June 22, 2025 • 15 mins
Nicole Borgi's voice wasn't always this strong. In today's Rise from the Ashes episode, she reveals how domestic violence survivors and women afraid to be seen are finding their power through avatar technology.
Her story hits hard. COVID lockdowns destroyed her Vegas security career. Her relationship with a law enforcement partner shattered. Family rifts cost her connection with her daughter. Rock bottom became her starting point.
But Nicole didn't disappear. She built something revolutionary—a virtual healing space where avatars let trauma survivors practice presence without fear. No cameras. No judgment. Just safe space to rebuild.
Her raw truth will shake you: You don't need to be visible to be powerful. But you do need to start somewhere.
This isn't your typical trauma recovery story. It's about innovation, resilience, and how one woman turned her darkest moments into light for others.
Perfect for women ready to heal, find their voice, or discover how technology can create psychological safety in unexpected ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode
of Rise.
I'm your host, baz Porter, andI'm joined today by a remarkable
soul bit of a legend where shegoes.
Her name is Nicola.
I'm terrible with the names andnames.
Nicole, please tell everybodywho you are, what you do and you
know who you serve.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you.
It's Nicole Borgi and it's Iknow who I am, so I'm OK.
However you say my name, Iwon't have an identity crisis, I
promise, but thank you forhaving me here.
It's an honor to be here and Iserve the community of speakers
and coaches and healers to getseen and get heard so they can
grab a mic, get on the stage andshare their goods and wares,
(00:44):
and I also serve withConfronting Domestic Violence.
As the chairwoman, I servedomestic violence victims and
survivors and I also share withthem how to utilize their voice
and their stage to develop theirworth and who they are to
success, for financial freedomand sharing things like social
(01:06):
media platforms where they canbe seen and heard at a simple
cause and that is throughfor-a-cause marketing to share
with them those types ofbusinesses.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So what you do is very valuable in the world of
mental health, personal healthand also allowing people the
space and safety to actuallyhave that voice, because there's
a lot of people go through thebest domestic violence, other
challenges in life that don'thave that platform, are still
(01:38):
affected by that trauma.
Why do you do it?
What was this spark in going?
Going back a few years ago, afew months?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
whatever it was what encouraged you to do and allow
to do what you're doing todayand allow that platform for
others as an event strategist,realized part of it was as a
coach or as a consultant and Istarted to work as a solopreneur
and entrepreneur that I neededto grab a mic, I needed to talk
(02:08):
about my services, I needed tonetwork and develop a community.
So for the business portion ofit, I had to get on a stage.
And what a better way to do it.
But get on your own stage anddevelop a strategy and a
structure, and I like to use theacronym KISS.
I like to keep it simple.
Keep it simple.
Stupid for everybody to saylet's make this easy.
I don't like hard.
(02:29):
People don't sell if they'reconfused.
So why do it?
On the other half of it, whenwe talk about summits for caring
summits and workshops andhealers and coaches really
having to have a safe spacewhere they can be seen and heard
, how do they do that?
Into the virtual reality spaceor on Zoom or on a LinkedIn Live
(02:51):
or YouTube Live?
And in order to do that, theyneed to have a voice and that's
part of it.
So what could I do for thecommunity?
And this served two platforms.
I was working in a smallbusiness and sharing with them
how to onboard into the virtualreality space and to utilize
Zoom in networking and whenwe're doing trainings and calls.
We needed to use a platformthat could be global and we
(03:14):
could talk to each other, and soin doing that and teaching them
that I thought shoot, this issuch an easy platform to share
onboarding with people thataren't ready to come on the
camera.
We have avatars now.
How cool is that?
We don't have to worry aboutour hair, we don't have to worry
about our clothes, and if we'rehaving a moment, especially for
people who are a little bitscared or worried to get on this
(03:37):
stage and they haven't foundtheir bearings, maybe they're no
longer in that fear space whenthey're finding their bearings.
It's easier to mess up whenyou're looking at an avatar,
because it's funny when you'rewatching it move back and forth,
and so now you can have alittle fun.
Now you can have a littlefantasy, if you like to, and
play around without costlyequipment, without having to
(03:58):
show up when you're not ready toshow out and shine, and it's
just a little step here andthere where we can create a soft
lockdown space so nobody getsdocked and it's a little place
to play.
What do you really want to beseen as, and when you don't have
your voice or your worth,you're not quite ready to be
seen just yet.
(04:18):
There's always an excuse whenyou get on camera and you beat
yourself up.
If you have an avatar, you canmake the avatar, whoever,
whatever.
You can come in as a panda or akitty, cat, whatever you want
to be.
You can be that, and then it'seasier to have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
When you talk about avatars.
I like it because there's manydifferent advancements in
artificial intelligence in videoplatforms now.
Going back a few years ago,there wasn't this.
How did you get started in thisrole and how did you overcome
(04:54):
some of the challenges in thecoaching world back in the day?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
A lot of it from a teaching background or a field
training officer coming to sharewith people.
It's not moving past that placewhere it's not all fear, porn
and crazy.
It is more the how and sounderstanding the how and
working forward.
When I was going to networkingevents, I was so used to in law
(05:19):
enforcement and securitythrowing people out I didn't
know how to let them in and allof a sudden I'm thrown and go to
a networking, get to know andtrust people.
What do we talk about?
I'm just, I've got a 16 yearold sense of humor.
I don't want to crack up onstuff or hey it things
differently in that role, andwhen it's time to allow people
(05:42):
to come in, I'm a straightshooter.
I want to get down to businessso I can understand.
So I got to break it all downand get down to the nitty gritty
to really understand what'sgoing on.
Everybody else wants to.
You know it's got to be sunnyand warm and it's that false
positivity.
Right, people aren't reallythat way.
(06:04):
They're passionate, they'reloving beings, they can be angry
, they can be happy.
How do I do this in the placeand where do I fit?
And all of a sudden, now I haveto adapt to a different place
and it was just so weird going.
It wasn't scary, it was justweird.
What do I do here?
And so, developing that, I washaving a hard time in
conversation talking to people.
(06:25):
What did they like?
So I started coming out from 20plus years of that into working
with energy and healing andReiki and my thought was let's
just do this quickly.
I studied Marcel Vogel.
I met him back in the day, theVogel crystal.
He was an IBM scientist.
He was part and parcel of it,very integral in getting the
(06:48):
crystal into the phone, our LCDscreens, that we have it all the
time we don't think about itnow.
So when you take science andtheory and you put this all
together, things can be quickand simple.
When you get into it.
It shouldn't be hard anddifficult.
Back to keeping it simple.
So when I got into coaching, itwas always long and drawn out.
(07:10):
Nobody was getting healed andin the last few years it seems
like everybody has to be broken.
I don't know why.
I don't think everybody'sbroken and I don't think I want
to keep them there and I don'twant to be a partner in pain.
So I feel that I was more doingnot necessarily harm, but I was
just doing a disservice and Ididn't feel appropriate with it.
(07:31):
It didn't resonate with it andI really needed to change my
messaging and who I was becauseI worked better behind the
scenes.
But I'm going to clean it up,I'm going to get quick and we're
going to GSD and get over this.
There's no reason for all that.
There's a time and a place.
But if it's all the time, it'svery emotionally draining.
(07:57):
And then you deal with peoplelike I did, whether I was on the
street or in security.
It can be very violent andheated when people don't
understand their own emotionsand that just all blows up
50,000, 100,000, a millionpeople in one spot and someone's
having an emotional timebecause they have not developed
as an adult or a human yet.
They can be really messy.
(08:17):
So how do I turn that around?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But what you've done here, nicole, which is what I
love, because you've changed itfrom a narrative, like you said
earlier, a base and a part ofthe challenge that you saw, and
you've recognized that withinyourself and gone okay.
Where do I perform the best?
What do I really love doing?
It isn't on the forefront.
(08:40):
I did 20 years in securitynetworking and saw a lot of
stuff in the world, good and badbut you've taken that expertise
and gone okay.
Now that I've lived throughthat pathway, how can I apply
this in a chaotic world in acivilian form?
And you've managed to come fromthe chaos of corporate that
(09:06):
security side of things andlevel it out into something that
you really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Absolutely, and I love how you look at that and
dissect it.
It is really what did I enjoybefore and what do I enjoy now?
And how does that develop?
How does that mirror each other?
So I always I read people'sbodies.
I read their body language,their voice, their tonality and
their energy and it's the sameas a healer.
So my human lie detector goesoff and I'm like wait a second,
(09:35):
this isn't going to work.
It starts beep, but it's thefan that.
What I love right now is thatwe have this capability to bring
this forward with thistechnology and use it for good,
like Star Trek and the holodeck,and bring energy workers into
this space and engage aone-on-one with it.
And I wouldn't be what wewouldn't be talking without it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, 100%.
So, before we go into the sortof what you're doing now, what
was the sparing moment for youto go?
I don't need to be a part of aproblem now.
What was that situation and thetransition for you like?
Because there was obviously arock bottom moment for you that
(10:19):
was like oh, I can't do this now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Transitioning from the security side of things is
very hands-on in a casino, whichpeople, a lot of people, don't
realize.
But the casinos went corporate.
So, going from that and therealization of hey, covid hit,
oops, it all fell apart, andthen so did my relationships and
being stuck at home with peoplethat you don't see for long
periods of time.
(10:45):
My ex was law enforcement andsecurity and a manager.
We saw each other at the gym orwe'd see each other for dinner
and then all of a sudden we'dhave conversations and we work
together.
But when it was like real time,when you're stuck in that
situation where you feel like Ineed to get out and for me I
would have I had no problemgoing out, going camping, go to
(11:07):
the mountain.
I was in Vegas.
I was ready to go to MountCharleston.
He wanted to hide in the houseand I'm like you can't be the
hero under your bed and itdoesn't work that way.
So that was a blow up.
Vegas shut down, that wasanother blow up.
The streets were just.
It was like a ghost town.
It was like the zombieapocalypse had actually come to
(11:27):
life and it was really abreakdown of people that didn't
want to support each otheranymore.
They didn't want that.
And then my daughter was sick.
So it was like and I'm goingthrough all this at the time
where I started getting backinto healing I started it as a
young age as a psychic.
We used to go ghostbustinghouses with my mom.
Only there was no protection.
(11:49):
So that was just something wouldalways come home.
I needed more structure andmore understanding.
So, anyway, fast forward backto 2020, it was just a huge
cluster.
It was nasty.
It was just mentally unwell.
I experienced it.
I experienced a lot of healthissues as a child.
So 2020 brought back thatanother scare of what I was
(12:12):
going through, on a humanexperience, with people around
me trying to force me to dothings and put drugs and stuff
into my body.
That I was like, no, whathappened?
I'm not going to do this.
I know who I am.
I'm not going to do this.
So it caused a lot of riff inthe family and I lost my
daughter over it.
It was just.
It's just these last five years.
(12:33):
It was a huge mess and verytorturous and tormenting.
A huge mess and very torturousand tormenting, and then just
wanting to walk away and just goto the woods and just hide out
in the mountains somewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And, yeah, thank you.
And that's why I love havingthese conversations with people
like you, because they're reallives and everybody gets a
version of that person.
That isn't shown a lot of thetime, but it makes up who you
are.
You can have as much ai as youlike, but people like to know
(13:08):
who they're working with and theperson behind it.
What you're speaking into now.
Millions of people experiencedinto now.
Millions of people experiencedI've done the stats on this and
research, because that's what Ido for over 46 percent of the
American population registereddepressed or anxiety and I think
(13:31):
it was 43 percent.
Divorce rates went up duringCOVID and shortly afterwards
because of something you'respeaking into now.
So, to meet somebody who Ididn't experience, it thankfully
but to actually hear fromsomeone who did and went through
that journey.
Other people can relate to this, but there's light at the end
(13:55):
of the tunnel and that's whatwe're going to go into next in
part two.
So if you're listening to thisand my subscribers, the
listeners, thank you very much.
Please share and subscribe.
Leave a little review if youwish.
If you don't like it, pleasedon't leave one.
But if you do, please leaveyour thoughts From myself and
Nicole.
I will see you in the nextepisode and I hope you have an
(14:19):
amazing day.
See you soon.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode
of Rise.
I'm your host, baz Porter, andI'm joined today by a remarkable
soul bit of a legend where shegoes.
Her name is Nicola.
I'm terrible with the names andnames.
Nicole, please tell everybodywho you are, what you do and you
know who you serve.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you.
It's Nicole Borgi and it's Iknow who I am, so I'm OK.
However you say my name, Iwon't have an identity crisis, I
promise, but thank you forhaving me here.
It's an honor to be here and Iserve the community of speakers
and coaches and healers to getseen and get heard so they can
grab a mic, get on the stage andshare their goods and wares,
(00:44):
and I also serve withConfronting Domestic Violence.
As the chairwoman, I servedomestic violence victims and
survivors and I also share withthem how to utilize their voice
and their stage to develop theirworth and who they are to
success, for financial freedomand sharing things like social
(01:06):
media platforms where they canbe seen and heard at a simple
cause and that is throughfor-a-cause marketing to share
with them those types ofbusinesses.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So what you do is very valuable in the world of
mental health, personal healthand also allowing people the
space and safety to actuallyhave that voice, because there's
a lot of people go through thebest domestic violence, other
challenges in life that don'thave that platform, are still
(01:38):
affected by that trauma.
Why do you do it?
What was this spark in going?
Going back a few years ago, afew months?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
whatever it was what encouraged you to do and allow
to do what you're doing todayand allow that platform for
others as an event strategist,realized part of it was as a
coach or as a consultant and Istarted to work as a solopreneur
and entrepreneur that I neededto grab a mic, I needed to talk
(02:08):
about my services, I needed tonetwork and develop a community.
So for the business portion ofit, I had to get on a stage.
And what a better way to do it.
But get on your own stage anddevelop a strategy and a
structure, and I like to use theacronym KISS.
I like to keep it simple.
Keep it simple.
Stupid for everybody to saylet's make this easy.
I don't like hard.
(02:29):
People don't sell if they'reconfused.
So why do it?
On the other half of it, whenwe talk about summits for caring
summits and workshops andhealers and coaches really
having to have a safe spacewhere they can be seen and heard
, how do they do that?
Into the virtual reality spaceor on Zoom or on a LinkedIn Live
(02:51):
or YouTube Live?
And in order to do that, theyneed to have a voice and that's
part of it.
So what could I do for thecommunity?
And this served two platforms.
I was working in a smallbusiness and sharing with them
how to onboard into the virtualreality space and to utilize
Zoom in networking and whenwe're doing trainings and calls.
We needed to use a platformthat could be global and we
(03:14):
could talk to each other, and soin doing that and teaching them
that I thought shoot, this issuch an easy platform to share
onboarding with people thataren't ready to come on the
camera.
We have avatars now.
How cool is that?
We don't have to worry aboutour hair, we don't have to worry
about our clothes, and if we'rehaving a moment, especially for
people who are a little bitscared or worried to get on this
(03:37):
stage and they haven't foundtheir bearings, maybe they're no
longer in that fear space whenthey're finding their bearings.
It's easier to mess up whenyou're looking at an avatar,
because it's funny when you'rewatching it move back and forth,
and so now you can have alittle fun.
Now you can have a littlefantasy, if you like to, and
play around without costlyequipment, without having to
(03:58):
show up when you're not ready toshow out and shine, and it's
just a little step here andthere where we can create a soft
lockdown space so nobody getsdocked and it's a little place
to play.
What do you really want to beseen as, and when you don't have
your voice or your worth,you're not quite ready to be
seen just yet.
(04:18):
There's always an excuse whenyou get on camera and you beat
yourself up.
If you have an avatar, you canmake the avatar, whoever,
whatever.
You can come in as a panda or akitty, cat, whatever you want
to be.
You can be that, and then it'seasier to have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
When you talk about avatars.
I like it because there's manydifferent advancements in
artificial intelligence in videoplatforms now.
Going back a few years ago,there wasn't this.
How did you get started in thisrole and how did you overcome
(04:54):
some of the challenges in thecoaching world back in the day?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
A lot of it from a teaching background or a field
training officer coming to sharewith people.
It's not moving past that placewhere it's not all fear, porn
and crazy.
It is more the how and sounderstanding the how and
working forward.
When I was going to networkingevents, I was so used to in law
(05:19):
enforcement and securitythrowing people out I didn't
know how to let them in and allof a sudden I'm thrown and go to
a networking, get to know andtrust people.
What do we talk about?
I'm just, I've got a 16 yearold sense of humor.
I don't want to crack up onstuff or hey it things
differently in that role, andwhen it's time to allow people
(05:42):
to come in, I'm a straightshooter.
I want to get down to businessso I can understand.
So I got to break it all downand get down to the nitty gritty
to really understand what'sgoing on.
Everybody else wants to.
You know it's got to be sunnyand warm and it's that false
positivity.
Right, people aren't reallythat way.
(06:04):
They're passionate, they'reloving beings, they can be angry
, they can be happy.
How do I do this in the placeand where do I fit?
And all of a sudden, now I haveto adapt to a different place
and it was just so weird going.
It wasn't scary, it was justweird.
What do I do here?
And so, developing that, I washaving a hard time in
conversation talking to people.
(06:25):
What did they like?
So I started coming out from 20plus years of that into working
with energy and healing andReiki and my thought was let's
just do this quickly.
I studied Marcel Vogel.
I met him back in the day, theVogel crystal.
He was an IBM scientist.
He was part and parcel of it,very integral in getting the
(06:48):
crystal into the phone, our LCDscreens, that we have it all the
time we don't think about itnow.
So when you take science andtheory and you put this all
together, things can be quickand simple.
When you get into it.
It shouldn't be hard anddifficult.
Back to keeping it simple.
So when I got into coaching, itwas always long and drawn out.
(07:10):
Nobody was getting healed andin the last few years it seems
like everybody has to be broken.
I don't know why.
I don't think everybody'sbroken and I don't think I want
to keep them there and I don'twant to be a partner in pain.
So I feel that I was more doingnot necessarily harm, but I was
just doing a disservice and Ididn't feel appropriate with it.
(07:31):
It didn't resonate with it andI really needed to change my
messaging and who I was becauseI worked better behind the
scenes.
But I'm going to clean it up,I'm going to get quick and we're
going to GSD and get over this.
There's no reason for all that.
There's a time and a place.
But if it's all the time, it'svery emotionally draining.
(07:57):
And then you deal with peoplelike I did, whether I was on the
street or in security.
It can be very violent andheated when people don't
understand their own emotionsand that just all blows up
50,000, 100,000, a millionpeople in one spot and someone's
having an emotional timebecause they have not developed
as an adult or a human yet.
They can be really messy.
(08:17):
So how do I turn that around?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But what you've done here, nicole, which is what I
love, because you've changed itfrom a narrative, like you said
earlier, a base and a part ofthe challenge that you saw, and
you've recognized that withinyourself and gone okay.
Where do I perform the best?
What do I really love doing?
It isn't on the forefront.
(08:40):
I did 20 years in securitynetworking and saw a lot of
stuff in the world, good and badbut you've taken that expertise
and gone okay.
Now that I've lived throughthat pathway, how can I apply
this in a chaotic world in acivilian form?
And you've managed to come fromthe chaos of corporate that
(09:06):
security side of things andlevel it out into something that
you really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Absolutely, and I love how you look at that and
dissect it.
It is really what did I enjoybefore and what do I enjoy now?
And how does that develop?
How does that mirror each other?
So I always I read people'sbodies.
I read their body language,their voice, their tonality and
their energy and it's the sameas a healer.
So my human lie detector goesoff and I'm like wait a second,
(09:35):
this isn't going to work.
It starts beep, but it's thefan that.
What I love right now is thatwe have this capability to bring
this forward with thistechnology and use it for good,
like Star Trek and the holodeck,and bring energy workers into
this space and engage aone-on-one with it.
And I wouldn't be what wewouldn't be talking without it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, 100%.
So, before we go into the sortof what you're doing now, what
was the sparing moment for youto go?
I don't need to be a part of aproblem now.
What was that situation and thetransition for you like?
Because there was obviously arock bottom moment for you that
(10:19):
was like oh, I can't do this now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Transitioning from the security side of things is
very hands-on in a casino, whichpeople, a lot of people, don't
realize.
But the casinos went corporate.
So, going from that and therealization of hey, covid hit,
oops, it all fell apart, andthen so did my relationships and
being stuck at home with peoplethat you don't see for long
periods of time.
(10:45):
My ex was law enforcement andsecurity and a manager.
We saw each other at the gym orwe'd see each other for dinner
and then all of a sudden we'dhave conversations and we work
together.
But when it was like real time,when you're stuck in that
situation where you feel like Ineed to get out and for me I
would have I had no problemgoing out, going camping, go to
(11:07):
the mountain.
I was in Vegas.
I was ready to go to MountCharleston.
He wanted to hide in the houseand I'm like you can't be the
hero under your bed and itdoesn't work that way.
So that was a blow up.
Vegas shut down, that wasanother blow up.
The streets were just.
It was like a ghost town.
It was like the zombieapocalypse had actually come to
(11:27):
life and it was really abreakdown of people that didn't
want to support each otheranymore.
They didn't want that.
And then my daughter was sick.
So it was like and I'm goingthrough all this at the time
where I started getting backinto healing I started it as a
young age as a psychic.
We used to go ghostbustinghouses with my mom.
Only there was no protection.
(11:49):
So that was just something wouldalways come home.
I needed more structure andmore understanding.
So, anyway, fast forward backto 2020, it was just a huge
cluster.
It was nasty.
It was just mentally unwell.
I experienced it.
I experienced a lot of healthissues as a child.
So 2020 brought back thatanother scare of what I was
(12:12):
going through, on a humanexperience, with people around
me trying to force me to dothings and put drugs and stuff
into my body.
That I was like, no, whathappened?
I'm not going to do this.
I know who I am.
I'm not going to do this.
So it caused a lot of riff inthe family and I lost my
daughter over it.
It was just.
It's just these last five years.
(12:33):
It was a huge mess and verytorturous and tormenting.
A huge mess and very torturousand tormenting, and then just
wanting to walk away and just goto the woods and just hide out
in the mountains somewhere.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And, yeah, thank you.
And that's why I love havingthese conversations with people
like you, because they're reallives and everybody gets a
version of that person.
That isn't shown a lot of thetime, but it makes up who you
are.
You can have as much ai as youlike, but people like to know
(13:08):
who they're working with and theperson behind it.
What you're speaking into now.
Millions of people experiencedinto now.
Millions of people experiencedI've done the stats on this and
research, because that's what Ido for over 46 percent of the
American population registereddepressed or anxiety and I think
(13:31):
it was 43 percent.
Divorce rates went up duringCOVID and shortly afterwards
because of something you'respeaking into now.
So, to meet somebody who Ididn't experience, it thankfully
but to actually hear fromsomeone who did and went through
that journey.
Other people can relate to this, but there's light at the end
(13:55):
of the tunnel and that's whatwe're going to go into next in
part two.
So if you're listening to thisand my subscribers, the
listeners, thank you very much.
Please share and subscribe.
Leave a little review if youwish.
If you don't like it, pleasedon't leave one.
But if you do, please leaveyour thoughts From myself and
Nicole.
I will see you in the nextepisode and I hope you have an
(14:19):
amazing day.
See you soon.
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