Backing Tracks, Magic Pipes, and Bootleg Stars (Part One)

Corey and Kevin, the podcast royalty of the Boneless Podcast network, are joining us for a raucous episode that’s all about the ups and downs of navigating life as podcasters, with a side of hilarious banter! From parking garage struggles to the trials of dealing with bananas and fobs, we dive deep into the everyday hiccups that keep us all laughing. We also chat about the fine line between live performances and backing tracks, and how today’s music scene is evolving—sometimes with a little too much help from technology. Expect plenty of playful digs, a few laughs at our own expense, and insightful takes on what it really means to be "live" in the age of digital music. So grab your favorite snack, kick back, and let’s roll!

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Takeaways:

• Corey and Kevin bring their podcasting wisdom, highlighting the importance of authenticity in music and performance.
• We explore the evolution of music technology, discussing how digital platforms have changed the music landscape and artist accessibility.
• The crew dives into the world of unique instruments and one-man bands, celebrating creativity in music making.
• Humor and camaraderie shine as our guests share stories about their podcasting journeys and experiences in the industry.
• Listeners gain insight into the dynamics of live performances versus recorded tracks, touching on the ethics of using backing tracks.
• The episode wraps up with a light-hearted debate on favorite songs and artists, showcasing the fun side of music discussions.

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Recording in progress.
Well, that's the show, ladiesand gentlemen.
Hope you like it.
Yeah, that's like when I takea picture or, no, take a video.
And you take a video for aboutfive minutes and you turn it off
and then it ends up turning on.
It's like.
Which reminds me, Todd, Idon't know if we're officially rolling
yet.
I have questions for you aboutthe last episode, but I want to do

(00:23):
it on the air.
Are we.
Is this going to be part ofthe show?
Oh, yeah, for sure.
This is the introductionbefore I hit the int.
Yeah, you got it, folks.
It's me again with a little attitude.
For all you out here in whitebread land.
Let's see, we're on 92 FM tonight.

(00:46):
It feels like a nice, cleanlittle band so far.
No one else is using it.
The price is right, don't youfind you Crusty Dave?
This is bigger than friendship.
This is what you call cousin.
The Buddhists call it, let me see.
Reincarnation.

(01:06):
We see musi.
Hey, wait a minute.
Since when is Pismo beachinside a cave?
I wonder.
You know, I just bet we shouldhave turned left at Albuquerque and
then maybe a right turn at la.

(01:37):
Shush.
Hush, please.
Okay, so beginning of lastepisode, you're talking about all
your difficulties.
A figuring out the parkinggarage that you work at, and then
figuring out bananas and thenfiguring out doors and fobs and everything.
So my question to you is, whatfucking installation in Winnipeg,
Manitoba, needs that much security?
All the nation's defenses dothey filter through Winnipeg, Manitoba?

(02:01):
And if that's the case, helpme feel better about that situation.
Knowing someone like you is incharge of the missiles when you can't
get into your own fuckingparking garage and you somehow unpeeled
a rotten banana and then yougot your fob stuck in something like,
help me out here.
Well, that's why he's got two kids.
He got his fob stuck in something.
So wouldn't come out.

(02:22):
He could pull it out.
Oh, God, I hope he doesn'twork anywhere really important.
Is it top secret, John?
Can you divulge where youactually go every day?
Well, yeah.
Well, we got hacked.
Yeah.
But yeah, with the level ofsecurity there, like you, the one.
The one arm went up and thenthe gate came down.
I'm like, well, how the am Igonna get to work?

(02:46):
Oh, exactly.
Yeah, it was a Monday, so, Imean, it was just.
Everything just went to crap.
Hey, well, the other thing wedo at the beginning of the episode,
too, is we take a shot atMorissette for recording on the same
night as us, so.
Oh, wait, he's not recording tonight.
I said my day before you did.
I know, I know.
It's.
It's the only day I could getfrom the wife.
Like, she controls my schedule.

(03:07):
It's a negotiation.
Is it?
Like, you could have Tuesdaysand that's it?
Yeah.
Yeah, well, she works night.
Pretty much.
She works night.
So, see, Kevin's wife doesn'tlike him, so he can just podcast
any night.
I'm just saying.
In my house to basement dwelling.
Podcast, idiot.
That's, you know, that's mykind of label.
Yeah, it's just one of those.
Don't you have a podcast to do tonight?

(03:27):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Or can you find one?
You just wait on a zoom callfor someone to dial you in and just
talk?
Because I've had enough of you.
Yeah, I'm guessing on apodcast tonight.
Oh, good.
Really?
That was.
That was fast.
Yeah, well, I told my wife I'mdoing two podcasts tonight, and neither

(03:48):
are my own.
She's all good then.
Wait, so wait, you're doing.
You doing Seaside after this?
I am, yeah.
Oh, wow.
I'm hosting.
I'm running the show.
Yeah.
Wow.
Randy had enough of you.
Wait, Randy had enough Episode Spectacular.
No worries.
Yeah, it's our 200, 200th episode.
Cory's gonna host them.
We're just gonna.
Me and Randy's gonna sit backand let him talk and.
Oh, perfect.
You know, chip in there.

(04:09):
I got a lot of grief.
A lot.
A lot of things I want tocomplain about about Seaside Pod
review, so it's gonna take a while.
Well, there's lots of stuff tocomplain about.
Yeah, there is, isn't there, Sean?
Lots of stuff to complainabout on csap.
I do like the end music thatgets put on there sometimes.
I was gonna ask, hopefully youdidn't put this on the road that
you tried setting up an hour beforehand.
Oh, I did.
Yeah.
Did you ever play the lovelysong you did for Kevin on your own

(04:31):
show?
Yes, I did.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep, we played.
Well, we didn't play the whole thing.
I played a snippet in there.
It was outrageous.
Using a Gene Simmons song toinsult me.
Insult to injury.
That was on purpose.
I wasn't gonna take a TomPetty song.
Come on, you'd be a. Huh.
That's pretty good.

(04:53):
No, he's Zeke from Speedy Creek.
The one and only.
Gave nobody's fool a two outof ten.
Oh, come on.
Garbage.
Absolute garbage.
I mean, yeah, you are garbage.
What the fuck is going topoint of parody now.
Like you can't even justify a 2.
I mean, 100%.
I can.

(05:13):
On a Haskin scale, the SnowmanUCC, it might get higher than that,
but on a Kaskin scale, I neverwant to hear that pile of crap again.
It's terrible.
What does the same song get on the.
On the Haskins scale?
Well, what did we give a one?
One and one didn't.
That was UCC.
But what's the Haskin scale score?
About a five.
Five.
So the Snowman song is betterthan Nobody's Fool.

(05:35):
100%.
You need to get your head 100%.
Don't mind those guys.
We're just having a littlelike we're.
Taking over your show, boys.
Oh my God.
Well, before we started, Seanwas just testing out a rodecaster,
the first version.
And we're having a bit of.
A bit of difficulties, butthat was.

(05:55):
Could have been part of theshow, but he forgot to hit record.
So Twitch actually yelled, areyou recording yet?
And then he didn't do it.
It's always good to come on ashow with professionals where.
Hold on a.
Going to hook up this oldBetamax because I want to watch Superman
the movie.
Are we going to watch Supermanthe movie?

(06:15):
I'm.
I'm up for it.
Let's do a watch one.
I'm wearing my work shirt.
It's like, it's like acorporate now.
Well, that's what those twoknuckleheads from metal shop keep
talking about.
Or corporate AI over here.
I hear that they're team KevinBrown now, aren't they?
They're totally Team KevinBrown, which I don't understand.

(06:35):
Yeah, we got.
We got machinations in the works.
There's, you know, standby.
I like those guys.
They're good guys.
Yeah.
So.
So is there as many Batmanmovies as there is Spider man movies
there?
There's more.
I would say there's more.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow.
For you, Batman 66.
And then you have the fourfrom the 80s 90s, then you have the

(06:58):
three Nolan's, and then youhave Matt Reeves, Batman, plus all
the animated ones, if we count them.
So there's a.
And there's another one comingout next year or I guess 2028 now.
And then Spider man, you justhave the.
The three Sam Raimi's, the twoAndrew Garfield's, the now three
Tom Hollands.
So that's eight.
And then Legos too, and all that.

(07:21):
Are they all like.
Was it DC or Marvel orwhichever they're from?
Like, are they both from thesame franchise, kind of.
I know Sony actually owns theright to Spider man, and because
Marvel sold the rights tospider man for 10 bucks way back
in the 80s when it was worth nothing.
And then Marvel got sick ofeverybody fucking up their characters,

(07:41):
so they started making theirown movies, and they could never
get the rights to Spider manback because Sony kept keeping the
rights.
All you have to do is, like,make a movie every, like, three or
four years and you keep the rights.
So you actually.
There you go.
I'm spouting truth, motherfucker.
I'm theater.
I know all this shit.
I was just talking with therep from.
From Sony today, actually.
Wait, so you actually get totalk to, like, the actual reps?

(08:02):
Like, is that how a. I want.
To hear how this works.
I don't know how this movietheater shit works, so maybe fill
us in with that, because thisis good.
This is good content.
You have an actual question there.
Do you want me just.
Well, no, I just want to know,like, so when you're opening a theater,
like, how do you get themovies in?
Like, how do you.
Okay, like.
Like schmooze or deal.
Make deals.
Like, how does that work?
So what we're doing.

(08:23):
Yeah, we're an independent theater.
So what we're doing is we'rerunning through what's called a booker.
And this is a booker who booksfor about 300 to 400 independent
theaters in Canada.
We could go it alone and tryand contact every single studio ourselves,
but they're not gonna pick upthe phone for Jaghoff, Corey and
Waver in Saskatchewan Air Avengers.
Right.
But if a booker calls them andsays, I'm representing 400 theaters,

(08:45):
you get a little more buyingpower that way to get a little better
rate from the studio, becauseyou have to negotiate that first
week box office.
So Disney could say, you haveto play our movie in your biggest
theater for three weeks, andyou have to give us 69% of the gross.
Whoa.
So that's.
Wow.
So is.
So is this.
So I want to equate it.

(09:05):
So when we put our music upon, like, all the streaming services,
we had to go through an agencyor whatever you want to call it,
which is cd, baby, to.
But you can't put it up yourself.
So it's kind of the similar.
Well, you can.
You can call Disney yourselfand hope they answer the phone or
return your call and say, Iwant to.
I want to run Avengers.
And they'll say, okay, sixweeks, and we want 80%.

(09:27):
And you don't have really Alot of stroke to get a better deal
from the studio, right.
Where if you're negotiating innumbers, it kind of helps you out
a little bit.
But we have to set up anaccount with every single studio.
So all this week, they've beenreps from every studio has been contacting
us, and like, hey, we'reWarner Brothers.
Give us the technical specshere, theater, and we'll start.

(09:47):
We'll get you in the system.
Then you start.
Bucket it.
And then we set up with acompany out of Toronto, and they
actually distribute the filmsto you via the Interweb.
And it ends up on a serverthat goes right to your projector.
Whoa.
And then, yeah, it starts off,and it's locked.
Like, it'll say, okay, theOdyssey is now downloaded.
I'll have a big red X on it,meaning it's.
It's not unlocked yet.
So you got to get the serialnumber, the key from the actual studio

(10:10):
that'll authorize you to playit for however many plays you ask
for.
You plug that in yourprojector, the light turns green,
and you can play the movie.
I was gonna.
I was gonna ask that.
Do they still use film, or dothey actually just.
It's all digital now, and it'sall downloaded originally.
When they went to digitalprojectors, they would actually ship
out a hard drive, and you'dhave to plug that into something,
you know, like a server bank.

(10:30):
Now, it's not even that youjust download it.
So on a Wednesday night, it'lldownload overnight.
By Thursday morning, you gotthe movie.
There's basically steam.
Well, a little better quality,I would hope.
My wife worked at a theaterback in the day when you would get
film reels.
So you get the giant cans, right?
Yeah.
Like six reels.
So on this massive platter,she would have to splice the reels

(10:51):
together, like the end of reelone to the beginning of reel two.
Because they only had oneprojector, they couldn't go back
and forth.
And her very first time doingit, she put the last reel on first.
So a lot of folks got to seethe ending of the first Star Trek
film in 2009 before theywatched the Beginning.
Nice for one.
One special showing, but it'sthe Nolan edit.

(11:12):
Did she show up for work thenext day?
Oh, yeah.
You just had to reverse the one.
Real.
It was fine.
She handed out free passes atthe end, said, I'm so sorry.
Oh, yeah.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Hey, technology moment here.
Just so you know, when I.
Another one.
Yes.
When I Plugged the Rodecaster in.
I unplugged my mini fridge.
Oh, my God.
So I went to grab some ice andit's like, oh, that's wet.

(11:37):
Jesus fucking Christ.
Are you sure you're cut offfor this Podcasting first world problems.
My ice is all runny.
My Rodecaster doesn't work.
Our pets heads are falling off.
I can't seem to grow any hair lately.
Okay, so here's a question.
So.
So say when you.
Well, you heard the story inthe show.
We explained it.
Oh, yeah, right.
But I'll tell you, the otherstory off air is the other reason

(12:00):
they cut it off.
Okay, I cannot share that onair because it's.
It's work related.
So.
But I.
So remind me to tell you after.
But there's a reason.
It's like, oh, I'm not growingthat back anytime soon.
I've already forgotten.
It's not that interesting.
Go ahead, Todd.
You know when you.
When people say you watch amovie and it says pre DVD and it's

(12:23):
usually a movie theaterwhatnot, and someone's got a.
Either a handheld orsomething, so the.
The.
The video is kind of washedout and then the audio is kind of
warbled and whatnot.
But I've.
But I've also seen some thatare like, really, really good, and
they would have like awatermark or something at the bottom.
But I'm not sure if that'ssomething someone else put after

(12:44):
the fact or how that kind of works.
So if someone said, okay, youknow what, we're getting this movie
in.
If someone said, you knowwhat, we're gonna pirate the movie,
like just for example, howhard would that.
I guess that would be hard todo now that they've got a digital
with a key.
Unless you're feeding a secondmachine through that's doing the

(13:05):
recording while you'rewatching the actual movie.
How many movies have youpirated in your day, Todd?
I'm gonna keep very quiet onthat front.
Let's say for the sake ofargument, I wanted to rip off people
and show the Odyssey.
How could I do this?
Well, you just need a secondoutput going.
Yeah, no, you can't really dothat anymore.
Really.
The only way to do it nowadaysis to sneak in a camcorder, and you're

(13:28):
gonna get shitty footage andshitty audio and probably Chinese
subtitles, because you can'treally do that in North American
theaters.
True.
That used to be like a JoshTrank film.
Well, I wouldn't recommendgoing to see a Josh Frank film anyway.
I knew you'd get that joke.
Oh, yeah, he did.
Fan forstick.
One of the.
Yeah, that wasn't even hisfault, though.
That's when the studio said,we're taking it over and redid the

(13:50):
whole third act, and it madeno sense.
Do you think, though?
I started watching ityesterday and I had to stop because
I was watching it and.
Makes sense.
Do you think, like, do youthink he actually had a good film
hidden in there?
Is anyone else seen that?
Fantastic Four with trying toremember who was in it?
Michael Jordan.
Michael B. Jordan.
Kate Mara was in it.
Mara.
And oh, my God, who's the kidfrom Whiplash?

(14:12):
Yeah, I sent.
I saw the one with JessicaAlba, and I only remember Jessica
Alba well.
For a good reason.
I thought you only rememberedthe Human Torch because isn't that
what everybody talked about?
Shirtless Human Torch?
I mean, he's a handsome man.
When my wife went, wow.
I'm like, yeah, wow.
I can't.
I can't disagree there.

(14:33):
A shirtless Chris Evans.
You know, she must have really liked.
It when he was Captain Americathen, because he worked out in double
time.
Oh, yeah.
She enjoyed that quite a bit.
Yeah.
And I just got to live off the crumb.
The crumbs.
Hey, you say it doesn't matterwhere you get your appetite as long
as you eat at home.
That's right.
Oh, I like that.
That's a T shirt for my wife,it's Jason Momoa.

(14:54):
Until I send her the meme of apicture of him and it says, hi, I'm
Jason.
And then the second picture ishim with a lawnmower.
And this is Momoa.
Now she doesn't see him in thesame light anymore.
Wasn't he in a film?
Whenever all his hair wasmissing, it was all kind of straggly,
and it.
Was him, Jason Momoa.
He was, like, balding on top.
Sort of.

(15:14):
Yeah.
I don't know if it was a moviepart or maybe it could have been
an AI thing someone did, but.
You're thinking of JasonStatham or Jason Momoa.
No, no,.
Never had hair, I don't think.
No.
Yeah, he thinks he does.
Yeah.
Welcome to Sunnyville is theWinnipeg retirement home where people
sit around, talk aboutBoulder, get people's names wrong,.

(15:35):
You know?
You know that guy?
The guy at the corner of thosetwo streets?
He had that yellow car in the driveway.
Remember him?
Always wore pants.
What was his name?
Whatever.
Didn't matter anyway.
He's a dickhead.
Hey, I actually.
So I had a couple of thingsprepared, like we're supposed to
play at the beginning of theshow, which we totally fucked up
and didn't do.
So I have a theme song for Kumpu.

(15:59):
That'd be you, Cory.
Oh, cmpu.
So we have a theme song for you.
I got what you were throwing down.
It should be amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if anybody gets thereference, which will mean just Todd
and Kevin will get the reference.
But here's the.
The theme song for CoreyMorissette, and it's not playing.

(16:21):
Hell.
Wait, here we go.
He's hitting the road.
Caster buttons again.
Here we go.
He's on.
Please unplug the fridge again.
And from the cmpu, thePodfather, Corey Morissette.

(16:57):
Now, Kevin, do you want toexplain to the gentleman on my lower
right part of the screen why Ipicked that song?
Why would I pick that song?
Why would that be appropriateto the Godfather of podcasts?
Price?
Well, it's Satriani.
Is it?
Some.
It's not a summer song, is.
It's summer song, isn't it?
It is Surfing with the Alien.

(17:17):
A surfing.
The alien.
Sorry.
Jesus.
Yeah.
And you are the herald, inthis case, to Kumar over here.
Oh, Kumar.
No, no, the herald to Galactus.
Come on.
You're eating worlds.
I forgot about that.
Surfing with the Alien.
Not fucking summer song.
What song is that?
That's Surfing Friends.

(17:38):
Surfing course.
Okay, so I. I have Surfingwith the Alien.
I have it on vinyl.
Oh, but.
Okay, which cover, though?
Oh, well, I'm gonna.
Wait, I'll show you.
Yeah, please show me.
Are you familiar?
And show them off, Corey.
How big I am.
Corey, were you familiar withthe song at all?
Yeah.
You know, the first time Iheard it was when the Sammy Boys

(17:58):
were playing at Best of AllWorlds in Toronto in Satch played
Surfing with the Alien.
Yeah.
Oh, man, that would have beenso awesome.
Oh, no, he played Satch Boogie.
I did hear it, though.
Well, Satch Boogie was theother single off that album.
Yeah.
No, I think he played Satch Boogie.
But I have heard Surfing withthe Alien, though.
It took me a minute, but I didget there.
I thought that was really cool.

(18:19):
Okay.
Don't Mind My Dog, by the way.
Oh, it's not the original.
It's not the original.
Hell, what it is.
It's kind of cool because it's.
Oh, you've got the colored ones.
Oh, beautiful red vinyl.
And it has a second disc,Todd, with no guitar on it.

(18:41):
So it's just drums and bass,all the backing tracks so that you
can play along with it.
That is so cool.
That is.
I Cannot do.
Todd could, though.
That would sound amazing.
Oh, now Todd's got to get the vinyl.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
That's Winnipeg for Todd.
I'll have to learn the songs.
Well, you taught.
We used to play them all the time.

(19:01):
You just gotta listen once ortwice and they'd be fine.
Satch Boogie.
I had that on my answering machine.
Yeah, actually, yeah, I thinkI still have it.
It was one of those littletiny cassettes back when it was before
digital.
So can you.
The greatest dive bomb inhistory, though, in all guitar in
that song.
It's ridiculous.
I think that's actually a sex crime.

(19:21):
What do you do for that guitar?
10 to 20 in purgatory.
So bring up the COVID again.
No, not that.
The audio, listeners.
But can you point out thedifference between this cover and
the original?
Well, yeah, there's no SilverSurfer on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was a surfboard with asilver server.
Now it's.

(19:42):
It's just the headstock.
Yeah, but his silver guitar.
So talk about fucking up anopportunity of all.
Of all kind.
When the Fantastic Four moviecomes out.
The first good one came out.
How is Joe Satcharani doesn'thave a song or two in there.
RedOne and recomposed by thecomposer of the movie because he's

(20:04):
got a million songs about theSilver Surfer, Galactus, all that
sort of shit.
Where is that in the movie?
What a missed fucking opportunity.
And Joe had to take the SilverSurfer off the COVID of his album
because.
Well, you can't have that onyour album, can you?
Wait, which one is the good one?
The good album?
Because none of them have beenthat great.
No, the Fantastic Four movie.

(20:25):
Oh, the most recent one.
You thought that was good?
Dude, I'm on my fifth watchand I cry twice.
Cry.
Do I cry, too?
I'm like, wow, look at howmany dollars wasted.
Oh, come on.
It's fine.
It's fine.
I didn't hate it.
It's fine.
It's like all marvel nowadays.
It's all right.
Well, I agree.
I agree with that.
I actually like the Fantasticfor more than the current Spider

(20:47):
man movie.
Yeah, I wasn't too keen onthat one either.
It's fine.
I like the new Spider manmovie, but the Fantastic Four hit
every beat.
I wanted to see hit in the movie.
And it's about family.
And it's about, you know, family.
Well, you don't like yours.
That's.
Maybe that's the difference.

(21:08):
They banished off to the studio.
They didn't make me go to seethe new Spider man movie, sir.
I still think they should makea Jewish superhero income.
Spiderman.
I think I've missing a trickthere too, Bill.
Spiderman.
He's a proctologist.
He's got to be careful not tospin his web at the wrong time.
That's right.
What do you mean, from evil?

(21:30):
Oh, man.
Yeah, we're gonna.
We have Heath on next week.
We're gonna talk some.
Some superhero.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Did you know that guy hasinterviewed, like, everyone from
Stan Lee to.
I think he said he, like SteveDitko, definitely.
Like, I don't know, all thebig guys.

(21:50):
Like, that's.
I'm.
Yeah, I'm excited for that.
I'm not excited tonight, butI'm excited for next week.
You got to get him on yourshow and ask him all the stuff he
talks about.
Not on podcast.
Like, all the rock artiststhat actually hate him, and, like,
you know, that's what.
That's worthwhile.
I think we should bring that up.
Because they get him to sellyou his James Brown.
No, I heard the James Brown story.

(22:11):
Oh, I didn't hear the Stevie.
Next one.
Okay, I want to hear that one.
Okay.
Todd, homework.
Write down.
Grab your pen and paper.
He's already forgotten.
It's okay.
You know what?
As.
As Noman and Rory said, we'rethe AI podcast, so this is all, like,
fake right now.
We don't even have real guestson, and we're not even real people.
See, homework requires a pen.

(22:32):
Do you think I have a pen?
Of course not.
I never have a pen on hand anyway.
Well, if only we wererecording this, you could listen
back.
Yeah, we could do that.
Okay.
How many minutes in are we just.
Just write that down.
You're the producer.
Sean, help a brother out.
How many minutes are we in?
We are.
See, I don't have my glasses on.

(22:53):
We are 2144.
There's an application on yourcomputer called Notepad.
What you can do is you canopen that up and you can type in
that as the episode goes, along.
With anything you need to.
Yeah, no, I just use the AInotes in Zoom, and it just gives
me a full.
There's another AI guy, Himand Chaz.
They love their AI Now I justuse it to get show notes.
It gives me the show.

(23:13):
Not the show notes, but itgives me the talkies.
Gives me the talkies.
It tells us what we talkedabout and then.
Actually, no.
Captivate does that for me.
Anyway, regardless, don't wehave a topic or something?
I don't know.
Not my show.
Not my Monkey not my Circus.
We have a topic.

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So I wanted to have two musicnerds on, but they weren't available,
so we got you two instead.
And I was going to say, one.
Of them must not have beenable to make it, because I'm here
talking about movies for thefirst 20 minutes.
So backing tracks is a pain inthe ass.
It's what everyone's talking about.

(23:56):
The Motley Crue backing tracks.
I keep hearing about the DuaLipa backing track thing.
Does anybody know who Dua Lipais in this room?
Are you guys all.
I've heard the.
No, I.
Well, so just as a quicksidebar on that, I do the artwork
for a brewery in Saskatoon.
And I keep telling Corey thathe needs to make a double IPA and
call it a dual.
Call it dual ipa, but do aLeap or.

(24:19):
So it's.
You know.
And he's not buying it.
He says it's something aboutcopyright for.
Some or missed opportunity, man.
He's got an employer, I'm sure.
Yeah.
Come on.
So here's the thing thatpopped up that really.
That really got me.
I know who Dua Leap is becauseI have two young girls, right?
And the.
The Barbie movie came out, andthen Dua Lipa exploded.
She had a song in there thatwas incredibly derivative of, like,

(24:42):
two other songs, two ABBA songs.
Everything she writes is.
Well, she doesn't write anything.
So what am I saying?
I can't say she's.
She's ripping people off.
Her songwriters are rippingpeople off.
But she does this vocal.
Technique, not technique.
It's called layer.
There's a word for it.
But basically, before you goperform, you record the vocal and

(25:07):
you've got your processing andall that stuff.
So you record the vocal.
You go ahead and do it again.
So you do it, and I believeit's 11 times.
So you have 11 of this kind ofsame vocals.
And then when you go live,those 11 tracks are played live and
she sings along to that.
So if she decides, I'm goingto do a twirly whirl or I'm going

(25:30):
to spin around or I'm going tohave one of my dancers dip me or
something, and I'm not goingto be able to sing when that's happening,
it's okay.
There's 11 other voicessinging, but they're all her voice.
But they're all done in studioand all fixed up and cleaned up.
And then that is her singing track.
Like her main singing trackwhen she performs live.

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Are.
What do you think about that?
How does that make you feel.
And it's not even the mostloud track either.
It's.
The loudest tracks are theones that is not the live track.
I mean, it depends.
If you're going to Dua Lipashow, I don't think necessarily you're
going to hear, you know, thevocalist put on an absolute tour
de force vocal performance.

(26:12):
You're going for the show, right?
You're going through twirlies.
You're going for the backing dancer.
So I think if you're playingto your audience and you're not being
deceptive about it, I got real.
No real problem with that.
I mean, you know, it's like.
It's like using effects onstage, right?
It's like using an overdrivepedal instead of.
Instead of just overdrivingyour guitar.
You could so.
Well, what's the line with that?
What do we say is cheating?

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What isn't?
I think my issue is when.
When people try and pass itoff as being real and it isn't.
In that case, I mean, it's no different.
Like the who, right?
Baba O'Reilly.
Sure.
They played.
They were playing to tracks in.
Whatever that was.
This was like 69, 70, right?
71 or something.
Yeah.
So they.
Because they.
They couldn't play that liveQueen with Bohemian Rhapsody.
They, you know, the Scaramouche.

(26:54):
Scaramouche.
Can you fandango?
That was all.
They just played the video,the music video.
Then they come back in on the.
The big rock ending.
Is that how they did that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So for me, they're all comingback on stage.
Big explosion.
You're back into it, right?
So I think, like I said, Imean, for something like Dua Lipa,
where the points of her show,you know, like a Taylor Swift or

(27:14):
Katy Perry or Madonna, maybe,it's more about the.
The overall experience and theshow than it is necessarily just
that vocal, right?
It sort of makes some sense tome because, I mean, I don't like
you guys.
I don't really watch any ofthat stuff.
But when you see clips of itand they're running around all over
the place, you know, unless you're.
Unless you've got BruceDickinson lung capacity, difficult
to run around and sing.

(27:34):
I mean, you know, Sean, right,You're a singer.
That's difficult to do.
So I think you need a bit ofan assist on some of that stuff if
you're gonna.
If that's what you're gonna doand that's the way you're gonna put
your show out there.
That's why.
That's why I used to run whenI was.
When I was performing, I was.
I was a jogger because I gottakeep the cardio up.
Sorry.
Corey, what are you gonna say?
I'm kind of same with Kevinthere on that one.

(27:54):
I think as long as you'reupfront with it.
I think a lot of people haveissues with bands and they say we're
not singing the tracks at all.
Then they get caught singingthe tracks.
I remember when Bon Jovi gotcaught on his this House Is not for
Sale world tour, where thethings started skipping and he clearly
was just miming along.
That's what I think peoplehave a big issue to.

(28:15):
If Motley Crue came out andsaid, yeah, our background vocals
are tracks, we're singing onthem too.
But we really want a fullersound on our background vocals.
So we're playing.
We know we're playing thealbum background vocal or what have
you.
No one would have an issuewith it.
People have issues when it'sokay, well, they accused Tommy Lee
of miming to a drum track.
Like, how.
Why the do you do that in 2026?

(28:35):
Or, you know, Mick couldn'tplay, apparently.
And now Vince is reallystruggling because he's had, you
know, two, three strokes.
Give the guy a break.
If they came out and said,yeah, we got a little extra help
for Vince because he'srecovering from a stroke and he's
doing his best and he'ssinging, but you might hear a little
fuller vocal.
Yeah, we're helping him out.
Honestly, that's what's missed.
See, that's my biggest gripeis the honesty.
There is none, like from.

(28:56):
From any of these people.
Because.
Todd, you go ahead while Igather my thoughts here.
Well, when it comes to bands,like when the singer is not singing
and it's a background track,then that's a no, no.
Like, why bother being there?

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You're basically justentertaining, lip syncing.
So that part I would say no,that's not even like.
Even if you're honest aboutit, it's like, why would we bother
to come see you?
I mean, sure, you maybe rerecorded the song in studio and that's
what you're playing.
So it's a little bit differentfrom the original.

(29:37):
Otherwise everybody going,that's exactly like the original.
That sounds like, you know,but you know, because when you go
see a band live, they alwaysusually do a few changes in the song
just so you know exactly.
That it's not a recorded song.
Like they change it up.
But as for the Band playing asa backing track.

(30:01):
Oh, God, that, that.
I can't know that.
That, that's no good either.
But when I like.
But when we saw, say, when Isaw the Eagles, I'm never here.
I mean, all the guys are old.
They need help.
I mean, when you were, whenyou were watching them play, if you
actually.
And I was.
I was high up, so when I waslooking down, you could see everybody

(30:24):
in the background.
So, I mean, Glenn Fry wasplaying a little bit, but there was
someone behind him doing, youknow, the lead parts or whatnot.
Joe Walsh, but Joe Walsh tendto, you know, he's still pretty,
you know, good with hisfingers, but it depends on the person.
I mean, some guys are a little more.
They age a little rougher thanothers, so they need a little bit

(30:45):
more help.
But the sound of it was great.
Everything was in view.
Everything was good.
You watch the Rush concertthat goes on, Getty needs a hand.
There's a guy behind him doingthe keyboards.
He announces everybody who's there.
Yeah, I mean, obviouslyeverybody knows Annika's not the
original drummer, but that wasthe whole reason for the tour, was

(31:09):
to kind of celebrate Neil.
So they're.
And they're not putting.
They're not putting makeup onAnnika's face to make her look like
the cat man either.
They're not, they're not lyingand saying it's actually Neil in
the band.
They're actually being honest,saying, hey, we have a replacement.
Sorry.
Yeah, there is one.
There is one point, I guess.
There's a bag that comes outand it's like a, like a caricature

(31:29):
of Neil on the front, but.
But it's more of a.
It's more of a gag.
Yeah.
The guys turned around andlooked at her with this bag on.
They started.
One thing about Rush is theygot tremendous senses of humor.
Right.
So you do that during a show,they're going to laugh.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's.
For me, it's okay.
I think with, with tracksspecifically, it's.
I think it's okay if you'refilling in bits that you can't do.

(31:50):
Sure.
You know, they just don't work.
Right.
I mean, there's, there's like.
I said, listen to all the,like a lot of funk and that kind
of stuff too.
And, and they, they gotta usebecause they've got like these Arpeggiati
cable parts.
And the keyboard player alsoplays sax.
Well, if he's playing sax, hecan't play keyboard.
So over produced, they have todo something.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Because, well, my mate Randysays, right.
I mean, you know, you sort ofwrite the song in the studio and

(32:11):
then you figure out how tocover it live.
Unless you're, you know,unless you're like a straight ahead,
like a punk band or a straightfour piece where you're not doing
any dubs, any overdubs oranything, you're just playing straight.
But I mean, who the hell'sdoing that these days, really?
Not very many people.
Right.
So you've only got one guitar player.
You're kind of stuck thereunless you completely change the
arrangement, which is cool too.
Okay, so like I said, if you're.
Miming though, to like thatwhole thing about Tommy Lee miming,

(32:33):
like Arsenal, bring in adifferent drummer.
That's.
Yeah, that's outrageous.
Kiss used to like have akeyboard player, but backstage, right?
Like, they're not evenbringing the guy out.
Like Aerosmith.
What?
Really off to the side of the stage.
Really.
He eventually did bring him out.
Like, he got closer and closer.
Like he was side stage.

(32:54):
Yeah, Baby steps.
You'd be able to see like aquarter of the.
Of the keyboard.
And then they'd bring him out.
He'd just be in the back withno lights.
Then they'd put a light on him.
And by the end of the finaltour, he was right up there with
the replacement drummer for,for oh, Jesus.
Name escapes me.
Joey Kramer.
So, yeah, he was.
They eventually brought him up.
Yeah.
For the longest time he wasjust backstage.

(33:15):
Why hide?
I'd say I never.
Here's.
Here's a problem I had.
So I was watching the TaylorSwift concert because I didn't have
a choice.
And what I.
What I find with like themodern pop era with Hidden miss musicians,
they, they do it all the time,the pop people, right?
Like, yep.
They're not going to bring theband out on stage because nobody
really wants to see the band.
And I'm like, what?

(33:37):
Like when Rihanna had, like,had Nuno Bettencourt playing for
her, like, Nuno's not on.
Like, I don't know if he wason stage.
I know he would be on stage,but he was.
Yeah, just not well lit.
But.
Yeah, but why wouldn't youwant to have your band?
Isn't this a music concert?
Like, wouldn't you want to seehow the music's put together?
No, most.

(33:57):
I mean, you gotta rememberthat a lot of people.
Not, I wouldn't say most, butI mean, people going to those shows,
they're not, they're not musicFans in that way, I don't think they're
not sitting there picking apart.
I wonder how they're gettingthat tone on that synth bass.
Or they're just thinking, Ilike dancing to this.
Yeah, right.
So at that point, it's like, Idon't care if they see the band or
not, or if I just.
The dancers are cool.
I don't care.
I don't care who's playing what.
I mean, you look at.

(34:18):
It was Kanye west when he didGlastonbury, came out and announced
himself the great, thegreatest living rock star.
And then essentially may aswell just have had a boogie box on
stage, because there was no band.
It was just literally playingto a backing track.
Yeah.
Rapping, I guess.
Obviously a little bitdifferent, but same thing.
So people don't care.
You know, we're the old crustywhite guys now.
We're going the way thedinosaur man.
But do you think.
I always wondered, does ithave anything to do with.

(34:41):
Look, Corey, you may shit allover yourself about this, but you
do play drums.
You are a musician.
Whether you agree or not, you are.
You play the basis definition,but you.
Are still playing along tosomething, right?
You're listening to AC DC orwhatever it is, and you're playing
along.
So you're actually learning bybeing active how the drums sound

(35:03):
and how the drums work.
So when you're playing, you'refiguring it out.
But now when you listen,you're probably a bit more aware
of, oh, he's doing this here.
Because I noticed on the show,you notice, hey, he's doing a triplet
here.
You're actually picking shit up.
So you're actually applyingthe knowledge you have to the music
you're listening to.
And you're findingappreciation in the drums, right?

(35:24):
And I think as musicians, Ithink we all do that.
So when we listen to a songand there's no instruments at all,
it's just, somebody flushedthe toilet, put the mic in the toilet,
hit flush, and then they loopthe beat around that, and then it
just plays through the whole song.
Like they're just using sound effects.
So it's not actual music music.

(35:46):
It's just sound effects loopedinto a beat or into a bass line or
whatever, right?
So.
But people don't care aboutwhat the music sounds like.
My theory is, if they don'tplay, if they don't know what a guitar
really sounds like, do youthink that actually matters?
Do you think that's why peopletend to only care about the lyrics?

(36:09):
Sometimes they don't Even careabout the melody.
They just care about the wordsthat are being sung.
Corey.
I was.
I've been waiting for Todd.
We gotta wake Todd up here.
Well, with the keytar, forexample, when that came out, it was
like, okay, well, you getsomeone who's got a new sound out.

(36:31):
So I mean, it doesn'tnecessarily mean that, you know,
you know, what the guitarsounds like or the bass or the drums
or the spoons or whatever.
Like, there's so manydifferent instruments out there that,
you know, we probably neverheard of or, you know, or have heard.
And as time goes on, when youlisten to music, every once in a
while, there'll be this.
What is that?

(36:51):
It's something that they'vethrown in.
And you almost have toresearch it to say, like, what is
this noise that's in here thatwas never here before?
It's like when people arewriting music, like you said, when
you're flushing the toilet,it's white noise.
Like, it'll.
It'll fill in, you know,whatever you need.
You could put your, you know,microphone there, flush the toilet,
get that whirly swirly sound,and you could definitely add it to,

(37:15):
to a.
So we were, we were talkingabout that the other day.
I was watching somebody on YouTube.
They had a.
A pen.
They were just clicking it andthen they were scratching something,
and then they looped it andthen they added it to the song.
You can do it with whateveryou want.
That's like where pots andpans came from.
Like when we, when we weregrowing up, we're trying to make,
you know, trying to be our owndrummers type thing or, Or a washtub

(37:38):
bass where you had one stringon a, on a 2x4.
When you're.
Oh, this makes noise.
Cigar box he made.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a guy thatplays a shovel on.
On YouTube.
He's got four strings on.
It's like a.
And the thing sounds great.
It's electric.
You know, it's got pickup on it.
It doesn't have to be aninstrument that's around now.
But the, but the really thing,if you can innovate something to

(38:01):
sound like nothing else andactually have it instead of doing
one particular noise.
Like, if you hit something, itmakes a particular noise.
But with a guitar, we have allthe strings.
You get all the frets.
You can go up and down, youknow, and the drums, you get the
rims, you get the differentsizes, you get the different tightnesses.
There's just so many variablesto an instrument.

(38:24):
It doesn't have to besomething that you.
That you know.
That's why stuff like AIpisses me off.
Because back in our day, ifyou wanted to like create music,
you'd have to get like four friends.
You have to find a rehearsal space.
You don't have to getinstruments, you have to learn how
to play them.
You'd have to suck for a long time.
You have to keep playing andkeep playing and get better, get

(38:45):
better, write your own stuff.
And then next thing you know,you're in a band, you're a musician.
Now you just go to Suno andyou type in, I want a song that sounds
like this and this and this.
And it'll rip off a hundredother things and then vomit out this
fucking piece of crap.
And you're saying, oh, thatsounds really good.
And you're going to releasethat as something.
And now I saw today whatSuno's getting sued for what could
amount to be a billion dollarlawsuit for copyright infringement.

(39:07):
Because of course that's allit does is infringe on copyrights
and what other artists are doing.
So, you know, there issomething, at least one of my proudest
moments as a father.
I took my kid to see BuckCherry and Alice Cooper and we got
like second row and I askedher afterwards, like, what was your
favorite part of the concert?
She said, well, I lovedwatching Buck Cherry because she
had a huge crush on the singer.
He had no shirt on.

(39:28):
But she said, like, butwatching Alice Cooper, I loved watching
them play and like trying tofigure out because there's a.
There's three guitar playersin Alice Cooper.
Like, I loved watching NitaStrauss and the other two dudes,
like, who's playing what section?
And she was enamored watchingthe musicians.
It wasn't about the.
The show or the spectacle.
She was watching the band andI thought that was really cool because
I'm kind of doing the same thing.

(39:48):
I watch.
You must have been all weepingfor a totally different.
I was watching Nina fortotally different reason because
she's wearing the tail oftheir pants and it's like.
But yeah, I get.
Yeah, she can play too.
Todd, what was that soundeffect we're supposed to institute
into the show?
We're gonna use it as our.
Know what before we endrecording, we're all gonna do it

(40:10):
and that's gonna be ourspinning sound for this.
The wheel of.
Don't drag us into your.
Your sex games.
I'm having nothing to do with this.
We have this thing.
We have this thing at workwhen we're like something really
bad happens and then the oneguy goes.
And then everybody all does ittogether in harmony.
It's beautiful.

(40:30):
I gotta.
Record that.
You need me to play some soundclips for you?
You're a big fat curly headed.
I got a few.
Do you think some of youtalking about kind of, you know,

(40:51):
with Suno and with some ofthese bands these days, you know,
who was the.
Who's the idiot who put that out.
Put out that AI song.
Who was in a band?
Corey, we were talking about.
You mean Al Yankovic?
Who.
No.
People thought was AI?
You heard that joke?
One is introducing me to somenew music she just found on Spotify.

(41:12):
What's it called?
Weird.
It's called Fat, but it's called.
It's from Weird AI.
So AI.
So Weird AI.
So AI made.
This is.
This is from Weird AI.
Yeah.
And Weird AI made a songcalled, called Fat and it's funny.
Yeah.
And it's supposed to be like from.
A song, like from others.

(41:32):
So like.
Oh, so AI took.
It's like Thriller.
They just replaced the lyrics.
Gotcha.
AI took like Michael Jackson songs.
Yes.
And replaced the lyrics.
So instead of like Thriller,it's filler.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, go.
This is Weird AI.

(41:55):
How'd you find this?
Jc or my friend.
This is weird AI.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
So I. I think that what thatmisses for me at least anyways, if
I write a song and I take asong to my buddy Randy and I go into

(42:16):
the studio, record it, it.
What I enjoy is the process ofdoing that.
Yes.
It's not really the end product.
I'm as.
As.
I mean, you know, you want theend product to be cool and you put
it out there and if peoplelisten to it, awesome.
But the process of making thatmusic and coming up with something
that didn't exist before,that's the thrilling bit, that's
the exciting bit.
And I think that that's why,you know, quote unquote, real musicians,

(42:37):
that's why they do it.
It's the same with going on stage.
It's like, well, I could go onstage of mine.
But yeah, at that point, I'mjust a dancer.
I want to go and play my guitar.
And if I can't play itbrilliantly, maybe we go play different
songs then.
Or maybe we do.
Maybe we'll work around it andI'll, like you said with the Eagles,
right.
Bring in a different.
Bring in another guitarplayer, make sure they're on stage
with you.
Then the audience knows whatthey get and you're still There.

(42:58):
I just don't see the point ofjust the product.
The end sort of that productbeing the.
The focus rather than the process.
Because process is.
That's.
That's the art bit of it.
Right.
Yeah, actually, that's it.
Because they don't want to payanyone else to.
To do the.
Sarzo has no money.
Like, he's broke.
He's never been in a popular band.

(43:19):
No.
Like, what's his net worth?
His net worth is a paltry 4million, I think you said.
Right.
Something around that.
Is it really only 4 millionfor all the albums he was on?
What the did you do with your money?
Cocaine.
Lots of it.
Wow.
He should be worth way morethan that.
The Aussie albums alone.

(43:40):
Just that alone.
That's right.
Sharon doesn't pay anybody.
Never mind.
Well, nobody.
Just.
He doesn't write anything onthose albums.
He's not getting writing credit.
I mean, he's really then just a.
Bass player, just a hired gun.
And like.
Like Robert Trujillo orwhatever when he joined METALLICA.
Here's a 1 million signing bonus.
Yeah.
Like, are you what you're getting?

(44:00):
25% of the entire Metallica Corporation.
Yeah.
That day changed his life,.
You know, quit after one yearand you're set.
Yeah.
Where's Bon Jovi has 14musicians, I think are in Bon Jovi
right now currently, andthey're making minimum wage sections
of.
Interesting.
They're getting minimum wage.
Yeah, they're making less thanminimum wage.

(44:20):
They all eat at John SoupKitchen in New York.
Phil X is the only musician.
They're going.
God, I feel so lonely up here because.
So Rotary.
So Rory.
So very.
John Shanks is there wheelingaway in a guitar that's not plugged
in because he can't play anything.
Oh, fuck.
Don't bring up that.
Don't break it up.
That motherfucker.
Take that name out of your mouth.

(44:40):
I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
Putting Phil X and Bon Jovi islike putting platinum rims on your
garbage can.
Joke.
Putting platinum rims on yourpedal van.
Kevin.
Hey, hey.
At least that's a vehicle.
Okay, Allegedly, Todd brought.
How many times did we getstuck last year on the podcasters
retreat?
Only once.
Okay, so Todd brought upsomething interesting earlier, and

(45:01):
we're totally fucking.
I still want to keep with thistopic, but Todd brought up something
that was very, very interesting.
That brought up an interestingpoint which brings up a category
of pass or go.
How about that?
Excellent.
Look how that works.
Wow.
The link magician.
Yeah.
I hand over My Master ofSegway title to Sean McGinty.

(45:25):
So Todd was talking about.
Oh, I've already spoiled it here.
Wait.
What are you looking at here?
Here we go.
Anyway, so just.
Just close your eyes andpretend you don't see anything.
So this guy.
We're gonna keep it.
Keep the.
The excitement for theaudience because they can't see this
video.
But there was a guy that I sawplay live, and he didn't have a proper

(45:50):
instrument, so he built his own.
So I want to play.
I don't.
You guys have probably neverheard him before, but I want to play
just a little bit.
And it's a live video, sothose that are in.
Not here, can't see anything,but whatever.
Anyway, I've seen this.
I saw this guy at Folk Fest,and he performed three or four times

(46:10):
at Folk Fest.
And this is his instrumentthat he built himself.
So you guys ready to hear this?
You guys ready?
Oh, no, no.
Let's go back to the beginning here.
The Moon is disgusting.

(46:30):
Yes.
It's a great title.
So this is called the Magic Pipe.
That's what she said.
So it's a PVC pipe with astring with two strings, one on each
pipe.

(46:50):
Sam.

(47:20):
It's obviously got to run into some.
Kind of effects unit then.
Oh, yeah, Mike's up at the top there.
So, yeah, there's a trigger.
Triggers on the top inmultiple points and then foot pedals
on the bottom to control thedistortion or.
Or whatever.

(47:44):
He's gonna rock out here in a second.
Just give him a second.
He's got a floor tom or a kick Dr.

(48:08):
The bigger the pond is, thefatter the ge.
The deeper the water.
The deeper the free, thesweeter the blood is.
The adds electric guitar here.

(48:33):
He's got the snare.
Okay, so immediate reaction from.
From you all.
Are you spending the wholevideo going, how does.

(48:53):
How is he doing that?
How's he doing that?
Are you actually listening tothe song?
How's this thing to the song?
Yeah, a little bit of both.
I mean, it's.
It's the same with any ofthese sort of gimmicks, right?
It's even the same with, like,Black Keys, White Stripes, you know,
Royal Blood.
Just get a band, man.
Come on, guys, and make it a band.
I mean, I get it, but some EdSheeran, Same thing.

(49:15):
Like, come on, dude, just geta band now.
You're a millionaire.
Just.
You know what I mean?
It's cool, but I mean, wouldyou want to sit and listen to an
hour and a half of that Ithink that might start to wear on
you a little bit.
You know, Sean, I sent you alink in the chat for the Kevin Brown's
Get A Band.
This is one of my favorite oneman bands.
He calls himself Steel Beans.

(49:37):
Steel Beans.
Steel Beans.
And I think he's wonderful,that one guy.
I mean, it's cool, right?
Like, it's super inventive andinteresting, but.
And the song was.
The song was kind of cool.
Yeah.
But just like I said, you're making.
You're making life really hardfor yourself.
Sure.
So looks like a Kevin.
So here's the interestingthing about this dude.

(49:58):
So I get.
I got a chance to meet him,which was fantastic.
He's like the friendliest guy.
He's also friends withBuckethead if you know who Buckethead
is.
Oh yeah.
And Buckethead is another guywho's just fucking weird with his
music.
Right.
But so this is just like onesong and he's.
And he's got like an album andit's all kind of similar to this,
but he also has other instruments.

(50:19):
He's built.
He built a boot.
It's fucking.
Probably fucking Josh sendingme messages here.
I better turn him off.
He's like, why aren't you streaming?
Because we're not streaming.
So he built a boot with a micin it and he does percussion on the
boot.
He also has a saw blade thathe's got pickups on it that he plays

(50:44):
the saw blade.
He's just kind of bending itand going.
And he does over the Rainbow.
Somewhere over the rainbowwith it.
It.
So fairly talented guy.
So he's like.
All this music is just like alittle bit strange.
Bizarre, right?
So this is what's his main set.
When he played the main stage at.
At Folk Fest and it's like,oh, this is, you know, this is awesome
stuff.

(51:04):
So then he goes and plays atthe side stage and the side stage
is where they grab.
Where they grab one musicianfrom this band, one musician from
that band.
And then they, you know, andthey kind of.
They kind of build like a band.
Okay, well, we're going tograb you.
You're going to play bass andwe're going to grab you and you're

(51:25):
going to play guitar and we'regoing to grab.
You're going to sing and it'sall made up music on stage.
It's like a live jam.
And.
And so they threw him in witha bunch of jazz musicians and he
was playing bass on his magicpipe and he was playing jazz like
Miles Davis y kind of Stuffand whatever.

(51:47):
And I was like, holy fuck.
Like, I thought he was justlike a, you know, kind of weird geek,
kind of bizarre, you know,buckethead sort of music.
But now he's playing jazz,like flat, like straight jazz.
Okay, thank you.
Found it.
Yeah, just straight jazz.
Hi, Donda.
Anyway, so he just plays likein pure jazz.

(52:08):
Like, not like weird shit, butactual jazz, you know, like Vince
Garibaldi or Miles Davis or whatever.
Like pure, pure jazz.
Nat King Cole, like just jazz,jazz, jazz.
It's like, okay.
Holy fuck.
How the fuck did he do this?
So then he played a freeconcert in the campground in Pope's
Hill.
So there's this big hill forwhen the Pope came to Winnipeg.

(52:31):
And he sets up a stage thereand does a free show and does a complete
techno set, complete EDM music.
Like.
Like that shit.
It's like.
Yeah.
Holy fuck.
So his magic pipe is kind oflike, kind of a cool thing, but he
can actually play it as anactual mic.
Not kitschy or weird, but asan actual instrument.

(52:53):
So he's not always staying inhis lane.
He's like, this is just, youknow, one song out of his catalog.
But he's never staying in hislane, so at least he's not.
Yeah, he's a one man band, buthe's doing something interesting
with it, if that makes sense.
A lot of those guys, though,they are like incredibly talented.
Right.
But they just get a bit boredwith the conventional thing.

(53:14):
What's that?
PVC pipeline.
And I'll go and see if I cando something that.
Yeah.
And to get something out of itthat's actually in tune, you got
to kind of know what you're doing.
Right.
So this, you can imagine thatinstrument is probably like a one
of a kind, right?
Oh, yeah, it got stolen.
No way.
Oh, no way.
Yeah, it's like.
It's like a flute.
A flute is just basically atube with a bunch of holes drilled

(53:36):
in it.
Yeah.
Really?
And you don't really know whatit's going to sound like until you.
But at some point, I mean, I'msure it was.
The very first one wasprobably made out of wood.
Right.
And then you had to whittleout the holes and.
Yeah.
You know.
Or however they did it.
That's right, Herc.
That's right.
That's really true, Todd.
A flute is just a pipe.

(53:57):
Yeah.
That's profound.
Yeah.
Well, you blow through that one.
But his abs or PVC tube, heput a couple strings on it.
Do you see?
IV like, like irritable bowel abs.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Real chop.
He built that while having ibs.

(54:17):
That's really impressive.
Driving home and notices hisinstrument at the side of someone's
house.
That's another sound effect.
Drain you.
There's another guy, which Ithink Kevin might know who is.
There was a guy named Xavier Rudd.
He was a one man band guy too.
What do you think?

(54:38):
Yes.
Plenty of those guys.
I mean, I was listening toMuslim Katie Tunsall the other day.
Same type of thing, right?
She'd use a loop pedal, bigblack horse in a cherry tree, and
suddenly I seen all that kindof stuff.
So she'd do Ed Sheeran does iton stage at Me and Karen went inside
sheer and L. 10, 12 years agoor something before he was like,
well, he's probably massive bythen, but I'd only just heard of

(54:58):
him, so I didn't know hebigger was.
So we went to that show andseeing someone do that live on stage
and build those parts up andhave it not suck and not be boring
was super interesting.
Now by the encore, I'm like, Istill think you'd be better with
a band.
If you've got a really goodband together, you just sound better
just to.
Back them up, you know?
But watching it is give themroom to do.
Do more stuff.

(55:19):
Super impressive.
Yeah.
Right, Sean, that's your cueto play Steel Beans.
Now.
The link is in the comments.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Don't forget, you can hot.
You can hide it for passing Go.
You can hide the screen.
You just put it on your other.
Monitor and we'll still hearthe sound, you know?
All right.
You can't teach an old dog newtricks, Kev.
You should know that.
I mean, I. I can hear myfridge running now.
That's good.

(55:39):
Hey, we're getting somewhere.
But now I don't have any icefor my drink, so I guess I gotta
drink it fucking straight.
Well, you gotta show the video.
Oh, this guy.
Oh, fuck.
Yeah, I know this guy.
Okay.
Okay.
This is awesome.
Show the video.
This guy's awesome.
Playing an acoustic kit andelectric guitar and singing at the
same time.
Yeah, this guy's awesome.
Okay, let me just share this.
Share.
Not the guy in the street, is it?
He's got his legs.

(56:00):
He goes up and down when he plays.
Hey, wait, we get it.
We get.
We got to give her a vote onthe pass or go on the last.
On the last guy.
Was it.
Was that enough to listen to?
To.
I would.
I would give it a listen.
Yeah, I'd give it a go.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, a certain mood would be.
Yeah, I mean, I've seen himplay like three times that one weekend
and then like twice after that.
Like I see him every time hecomes through.

(56:20):
He's awesome.
Okay.
Steel be.
Oh my God, Todd, have you seenthis guy?
No.
Okay, he's got his.
No, I do.
I do recognize the.
Was it Dan Electro or.
I recognize his belly sears guitar.
Like, what is that a honey?
Okay, let's.
Let's play.

(56:41):
This is a true passer.
Go.
Are we going to do a versus aversus between steel beans versus
that one guy?
All right, here we go.
This one's a minute, so.
Sure.
Okay.
I'm just listening to thewhole thing.
All right, let's go.

(57:20):
How do you do that drum roll?
He's got like a double bassgoing on or something.
Yeah.

(57:59):
Has got a lot to answer for, man.
The first.
First in.
The first thing that comes tomind is this guy was on like a five
day binge playing World ofWarcraft in his basement and.
And now he's just taking a break.
Yeah, we gotta do someexercise, man.
Yeah, more cheesy poofs.
Just like there's one of thoseguys who on the Internet there is

(58:20):
literally nothing he won'tmasturbate to.
Nothing doesn't exist.
Including his own video.
Exactly.
Ye.
Hey.
Okay, this is.
This might be a piece ofWinnipeg lore.
Todd, do you remember that guyon public access when we moved here?
There was a guy, I can'tremember what his name was, but he
had a big fro and he had hisguitar and he would play and he had

(58:43):
like.
Remember those little liketrampolines, like single person trampolines
you could have in your living room?
It's just barely big enough tofit your feet on and you just jump
up and down.
Well, on the Public access, hewould play his guitar on there.
And jumping up and down on hislittle mini trampoline.
Do you remember that guy?
I've always said that you havea different view of music than I

(59:08):
do.
I have.
No.
And the things.
No.
And the things that interest you.
I just.
I don't.
They're kind of off the wall.
Like, I. I can't relate.
I. I don't know.
Hey, you can.
You can add shit to the passor go categories.
I haven't seen you addanything to pass or go.
So if you don't like the musicbeing played.
Come on.
It's called jump on the dit chord.

(59:31):
Put a couple suggestions in there.
Or you can use the topic too.
We didn't play Kev's intro song.
But I do like that song.
That is a good song.
He does play it very well.
It's just the visuals kind of.
Ladies and gentlemen, I wantto see it.
I want to welcome Kevin Brownto the show.
We didn't intro him, so herewe are.
We're going to intro him.

(01:00:06):
Oh, Kevin,.
I don't like you.
So Randy's got to play thatevery time you come on.
Like, every time you introduce.
Introduce yourself on UCC on your.
On seaside pod.
Thankfully, I have themicrophone, so he.
Will listen to every damn wordI have to say.

(01:00:27):
You know what?
I do it because.
I do it because I love you.
And it's easy.
It's fun to tease you.
It is fun to tease you.
I gotta say, though, I think Iwon in the theme song category.
I'm gonna play mine all the time.
Oh, especially.
It's appropriate.
It's appropriate, right?
Yeah.
Goosebumps.
I got that Gene Simmons thing.
How come you get the coolstuff and I got the Gene Simmons?
Wait, who's your leastfavorite person?

(01:00:47):
Corey.
In music?
John Shanks.
So let's.
Kevin and I are going to gosee a Bon Jovi tribute band, and
we're going to hold up signsand say, john Shanks can lick my
taint.
Hey, Kevin, can you.
You and Randy maybe puttogether a John Shanks greatest hits
sort of song for Corey?

(01:01:08):
Would that be.
I don't know.
Oh, my God.
I was listening to Mixtapesfrom Hell today.
You said the funniest thing.
You're.
You're talking about the Survivor.
You bought the Survivor albumor whatever, backgrade, and you said,
it's Survivor's greatest hits.
And I'm like, no, you got that wrong.
Survivor's greatest hit.

(01:01:28):
Yeah.
One song on the album.
Oh, it's Tease.
I'm sorry.
I know you like, once.
I only know one song.
I only know one song.
They had a few minor hits, too.
I will say.
They're just known for that one.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a good song.
It's a great song.
It's a damn good song.
It's iconic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the greatest sportsmontage song ever.

(01:01:50):
All right, so what are wevoting on the Steel Beans guy?
Because people want to know.
Oh, that's Go all day.
Yeah, let's go.
That's.
I'm gonna get Steel Beans toplay my wedding anniversary dressed
like that.
His gut is mesmerizing.
Show up at the bar.
Just drink down.
Okay, Just start playing.
You know, it's just full oflint as well.
It doesn't.

(01:02:11):
There's no.
There's no, you know.
Oh, no going on down there.
So everyone gave it a thumbs up.
Everybody gave it.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Okay.
So if we had to.
If we had to compare that oneguy to Steel Beans, who wins out?
Who's the most entertaining ofthe two?
You.
I thought still beats was more entertaining.
Myself, but I agree.
I think.
So I'm gonna dissent.

(01:02:32):
I'm gonna go that one guy.
Because I think the song was.
I like this song more.
I thought the song was moreinteresting anyway.
But yeah.
Steel Beans.
And I like these drumming likehe's doing those runs with one hand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For innovation.
The guy with the tube, Iguess, wins.
But yeah.
Inventing his own instrument.
Yeah.
And then having to rebuild ita second time after it got stolen.

(01:02:53):
And like, Todd put it up.
Probably sounding totallydifferent now too, because.
Yeah.
A flute is just a pipe with holes.
For life, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't know how to get thaton a motivational poster I could
hang in my bedroom.
That's right.
Material to use.
Big bald head.
A flute is just a pipe.
Maybe with a cat hanging from a.
Tree or something from the flute.

(01:03:15):
Hey, we.
We've got a new shirt.
Yeah, we need that.
There you go.
A flute is just a pipe.
Every week we should have adifferent Todd Music musing.
Yeah, Like Rickisms.
A drum is just a bucket with askin taped over.

(01:03:35):
Oh, Jesus.
Oh, that was good.
Wow.
It used to be leather.
That's true.
Yeah.
Skin.
We had one at home.
It was a bongo or something,but it had a skin from a deer or
something on it.
Thank you for listening andwe'll see you next week.
And bye.
Have a good day.