Episodes 361 & 362 — Combined Special Edition Featuring Daryl Dwarf of the Killer Dwarfs, with Corey Geek - SeanGeek and FastFret Podcast

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When I'm not drinking bourbonor writing blues songs, I listen
to the Sean Geek podcast overon SeanMcInnedy CA.
And you should, too.

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Hi there.
There's my brother.
Hey, bud.
Todd.
Hey.
Hey, how you doing, Todd?
A minute ago, my name was Stracy.
I had a chick's name.
I had a chick's name a minute ago.
Stracy, my wife.
I didn't realize that her la.
I'm on her laptop and I didn'trealize that her zoo.
Her zoom thing is set up onthis or some.

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So, like, before we officiallyget started or anything, I just want
to say thanks for coming.
Appreciate it.
Yeah.
The Dwarves have always beenkind of like our Canadian band, you
know, I like that going out inthe world and it's like.
But those guys are ours.
Like, you know, there's kindof like a pride, you know, there's
always like Helix and Triumphand those guys.

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And those guys are great andeverything, but, like, the Dwarves
were ours, you know.
That's what it kind of like to me.
And that's another reason whyI say I really love Winnipeg.
Because, like, that's why Iwas so stunned when that crowd turned
on me.
The Maiden crowd.
We have a huge fan base in Winnipeg.
We have a huge fan base in Winnipeg.
I really don't think they evenrealized I was Daryl Dwarf.

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They probably didn't.
They probably didn't becausewhy would they put two and two together?
I mean, I did a radiointerview that day on your local
radio there, but I reallydon't think they put two and two
together.
That.
That was me.
Because we're.
We're loved in that town.
We were just out there withHelix two years ago and sold out
your casino there.
And our show was the best oneof the night.

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They loved us.
So, anyway, I like.
Like I said, I'm happy to hear that.
That you guys embraced us like that.
That's cool because there's alot of great bands you could have
turned to, but.
Oh, man.
No.
The Dwarves or something.
Because, like, the songs are.
Were always different.
Like, they weren't.
I don't know.
But there's something aboutCanadian rock that's always kind

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of positive.
It's not.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's just.
Well, we're.
We're definitely a different.
We're definitely that underdogband with the little man fighting
syndrome kind of guy that'sagainst the world rust work.
Exactly.

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It's.
It's awesome.
I mean, it's.
I Love being in this band forthat reason.
Right?
Yeah.
I mean, it's been a fun ridebecause we're.
We are different and.
And we're.
We just don't give a.
And we always get over.
Seems like we're alwaysgetting over.
I mean, our whole career andwe just don't care.
And.
And we're like, look, man, youlike it or you don't.

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You take us or you don't.
But the lyrics, you know, Igotta credit Russell on this.
He's the band's lyricist,unlike Neil Peart was for Rush or
whatever.
But.
But Russ's outlook is very,you know, fight for the little guy,
you know?
Yeah.
Stand up and fight and life's good.

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Just have faith.
That's why the Dwarfs are always.
Yeah, and that's what we're about.
I mean, he's writing lyricsabout how we live and how we feel
like it's not.
When he writes songs.
He writes songs for me.
Writes songs for his lyrics,you know, I can believe in the lyrics
he writes.
Yeah, I live that.
I live that way myself.
So it's a cool story.

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To kill a dwarfs.
40 years together, boys.
Wow.
I look pretty good for a guythat's 85.
I look all right, don't I?
Your hair isn't as nice as ours.
Ours.
But we'll let that pass.
Yeah, my wife's in the hair industry.
I'm lucky that way.
She kind of keeps me in linewith the hair thing.

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But the only reason my wifemarried me at being a hairdresser,
the only reason she married meis because she didn't have to do
anything.
Ah, there you go.
You're a low maintenance hair guy.
That's right.
She loves you.
Yeah, she does.
Yeah.
Wow.
So anyway, so I'm.
Welcome to the Sean Geek andFast Red podcast.

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You got me Sean Geek.
We got Fast Fret down there.
That'd be Todd.
And we got Corey Geek, who'son here all the effing time, which
is great.
And today got Daryl Dwarf fromthe Killer, Dwarves, from Automan,
from Sphinx.
Yeah, a whole bunch of other stuff.
Laidlaw, my other band thatNikki Sixx worked with me on that.

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Thanks for having me, guys.
Yeah, thanks for coming.
Thank you for having me.
Sorry about.
Sorry about last week.
We were supposed to do thislast week, but I was just not up
for it.
I was going through some.
Some stuff medically and I just.
I'm fine.
I'm healthy as fuck.
I'm good.
Oh, trust me, I had someissues there last week.
I wasn't feeling so good.

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So I'm feeling better now.
Not Covid related, nothing.
I'm ready to go on theMonsters of Rock cruise now.
I'm going to be getting on ajet on Tuesday and flying down to
Miami and God knows what thehell is going to happen to us down
there, right, you guys?
It's insane, dudes.
You told me to carry the show, right?
Am I carrying the show?
You got a ton of questionsbecause don't give me that opportunity.

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I'm worse than Ted Nugent.
Don't give me the opportunity.
You don't want to give me that opportunity.
No.
I will say though, about thiscruise thing, like, we've been on
seven of them now.
This will be our seventhMonsters of Rock cruise.
I love them to death.
I loved all the family, allLarry Moran, all these people that
run this thing.
It's top notch and it's all80s metal and it's so cool.

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This is different this year though.
It's been a real pain in theass, I'm sure, for Larry to even
put this cruise on.
It's been canceled twice andthis time they said we're not pulling
out on this time.
This is going down.
We are not canceling.
Everybody figured it's goingto get canceled a third time.
You can just feel it, all therestrictions in place right now,

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like in Toronto and everything.
But no, it's a go.
And we're a few days away fromflying down there.
And the only bummer is all therestrictions, guys, all the stuff
we have to do, it's insane.
And we're the bands too.
We're doing the same thing.
The people, the fans have to do.
There's no special bandtreatment here.

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And then the fans are here onthis cruise.
We're all on a boat together.
And we all have to go protocolwith all of it together, which means
testing, mainly the rapid test.
It's been a pain in the ass,I'll tell you.
I've had to.
I've had to download two appsto my phone.
One was a government app thatis a border crossing thing.

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Another one was the actualcruise app itself.
Now with Royal Caribbean, theywant you to have download the app.
They, they, they want you todo photos right on the app with their
camera, like your camera, butthey're attached to your cameras.
They know it's you.
You have to put your Pfizer orwhatever vaccine you have.

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You have to put thosedocuments into the, into your files
on, on the app.
They got it all.
They got everything.
It's already Pre set up foreven board.
I was wondering how that worked.
Like, because the last one,the last cruise was what, pre Covid
then, right?
Yes.
Okay, so this is your firstone post or.

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Yes, yes.
And it's been a wholedifferent ball game completed.
And we're not on the damn boat yet.
It's not happening until weactually walk on the boat.
Because that's how I feel.
I feel like we're not.
We're not on it till we're onit because we have to test on Monday
and I'm bringing my wife andmy daughter on this cruise because

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we usually bring family.
We all do.
Because it's a nice vacationfor everybody.
And they all have to get tested.
So on Monday we have had tobook a test.
It's a rapid test.
Yep.
We have to go test.
And I have to hope that theother members of my band and their
families, whoever else isgoing, we all test negative.

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Because if any of us have thisOmnicron bullshit, it's over.
We're not going and we're notreplacing members.
Like, let's say I, I have it.
It's like they're not lastminute gonna call in like, you know,
Fritz from Helix to do thegig, right?
It's not gonna happen.
It ain't happening that way.
It's either the dwarves orit's not the dwarfs.

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So we're a little bit nervous.
I mean, everybody feels great.
But I know people that havehad this thing.
Over 35 people that have hadthis new variant and half of them
didn't even get sick.
Yeah, nothing.
They got nothing, man.
Half of them didn't get sick.
And then there's people.
And then there's some peoplethat had it that never got tested,
that had it that never knewthey had it because they were hailing

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hardy.
Right, like right asymptomatic.
Yeah.
Right.
So it's a bit of a gray, weirdarea right now for a cruise.
And cruises are petri dish anyway.
You always get some crap whenyou leave a cruise.
You get sick of some kind ofgerms or something.
It's crazy.
Washy, washy.
They say you walk around theboat washy, washy.

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They're always spraying yourdamn hands with pesticides.
How long is the cruise?
Five days.
The cruise is five days?
Yeah.
We go down into Coco Cay.
It's a.
It's an island that's a bigtheme park.
And then we go to Cozumel as well.
Two stops and then back to Miami.
Wow.

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Yeah.
So how is, how is the COVIDrestrictions going to affect the
VIP meet and greets.
Well, great question.
And then.
And I was just going over thewhole cruise over my itinerary.
I. I finally got my itinerary and.
Oh, I'm really excited to saywe're playing the pool stage this

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year at 8 o' clock at night onthe first day on the sail away.
We get to play at 8 o' clockat night.
Just when the lights arecoming up and everything.
It's like a prime gig, like onthe pool stage.
The whole boat's on this thereat that point.
So, yeah, we got the best slotwe've ever had yet.
Who are you between?
Do you know who, like who elseis on that one?

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We're not.
There's no conflict.
So there's a buck cherries on in.
In the theater before us, butit's not conflicted.
Nice.
They play an hour before we doand all the sets are an hour long,
so it's pretty cool.
So there's no conflict this time.
Buck Cherry plays before usand I can't remember the other bands
that are on that day.

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There's some surprise bands,guests, and I don't know what it
is.
Oh yeah, but I was just saying.
I went over the itinerary andthere's meet and greets and everything.
They're doing it all.
They're not going to rip thefans off.
So it's.
It's double vax, I guess.
Right?
Probably to even go.
Can't get on without it.
Yeah.
Then that makes sense.

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Yeah.
And everybody's.
And everybody's tested beforethey get on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, and everybody's tested.
Yeah, everybody's tested as well.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
We got a test 24 hours before.
You can't be safer than thatlike you're doing.
Not really.
But apparently some of thesedamn cruises are still people getting
it.
Even after all thoseprotocols, there's still 10, 20 people

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getting.
Yeah.
Getting little outbreaks herewhen they're getting off the boat.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm not going to worry about it.
I'm sick of it.
I'm so sick of this.
I know you guys are too, butI'm just.
I got triple vaxxed for sakes.
I. I complied.
I wear the mask.
I did everything.
Let's get back to rock androll again.
Let's get back to living our lives.

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This is over now.
Let's stop this now.
Yeah.
That's why we got.
That's why we got vaxxed.
Yeah.
I got my third shot, actually, today.
Oh, good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm.
I'm not feeling great.
I'll be honest.
No, I got.
Did you get Pfizer Moderna?
What'd you get?
I got Pfizer three times in mythird shot.

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I felt terrible for a week.
I don't know why.
Yeah.
Over a week, I felt like frommy third shot.
I don't know why.
Because the other two, I never noticed.
Yep.
Yes.
Never noticed it.
I don't get that.
I don't know if my third shot.
I was gonna say my kids gettheir second shot today.
They're five and seven.
So.

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Yeah, Marlo got my daughter.
Marlo had to get hers,obviously, for the cruise, so we
were lucky to get her.
About a month ago.
She got her second shot.
She got her second.
Sweet.
Yeah.
Because it's got to be 14 daysbefore you can't sail.
Yep.
So I was really nervousbecause they weren't offering my
daughter a shot, and.
And the second one, andbecause they were waiting and said,
well, we got to get her thesecond shot.

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It's got to be 14 days beforewe sail.
And they booked her 15 daysbefore she was going to say, oh,
that was too close for me.
Give them any reason not tolet you on, and they'll do it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So we.
We were proactive.
We went to a vaccination site,one of those malls, big mall places.

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We just stood in line and gother in.
Nice.
Because she had, like, enoughtime, had passed.
Six weeks or both.
But we had to be proactive orI wasn't really gonna.
I didn't want to risk it.
You know, 15 days before, justright on the cusp of it.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The cruise itself.
When you guys are on there, doyou guys mingle with everyone, or

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do you guys have the bandskind of have a segregated area where
they're kind of away from thefans, like, so you don't get mauled.
Well, this is the.
This is the magic of theMonsters and Rock Cruise.
And I think that's why it'sbeen so successful.
It's because the bandsactually do hang out with the fans.
We do anyway, for sure.
But we're always like.

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Not everybody does, but we.
The bands have their own areasto go where they don't have to be
around fans, privaterestaurants, and things like that.
Right.
But when you walk out onto thedecks or go anywhere on the boat,
you're subject to running into whoever.
When you get on the elevator,you're on the same elevator that
everybody's on.

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There's no VIP thing where youcan go hide away.
I mean, you could sit in yourcabin the whole cruise and stay in
your little bars.
VIP bars where we can go.
But why do that?
Like, I don't.
I don't.
Why, why agree to be right?
Why agree to be on a cruisewith your fan base if you're not
gonna.
What's a party?
Give them your time.

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That's why they're on it.
So it's really cool.
Everybody I know is cool.
Like Master Cat and LA Gunsand all this.
They're.
They.
They hang out.
They go out and walk around,sign autographs, meet people.
They.
Outside of their meet andgreet, they're always visible.
Everybody's were visible.
Almost everybody.
I'm sure Alice Cooper won'tbe, you know.

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Yeah, but I mean, you know,but he might be once in a while,
you know, I mean, you're on aboat, man.
There's nowhere to go.
You gotta walk around.
You got.
If you want to sit in the sun,you got to go sit in the same sun
that the fans are on.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So what are you drinking there now?
I'm curious.
Drinking a Heineken?

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Ah.
Yeah.
I didn't want to.
I just put it in a glassbecause it's.
I've been on other podcastsslugging beers, and it just.
I know it's rock and roll, butit's kind of like I'm not an alcoholic.
I just.
But I do like drinking beerswhen I do an interview.
My first beer, boys.
One.
I've had one beer.
That's okay.

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Maybe it'll be more by thetime we're done.
I was.
I was gonna have a.
A drink there till the.
The COVID thing.
It's like, really.
Well, here's how I look at it.
If we're all stuck together inthe zoom crap now and we can't hang
out with people, I mean, it's.
We can hang out now.
It's starting to lighten up.
But we might as well be in ourhomes and just be relaxed when you're

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doing podcasts and interviews.
I mean, I. I just got into agroove of doing lots of interviews
during the lockdowns, reallockdowns, or.
We weren't allowed to go out.
We weren't supposed to go out.
I said, well, you're going tobe in my living room, and I'm going
to sit and have a few beersand chat with you guys.
And I find that's justrelaxing, comfortable.
Doing interviews.

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So.
Yeah, I used to record.
I used to record over there inTodd's studio.
Oh, yeah, that's where.
That's actually where we cutour CD was in that room there.
And like, that's like.
That's the studio.
But ever since this Covidstuff, like, I set up my own studio
down here.
I got my own recording roomhere, too.
When was the last time youcame down to the studio?

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Two years ago.
Yeah, it's been a coupleyears, probably.
Yeah, it's been a while.
Yeah.
We went through the same thing.
I didn't see Russ for over ayear and a half.
He lives two hours north ofme, and I didn't go see him at all.
I mean, I didn't see anybodyin the.
In the Killer Dwarfs for ayear and a half.
And you can believe that we'rein the same room.
Weren't in the same room at all.
It sucked.
It was ridiculous.

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Did you guys ever think ofdoing, you know, the bands when they.
You saw like, the four camerasand they're all playing together,
but they're all in different areas?
Yeah.
You guys ever think aboutdoing something like that?
No, we didn't, but we could.
Easy enough, I guess, but we.
I don't know what it is.
I mean, you guys have.
Have you seen the Killer Doorslive over the years?

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I saw you in Montreal.
Okay, well, if anybody that'sreally familiar with a Killer Dwarfs
live show, it's.
It's hard to be the KillerDwarfs on the screen.
We're just for.
Dude, we're just four guysplaying music.
I mean, the Killer Dwarf showis spontaneous.
And a comedy show too, right?
It's part comedy.
Right.

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Like when I saw you, you guysactually play off of each other.
You're not.
Okay, I'm on this side of the stage.
I'm on this side of the stage.
And this is my little.
You know, my little cubicle.
My.
This is where I work and this.
No, you guys are actually likehaving fun and jamming.
Yeah, it's very interactive thing.
Sometimes I come out and talkand it's just like.
It's spontaneous.

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Some days I don't.
Some days I do.
Some days Russ calls me out,some days he doesn't.
It's.
It's just a very.
I won't say loose.
It's a very tight band.
But it's.
But it's spontaneous when it's.
It's good for us because we'renever bored because we don't know
what's going to happen.
And Russ is Really funny.
And he's got this comedic sideto him.

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Right.
He could probably do.
Stand up and be.
Do very well at it becausehe's very witty with some of these
things he comes up with.
Damn, it's funny as hell.
So I don't know what givennight he's going to be, what mood
he's in and.
And there.
And this.
This wouldn't work for that.
This is just like.
That's why I don't think weever even entertained doing this

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kind of music geek thing.
Four of us being musos.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, we're.
We're.
We're great players, I'll saythat, but we're not that muso band
with the four of us rippingout for you guys.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Watch us.
I just find the screen.
It's like, let's watch thesemusos kick ass.

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I don't like it.
I don't.
Well, I gotta say, there's a.
Like, there's a lot of organ.
I don't know if it'sorganizations, but, like, there's.
Two Minutes to Late Night.
They were doing their bedroomcovers series, and they were doing
it, but the reason they weredoing it was donate on their Patreon
give.
You know, throw some money our way.
We're putting this togetherfor you.
And they would bring in, like,the guys from Mastodon and.

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And Right.
And all that.
But what they would do is allthe money they made, they would use
to pay these artists thataren't getting paid right now.
So they were actually puttingit together as a sort of a trust
fund to pay musicians throughCovid, so they could actually get
paid because they couldn't doany shows.
And to me, that was like, wow,that's fucking cool.
Well, that's a different thing.

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And that is really cool.
That.
That's like.
That's almost like a charityfor musicians kind of thing, right?
Yeah.
You know, that's cool becausethere's no,.
Like, that union or anything,like, you know.
Yeah, not really.
You know.
So that's a different.
That's a different angle, andI think that's cool they did that.
Yeah.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with that.

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That's the right way for doing it.
So can I. I gotta ask you a question.
This is just from me here, but.
So I saw you guys in Montreal.
I lived in Montreal for alittle bit, and you guys were on
tour with Skid Row and Pantera.
All right.
Wow.
You saw that?
Well, that's awesome, dude.
I thought you saw us in a clubor something.
You saw us at Verdun Auditorium?

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No, no, that was.
So that was my last night inMontreal and I actually, I was on
a flight the next morningmoving back, moving to Winnipeg and
I went there with my, my buddyTracy and we went to see the show.
And I hadn't seen the Dwarvesbefore, but I mean, I saw the videos,
I heard all the albums, youknow, like, you're, you know, our
Canadian band.
Right.
And I never heard of Panterabefore, before that night.

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What a RO fan.
What a band.
Yeah, so we'll get into thatin a minute.
Go ahead.
Yeah, but so the question Ihave, like, that is probably my favorite
show.
Like just everything, thethree bands.
How old were you?
Not dating.
Not dating yourself.

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That would have been 1990.
I guess.
So I would have been.
You're like nine years old?
No, no, I'm 50.
Okay.
Yeah, so you were in your, youwere in your like 20s, 30s?
Yeah, early 20s.
Yeah.
And that show like changed mebecause it reminded me that as.

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As rock bands are, they'regoing out there, they're bleeding,
they're sweating on thatstage, they're giving their all.
It's all about we're a realband, we're making real music, we're
performing.
It's all about the fans.
And I saw that show, I waslike, oh, yeah, that's what music's
all about.
So it was a favorite all timeshow, which is why I wanted you on

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the show because that, youknow, that changed everything for
me.
What was that tour like?
Like with those two bands?
That's a good show.
You, that's a killer packagefor you to see.
The only bummer about that wasit was at the end of.
Of metal, if you remember.

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That was the tides returningand changing.
We just did Method of theMadness came out.
We're at the end of a recorddeal with Epic and they didn't renew
it and they signed Pearl Jamand then the grunge invasion happened
and we all went away.
We all went away until 2001.
So that was our swan song tourwith Skid row and Pantera.

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We never did another tourafter that.
Actually, we did a bunch ofclub tours after that and went underground
and.
And went away is what happened.
So I guess you were touring onthe Dirty Weapons album?
No, that was Method of theMadness, Jerry tour.
Oh, no, that's 93 or whatever.
It was 94.
I don't know.
Oh, was it 90 around 93?

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Because that particular showwas 90, was 1990.
And far Pantera's secondalbum, second album with like Anselmo
and all those guys, like,where they were doing the heavy sound
post Cowboys From Hell that was.
They just released it.
And Skid Row had just releasedSlave to the Grind.
Right.
And we were touring Method ofthe Madness.
So not Dirty Weapons, that was.

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Mike was out of the band andJerry Finn, who's in the band now,
was in the band.
So your timeline's a littleoff there.
Yeah, I might be off there.
It was around 92.
I could Google it.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
You were at the, you were atthe damn show.
And that is the tour.
And we toured across Canadawith that.
And the cool thing is.

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Well, how did you get thatshow though?
Sebastian Box, friend of mine.
Of course.
I get a lot of good fortune byknowing the right people, like Steve
Harris.
I don't know if you notice,there's a theme here.
They seem to like me and theythrow me on shows.
Yeah, literally.
Sebastian got us on that,that, that.
Tour because, like on a tour,like with their, their tour, like

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their, their second albumdebuts at number one.
They're, you know, I mean,they were always the talk of the
town, but like, hey, we had,we debuted at number one, we sold
a ton of copies.
They couldn't ask anyone else.
Like, that's.
Yeah, I know, but, but we'reone of the favorite.
But think about it though.
The Dwarfs were pretty bigband ourselves at that time and we
just put out our third albumon Epic Records and Sebastian's a

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huge Dwarf fan.
And so he said, absolutely.
So he's awesome.
He's been a friend forever too.
Hey, he loves the Dwarfs.
There's, there's pictures ofhim and all the rock mags wearing
their T shirts from back then,like in Metal Edge and all those
wicked hipper.
He's wearing Dwarf shirts allthe time.
And those.
Lots of them.
Anyway, he's, he's, he's afriend and a fan of the Dwarves,

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but he's seen it as, what aperfect package to sell out the arenas
to help sell tickets.
The Dwarfs already do their.
Have their own fan base and itjust made sense to him.
So he went to Doc McGee andDoc McGee knows the dwarfs, said,
are they available?
That'd be a great middle band.
So we ended up doing a tradeoff with Pantera because they hadn't

(25:51):
broke yet.
So we were opening some nightsand they were opening some nights.
Yep.
Right.
Skid Row headlined.
But we would go on second or,or third.
We would switch it up AndPantera was a cutting edge band that
nobody had ever heard before, really.
And they were so different andso heavy and so great and like you
could just feel the tides ofrock changing.

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Pantera was part of it too.
They were part of it as well.
And they.
Things got heavier and darker, right?
Oh, yeah, with them.
And then grunge came in and they.
Grunge was here.
Dark death metal and heavy thrash.
And all this was over here.
All the hair 80 stuff left and died.

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And that's just how rock androll rolls, you know?
I'm sure I've been in it for40 years.
I've survived four decades ofplaying in the Killer Dwarves or.
And in other bands.
And I can tell you if you wereborn in 60s or.
Or if you're a 60s band coming up.
I'm sure they looked at the70s stuff and said, oh, every decade

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things move and change.
I'm sure they felt the sameway I felt when Kurt Cobain came
along, when Casey and theSunshine Band came along in the 70s,
you know?
You know, all these rock bandslike Aerosmith and Kiss, they're
going, we got to write a discosong, man.
This shit's huge.
It's.
It's just.

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You gotta roll with it, man.
You gotta figure it out.
You got.
You gotta roll with it.
Or, you know.
You know, Russ and I weresmart, though.
We.
We did the right thing.
We bowed out and just.
We just bowed out and didn'tsay anything.
We just said, let's just.
Let's wait and see what, whatthis is gonna do.
This.
This Kurt Cobain guy could behere for a minute or he could be

(27:39):
here for a decade.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Next thing you know, he'skilling himself.
So, I mean, I don't know.
We kind of just waited it out.
We just went and did otherthings and I moved to California
and I joined a band called Laidlaw.
And I got very lucky and NikkiSixx signed the band.
And next thing I know, I hadgood fortune again.

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And I was on tour with ZZ Topand Leonard Skinner all into shit,
man.
I was touring with Motley.
I did like huge tours ofmotley cruelty in 98, 99, 2000, 2001.
So you just got to be patient.
Don't panic in any business, man.
I'm telling you, I'd be abusiness model guy.

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Telling you right now, don't panic.
Don't, don't, don't freak out.
Calm down.
It's good.
Things are never they'realways moving.
They're never going to bestuck and stay the same.
And things evolve.
There's always another door.
It's another door that's goingto open for you eventually.
It's.
You're not going to be hangingin a closet dead.

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Like, just relax.
Yeah.
And.
And that's what.
What we did.
That's.
That's what I did.
I won't tell you what it was.
Wasn't easy.
I mean, it wasn't like a cakewalk.
It wasn't like, oh, you know,I mean, I was.
I was sitting there with nogig at one point going, what am I
gonna do?
You know?
When the Killer Dwarves losttheir deal and Russ and I decided

(29:04):
to just go away for a while, I was.
You know, I had this soulsearch and that's going to be in
my next book, all that.
I had to figure it out.
I had to figure it out.
And I just threw fate to thewind and I jumped on a jet and I
went to la, because LA waswhere I had a lot of connections,
because recording DwarfRecords with Andy John's and all

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that.
And there was this Southernrock band that wasn't flavor of the
month at all in any way.
They were called Moonshine.
And the leader of the band wasa friend of mine, and he actually
worked for our guitar playeras a tech on one tour, and his name's
Craig DeFalco.
And he offered me a gig withtheir band.
They were looking for a drummer.

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And I told them, well, I'm looking.
I'm.
I'm thinking of doing moremoney making things, studio work
and different things that Iwanted to do.
I go, you know, Craig, we allknow that starting a new band costs
a lot of money.
It's usually out of your own pocket.
And he goes, no, no, I.
But I have.
I have Doc McGee involved, andI have a Nikki Six, and I have all
these people, and I.

(30:08):
Come on, bro.
I've heard this before, right?
Yeah.
I kind of threw my trust inhim because everybody's got somebody
that's gonna save them.
Oh, yeah.
But it took him a while.
Took him four years, but hepulled it off.
And he convinced Nikki to signthe band.
And we did two records.
Nikki produced one and BrianDobbs produced the other one that

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worked on Metallica's Black album.
And I had a killer run withthat band.
It was so fun.
We played all arenas and theaters.
We did two huge Motley Cruetours, you know, but it was at the
time when no Doubt Was a bigband again.
Flavors, right?
Flavors of music.
We were Leonard Skynyrd.

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We were like Skynyrd.
We were the new Skynyrd.
We big biker guys look likeZach Wilde.
That's what Wade Law looks like.
They're big dudes, like six.
Six guys with tattoos.
Really cool looking band.
But it's Southern rock.
Southern hard rock is whatLaidlaw was.
And the records just didn'ttake off.
They stay sold Respective.
But never even with Nikkibehind was on his label, Americoma.

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We got.
We.
We didn't get the radioairplay, right?
We didn't get radio.
We got great touring supportand great fan support at the shows.
We got encores.
It was so cool.
We were playing in front of18, 000 people a night every night.
But it came to an end becauseit didn't.
Couldn't have a life after thetours because the fan base.

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Didn't build a fan basebecause there was no radio.
And what do you do, right?
It ran its course quick, youguys up, up and gone in four years.
And Russ was calling mesaying, let's get the band back together.
We got a number one hit in Japan.
So I flew my ass back toToronto in 2001 and we put it back

(32:02):
together.
We did that live DVD reunionof scribes.
And then we had another.
Right.
We had.
That was a new find for melast week, by the way.
And I'm like, what the is this?
Oh, this is good.
This is good.
It's like, you know, you guysstill sound great.
Thanks, man.
So anyway, I was just gettingyou up to speed.

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Quit.
I don't want to go too muchmore into it because I'm gonna be
writing about all this shit inmy next book.
But that gets you up to speedwith where we're at sort of now.
We did 2001 to 2005, we tourednorth America.
It was the lineup of Dirty Weapons.
We put it back together.
Russ, myself, Mike Dwarf and Ronbo.

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But again, the climate wasn'tquite back.
The touring circuit, it wasn'tback yet.
2001 to 2005, it was kind ofslim pickings for shows and we weren't
seeing the kind of money weneeded and to play our show the way
we like to.
And so it kind of ran itscourse again.
And then we went underground again.

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And that's when I put Auto man together.
And Russ did some solo stuff.
Had a band called Penny Blackand he did his own solo thing.
Wireless record, he did.
Yep.
And then in 2013, that's whenthings were Starting to feel good
again for metal.
And it was a retro classicrock kind of resurgence of 80s rock.

(33:32):
Right.
And that's when Monsters ofRock Crew.
That's when Monsters of RockCrew started.
And I really have to commendthat cruise because it got all those
bands on a boat together andlaunched a movement again from all
those LA bands to us to whatever.
It all gave us a vehicle totravel on and get our together and

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get back touring again.
And that's what we've beendoing ever since.
So that's great news.
We've been touring solid since 213.
That's the longest run otherthan Covid us over and shutting it
down again.
Yeah, we.
That's the longest run we'vehad in a long time.
And now we know that we can dothis on our own terms and that's

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what we're doing.
And so there's no reason forus to stop again at all.
Unless.
Unless a goddamn pandemicshuts us all down for.
Isn't that nice though?
You guys, like.
I don't know, I. I feel likeyou guys never really sold out.
You guys kind of did.
No, we're the dwarfs.
This is what we do.
And it was your sound.
It was like your songs.

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Like, I. I know in the bookyou're talking about there's couple
of songs that you guys werekind of forced to do.
But I mean.
Well, there's never any forcing.
But it's.
It's like that We Stand Aloneand it's not my favorite song.
It borderlines on beingcommercial for the killer dwarfs.
And sure, nobody forced us todo it.
They needed us to do it.

(34:54):
They wanted that song.
They wanted another song.
And you're under a bit ofpressure to come up with something.
Thankfully you came up withsomething that was better than like
Cherry Pie, right?
Right.
I mean, there's that.
Don't get me wrong, We Stand Alone.
A lot of fans love that song.
I mean, don't get me wrong,it's just something that we have
never got our heads around toplay live.

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We don't feel it in our heartswhen we play the song.
We've tried to play it live.
And we look at each other like this.
This is not going togetherwith Union of Pride and Keep the
Spirit Alive and Dirty Weaponsand Last Laugh and all these other
tracks that go through the set.
It just.
It just doesn't seem to takeoff for us.

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I don't know what it is.
You have to be us, I guess.
No harm done.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I Have a question.
So the band pretty muchstarted off.
Almost as an indie band.
You know, your first album was.
On Attic Records.
Yeah.
Indie label.
Yeah.

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Would you guys be doing that again?
Nowadays, I mean, nowadays youdon't have to have a label.
You don't have to have studio space.
You do, you know, all yourrecording at home.
Is that something that theband's looking at doing?
Well, it's a great questionbecause everybody's doing that.
It's not just us.
That's where we're at now inthe music industry.

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Like think about it like.
I mean, let's use Motley Crueeven, for example.
They.
They form Motley Records andlong time ago and.
And basically controlled their whole.
Their whole catalog afterthat, you know, and.
And sort of.
We're doing that now as well.
So we.
We did sign a temporary deal though.

(36:40):
I don't know if you heardabout this.
Three years ago we signed ashort temporary deal with the EMP
label.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Elson.
Dave Elson.
Right.
Yep.
And we gave them some of ourback catalog, newer stuff.
So Russ gave them the wirelesssolo record just for them to distribute.

(37:05):
Right.
We gave them Start at One,which is our last actual recording
that we.
We've done.
Do you know the story aboutStart at One?
The Start at One record?
I do, but I think for thosethat haven't read the book, you could
probably.
Okay, well, I don't want to go.
We don't want to go longwinded about start at 1.
My point to you is we recordedrecord before the grunge thing hit.

(37:28):
Yes.
And then we shelved the recordbecause we couldn't get anybody to
sign it.
We shelved it and then we putit out in 213 and toured behind it.
Yep.
And it.
So an old Dwarf record cameout and was heard by everybody.
It's so cool.
It's like it was frozen in time.
It's the last material wewrote after Method of the Madness.
It's cool.
So it's pretty cool.

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Really cool.
Yeah.
We gave them that record.
They have that for now, but weall have it back now because the
label is no longer now.
Yeah.
And I don't really want to say.
Why don't we.
No.
A little bit of a. Yeah, let's.
A little bit of a yeah.
Something that Dave got stuckcaught up in unfortunately.

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Feel bad formerly because he'sactually a really nice guy and it
kind of him over pretty bad.
He got fired from Megadeth andhis label is gone.
So.
So we're.
We're okay with it because wejust wanted all our stuff back anyway.
And we just wanted.
I was.
I wanted to ask about thatbecause I'm like, oh, shit.
Are you fucked with your stuff now?
No, not at all.
No, because.

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Because we.
We didn't sign anything away.
We just lent it.
Like, how do I.
How do I.
How can I put this properly?
It's kind of like lending themthose records, then they had control
of them for a short time.
Okay.
And then we get it back whenthey're gonna lease.
Yeah.
It's like leasing them those albums.
Yeah.

(38:52):
You guys put them out.
You're gonna get a cut.
We're gonna get a cut.
You're gonna market it.
You're gonna help us market stuff.
Get it out there.
That's sort of what happened.
So what about the earlycatalog, though?
Like, what's.
Is that still tied up with the labels?
The early catalog is all overthe place.
Attic Records.
Yep.

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That first album with HeavyMetal Breakdown, we never owned that
from day one because we signedour publishing away to Attic.
And we knew what we were doing.
We knew it was the wrong thingto do, but it would give you money
for video.
We were a glorified bar band, bro.
Nobody was off.
Nobody was offering us arecord deal.
Yeah.
And for us to actually get arecord deal, like I say in my book,

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the lawyer said, sign you guys.
This is.
They're giving you a rock video.
Yeah.
Something no one's ever heardof before.
They're paying for it, dude.
So we don't regret that moveat all, because that.
That did well for us.
But that record addict is no longer.
So addicts sold off theircatalog, so some.
Some label in Quebec owns that album.

(39:57):
Really?
First one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
Yeah.
We don't see any money from it.
Nothing.
They own it clean out.
They put it out.
It's out.
You can find it on the Internet.
Yeah.
So that's just.
To us, that's just a deadthing, you know?
And stand tall.
We stand tall.
Big deal.
Dirty Weapons, Method of the madness.

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Start at 1.
The live albums, all that isbasically back in our hands now.
Oh, really?
Yep.
We've got Stan Tall backbecause you hinted at something.
Santal's a sticky one, though.
Okay.
It's not totally back yet, and it's.
It's a bit of a sticky deal.

(40:39):
Epic had owned it originally.
We sold it off to Epic kind of thing.
So Epic.
Epic had control of thatrecord for the last 20 years or 30
years or whatever.
And things have kind of beenrolling back our Way a little bit
now.
So we're.
We're not.
We're still negotiating a lotof stuff and.
But it's.
It's good news, though.

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I mean, it's good news.
I mean, we're.
We're not out of control of.
Of our catalog, you know, byany means.
So, I mean, we have record.
Some of it's for sale on our website.
You can get everything.
But Stand Tall is for sale on there.
Big deal.
I think onkillerdwarfsband.com realize you

(41:22):
could.
Buy it off your websitebecause I'm like.
I was like, yeah.
Trying to source it out andsee if there's a way to get it.
That happened about five years ago.
We got back some of it.
We got Big Deal and Weapons.
Method of the Madness, I thinkwas being worked on still.
But those two are key.
Big Records, Big Deal and Weapons.
And we got.
We have.
They're on there for sale onkillerdwarfsband.com as well as everything

(41:48):
else except Stand Tall.
Yeah.
After we're done.
That's where I'm going.
Yeah.
Check it out.
I mean, okay.
Since COVID things have beenrun down a bit.
The stores, a lot of stuffhasn't been replenished yet.
The company's in process ofrefilling all the orders and all
that.
Right.
Because during.
We shut down, basically duringCOVID so a lot of the merch sold

(42:08):
off.
Nobody.
We didn't renew any of the stuff.
Right.
So all that's coming back nowbecause we're starting to tour again.
So I'm not sure what's available.
Stuff is there?
Look, there'll be stuff soldout, but there'll be stuff there.
So have a look, man.
You can get that stuff on CDonly, though it's not on vinyl yet,
just cd.
Are you planning on releasingany of your catalog in that retro

(42:30):
media?
Because, I mean, cassettes arecoming back, vinyl's coming back.
I mean, Boots is coming out oneight tracks.
Todd, cheers, buddy.
I saw that.
Hang on.
Todd, cheers.
Yeah, I saw that.
You with your rush shirt on.
Right on.
Okay, sorry.
Corey, go ahead.
I just saw that.

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Well, I got a brother herehaving a drink with me.
I'm gonna take toast.
Well, I've got my coffee.
That's okay.
That's okay.
I like your.
I like your mug.
Goofy.
Yeah, that's me.
Corey, go ahead.
Was you.
You ever asking me?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So I'm still answering it.
Yeah.
So that's the story about thecatalog right now, and it's kind

(43:11):
of good News.
And it's only going to get better.
I think it's only going to evolve.
And we are writing a new record.
People been had on all over usgoing, where's this new album?
It's been a hard processtrying to get.
Get it done because of COVIDreally stopped it.
But the process has been upand running for quite a while and

(43:33):
we really just need to get ourshit together and get in a room and
it's done.
We're just having so muchtrouble procrastinating to get together
to get this new record recorded.
But it is.
It is.
There is going to be a newDwarf record.
This cruise is going to kickyou in the ass.
It probably will, I think.

(43:53):
I promise for sake.
There's going to be a newDwarf record and I figure it's going
to be end of this year.
We'll actually get in a studio and.
Start tracking and you'llrelease it yourselves.
We will and it.
But it'll be released likewith full distribution and it'll
be released on itunes andit'll be released everywhere a major

(44:14):
label would put it.
Nice.
It's gonna be the samedifferent day.
It'll just say Dwarfs on itand not epic.
So I got a question about.
There's a trilogy of musicvideos that you guys did.
And you probably know whereI'm going with this, but there's
almost like a storyline.
No idea.

(44:34):
No idea.
Okay.
So there's almost a storyline that.
That it starts out with, Ibelieve Keep the spirit Alive.
It's got Russ in the craterolling down the hill and on the
bike and all that stuff.
And then there's the.
There's a follow up video.
I try to remember the sequenceof which one was first now.
But then there's the video.
You guys stand tall.

(44:55):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
And then you guys have yourown video.
You're making your own stuff.
Yeah, making your own.
You're making your own records.
You know, and very comical video.
Like very like a lot of fun.
And then the following videois you guys.
Well, we're signed.
We've signed to the label andwe're going to do our hair up and
we're going to have the spraytans on and all this stuff.

(45:16):
And a lot of it looked likekind of a.
To the record labels into theindustry and was.
How much control did you guyshave over the video?
Like was it.
Was it us going fuck, likethis label shit is kind of pissing
me off.
And this is kind of a form.
Of expression and like well,the cool thing is Epic.
Epic allowed us to have allthe control.

(45:37):
Epic liked what we were about,and for once, they, you know, they
weren't controlling.
I mean, the whole.
The whole thing with thatsingle, it's like.
It's not their fault.
I mean, the fact that theywanted us to write a song like We
Stand Alone and that's whatthe video was.
Yeah.
It's nobody's father.
You're just trying to succeed here.

(45:59):
You're trying to get a hit record.
You're trying to.
You're trying to write greatsongs and you're trying to write
catchy songs.
You're trying to write songsthat are on the radio.
Everybody wants that.
Every.
Every label wants it.
We don't think about itconsciously so much, but you need
to be successful to get toyour next record.
Need to sell us X amount ofrecords to even get another record.

(46:20):
Sure.
With a major label.
Because they're dropping aquarter mil every time they're doing
a record with you.
So they're not just gonnathrow that money out the window to
a band that doesn't give a.
About what they sell or whatkind of songs they write.
So that's not the way it went.
But they.
I was surprised they allowedus to have that kind of freedom and.
And come up with that video,which really was a big you to the

(46:42):
record industry.
But Stan Tall sort of was too.
Monster Records.
Yeah.
Crashing down.
The monster Records thing.
Crashing down is the same thing.
So they were.
Guys are just rebels.
That's what they're into.
So let's.
Let's not with them.
Let's not change that.
So in hindsight, Epic was awesome.

(47:02):
It was like they were cool toallow us to be the dwarf.
So that's sort of whathappened with that video.
That was our idea.
And they helped.
You know, they came in withsome cosmetic ideas of different
things to do in the video.
The producers were involvedwith coming up with storylines and
screen scripts and differentthings and, you know, but at the

(47:25):
end of the day, we had a lotof control about what we were doing
with those.
With that video and with thewriting and everything too.
Nobody had that full control.
Full control.
Nobody.
I don't want to paint a badpicture Epic at all.
I mean, they.
It's not like they werecontrolling us to do anything.
Yeah.
It just.
It just turned out that theywere pushing for a certain.

(47:47):
Yeah.
Type of song that we didn'thave, which was sort of a single
vibe.
Right.
There's always like a single,a ballad.
Well, they weren't theyweren't quite hearing it, that's
all.
Yeah.
So they wanted something alittle catchier, you could say.
Right.
And, you know, who am I to say?
Some people think that's oneof our greatest.
One of our greatest songs.
We Stand Alone.

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I'm just saying.
I don't like it.
I'm just an.
It doesn't mean.
Doesn't mean it's true.
I like heavier.
I like heavier music.
It doesn't mean it's, you know.
Yeah.
That's all.
But I will say we had astruggle playing it live, and that's
what was weird to us.
Believe me.
We attempted it many times.
It's getting the right vibe.
Right.
It just didn't click with us.

(48:29):
Live.
It's live show is differentthan recording.
Recording is here, live is here.
It's a different animal.
Two different animals.
Do you find the energy isdifferent when you're recording in
the studio?
Well, the magic of it is totry to get that energy of what we.
You see on stage in the studio.

(48:50):
Right, That's.
That's hard to do.
That's pretty hard becauseit's more sterile environment, no
fans, no.
No party.
No.
You have to.
You have to try to bring thatenergy to capture that on your record.
Every artist has that struggleand job to try to get that music
to sound like live on that record.
Right, right.

(49:10):
And so, you know, we.
We always try to get up torecord as much as we can.
Try to get the adrenalinegoing, try to get.
Get that magic, try to getthat power and excitement of what
we can do live in the studio.
So.
Yeah, good question, man.
It's a struggle to do it, butwe seem to pull it off.
I. I like how all our recordssound, you know, I really do.

(49:32):
I feel the energy.
No, they sound good.
It does.
It doesn't sound sterile.
Yeah.
Especially Dirty Weapons.
That record really moves and it's.
It's really exciting records.
Really aggressive.
It is.
It's just everything sits on top.
Like, I talk about it in mybook, and I really hadn't enjoyed
the recording process withAndy Johns on that record.

(49:53):
And I just found it.
I just found it had its ownlife, you know?
I mean, that record just hadits own energy and its own life and.
And we recorded it at SunsetSound, which is such a magical studio
where the Doors recorded andVan Helen and, you know, just when
I was setting my kid up inthat room, I just.

(50:15):
I couldn't help but just sayAlex Van Halen was just in here,
like, not really that longAgo, a decade ago.
Just setting his kid up righthere like, and recording Van Halen.
Hear it on the record.
You can hear there's historythere somehow.
It's just.
Yeah, it's right there anddripping off.
And answering your question,Todd, that's.

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It's a huge deal to capturethat on a record.
Yeah.
Otherwise you're gonna findyourself hating it and re.
Recording it.
And you, you, you record, right?
Yep.
That's your studio you'resitting in right now.
Yep.
Recording studio, yeah.
Well then you guys record.
You know the process.
But you know, try at all coststo get as much energy on that tape

(50:59):
or Pro Tools now or whateverwe're using.
Try to get as much energy asyou can on that, man.
You know, just try to get itmoving, try to get it alive because
the studio's hard to do.
Genius, man.
Like the.
What he pulled off, likeyou're, you're describing the book
like some of the techniquesand you're like, what the is this?
This makes no sense.

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And then.
Crazy.
You're like, that's great.
I even, I left out a lot ofstuff in my book.
Obviously.
I can't, I can't cover every little.
You know.
And there was one thing he hadme do.
I didn't put it in the book,but I'll tell you, it was this craziest,
stupidest thing that anyproducers ever brought to me.

(51:40):
He.
He was hearing a bleed.
Todd, you'll love this.
He was hearing a bleed off thesnare drum.
Right off my snare.
It was bleeding out into someother mics because I had the big
double bass kit back then andI had a 12 inch rack tom to my left,
a 13 and a 14 and 16 and 18floor toms.

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Big kit, you know.
And he was hearing off thissnare mic.
He had.
He had two or three snare micson my snare.
One, one or two underneath.
Think he had four or two uptop, two under the bottom.
And he just kept coming in thecontrol room going, mate.
He's like, I'm hearing yoursymbols up here.
I'm hearing a rack tom.

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It's all bleeding into.
Into the snare.
I'm hearing the hi hat isbleeding more than anything into
the snare mice.
It's really pissing me off.
And I go, really?
Well, come on, It's.
Dude, you've recorded millionsof and you're having this problem.
Let's.
He goes, I think I have an idea.
Let me try something.
So he cuts out.

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He gets.
I go, really?
This ought to be great.
Okay, John, you try something.
What are you gonna do?
So he gets one of my old snarecases, like, you know, the cardboard
that your snare skin comes outof the cardboard.
Well, there was some cardboarddrum head cases on the ground, and

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he found one, and so hestarted cutting it.
Cutting the cardboard.
And he was cutting it into,like a rectangle kind of like this.
And then he brought it over tome and he says, I'm thinking of.
I'm wondering if I can pullthis off.
He goes, I'm thinking oftaping this around your snare drum
as a baffle.

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So it'll be a baffle.
So I'm going to tape it.
So here's the snare drum.
He's going to tape a wallaround my snare drum.
Wait.
Cardboard on the top, on therim of the drum.
He's going to tape it aroundto try to block the mics.
So I let him do this.
I know it's not going to work.
I let him do it, though,because it was taking him a lot of

(53:49):
effort to do it.
Taking him a lot of effort todo it.
I let him do it.
I sat back on my seat likethis and watched him.
Watched him cut.
I was enjoying it immensely.
I was enjoying it immensely.
I was watching him cut out.
Out articulately.
Cut it out, right?
Cut out the stuff and got thegaff tape.
He came over, he started gafftaping the.

(54:12):
Out of my snare drum and gafftaping this wall up around it and
all that.
And coming in like this aroundthe hat and all that with it.
He goes, look at that.
I go, yeah, watch this.
Wham.
And I hit it and blew it intoa million pieces.
I said, doesn't work.

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And he goes, I guess not, eh,dude, it's in my way.
I can't.
Like, I mean, I have to letyou do that, but where?
I can't.
I can't.
You got to hit the drum, Andy,you got a thing on my drum this high,
mate.
We had a great laugh about it.
But the fact that he worked sohard on it, and with one shot, I

(54:54):
exploded the thing into amillion pieces and it was gone.
But just the fact that hetried something new is what I mean.
He's probably miked up drumsthousands of times.
Yeah, he.
He tried that.
Something he's never done before.
But you never know, becausesometimes you fall into some accidents.

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You never know when recording,you do never know until you meet
an drummer like me and I wreckyour dream.
Explode your dream intoNothing that you just worked hard
on.
Now, do you still use any ofAndy John's techniques when you're
recording?
Absolutely.
All the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's.
It's a go to thing, you know,it's like some of the stuff that

(55:38):
he comes up with is prettymainstay in the business these days.
Lots of people use thosetechniques to get bigger drum sounds
and how room mics are set upand all that.
Everybody uses that stuff now.
Like it's pretty common.
Common now that.
That a lot of people havebegged and borrowed and stole from
everybody.
Right.
So, yeah, I. I try to micstuff up when I'm recording on my

(56:00):
own or if I'm producing something.
And I try to mic my drums upexactly the way Andy miked them up.
So how many mics are you usingon your setup then?
Are you doing.
Are you doing three on thesnare still or.
No, no, just one.
One underneath, one on top?
Yep.
Yeah, I don't go exactly whathe did, but I mean, I'm just talking

(56:21):
about room mics, how we use them.
And I try to stick.
A lot of the bass drumtechniques he used was really cool
and key with the tent.
Tenting, the kick, certainplacements of mics and stuff, you
know, you just find that itworks, you know, so why not use it?
It's easy to set up becauseyou know it's gonna sound like that.

(56:42):
Yeah, exactly.
You have a pretty good ideadepending on the room you're in,
you know.
But.
Yeah, he was a great guy, man.
We really miss him.
Yeah, he's great.
He's a legend, man.
Like big time.
Yeah.
Todd, you're gonna have to read.
I'm gonna have to.
You're gonna have to read the chapter.
My book, for Christ's sake.
Oh, I will lend it to him.

(57:03):
Yep.
Yeah, I will.
Okay, sure.
He doesn't have to buy it.
You guys already got it.
Just land it to him.
You did good.
Thanks for supporting me.
Oh, yeah, for sure, man.
Like, it's.
I don't know, it's.
You're a good dude.
I appreciate it.
You guys are a great band.
Like, I have to buy something,you know?

(57:24):
No, you don't.
You don't have to buy something.
Seriously.
If you guys put the effort in,why shouldn't I go ahead and buy
something?
It.
That's.
That's like.
That's.
That's what we do on the show.
We just had these guys here.
I don't know if you can seeancient Raven records.
We had them on Our show,they're the small label at A Gimli

(57:44):
Manitoba.
They're kind of.
Kind of got started not too,too long ago and they've got some
amazing music there.
So, you know, I met.
I met with the guy, had him onthe show, promote the shit out of
his stuff because he's justgetting started out.
Like you have to extend a handand help people out when they're
getting started with their soul.
If they've got music, just gofucking buy it.

(58:05):
Because you're not going tomake money off Spotify or Apple or
that stuff.
Like, just go out and buy somephysical product and keep these guys
in business.
That's my everybody think people.
So easy to forget, right?
Everybody starts at the bottom.
Everybody.
I don't care who you, who you are.
It's tough business.

(58:26):
You weren't a star overnight.
You started at the bottom, everybody.
Do you know Chris Jericho?
Yeah.
Do I know him personally from Winnipeg?
No.
Do you.
You know who he is?
Ozzy.
What a great guy, man.
Awesome guy.
One reason I brought it up isbecause he supported me and bought
my book.
Did he really?
Yes.

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And he reached out to me theother night on Instagram and he loves
the dwarfs.
He's known, a dwarf fan.
And he said, don, he calls me Dunk.
He goes, don really loved yourbook, especially the part with the
Iron Maiden where you said, goto YouTube to watch the video.
He goes, that was amazingbecause I.

(59:07):
Went and did it.
It was hilarious.
He goes, I can't wait for thenext book.
Yeah, how cool, how cool isthat of him?
It's pretty cool that hereached out to me.
I don't know him really well.
I only know.
I don't know him personally.
I've never met him and he did that.
I mean, he knows me.
I know him like just by who he is.
Sure.
Right.
And, you know, rusted hisshow, he had his own, so he knows

(59:30):
us.
Right?
Yeah.
But I've yet to shake his handand meet him in person, so I'm hoping
I run into him in the nextyear somewhere.
I don't know where, but what agood guy.
But that was.
That really made me feel good, man.
Yeah.
No, he's.
I follow his podcast regularly.
I mean, I watch him on.
On the wrestling.
The only reason I watch AEWbecause is because he's on there.
He's a Winnipeg boy, you know,and he does a lot of stuff to like.

(59:55):
Like I was saying earlier,he's supporting other people.
I'm gonna.
That's why I brought it up.
Yeah, that's why I brought it up.
He supported me.
Bought my damn book.
Yeah.
So that's why I brought it up.
Sorry to cut you off.
No, no, no, no, that's fine.
He's.
There's a couple of podcastshe goes and supports and puts his
name behind.
He doesn't have to.
He just, like, they have agood show I got to tell people about.

(01:00:16):
I have the ability and thevoice to tell, and I have a big audience.
So, like, that's what he does.
Like, I'm going to use.
He's going to use his voiceto, you know, help propel people
that might need just a little.
A little push to make it tothe next level.
And that's.
Well, it's all about paying itforward and giving it back in this
business.
And, I mean, I do the samething all the time.
I try to help people out allthe time.

(01:00:37):
And that's why I'm alwaysthere for a fan base, too.
Yeah, like, we're.
We're known as that band, youknow, like, we.
We talk to our fans.
I'm always usually availableto talk to fans all the time on social
media.
I spend too much time doingit, actually.
I really do, but they love mefor it.
But I.
It's starting to get too much, right?

(01:00:57):
It's like, holy.
Oh, you gotta limit a little bit.
Yeah, but.
But I mean, it's important.
It's very important, though.
It's important to be there foryour fan base.
It's important to help fellow musicians.
It's important.
You know, I mean, I had someguy today, random guy asked me about
drums today, about some.
What pedals I'm using and whathi hat stand I'm using, and he needed

(01:01:20):
advice on it.
You know, he's.
He's a friend on Facebook, butI don't really know him.
I know personally.
I don't know him personally,and this is the first time he's ever
reached out to me.
So I was just going through myprivate message.
I see this guy's name and Isee that he's one of my friends on
my page, but, you know, I got5,000 of them, so I don't know them
all personally, but.
But he just said, hey, hey, Doug.

(01:01:41):
Sorry to, you know, hope I'mnot interrupting anything.
I got to question about some gear.
Can you give me some good advice?
And.
And I, you know, and I did.
I took the time I was doing something.
I had things to do, but Istopped and I.
And I answered his question.
And the guy really appreciated it.
So.
See, it's little things likethat go along.
They all add up.
They all add up.
They go a long way.

(01:02:02):
Yeah, they do.
Well, it's the same thing.
I mean, if you're an assholeto a fan, you know, you could wind
up losing the fan.
Well, you will lose them, guarantee.
Yeah.
If you're an asshole to them,they're gone.
Yeah, but I mean, there's noneed to be an asshole though.
That's.
That's my thing.
There's.
There's no need, you know, andlike I did, like I said, I spread
myself pretty thin.
I have a family, an 11 yearold and my wife, my dog, and I'm

(01:02:24):
in my house here, but I'mspending all my days.
I mean, I'm a full time musician.
I don't have a day job.
I run my.
I have a label, I write books.
I do.
You know, I'm busy.
But you know, I spend a lot oftime through the day talking to fans
these days and musicians andwhatever, music industry things.
I'm doing that all day becausethat's my job.

(01:02:46):
That's how I look at it.
I'm gonna say something here.
So everything you just saidhere, just, just right now though,
you were saying, you know,the, the Doors took a hiatus.
Let's just kind of see howthings go.
And then you took another hiatus.
Let's see how things go.
But this, what you're doingright now with us and with all your
fans, this is what brought theDwarfs back.

(01:03:07):
It's not the climate.
It's not.
It's just continual, perpetual.
We're here.
That's what it is.
Absolutely.
You're right.
All right.
You're right.
That.
And that's why 213 till now.
Yeah.
Which is we're.
We're working on nine yearshere solid.
That's why this has been sucha good, great run and it'll continue

(01:03:31):
and until we can't playanymore, you know, physically can't
play anymore.
That's our plan.
But, you know, we're in reallygood shape for how old we are.
We've never been real drug guys.
We're not drug go.
We're not, you know, we'repretty healthy guys overall.
And we basically said to eachother the other day, let's, let's

(01:03:51):
tour till we, we die on stage.
But Russ was saying this tome, but he wasn't joking.
He was like, seriously.
So I was telling him I was atthe chiropractor and all this.
I go, I'm getting my Neckfixed up because it's starting to
get up, so.
And he goes, yeah, let's.

(01:04:11):
Let's physically do that.
And I go, I. I'm with you.
What else are we gonna do?
Right?
Yeah, let's tour to a rocktill we drop and rock till we physically
can't do it anymore.
And that's what we plan on doing.
So that's kind of good newsfor Dwarf fans because, you know,
we're looking at trying to doanother decade of albums and another

(01:04:32):
decade of documentaries andtouring and there's lots of cities
in Europe we've never been to that.
It's a bucket list thing for us.
You know, where we want to dosome of these big festivals.
Blood festivals.
Oh yeah.
All these festivals now thatare to our disposal.
They want the band.
You know, we want to go to Australia.

(01:04:53):
I mean, there's a lot ofthings we haven't done, even though
we've been around 40 years and.
And we plan on doing it.
Yeah.
Before we're dead.
We plan on doing it.
So you want to try to stay.
We're trying to stay healthy.
Healthy right now.
Health.
Health is everything.
Hey, I'm gonna.
You can't.
Can I take it back to ChrisJericho for a second?

(01:05:14):
So if you do end up doing ashow, which I think at some.
Point you will, well, Russ hasdone it and I'm sure he'll have me
on because he just reached outto me.
He's gonna push the DDP yogathing on you.
I'm just warning you now.
I hope he does got laugh.
Go ahead and laugh, dude.
I'm a total yoga head.
Are you?
I've been doing yoga for over12 years.

(01:05:36):
Awesome.
Me too.
Well, not by.
Dude, that's what Keith ChrisJericho going on and on about his
DDP yoga.
So I went and like, I don'tknow, four years ago I started it
and man, I'm in better shapeat 50 than ever was at 25.
Well, I'm glad you brought itup, man.
I actually think I've beendoing yoga longer than 12 years.

(01:05:56):
Yeah, 20.
And my wife says 20.
Anyway, I got, I got on doingthat because it's a good, good drummers
thing.
Lots of drummers were tellingme about it and it's the best way
to stay toned.
Like keep.
Yeah, look at the guns.
Look at the guns on the 60year old boys.
Nice.

(01:06:18):
But it's the best way to toneand not build huge muscle like Jericho.
I mean, drummers stay lean and firm.
It's the best way for you tobe flexible.
Flexible is what drumming is.
Flexibility is key.
Yoga builds flexibility and power.
It does.

(01:06:38):
It really does.
And it saved my ass, man.
And I needed to see achiropractor over something in my
neck right now.
And like I said, it's personal.
I don't want to get.
I'm not dying.
I'm not dying.
And the chiropractor is awoman that I go see and she goes,
dude, you're like, you're inway better shape than you think you
are.
I know you think you're havingthis tissue with your neck.

(01:07:00):
It's easily taken care of.
But she said, you are in waybetter shape than you think you are.
You need to just stop thinkingso much is your problem.
You worry too much.
Just go do your gig.
Just do your thing.
You're fine.
Keep doing your exercises.
Keep doing your exercises.
You're good.
So I. I attribute yoga as akey thing for me.

(01:07:20):
So I didn't even know thatJericho was into that.
Oh, no, it's from DiamondDallas Page, the wrestler.
He started his own yoga thing.
Oh, but I don't know about that.
It.
You have to look into it.
It's.
It.
Honestly, dude, like, I can do.
I've got two young kids at 50and I can't keep up with them.
And yeah, I couldn't, but I. I.

(01:07:44):
Did the same thing with Marlo.
I have an 11 year old, so Iwas 50 when she was born.
Oh, there you go.
So you had.
I was you basically with anewborn and I was like, oh, why am
I doing this?
But I'm.
I'm a drummer too.
I used to do some running andstuff and my body was beat up, so
I did.
Okay, Jericho, I'll do.
You know, Diamond DallasPages, yoga tried it out and I was
like, is that right?

(01:08:05):
Actually, but it's acombination of yoga and like physical
therapy stuff.
And I'll check it out.
But did Jerk.
Does Jericho do this or doessomeone else do it?
He recommended to retire.
Oh, was he broken up?
Was he involved in this yoga thing?
No, he.
Jared TDP reached out to him.

(01:08:26):
The rest.
Oh, okay.
I got you.
Try my program.
And he's like, I'm not yoga.
And then he was injured andthat's why he's wrestling now, is
because he started doing thatand he's in the.
Best shape of his life.
What a great story.
I know.
Well, like I said, man, Ireally believe in it.
And the only way you're goingto see me drumming for 10 more years

(01:08:47):
is if I just Stay on thisregimen, stick to it and hopefully
nothing else comes comes myway that I can't handle disease wise
or whatever.
But you know.
Yeah, I think he got.
I think he got the Metallicasinger on it too.
Oh yeah.
So he's on James.
Yeah, James Happy.
Yeah, he looks pretty good.

(01:09:08):
He looks great.
He's all short hair andeverything now.
He looks respectable.
But he looks pretty healthythough, right?
He looks healthy though, right?
I'll send you a link later to.
Great.
I'd like to check it out earlier.
I mean, even if I grabbed acouple of moves, you know, I have
my, my moves down already thatI stick to.
But you can always add anotherone, right?
Like another.
Either core exercise or something.

(01:09:32):
I'll pick and choose.
If I see something else Icould add, I'll do it.
If it's cool, that'sworthwhile, I'm happy to check it
out.
Yeah.
Awesome.
My favorite musician of all time.
Just so you know, not the dwarfs.
It's actually my brother, but.
But my brother's my favoritemusician of all time.
Class act.
And who's your brother?
Todd?
This guy right here, he has to.

(01:09:54):
Say that he's my brother.
Corey.
Corey.
You know, brothers.
Oh, who's your brother?
Corey?
No, Todd.
Oh, Todd, your brother.
Yeah, that's right.
The two.
The two cue ball guys.
The ball.
I know, of course, your brothers.
Look at you.
Corey's a brother from another mother.
Brother.

(01:10:14):
Yeah.
That's great.
That's cool.
You guys are brothers.
How far apart are you age wise?
Three.
Three years.
Yeah.
I have a brother when we'reseven years apart.
Blood brother old or younger?
Yeah, he's seven years olderthan me.
Yeah, he's my old older brother.
He's a fire captain forToronto Fire.
He's retired recently, but hewas captain for Toronto Fire Department.

(01:10:37):
And I only have one bloodbrother and then half brothers and
sisters from other marriagesin my family.
And in the early days in the80s, my brother was always at all
the shows, maiden and all that.
He came out.
He flew down to the States.
Yeah, he.
He did some partying with us.
He was a firefighter back then.
He was a firefighter back then.
Not a captain yet, but he usedto travel all over and come to the

(01:10:59):
shows.
He had a great time.
Raid.
Raid the locker.
Right, the liquor locker.
Raider rider.
Guy's got an appetite.
He's a bigger guy than a I am.
Bigger frame.
Used to eat a lot.
He'd eat our deli.
Trade be gone before we had achance to have any thanks, bro.

(01:11:20):
Can you bring us a more deli, please?
We called him Bodine.
Like Jethro Bodine.
Yeah, because he look, he'sgot curly hair in a mustard like
Jethro.
He looks a bit like Jethro.
Yeah, he does, right?
So we called him Bo.
We called him Bodine forJethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies.
And every time he'd come tothe show, Russ would go, bodeen's
here.
The rider's gonna be gone.

(01:11:41):
If you want a sandwich, get in there.
Odin's here.
It's gonna be eaten.
Oh, I know.
Oh, man.
God love him.
Yeah.
So anyway, what were yousaying about the brothers?
So, yeah, so this, I got toplay with this guy.
So, like, yeah, quite, quite a few.

(01:12:01):
Drummer, guitar player.
I'm a drummer guitar player.
Todd.
Okay, cool.
And are you engineer Todd?
I, I had taken a course whileMid Ocean Recording Studios here
years ago.
I was level one recording engineer.
And then after that I didn'treally do a whole lot.

(01:12:24):
That was back in the days whenyou had the four tracks and you'd
have to bounce everything to adifferent track and you lost the
resolution every time youbounce the track.
Right.
So it would.
Sounds pretty crappy.
But when computers started totake off with recording, I bought
some monitors and, and got theprograms and did some reading and

(01:12:44):
stuff and some research and,and then when Sean and I and a couple
other guys, we had Ben Dom,they wanted to record an album, so
figured we'd, we'd try.
I tried out in the studio andsee, see what I could do.
So it was my first attempt andI, I, I think it actually turned
out pretty good for, for afirst attempt.

(01:13:04):
I mean, it's nowhere near, you know,.
Professional grade, but so whyI asked that.
So you're, you're the engineerthough, as well on these recordings?
Yes.
Or did you have someone elsecome in and engineer with you or.
No, no, just strictly myself.
You did it?
You mix it too, and everything?
Yeah, everything Master.
Good for you, man.
That's the way to go.
I, I'm that guy too.
I mean, I just try to doeverything myself if I, I can.

(01:13:26):
I always try to do everything myself.
I mean, when it comes toanything like Photoshop or anything
like posters, anything for dowith my band, I'll try to do it myself.
I'll design T shirts, I'll do everything.
I've always done that.
There's a little sense ofpride by doing it that way, you know,
Saves.
You a lot of money, saves youa Lot of cash.

(01:13:46):
My wife, for sure, signed her cover.
Like, she did her cover and wedid the distribution ourselves.
I mean, it was small.
It was like selling it atshows and stuff like that.
And.
Yeah, I don't know, it was.
To me, it was like.
It'd be kind of cool to be ona big label, but this is kind of
cooler in a way.
Like, I don't know, it was aproud moment.
And to play with this guy waslike just a dream come true.

(01:14:07):
Like, you know, that's.
That's what I wanted.
So, you know, in a weird way,Sean, there is no major labels anymore.
No, it's.
It's strange.
Like, they're there.
You know, they are stillthere, but there's no real big deal
the way it used to be.
Like, there's.
Unless you're.

(01:14:28):
If you notice.
Like, if you're.
Who can I use, for example,the pop Harry, right?
The pop world, pop rap world,you know, they're.
There's still major deals for them.
Oh, yeah.
Taylor Swift type Axe, peoplelike that.
But for the rock band or theupcoming new Aerosmith that's coming

(01:14:51):
up or anything like that,there's just.
No, it's not.
Doesn't exist anymore.
It's gone underground.
It is indie.
It is indie and there'snothing wrong with that.
It's great to have fullcontrol of your own career and your
own stuff at this.
So I would embrace it.
I would embrace all of it.
People become stars every dayon this stupid thing on the Internet.

(01:15:13):
Oh, yeah?
You ever gone on Tick Tock lately?
I have a Tick Tock account.
My daughter got me.
My daughter got me into Tick tock.
She got me an account.
She said, you can sell yourbook on there.
You won't believe how insaneit is.
So I started a Tick Tock account.
It blew up.
It's like crazy.
I'm on there all the time now.
See this Tick Tock, things outof control.

(01:15:34):
It's so.
It's so narcissistic.
It's wacko.
I'm not saying it's good.
I'm just saying it's a bit nuts.
It's a bit nuts, but.
But people become stars onthis damn tool overnight.
Like people get 12 billionviews of them with a hula hoop.
It's ridiculous.

(01:15:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Did you buy a hula hoop?
No, I'm just.
I'm just trying to make apoint that you can do a lot of damage,
man.
You just don't know.
You could just get lucky withone of your songs or anything.
Could happen.
You could get us track at amovie and next thing you know, boom.
And man, is it.
The sky's the limit these days.

(01:16:15):
You know, as bad as theInternet is and how nasty it was
for Download and stealing amusic and all that, it's tenfold
for the positive.
Yeah.
No, it's true.
I don't know.
I think we have a huge.
Like, we have a huge followingin India for our show.
No idea why.
There you go.
See, it's just there.
I know.

(01:16:35):
You just don't know.
It opens up the whole.
The whole thing to you, right?
Yeah.
You know, I don't know if you guys.
Did you guys see.
Have you heard about this Pamand Tommy show?
Tommy Lee?
Oh, yeah.
I'm just watching it before weget on.
Did you really?
I was on episode two.
I watched all three.
The original video or.

(01:16:56):
No, no, seriously.
Yeah.
Well, they offer it.
No, no, no, no, no.
But that's funny.
I was just gonna say the Internet.
Right.
That's where Tommy's video sold.
The guy that wasn't that cool.
Seth.
Right.
So it's kind of cool how.
I mean, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of this series Ithink is ridiculous.
The talking dick and all that.
It's just ridiculous.

(01:17:16):
But.
Okay, so that's actually athing I haven't actually watched.
Yeah, you gotta see it.
I won't.
I won't rack it for you.
I won't record for you.
But the actual gist of it with the.
With the video with Seth andhow he.
How he got it on the Internetand put it out there.
Isn't.
Isn't that insane?
It was the infancy of the Internet.
It's the very start of the Internet.
And he.

(01:17:37):
That's exactly how he.
He pulled it off.
Yeah, it was.
It was.
It was all timing.
Like, the timing of like.
That guy made a fortune offtheir tape.
Yeah.
But it was all.
It was just perfect timing.
Perfect store.
It was.
It was.
And.
And from that day on, porn andall that went insane on the Internet.
It's gotten completely off the charts.

(01:17:58):
Makes $500 billion a year or something.
Internet porn, which isridiculous, but.
Well, that's what theInternet's for.
Oh, I know.
That big.
Got that big, right?
Yeah.
But yeah, that.
The sky is the limit with.
With this tool now.
It's.
It's pretty.
Pretty cool and pretty weirdand pretty evil.
That's got every side to it,doesn't it?

(01:18:20):
So are we gonna see.
Are we gonna see a moviecalled Russ and Daryl or.
No, you're gonna.
It won't be a movie.
No.
Right.
I don't think we're gonna dothat like the Anvil sort of thing.
No, but we, we.
One of our goals that we haveset for ourselves for the next decade
is definitely a realdocumentary on the killer Dwarves.

(01:18:43):
Like, it would be a movie typeslash documentary.
Right.
Like really done well.
Really produced and done well.
That's something we will.
We figure we owe it to our fanbase to finally pull off one.
Bands have them everywhere.
But yeah, that's something.
We definitely want to tellthat story, you know, and.

(01:19:05):
And because Russ.
Russ has like, man, he hasdays worth of candid footage.
He is.
So he's always had a camera rolling.
Yep, he has.
He's documented the band fromday one.
So the stuff he has is amazing.
It's.
You could edit just his moviesand have a documentary.

(01:19:28):
So have you just like, haveyou seen the documentaries?
Like the one that was done onRush by those Canadian guys?
I watched them all.
Yeah, I like.
I like documentaries.
I watch.
I watch many of them and.
And yeah.
Is that the same guy that didthe Maiden one?
Yep.
Done, done, done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:19:49):
Sam Dunn.
Yeah, Sam.
Yeah, I'd be interested.
Yeah, no, I'd be interested.
I would love if he would do it.
I. I've never approached him.
I met him once at a.
Some kind of a movie industrygala thing I was at.
Oh, yeah, I met him at Maiden.
That's right too.
A backstage at Maiden.
He was at Maiden at the lastMaiden show here in Toronto and I

(01:20:11):
met him there.
I met him a few times now, butI did, you know, it's not like kind
of thing where I went, hey,please do our documentary.
But he would be a key guy todo it.
But you know, at the sametime, we don't even need a producer
the way we're going.
We could do it ourselves, butI mean, we definitely want to have
it done properly.
No, but the technology isthere to at least start it on your

(01:20:32):
own and then if you guys havemost of it together, then.
Yeah, bring there.
There are people interested indoing it already.
We've been approacheddifferent people.
So.
Yeah, you, you.
It'll happen, man.
It'll happen in due time.
We're not done yet.
So, you know, maybe we can getsome more funny videos over the next
tours and incorporate corporate.
It'll be.

(01:20:53):
Because the documentary willbe the whole thing, right?
You'll see video from thebeginning to now.
So it's going to be fun.
I can't wait to.
You have some old Sphinx footage.
There is some very little.
Very.
Yeah, yeah.
Because that.
That whole period, it soundedkind of interesting.
It was.
There was a wild west to it.

(01:21:14):
You could be.
You could be like the bar banddoing covers and stuff, but you could
still do really well for yourselves.
Like, there was a.
There was a period there where.
I don't know, it was like thesky was the limit.
Like, you could make a living,which was really weird.
You had to work all the time,but you wanted to work all the time,
but you could make a good living.
Like, it was weird.
You could make.

(01:21:34):
You actually get a paycheckand have fun.
It was.
It was cool, but it was.
I was so young, man, that I just.
My vision of the world androck and roll was so not what it
is like now that I've learnedwhat I know now.
And it was so weird at 18years old.
I'd been touring already foryears, since I was 14, 15, and I

(01:21:58):
already was getting jaded.
Right.
Like I said in the book, I felt.
I felt like I'd already done it.
And I go, is that.
Am I done?
Am I going to go get a job now?
And I'm out of the business?
I mean, it's like, it took aweird twist.
It really did.
In between the Dwarfs andSphinx there.
And it just.

(01:22:20):
It's just how it went.
And, you know, I really cut myteeth on that band.
I'm so lucky I had that band,because that band set me up for success.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Totally set me up.
Totally set me up.
Regardless of how I wasfeeling, regardless how I.
If I was sick of it or however.
It gave me the knowledge andthe tools and the skill to go to

(01:22:41):
the next level when I met Russ.
But the same thing for Russ,like, he.
He probably had the samething, too.
When you met, it was like,okay, look, we've got all this again.
Timing.
You said timing of that.
Of Tommy Lee's video, wherethat guy put it out.
This was the same thing.
It was just, what if Russwasn't in that headspace when I met

(01:23:01):
him?
We would have just wentseparate ways and there'd be no killer
dwarfs today.
Yeah, he just happened to beright in that same mode in his life
when he met me.
So odd.
Like,.
With all the experience thatyou have, have you mentored any younger
drummers that are.
That have kind of come up andtried to.

(01:23:24):
To show them, you know, don'tmake the mistakes that you've seen
other people make because ofthe experience that you.
That you've had over the years.
Yeah, there's.
There's a few.
And actually, in the earlydays, I used to teach drum lessons.
I didn't really enjoy doingthat much, but I did it for a while.
And I.
Actually, when I was living inWinnipeg, I taught lessons out of

(01:23:46):
a music store there out nearthe airport.
Name of the store, Pops Music.
What's that?
Pops Music.
Yes.
I think that was that.
Was it nice?
I taught drum lessons there.
Pops Music now, was it?
Glenn, it's long ago.
Forget the guys that.
Portage Avenue.

(01:24:07):
I can't remember who hooked meup with it, but.
But it was only for about four months.
But I taught lessons therewhen I was not touring.
It's crazy.
And they talked me into it andthey said, why don't you.
A lot of.
They'd like to meet you, andplus, you can make some money.
And so I did it.
And I also did it in Oshawa,where I grew up for a while.
And this is in the earlyDwarfs first album, going to the

(01:24:29):
second album.
And a couple of those drummersto this day have gone on to playing
bands.
And they're.
They're growing up now.
They were kids then.
And.
And they.
And they.
They contact me once in awhile and they go, man, you taught
me so much and just sent me onmy way and blah, blah, blah, and
it's gonna feel good.
I'll never forget you for that.
And you just.
I. I credit you for that andthe fact that I actually made it

(01:24:52):
in a band today.
And so I guess I could answeryour question that way.
There is a few.
Yeah, there's a few out there,but I still give advice every day.
But people like that guy todaythat contacted me about the pedals.
Right.
If I can give some advice.
If they're asking and I thinkI have an answer, I have no problem
sharing that.

(01:25:13):
No problem at all.
Sweet.
Cool.
I have.
I have a question about.
It's a Winnipeg thing.
Like, Winnipeggers have thisbelief that we are the music town
of Canada.
The best music comes out of here.
There's this pride aboutWinnipeg and our music and our music
scene and all that sort of stuff.

(01:25:34):
Do you like it?
Do you get any memories about some.
I like.
I like that you liked.
Do I have any memories of Big.
Is there any bands in Winnipegthat you're like, oh, yeah, that
Winnipeg.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Street Heart, for sure.
Yep.
Yeah.
Kenny Shields, man, I knew him.
And still no Spider to this day.

(01:25:57):
In fact, the Dwarfs did a showthis Summer with them.
With the street art that'stogether now.
Yep.
Spiders in it.
Yep.
And it was great to see him.
We played Manitoulin island here.
Did an outdoor festival in August.
But all those bands I knewreally well out there, Queen City
Kids.

(01:26:17):
Oh yeah, I think the Pumps.
The Pumps, yep.
Yeah.
And then of course, Burton Cummings.
We know him.
Oh yeah.
Quite well.
Jerry, our guitar player ofthe Drawers, actually does shows
with Burton from time to time.
Oh, really?
Side gig things?
Yeah.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, he's not advertised, he's.
But we know Burton.

(01:26:37):
He knows him.
Have you heard of Bumps Street Heart?
I'm just saying.
Harlequin.
Harlequin.
I know all those bands.
I remember when Kick Ax usedto play Winnipeg all the time.
Time too.
They're not from there.
They're not from there.
They're friends of ours today.
Good friend.
We still tour with Kick Ass today.
Oh my God.
And.
And that's the first time Iever seen Kick Ax playing the Black

(01:26:59):
Knight out there.
Nice.
Back in the day.
Yeah, I love it.
So I got a lot of history inthat town, man.
So I have a question.
There's.
Have you heard of the.
The Killer Dwarf kind of notclone band.
There's a band in Winnipeg.
Holy.
Do they sound like you guys?
Are you serious?
They're called.
That's awesome.
They're called Moon 10.

(01:27:20):
So.
Moon 10.
They're a kind of a.
A cross between you guys and Rush.
Okay.
Incredible singer.
Amazing.
A drummer that plays on the.
The most simplified kit andmakes it sound like, you know, like
a million piece drum kit.
Well, most drummers are doingthat these days.
I don't know if you've seensome of these drumeo videos that

(01:27:42):
are out.
Oh yeah, dude.
Everybody's playing one rackat one floor and just slaying them.
Playing all the paradiddlegrooves, all one offs and.
Oh man, I've been enjoyingwatching some of those drumeo videos,
man.
Everybody's just blazing onlittle kits now.
Yeah.
Like blazing on them.
It's really intriguing to see that.
Even the hello Kitty kids.

(01:28:03):
Yeah, the hell yeah.
Yeah.
For fun.
You know, I saw a video withpoor Fortnite Crash in a little.
Little kit like that.
Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah.
Watch that video a million times.
Quite funny.
It's quite funny actually.
This Moontan band though, Ithink you should check out.
I think.
I think you're gonna hear themgo, holy.
Like these guys are.

(01:28:24):
Yeah.
Do they have original music?
Like.
Oh, it's all original.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, it's all original.
They.
There's.
There's this contest calledIndie Week.
It's like an internationalcompetition, but they have like an
Indie Week in each city, right?
And then Moontan, they won.
They won Indie Week in Winnipeg.
And then they went to Torontoto compete against all the other

(01:28:45):
Canadian winners in Toronto.
They won that.
And then they did the globalone, which, I don't know, Scotland
or Edinburgh or whatever,somewhere over there.
And they won the whole fucking thing.
And they're from Winnipeg andit's like, oh my God.
So I started checking thisband out and they're just.
I. I was.
When I was listening to theDwarves last week, I'm like, yep.

(01:29:06):
That's why, why I liked Moon 10.
Because they have thatfamiliar kind of seven.
So they sound.
They do they have an 80s feel to.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Like, kind of like 70s and 80s feel.
Yeah, you gotta check.
Just worthwhile.
What do you think of CreditVan Fleet?
I think I like it, but I don't know.

(01:29:28):
I'm not.
I haven't been won over.
The only reason I met.
I mentioned them.
I like a couple of theirtunes, but I get what they're doing.
I mean, the only reason Ibrought that up is you brought this
band up.
Moon.
Moon Tan, you know, Ground of Anthletes.
Kind of an old age new band.
They sound like Zeppelin.

(01:29:48):
Yeah, but they.
They have their own vibe.
I gave it a chance, right?
Yeah.
I've listened to quite a bitof their stuff.
Just give it a chance.
Instead of just hearing asingle and going, oh, that's so much
like Zeppelin.
Yeah, Yeah, I gave it a chance.
There's some good stuff theycan play, you know, but have you
heard of a band called Rival Sons?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, they were doing that before.
Regretted Van Fleet.

(01:30:09):
They're.
They're real zeppeliny too, man.
Really.
Blues.
They're a really good band.
They're a really good band.
Rival Sons.
Excellent band.
My.
My good friends are sound man.
Oh, nice.
Neil McDonald.
Yeah, he works for them.
But I don't know, man.
I. I'm.
I'm all for new talent.
I. I mean, it's.
I'm all for it.
I'll back it and support itany way I can, anytime.

(01:30:32):
Because the new blood of thisbusiness is, you know, I only have
so many years left in me andthat's it.
And so, you know, there's gotto be somebody come up all the time
to keep rock and roll going.
I just hold the flag of rockand roll.
I want to see rock and rollSurvive forever long after I'm gone
I want.
I want to see that kid come upand be the new Daryl Dwarf pirate.

(01:30:56):
The new pirate.
Knock yourself out, man.
There's gonna be some kid comeup behind me, kick my.
Kick my ass, and I'll be happyto see it.
Are you into pirate metal at all?
Have you heard it?
Kinda.
I just.
As a joke.
Yeah.
What's that?
Band.
My bass player was telling meabout this band.
Band.
It's just Ale Storm.
Yes.

(01:31:16):
It's incredible.
He says he's right into them.
He's played me a few othersongs and I gotta laugh.
It's just so cool.
It's.
It's.
Yeah, it's so pirate.
I mean, you know, the pirate.
I don't have my pirate beardin tonight.
I took it out for you guys.
Oh, no.
I got my dimebag Daryl beard on.
Yeah, this is usually.

(01:31:36):
This is usually braided, right?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I got the pirate.
Oh, yeah.
That's where I got it from.
Yeah.
But, yeah, they're a goodband, though, actually, this Ale
Storm band.
No, they're really good.
There's like.
They're really good players.
Like, they're good, man.
But I think that's whererock's going.
It's like.
Okay, you know what?
Like, because people are doingstuff indie, and maybe it's a little

(01:31:58):
niche or a little genre orwhatever, but they can have a life.
Like, it's so indie.
Like all these rock bands justtrying things that are a little bit
different, you know?
Like, there's nothing wrongwith that.
Yeah, there's nothing wrongwith that.
That's.
That's how it's gonna work.
You just pivot.
I'm gonna bring up a band.
New band.

(01:32:18):
Now that we're talking aboutnew bands.
Have you ever.
Have you listened to Wolfie at all?
Wolfgang Van Halen stuff?
Yeah.
Are you a fan of it?
I love it.
I'm a huge fan of it.
I did not like.
But okay.
I think it's incredible.
Here's the question for you.
So when you listen to it thefirst time, did you like it right

(01:32:42):
away or was it a grower?
No, I didn't like it right away.
Same here.
I only liked one song right away.
Yep.
Tell you why I. I gave it thechance because it's Wolfgang Van
Halen and you respect Eddie somuch, and his son's got to be good.
If he's.
He's from the DNA, man, he'sgot to be good at this kid.
There's no way he's not good.

(01:33:03):
He's Alex Van Allen.
He's Eddie Van Halen's kid.
So I gave it a whole passlisten to the whole thing and I found
hit me kind of Nickelbacky sometimes.
Okay, sure.
If you didn't get that.
Nothing against nickel.
I like Nickelback.
I don't bag on them likeeveryone does.
The guy's an incredible songwriter.
But I was hearing nuances ofNickelback, new age sounding bands

(01:33:29):
like that commercial, thosepop rock, like commercial pop rock.
And that's how I heard it onthe first listen.
And then it took me about fivelistens to get into some of the tracks.
Like Epiphany is my favoritesong on it.
Epiphany is it the second?
Just.
Wow, man, what a powerful tune.

(01:33:50):
What a pounding the course and everything.
It's just the payoff.
And that is insane.
All the drumming is great on it.
And apparently he played on it.
He.
No, he's drum.
He's the only musician.
The drumming's amazing on that record.
He's really.
Well, he used to play forTremonte as a drummer.

(01:34:13):
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I didn't know that from Creed.
Creed had his altar.
Right, right.
And then he had a solo bandcalled Tremonte.
I think it was Tremonte he wasplaying for.
But.
But he was their drummer whenhe was like before he did the Van
Halen thing.
Oh, okay.
Well, there you go.
So he's got.
He's obviously a talented guy.
Jack of all trades.
Oh yeah, Guy.
You can play drums and thenyou become a guitar player like that.

(01:34:34):
You got it made.
No kidding.
Because then you can do anything.
You can track your own record.
Because playing bass isn'tthat hard if you're a great guitar
player.
Sure.
So, you know.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's.
That's a new record that I'm pretty.
I'm into at the moment.
I can't.
I can't unlisten it.
It's.
It's always ear wormed inthere and just there's a.

(01:34:54):
And I pivot on what is thebest track of the album all the time.
And a good album will grow onyou and you won't.
You won't listen to it twice again.
Okay, I'm done with it now.
No, you listen to it and itjust gets better, better and better.
How can this kid at that agehave that all figured out so well
on how to be.
Build a song together like that?

(01:35:16):
That's a monster rock record is.
That's a monster record.
Like every track is a good track.
Yes.
Like there's really no trackson that record.
You might not like some of thepoppier stuff versus the heavier
stuff, but it's.
It's got something to offer everything.
It's really good.
It's one of the better recordsI've heard in a long time.
Yep.
Have you guys revisited anyrecords lately from the day old records?

(01:35:41):
Sean and I did deep dive intothe killer drawers last week.
Well, like I don't get mewrong, I don't mean like a Ted Nugent
record that you like, that youhear all the time.
I just mean.
Have you.
Because I. I recently just outof the blue started listening to
Genesis.
Interesting.
Because of Phil Collins is.

(01:36:01):
He fell down and got injuredand he's not very healthy right now.
And it's kind of a sad story story.
He's been touring, sittingdown, singing, and he can't drum
anymore and he's got a lot ofhealth problems.
And it kind of bothered me.
Right.
And I know Scott Ian fromAnthrax went to the show in New York
and he was physically crying.
He started crying like itmoved him.

(01:36:23):
Like it bothered him or moved him.
Like he felt bad for.
Even though the performancewas good.
But I was never a fan of Genesis.
I'm talking about real Genesis.
In high school.
I thought they were geeks, man.
It's like, yes.
And all this.
I was into, like, I was intoKiss and Rush and Aerosmith and Nugent
and all those bands back then.
Like Genesis to me was like,what is this?

(01:36:45):
We're on this.
We're on the same page.
That was kind of my things.
Okay, so.
So this is what got you back.
So this is what got youlistening to them.
So what did you discover?
I discovered how great it is.
Some of it just the first,first album because there's a history
behind that.
Peter Gabriel left the bandand they were wrote off by the English
press as a dead band.

(01:37:07):
And they discovered Phil Collins.
He.
He addition got the gig andthen they needed a singer and they.
They just basically threw fakedoing said Phil, can you sing?
Like, can you try singing this track?
And just if it's.
If it doesn't work, we'll.
We'll get a singer.
We'll find whatever it was,that song Squonk or whatever, really

(01:37:32):
heavy tune.
Right.
And anyway he pulled it offand became the singer on the whole
record.
Just like that.
In the studio as they'retracking that record became a record.
I don't know if you knew that.
I did not know that.
That's actually.
Yeah.
And that's what got melistening to the record.
There's two tracks on thatrecord I've been listening to every
day non Stop.

(01:37:54):
And that's that Squawk tune.
And I'm starting to realizehow much like Rush that is that stuff.
You need to check it out, man.
As a drummer, you need to goback, go on YouTube, find that first
album, right?
Trick of the Tail.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
The first track.
I can't remember the name ofit though.
The first tracks of Volcano.
Something.

(01:38:14):
Volcano was the first trackand then Squonk.
Okay.
Just listen to those two songs.
Don't listen to the rest of it.
Just listen to those two.
Yep.
And check out the drum fillsand the time signatures and all the
stuff in those two songs.
And all of a sudden you'llstart thinking Farewell to Kings.
Really full on.

(01:38:34):
Never discovered that before.
Never thought of that in amillion years.
Till I disagree very well.
The King.
So, okay.
Oh, yeah, so I just read, justrevisited it.
And the drum fills and thesounds are wicked, man.
It's so good.
It's so good, man.
It's so good.
I'm telling you.
Have you ever heard him playin Brand X?

(01:38:54):
Yes.
Yes.
The guy's an incredibledrummer, man.
Incredible.
Incredible.
Brand X. Holy Brand X.
Who else drummed in that too?
They're all hot players, right?
Who else was a drummer inBrand X?
That's really good.
Phil's was Terry Bozio over in that.
Now I gotta look this up.

(01:39:16):
There's another drummerbesides Phil that was in Brand X.
So technicals.
I can't think.
Yeah.
Prog rock stuff, right?
Yeah.
Kind of froggy, but anyway, Ijust thought we know that we're talking
about bands and music.
I thought that was pretty interesting.
You know, I just.
Sometimes I'll just go intodeep code cuts and go back in time
to 70s or 60s and just give aband a shot that I hated when I was

(01:39:38):
a kid and nine out of 10times, when you're matured now and
understand drumming like I do now.
Yeah.
So doing it so long.
The respect thing is like me.
So good, man.
It's cool.
I really enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed revisiting that stuff.
I'm still not a Genesis fan, though.

(01:39:59):
Stuffy English bastards.
What do you think about, like,Stuart Copeland?
He's.
He's a master player, man.
He's amazing drummer.
He really is.
I'll tell you why.
He's an innovator.
Yes.
Neil Pert.
Kurt looked up to Copeland.

(01:40:19):
Looked up to him.
Loved him.
Wow.
Yeah.
Got Some.
Some of his stuff, I. I canhear it in some of the Rush records.
After Kurt got influenced byhim for a while and admitted it.
Yeah, yeah.
As he.
He fused rock with reggae andall the time signatures and turn
everything around.
Started playing back,backwards backbeats in and out of

(01:40:42):
the beat.
Yep.
And to the ear, you're like,what the hell is he doing?
He's just playing in and outof the beat to and forward, back
and forth.
But.
And reggae kind of is thatway, right?
Sure.
Oh, yeah.
I'm a big race.
But he.
Yeah, but he fused it intorock music and it just jams the way
he plays it.
Only he can play it that way.

(01:41:02):
All right, here's a drummer tothrow at you.
Local.
Local band called Propagandi.
Have you ever heard of those?
Those guys?
No, I don't know.
Oh, my God, that drummer, man.
Innovator.
Complete innovation.
They're one of the.
They're.
They're very indie band, but they're.
They're huge.
They're huge globally.
Like, they do UK tours all the time.

(01:41:23):
And they.
They were like.
They tour everywhere.
They're.
But they're from Winnipeg.
They're from Winnipeg.
Oh, yeah, they're just.
That drummer, he's just.
Where do they play in Winnipeg now?
Or.
Where does anybody play inWinnipeg now?
We were just there and playedthe Casino.
We were lucky enough to get toplay that.
It's a nice venue there.

(01:41:43):
But bar wise, the last time Iplayed a bar was I guess with Ottoman
at the Zoo before it got tore down.
Oh, yeah, the Zoo's gone.
The Albert is.
I don't even know if it's open anymore.
There's.
There's like the Goodwill.
There's the Pyramid.
The Pyramid still around,which used to be Spectrum back in
the day.
Right.

(01:42:04):
There's a place calledBulldog, which is absolutely tiny.
The Park.
I know that.
I know that venue.
Yeah, the Park Theater isactually doing some.
But where do these bands play, though?
Like, how do they.
Like, where do these bands play?
You're.
You're Talking about Moon 10and all these bands.
Yeah, they play all of those venues.
They just.
Oh, they.
They play them.
Okay.
That's what I mean.
So there is like a scene ofsome kind.

(01:42:26):
Oh, the scene is still happening.
There's still clubs to play.
Oh, yeah, for sure there is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Just some of the places wereobviously closed for Covid, but a
lot of them are opening up now.
There's a few venues that havejust opened up in the last three
or four Months.
But there was a period where alot of them were just shutting down.
Right.
Well, every city in the, inNorth America has gone through that

(01:42:48):
transition where the clubscene died.
Right.
Even.
Okay, so that's, it's not just Winnipeg.
That's why I asked you.
Because there's, there's onlyso many venues here in Toronto.
A giant city like this left.
Like all the, all the rockbars of my day are gone.
Yeah, they're just like, youknow, there's, there's, there's still
venues here, but theHorseshoe's still here and Lee's

(01:43:09):
palace is still here and thePhoenix Concert Theater and there's,
there's.
There's enough venues, butthere's only this many venues compared
to this many.
So is it the same thing that'slike, where it's, it's just the dance
club.
It's just, it's just.
Yeah, yeah.
Tie their arenas and arenasand concert clubs 2000 seaters or

(01:43:29):
the.
There's dance.
Like.
Like hip hop dance gigs, right?
Like.
Yeah, yeah.
The Park Theater is probablythe best in terms of sound quality.
Really good, like, really goodsound guys that work the place.
It's a converted movie theaterthat's been converted into a club.
It's a great place.
I've seen a lot of shows there.

(01:43:49):
It's.
That's, that's tough.
It's funny, in the 80s, whenwe first came to Winnipeg, and around
the time Kickox did too, youhad the Norlander.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, yeah.
The Zoo.
Yep.
Yeah.
The Norlander, the Zoo, theBlack Knight, the Canadiana, and
a couple of other strip barsthat were rock bars too, that I can't

(01:44:10):
remember.
Can't remember their names.
But it was, There was.
It was pretty healthy, man.
It was five or six big clubsyou could play in Winnipeg.
Good clubs.
Big, like, good clubs otherthan the Zoo, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
You guys still got it out there?
Oh, no, it's still here.
The scene here.
There's a friend of our show that.

(01:44:32):
He has his own show calledwhich Police and what he does literally
twice a week.
He's got a Winnipeg band on.
Oh, yeah, A different Winnipeg band.
He's been doing it for nineyears and he's still finding like
great Winnipeg talent everyweek, like twice a week.
That's good.
I mean, I'm just happy to hearthere's still kids out there that

(01:44:53):
give a. Oh, yeah.
That want to play and still do it.
Because, I mean, for a whilethere I was wondering about the Youth
of today, it's like, yikes.
No.
I have an 11 year olddaughter, so I'm just.
I go by what I've watched herdo and seen her classes in school
and what they're into.
I mean, my kid's a rocker, obviously.

(01:45:13):
Like, she loves that new.
She loves that new man.
She loves the Wolfgang album.
She's got a really wide variety.
I'm, I, I love how she'sinterested in, you know, a wide spectrum
of music.
Like she still likes the dancestuff, some of it, but sure, she
likes rock and roll.
I didn't really push it on her.
I mean, she has no choice tobe in the rock and roll by her dad.

(01:45:37):
Yeah, it's kind of.
There's no escaping the musicthat gets played in this house.
There's no escaping it, butthat's her decision.
I never pushed it on her ever, so.
Never pushed.
Oh, you gotta listen to VanHalen or you're gonna get grounded.
I don't do that.
Actually.
Like playing an instrument or anything.

(01:45:59):
Yeah, she plays drums and keyboards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mine, I don't, I don't pushher on that either.
I pushed her into hockey.
I did that.
Okay.
That was a big deal for me.
She plays hockey.
Yeah, I pushed her intoplaying hockey when she was really
young.
Unfortunately, Covid came.
She hasn't played hockey intwo years.
Too bad.

(01:46:19):
My.
Both my kids are.
They're on piano lessons andthen I.
Don't know if you can see.
Yeah.
Just behind me I got myelectric kit.
Yeah.
So it's not as loud for thekids, but they bang on there like
I, I want one of them so badto just pound on this.
This is weird, but I justcaught myself trying to look around

(01:46:41):
you at your drum kit.
Oh, really?
Yeah, you said back there andI started going like I was in your
room.
I just caught myself doing that.
What the.
This is insane.
Yeah, you go back there andI'm like, yeah, we're way back there.
Oh yeah, I see it.
Yeah.
Eddie, Eddie been.
Van Allen had that little tunehe used to play to Wolfgang and it's

(01:47:03):
on that record with Sammy there.
That's pretty good.
You know that little guitarpart he used to play as a little
lullaby pound cake record?
Yeah.
What a.
What a sweet sound and pieceof music that is.
Just short, but it really gets you.
It's beautiful.
You hear it?
It is, it's.
Wow.
It's cool, man.
That.

(01:47:23):
That little thing that's onyour necklace that a lot of people
nowadays would probably lookat it.
Would have no clue what it isright now.
Have you ever had anybody comeup to you and ask you what that is?
All the time, bro.
They don't know.
I'm not kidding.
Oh no, they don't.
And every time they do, Ialways say to them, ah, you're aging

(01:47:46):
yourself.
You know what that is?
Yeah, I get them every timebecause some of them know, they go,
hey, that's that 45 record thing.
Yeah, you're aging your yourself.
I know how old you are, butmost people don't know what it is.
They think it's like a sataniclooking thing.
They don't know, right?
They never say that.
Oh, well, that's cool.
That's cool.
What is that?
But the history behind that.

(01:48:07):
Hey, you know what the, thereal name of that is?
If you were in a trivia, doyou know what you know?
No, I don't.
What would you call it then?
You don't know.
Yeah, right.
That's what you'd call it, right?
A 45 record center.
It's really called the spider.
Really?
What?
I'm not kidding you.
This is, this is called a spider.

(01:48:28):
S P Y D E R. It was man.
It was invented by Capitol Records.
They came up with the name,the whole thing.
And it's a 45 record piece centerpiece.
That is what it is.
But the real name for it is a spider.
S P Y D E R. So if you were ina trivia pursuit game and they asked
you what is that yellow thingthat goes.

(01:48:48):
Goes on a small 45 record?
Remember that?
It's called a spider.
That's cool.
Is that the actual size if youhad a 45 right now?
Yeah.
This was custom made by a jeweler.
It's the exact one done in.
In silver.
It's pure.
So it's a silver one.
Pure silver.
Nice.
Very nice.
This would work.
You could take a 45 and itwould work.
Yeah.

(01:49:09):
Oh my God.
Like you could punch it in areal 45 and it would play the record.
It would work.
I've yet to do it.
It's an exact replica of the yellow.
The little yellow question, Todd.
Yeah, that was great.
Good question, man.
Cheers.
More trivia.
We're teaching people left and right.
Learning a lot of off this.
Oh, nice.

(01:49:29):
Yeah, awesome, thanks.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for coming down.
You guys have a good night.
Wish me luck on the Monstersof Rock crew.
For sure.
Hope I don't get Covid.
Okay.
I'm vaxxed anyway, folks.
Fuck it.
Okay, awesome.
Have a good night, boys.
Thanks, brother.
See you later, okay?

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