Struggling With Self-Discipline? Here's the Fix!

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Discipline all starts with a foundation, right?
You know, and it is, it's like,you know, whenever you look at
an elite athlete, you know, andhow they practice and and the
routines that they do and thediscipline, and a lot of it's
boring as hell.
And and I think I mentioned inthe last podcast, you know,
Michael Jordan started everysingle practice with 100 chess

(00:23):
passes.
Uh Phil Mickelson and golf, he'slike famous for, you know,
making um like a hundred uhthree-foot consecutive putts
before he would end his practiceday every day, you know, and you
know, and you look at the levelthat these guys achieve by
working on the basics.
So um what I I in my book um Ihave a I have a chapter called

(00:46):
the The Foundation.
And this all starts withmastering the foundation, and
the foundation are the basics.
Yes.
Okay.
And I do a correlation becausemy background was in golf.
You know, I do a correlation toshooting par in golf, how hard
that is, less than one percentof people ever do that.
And to shoot par in life, it'sthe same thing.

(01:08):
Less than one percent of peopleever achieve an elite
extraordinary life.
However, the word par in my bookis P-A-R-R-R.
It's persistence,accountability, reliability,
responsibility, and resilience.
And when I'm doing talks withgroups or people, and I

(01:31):
emphasize this with kids all thetime, when I'm done with that
part, I say to everybody, Isaid, you know what?
All that that I just said,persistence, accountability,
reliability, responsibility,resilience, I said, it's all
useless.
It's all just just verbiagewithout one thing.

(01:54):
And I ask everybody, what isthat one thing?
And to this day, not one personhas been able to tell me.
And it's discipline.

SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Ladies and gentlemen, hello there.
My name is Russell Anderson, andwelcome to episode 12 of Run
with the Cheetahs, your guide toan extraordinary life.
We have an amazing episode foryou today.
I'm so excited about this, I canhardly stand it.
We're gonna be talking aboutsomething that pretty much

(02:37):
everybody deals with.
And I've made some calls, I'vedone some interviews, I've done
some research prior to this, andI'm gonna tell you this is gonna
be an episode that I think isone of the most impactful that
we're gonna do.
We're gonna be talking aboutself-discipline.
Yep, we're gonna be talkingabout the D-word,
self-discipline.
It's a big word, and uh it's atough word, and we all struggle

(03:01):
with it.
By the way, let me just tellyou, if you don't already have
this book, this is a big timebook.
My friend Jerry Freistadt wrotethis, friend and client, I'll
say.
He wrote it.
It's an amazing book.
Most of the material that we doin these episodes comes from
this book.
And uh if you don't already haveit, I highly encourage you.

(03:24):
Let me also add that uh theauthor, Jerry Freistadt, who
will be with us here in just amoment, he is also available for
speaking engagements.
Uh, he's done some recentspeaking engagements that have
just been off the chart,fabulous.
So uh, you know, if you thinkthis sort of content is
something that your group,organization, business,
community organization mightenjoy, check in with us, let us

(03:47):
know.
He is available.
If it's local to the Washingtonmetro area, it's an easy piece
of cake.
If it's not local, we'll makesome arrangements.
So uh if you're interested inhaving Jerry come out and speak
with your group, let us know.
He's available.
I'm gonna bring him in right nowand say hello.
Jerry, come on in here and sayhey.

SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Hey there, Russell.
Hey, great day today.
Uh, again, getting into one ofmy absolutely favorite topics.
And the reason it's it's soimportant to discipline, it's
probably of all the self-improself-improvement, self-learning
issues, it's probably the mostmisunderstood.

(04:26):
And I think today, um, as we gothrough the content, we're gonna
be talking about severaldifferent aspects of discipline.
You know, just try to grab oneor two of these, one or two that
you can, you know, implement,you know, educate yourself on,
you know, and and and take thatleap in into something
successful, you know, because umas we're gonna speak,

(04:48):
everything, and I meaneverything, starts with
discipline.

SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
Jerry, I couldn't agree more.
And let me make a prediction.
I predict that this episode willbe one of our most watched, most
appreciated, most shared, andmost impactful with the people
who watch it.
So I'm gonna let me say toeveryone who might be watching
today, please, if you like this,let us know.
Share it with your friends.

(05:13):
There's gonna be some greatmaterial.
And as Jerry just said, if youcan take one thing away from
this that can make a change inyour life, as far as I'm
concerned, that's a big win.
Fantastic.
So discipline, Jerry, it's atough subject.
You know, the D-word.
I mean, uh, everybody that I'vespoken to and I've made some
calls, everybody I've spoken toleading up to this, everybody

(05:35):
struggles with this to a degree.
Um, and everyone has slightlydifferent issues with it.
I can't wait to cover them all.
But let me ask you, let me justkick it off with this.
Jerry, why is this so tough?
Why is self-discipline so tough?

SPEAKER_01 (05:52):
Well, let me let me explain this um a couple
different ways.
Um, probably the the firstaspect of it is is an
acknowledgement of that we wealways view everything outside
of our arena as our competition,you know, as where we're trying
to get to or we're trying toachieve whatever it is that

(06:13):
we're doing.
Um but the reality of it is whenit comes to discipline, you're
gonna face your toughestcompetitor you'll ever face
yourself.
And, you know, one of myfavorite quotes, this is a Ray
Lewis line, and this issomething, again, when I talk
about these quotes and I giveyou give you this stuff, you

(06:35):
know, you know, I I recommendyou you you get your like top
ten and look at them all thetime, you know, memorize them,
get them, get them, you know,ingrained.
This is one of my favorites.
Wins and losses come a dime adozen, but effort nobody can
judge that because effort isbetween you and you.

(07:00):
And that related to discipline,that that quote just kind of you
know sums it up that thediscipline that executes and
gets you going and keeps thatregiment and everything else
going, it's a hundred percentinternal.
It's not coming from outsidesources.
So you have to acknowledge thatto begin with.

(07:20):
The other aspect of why it's sohard is things have changed over
thousands of years.
And as most of you know fromprevious podcasts, or if you
read my book, you know, I'm ahuge on human nature and the way
humans are built and how howwe're um biologically processed
and how our brains work and soforth.

(07:42):
And what what's occurred overtime is the world of abundance
has taken away a portion of thebuilt-in disciplines of nature.
And let me explain what I meanby that.
So let's just go back to ourhunter days, right?

(08:03):
Back then, you had no choice butto be disciplined.
It wasn't a want, it was a need,right?
And the comfort in ancient timeswas something that was always
earned.
It wasn't given.
It wasn't, you know, somethingthat was just, you know, a part

(08:26):
of your daily routine.
So, you know, if you if youthink about it that way, in the
modern world and the way humansare built, if you're gonna
execute the things that give youself-worth, self-esteem, you are
gonna have to self-inflict thatdiscipline upon yourself.

(08:47):
You're gonna have to get engagedin some level of pain and
suffering on a daily basis as tothe way we were built thousands
of years ago, in order for yourself-esteem and and your level
of contentment and peace of mindto get to those levels of you
know, feeling, you know, a levelof confidence about yourself and

(09:11):
your personal development.
Um, you know, the developmentof, you know, again, going back,
you know, thousands of yearsago, over that time frame, we've
developed what's called like ahigher brain.
And and that's been mostlybeneficial.
Okay.
Uh we're obviously we're waymore intelligent, you know, look
at the world today and and uhand and the development of how

(09:32):
things have have evolved overtime, but it's not all
beneficial, okay, because mosthumans perform out of need, not
out of want.
And when you take the need away,it is a it's a negative input to

(09:53):
to the disciplines that you cantry that you're trying to
implement.
And it makes it harder toactually do that because comfort
is so easy.

SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
You know, I don't want to get I don't want to
derail us this early, but youknow what?
The whole thing about why do weprefer comfort, you know, why
it's just such a terrible I meanit's what a what a negative
thing it is that we have such adesire for comfort.

SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Well, again, Drussell, I think I think it's
just part of the um naturalhuman process of the way we're
biologically made.
That that, you know, when youknow the hunter went out in the
caveman days and he had a bigkill that day, well, that that
led to a couple days of comfort,you know, family's eating good,
everything's great, you know,and and that that's a built-in

(10:39):
part of our biological makeup toseek comfort.
But when we get too much of it,it takes away the drive.
Wow.
And the drive, the drive is whatbuilds who you are.
And so the second you get inthat comfort zone and you stay
there, generally you're headeddown a negative path.

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
You know, so many people that talk about
discipline, it's a very uh thecontinuum, the continuum of
people that talk aboutdiscipline is wide.
And, you know, you're you're apretty hardcore guy, and I
really respect that about you.
And I'm gonna make a referenceto Gate David Goggins here for a
minute, you know.

(11:21):
Uh David Goggins is someone whotalks about suffering.
And you know, I don't like thatword.
And here in a little bit, we'regonna talk about semantics.
We're gonna talk about wordsbecause I think words, I think
words in this conversationactually become real important.
You mentioned pain and sufferinga little bit earlier.
David Goggins talks aboutsuffering.
I think you've got a quotecoming up here in a little bit

(11:43):
that is a David Goggins.
But you know, I'm I'm not a hugefan of that word.
Now, don't get me wrong, youknow me well enough to know I
love to work.
I mean, I'm I'm a hard worker.
And rather than talk aboutsuffering, I like words like
grind.
I do hard things, you know.
I I I kind of, but I stop shortof that going to suffering.

(12:06):
But I guess it's whatever getsthe job done for you.
And it's important thateverybody find the words and the
semantics that work for them.
What makes you move?
What makes you move the needle?
What elevates you to the nextstage?
Do you agree with that?

SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
Yeah, well, I mean, let me let me address the
suffering issue.
Um, and here's here's part ofwhat David David Goggins um
believes is that if you don'tinflict some type of
self-suffering upon yourself,it's going to be inflicted upon
you anyways, right?
So every single one of us hasgone through something that

(12:46):
happened, an external situation,something, you know, that
happened in our lives, you know,a crisis, you know, that call
that you never want to get, youknow.
Um, and and and that'ssuffering, right?
So um suffering is again is partof being able to endure and
recover.

(13:06):
And every time you endure andevery time you recover, you come
out a better person on the otherside.
And uh, David Goggins quote, bythe way, is uh you know, it
takes yeah, it takes relentlessself-discipline to schedule
suffering into your day everyday.
Right.
And so, you know, he he's a corebeliever in that the more you

(13:29):
discipline yourself to do reallyhard things, and that guy's done
a lot of hard stuff, and he's bythe way, let me also say if you
haven't read his book, Can'tHurt Me, most people don't know
this if you didn't read thebook.
You need to learn about thatguy's childhood because
suffering was inflicted uponhim, not by choice.
And again, that is somethingthat if you're if you if you

(13:53):
understand about how toself-inflict suffering when it's
inflicted upon you, you're gonnahandle it a whole lot better.
Um, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
Well, I was gonna say, so you know, the for me,
and again, I have not yet grown,I have not yet evolved to really
fully appreciate David Goggins.
He's still extreme for me.
You know, he's still veryextreme for me.
But I will tell you this aboutsomething that he says and what
I believe strongly in.
When we talk in a little bitabout the different components

(14:23):
of discipline, you know, one ofthe main components and the one
that most people identify withis willpower.
And, you know, we're gonna learnabout willpower here in a little
bit, but David Goggins says youcan train your mind.
And I know, I know you're intothis big time.
You can train your mind.
And I do subscribewholeheartedly to that.

(14:47):
So no matter where you are rightnow on the willpower journey,
you can train your mind to bebetter.
And willpower is one of the mosttalked about, discussed
components of discipline,willpower.
And you can train your mind.
David Goggins is a big, big, bigproponent of training your mind.

(15:11):
So I'm all into that.
I just haven't yet grown to thatwhole suffering thing.
Suffering is, I don't like thatword.

SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
Yeah, so so let me let me jump into like the we we
might have got a little bitahead of ourselves here.
So, you know, the the the it allstarts, discipline all starts
with a foundation, right?
You know, and it is it's like,you know, whenever you look at a
elite athlete, you know, and howthey practice and and the

(15:40):
routines that they do and thediscipline, and a lot of it's
boring as hell.
And and I think I mentioned inthe last podcast, you know,
Michael Jordan started everysingle practice with 100 chess
passes.
Uh Phil Mickelson and golf, he'slike famous for, you know,
making um like a hundred uhthree-foot consecutive putts

(16:01):
before he would end his practiceday every day, you know, and you
know, and you look at the levelthat these guys achieve by
working on the basics.
So um what I I in my book um Ihave a I have a chapter called
the The Foundation.
And this all starts withmastering the foundation, and

(16:21):
the foundation are the basics.
Yes.
Okay.
And I do a correlation becausemy background was in in golf.
You know, I do a correlation toshooting par in golf, how hard
that is, less than one percentof people ever do that.
And to shoot par in life, it'sthe same thing.
Less than one percent of peopleever achieve an elite
extraordinary life.
However, the word par in my bookis P-A-R-R-R.

(16:46):
It's persistence,accountability, reliability,
responsibility, and resilience.
And when I'm doing talks withgroups or people, and I
emphasize this with kids all thetime, when I'm done with that
part, I say to everybody, Isaid, you know what?

(17:08):
All that that I just said,persistence, accountability,
reliability, responsibility,resilience.
I said, it's all useless.
It's all just verbiage withoutone thing.
And I ask everybody, what isthat one thing?
And to this day, not one personhas been able to tell me.

(17:29):
And it's discipline.
Ah, okay.
It's discipline.
So if you want to shoot par inlife, these are the categories
you got to work on and you gotto fund, but you know, get those
basics down.
But every single aspect in thererequires discipline to execute,
right?
So if you go and again, this isout of my book, you know,

(17:51):
P-A-R-R, when you add a D on theend, it's party, right?
That's your internal party.
You'll live the rest of yourlife if you could implement your
disciplines to all the uh basicsof the foundation.
So uh, you know, the the uh theanswer to that is practice,
rehearse, repeat.
I love practice, rehearse,repeat.

(18:11):
I mean, it's just a every singlelevel of highly successful
people have been in the trenchesdoing all the detail, all the
stuff, all the boring work,everything they didn't want to
do to get that moving.

SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Jerry, this is not in our notes, but I have to jump
in for a minute.
You know, the word commitmenthas an awful lot to do with the
word discipline.

SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
You know, uh, I mean, there if you don't make a
commitment to do something or tobe somebody, then the discipline
is uh just kind of a just kindof a secondary conversation.
But if you make the commitmentto do something, and by the way,
we've talked before, there aredifferent levels of commitment.

(18:58):
If you have a teenage daughterwho's out on a Friday night with
her friends, and you have agreedto be the person to pick her up
at 11 o'clock or whatever timeis the right, if you've made
that commitment, you better bethere.
That's a commitment you're gonnahold to, okay?
I mean, that's a hard and fast,full stop commitment.

(19:23):
Is that the level of commitmentwe have about getting up early
in the morning?

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Is that the level of very similar, but but but but
let's look at it a differentway, right?
Making the commitment itselfrequires discipline, right?
So, you know, executing it is adifferent level of discipline,
but just think about how manypeople that just don't commit.
Yes.

(19:48):
Yeah, that gets back to thatgets back to my difference
between uh goals and dreams,right?
You know, the things that youdream about are, you know, are
things that are going to happen,you know, five years, ten years
down the road.
Goals are my commitments anddisciplines that I'm executing,
you know, five minutes from now,tomorrow, and the next day,
right?

(20:08):
So, you know, the disciplinejust to make those commitments
is the very beginning of theprocess.

SPEAKER_00 (20:16):
You know, Jerry, we're off like a rocket ship
here.
I mean, we're off like a rocketship.
There's so much good stuff here.
But let's let's let's back upjust for a moment.
Let's talk about some of themyths, some of the myths about
discipline.
And, you know, the number onemyth is that disciplined people
are just built with strongerwillpower.
And this kind of goes back towhat we were talking about a

(20:37):
minute ago with David Goggins.
You know, we all start with somelevel of willpower capacity, but
our environment slowly steals itaway.
What would you say about iseverybody born with willpower?

SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
100%.
Every single person is born witheverything built into you that
you need to be the mostextraordinary elite human being
ever put on this earth.
Now, you know, not getting intoyou know genetic deficiencies,
things like that, 99% of us fallinto that category.

(21:12):
So now, just because you're bornwith it, okay, everything from
day one after that becomesenvironmental and what you're
taught, who you're around, whatyour relationships are.
So societal environments have atendency to steal that from us

(21:33):
over time.
And again, going back to how theworld has become a world of
abundance, especially in theUnited States of America, and
you know, anything more thanhaving a roof over your head and
a meal to eat is abundance ifyou compare us to the world.
Yeah.
Right.
So um we have a tendency to getthis entitlement attitude, you

(21:55):
know, from our environment andin feeling like we're deserved
of.
Certain things and things likethat.
And that that steals that bornin ingrained disciplines that
you have.
Um, and again, going back to theHunter days, you didn't have a
choice back then.
Yeah.
You didn't wake up disciplined.
Guess what?

(22:15):
Family's not eating today.
Sorry, guys.
Right.
Uh, so so you you need to getthat mentality.
I mean, I I don't know how toget that into people, but that's
how I think.
That's how I think.
I I gotta feed my family todayand tomorrow.
What am I doing about it?
And I think that if you get getin that mentality, it's gonna

(22:36):
take you a long way.

SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Well, myth number two is and I know this is one of
your favorites right here,buddy.
This is this is you, this is allyou.
You need motivation to getstarted.
How about this whole thing aboutmotivation, huh?

SPEAKER_01 (22:50):
Yeah, but we we did a whole podcast on that, and and
I'm I'm just gonna leave it assimple as this.
Action precedes motivation.

SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:57):
Okay.
And and and what causes action,the discipline.

SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
Yeah, very good.
And you're right.
We we've we've covered this, butit's one of our it's one of our
primary tenets, you know.
Take some action.
You know, what what's what's theNike thing?
Do it.
Just do it.
Just do it.
Just do it, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
Uh, and then here's and by the way, I love I love
the simplicity of the Nike logo.
That is just so um, you know,because I view life that way.
We we way overcomplicateeverything, right?
And and but and their theirtheir you know, logo of saying,
just do it, it just simplifiesit, it's to the point, just go
out and execute.

SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
You know, really on a side note, but because you
know I'm a marketing guy, justlast week I read the story of
that logo.
And I I unfortunately I'm notgoing to be able to recount it
exactly, but Phil Knight went tothe University of Oregon, and he
was like a track star.
I mean, Phil Knight, founder ofNike.
And uh, you know, he had thisidea to found this thing, and he
had some girl that, you know,had some lady, young lady, uh,

(23:59):
there at the school that heasked to put it together, and
she did.
And it's gone on to be one ofthe most amazing logos in the
history of design.
Uh, but it was really uh just uhjust, hey, can you do this for
me?
And what came out was justmagic, just amazing magic.
I love that.
That's fantastic.
Well, you know, myth numberthree is that we say it's all or
nothing.

(24:20):
You know, the people say, look,I'm just not cut out for this.
You know, I'm just this this isnot me.
You know, what do you say aboutthat?

SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Well, again, self-talk.
I mean, that that's what we'reessentially what you're what
you're talking about here isthat you you've convinced
yourself of you know lies thatsomebody educated you on or
taught you or who you're aroundor your parents or whatever it
might be, you know, that youknow, it's not for me, right?

(24:47):
Okay, it's in everybody.
You were born with it, okay.
And just because it's beensuppressed for 20 or 30 years,
it's still in there, right?
You've got to dig in and and getit.
And um the way to do that is youhave to uh avoid uh that
negative self-talk.
They they they cut the what wasthe way you just phrased it?

(25:08):
It's just not me.

SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
It's just I'm not I'm not cut out for this.

SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Right, yeah.
And and and and instead ofsaying that, you know, what why
don't you say, hey, I know thisis gonna be difficult and hard,
but you know what?
I th I think maybe that's notme.
Right?
May may maybe there's just aslight chance that I can do
that, right?
And and but as long as you aregiving yourself that negative
feedback loop of um and the ththe thing that's devastating, by

(25:36):
the way, for most people is theycompare themselves to highly
successful people, or even youknow, people who look to be
highly successful, you know, thewhole social media thing, you
know, people with you knowgetting on their private jets
and all this crap.
You know, you start withyourself, and and the only

(25:56):
person you need to uhcongratulate is yourself and and
those incremental steps that youmake, you know, it's it's just I
get I'll give you anotherexample of this.
Let's just take some high schoolkids, like you mentioned a track
team, right?
So let's just say, you know,there's you know, 10 kids that
you know run the I don't knowanything about track, but
whatever.

(26:16):
Just just just run the hundredyard 100 yard or whatever, 100
meter, whatever it is.
Okay, right.
And and and there's one kidthat's like you know, oh almost
a full second faster thaneverybody else.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, is that the standard?
Is that what you're trying tomeet?
Is that what you're going for?
Or am I looking to get one tenthof a second better every single

(26:40):
month?
Right?
You have to reinforce your ownuh thoughts.
Remember, I told you yourtoughest competitor is yourself,
and that's that's what you needto face.
So if your goal is to cut offthat whole second, it's too
overwhelming.
Especially for a high schoolkid.

(27:02):
I'm never gonna get that fast.
That's impossible.
It wouldn't matter what I did, Ican't do it.
But if you focus on that onetenth of a second, and you know
and you know it's gonna take alot of work, a lot of effort, a
lot of coaching, and it's gonnatake a month or two to just get
one tenth of a second better,that's possible.

(27:22):
And then guess what?
Three months later, it's anothertenth.
And three months later, it'sanother tenth.
And you know what?
It might take two years, andguess what?
I caught that guy.
Wow.
That's the way it works.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:35):
You know, you mentioned self-talk again.
I I I would say I'm really bigon self-talk.
I've I've got some good stuffthat helps me every day,
literally helps me every day.
But in the case of somethingthat in the runner, in the
example you just used, I wouldsay, you know, I'm running well,
but I can do better.

(27:56):
I can do better, I can bebetter, I'm gonna get better.
Yep.
And you know, and then lookingfor the ways to improve.

SPEAKER_01 (28:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
Yeah.
Yep.
Well, you know, we're gonna getto some strategies.
I mean, this is really a core ofuh the core of what we want to
talk about today, somestrategies for how to improve.
But you know, there's there'sreally two things, Jerry, I want
to jump in with and talk about.
Uh, and we're gonna just kind ofbe doing a little bit of this
off the cuff, but I know we'regonna be good with it.
Um, one of them is the numberone, one of the biggest

(28:27):
obstacles to discipline isdistractions.
You know, I mean, people getdistracted during their day.
There's a lot of things that candistract them.
And uh it's it's a big deal.
And we we need to, we need to,we need to work with these
distractions.
Um, I had a couple ofconversations uh this week with

(28:50):
people talking about this topic.
And uh, you know, then I'm gonnabring back my old friend right
here.
Remember this right here, buddy?

SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Yeah, I certainly do.

SPEAKER_00 (28:58):
You know, I talked about the fact that I had a, I
confess that I had a uh, youknow, a real addiction to these.
I mean, I was eating these, andthis is the same one that we
looked at months ago.
Okay, I've never cracked it.
I keep it down here in thestudio as a reminder.
I keep it as a reminder of how Ican be successful with my
self-discipline.

(29:19):
And I've not had a cheese ballin like a year.
I mean, it's fantastic because Iwas eating these all the time.
I was standing at the pantrydoor with this, just popping
them into my mouth, you know.
So we talked about this oncebefore, and I just wanted to
bring it back up.
I mean, this is indeed somethingthat I've been able to work
with.
And and one of those.

SPEAKER_01 (29:40):
And by the way, you you don't look at that anymore
with envy like I want it.
No.
Now now you look at it as an eraof success.

SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Right, and motivation, right?
Yeah.
And and and by the way, havingthings like that work great.
I do the same thing.
I I have certain things I keeparound me in my office, things
like that, reminding me of thepain and suffering I went
through so that when I get in atough spot, it's right there,
right?
And right in the front of mymind.
Okay, nope.
Get the positive, you know, getthe stinking thinking out of my

(30:18):
head.
Yeah.
And let's move in the rightdirection.
That's what that does.

SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
And you know, Jerry, so again, I mentioned
distractions, which is somethingwe'll discuss a little bit, but
what you just said and what I'mpeople need to design their
environments for success.
I mean, that's a structure.
We're gonna, I know you're gonnabring up structure here in a
little bit, but designing yourenvironment for success, one of

(30:41):
the best conversations I hadthis week with somebody about
this was they said, look, eversince our kids have been off to
college, we don't have any morechips and crackers and donuts in
the pantry.
So we're not eating them, andwe've lost 20 pounds each.
I mean, it design yourenvironment for success because

(31:03):
willpower can be real tough.
Will, you know, if you walk bythere and see those cheese balls
in there, and like I said monthsago when I first introduced that
dilemma, I just can't buy cheeseballs anymore.
I can't buy them because ifthey're here, I'm gonna eat
them, other than this one that Ikeep here as a reminder that
I've been successful.

(31:23):
Yeah.
So I'm I'm sorry to get us offcourse, but this designing your
environment and understandingdistractions, these are all part
of the discipline conversation.
I mean, these are these are thecomponents and the ingredients
of success when we're talkingabout uh when we're talking
about uh discipline.

(31:44):
Um so you know, how about howabout we jump to restraint for a
little bit?

SPEAKER_01 (31:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Now, you know, restraint, matter of fact, I'm
gonna I've got a I've got agraphic, Jerry, I'm gonna pull
up.

SPEAKER_01 (31:58):
Yeah, well, actually, let me let me let me
give you one quick quote of whatwe were just what you were just
talking about.
Go.
And by the way, again, most ofyou know I'm a big Abraham
Lincoln guy.
I mean, this guy was way aheadof his time.
Here we go.
Discipline is choosing betweenwhat you want now and what you

(32:19):
want most.
Right?
So what you wanted now were yourcheese balls, but what you
wanted most was a healthierlifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
Right.
Yes.
So so take that quote.
Again, I did I think everybodyshould write that one down.
Discipline is choosing betweenwhat you want now and what you
want most.
If you, again, if you if youmemorize that or put it on a
sticky note in your car,whatever it is, when you're
enticed to go down that negativepath and do something you know

(32:50):
you shouldn't be doing, that'llbe the reminder.
And eventually, again, you'reyou're training your feedback in
your brain, you're you'reburning those new paths in
there.
Eventually, that stuff will kickin.

SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
And the other, another one that comes to mind
for me is that no matter whatour feeling about discipline is,
and again, sometimes that's anegative feeling.
You know, there's some otherwords, you know, I'm a word guy.
There are some other words Ireally like that are parallel
with discipline.
I like the word commitment.
I like the word focus.

(33:23):
You know, I like the wordintent.
You know, these are these arewords that are similar to
discipline, and I think they'reall important.
But you know, here's onediscipline is the bridge between
where we are now and where wewant to go.
It's the bridge.
That's what we need to do to getwhere we want to go.

(33:44):
We need to discipline, do thediscipline things to get us
there.
We can make that list of what dowe need to do to get us there?

That's what discipline is (33:51):
the bridge between where we are and
where we want to go.
I think that's very powerful.
Yep.
This next one, though, this isabout restraint because, you
know, this is kind of wherewillpower, the rubber meets the
road sometimes with willpowerand restraint.
And this, you mentioned AbrahamLincoln.

(34:13):
I'm gonna go Ben Franklin onyou.
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna gosome Ben Franklin on you, okay?
And I I did, I made the graphicon this, I'll pull it up.
Tis easier to suppress the firstdesire than to satisfy all that
follow it.
And I I'll tell you what, youknow, again, one of the one of
the people I talked to this weekabout this topic said to me,

(34:37):
This is exactly what he said.
I love donuts.
I love donuts.
But one bite of a donut and it'sover.

SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna eat three or four or
five.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
It's exactly right, you know?
And so we have to understandthat there is a level of
restraint that comes into play.
And there are strategies fordealing with that, you know.
I mean, there are strategies forthat.
And I think one of the best onesis look, understand that that is
an urge of the moment.
And if you can pass on that forthe moment, it's gonna be

(35:14):
better.
You're gonna be you're gonna bea little bit better down the
road, okay?
But let's let's figure out howto pass on that for the moment.

SPEAKER_01 (35:20):
Right.
Yep.
I mean, one um my favorite,okay, again, this might not be
for everybody, but you got tocome up with something that's
for you, right?
And if you want to use this,that's fine.
Because my favorite questionthat I ask myself, whenever I'm,
I don't want to do it, I don'tfeel like it, you know, it's too

(35:45):
hard.
And and and by the way, if thathappens to everybody, okay.
So don't don't think that peoplethat are extremely successful
and else don't have thosethoughts.
They have the thoughts, it's theit's what they do with the
thoughts, right?
My I always ask myself, what'sthe alternative?
Right?
What's the alternative?

(36:06):
So, and it's not the alternativeof of you know what I'm doing at
the moment.
It's the alternative of what ifI don't do what I should do?
I know what I got, right?
And if I don't go to thealternative of making something
happen, I'm gonna stay with whatI got.

(36:29):
Right.
And so asking that question Ihave found to be something that
again brings to front of mindall the time, you know, and and
again, let's just simplify thisas as easy as can be.
You walk in and you can turn onthe TV and grab grab a you know
a thing of chips and turn onNetflix and watch something,

(36:53):
right?
If you at that moment just sayto yourself, you know, if I
don't do that, what's thealternative?
Right?
Because if I sit down and dothat, nothing is gonna change.
I'm gonna continue on a negativedownward path and downward

(37:13):
spiral in every aspect becauseit's not just health, it's
habits, it's inefficiencies,it's it's lack of commitment to
to uh bettering yourself.
There's all kinds of things thatare wrong with that.
And if you if you say, you know,well, what's the alternative?
It's a lot easier to getyourself up and go do something

(37:35):
more productive.
Okay.
And again, I'm not saying,again, like everybody should be
a robot and you should never sitdown and watch Netflix or
anything else, but you you youneed to have certain built-in
disciplines and develop themthrough specific methodology.
And one of those methodologies Iuse is that question.

(37:55):
What's the alternative?

SPEAKER_00 (37:57):
I like it.
I like it a lot.
Um, you know, so I want we'regonna go back to restraint just
for a moment.
I'll tell him tell my own storybecause, and again, in a in a
bit when we talk aboutstrategies, we're gonna talk
about structure.
You know, sometimes yourrestraint, if repeated enough,
can become a very positive habitor routine.

(38:17):
And that is what happened withme with eating ice cream.

Okay, now here's the deal (38:21):
I can eat my weight in ice cream.
I mean, I I love ice cream.
Okay, but I know, I know that isa bad path for me for a bunch of
reasons.
Okay, but listen to this.
When you have grandkids, whenyou have grandkids and you're on
vacation and everything,everybody wants ice cream.

(38:43):
So literally 10, 15 years ago,back when I was carting my
grandkids around everywhere andeverybody wanted ice cream, I
got so that I just didn't order.
I ordered ice cream foreverybody, I didn't order it.
And everyone thought, what,you're not gonna get any ice
cream?
I said, No, I'm gonna pass on itbecause I knew that I would like
gobble that thing down likethere's no tomorrow.

(39:03):
And so I did not order it.
Well, that has carried forward,and now my wife eats ice cream
on occasion, pretty regularly.
She loves it in the evening.
I'll scoop her out some icecream.
I take one bite.
I uh when I'm done scooping herstuff, I take the last bite and
I'm done.
I have I, and that's how I nowget my little bite of ice cream,
but I do not eat ice cream.

(39:25):
It has become a very good habitfor me to not eat ice cream.
So, you know, that initialrestraint, repeated
successfully, as you talk aboutall the time, has become a
wonderful new routine for me.

SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
And how did that restraint in front of your
family, the kids, everythingelse, how did that boost your
own self-esteem?

SPEAKER_00 (39:51):
Well, I felt great about it.
They thought I was a nut.

SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
Yeah.
Well, you don't you don't youdon't need to worry about what
anybody else thinks because whenyou do hard things in defiance
of other people that you knowthat are core values and are the
right thing to do, it's evenmore valuable.
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (40:10):
But that's a true story.
And and to this day, again, whenI scoop out ice cream for my
wife, I take the last bite andthat's it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
All right, Jerry.
And and by the way, you know,I'm a big health and wellness
nut and everything else.
And uh, there's a lot worsethings than ice cream.
That's first thing.
And second thing is once a monthto have a scoop of ice cream, go
ahead.

SPEAKER_00 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'mnot a kook.
I'm just I but I mean, I couldbe in a position where I'm
eating ice cream every night,but I don't want to do that,
okay?
Right, gotcha.
Uh so let's now let let's getdown to some real core
strategies for how people candeal with discipline.
And uh, you know, strategynumber one, and this is a good

(40:53):
one.
I mean, this is a darn good one,is lower the bar.
Lower the bar.
Uh, you know, what why don't yougo on and talk about how
important that can be to lowerthe bar?

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
Yeah, well, again, I mentioned earlier about dream um
dreams versus goals.
Okay, so um you if you're ifyou're focused on, you know, the
big stuff, okay, it there's noway to get there, right?
You you have to break that way,way down into these little micro
goals, little wins, and soforth.

(41:26):
The way to do it, and what I'drecommend people do to get
started with any discipline isuh set up something really
short, like uh set up a seriesof just just three-day
commitments.
Okay, so let's just say you'resomeone hits the snooze alarm.
Write this down for three daysin a row, I am when that alarm

(41:49):
goes off the first time.
I'm getting up.
Okay.
Until you complete that, I don'twant you doing anything else.
Because if you screw that up forthree days, you got to start
over.
Okay.
It just gets back to the samething of Phil Mickelson making
103-foot putts.
If he if he missed the 88thputt, he had to start over.

(42:10):
Okay.
That is the core of discipline.
Let's get one thing down andthen let's add the next.
And the next one I'd recommendfor someone to get get down
really good is we all generallywake up with negative thoughts.
Okay.
Okay, I I I I I don't want toget into the science of that or

(42:32):
why we're built like that, butwhen we wake up most days, it's
like we dread something in theday.
There's something that's andthat's generally our first
thought of the day.
So again, let's go for threedays in a row to reset that
thought when you first wake up.
Okay.
Just just say, hey, tellyourself, get get that thought

(42:54):
out of your mind, immediatelythink of something good that's
gonna happen that day, somethingthat's gonna happen later in the
day, you know, whatever it mightbe, you know, you know,
something with with your spouseor your kids, whatever.
Again, let's do that for threedays in a row.
Try to, and again, you get yougot to figure out what three
days you want to do and and whatand and make it a small little
commitment, but that's just thisthat you need to train yourself.

(43:17):
It's a training process becausedisciplined, regimented
behaviors, okay, nothing willlaunch your life further in the
right direction than doing that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
Jerry, I absolutely agree with that.
And of course, we're gonna hitthat hard here in this next one,
I think.
But I just want to say on thatnote, my morning routine, my
hour in the morning has been oneof the biggest blessings of my
life.
Not everybody can afford to doit, not everybody can do it.
Some people, everyone's got adifferent day, but I've been

(43:52):
able to make my first morning.
I get up early.
I know you do too.
I get up early, but it gives methat time to get my Head
straight.
And let me tell you something.
It's it's it's magic.
It is magic what that can do foryour day.
So I'm also you got to get thatpositive thing going first thing

(44:12):
in the morning.
Love it.
Love it.
Jerry, this is fantastic.
And now we're going to lead intothis.
So strategy number one is lowerthe bar.
You know, in our last podcast,in the last show we did, we were
talking about health andwellness, and you were talking
about people that should startwalking, and you said, look,
just walk down to the corner.
You know, and let's not worryabout 10 miles.

(44:33):
You know, if you're just gettingstarted, walk to the corner.
That was an example of loweringthe bar to get things started.
Fantastic.
Strategy number two, focus onsystems.
Boy, there's a lot of peopletalking about systems these
days, and for all the rightreasons.
Focus on systems, not goals.

(44:54):
What do you got on that, Jerry?

SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
Well, again, it's all about the process.
And um, let's just let's justcorrelate this to um, you know,
entrepreneurs and in businesses.
If you don't have systems inplace, now the systems change,
they evolve, they grow, you gotto modify, whatever it might be.
But if you don't have thesystems, you you your chances of

(45:19):
failure are going up 90%.
It's the same thing in yourpersonal life.
You must develop a process toimplement these small, the just
a couple of little smallcommitments that I just
mentioned.
You know, what's the process tothat?
Okay.
So when I when I say theprocess, you know, okay, we're
not gonna hit the snooze alarm,right?

(45:40):
Okay, well, what process am Igonna implement so that I don't
do that?
Maybe I'm gonna have my wifethrow uh some cold water on my
face.
I don't know.
Yeah, right.
But you know, whatever it mightbe, or or maybe you put a big
sticky note on your alarm onyour phone or for whatever
you're using.
Everybody uses a phone today fortheir alarm, and and you know,

(46:02):
and I did this duringbodybuilding.
My favorite thing inbodybuilding, I had sticky notes
that don't do it.
Just put that sticky note righton your phone and and and
whatever that that's part of theprocess.
So develop little processes toimplement your small disciplines
to get started.
Yes, and and and as I said, thenyou can make bigger processes in

(46:26):
bigger disciplines and longerdisciplines and so forth.
But it all does start with sometype of process.

SPEAKER_00 (46:32):
And I like the term routine.
I think again, a routine is asystem.
You know, I mentioned earlierhow important that morning hour
is for me.
That's now part of my routine.
It's part of the process.
It is a great routine.
Now, I need to add some newroutines, I need to add on to
that.
But believe me, that firstmorning hour for me, and you

(46:54):
people can start a routinewherever they think they need
to, but get a process, get ahabit, get a routine going that
helps you here.
Number three.

SPEAKER_01 (47:03):
By the way, well, before we go to number three,
just one comment on that.
Just want everybody tounderstand the starting process
is by far the hardest part.
Once you have some of theselittle micro wins going.
I love it.
I love it.
Okay, it's it's called the lawof accumulation.
Yes.
Right?
Um, or the principle ofaccumulation.

(47:25):
That that the more little winsyou get, the more motivation
starts to kick in from thoseactions.
So, you know, you're gonna haveto uh that that's why
discipline's so tough, becausewhen you start anything, it's a
hundred percent discipline.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
Jerry, we could do a whole podcast on little
discipline, on little wins, onlittle micro wins.
Because I mean, we both know howimportant it is.
I still remember David Johnsonwith us uh a couple of months
ago talking about little wins.
Fantastic, fantastic.
Uh this one, this number three,this is really one of my
favorites.
And I think this goes, I thinkthis goes um, I don't think

(48:05):
people take advantage of thisone.
And this is remove friction.
So strategy number three fordiscipline is remove friction.
Okay, so you know, I I droppedmy uh I dropped my cheese balls
on the floor already, but youknow, taking those cheese balls
or those potato chips or thoseFritos or whatever out of the

(48:25):
pantry, that is removing part ofthe problem and allows me to
achieve, allows me to havesuccess.
Uh setting getting away fromyour cell phone if if
notifications are an issue foryou.

(48:47):
Okay.
In other words, if your cellphone is always beeping and
you've got to check it, that isa distraction that's probably
interrupting your progress inwhat it is you should be doing.
Now, we all have our own libraryof problems and distractions and
issues, but let's understand howimportant designing our

(49:09):
environment is to ensure oursuccess.
What you got on this, Jerry?

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
Yeah, well, um commitment involves action and
cost, right?
So, so you know, a lot of peoplethink it's just, you know, the
discipline of the action.
Well, some sometimes there's acost associated with it.
And it could be a financialcost, but I'm you know I'm
talking about other costs, youknow, things that you have to
give up or things you have tochange, things that might affect

(49:38):
other people.
There's a cost associated withit.
And um, you know, one of the uhthis is an old uh old Zig
Ziggler thing, but you you youmust be willing to pay the cost
to enjoy the benefits.
So, you know, you you you youyou commit, you pay up front for
some benefit later.

(50:00):
And that that's the process forthat whole thing about, you
know, and and if you do that,you can start to remove, you
know, all the all the frictionand and all those things, but it
really comes down to gettingthose commitments in place.

SPEAKER_00 (50:12):
Yeah.
And then strategy number four isactually an identity shift.
You know, this is somethingthat's I think uh again,
self-talk and affirmations, butit's the belief in yourself, and
it's an important thing.
You know, we need to get awayfrom waiting for the motivation.
Again, we will we will continueto talk about this for for
years, okay?

(50:32):
Because that word motivation, itcan it can be a it can be a stop
for a lot of people.
They're waiting for the wrongthing.
Take some action, go ahead.
You talk on this for us.
I know you got good stuff here.

SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
Well, the identity shift, um, and this is something
this is a big, big topic.
I talk about um I did in all mycompanies and and and at every
every talk I give.
Um, you want to become a personof interest.
Okay, and what what does thatmean?
Okay, is that that means thatyou are a go-to person, right?

(51:07):
Somebody that people can see achange in, right?
You want others questioning you,like, hey man, what what what's
going on with John, man?
He's like, you know, looksbetter, you know, and and and
he's he's get you know, lookslike he's buying things, he's
making more money, you know,whatever it might be, you know.

(51:28):
There's a thousand examples, butbecome a person of interest
where you're raising curiosityfrom your actions.
Like people are questioning you,like, oh, hey, you know, why are
you doing this?
You know, what's going on withthat?
You know, you know, or it couldbe the opposite side of that
too.
Hey, you know, John didn't seeyou at Happy Hour Friday.

(51:49):
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
All right, right.
So so so that that that thatthat that might be viewed as is
a negative by your by yourfriends or something, right?
But the the the changes that youmake in becoming a go-to person,
somebody that others can relyon, they can count on.
And um, in my book, I talk aboutmy dad related to this.

(52:09):
Um, you know, he he was the onein our family that everybody
went to, you know.
So if you become a person ofinterest and be someone who's
super accountable, um, that'llgive you an identity shift that
will boost your self-esteemsignificantly.
And believe me, others willnotice, and they notice quick.

SPEAKER_00 (52:25):
No, I'm reminded of change.
I'm reminded of our, again, Ihave to mention David Johnson
again, the bodybuilding guy.
When he first decided to getinto nutrition, uh, he was
working, I think he was likeworking at a moving company or
something, moving heavy stuffall day.
Decided to get into it anddecided one of the things he

(52:46):
decided to do was to starteating tuna fish out of the can
for lunch.

SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
And so he would like unpack his lunch and he had a
little can of tuna fish, andlike all of his buddies were
like, What the what the heck iswhat's he doing?
You know, Dave, what are youdoing with that?
Well, that was his start.
And so, yeah, people will noticewhen you are doing things
differently.
And if you're doing things thatare gonna be good for you,
they're gonna notice and payattention.
You're right on that.

(53:11):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (53:12):
Yeah, yeah.
And and and and on those lines,you're just just never cater to
a hater.
You know, if you're doingsomething to improve yourself or
make changes, and and you know,there's a certain segment of
people out there that are notgoing to be rooting for you,
right?
So you you need to eithereliminate those people, get you
know, from your life, you know,disassociate, um, or you know,

(53:32):
uh uh put them in a compartment,compartment that it doesn't
affect you.
But um you should just make surethat you know the negative
things that you know come alongwith making those changes, uh
just be prepared for that.
It's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 (53:44):
Jerry, have you have have you used never cater to an
hate to a hater before?
I've never heard that for I lovethat.
I I've never heard that phrasebefore.

SPEAKER_01 (53:55):
You know who said that?
Who?
Uh vanilla ice.
My hero.
That's who I got.

SPEAKER_00 (54:03):
That's who I got in from never cater to a hater.
Okay, I'm gonna lock that onein.
I like it.

SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
He was talking about social media when he was when he
when he said that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:13):
I love that.
Okay.
So look, next one is strategynumber five is accountability.
And this is a big deal.
You know, whether it's yourfriends or your public
commitments or a coach, by theway, I'm gonna bring them up
again.
Let me tell you something hereright here.
One of the reasons I've nevercracked the top on this is
because I know you'd come overhere and kick my ass.

SPEAKER_01 (54:35):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (54:37):
And so that accountability with friends and
and and peers is reallyimportant, you know.
Uh what you got for me onaccountability.

SPEAKER_01 (54:45):
Well, let me just um tag on to what you just said
right there.
You know, associating withyourself that you feel
accountable to, right?
Like, like what you just said,yeah, is also a big thing.
So you got to make sure you'rearound those people that if you
are doing something that'sdetrimental or out of character
or something that's not in linealignment with your allies that

(55:07):
you associate with, you know,they're gonna call you out.
Yeah.
So so so get with those people,right?
That that's what you want.
You want truth.
You want to be around the truth.
But uh, but the accountabilitything, uh, it kind of goes with
everything I just said a minuteago.
Um, you know, it it it it's itit's the same thing with the
identity shift.
Um, but but I will say this, youknow, your your life success,

(55:29):
okay, when you go when you gothrough your entire life, will
be in direct proportion to theamount of accountability you can
endure.
Wow.
The more accountability you takeon, the more exceptional the
life you're gonna live.

SPEAKER_00 (55:43):
Wow.
Well, you know, we've said itbefore, uh, and it's so true.
The people you hang with, thefive people that are in your
immediate circle are probablythe biggest determining factor
in where you're going, whereyou're headed, and who you're
gonna be.
It's important to hang with theright people.
I'm glad I'm hanging with you,my man.
Glad I'm hanging with you.
I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
Likewise, likewise.

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
So, strategy number six is time blocking and
structure.
This has been a real tough onefor me.
This blocking out time to dowhat you need to do, that's a
tough one for me.
But planning ahead is important.
One of the people I spoke to inadvance of this session today
told me that uh he's a golfer aswell.

(56:27):
He only plays once a week.
He plays every Saturday morning.
He's got a six o'clock tea time.
He gets up at four that day.
The night before, lays out hisclothes.
He when he gets up that nextmorning, he doesn't want to have
to worry or think aboutanything.
He gets up ready to go.
He's out the door.

(56:48):
Planning your day, structuringyour time, whether that's a good
example or not, it's reallyimportant if you can do it.
I struggle with that.
I've got that first morninggoing, but it almost seems like
after that first morning, somedays my day my days just get off
the track.
I mean, they just go rollingcrazy.
What you got for me on this?

SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
Well, this falls into um a little bit of a
category I call intangibles,right?
So, intangibles, what I mean bythat is is that as you as you
become better at your regimenteddisciplines and your commitments
and your schedule and thingslike that, you won't even
realize it that the unimportantthings fall off, right?

(57:34):
Because as you're having successwith the new stuff and the new
disciplines and things that arebettering you and making you
feel better about yourself, allof a sudden you'll realize that
well, wait a second, I don'teven do that negative thing
anymore.
And it wasn't even intentionalbecause you replaced it if with
something that was moreimportant to you.

(57:55):
Um, with that said, you know,regimented disciplines um that
are uh need to be unbreakable.
They need to be unbreakable.
So it's very, very important youstart with something realistic.
You know, again, getting back tothe uh, you know, what you said
about you know bringing thingsdown to a level, you know, of of

(58:17):
of not not shooting for thewhole you know match up front
because you're just set yourselfup for failure.
Um so um you know you have torealize up front that the
process, you know, is gonna beway harder than you think, and
you gotta be mentally preparedfor that.
You know, I I I I always tellthe bodybuilding story, but when

(58:37):
my bodybuilding coach said tome, he goes, uh he goes, Jerry,
look, he goes, you know, thisthis is gonna be the hardest
thing by far you've ever done.
Right.
Well, I couldn't conceive ofwhat that meant.
I couldn't conceive what that Imean, man, what are you talking
about?
Man, I've been through someshit.
You can't even believe the hardstuff I've done, right?

(59:01):
And but I took it to heart and Idid try to mentally get myself
ready, but even with doing that,it was unimaginably harder than
I could ever have pictured,right?
So understand that whatever youcommit to, and for people that
are just starting out, it couldbe something small.

(59:21):
It's gonna be hard.
It's supposed to be hard,everything worthwhile in life is
hard.
I love it.
Go, go.
Yeah.
So so you know, be prepared.
Just be prepared.
Set, make that commitment, getthat process going, and be
prepared to commit no matter howhard it gets.

SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
So we've we've got one more, we've got one more
strategy here that we have tohit because it's called the
bounce back.
It's called the, and this isreally critical.
I mean, this is so criticalbecause we know that no matter
what commitment we make or goalwe set or plans we or intentions
we have, we're gonna fall offthe track.

(01:00:04):
We're gonna miss it, we're gonnaskip it.
Yep.
The ability to bounce back andto recover is one of the most
key skills of discipline going.
Talk to us a little bit aboutthis.
This is your fa this is your bigsaying right here, buddy.
I love this, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:20):
Yeah, it's it's it's the first thing I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:22):
Okay, go for it.
Do it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:24):
The comeback always exceeds the setback.
Indeed.
Right.
As long as you don't allowyourself to become a victim to
the setback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:34):
Right?
So, you know, setbacks are anormal process of growth and
even even major events, youknow, in and out of your
control.
Um, you know, there's that oldquote, most of you probably
heard this before, but you know,in school you're taught a lesson
and take a test, and life you'regiven a test and you learn a
lesson.
All right.
And, you know, for for peoplethat are, you know, are

(01:00:56):
faith-based, you know, it's it'sa little bit easier for them to
understand this concept because,you know, God essentially arms
you with all the ammunition.
It's a little bit we talkedabout earlier, what you're born
with, right?
You're you have everything.
It's already there.
Hello, it's already there.

(01:01:18):
You got the ammunition.
Are you willing to fire?
Right?
Are you willing to take theshot?
Right?
That that's the way we're setup.
So, you know, and and literally,you know, I'm not saying this to
discourage people, but I'mletting you know how difficult
it is.
One in a hundred take the shot.

(01:01:38):
Okay.
And that's why every time youhear about the one percent of
anything, then you're talkingabout the elite level of people
in any specific category.
And ultimately, that's what yourgoal is, to get to be one
percent in multiple categories.
First of all, let's get onepercent in one category.
Hopefully, you're one percent inwhatever your profession is,

(01:01:59):
hopefully you're one percent asa husband or wife or you know,
parent, you know.
But if you're not, you know,those are the core things you
want to excel to, get to be beone percent.
And um, so you know, it's kindof a simple decision.
Are you gonna hang out with thesheep or are you gonna sprint

(01:02:21):
like a cheetah?
That's it.
I mean, and and and and there'sno magic to this, you know,
Russell.
I I people ask me all the time,you know, they they they so
overcomplicate it.
It's a simple decision.
Am I gonna take that shot?
I've got the ammunition, but howam I gonna fire that gun?

(01:02:41):
Right?
How am I gonna make that happen?
How am I gonna overcome the fearand take that risk?
And and I don't know what'shappened to me over my life, but
now my thought process is thebiggest risk is not taking the
shot.
Truth.
That's the biggest risk.
Truth.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:00):
Jerry, that's fantastic.
Take the shot.
I love that.
I love it.
That's fantastic.
That's great.
Jerry, you've got a three-stepprocess you like to talk about
sometimes.
I think it's negative input,acceptance, and resurgence.
What do you got for me on that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:15):
Yeah, well, I mean, that's the uh process, you know,
of of you know, getting throughany like setbacks that that
occur.
You know, you're your the theinitial response to anything
that happens to you is you know,is the negative input.
Okay, and and and then you yougot to transition that, you
know, to okay, either thathappened, I screwed it up, um,

(01:03:39):
it was my mistake, I'maccountable, and and you know,
process that whole thing andtake what you learned and apply
it to a resurgence, okay, whichis the comeback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:52):
So this is how you handle the resistance or the or
the or the fallback or the youknow when you haven't been able
to do what you want.
This is how you handle it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:00):
Yeah, the the the the most important thing about
this concept is is the time ittakes, right?
So again, little minor thingsthat happen to you, you know,
most of us have the ability to,you know, okay, yeah, my
mistake, I gotta correct it, gofix it, I'm not gonna do that
again, and I'm on, I'm on, onthe path.

(01:04:22):
The the issue comes in whensomething really big happens,
something really bad happens,you know, a serious financial
loss, a divorce, a child that'ssick.
You know, these types of things,the time that you stay in that,
you know, acceptance phase isvery important to the trajectory

(01:04:43):
of your life.
You have to get through that,you know, that natural process
of you know, feeling down,feeling sorry for yourself, you
know, crying the blues, whateverit is, and and and get to the
bottom and turn that that chartand upward, upward to the right,

(01:05:04):
um, and begin that resurgence assoon as possible.
And it's really tough to do,depending on what's going on,
right?
But if you understand theprocess and you understand the
long-term outcomes and thatvirtually nothing in life is
all-encompassing, took me manyyears to get that concept.
I mean, I literally used to bedevastated by stuff.

(01:05:26):
And you know I realize, youknow, that no matter what
happens, if you look at thepositives in your life and what
you got in your family and thethings that are of true value to
you, which are, you know, allthe intangibles.
Um, there's nothing that is, youknow, asset related or you know,
things like that that that arecan break you.

(01:05:49):
Um, so you have to just, youknow, value those things and it
helps you limit that time in inthat downturn.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:55):
Jerry, we're getting close to where I want to wrap
up.
Let me tell you what I want to.
Do here.
I'm going to read, I'm going toread these six strategies that
we've laid out for working withdiscipline.
And then at the end, I'm goingto ask you which I think there's
actually seven here.
I'm going to ask you which isthe most important for you.

(01:06:17):
And now all of these areimportant, but I just want to
get your personal opinion onthem.
So let me go back and here arethe strategies that we've
covered for dealing withdiscipline.
Strategy number one was lowerthe bar.
It was a good one.
Strategy number two was focus onsystems, not just goals, but the
systems.

(01:06:39):
Strategy three was removefriction.
Get those Cheetos off thecounter.
Strategy number four wasidentity shift.
Number five was useaccountability, your friends,
your coaches, your network.

(01:06:59):
Number six, time blocking andstructure.
And then I'm going to skip overhere.
Jim, I'm going to say numberseven is the bounce back, the
ability to bounce back.
Of all of these, which to you isthe most important?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:16):
Yeah, it's a that's a tough question because they're
all extremely important.
Um, but I I'm gonna I'm gonna gowith the first one, lowering the
bar.
And and the reason is is thatthat's what keeps people from
getting started.
And I want you to get started.
I want you to take that leap,you know, get get something
going, you know, get somemomentum going.

(01:07:38):
And, you know, if if you're ifyour your vision of something is
is so far out there and it's sixmonths away or five years away,
you're not gonna start.
You're just not gonna start.
Lower the bar down to somethingmeasurable, attainable,
executable tomorrow, next day,right?

(01:08:00):
Right now, right?
Let's get some of those winsbecause when you get those
little wins, confidence goes upand they multiply.
And next thing you know, you'reonto the other six things on
that list.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:12):
Jerry, so good.
So, so good.
Jerry, listen, what what asession, what a session.
I hope, I hope people can trackwith us on this, follow through
this.
I I hope we've kept in a in alogical sequence here for people
to follow because there's beensome fabulous material in here.
This is such an important factorfor everybody to pay attention

(01:08:35):
to.
I'm so grateful for every wordyou've contributed to us on this
fantastic stuff.
Again, I want to I want toremember remind people if you
don't already have this, get it.
It's a fantastic book.
You can open it up from any pageand find fabulous material.
So good.

(01:08:56):
Jerry, thank you again fortoday.
Can't wait till we do thisagain.
So uh thank you so much.
Good to see you.
Friends, like us, subscribe.
You know all the stuff.
Like us, subscribe, share, doit.
We appreciate hearing from you.
If you've got some experienceswith discipline you'd like to
share with us, put them in thecomments of the YouTube video or

(01:09:18):
send them to us directly.
We'll put some notes in theshow.
Jerry, so good to see you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:23):
Okay, I gotta add one thing at the end.
So all right, guys, you know,wonderful session today.
You know, great to haveeverybody out, you know, and I
hope everybody gets some benefitfrom this.
But here's another little umsaying that I have written down
that um I think you should writedown and and you know, put it
somewhere where you're gonnalook at it every day.
And it goes like this focusbuilds discipline, discipline

(01:09:45):
creates habits, habits driveconsistency, and consistency
unleashes success.
That's the process, right?
Put it down somewhere, look atit, and um, you know, as I said,
you know, always get stuffreminders that you see daily.

(01:10:06):
Um I I you know, I've been doingthis for so many years, and
nothing changes.
I got it next to my bed atnight.
I have little notes in my car, Ihave down in my office, I have
little sticky notes in places ofkey things I want to, you know,
input in my mind that that areimportant factors for you know
growth and expansion of my uh myum self-learning.

(01:10:28):
So um, you know, just getstarted with it.
And again, pick one or two.
You know, you don't need 10 or20.
Pick one or two great quotesthat you love, might not be any
of mine.
You know, go find your own anduh and and and and memorize
them.
You know, that that that thoughtprocess that gets embedded in
your head will replace thosenegative thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:48):
Wonderful words.
I want to thank you again for afabulous session, and I hope
that people will take all ofthis to heart and see some
improvement in their disciplinein the days and the months and
the years to come.
Thank you so much, everybody,for paying attention to us
today.
Jerry, thank you.
I can't wait to talk to youagain.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:06):
See ya.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:07):
All right, buddy.
Goodbye.

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