October 29, 2025 • 44 mins
I’ve known Holly since the boxing gym days when she was belting pads like an absolute weapon. Now she’s the founder of Wable, a social app built for neurodivergent humans to find love, friends, work and real support. We talk couch-to-global-startup, capital raises, late nights pitching investors from the car, imposter noise, and the grit it takes to keep moving when you’re wrecked. She shares the crap bits too… the sexism, the self-worth rollercoaster, and why empathy and obsession might be a founder’s real edge. We also go there on domestic violence and how speaking up can shift shame into strength. Holly’s humble, sharp, a downright legend, and building something that actually changes lives. BIG love for this one! Go Hol x
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
She said, it's now never I got fighting in my blood.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
How are you mate? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
This is so cool because we've known each other for
so long and I've listened to so many epps of
your podcast, and now we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It feels like five minutes ago I was holding the
boxing mits and you were. I know, lying punch is
left right and send it like an absolute weapon. And
now now here you are, Bluddy Forbes super star. My god,
oh my god, Like I don't even know how to
describe you. How would you even just if you weren't
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you and you hopped outside of being you, and then
this person that you saw was doing what you do?
How would you describe them?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh that's a good question, crazy person, know Ah, how
would I describe me? You know, I don't think I'm
overly special. Maybe I would maybe just a hard worker.
I think just a hard worker.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, all right, we'll tell us, tell us,
tell us about wabble. Let's get straight into that.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, of course, I know it's been quite the right well.
I launched Wable or wable is a social networking app
built specifically for neurodivergent people to find dates, friends, jobs,
and support in one place.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So I kind of like.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
To describe it as if it's like Bumble and Seek
had a baby, but for your divergent people, it's like
maybe a good way to describe it. Which I launched.
We'll launch officially last year in Australia New Zealand, and
then just a month ago launched in the US and UK.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But this has been in the work.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Since locked out of twenty twenty, so it's been a
long time coming for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All Right, how was the idea born? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So well, actually probably was kind of around the time
that maybe I was still boxing with you, but living
in Port Melbourne on like lockdown, I don't know number six,
how many of the times will we lock down?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Lot a lot?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Most lockdown city in the world in Melbourne, So it
was just like insane. But yeah, came up with the
idea awable from my couch watching the first series of
Love on the Spectrum, which I don't know if you've watched,
but was just awesome. Now they've gone on to do
seasons in the US that have gone crazy and.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Just sort of loved all over the world.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I came across the first season and really loved
this guy on the show, Michael Theo, who is from
Wollongong and who is autistic, and the show followed his
sort of quest for love despite the challenges he faces.
And so I was single and using dating apps at
the time, also finding it difficult on kind of the
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modern connection apps sort of out there, and I thought,
for this segment of the population, which by the way,
is really that niche, a niche population of the community,
but not really. It's twenty percent of the global population,
and you're a divergent might be even closer to like
forty if we account for all the people that are
probably not diagnosed and maybe going on that journey. But yeah,
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I just loved, loved the show. I particularly loved Michael.
So I had this idea from my couch and I
just DMed Michael on Instagram and said, you know, what
do you think about this idea? And he was like,
oh my god, if you do this, make sure you
involve me. So yeah, fast forward to today, it's kind
of come full circle. Michael's our ambassador and we found
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ourselves on the Today Show last year going how the
hell did we end up here?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But it really was just an idea on my cout
So how wild? Oh how wild? Indeed?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, what have you learned that you never expected to learn? Like?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
How did what are you from? It?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
From an idea on the couch in a lockdown to
this global sensation that is now like had millions in
funding and he's just rolling out like some sort of
steam train.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
What are you in the face.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I've learned, Oh god, I've learned a lot of things.
I think over uchingly. I've learned how resilient it can
be because getting something started up and then yeah, also
going on to raise capital takes quite a lot of resilience.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So maybe above all, I've learned.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What I can endure from a challenge perspective, which is
both humbling and I suppose inspiring for yourself as you
keep going. So yeah, it's it's pretty cool if I
think for anyone, if you're willing to learn and have
a real crack at something that why can't you?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Why can't you do something?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So I think, yeah, But and also learning that you
don't have to you don't have to have done this
before I know everything to get something started.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I think a lot of people might have that misconception
that you have to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Have all this business knowledge and you have to have
all this money to get started, and you certainly don't.
I mean it helps, but you don't have to be
an expert to actually get started.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So yeah, yeah, where did.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You turn and where and at what point? I imagine
there were times where you go, this could be a
big thing. How do you even make this a big thing?
Where do you start? And how much will this cost?
And how do I find that money? And where do
I put the money?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
First?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like, what was the logistics in the beginning of finding
your footing in that process.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well, the beginning, I had all the ideas, but I
suppose it's funny. I remember actually googling like how do
I find investors? Like I'm really starting from from.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Not a lot of knowledge at all.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
So for me, it was about getting the ideas I
had in my head on paper because I thought that
if I could communicate it well enough, then I'd be
able to convince people to get on board. And I think,
if you've met me, I'm pretty straight to the point.
I think I am good at getting I think I'm
pretty good at storytelling and hopefully getting people on board
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with my ideas. So I think I knew that if
I had people, you know, my ideas on paper, and
I approached the right people, that I could get somewhere.
So the first step for me was building out a
prototype and sort of getting everything out of my head
on paper of when I wanted this app to look
and feel like. And I already had, you know, Michael
committed to say like, if you launched this LBO Ambassador,
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I've had long talks with his mum, with psychologists, support
care workers, and everyone in and around this community was like,
oh my god, we're waiting for something like this, So
I was convinced it was more about me actually trying
to get that on paper and communicate it well enough
to get some money to actually launch it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Because I ran out of money. I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I was like eighty percent of the way through the
prototype and I was like, oh my god, I need
to find investors.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And so yeah, then I went out looking for private investors.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And the good part about that was I was able
to get people involved with skills that I didn't have,
which is key.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I think there's lots of different ways you could raise.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Money, but for me, private equity was great because I
could get other people involved.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
To help me out.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
So my first couple of investors are now on the board.
Both of them connected to neurodivergence from a personal perspective
of people and their family, so it was already a
meaningful partnership. But you know, they've built and scaled other
businesses before, so all of a sudden, I had a
bunch of skills around me and some money and it
was able to get launched. So I raised three hundred
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grand to launch the app, which sounds like a lot,
but it moves pretty quickly. But that enabled me to
stop working on wable in the middle of the night
and go full time, which was game changer because I
was pretty exhausted by the time we launched the app,
because I'd been doing that for two and a half years,
and so yeah, it enabled me to be able to
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go to bed like before two am for a little while,
which was good, and to launch the app, and then
we launched in Australia New Zealand. And then I just
completed our second capital raise together and raised one point
five million, which was harder in the sense it's a
bigger check, but easier in the sense we had more
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to show for what we've done in the.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
First twelve months. So yeah, now we just have to
spend that money wisely and.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Scale wable overseas, so with the US being a really
big target for us. So yeah, it started very small,
but now it's moved pretty quickly in eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
What was what was your full time job? What was
work outside of the wable that was keeping your float?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, so I did I manage a couple of jobs.
I was working in PR for a little while. My
most recent job before quitting and going full time on
Wayble was PR and Comms at Flemington, So I come
from a marketing background, but before that I was on
radio with SCN, so kind of that sports media marketing background.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So yeah, entrepreneurship is sort of happened by AX and.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, who anyone says you can't change careers later in
your life, you definitely can if you want to. It's
just yet quite a leading curve.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Girl, you look twelve.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Come on, you know, well that's nice because I'm a
couple of weeks off twenty seven, so that's really sweet.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
How many hours outside of those holding down those jobs
and doing that type of work which PSS seems like
such a great type of work to give to leverage off?
But also what were the hours required up until?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
How many hours a week you working on this app? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, so my usual day for a little while, they
looked like I'd start work at like eight thirty nine
am in the office and then work till five five
point thirty and.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Then come home, eat and I'd probably start work.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
My developers were online from about eight pm, so sometimes
from eat dinner from like eight pm till one two
am on their hours most nights for yeah, about two years.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, man, Yeah, rough fun.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And also because then when I'm raising money, I'm doing
that on Australian hours because all my investors at the
moment are Australian Australia base. So most of the time
I was pitching in my car and my laptop at
my day job, hiding away, so no one knew what
I was doing. So yeah, my lunch breaks often were
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for a good six months on goals with investors from
my car in the car park and then going back
into the office. So yeah, yeah, it was a bit
stealthy there for a little while.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, what's the reality of being a female in this space,
launching something at this capacity and looking for investors, because
I feel like that we're kind of at a bit
of a disadvantage when it comes to that. So what
were the what was the reality of the struggles that
you personally felt in that space.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, I totally, I definitely felt it. It's it's like
hard enough to raise money, and probably here in Australia,
but yeah, certainly definitely harder if you're a female. We
only get a small percentage of like venture capital each year.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The numbers are pretty scary and they're not really improving.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So and I was raising money at a time that
was kind of uncertain for Australia as well. Like when
I started, it was the cost of living was getting higher,
no one knew what was happening in America, and there
was a whole bunch of things at play that kind
of weren't in our favor.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And then put being.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
A female and tech on top of that is just
like the cherry on top of a very difficult situation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But there are.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
As much as there are people that are sort of
only investing in male founded businesses that there are, there
is support out there for female founders as well. I mean,
it's definitely harder. Took me about eleven months to raise
the money of solid pitching most days. But that being said,
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my first two investors were male who were on the
board and are some of the most supportive board members
and investors you'd ever come across, and they certainly believed
in me from day dott and I think the fact
me being a female in tech wasn't even really part
of the equation for them. It was just like we
believe in Holly, she has a great idea and she
can do it. So as much as we hear about
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the negative side of things, and yes, that's certainly true,
and it's very difficult. There are some really good people
out there who will back female founders. But that being said, like,
I had one pitch meeting where I am without naming names,
walked into a meeting in Sydney and.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
This guy has said that, like, love love your business idea.
I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I would probably invest if the CEO was older, but
because are you willing to give up your seat a CEO?
And when I answered that no, he advised that I'd
go and take a CEO course and that maybe he
would change his mind after that. So I remember leaving
that meeting like feeling pretty deflated because I was like, oh,
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people really think that I'm but I've built this enough
that you're interested to chat about it. Yet apparently I'm
not old enough to be CEO. However, I don't think
that would have been asked of me if I was
a twenty six year old male, for example. So yeah,
you get some interesting people, but you kind of got
to take some of it with the grain of salt.
But anyway, I finished my raise and he missed out,
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so I'm looking for him. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What that's a great You make a great point. What
is was it top of mind? How do you build
a team? Because when you're pitching for funding, you're also
letting people into something really special to you that you're building.
How do you create a team when you are, I
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guess desperate for the funding and you're dipping from being
a female, You're dipping from a smaller pool than most
people out there.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
How is that hard? For me?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think a lot of it came down to trust,
And it's hard because you kind of have to have
a lens of not trusting anyone in business, which is
not the easiest thing. But I suppose Craig, one of
my first investors who came on as chair, had a
really personal connection to this and felt passionate about it
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in the way that I do. I mean, he has
a couple of kids on the spectrum, and so this
was not just a of course, it was this is
a great business, and I could see how this could
make money, because otherwise, you know, why spend all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
To get involved. But because there was a personal.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
To what I was building for him, he committed a
lot of time and energy before even getting equity in
the company. So to me, it'd already proven that he
was really keen and in this for the right reason.
So once I had Craig involved and Jamie our second director,
who nephews on the spectrum and who's.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
A lawyer, so that was great cut a bunch of
legal costs too.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But I think because they were in it for the
same reasons as I was, that they wanted to make
a difference as well as be part of a scaling business,
I had it then I had people to lean on,
and so when we're pitching, I had other people to
bounce off of what did you think of this person,
do you think they'd be beneficial or what was your
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sort of feeling, and people that have been in and
around this world for a bit longer it helps having
people to lean on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But yeah, I mean those.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
First few discussions are are are always interesting, and I
think my nature is to be quite trusting. But yeah,
you definitely have to be careful who who you get involved,
because yeah, if you get a good team around you,
it can boost your business, and if you don't have
a good team around you, it can be very detrimental.
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But I suppose I've been I've been really lucky in
that sense. Of getting some really great investors on board
from the from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, any.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Challenges, mistakes, or things that you have already learned that
you would do very different if you did this another
time around. Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, I think at the beginning, I spent a lot
of time not talking to people about what I was
building or sharing what I was building, because I was
worried that someone was going to steal my idea. And
I think if I could turn back time, I wouldn't
have worried about that at all, because ultimately, if you
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have a good enough idea, someone will try and replicate
it and you just kind of have to be faster.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And better than they are.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And I, yeah, but I remember that really like isolating
me in the beginning point of asking everyone to sign
an NDA just to tell them about my idea, and
which is just like kind of crazy now that I
think about it, but it came from a place of
a bit of naivety about how this all works. And Yeah,
if I could turn back time, I wouldn't have lost
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sleep over it, because I think it can be for
a lot of founders. People starting businesses can be quite paralyzing.
And yeah, you've got enough things to.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Worry about without worrying about that.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
So that's probably something I've learned, and if I could
turn back time, would have told myself not to stress
out about so much.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, and how have you grown and changed as a person.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh, definitely become a lot more resilient. I think.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
In the first probably year things I am like, something
I am trying to work on is not placing so
much of my self worth on how the business is going,
and something I'm really not.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Very good at.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So if something is like really challenging and I'm not
feeling like we're at our best, then I feel that
on a personal level, and I find it very hard
to separate those two things. So I can ride the
highs really high and it's great and I'm excited, and
then the lows.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hit me on yeh, hit me differently.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
So I maybe I have become better at that, but
I'm still not probably where I should be if I'm honest.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Something I still definitely struggle with.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
But maybe it has its benefits because it pushes you
to do things when you're exhausted, then go above and beyond.
But yet it's detrimental in the fact that maybe you
don't enjoy the winds as much as you would because
you're just bracing yourself for the for the next thing.
Or I'm hypercritical of what I'm doing, So not that
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answers your question, because I'm still battling with it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's that's so interesting. I've just was thinking how the
experience must be like where people around you, both from
those who knew you before and those who were meeting
you now you're walking into people who now have a
perception of, Oh, this is Holly Fowler. She is a
founder and of wable and it's this huge tech platform.
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It's going gangbuster. She's amazing, And what is that experience like?
Like is that a challenge to go, oh, do people
treat you differently? And do you at times treat you differently?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I think maybe I don't know. If I wouldn't, I
wouldn't even think that people think that of me.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So I just put my face and I'm like, I
don't think she realizes how big this business is.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know.
If yeah, I definitely find that.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'll get like people reach out and I can tell
there's a bit of like a I want to ask
a question stuff like that. But I welcome that because
I got help at the beginning from people that you know,
didn't kind of turn me away and wanted to help.
So but I don't really think about myself in that way.
I think I've still got such a long way to go.
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But I could see from the outset how there's certainly
like the glamorous side of things that people see in
the exciting stuff like oppressed and raising money, But most
of the time it's actually just really hard and not
as exciting as it probably looks for the outside. So
maybe because I have that, maybe because I'm living it,
I don't feel that it's as glamorous as maybe it
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looks on Instagram. But isn't That's everything, isn't it. So
But yeah, that's really sweet. I don't know if i'd
think about myself like that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
That's so funny. Was it for thirty under thirty that
you got what was the fall thing? I can't remember?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, thirty under thirty scraped in with a few
years ago, which was wild.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, I think, yeah, that was that was pretty crazy.
I got an eat.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Like I really shouldn't have checked my phone while I
was driving, but I glanced down and just saw like
congratulations and it said forms and I was like, oh
my god, no way, and pulled over and just was
like what is this?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So yeah, that was really cool and.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, something I didn't think I would ever achieve, so
that that was pretty special for sure. It was one
of those like moments I was like, oh wow, I
can't do this, like this is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So no, yeah, yeah, that was that was awesome. My
all my loved ones were very excited.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, it was a big deal, Like I need to
sit down and make you realize this.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Oh my god, you're too good to be not even
It was super cool. Yeah, it's beautiful and I really
love I really loved speaking to women who were doing
anything in this you know, any thing outstanding in the
space where women are the minority. It's a big tech
companies are definitely it. And I just find it so
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beautiful when women are still down to earth and accessible
and don't even realize, you know, sometimes in order to
get ahead, we have to be aggressive and bullish and
really put on a front and an ego and become
something in order to and make a way. And it's
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and I love it. I just think when people listen
to people like yourself. I had a beautiful Charles Morrison
on the show Who's kicking butt in Australian motorcycle racing
and she's so down to earth and I'm like, for
other young girls that are looking for female role models,
when you can just be a beautiful and yourself and
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down to earth, she just makes it so accessible.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, anyone can. Anyone can do it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And I think, yeah, it's interesting when we're talking about
the capital raising perspective as well as like with women
maybe not raising as much money for their businesses, but
the business is making the most money. You're often female founded,
so we know what we're doing. But yeah, you just
need to be given more opportunities. But yeah, no that's
super cool. I can't Yeah, I can barely ride a bike, so.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, she is a weapon that's everic.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do you think that like what females are great at
is I think you know, really that relationship dynamic and
that sure the values and building it. So if you
can build a great team, then you can essentially hold
that together and nurture that and get the best out
of it. Do you think that's what comes into play
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when when you are building something great, Like why why
are women?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think women not to say that like it's not
found in men. I'm not saying that by any means,
but I think women are inherently quite empathetic, and I
actually think that's a pretty good leadership tool, particularly when
you're having a team around you. But also in my
business it's an impact business. When someone can feel in
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a conversation your empathy and your passion for the cause,
I feel like they're more likely to want to back
you because they can see how much how much passion
And honestly, I think passion and obsession are two things
that I would, if I was investing, would now look
for because I know there's not much I wouldn't do
for wable, and so I would want someone that would
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do anything to kind of grow their business. But I
and I think you find I think you do find
that a lot in women. And maybe that's why you
see a lot of women in impact based businesses because
when I you know, solve some of these challenges. So yeah,
maybe maybe that empathy component is our secret secret source.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Who have you used as mentors or drawn inspiration or
your resources from good one?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Growing up? Definitely my dad.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Dad was shouting out to dad, Yeah, shout out, single
dad with two girls. And I remember that sort of
hard work element just kind of being instilled in us
from a young age and not necessarily being like, oh,
you have to be the best at everything and you
have to get these grades in school.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
There wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Pressure, but it was like, if I'll be really proud
of you if you commit to something and you're really hard,
you're working really hard at whatever you're sort of doing.
So I think that kind of emphasis on hard work
was probably something I learned from a young age. Now
growing up, I've got a really good mentor in our chairman,
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Craig Mason, and he is the type of leader that
he knows that there's so much I don't know, but
I never go into Craig's office and ask him a
question and he thinks it's silly, and he's so open
to bold ideas.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's like me like that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
He dreams big and thinks big, and the sky's the
limit and nothing's off the table, and that's the way
he thinks. So we think quite similarly in that perspective.
But he's also very analytical and quite level headed, which
sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So we balance each other out quite well. And I
find his calmness and his.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Ability to think analytically really interesting, and I think I'm
learning a lot from him.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But he also takes a lot of He's like, holy,
you can do this.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Like you know where he can pick up when I'm
doubting myself on certain things, He's like, holy, you've got this,
Like it's all good, you know. So I think his
ability to read people and to find people's strengths in
his team and is really cool. So I'd like to
be able to work towards being able to have some
of those skills.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Hopefully I'm picking some of them up. But then, if
I think of like.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Someone that I've listened to lots of audio books from
or read books, I always think of, I always go
to Richard Bradson. If you've ever read his book or
listen to his audio books. It's the first one that
I listened to was Losing and Finding My Virginity. Obviously
with virgin he is, he's super interesting, and he did
(28:31):
some really crazy stuff before starting virgin I won't give
it away, but that's probably one of the first sort
of business y kind of books I read and again
like he just thinks so differently. I mean, he's dyslexic,
so is you're at a virgin And I think because
of that, he just thinks in a totally different way
and larger and with he kind of thinks like, this
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is what I'm going to do and then thinks of
all the steps and challenges later he doesn't think he's
all the challenges and hopefully I can get there. I
think he thinks in reverse, and so yeah, I listen
to and consumer as much of his content as I can.
Another one I look to is Melanie Perkins, the founder
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of Canber. Another female and she was She pitched to
hundreds and hundreds of people all up and down Silicon
Valley and was turned away and said no to so
many times. And she's now one of the most successful
female founders in the world and donates percentage of her
profit to the things she believes in now and she
can laugh at everyone that said no to her. They
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will regret that forever. So I always, yeah, I think
she's pretty badass, and I yeah like listening to whatever
she's up to. So many, so many clever people and
so many clever female founders coming out of Australia. I
know the US is a tech scene, but we've got
a fair bit going on here as well.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I love that. Will you naturally someone that and has
it changed? But are you naturally someone that would push
to improve on your weaknesses and fill the gaps or
just push harder on your strengths.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Push harder on my strengths is usually me. Like some
of the things about me that I say I struggle with,
Like I'm quite inherently hard on myself and those sorts
of things. I've sort of always had that, and I
don't know if I'd ever be able to achieve getting
heaps better at that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that's just part of who I am.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So I'd rather focus on the things I'm really good
at and just kind of deal with those other pesky,
annoying things that are just part of who I am,
And whilst they can be frustrating, they push me to
do better but certainly make things hard as well. So
maybe blessing and a curse, but yeah, I definitely more
a person to focus on my strengths.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
By that, what do you want? What's the.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Five years?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And I feel like the pace at which you work
is that is a lifetime, the lifetime of things could
happen in five years, maybe I should say one or two,
Like if all those really great for five years, what
do you see? What do you want, what position do
you want to be in, and what do you want
to be doing?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, well, I'd love I'd love to be growing wable,
maybe growing label to a point where who knows, we
might be the next Unicorn or something something crazy. But
I aside from like the growing Wayble kind of thing
I really want to get, I'm starting up like Waybull
Foundation alongside the app and my goal, and I hope
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that we.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Can take it off within the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
But through that, I'd love to be able to fund
sort of good causes within our community. So I look
at I take inspiration from Melanie's Melanie Perkins Canva model
where they donate profits to all different things. But my
goal is to send an autistic person to college through
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the app and do some cool stuff like that. So yeah,
that's a big goal on the vision board.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But hopefully we can tick that off. I'd like to
think in the next five years.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I love that so much. Why is neurodiversity so important
to you? Is that were there other things that you
were looking at, but this was the opportunity that you
saw a gap in Or have you always had a
passion for that particular space.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, I always had a passion. But I thought when
Love on the spectrum first and that people were talking
about neurodivergence who weren't before, So I thought this is
going to be a moment in time and the start
of a movement.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Absolutely right, because then they went on to do the
US season and now everybody's talking about neurodivergence and we
are writing sort of a wave of awareness and that's
why we're seeing lots of people going into getting diagnosed
later in life and all these things. So I think
the timing for Wable couldn't have been better. But and yeah,
(33:08):
it's just I think I look at it from such
a broad lens of that. I just think human connection
is everything. Everyone wants to feel loved and understood and valued.
And why should one portion of the population be discriminated
against in the workplace or be it less a chance
(33:28):
of finding love and friends just because their brain thinks differently,
Like that's just absurd to me. So I was sort
of surprised that something wasn't kind of being done like
this before. And yeah, it kind of just took me
being like, well, I'm just going to do it, and
that very decision changed my life. So I think at
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the crux of everything, it's great to have a great job,
and it's great to go on holidays, it's great to
do all these other things you do in your life,
but it's sort of nothing without and so being able
to help people find that is pretty amazing. And now
that we've had couples and real love stories, it's actually
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real now, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
How what was important?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, what do you think if I don't know if
it was business values or features of the apple, what
did you need to think of? So I imagine you have
this idea, but also you go, well, as soon as
we release this into the world in any way, all
of the other dating apps that already have the market
(34:40):
can quite simply put a feature in or address this
inside their apps with people. Was that a discussion point?
Is that something you So what did you have to
be great at to make sure that wable was the
go to? No matter what that, people did, get off
those apps and come to something new and feel safe
and know that that was the place for them totally.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh yeah, and it's still that's still a thought, but
I have all the time. I think it's about being
known and having trust and credibility within the community already.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And yes, they.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Could very well go and do that, but they could
very well also be like, well, this app's got quite
has done this quite well, how can we merge with
them rather than start from from X if someone's kind
of already nailed and championed that sort of movement. And so, yeah,
(35:34):
a bunch of things were really important, like sensory tools
in the app, as well as heightened security, I mean
our IP and our ambassadors, Like with Love on the Spectrum,
we've got accounselor and sexologists from the show on the app,
we've got Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
We have another big ambassador in the US, Asia Scott.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
So it also is the brand in the community that
you create with it, and you sort of can't really
replicate that. Yes, you could go on and add a
bunch of features to what you've already got, but if
you're already known and credible in the community for really
nailing and championing autistic people, and you'rerodivergent people, then I
(36:13):
think you're onto something. And because we've kind of had
that first sort of mover advantage, I'm hopeful that that
will be enough that we can kick it with some
of the bigger players in the US.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I want to know more about Holly Fowler behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, what do you want to know? Oh? Everything, mate, everything.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I guess when I told you about the gym exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I want all of that. Yeah, I love it. I've
seen you.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I've seen you championing the area of women and domestic
violence and things like that, and I'd love to know
what change you want to see or mate there and why.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, massively, I think maybe I I reckon. I maybe
started boxing with you when I first did some stuff
like with White Ribbon, and it was quite a little
while ago, but yeah, like a, I mean, domestic violence
is a huge issue in Australia. It's like one in
four women or something crazy now, and I know there's
a bit of a push at the moment for Claire's
(37:21):
Law and some stuff like I'm super passionate about that
area because domestic violence affected me when I was seventeen
in my first relationship, and I just left school at
that age and was just enrolled into you need to.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Start that following year.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So and yeah, that really affected my kind of early
adulthood into the That's when I kind of started going
to therapy because yeah, I was really angry and I
kind of didn't have much of a I suppose a
(37:56):
vision in life after that, I was kind of not
a self struck mode, but I was really struggling because
that was kind of my first experience of a relationship.
And now I see the same psychologists some ten years later,
so it's that's great, But no, it took a lot
of work. But for me, I think I don't know,
(38:18):
it's not talked about enough because it's awkward and perhaps
I mean, I've come at peace with it now. But
it's interesting when I've posted about why I'm doing, you know,
half marathons and things for White Ribbon, and I've spoken
about domestic violence on radio when I was on radio
and things like that, it was astounding to me how
many people that I knew and didn't know of that
(38:40):
messaged me is that I I've experienced this too, And
I mean not that not that I'm surprised by that, unfortunately,
because it's so.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Common.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
But that's where a lot of really hard things started
for me, Like I started. I have OCD and ADHD,
but like OCD, SEMPED has really started for me when
I was going through DV and that's something I still
grapple with today in different ways. But yeah, I suppose
if those things happened to you in your sort of
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formative early adult years, they still find a way to
affect you later in your life.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You just sort of hopefully learn to deal with them
a bit better.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
But yeah, that was that wasn't the funnest time in life.
But thankfully, thankfully I've I've made it out.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
But there are so many.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Women who who haven't and who can't. And it's very
easy for people to say, well, why don't you just leave?
But I get frustrated by that because the conversation is
always directed at the female or why doesn't she just leave?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Instead of why is that person beating her? Do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Like, I struggle to understand why that's the first question
that people ask, which is yeah, frustrating, but yeah, something
I would like to be able to do more around
I mean, there's no better time for it than right now.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
In Australia, and yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's just such a problem that I don't even know
what the cliffs fixes, to be honest, but if more
of us can talk about it, then that's a good thing,
I think, especially for young women potentially realizing what some
of the warning signs are. I mean, if I could
turn back time now, I would definitely know that I
might have been in risk because of some of the
behaviors that happened before things got physical, But I had
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no idea at that point sort of what was healthy
and what wasn't. So yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that. Like I'm really passionate
about as you probably know from the show, but just yeah,
but opening up, you know, and being honest and allowing
people to relate, Like I think we have you on
the show four thirty and thirty. Don't know if I've
mentioned that, but aggressive pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's doing incredible stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, you're only twenty seven and you're like literally
taking the world by storm. But I think it's it's
every bit is powerful for those looking up to you
to say, hey, this this happened, and it doesn't have
to define you, and you can speak about and you
don't and it doesn't have to be a part of
your identity, but you can still own that it was
(41:11):
a part of your story because it shaped everything that
happens to us, shapes us and we can still go
on to be superstars.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, no, one hundred per absolutely so No, it's yeah,
part of the story and hopefully maybe there's some people
listening that can can resonate with that. But yeah, like
you said, doesn't have to it doesn't have to define you.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
How how can people I mean, are you do you
still need help and assistance with the app?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, it do you take all the help I can get? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Mate, tell people, well, first tell them where to find
the app and what they can do and what's on offer.
But that also tell us what you're looking for from
a business perspective.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, Well, if anyone, if anyone listening is keen to
check out the app, that always helps you one as
many people checking it out as possible. So you can
download the app on that Apple App Store and Google Play,
so whatever phone you've got, you can find us, or
you can even just read some information at www dot
hellowable dot com. But other than that, just yeah, on socials,
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communicate with us. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback. And yeah,
we're in Australia and New Zealand now as well as
the US and UK. So if you've got people listening
outside of those areas and they want to see wayble
let us know, because we're always looking where we're gonna
go next. So but no, I just appreciate having a
chat and your support as well.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Oh, let's make noise, mate, And what about business? What
do you need?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Who are you looking for? Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I'm really just a lot of time and attention at
the moment is on the States, so I'm hoping that
we can we can capture some attention over there. I mean,
we've got such huge pr and press coverage and stuff
here in Australia, so I'm just hoping that we can
get a little bit of that in the States to
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help get the word out there. So that's my challenge
at the moment. Yeah, so see, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Hook her up, everyone, hook her up with Yeah, please
do people, your people and hollies. People need to talk.
Hey mate, congratulations you are really say it. I have goosebumps.
You're such an inspiration. You're still such a beautiful person.
It's a pleasure to chat with you. I am going
to be eagerly watching you rise to the top. So
keep doing good work.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Oh you're the best, and we need to I need
to have another session with you soon. See if I
can still hit the pads like I used to.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Hell, yeah, yeah, we better. We better tee that up.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
All right, we will say goodbye off here. I'll have
links to the app and the website and the show notes. Everyone,
get around it, get on it, do all the things.
Thank you, Holly, thank you everyone.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thanks TIV.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
She said, it's no never. I got fighting in my blood.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Gotta party cost, gotta true little guts, gotta.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Te moto cost.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Got it.
She said, it's now never I got fighting in my blood.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
How are you mate? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
This is so cool because we've known each other for
so long and I've listened to so many epps of
your podcast, and now we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It feels like five minutes ago I was holding the
boxing mits and you were. I know, lying punch is
left right and send it like an absolute weapon. And
now now here you are, Bluddy Forbes super star. My god,
oh my god, Like I don't even know how to
describe you. How would you even just if you weren't
(01:27):
you and you hopped outside of being you, and then
this person that you saw was doing what you do?
How would you describe them?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh that's a good question, crazy person, know Ah, how
would I describe me? You know, I don't think I'm
overly special. Maybe I would maybe just a hard worker.
I think just a hard worker.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, all right, we'll tell us, tell us,
tell us about wabble. Let's get straight into that.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, of course, I know it's been quite the right well.
I launched Wable or wable is a social networking app
built specifically for neurodivergent people to find dates, friends, jobs,
and support in one place.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So I kind of like.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
To describe it as if it's like Bumble and Seek
had a baby, but for your divergent people, it's like
maybe a good way to describe it. Which I launched.
We'll launch officially last year in Australia New Zealand, and
then just a month ago launched in the US and UK.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But this has been in the work.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Since locked out of twenty twenty, so it's been a
long time coming for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All Right, how was the idea born? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So well, actually probably was kind of around the time
that maybe I was still boxing with you, but living
in Port Melbourne on like lockdown, I don't know number six,
how many of the times will we lock down?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Lot a lot?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Most lockdown city in the world in Melbourne, So it
was just like insane. But yeah, came up with the
idea awable from my couch watching the first series of
Love on the Spectrum, which I don't know if you've watched,
but was just awesome. Now they've gone on to do
seasons in the US that have gone crazy and.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Just sort of loved all over the world.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I came across the first season and really loved
this guy on the show, Michael Theo, who is from
Wollongong and who is autistic, and the show followed his
sort of quest for love despite the challenges he faces.
And so I was single and using dating apps at
the time, also finding it difficult on kind of the
(03:37):
modern connection apps sort of out there, and I thought,
for this segment of the population, which by the way,
is really that niche, a niche population of the community,
but not really. It's twenty percent of the global population,
and you're a divergent might be even closer to like
forty if we account for all the people that are
probably not diagnosed and maybe going on that journey. But yeah,
(04:02):
I just loved, loved the show. I particularly loved Michael.
So I had this idea from my couch and I
just DMed Michael on Instagram and said, you know, what
do you think about this idea? And he was like,
oh my god, if you do this, make sure you
involve me. So yeah, fast forward to today, it's kind
of come full circle. Michael's our ambassador and we found
(04:24):
ourselves on the Today Show last year going how the
hell did we end up here?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But it really was just an idea on my cout
So how wild? Oh how wild? Indeed?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, what have you learned that you never expected to learn? Like?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
How did what are you from? It?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
From an idea on the couch in a lockdown to
this global sensation that is now like had millions in
funding and he's just rolling out like some sort of
steam train.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
What are you in the face.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I've learned, Oh god, I've learned a lot of things.
I think over uchingly. I've learned how resilient it can
be because getting something started up and then yeah, also
going on to raise capital takes quite a lot of resilience.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So maybe above all, I've learned.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What I can endure from a challenge perspective, which is
both humbling and I suppose inspiring for yourself as you
keep going. So yeah, it's it's pretty cool if I
think for anyone, if you're willing to learn and have
a real crack at something that why can't you?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Why can't you do something?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So I think, yeah, But and also learning that you
don't have to you don't have to have done this
before I know everything to get something started.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I think a lot of people might have that misconception
that you have to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Have all this business knowledge and you have to have
all this money to get started, and you certainly don't.
I mean it helps, but you don't have to be
an expert to actually get started.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So yeah, yeah, where did.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You turn and where and at what point? I imagine
there were times where you go, this could be a
big thing. How do you even make this a big thing?
Where do you start? And how much will this cost?
And how do I find that money? And where do
I put the money?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
First?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like, what was the logistics in the beginning of finding
your footing in that process.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well, the beginning, I had all the ideas, but I
suppose it's funny. I remember actually googling like how do
I find investors? Like I'm really starting from from.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Not a lot of knowledge at all.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
So for me, it was about getting the ideas I
had in my head on paper because I thought that
if I could communicate it well enough, then I'd be
able to convince people to get on board. And I think,
if you've met me, I'm pretty straight to the point.
I think I am good at getting I think I'm
pretty good at storytelling and hopefully getting people on board
(06:56):
with my ideas. So I think I knew that if
I had people, you know, my ideas on paper, and
I approached the right people, that I could get somewhere.
So the first step for me was building out a
prototype and sort of getting everything out of my head
on paper of when I wanted this app to look
and feel like. And I already had, you know, Michael
committed to say like, if you launched this LBO Ambassador,
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I've had long talks with his mum, with psychologists, support
care workers, and everyone in and around this community was like,
oh my god, we're waiting for something like this, So
I was convinced it was more about me actually trying
to get that on paper and communicate it well enough
to get some money to actually launch it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Because I ran out of money. I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I was like eighty percent of the way through the
prototype and I was like, oh my god, I need
to find investors.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And so yeah, then I went out looking for private investors.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And the good part about that was I was able
to get people involved with skills that I didn't have,
which is key.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I think there's lots of different ways you could raise.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Money, but for me, private equity was great because I
could get other people involved.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
To help me out.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
So my first couple of investors are now on the board.
Both of them connected to neurodivergence from a personal perspective
of people and their family, so it was already a
meaningful partnership. But you know, they've built and scaled other
businesses before, so all of a sudden, I had a
bunch of skills around me and some money and it
was able to get launched. So I raised three hundred
(08:26):
grand to launch the app, which sounds like a lot,
but it moves pretty quickly. But that enabled me to
stop working on wable in the middle of the night
and go full time, which was game changer because I
was pretty exhausted by the time we launched the app,
because I'd been doing that for two and a half years,
and so yeah, it enabled me to be able to
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go to bed like before two am for a little while,
which was good, and to launch the app, and then
we launched in Australia New Zealand. And then I just
completed our second capital raise together and raised one point
five million, which was harder in the sense it's a
bigger check, but easier in the sense we had more
(09:10):
to show for what we've done in the.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
First twelve months. So yeah, now we just have to
spend that money wisely and.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Scale wable overseas, so with the US being a really
big target for us. So yeah, it started very small,
but now it's moved pretty quickly in eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
What was what was your full time job? What was
work outside of the wable that was keeping your float?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, so I did I manage a couple of jobs.
I was working in PR for a little while. My
most recent job before quitting and going full time on
Wayble was PR and Comms at Flemington, So I come
from a marketing background, but before that I was on
radio with SCN, so kind of that sports media marketing background.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So yeah, entrepreneurship is sort of happened by AX and.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, who anyone says you can't change careers later in
your life, you definitely can if you want to. It's
just yet quite a leading curve.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Girl, you look twelve.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Come on, you know, well that's nice because I'm a
couple of weeks off twenty seven, so that's really sweet.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
How many hours outside of those holding down those jobs
and doing that type of work which PSS seems like
such a great type of work to give to leverage off?
But also what were the hours required up until?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
How many hours a week you working on this app? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, so my usual day for a little while, they
looked like I'd start work at like eight thirty nine
am in the office and then work till five five
point thirty and.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Then come home, eat and I'd probably start work.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
My developers were online from about eight pm, so sometimes
from eat dinner from like eight pm till one two
am on their hours most nights for yeah, about two years.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, man, Yeah, rough fun.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And also because then when I'm raising money, I'm doing
that on Australian hours because all my investors at the
moment are Australian Australia base. So most of the time
I was pitching in my car and my laptop at
my day job, hiding away, so no one knew what
I was doing. So yeah, my lunch breaks often were
(11:36):
for a good six months on goals with investors from
my car in the car park and then going back
into the office. So yeah, yeah, it was a bit
stealthy there for a little while.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, what's the reality of being a female in this space,
launching something at this capacity and looking for investors, because
I feel like that we're kind of at a bit
of a disadvantage when it comes to that. So what
were the what was the reality of the struggles that
you personally felt in that space.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, I totally, I definitely felt it. It's it's like
hard enough to raise money, and probably here in Australia,
but yeah, certainly definitely harder if you're a female. We
only get a small percentage of like venture capital each year.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The numbers are pretty scary and they're not really improving.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So and I was raising money at a time that
was kind of uncertain for Australia as well. Like when
I started, it was the cost of living was getting higher,
no one knew what was happening in America, and there
was a whole bunch of things at play that kind
of weren't in our favor.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And then put being.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
A female and tech on top of that is just
like the cherry on top of a very difficult situation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But there are.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
As much as there are people that are sort of
only investing in male founded businesses that there are, there
is support out there for female founders as well. I mean,
it's definitely harder. Took me about eleven months to raise
the money of solid pitching most days. But that being said,
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my first two investors were male who were on the
board and are some of the most supportive board members
and investors you'd ever come across, and they certainly believed
in me from day dott and I think the fact
me being a female in tech wasn't even really part
of the equation for them. It was just like we
believe in Holly, she has a great idea and she
can do it. So as much as we hear about
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the negative side of things, and yes, that's certainly true,
and it's very difficult. There are some really good people
out there who will back female founders. But that being said, like,
I had one pitch meeting where I am without naming names,
walked into a meeting in Sydney and.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
This guy has said that, like, love love your business idea.
I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I would probably invest if the CEO was older, but
because are you willing to give up your seat a CEO?
And when I answered that no, he advised that I'd
go and take a CEO course and that maybe he
would change his mind after that. So I remember leaving
that meeting like feeling pretty deflated because I was like, oh,
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people really think that I'm but I've built this enough
that you're interested to chat about it. Yet apparently I'm
not old enough to be CEO. However, I don't think
that would have been asked of me if I was
a twenty six year old male, for example. So yeah,
you get some interesting people, but you kind of got
to take some of it with the grain of salt.
But anyway, I finished my raise and he missed out,
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so I'm looking for him. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What that's a great You make a great point. What
is was it top of mind? How do you build
a team? Because when you're pitching for funding, you're also
letting people into something really special to you that you're building.
How do you create a team when you are, I
(15:08):
guess desperate for the funding and you're dipping from being
a female, You're dipping from a smaller pool than most
people out there.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
How is that hard? For me?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think a lot of it came down to trust,
And it's hard because you kind of have to have
a lens of not trusting anyone in business, which is
not the easiest thing. But I suppose Craig, one of
my first investors who came on as chair, had a
really personal connection to this and felt passionate about it
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in the way that I do. I mean, he has
a couple of kids on the spectrum, and so this
was not just a of course, it was this is
a great business, and I could see how this could
make money, because otherwise, you know, why spend all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
To get involved. But because there was a personal.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
To what I was building for him, he committed a
lot of time and energy before even getting equity in
the company. So to me, it'd already proven that he
was really keen and in this for the right reason.
So once I had Craig involved and Jamie our second director,
who nephews on the spectrum and who's.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
A lawyer, so that was great cut a bunch of
legal costs too.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But I think because they were in it for the
same reasons as I was, that they wanted to make
a difference as well as be part of a scaling business,
I had it then I had people to lean on,
and so when we're pitching, I had other people to
bounce off of what did you think of this person,
do you think they'd be beneficial or what was your
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sort of feeling, and people that have been in and
around this world for a bit longer it helps having
people to lean on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But yeah, I mean those.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
First few discussions are are are always interesting, and I
think my nature is to be quite trusting. But yeah,
you definitely have to be careful who who you get involved,
because yeah, if you get a good team around you,
it can boost your business, and if you don't have
a good team around you, it can be very detrimental.
(17:18):
But I suppose I've been I've been really lucky in
that sense. Of getting some really great investors on board
from the from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, any.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Challenges, mistakes, or things that you have already learned that
you would do very different if you did this another
time around. Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, I think at the beginning, I spent a lot
of time not talking to people about what I was
building or sharing what I was building, because I was
worried that someone was going to steal my idea. And
I think if I could turn back time, I wouldn't
have worried about that at all, because ultimately, if you
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have a good enough idea, someone will try and replicate
it and you just kind of have to be faster.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And better than they are.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And I, yeah, but I remember that really like isolating
me in the beginning point of asking everyone to sign
an NDA just to tell them about my idea, and
which is just like kind of crazy now that I
think about it, but it came from a place of
a bit of naivety about how this all works. And Yeah,
if I could turn back time, I wouldn't have lost
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sleep over it, because I think it can be for
a lot of founders. People starting businesses can be quite paralyzing.
And yeah, you've got enough things to.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Worry about without worrying about that.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
So that's probably something I've learned, and if I could
turn back time, would have told myself not to stress
out about so much.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, and how have you grown and changed as a person.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh, definitely become a lot more resilient. I think.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
In the first probably year things I am like, something
I am trying to work on is not placing so
much of my self worth on how the business is going,
and something I'm really not.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Very good at.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So if something is like really challenging and I'm not
feeling like we're at our best, then I feel that
on a personal level, and I find it very hard
to separate those two things. So I can ride the
highs really high and it's great and I'm excited, and
then the lows.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hit me on yeh, hit me differently.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
So I maybe I have become better at that, but
I'm still not probably where I should be if I'm honest.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Something I still definitely struggle with.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
But maybe it has its benefits because it pushes you
to do things when you're exhausted, then go above and beyond.
But yet it's detrimental in the fact that maybe you
don't enjoy the winds as much as you would because
you're just bracing yourself for the for the next thing.
Or I'm hypercritical of what I'm doing, So not that
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answers your question, because I'm still battling with it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's that's so interesting. I've just was thinking how the
experience must be like where people around you, both from
those who knew you before and those who were meeting
you now you're walking into people who now have a
perception of, Oh, this is Holly Fowler. She is a
founder and of wable and it's this huge tech platform.
(20:30):
It's going gangbuster. She's amazing, And what is that experience like?
Like is that a challenge to go, oh, do people
treat you differently? And do you at times treat you differently?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I think maybe I don't know. If I wouldn't, I
wouldn't even think that people think that of me.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
So I just put my face and I'm like, I
don't think she realizes how big this business is.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know.
If yeah, I definitely find that.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'll get like people reach out and I can tell
there's a bit of like a I want to ask
a question stuff like that. But I welcome that because
I got help at the beginning from people that you know,
didn't kind of turn me away and wanted to help.
So but I don't really think about myself in that way.
I think I've still got such a long way to go.
(21:26):
But I could see from the outset how there's certainly
like the glamorous side of things that people see in
the exciting stuff like oppressed and raising money, But most
of the time it's actually just really hard and not
as exciting as it probably looks for the outside. So
maybe because I have that, maybe because I'm living it,
I don't feel that it's as glamorous as maybe it
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looks on Instagram. But isn't That's everything, isn't it. So
But yeah, that's really sweet. I don't know if i'd
think about myself like that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
That's so funny. Was it for thirty under thirty that
you got what was the fall thing? I can't remember?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, thirty under thirty scraped in with a few
years ago, which was wild.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, I think, yeah, that was that was pretty crazy.
I got an eat.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Like I really shouldn't have checked my phone while I
was driving, but I glanced down and just saw like
congratulations and it said forms and I was like, oh
my god, no way, and pulled over and just was
like what is this?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So yeah, that was really cool and.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, something I didn't think I would ever achieve, so
that that was pretty special for sure. It was one
of those like moments I was like, oh wow, I
can't do this, like this is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So no, yeah, yeah, that was that was awesome. My
all my loved ones were very excited.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, it was a big deal, Like I need to
sit down and make you realize this.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Oh my god, you're too good to be not even
It was super cool. Yeah, it's beautiful and I really
love I really loved speaking to women who were doing
anything in this you know, any thing outstanding in the
space where women are the minority. It's a big tech
companies are definitely it. And I just find it so
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beautiful when women are still down to earth and accessible
and don't even realize, you know, sometimes in order to
get ahead, we have to be aggressive and bullish and
really put on a front and an ego and become
something in order to and make a way. And it's
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and I love it. I just think when people listen
to people like yourself. I had a beautiful Charles Morrison
on the show Who's kicking butt in Australian motorcycle racing
and she's so down to earth and I'm like, for
other young girls that are looking for female role models,
when you can just be a beautiful and yourself and
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down to earth, she just makes it so accessible.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, anyone can. Anyone can do it.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And I think, yeah, it's interesting when we're talking about
the capital raising perspective as well as like with women
maybe not raising as much money for their businesses, but
the business is making the most money. You're often female founded,
so we know what we're doing. But yeah, you just
need to be given more opportunities. But yeah, no that's
super cool. I can't Yeah, I can barely ride a bike, so.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, she is a weapon that's everic.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do you think that like what females are great at
is I think you know, really that relationship dynamic and
that sure the values and building it. So if you
can build a great team, then you can essentially hold
that together and nurture that and get the best out
of it. Do you think that's what comes into play
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when when you are building something great, Like why why
are women?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think women not to say that like it's not
found in men. I'm not saying that by any means,
but I think women are inherently quite empathetic, and I
actually think that's a pretty good leadership tool, particularly when
you're having a team around you. But also in my
business it's an impact business. When someone can feel in
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a conversation your empathy and your passion for the cause,
I feel like they're more likely to want to back
you because they can see how much how much passion
And honestly, I think passion and obsession are two things
that I would, if I was investing, would now look
for because I know there's not much I wouldn't do
for wable, and so I would want someone that would
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do anything to kind of grow their business. But I
and I think you find I think you do find
that a lot in women. And maybe that's why you
see a lot of women in impact based businesses because
when I you know, solve some of these challenges. So yeah,
maybe maybe that empathy component is our secret secret source.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Who have you used as mentors or drawn inspiration or
your resources from good one?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Growing up? Definitely my dad.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Dad was shouting out to dad, Yeah, shout out, single
dad with two girls. And I remember that sort of
hard work element just kind of being instilled in us
from a young age and not necessarily being like, oh,
you have to be the best at everything and you
have to get these grades in school.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
There wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Pressure, but it was like, if I'll be really proud
of you if you commit to something and you're really hard,
you're working really hard at whatever you're sort of doing.
So I think that kind of emphasis on hard work
was probably something I learned from a young age. Now
growing up, I've got a really good mentor in our chairman,
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Craig Mason, and he is the type of leader that
he knows that there's so much I don't know, but
I never go into Craig's office and ask him a
question and he thinks it's silly, and he's so open
to bold ideas.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's like me like that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
He dreams big and thinks big, and the sky's the
limit and nothing's off the table, and that's the way
he thinks. So we think quite similarly in that perspective.
But he's also very analytical and quite level headed, which
sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So we balance each other out quite well. And I
find his calmness and his.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Ability to think analytically really interesting, and I think I'm
learning a lot from him.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But he also takes a lot of He's like, holy,
you can do this.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Like you know where he can pick up when I'm
doubting myself on certain things, He's like, holy, you've got this,
Like it's all good, you know. So I think his
ability to read people and to find people's strengths in
his team and is really cool. So I'd like to
be able to work towards being able to have some
of those skills.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Hopefully I'm picking some of them up. But then, if
I think of like.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Someone that I've listened to lots of audio books from
or read books, I always think of, I always go
to Richard Bradson. If you've ever read his book or
listen to his audio books. It's the first one that
I listened to was Losing and Finding My Virginity. Obviously
with virgin he is, he's super interesting, and he did
(28:31):
some really crazy stuff before starting virgin I won't give
it away, but that's probably one of the first sort
of business y kind of books I read and again
like he just thinks so differently. I mean, he's dyslexic,
so is you're at a virgin And I think because
of that, he just thinks in a totally different way
and larger and with he kind of thinks like, this
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is what I'm going to do and then thinks of
all the steps and challenges later he doesn't think he's
all the challenges and hopefully I can get there. I
think he thinks in reverse, and so yeah, I listen
to and consumer as much of his content as I can.
Another one I look to is Melanie Perkins, the founder
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of Canber. Another female and she was She pitched to
hundreds and hundreds of people all up and down Silicon
Valley and was turned away and said no to so
many times. And she's now one of the most successful
female founders in the world and donates percentage of her
profit to the things she believes in now and she
can laugh at everyone that said no to her. They
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will regret that forever. So I always, yeah, I think
she's pretty badass, and I yeah like listening to whatever
she's up to. So many, so many clever people and
so many clever female founders coming out of Australia. I
know the US is a tech scene, but we've got
a fair bit going on here as well.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I love that. Will you naturally someone that and has
it changed? But are you naturally someone that would push
to improve on your weaknesses and fill the gaps or
just push harder on your strengths.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Push harder on my strengths is usually me. Like some
of the things about me that I say I struggle with,
Like I'm quite inherently hard on myself and those sorts
of things. I've sort of always had that, and I
don't know if I'd ever be able to achieve getting
heaps better at that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that's just part of who I am.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So I'd rather focus on the things I'm really good
at and just kind of deal with those other pesky,
annoying things that are just part of who I am,
And whilst they can be frustrating, they push me to
do better but certainly make things hard as well. So
maybe blessing and a curse, but yeah, I definitely more
a person to focus on my strengths.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
By that, what do you want? What's the.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Five years?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And I feel like the pace at which you work
is that is a lifetime, the lifetime of things could
happen in five years, maybe I should say one or two,
Like if all those really great for five years, what
do you see? What do you want, what position do
you want to be in, and what do you want
to be doing?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, well, I'd love I'd love to be growing wable,
maybe growing label to a point where who knows, we
might be the next Unicorn or something something crazy. But
I aside from like the growing Wayble kind of thing
I really want to get, I'm starting up like Waybull
Foundation alongside the app and my goal, and I hope
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that we.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Can take it off within the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
But through that, I'd love to be able to fund
sort of good causes within our community. So I look
at I take inspiration from Melanie's Melanie Perkins Canva model
where they donate profits to all different things. But my
goal is to send an autistic person to college through
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the app and do some cool stuff like that. So yeah,
that's a big goal on the vision board.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But hopefully we can tick that off. I'd like to
think in the next five years.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I love that so much. Why is neurodiversity so important
to you? Is that were there other things that you
were looking at, but this was the opportunity that you
saw a gap in Or have you always had a
passion for that particular space.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, I always had a passion. But I thought when
Love on the spectrum first and that people were talking
about neurodivergence who weren't before, So I thought this is
going to be a moment in time and the start
of a movement.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Absolutely right, because then they went on to do the
US season and now everybody's talking about neurodivergence and we
are writing sort of a wave of awareness and that's
why we're seeing lots of people going into getting diagnosed
later in life and all these things. So I think
the timing for Wable couldn't have been better. But and yeah,
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it's just I think I look at it from such
a broad lens of that. I just think human connection
is everything. Everyone wants to feel loved and understood and valued.
And why should one portion of the population be discriminated
against in the workplace or be it less a chance
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of finding love and friends just because their brain thinks differently,
Like that's just absurd to me. So I was sort
of surprised that something wasn't kind of being done like
this before. And yeah, it kind of just took me
being like, well, I'm just going to do it, and
that very decision changed my life. So I think at
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the crux of everything, it's great to have a great job,
and it's great to go on holidays, it's great to
do all these other things you do in your life,
but it's sort of nothing without and so being able
to help people find that is pretty amazing. And now
that we've had couples and real love stories, it's actually
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real now, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
How what was important?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, what do you think if I don't know if
it was business values or features of the apple, what
did you need to think of? So I imagine you have
this idea, but also you go, well, as soon as
we release this into the world in any way, all
of the other dating apps that already have the market
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can quite simply put a feature in or address this
inside their apps with people. Was that a discussion point?
Is that something you So what did you have to
be great at to make sure that wable was the
go to? No matter what that, people did, get off
those apps and come to something new and feel safe
and know that that was the place for them totally.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh yeah, and it's still that's still a thought, but
I have all the time. I think it's about being
known and having trust and credibility within the community already.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And yes, they.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Could very well go and do that, but they could
very well also be like, well, this app's got quite
has done this quite well, how can we merge with
them rather than start from from X if someone's kind
of already nailed and championed that sort of movement. And so, yeah,
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a bunch of things were really important, like sensory tools
in the app, as well as heightened security, I mean
our IP and our ambassadors, Like with Love on the Spectrum,
we've got accounselor and sexologists from the show on the app,
we've got Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
We have another big ambassador in the US, Asia Scott.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
So it also is the brand in the community that
you create with it, and you sort of can't really
replicate that. Yes, you could go on and add a
bunch of features to what you've already got, but if
you're already known and credible in the community for really
nailing and championing autistic people, and you'rerodivergent people, then I
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think you're onto something. And because we've kind of had
that first sort of mover advantage, I'm hopeful that that
will be enough that we can kick it with some
of the bigger players in the US.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I want to know more about Holly Fowler behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, what do you want to know? Oh? Everything, mate, everything.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I guess when I told you about the gym exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I want all of that. Yeah, I love it. I've
seen you.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I've seen you championing the area of women and domestic
violence and things like that, and I'd love to know
what change you want to see or mate there and why.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, massively, I think maybe I I reckon. I maybe
started boxing with you when I first did some stuff
like with White Ribbon, and it was quite a little
while ago, but yeah, like a, I mean, domestic violence
is a huge issue in Australia. It's like one in
four women or something crazy now, and I know there's
a bit of a push at the moment for Claire's
(37:21):
Law and some stuff like I'm super passionate about that
area because domestic violence affected me when I was seventeen
in my first relationship, and I just left school at
that age and was just enrolled into you need to.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Start that following year.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So and yeah, that really affected my kind of early
adulthood into the That's when I kind of started going
to therapy because yeah, I was really angry and I
kind of didn't have much of a I suppose a
(37:56):
vision in life after that, I was kind of not
a self struck mode, but I was really struggling because
that was kind of my first experience of a relationship.
And now I see the same psychologists some ten years later,
so it's that's great, But no, it took a lot
of work. But for me, I think I don't know,
(38:18):
it's not talked about enough because it's awkward and perhaps
I mean, I've come at peace with it now. But
it's interesting when I've posted about why I'm doing, you know,
half marathons and things for White Ribbon, and I've spoken
about domestic violence on radio when I was on radio
and things like that, it was astounding to me how
many people that I knew and didn't know of that
(38:40):
messaged me is that I I've experienced this too, And
I mean not that not that I'm surprised by that, unfortunately,
because it's so.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Common.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
But that's where a lot of really hard things started
for me, Like I started. I have OCD and ADHD,
but like OCD, SEMPED has really started for me when
I was going through DV and that's something I still
grapple with today in different ways. But yeah, I suppose
if those things happened to you in your sort of
(39:12):
formative early adult years, they still find a way to
affect you later in your life.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You just sort of hopefully learn to deal with them
a bit better.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
But yeah, that was that wasn't the funnest time in life.
But thankfully, thankfully I've I've made it out.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
But there are so many.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Women who who haven't and who can't. And it's very
easy for people to say, well, why don't you just leave?
But I get frustrated by that because the conversation is
always directed at the female or why doesn't she just leave?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Instead of why is that person beating her? Do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Like, I struggle to understand why that's the first question
that people ask, which is yeah, frustrating, but yeah, something
I would like to be able to do more around
I mean, there's no better time for it than right now.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
In Australia, and yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's just such a problem that I don't even know
what the cliffs fixes, to be honest, but if more
of us can talk about it, then that's a good thing,
I think, especially for young women potentially realizing what some
of the warning signs are. I mean, if I could
turn back time now, I would definitely know that I
might have been in risk because of some of the
behaviors that happened before things got physical, But I had
(40:22):
no idea at that point sort of what was healthy
and what wasn't. So yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that. Like I'm really passionate
about as you probably know from the show, but just yeah,
but opening up, you know, and being honest and allowing
people to relate, Like I think we have you on
the show four thirty and thirty. Don't know if I've
mentioned that, but aggressive pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's doing incredible stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, you're only twenty seven and you're like literally
taking the world by storm. But I think it's it's
every bit is powerful for those looking up to you
to say, hey, this this happened, and it doesn't have
to define you, and you can speak about and you
don't and it doesn't have to be a part of
your identity, but you can still own that it was
(41:11):
a part of your story because it shaped everything that
happens to us, shapes us and we can still go
on to be superstars.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, no, one hundred per absolutely so No, it's yeah,
part of the story and hopefully maybe there's some people
listening that can can resonate with that. But yeah, like
you said, doesn't have to it doesn't have to define you.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
How how can people I mean, are you do you
still need help and assistance with the app?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, it do you take all the help I can get? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Mate, tell people, well, first tell them where to find
the app and what they can do and what's on offer.
But that also tell us what you're looking for from
a business perspective.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, Well, if anyone, if anyone listening is keen to
check out the app, that always helps you one as
many people checking it out as possible. So you can
download the app on that Apple App Store and Google Play,
so whatever phone you've got, you can find us, or
you can even just read some information at www dot
hellowable dot com. But other than that, just yeah, on socials,
(42:16):
communicate with us. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback. And yeah,
we're in Australia and New Zealand now as well as
the US and UK. So if you've got people listening
outside of those areas and they want to see wayble
let us know, because we're always looking where we're gonna
go next. So but no, I just appreciate having a
chat and your support as well.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Oh, let's make noise, mate, And what about business? What
do you need?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Who are you looking for? Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I'm really just a lot of time and attention at
the moment is on the States, so I'm hoping that
we can we can capture some attention over there. I mean,
we've got such huge pr and press coverage and stuff
here in Australia, so I'm just hoping that we can
get a little bit of that in the States to
(43:01):
help get the word out there. So that's my challenge
at the moment. Yeah, so see, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Hook her up, everyone, hook her up with Yeah, please
do people, your people and hollies. People need to talk.
Hey mate, congratulations you are really say it. I have goosebumps.
You're such an inspiration. You're still such a beautiful person.
It's a pleasure to chat with you. I am going
to be eagerly watching you rise to the top. So
keep doing good work.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Oh you're the best, and we need to I need
to have another session with you soon. See if I
can still hit the pads like I used to.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Hell, yeah, yeah, we better. We better tee that up.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
All right, we will say goodbye off here. I'll have
links to the app and the website and the show notes. Everyone,
get around it, get on it, do all the things.
Thank you, Holly, thank you everyone.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thanks TIV.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
She said, it's no never. I got fighting in my blood.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Gotta party cost, gotta true little guts, gotta.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Te moto cost.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Got it.
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