's upset that
these sex rumors are going around, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
So I think, how does he even know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah? And also it's interesting one other thing I kind
of never thought about until recently. So he kills two
of the four men who rape Laurey, right, the real
Lareley back in the seventies, I think it is right
like twenty five or you know, twenty five years earlier, right,
So he kills the principal. And then he does kill

(01:16:23):
our Michael, being our dad, which is sad. I do
love that kill because you don't know he might he
might make it out, and so I do. I think
that's like the Randy kill if this was screamed too,
like that's the character that like, oh, I am always
kind of surprised, like, oh yeah, he gets it, you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Know, especially the biggest actor the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Right, He had the longest career, you know, so so
yet and to kill him so close to the end,
it was like, oh, dang, like this mister Marleston is
not fucking around, right. So I do love that whole scene.
And it is funny when Britney tries to bite his hand. God,
he's like, I'm like, okay, girl, you were you were right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
My recent rewatch I had I had to rewind that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yes, you can hear her teeth biting, like like, I
love I love the intensity, but I don't know if
you want to put his hand in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Girl, Oh I think I know. I think I know
where you're going. Who are the other two? Gods?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Who are the other two?

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Thank you? I do feel like something's missing there, you know.
And it's a pretty short movie that they could have.
I don't know even if the deaths were off screen,
and you know, because we don't, I don't think we
meet them, right, They're not the other guys. Although some
of the other guys in the police station kind of
look around, seemingly knowing the secret. Right, Yeah, but we

(01:17:43):
never meet these other two, and I'm like, I wonder,
I just wonder, like, were they hoping if it was successful,
maybe there's a sequel and more students die. But also
we're going after the other two. That's interesting, maybe, you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Know, So Laura Lee Sherman, for all we know she's a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
She is alive, because I do love that scene when
when he goes to her house, which is what like
he says, it's like two hours away in West Virginia,
I believe, and we see we see the hair, and
she's there in the house, which is very Michael Myers
of her to like kind of step into the frame
and watch so and I love that. I love it.
And it's so creepy, the crib in the in the
basement where she would, you know, take out her anger

(01:18:22):
on her baby born out of rape, you know, Oh
my god, terrible, you know. Yeah, that's really dark.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
So my theory is that, yeah, she definitely is still alive,
and I feel like that was definitely her. At the
very end of the movie, when Joey sees her across
the street.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Oh yes, and I wonder like, yeah, is she mad
at Jody? Is she is she sort of looking at
you know, because there's it ends in a way where
it's like I could see the real Laura Lee being relieved,
being angry, being grateful, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
From her point of view, I would be pissed because
Britnany Murphy, I mean, Jody, she's she still kept the
seat grid the whole, the whole rape situation a secret
because when the police was We're asking her at the
end of the movie, like did you know of any
reason why mister Marlston was going after you? And she
just pretends that she doesn't know. Both her and her mom.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yes exactly, they do cover it up. Yeah, for all
we know Larey was there. Yes, so maybe Laura Lee
is standing there to be like, hey girl, I know
you know, and I'm mad that you're not talking about it. Yeah.
It's a great ending, and then of course Falls run
Red with Cherry Falls.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I mean, it's a great movie to even watch right now.
In the Fall it has that oh yeah, it has
that feeling. And in today's age, with all these requels,
this could have had a requel if Britney Murphy was
still alive. Oh, I would have been praying for that
requel to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Yeah, Oh man, it's such a bummer. And I've talked
about Brittany now. This is the third Britney movie I've
talked about this year, between Clueless and Girl Interrupted that
all had big anniversaries and I miss her. Man, she
was good. She was really fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Right she she was. She's like the only like celebrity
wise death that really hit me. I remember, I remember
the day. I remember the day. I was on my
way to work and a friend, one of my best friends,
he called me. I was at that time, I was
looking for a parking spot if I could go to work.
I turned, I turned back and I went home. Oh

(01:20:31):
I was in tediars cry and I had to and
I called out sick of work because that's how much
it hurt me that death.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Oh yeah, I remember. I was at my friend CC's
apartment in New York when I lived in New York City.
She's been on the show a bunch and we got
like the news alert, like we saw it on our
phones and we were like, no way, Like that was
sad because she was still so young. And yeah, it
was always so entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And to this day her death it's just like it's
still a mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
It's still feels like why has not why is someone
not like confirmed anything yet? It's all still speculative, you know.
But also there's no real solution, I know. Yeah, Instead
we just get like lifetime movies or Lifetime specials every
now and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, but you know, I'm just glad that she got
to be the lead Final Girl and all Slasher because
rumor has it she did audition for one of the Screams.
I guess maybe the original Scream, although she might have
been too young. Maybe Scream two. I had heard that
she her name has popped up in some of those, uh, like,
I guess the first two Scream films.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Something for sure. I feel like a lot of those
people from the from the Clue, from Clueless alone, they
must have been of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Course, because you know Alicia was in the mix, you know,
so yeah, of course, right, It's all it's all the
same thing on this is my.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Pol Just.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Did she want your first time to be something beautiful,
something romantic? One thing? I also just want to say
that was funny and also made me think of another movie,
The difference between the girls and the boys talking about
like the sex party. The girls are on the bleachers
and I'm like, this is so grease. It made me
think of Summer Love It, like where it's the girl's

(01:22:16):
version and then the guy's version. I just thought that was,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Just especially the conversation that the girls were having. Oh yeah,
there's even one girl that brings up or one just like,
we don't have time for that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
She's like, oh, unless it's masturbation, there's no time for that.
And these guys don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Oh, it's it's good. It's really a fun it's a
fun moment to break up all the seriousness because that's
around the time when Jody's like learning what really happened
in the past, And yeah, it's fun. And I wrote
down the line that the boys say, holy him and Batman,
they're killing Berth oh Man to say these words, Oh
my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
I was also thinking during the doing the fun fest,
was there any other gay people at that school?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I know, right, someone had to be gay, but they
were like and that would have actually been really interesting
if you see a queer person maybe saying to a
friend like I don't know I'm going to have sex
with and they say, like, just pick someone, it doesn't matter,
like you know what I mean, Like that would have
been interesting and actually like desperate and kind of sad,
you know, to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Just have There was one other character that gave me
gay gay by the bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Guy with glasses. Oh my god, yes exactly, uh huh,
And he's sort of nervous like around people, and like, hey,
so yeah he could have been let's you know what,
let's just decide he's a queer character, right, and because
you know at the end he's hugging the one stoner
guy when they're covering blood. So there you go. Well
we'll make we'll make him queer real quick. I wanted
to say now that I'm looking at the exact line

(01:23:50):
going back real quick to that like kind of more
serious moment between dad and daughter about asking her if
she's a virgin, going back to and I wrote ek,
I wrote ink. She says, Daddy, are you disappointed that
I'm still a virgin?

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
That i'd be that whole that whole thing is just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
I feel like, you know, like I think you said earlier,
there's a there's a there's something tender about it because
I'm a concerned that the father has toward his daughter.
But at the same time, it's just it's just a
conversation that I don't want to have with my dad.
In the middle of the I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Like, you up to you, Yes, you're right. Yes, he's
like totally interrupting her sleep, which is also like invasive,
and yeah, it's touching. But then, because this movie is
so weird, it feels almost like partners in a relationship
being like did you have sex with someone else and
they're like no, It's like okay, Like oh it's weird.
It's so weird, so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I don't know. Like I said before, a lot of
the interactions that Jody has with her parents, are they
all maybe feel achy?

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Yes, totally the parents are. The parents are weird, and
I like that though. I like that Off the bat
we know that all the adults are strange. Even the
female cop. We didn't really talk about her. She's actually
she's married to Jason Bateman of real life. That actress
she is. She is, Yeah, but even she's kind of
weird and they made her a suspect too. I got

(01:25:13):
some shady vibes from her as well, right, so, yes,
But I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Think at some point in the movie I felt like
she was the only adult that I can trust. Ye,
Deputy Mina.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yes, Deputy Mina. After a while, then it's like she's
actually like on it and like thinking about it. You know. Yeah,
she ends up being kind of like someone we can trust.
But for a while, she's got those like good, like
shady eyes. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
There's actually a great interview with her and in the
Blu ray with the actress.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
It was good to get her input in the production
of the film. But yeah, she's she's one of the
as far as the adults. She was the only character
that I was rooting for, and I was happy that
she basically saved the day. At the end of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, for a second, I mean, it looks like she's
gonna die because all the bodies pile up in the house,
which that also made me think of night roun Elm
Street too, because like there's a lot of bodies I
think on like the fence or something. But yeah, all
the kids are trying to get out of the small
staircase and they're like crushing her and she's bleeding out
of her mouth. I'm like, oh, is that how she goes?
But she does make it out and she is she

(01:26:20):
the one that shoots mister Marlston dead. Yeah, she dies. Wow,
she goes, yes, yes, blows his hand off.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
There's a quick scene prior to that when she gets
like the she gets the memo that there's a massacre
happening at the house, and there's like a close up
scene of her just like receiving all that information. It's
basically it's up to her to go save the teenagers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Absolutely. Yeah, Oh yeah, she's good. She's a good character
for sure. That's a fun rule.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
She's up there with Deputy Dewey with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Yeah, she's the female Deputy Dewey a little less dumb.
She's kind of I would say she's she's smarter than
a lot of these folks. Yes, she's on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
I think it's from the think. I feel like from
the start of the movie she doesn't really trust the sheriff.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yes, totally. All right. So my last question before I
let you go, my friend, now you mentioned Urban Legend
is your favorite of this era. I'm going to give
you five movies. The one we're talking about and the
four in your in your background above you, we have
order in order of release. We have Scream. I know
what you did Last Summer, Urban Legend, Cherry Falls, and Valentine.

(01:27:33):
Out of those five, can you give me your order
from best to least best?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Well, maybe my favorite instead of best.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Okay, if you were, if you if it was a
live or death situation, Valentine. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Really, Valentine is your number one much?

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Oh my god, if next year you want to invite
me back to the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Oh my god, Carlos, Oh my god, you're right, it's
next year already. Okay, all right, I'm gonna let you know. Yes,
that's so funny. I mean, what a hot cast. I
get it. But wow, Okay that's number.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
One, Okay, Urban second, Urban Legend. Okay, yeah, Scream.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I know we did Last Summer and Cherry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
And Cherry Falls. But knowing that you have seen Cherry
Falls three times this year, that means those five movies
are really great. They mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
They mean a lot to me, even even I even
printed this out because I lost the poster. But I
want to have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
A wall look at that if you're watching.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Where I can display all the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Oh, I love it. Look at that Cherry poster.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Actually the and I'm I'm trying to make an edit
of the original poster because I cannot find a good
quality of it, meaningywhere I tried.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
To find one for for its anniversary and I post
all my stories and yeah you can, and it's so
like grainy and dark.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
I mean, by any chance you need it in order
to promote this episode, I can send it to you
because I made an edit that I'm going to go
and print it out for myself. But and I often
forget about this, but I mean you can put it
into that list. Halloween H two Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yes, you're right, You're right now. Okay, where would you
if you had a top six with H two O?
Where would that fit in your.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
I think I think it would. I think I love
H two O more than Cherry Falls.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Okay, so that would be five and Cherry Falls a six.
I get it, that makes sense. I think I like
H two O more than Cherry Falls as well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
I just get I just get I keep pushing Cherry fault.
I feel bad, but it's just I feel like I
at the end of the day, I really love them equally.
These are movies that I constantly rewatch. Oh yeah, which
is something about movies nowadays. I don't think a lot
of movies now have that replay value. Yeah, I agree,
that's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
I totally agree. Oh yeah, it's it's especially of this air.
Uh the nineties and like early two thousands, just things
were really working well. Everything looked pretty good, good actors,
cute faces, and like just good storytelling, do you know
what I mean? It was a great A lot of
these movies were great at paying homage to what came
before them, but doing fresh things. And now I just

(01:30:19):
feel like we're just paying homage and the fresh stuff
isn't really that fresh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
I'm just I'm just honestly just happy that I had
this opportunity. You basically pop my sherry when it comes
to podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, was this your Is this your first time being
a podcast guest? Yes, Oh my gosh, we popped your
cherry falls And what a perfect way to celebrate Halloween.
So thank you Carlos for coming and joining me and
talking about this fun movie on a fun day. Thanks
everyone for listening to or watching this episode, And thank
you so much to my guest and my new friend,

(01:30:56):
Carlos for all of your horror loving thoughts so much
fun on make sure you follow Carlos on Instagram at
slasher Junkie. That's at Slasher Underscore Junkie to see all
of the great scary things he's posting. And while you're
at it, if you don't mind, make sure you're following
me too. Please at release date rewind to see more
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