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Anyway, welcome to the SeanGeek at Fast Fred podcast.
You can hear some voices inthe background.
We get my brother, Fast Fred here.
Anyway, so this week we have acouple of guests.
We brought the entire crewfrom, and the podcast will rock.
Gentlemen, do you want tointroduce yourselves?
My name is Corey, and it's areal pleasure to be here on the Fast

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Freddy and Geek Boy Show.
Where's Karen?
I want to talk about she Hulkkicking around her somewhere.
Yeah, she's coming on.
Oh, she's going to be on a Wednesday.
We're prepping the 400thepisode and we're not sure what to
do.
And one of the suggestions wasto have the four co hosts because
there's Karen, but thenthere's also the other Corey, Corey

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Geek, who's been on.
A.
Few dozen episodes, I'm sure.
So maybe thinking of doing thefour of us, and then the another
original co host who lives in Montreal.
She said she'd be willing tocome back for it, too.
So maybe we'll do that.
We're not quite sure.
We're still plotting and planning.
We'll see what we're going to do.

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So 400, that's big.
We're on.
What are we on, Mark?
42, 43, something like that.
We're in the 40s.
Yeah.
So.
Oh, Mark and Meyer here.
Hello, everybody.
And if we're talking she Hulk,I'm here for it.
Have you.
Are you up to date on she Hulk?
Oh, yes, absolutely.

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All right, maybe when I haveKaren on, I'll get you to come on,
too.
I love the Karen shows thatshe laughs at everything.
It doesn't matter what she says.
There's a giggle at the endthat just.
It just brightens my daywhenever I hear it.
But yeah, no, she's.
She's awesome.
Yeah.
So Corey Geek is gone, I hear.
I was angling for my own SeanGeek Crash Threat nickname, and then

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stupid Eric Senich went andtook my other suggestion.
He's.
He's slow Eric now.
I was going to be slow Cory.
I'm thinking maybe I should.
I'll lay claim to Fat Corey orOlder Corey.
Old Corey.
One year.
One year older.
Thank you very much.
Happy birthday to Corey, everybody.

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Actually, I think you're justslightly older than.
Than Corey Geek.
Oh, really?
Older.
Yeah.
There you go.
Slightly older with age.
Yeah.
Like a fine wine.
We get better with age.
So are we Fine wine Corey?
There it is.
Fine wine Corey.
Okay, I like that.
Yeah, I like it because by the.
End of the show, we need onefor Mark now.
Yeah.
Yes.
Think.

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Okay.
Anyway, so what are we doing today?
So I wanted to have you guyson because, you know, just because
we've.
We've done your show twice.
You haven't done our show yet,but I wanted to bring you on to do
something because we don'thave a format.
You guys have a pretty solidformat, but we just.

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Todd and I go off the cuff alot of times, and a lot of times
we'll come in with two orthree ideas that we want to do for
that particular episodes.
We do, and then we don't doany of them.
Todd tells me about his day.
He.
I tell him about mine, andthen we're off in the weeds.
So we probably noticed that onyour show, we'll start talking about
something.
All of a sudden, we'll justveer left at Albuquerque, and he's

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like, where the hell did you go?
Well, and that's where we havethe most fun.
And then the fans tell us, youknow, don't let the show go off the
rails like that again.
Off the rails.
I know.
I'm like, what the hell areyou talking about?
It was fun.
Like, you can't tell me peopledidn't laugh during that episode.
Yeah, I heard.

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I had a lot of great feedbackfrom that last episode you guys did
with.
So, you know, to every.
To everyone who had a problemwith us going off the rails, sorry
for you.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
We're allowed to have fun.
This is exactly.
This isn't a news.
Yours isn't a news podcast.
It's a fun podcast.
You know, it's not.
One of us is wearing a tie.

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We all just get out of bed.
Hello.
Good morning.
I thought about 8am I thoughtabout putting Bailey's in the coffee
this morning.
I guess you can't see my coffee.
If I had some, I would havedone that.
Who's Bailey?
An old friend.
Anyway, so we were trying tocome up with what we were going to

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have you on to do, and then.
So Corey is from Saskatchewan.
Yes.
Mark is from Tennessee.
Yep.
And we're like, I wonder if Mark.
Mark.
And my musical takes, I think,are a little.
A little more aligned and then.
But I was wondering, like, ifyou've only heard American music

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or only heard a little bit ofCanadian music.
I'm like, your.
Your mind's going to be blownwith what we can bring to the table.
So between me, Todd, andCorey, we thought we could bring
a nice pastiche, if you will,of Canadian music hitting, you know,
kind of the four corners of Music.
If there's.
Is it Four Corners, I don't know.

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Sure.
To bring some, some greatclassic stuff, some, some newish
stuff, and from rock to metal.
So you had an assignment,Mark, to listen to the songs, and
you made it through the listwithout spoiling anything yet.
What do you, what's your opinions?

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My opinion is, and I, I spokea little bit about this before we
went on air.
There are a lot of these songsthat speak to my musical sensibilities
and the aesthetic that I liketo kind of present and the things
that I enjoy.
So I'm really, really shockedthat some of these bands just really

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never registered with me, like.
But I'm, I'm not 100 convincedthat I hadn't run into some of these
tracks along the way in mymusical journey, because sometimes
I just, sometimes I just let amusic playlist just take me away,
and I'm not even payingattention to who the artists are
or what the song is called.

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I just kind of just let it go.
Pleasantly surprised by this list.
There was a couple ofsurprises that I was saying, oh,
well, of course this is on thelist, and I'm very happy about that
because I'm familiar.
But overall, yeah, this, thisplaylist was good for me because
it spoke to all mysensibilities when it comes to the

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music that I like to listen to.
Oh, so it hit a bunch of thedifferent tenants of what you like.
It did.
Yes.
We did it, guys.
We did it.
Very well done on this playlist.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna be honest.
I.
When I was doing my list, Idug out the Hearts on Fire book as
recommended by Biggie fromthe, the Booked on Rock podcast.

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Slow Eric.
Yeah, Slow Eric.
Yeah.
And so, so this guy wrote abook on Canadian music.
There was a, there was aperiod of time where music broke.
Canadian music broke hugethrough the rest of the world.
Bands like Arcade Fire, the RKels, the Weaker Thans, bands like
that.
And he wrote a whole bookabout how all of a sudden Canadian

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music was huge in the Statesand most people didn't realize they
were Canadian.
So I went through there.
And he created playlists forevery chapter on Spotify, on Amazon,
and on Apple for every single chapter.
So it's, it's, I, I wentthrough the whole thing.

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I spent days going through thewhole thing.
And then I found a bunch ofplaylists, Canadian playlists.
And anyway, I, I, I probablydid about 12 hours of prep work for
this episode.
How much homework did you do, Todd?
Close your eyes.
What do you See, yeah, no, I just.

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I just threw in a couple ofsongs that I, you know, that were
Canadian, that were fairlyiconic here, but maybe not so much
in.
In the US I think, but there'sa lot.
But there's a lot of bandsthat, I mean, like Burton Cummings,
I'm sure you guys have.
Well, or bto, I guess, wouldhave been a big one that they would

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have heard of in the Statesand I'm sure Triumph, maybe, I'm
assuming, because they.
I mean, they.
They've done tours and stuff.
I guess it'd be mostly the.
The bigger bands that havedone tours in the U.S. the smaller
bands, you know, likeHarlequin and.
And those guys.
I'm not sure if they actuallyventured out as much as those other.

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As those other bands.
I know Triumph was huge inTexas, in the Southern states, for
some reason.
I'm not.
They love Power trios.
Yeah, that tracks, I think,based on.
Just based on the song that I.
You guys put on this list.
I went.
And I'm.
That's one that I'm quite sureI have heard along my journey before.
Seriously.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I definitely know I knewthe name Triumph.

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I just couldn't.
When.
When I looked at the listinitially on the surface, I went
like, ah.
Which one's Triumph?
I know, I know that.
So I'd like.
I don't know if I've heard them.
And then I.
When I listened to thisparticular song, I went, I'm sure
I've crossed paths with thissong before.
And having listened to it forthe show, I went.
And you're telling me theywere big in Texas, maybe?

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Yeah, I could see that.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're.
They were.
At the time, them and Rushwere like, probably the two biggest
exports for rock bands, I think.
I'll tell you this right now,the biggest band in the States.
I'll go on record.
I'll.
I'll speak on behalf of allthe American numbskulls over here.
The biggest band that werecognize is 100% Canadian is rush.

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It's always going to be rushed.
Anytime you ask any sort ofrock or metal fan name a Canadian
band, it's going to be Rushevery time.
So I'm sorry that.
That stereotype exists for areason, but.
They're the right person.
They're fantastic.
And.
And they also have.
It's not a thing against them,it's just they also are probably

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the biggest Canadian band withas much longevity, I would say.
I know they're not playinganymore, unfortunately, but I mean,
they've earned theirretirement, let's say.
But it's just because they'vebeen around for so long and they
have had many, many hits overthe years, so.
Of course.
And also skilled musicians.
So even here in the Stateswith us numbskulls, we're going to

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recognize when good is good.
Well, I mean, we first startedtalking about doing the show.
I asked Mark, like, do youknow any Canadian music?
He goes, oh, yeah, I've heard Rush.
We have more than one band.
Seven.
Yeah.
And I think, go ahead.

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I was just gonna.
I just wanted to add to that.
And it's like, yes, and.
And I recall making the.
The Next Joke, which was,wait, they don't all sound like Rush.
And wouldn't you know it, oneof the songs on this list, there's
a Getty Lee cameo.
And I was trying really hardnot to be like, I'm pretty.
I was like, that sounds likeGetty, but I don't want to just assume

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that's Getty, because it'slike, oh, all Canadian bands sound
the same.
Like, well, I mean, but thatguy sounds like Getty.
And sure enough, it's Getty,so I can be forgiven.
Getty also guested on.
On another track.
Which you guys played on your show.
Yeah, that's right.
Which was Take off, eh?

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Yep.
Still one of the greatestalbums of all time.
I. I have that on CD and Istill listen to it regularly.
Bob and Doug McKenzie.
That's right.
It's great.
They also did.
Bob and Doug also did thevoices in that Brother Bear cartoon.
Brother Bear, Yeah.
Which nobody understood there.
Everyone was like these.
I don't know who's doing these voices.

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Like, these bears are funny,but why do they sound like that?
It's like, you guys don't.
You guys don't even.
Like you've never seen Strange Brew.
You don't know cctv like the.
You damn kids in Canada.
I think that was a huge thingbecause it was.
They reunited for that.
Right.
So it was.
It was like a dealing.

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Very big deal.
Yeah.
That was the.
The only claim to fame to thatmovie was that reunion.
I don't remember anything elsein that film.
No, there's nothing elsememorable about it.
I think there was a bear init, maybe.
I'm not sure.
I'm assuming it's in the title,.
So.
So they're touching anothergeneration of.
Of people now, I guess.

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Yeah.
With the bears.
Yeah.
Well, they tried.
Anyway, like I said, I don'tthink that movie did very well.
Well, it did well in Canada.
I'M gonna guarantee you that.
Well, there you go.
That's all that matters.
And we're going to start with the.
We're just gonna play a littlebit just so you guys understand like,
what we're talking about.
So it kind of has some, somereference here.

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So we talked about Triumph andTodd selected this one.
Todd, you want to give us acouple of tidbits on the song?
Well, growing up I had, I hadlearned actually the song Midsummer's
Daydream, which isn't a.
Like a classical type piecethat Rick Emmett had had written

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and played, but listening toother songs, it was like, wow, this
is pretty cool.
Like you could hear a phaserand stuff, you know, with what he
was playing at the beginning.
And when you're younger, it'slike, well, what's this sound?
And, and how did he get this sound?
And you know, when you're, youknow, when you're eight, nine years
old, it's like, well, youdon't have a clue, right?

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But later on it's like, okay,well, he's using either a phase or
a flanger or a chorus or, youknow, something in a sound.
But yeah, this was probablyone of the first bands that I had
tried to, I guess, emulate.
So, yeah, it's a, it's a cool song.
Went to their concert.
That was the very firstconcert I went to, was a triumph

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one.
I think it was thunderousseven back in the mid-80s.
That's a great album.
Yeah, they had like a hologramscreen in the middle of the middle
of the arena where they hadthis face talking kind of like Max
Headroom, but not really.
What?
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It's quite the thing.

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Triumph, Magic Power Live inHalifax doesn't get much better than
that.
I'm actually gonna put thevideo on because my, my introduction
to this song was the videobecause they played it on Power Hour
on much music here in Canada.
And I saw this and I just.
How they commanded the stage.
So I, I kind of want to play afew minutes of this just so Mark

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and kind of see what they looklike live.
It's a nice 12 string intro.
Very nice.
And just got a good idea ofwhat they probably look like live
just from listening to thesong and looking at like when.
What date did they do this?
Like, oh, I see.
Well, it's your typical 80shair metal with the funky Dave era.

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Pants with the stripes.
And you know, of course, now for.
Me, for me, because I wasfamiliar with Rush.
And then here's another powertrio from Toronto or Toronto area
or Toronto adjacent.
And I'm like, oh, there'sanother band that's not from the
Maritimes.
That was my kind of opinion,you know, another band from Toronto.
But then I saw them and justlive, they were a bit more dynamic

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than Rush.
They were more flashy.
They weren't as musician wise.
I don't know if they were asgood as Rush.
I mean, they're, they're.
They're phenomenal.
But I mean, Rush is at thatnext plateau.
Right?
But they were a little moreexciting live.
They're running around thestage all the time.
They're, you know, it.
Completely different kind of energy.
So I. I kind of.

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I kind of dug that.
Where's Aha from?
Norway.
What really?
Aha is from Norway.
Why do you know that, Mark of Norway?
Why do you know that, Mark?
Because they.
I'm thinking of a different band.

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That's from Norway.
Mark is the lead singer of aAha Tribute band.
Oh, I knew.
I knew it.
Oh, are you gonna go see?
How did you know that?
You're not supposed to know that.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
And then for.
I guess for the concert, theyplay one song and then get off the

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stage.
Look, let me tell you, though,and you can look this up.
I'm not.
I'm not making this up.
This is why I know thisbecause I did a dive on Aha at one
point.
Are still highly regarded in Norway.
You know, people make jokesthat David Hasselhoff is still a
king in Germany.
Aha.
Aha are gods in Norway.
Really.

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I'm telling you, it's.
It's very.
It's very strange.
But I mean, who am I to knock it.
I'm writing this down.
Here's an episode idea.
Aha.
Norway's.
Whatever happened to.
What was the band from backhome down East?
They were from.
Was it East Coast?

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No, no, no, that's the French one.
No, no, it was a mainstreampop band.
Oh, Sloan, was it Sloan?
No, I'm thinking of adifferent one.
This is like mid-80s.
Like mid.
Like 84.
I can look it up later.
Okay, you gotta look it up.
All right, so let's.
Let's stadium band.

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Let's play a little bit ofthis video here and then.
I don't know.
This is my introduction.
Oh, sorry, we.
We missed one.
Sorry.
Corey, what was yourintroduction to this song?
Ah, geez, I'm trying to remember.
Probably much music.
I watched much musicreligiously as a kid.
That was our.
Our answer to.
To MTV and Triumph.

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I don't think Ever reallytoured much around the prairies at
the time.
Even Canadian bands skipSaskatchewan for some stupid reason.
But like, yeah, I never got tosee a lot of the bands on this list
because they just don't playSaskatchewan and Triumph is one of
them.
They probably missed the treewhen they're going down the highway.
Yeah, probably.
We were.
It's always a joke thatSaskatchewan's the rest day, right.

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They usually hit Winnipeg,then they get a rest day driving
through Saskatchewan.
Then they do, you know,Calgary or Edmonton or whatever.
So it was kind of similar with Triumph.
But I was really happy whenTodd put Triumph on the list, especially
this track.
It's one of my all timefavorite Triumph tunes and they're
kind of known, you know.
Rick Emmett left the groupthere for a while and he was replaced
by Phil X, who's a name thatMark might know.

(18:42):
He's the current lead guitarplayer of Bon Jovi.
He played in Aldo Nova andFrozen Ghost, a couple of Canadian
bands.
So I didn't know he's actuallya member of Triumph.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
I did know that he played inBond plays in Bon Jovi.
I did not know about hisprevious bands.
Yeah, he was in.
He was in Triumph for a goodlong while.
And Triumph actually reformed,what, not that long ago.

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Just two, three years ago.
They did a three song set for some.
They were being inducted insomething, I think, and they got
back together.
So who knows?
Maybe they get Rick Emmettback in the fold.
Maybe they'll pump out somenew tunes.
That'd be great.
All right, let's.
Let's hit play.

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Same old story all over again.
You turn a lover into justanother friend.
I wanna love you I wanna makeyour mind.
Won't you lay it on the line?

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I'm tired of playing.
I'm tired of all your mindsmaking me say why don't ask for much
truth will do just fine.
Won't you lay it on the line?

(20:29):
Let it on the line Lay it onthe line.
All right.
We could.
I could easily listen to allof this, but we have a show to do.
I want to say the.
The bassist.
Yeah.
Kind of looks like the bassiston Spinal Tap, Derek Smalls.

(20:52):
Yes.
I'm just.
I'm just mesmerized by thevocalist's lovely bouffant that he's
got.
Isn't that something?
Oh, the 84.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then I don't know what'sgoing on with that drummer back there,
but he's surrounded.
Surrounded by a drum set very,uh, Neil Peart.
Uh, reminiscent.

(21:14):
You really need all those.
Yeah.
I was going to say it's like ababy Neil Peart kit, you know?
Yeah.
About 60% of what Neil had onhis kit.
And he does a lot of singing too.
Yeah, he's got.
They both.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Todd.
Sorry.
You just get that big swingboom mic every once in a while you'll
see him throw it in and he'llstart singing.
They were actually covocalists in the band, so kind of.

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I don't know, it was half and half.
But this, this track.
And I'm not sure if the restof Triumphs catalog kind of follows
the mold, but this track kindof gives me docking and sort of like
a little bit of Def Leppard vibes.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't, I don't know ifthat's by design, but that's one

(21:58):
thing that I noticed for sure.
That's why I was convincedthat I have heard either this song
or I've heard Triumph.
Somewhere down the road of mymusical journey.
I wanted to.
So it's interesting.
Vocally, Rick Emmett kind ofsounds a little bit like Getty.

(22:19):
The higher range kind of thatreally high range.
And the drummer too has areally, really high range.
I kind of wanted to point outthis picture here.
Derek Smalls again.
Yeah, yeah.
He's wearing, he's wearing a kimono.
Oh, is that what that.
I believe so.
Or a house code?
He just got out of bed.

(22:39):
Yeah.
I. I can't not see a dude fromSpinal Tap now.
I know.
That's just, that's.
That's all I see.
But do you guys remember Rushdid the kimono thing where they're
all wearing kimonos?
Yeah, that was at the beginning.
Yeah.
No, I just remember themputting up instead of stacks of cabinet
speakers, just big chickenroasters or washing machines.

(23:01):
Yep.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
The snake.
The snakes.
And yeah.
The last two concerts.
Yeah.
Which.
Hilarious.
It's still, it's still funny.
The.
The drummer, you can't seewhat he's doing here.
He's got these shades on now.
His voice was almost his.
I don't know if his voice washigher than Rick Emmett's, but it
was damn high.

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And I remember stealing thetapes out of Todd's room like I always
did when we were kids.
And I'd put this on and youknow, I'd be air.
Or air drumming or using thebed to drum on and then singing along
and getting frustrated thatthere's no way in hell I would ever
be able to Sing a Triumph songbecause of that upper register.
Who do you think could.

(23:41):
Okay, okay.
Replace him with Ingui Momstein.
Does he not look like ayounger Inguy Malmsteen?
I was just thinking he worehis sunglasses at night before Corey
Hart.
Oh, maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's unusual for a drummer todo that.
Normally you'd see like, youknow, a bass, the bassist or the

(24:04):
guitarist, the vocalist, evenwith the shades, performing.
I've never seen the drummer do that.
No, it just seems like that'san opportunity for the glasses to
just go flying off of yourface, like everything.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I love the Triumph spelt outon the backdrop there in, like, with
the KISS lights.
So it's a marquee.
It's like a Broadway marquee.

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We are triumphant.
But this band did spend a lotof money on production.
Like you saw at the beginningof that video.
There was like a bigexplosion, like a big fire.
Fire display thing made melaugh pretty good.
I was trying not to fall intothe microphone just because I wasn't
expecting that.
It's that abrupt explosion.

(24:46):
Just lay it on the line like,oh, but there.
Shows like Todd.
Todd can attest to.
The show was in Halifax.
I think you saw him.
Todd.
No, it was a Monkton, actually.
Coliseum.
Yeah.
And they had like 3D visuals,like holograms and stuff.
Like they were doing reallyexpensive show stuff.
Yeah.
72 Newport.

(25:07):
Case of beer in the front.
Right in the engine compartment.
They actually.
I'm surprised they came toMoncton because New Brunswick is
one of those places just likeSaskatchewan, everyone just bypass
them.
Yep, yep.
You're lucky when they show up.
Triumph came to Moncton andthey went to Halifax all the time.
I remember that.

(25:29):
But anyway, so anyway, so thatwas Triumph.
That was Triumph.
So the other Ben.
What's the other band that wementioned here?
We mentioned Devin Townsend as well.
So maybe we'll play that one next.
I'll start with Mark.
Mark actually has some historywith Devon Townsend.

(25:50):
Would.
What happened when this showedup on your list?
I got excited because.
And then I was.
I was suddenly reminded, which is.
Or I was re.
Reminded.
Oh, right.
Devin is Canadian.
Duh.
Because I knew that because Iremember at some point I.
It was probably during one ofour talks or something of the sort

(26:12):
of going, like, what?
How many Canadian bands andartists do.
I know?
That's a good question.
I should go through the listin my head.
And, you know, it's.
It was hard to.
It was actually difficult forme to go like, well, wait, are they
Canadian?
No, they're not, but they are.
Okay, that's interesting.
They are.
And I remember, and I rememberspecifically my brain going, well,
Devin should be at the top ofthe list because I know he's Canadian.

(26:34):
And then I just forgot.
So when I saw.
When I saw the list, I went,oh, right, Devin's Canadian.
Yay.
Because I'm a huge fan ofDevin and all of his, you know, all
of his band, all of the.
The work that he's done,whether it's Strapping Young Lad
or Devin Townsend project orjust Devin.
Devin himself.

(26:55):
Fine producer, fine musician.
Well, I'll say world class musician.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, very big fan andhe's very dy.
He's probably one of the mostdynamic and versatile vocalists in
the rock and metal genre.
Very few people can.
I would.
I would put him in the topfive of versatile vocalist just in

(27:15):
the term that.
Yeah, just in the sense thathe can do multiple different.
He's not stuck.
He's not pigeonholed in oneparticular genre.
He can go anywhere he wants to go.
Mike Patton's another guywho's very versatile,.
And I feel those two areexactly on par with each other.
Yeah.
In terms of ability and verydifferent vocal styles too, yet they

(27:40):
can just.
They can stretch their range.
Yep, exactly.
Corey, do you have anyintrospection on this guy?
You know what?
Not really.
Haven't heard much from DevinTownsend, really.
The only thing I knew abouthim was that he sang lead vocals
on the Steve Vai album Sex andReligion way back in the day.

(28:00):
But I hadn't heard a lot ofDevin Townsend project or anything.
So this was kind of a pleasantsurprise for me too.
When I popped it on, I'm like,oh, this?
I. I'm getting educated heretoday too.
Yeah, this is good.
What about Todd?
Todd, what's your experience?
Devin Townsend,.
You know what?
From the.
The sound.

(28:21):
Once I hear the song, it'llcome back, but the.
The name doesn't really ring a bell.
Wow.
Look at that.
Wow.
So.
So I'll provide a little bitof history.
So I was introduced to DevinTownsend through Steve Vai's Sex
and Religion.
Was that the album?
Yeah, Sex and Religion, where Steve.
I, Steve Vai needed to find a vocalist.

(28:44):
It's sort of like he did his.
His passion project, which wasPassion of Warfare.
Sold a million albums, didreally well.
It was the first instrumentalalbum, sell a million albums, get
nominated for Grammys, a wholebunch of stuff.
And it's like, what.
What do I do next?
Well, how about finding avocalist that's is crazy on the vocals
as I am on the guitar.

(29:05):
And he grabbed Devin Townsend,who's as good a vocalist as Steve.
I is a guitarist.
So he brought him in.
But Devin was going throughhis mental issues at the time.
He hadn't been diagnosed withthe stuff he's diagnosed with.
I can't remember exactly whatit was, but he was.
He.
I don't know if he was onmedication at the time, but he was

(29:26):
very all over the place.
And a lot of drugs.
A lot of drugs influenced thatone and.
And drugs, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he was.
I don't think Steve couldcontrol him, and I don't think anybody
could control him at the time.
And then he was out of the band.
And then Steve went, you know,instrumental again.

(29:47):
So that was my introduction.
But then this song here, whichis the opening track of the Addicted
album, which was a trilogycalled the Devin Townsend Project
Trilogy.
The guy I worked with broughtthis into work.
He said, sean, sit down.
No, sit down.
We had.
We had big subwoofers in ouroffice, like it was a shipping department.

(30:09):
We could play the music asloud as we wanted.
He said, okay, now, ready?
And he hit play.
Holy shit.
This whole album, thisAddicted album is phenomenal.
It is.
You were gonna have to sitdown because your knees were gonna
buckle anyway because of thewall of sound that was about to hit
you.
That's why I told you to sit.
Yeah.
It was just so.

(30:30):
So life changing for me.
It was.
I hadn't heard anything likethis, and I'm like, this is that
guy.
So then after that, I did adeep dive, and I have about 13 of
his albums now.
And he has an ambient album,which is just like relaxation music,
you know?
But he's also, as you can seehere, there's a show called the charismatic

(30:54):
voice on YouTube, which I'm asubscriber to.
Oh, yeah.
She's like, yeah, I do.
I've watched her videosbefore, and I always watch when she
does Devon videos just becauseshe just seems to have a, let's say,
an experience watching andanalyzing Devin's.

(31:14):
She had them on.
She actually had an episodewhere she had tea with him.
The inter.
She interviewed him.
They had tea together, andthey talk.
Oh, I didn't see that one.
Oh, it's awesome.
It's awesome.
He's such a gentleman.
He's just.
I don't know.
He's so.
He's so normal now and so giving.
He's just.
Anyway, relatively.
I don't know if you.
If you follow his Twitter andInstagram, you might say, like, oh,

(31:37):
okay.
So.
No, not really.
He's not that.
Oh, really?
Okay, Well, I don't.
Maybe he's a buffoon, but,like, in the best.
Best sort of way, just becauseif you listen to any.
Any of his music, he's like, okay.
So he.
He approaches the music in avery professional, like, analytic
way.
But his presentation sometimesis like, what the hell is.

(32:00):
Is going on through his head?
Man, this guy's weird.
So.
Okay, I'm going to hit play.
I'm curious.
Okay.
Are you sitting down, Todd?
This is that song that youhave to sit down for.
Are you sitting down?
I'm.
I'm sitting.
I'm ready.
Okay.

(33:07):
It.

(33:33):
Sam,.

(34:20):
Sorry.
I want to make sure we get thedifferent levels of vocal that he
does, because you can hear him screaming.
And then I can't remember thevocalist he had on this.
The secondary vocal is.
He had.
This is the woman that hecontinuously, I think, since this
album and throughout, he.
He keeps bringing her back.

(34:40):
Yes, he does.
I am.
I am struggling on her nameright now.
I apologize.
But it's.
It's basically once she.
Yeah, you could probably lookit up.
Once she entered the fray,she's been a constant.
And in his albums, it's nothis wife.
It's.
It's another lady who's just afantastic vocalist, I think.

(35:11):
Well, on the person on thealbum, they have Annika Van Giersberg.
That's who it is.
Annika.
That's it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, she.
She's great.
She actually sings lead on, Ithink, a couple tracks on this album.
But she does hyperdrive, especially.
Yes, that's right.
Yeah.
So he.
His vocally, he can do anything.

(35:32):
He could do straight opera.
He can do the ultra screaming.
There isn't anything he can't do.
And then he's also an amazingguitar player, an amazing producer,
and he has a wall of sound.
Everything he does, that'skind of how he approached because
he's also produced.
He produces his albums.
And that's literally thephrase he.

(35:54):
He uses as the approach toeach album is to create the wall
of sound.
And when you listen to it onrecord, it's.
It shows because it's just somuch sound just coming at you at
once.
But I tell you, though, asmuch as I like this track, this is
the only one.
This is the only person onyour list that I straight up knew

(36:15):
and I knew the song right away.
But as much.
As much as I like addicted.
If you guys, to yourlisteners, if you Re, if you don't
know Devin Townsend and youreally want a good example of what
he can do per song, look upthe song Kingdom from his album Epic
Cloud.
Yeah, yeah, that.

(36:36):
I mean, first of all, that whole.
As far as I'm concerned, thatalbum is his like Ninth Symphony
just in terms of versatility.
But Kingdom is absolutely everything.
Like, if you want a goodexample of what Devin can do musically
and vote, especially vocally,all wrapped into one song, it's that
one.
Most especially.

(36:57):
This guy's like a chameleon.
Yes, definitely.
He really.
So I was expecting to hear,well, I want to play, you know, stuff
just like Vi does.
And I'm thinking, well, that'snot Vi, that's like death metal.
He definitely.
He doesn't play like Vi, but he.
I mean, he's still.
That doesn't deter his abilityto play guitar for sure.
He's.

(37:18):
But he's very rhythm based.
Am I correct?
You guys are not familiar withStrapping Young Lad?
Oh, I am.
I definitely.
Oh, okay, okay.
That was his first band whereit's just basically just a death
metal band.
And he played guitar and didvocals and he was the rhythm guy,
but he did.
There's not a ton of solos inthat band.
So he's very rhythm based.

(37:38):
So that's why when you listenDevin Townsend Project, you're not
going to hear a lot of crazysolos from him just because, you
know, he's sticking with the rhythm.
Here's a picture of astrapping young.
Lad, looks like Kim Mitchell.
Oh my.
The Glorious Skullets.
Yeah.
Kim Mitchell on a 14 day bender.
Yeah, back in.

(37:58):
That guy hasn't awesome.
Back in the early 90s.
Oh my God.
He went from.
He went from looking like MethHulk Hogan to Lord Voldemort.
There you go.
Yeah.
Look at that, man.
Jesus Christ.
But you know what?
Like, I met like I met him ata show, right?
And just the nicest gentleman.
I was like so stunned with hownice he was.

(38:20):
And there was some kid therethat was having.
That had some.
Was having some issues withdepression and stuff.
And he spent 15 minutes withthis kid just to make sure he was
okay.
So, you know, your music getsme through all these hard times and
I can't remember if the kidwas bipolar or something, but you

(38:42):
know, he's like, your music'shelped save me.
And he took the time regardless.
Everyone else was like, wewant our time with Devin.
And he's like, I gotta look, Ihave to talk to this kid.
Like, this is my job as a Musician.
And he actually took the time.
So that actually impressed the hell.
That's awesome.
Yeah, music's very powerful.

(39:03):
Very powerful.
Absolutely.
So on this.
Yeah, go ahead.
I was just gonna say.
Well, it's.
It's good to.
To know that there are.
You know, it's.
It's nice when a musician canrecognize when they are.
When they're called up to kind of.
They taking the responsibilityof like, okay, this fan, you know,

(39:26):
sees me in a high regard andmy music obviously did something
for them.
It's.
It's nice when a musicianactually takes the time to acknowledge
that and to make sure thateverything's copacetic, because there's
a lot of musicians that theydon't give a shit.
Yeah, yeah, no, very true.
But for a musician, I mean, toknow that someone has been affected

(39:48):
by your music is such acompliment also.
And to know that you'rehelping someone, which is kind of
twofold, it makes the musicianfeel just as good as the person who's
listening to the music.
That's right.
So you had mentioned that helooked like Kim Mitchell after a.

(40:08):
Here we go.
Tell me I'm wrong.
So here's a picture of KimMitchell back in the day.
Now this is post Max Webster,and he had his big.
Was he always old?
I think so.
He.
He looks.
Because he, like.
All these pictures I'm seeingare obviously from different eras,
but his face looks the same.

(40:32):
Look at that.
This is probably when they didBattle Scar, I'm guessing.
Probably, yeah.
Back in the Max Webster days.
Oh,.
This is so cute.
I don't know why it's getting me.
I. I think it's the way KimMitchell is.
Is holding Getty with, butjust holding.
Gettys like he's his grandmaor something.

(40:54):
So.
So Max Webster was KimMitchell's band before he decided
to go solo.
And, boy, that music was allover the place.
It was really bizarre.
Would it be consideredprogressive like prog rock or Corey?
What do you think?
Oh, I think some of it, for sure.
You could consider Prague Rock.

(41:16):
They're kind of new, wavy punk.
You throw some folk in there.
Like.
Like you said, Max Websterkind of checked all the boxes.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And they had.
They had some rocking tunestoo, like Hangover or Check.
Like, those songs were justgood rockers, but they did.
So they did bring Gideon to doa song together, which has been covered

(41:39):
a number of times by heavier acts.
We're gonna play that just tokind of introduce.
Introduce us to who KimMitchell was before he went solo.
And then we'll maybe bookmark that.
With what he did when he wassolo and the difference in sound
that he had, I think thatmight be a nice way to look at it.

(41:59):
So here's Battle Scar.
Max Webster,.
Satan.

(42:40):
Thousand years found a fist inan empty field Only quarters for
me, I feel.

(43:31):
And the white man's fe Make a bed.

(43:52):
Oh, Getty.
Goosebumps.
Not just Getty.
That's Alex and Neil playingon that too.
Rush was playing along withMax Webster while they recorded that.
Oh, really?
Okay.
While I was listening to thissong, and I had already had in my
mind the whole joke betweenCorey and I was like, wait a minute.

(44:14):
All.
All Canadian bands don't soundlike Rush.
What up?
That sounds like malarkey.
And then I listened to thissong, and lo.
And I was like, wait a damn minute.
Like, oh, it is Rush.
Well, when you hear that bass,it's pretty unmistakable, right?
Oh, God, yeah.
Well, I was going to ask.
So Getty played bass and didvocals in this?

(44:36):
Yes.
Or.
And now you're saying, like,the entire band was involved with
this song?
Yeah, Alex Neil recorded this too.
And Kim Mitchell's.
Kim Mitchell's the original.
Like, the guy who starts singing.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.
So that was Battle score.
So I guess let's just go right into.
Go first, go for a soda.
I think we need to watch thevideo, though, don't we?
Oh, yeah.

(44:57):
I imagine there's.
There's got to be a video tothis song.
This.
This was.
This is the one song that Iwas just kind of like.
Okay.
It was a mainstream song backin the 80s.
I believe it was a hit inAmerica, too.
I thought that it actuallycharted in the States.
I mean, it probably did.
But this was.
That was before my turn.

(45:19):
So this is what this is.
I get.
This was his.
His.
Okay, look at me.
I'm Kim Mitchell from Max Webster.
This is his kind of his big.
And I do want to say Todd, andyou'll probably agree with me, this
is the video that our oldbuddy Bugamo shows up in.
Ah.
Okay.
You ready?

(45:40):
Sure.
Give me that.
Wow.
Say, greek business.
Wow.
This bloke,.

(46:03):
60S furniture.
What my hair looked likebefore it fell down.
Whoa.
Special effects.
He jumps right out of the tv.
Tiny Kim.

(46:27):
Look at that outfit.
My goodness.
Watches.
More special effects.

(46:54):
All right,.
So, Mark, not a fat, curlyhair dude.
The curlier dude looks likeDustin from Stranger Things for one
thing.
That's hilarious.
She looks like fat ScreamPreach for us older guys.
Yeah, he looks like.
That's My buddy.
But one of the guitarists I. Igrew up just loving was.

(47:16):
Was Bugamo.
He was.
He looked exactly like this guy.
And I got excited like, oh, myGod, that's him.
That's him.
But it's not him.
But.
You can be forgiven ofthinking it was like, well, it looks
like him.
So it's not that I'm not a fan.
I just, like, this was thekind of.
The one I went, yeah, all right.

(47:37):
Yeah.
It's like, I could.
I could see why this would be.
I mean, it's catchy.
It's a catchy little rock tune.
Not necessarily my favorite onthe list, but it's like, you know,
you can't win them all or.
A fun zone.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fun.
That being said, I'm sure KimMitchell, even solo, probably had
some.

(47:58):
Some pretty good bangers.
We're gonna play this oneright after, see.
Rock and Roll Duty, I think,is the one that I.
You know, it maybe I mightknow this one.
It's definitely more up youralley, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, let's just play itreal quick here.
Everybody's all set.

(48:21):
Now.
He looks like Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Let's do Rock and Roll Duty.
You guys want to do that forthe sound check?
Yep.
I definitely know this.
Yeah.
Turn up the drums.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(48:45):
Turn up my bag.
That is.
That's probably one of thesongs Todd's played the most.
Yeah, it's kind of like theCanadian Huey Lewis.
That's a good comparison.

(49:08):
I thought the Canadian HueyLewis was Brian Adams.
No, he's the Canadian.
He's the Canadian Bruce Springsteen.
Yes.
Oh, you know.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Good call.
Yeah.
Thinking about the plight ofthe Canadian man, what I like is
Kim Mitchell's playing in abar, doing a sound check, and he's
got, like, a grizzled oldprospector playing solitaire or something

(49:28):
during the sound check.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
We could do a whole podcastabout Kim Mitchell.
I'm just.
I'm just realizing now, justKim Mitchell videos.
I mean, throw on easy to tame.
That's a pretty good one.
Oh, my God.
Do I got to do it now?
Sorry.
Damn you, Corey.

(49:48):
Yeah, his videos are always good.
It's just the official video here.
Oh.
Not awesome sound quality, but.
Oh, boy.
Oh, it's intentional.
But the static, maybe.
I think so.

(50:18):
What am I doing to make you so sad?
What am I doing to make you so sad?

(50:40):
Okay, wait a minute.
This just a jigalo.
This is.
It's got the vibes of the Justa Gigolo video.
It does.
Yeah, maybe so there you go.
Same person.
Didn't Dave.
Kim Mitchell's the CanadianDavid Lee Rock.
There you go.
But he was always fun.
Like fun guy.
Sorry, go ahead.
Suddenly.
Suddenly.
Go for soda.

(51:00):
Doesn't sound so bad afterthis one.
So the other thing is he had.
So in his solo band, he had aco vocalist who sang who co. Saying
some of the other songs.
Yeah.
PI Dubois, who is.
I don't know, phenomenal.
Still touring with them too.

(51:21):
I saw Kim Mitchell a coupleyears ago at Casino Regina and PI
Dubois with them and.
Oh, really?
Giving that classic Mitchell sound.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it's like the bassplayer from all the notes.
But anyways, he's all over the place.
Like he can play any kind of music.
He's got some Logger nail.
Is.

(51:42):
That's a good heavy one.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
It's just.
I don't know.
Todd.
Todd plays a lot of KimMitchell in his cover.
They're fun.
They're fun songs.
Kim Kim's songs are usually.
You know, he looks like it.
Like when he's making his videos.
You can tell he's just tryingto have fun.
Yeah.
Any.
Anything else on Mr. Mitchell?

(52:04):
Still kicking it.
I know he's playing a casinoMoose Jaw here not that long from
now.
I'm gonna go try and check himout again.
Puts on a good show like.
Like Todd said, it's fun and alittle bit of everything.
Go for Soda is a catchy little tune.
You got kind of mellower stufflike this.
Patio Lanterns, of course, washis big hit.
Oh.
Back in the 80s.
Big in Canada.
Never charted anywhere else.
But I always.
I'll pop on Kim Mitchell'sgreatest hits on a Sunday when I'm

(52:26):
cleaning around the house andhave a good time.
Oral Fixations was the better.
Was the best album, I think.
But Moral Fixations,.
There are more obscure songsbecause they didn't really have a
whole lot of them on the radio.
But like, from front to back, it's.
It's a good album.

(52:46):
What do we want to put onnext, Todd, what do you think?
Killer Dwarfs.
There you go.
Yeah.
All right, Todd, yourintroduction to Killer Dwarfs.
What was your Killer Dwarfs?
My introduction was.
It was either much music or.

(53:08):
Metal for Breakfast.
Yes, I believe it was Metalfor Breakfast Back.
Back in the old days when we had.
Was it Teen Encounter.
Oh, my God.
With.
With Wayne LeBlanc, we hadmetal for Breakfast playing on the.
On his tape deck.

(53:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those were the days.
Wow.
You Got to give context.
Everyone's like, I don't knowwhat Todd's talking about.
Yeah.
I'm like, what?
Well, this.
It's.
They used to have a thingcalled Marriage Encounter.
I don't know if they still door not, but it was.
I don't know, it was put on bythe Catholic Church or something.
It was pretty much a weekendgetaway thing.

(53:50):
And they.
They kind of.
I know.
It was kind of one of thosetherapy things for couples.
And I guess they had.
They had one for teens and wejust kind of got hooped into it without
knowing.
Yeah, we're going to thisthing with all these teens.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.

(54:10):
And we get there, it's like,oh, you can leave church.
Yeah.
So.
But yeah, on our way outthere, that's.
That's what we were playing.
And it was.
It was a good.
It was a good album.
And some of their stuff was.
Was really good, too.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that was my.

(54:30):
So that was a compilationalbum that you discovered them on?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like one of those K Tel.
Not K Tel, but Metal for Breakfast.
Kind of the same idea.
Was just kind of a mishmash ofa bunch of metal bands at the time.
Corey.
Well, I remember back in theearly 80s, before I had much music.
We had Good Rocking Tonight oncbc, hosted by Terry David Mulligan.

(54:52):
Yes.
And Stu Jeffries.
And they used to play killerDwarf videos all the time.
So that was probably my firstintroduction to them.
Oh, my God, that was such agreat show.
Terry David Mulligan is.
You should go back to music.
I know.
He really should.
He's a famous reporter andstuff for.
Was it CNN or wherever thehell he went to.
But I don't know, man.
His.
He was a good music journalist.

(55:15):
The best, in my opinion.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I'll never forget GoodRockin Tonight because I answered
a trivia question on the show.
And the prize I got was a huntfor Red October ball cap.
Wow.
Which I still have kickingaround somewhere.
I don't remember the triviaquestion, but I still have the hunt
for Red October ball cap.
I hope it doesn't have a, youknow, hammer and sickle on it.
It did, actually.

(55:36):
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Don't ever pull that out.
Ever.
Oh, man.
What about you, Merc?
My introduction to this wasthis list that you guys sent me.
No, come on.
Because Corey even said, like,you might know the Killer Dwarves.
And I was like, the name doesnot ring a bell when I listen to

(55:59):
the song.
This is another one where Ithought maybe Maybe in passing.
I have heard, if not thissong, maybe this.
This band at some point.
But I mean, honestly.
And I was looking through alot of their catalog and I was going,
I don't know.
I really don't know if I'veever come across this band or not.

(56:19):
They were.
They were mistaken for a newwave of British heavy metal band.
And a lot of.
A lot of the globe thoughtthey were from England.
So I could see that based.
Based on how this one sounds.
And I think they were biggerover in Europe than they were Canada.
I don't think they were thatbig in Canada.
I think they're kind of bigeverywhere else.

(56:40):
We had Daryl the.
The drummer.
We actually had him on the show.
We just approached him.
Hey, you want to be in the show?
He goes, sure.
And it was literally that simple.
And there you go.
What a gentleman.
And I actually got to see him.
This is a Bucket List concertI've always wanted to see was the
Dwarves, and I saw them openfor Skid Row and Pantera.

(57:01):
That was.
That was.
It was those three bands.
And during the Skid Row set, Itold the story before.
I'll tell it again.
During the Skid Row set,Sebastian Bach brought out Russell
the.
The singer.
Wait, Russell?
No.
Yeah, Russell.
Sorry, Russell, the singerbrought him out and they had a sing

(57:21):
off in the middle of a set.
It was literally like Bazwould like sing a line and then the
Dwarfs guy would do it,emulate it, and then back and forth,
and then it was like theywould one up each other.

(57:42):
So of course I'm gonna sing,the other guy's gonna go.
And then they just goinghigher and higher and higher and
higher.
That's lost.
He lost.
Oh, wow.
Completely lost.
Russell's upper register isridiculously high.
And he hasn't lost it.
Like we just saw.
Like I said, I just saw him afew weeks ago and he still sounds

(58:04):
amazing.
That's surprising.
Back in.
I mean, Sebastian's like, inhis heyday, man.
He.
He was almost untouchable.
This was Slave to the Grindera, that this, this show was slave
to the grind.
And they're a vulgar.
Yeah.
Oh, that was one of the bestshows ever.

(58:25):
I have heard of this tour.
So the fact that Killer Dwarfswas on that tour.
Okay, cool.
So then they got introduced toa lot of American audiences then.
So.
Yeah, it makes it moresurprising that.
That I don't have, like aclear recollection of having listened
to them, because now I'malmost positive I've come across

(58:46):
them before, but not this song until.
This list right now, this wasoff the first album, which was on
Attic Records, which was aCanadian label.
They.
Well, as you can go back andlisten to our episode, it'll tell
us all about Attic Records.
But they basically took thedeal that you can be on the label.
We're not going to pay you acent, but we'll.

(59:06):
We'll finance.
We'll finance.
You'll have music videos,you'll get airplay, you'll get tours,
but you're not going to getpaid for the album at all.
So basically.
Basically how the recordlabels run these days.
Yes, pretty much, yeah.
Pretty much, yeah.
But.
But it broke them, right?
Like, it broke them.
They got to open for.

(59:27):
They get to play with Iron Maiden.
They get to play with, like, alot of huge bands that were.
And they became friends withall these people.
Nikki Sixx produced Daryl's.
He had a band called Ottoman.
I think it was Ottoman that hewas talking about.
I think he produced an Ottomanrecord of his.
I've heard of that.
Yeah.
So I think he might be thevocalist in that.

(59:48):
I'm not sure.
The drummer might be thevocalist in that one.
I'm not sure.
But.
But anyway, they're.
They're.
I love these guys.
And it's.
It's weird that I get a chanceto talk to Daryl.
Like, it's bizarre.
But anyway, let's play the song.
So this was their introductionto the world.
Sam waiting for a laptop forthis thing to break.

(01:00:54):
People give me hassle Justgive me me.
A soundtrack for me while I'm working.
Is it a.
Is.
Is it like a mandate that wassent out that all Canadian heavy

(01:01:15):
metal singers have to have,like, a high upper range?
Like, is that just how.
That's right.
Yeah.
It's the weather when.
When things get cold when.
When the berries get frozen.
Right.
The voice goes up.
So apparently so.
So, yeah, yeah.
It makes.
Makes total sense that theseguys played with.
With Maiden because this.
This song gave me some.

(01:01:37):
Some big, like, Maiden and,like, Early Priest vibes.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Which is why I was kind oflike, I. I just feel like I've come
across this band at somepoint, but I just couldn't pull the
name.
But yeah, it's.
It's very, very reminiscent ofthe time when this came out.
Not.
And that's not a bad thing.

(01:01:57):
That's just like.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like oneof those bands.
I'm not going to play them,but they did a trilogy of videos
from their second album whereit tells a story.
We Stand Alone, Keep theSpirit alive and shit was the other
one Now Stand Tall.

(01:02:20):
Basically it was telling thestory of this indie band.
Wow, this is very recent, thisshow here.
Yeah, it was back.
Wait a minute.
This is.
This.
Was this a show?
Was that 2022?
Yeah, July 30th.

(01:02:40):
This lady looks very familiar.
There was a lady in theaudience, like photographing everything.
Anyway, maybe that's theirtouring photographer or something.
Yeah, maybe so.
Anyway, so it was a trilogy ofvideos that basically talked about
how they get signed to arecord label, how they were asked
to sell out and all get tansand have particular haircuts and
dress particular ways.

(01:03:01):
And then the third video washow they broke off from the record
label, went independent, madetheir own records and self released
their stuff.
It's very meta.
It's.
It's.
Yeah, very meta.
Very, very smart.
And.
And the videos are just great.
And basically Russ.
Russ, the singer, he's kind ofplayed off as the.

(01:03:22):
He's.
He's a dwarf.
He comes out to the stage in a crate.
They open the crate, he jumpsout of the crate and after the show
they shove him right back inthe crate and go to the next town.
So he's interesting.
Yeah, that's their shtick.
Is he a short fellow?
Yeah, he's.
Yeah, he's very short.
He's like 54 or something.

(01:03:44):
Oh, so he's like the singerfor Accept.
Yes.
Anyway, let's move on to the list.
I kind of want to play thisone for Corey here.
Do we want to put some pikeson here?
Oh, I'm absolutely ready forsome pikes.
I wanted to pick one a bandfrom Saskatchewan, and I'm not a
big fan of the Sheepdogs,which is kind of the other big band

(01:04:07):
from Saskatchewan.
So I had to put a littleNorthern Pikes on here, I think.
Mark, in an earlierconversation I mentioned the one
track they did that charted inthe States was a song called she
Ain't Pretty.
And you had mentioned youthought you had heard that one.
So yeah, I tried to go alittle bit.
A little different here, alittle more up tempo.
I appreciate that.
I've played she Ain't Prettyso many times.
Alive.

(01:04:28):
Yeah.
Drum still one of my favorite songs.
But yeah, I always thoughtthis was an underrated song by the
pike, so I agree.
Okay, let's take a listen here.

(01:05:00):
Nothing can happen with thesewicked lies we lead everything goes
wrong and then I come backWaiting on my knees and she spins
my head around just like atwister she shakes me up When I sit
down Just like a twister Turnthe lights down low we.

(01:05:26):
Because your daddy's cominghome I didn't want him Find me somewhere
I don't belong Romeo, where tolive so perfect in the dark no one
else could hear us when we'requesting Turn our silver part right

(01:05:48):
here Just like a twister.
Oh, man, that's such a good song.
It's very blues.
Very kind of like.
I. I don't want to use theterm outlaw country because I really

(01:06:10):
don't like.
What the hell does that.
What the hell does that mean?
But like, kind of ironically,like Americana sort of sounding at
least.
Yeah.
Which ironic because not evenclose, but being a Canadian band
and all.
But the song, this song inparticular sounds like one of those

(01:06:32):
and very, very 90s sort ofinstilled, you know, the 90s were
an interesting time for rockmusic because you had all walks of
life giving you all sort ofdifferent genres blended together.
It wasn't all just grunge andmoody music.
There was a lot of.

(01:06:52):
A lot of differences.
And this.
This kind of reminds me of.
Of that era, which I believethis is One of the 90s era songs
on this list.
If I'm not right.
Yep.
There you go.
I wanted a song that if Markever came to visit me in Saskatchewan,
we sat down at a bar, thiswould probably be playing on the

(01:07:13):
jukebox or a song like it.
It's a bar song.
It's absolutely a bar.
So that's.
That's what I mean when I sayoutlaw country.
I was like, no, what I reallymean is it's a bar song.
That's right.
And I.
And I dig bar tunes.
Todd, you're.
You're.
What's you with this band?
Well, the band itself.
This song is first time I'veheard it.

(01:07:35):
I've never heard the song before.
Oh, no.
Oh, wow.
No.
Okay.
No, but it is.
It is in their wheelhouse Ish style.
Yep.
But yeah, I was amazed to hearit had kind of some.
Some blues tendencies in therebecause they weren't really.
It was more of a pop, like you said.
The song that you were.
You were saying that you.
You hear all the time.
That was more what I was usedto hearing.

(01:07:57):
Yeah.
So this just kind of shifts itjust a little bit.
But.
But it's good.
I like it.
And the Pikes are still out there.
They got Kevin Kane from theGrapes of Wrath, another Canadian
band.
Oh, wow.
He's playing rhythm with themright now.
They're out there touringGraves of Wrath.
Well, that was a big one.
That's one that easily couldhave been on the list.

(01:08:18):
I want let's stick to the samesort of not formula, but same style.
Let's or not me.
Well, I don't know, I. I feelthis band is the same era too.
They're band called the Odds.
They had a couple of massive hits.
I'm surprised Hudson currentBen doesn't play either one.

(01:08:38):
I'm really shocked actually.
It's whatever Dan comes up with.
Yeah, he'll show up at a practice.
Hey, let's try this one.
So I was like, okay, let's try it.
So I put this on the listbecause I know Mark's a big Kids
in the hall fan and the kidsin the hall are actually in this
video for this song.
Oh, okay.
Well then we got to put it on.
That makes.
That makes so much sense.
Of course.
Of course they would be on the song.

(01:09:02):
Here, I'm gonna put it on here.
And action.
Hi, we're the Mixed Knots andwe're gonna do an improv for you.
So what we want for you is.
A topic heterosexual men.
Okay.
Can we have a band now?
The odds and it could be atthe genre rock video.

(01:09:30):
I'll give you funny hat.
God.
I want to make every woman I.
See I want to make every woman.
I see do you know what?

(01:09:51):
What's the matter with me?
I'm a heterosexual man Just a heterosexual.
Man.
I wanna do every woman I knowI wanna do it to them.
In their clothes I wanna make it.
With them don't you know I'm aheterosexual man?

(01:10:14):
It's just a problem with my plan.

(01:10:38):
Oh my God.
Todd, why is your band notdoing this song?
You as the bass player wouldkill on this song.
You got to bring this and you.
Got to do it in drag.
You have to do it in drag.
You absolutely have to.
Well, that's like on some ofthe songs, like when you're playing
a cheap sunglasses and thenyou put the sunglasses on or if you,
you know any, any type of song that.
That has a prop to it.

(01:11:00):
Yeah, just see.
Yeah, no, I don't know if wewould do that.
But the song.
You know what?
I'll bring it up and we'll seewhat the.
We'll see what they say.
I think it would have beenfunnier if they had gotten Scott
Thompson in on this video forthe obvious irony of it all.
Yes, yes, you're right.
That would have been just hysterical.

(01:11:21):
I don't know why Scott andBruce weren't in the Video.
It was just the.
The other three, but maybethey just.
Weren't into the idea.
I was like, no, we're notdoing that.
That sounds stupid.
You know what?
I've never seen this video before.
This is.
This is great.
Oh, great video.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
And by the end, everybody's in drag.
Yeah.
Naturally.

(01:11:44):
I like to make their songs fun.
Canadians like to make theirsongs fun.
For some reason, but always,like, great musicianship.
Like, the musicianship on thesong is, like, ridiculously amazing.
Yeah.
Mark, what do you think?
Yeah, I love that.
It's.
It's.
It's very.
It.
It's a very ironic song, justin the sense of, like, please don't

(01:12:06):
take this seriously.
Like, this is like, we're hereto have fun.
This is a fun song.
Look at the video, for God's sakes.
This is like, we're not.
We're.
We're poking fun at, like.
I feel like this song is justa direct poking fun of, like, you
know, toxic masculinity, evenback then.
Yes.
Like, just straight up.
And even if you look at theband, it's like.

(01:12:27):
Like, look at how.
Look at how we look.
Like, if you're.
If you're gonna take usseriously with.
This song, we don't look like Nickelback.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, this is not.
This is not, you know, bro,butt rock.
You know, it's.
No, not at all.
Just 90s fun.
This is Canada poking.
Probably poking fun atAmerican rock music, to be honest
with you, but it's hilarious.

(01:12:47):
And, you know, certainly thevideo featuring members of Kids in
the hall does not hurt it.
It just makes it not makes it funnier.
So that's how I took it.
Like, I was entertained by this.
It's like, just because thisis just fun and it's funny and, you
know, I like it so much morenow because of the video.
Corey.

(01:13:08):
Yes, sir?
Your two cents.
Oh, my thoughts.
Oh, Odds were a great band.
This is from the album Bedbugs.
It Falls Apart was anothergood song off this one.
I always remember the video,though, as being really funny.
I was a big Kids in the hall fan.
Still am.
Another new season they putout on Amazon I thought was phenomenal.
And Craig.
Absolutely.
And Craig Northy from the Oddsactually wrote the theme song to

(01:13:29):
the Saskatchewan based sitcomCorner Gas, which was pretty big
in Canada.
I didn't realize that.
Yep.
Oh, I love Corner Gas.
He wrote the theme song andthe song they play at the end of
the show, too.
I. I shouldn't have made that connection.
I just didn't realize it was them.
Yeah, we don't.
We don't have Nickelback orBieber on the list, I hope.

(01:13:51):
No, that'll be for part two.
Part two.
Well, Nickelback is not.
I don't know why everyoneshits on Nickelback.
I don't mind Nickelback.
Yeah, it's a. Yeah, it's a good.
I've.
I figured it out.
It's mostly the US for some reason.
Yeah.
It's.
It's the U. S. Well, they'rein parts of, like, Europe and South
America, but that's becausethey just don't dig that type of

(01:14:12):
music over there.
But I figured it out.
It's not so much the banditself that the, you know, people
like to on.
It's.
It's the fact that they're fans.
They're the fans that.
That the band attracts.
Yeah.
Tend to be some of the worstfucking people in the world.

(01:14:34):
It's, like, worse than BostonBruins fans.
Sorry to Boston, but your fansare terrible and very toxic.
Yeah, very toxic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very, very bad.
And they attack everyone else.
Yeah.
Well, it's because forwhatever reason, Nickelback and bands
of the like seem to just.
They attract a particularbreed of folks.

(01:14:55):
And me being a Southern USResidents, I can tell you exactly
what kind of people tend toflock towards Nickelback.
And it's just not good.
It's not good.
It's a particular breed.
And I think when you add thaton top of the fact that a lot of
Nickelback songs are, youknow, at least in my opinion, mediocre

(01:15:17):
at best, but they're stillvery popular and they still, you
know, are playing the musicthey want to play.
So I got to give them that.
And they're successful.
A lot of.
I think a lot of people shiton them, too, because they're so
successful.
And, you know, people, you gotyour hardcore metal elitists who
are like, fuck that band.

(01:15:39):
But I think a lot of it has todo with the fans that they attract.
Don't give them a great representation.
So you combine all thosethings, and of course, the world
is just going to look at themas a joke.
But frankly, the joke is onall of us because, say what you will
about them, they havemaintained a consistency in terms

(01:16:00):
of successfulness for how manyyears now?
Like, a lot.
So what can we do?
The other thing, too, is theypushed hard.
The fame that they got and thepopularity they got was from being
persistent as hell, callingradio stations, demanding that they
play their songs, touring relentlessly.

(01:16:21):
But I. I have an Additionaltheory to add on to Mark's, because
I think Mark's theory isprobably accurate, but I think there's.
There's another aspect too,which is it spawned a million sound
alike bands.
Yes.
And those bands are actuallynot necessarily better.
So.

(01:16:42):
No, it's just.
They gave way to the.
Yeah, they.
They gave way to the.
The, as it's known as the ButtRock or the Bro Rock sort of era.
And you know, to be fair toNickelback, they didn't ask for that.
They didn't.
They didn't plan on that.
Just.
It just happened because thesebands started seeing Nickelback become

(01:17:03):
so successful with what theywere doing, and it's like, well,
they're not doing anythingparticularly hard, but they're playing,
you know, they're playing rockmusic and they're being very successful.
If we emulate them, that wewill be successful.
And then you get your theoryof a dead man's.
You know, you get your, Your.
Your skillets, you get your,you know, name a dozen more other

(01:17:26):
bands that sound just like them.
And then next thing you know,you've got this movement, as it were,
of Bro Rock and thateveryone's eating up.
But then, you know, there'sthis percentage of the audience that's
going, what the hell is this?
This is.
It also gets watered down too, right?
Like.
Yeah, it's just like the hairmetal scene.
The same thing, right?
Like, yes, it's exactly.

(01:17:47):
This is not new.
And then it just.
This happens in music every.
So every few years, this happens.
This happened in grunge.
You know, post grunge, this happens.
You know, that's.
That's really where you wantto put Nickelback is like, oh, they're
in the post grunge era becausethat's what they sound like.
You know, they sound likegrunge esque, but more modern.

(01:18:09):
Right.
So that you give them the postgrind sort of.
Designation now.
So Corey, Corey and Todd, youboth like Nickelback.
You think they're okay, right?
Yeah, I think they're all right.
Yeah, I think they're.
I think they're like.
For me, it's not my kind of music.

(01:18:30):
I just think they're kind of average.
Like, for me, I. I don't thinkthey're bad.
I just think they're.
It's not my.
It's not my cup of tea.
I, I don't.
I don't detest them.
They.
They were recently on a TalkIs Jericho episode talking about
why people hate them so much.
Yeah, you know, I, I heardthat one too.
And they talked about, youknow, some of their.

(01:18:51):
You know, the guys from Pantera.
You know, they loveNickelback, Vinnie Paul and dimebag
Darrell.
They were huge fans of that band.
But people don't like it whenpeople work hard and get famous.
People, like, just want toslam that.
Right?
I. I don't hate them.
I just.
It's not my thing.
But I think average was areally good word.
Average was the great way toput it.

(01:19:12):
I saw them live, but theopening for them were Danko Jones,
who is really interesting, andthen the band live and live Blue
Nickelback off the stage.
Oh, God.
Live is amazing.
Yeah.
Speaking of Danko, there's It.
There's the segue.
That's the segue we wanted to hear.
So we.
We actually covered this songsort of briefly when we had Shane

(01:19:33):
Wellen on the show, and wetalked about the Headstones and Tweeter
and the Monkey man, but weplayed the original version of.
Or no, we.
I think we played the original with.
We played this version.
So we're going to play thesong again.
So this is Tweeter and theMonkey man by the Headstones.
This was the song we'resupposed to play, right?
Yep.

(01:19:53):
All right.
Okay, here we go.
Tweeter and the Monkey manwere harder.
For cash they stayed up on ad.
Selling cocaine and hash to an undercover.

(01:20:13):
Cop who had a sister named Janher reasons unexplained she he loved
the monk man it wasn't for asky cross he went to be a man Found
out the hard way Nobody givesa damn, you know that they found
freedom just across the Jerseyline Hopped into a stolen cops of
Highway 99 when the walls came down.

(01:20:37):
All the.
Way to hell Never saw thewindow standing Never solemn when
they fell.
Ever put this video together?
Used clips from the movieSavages, which is an awful film,
but.
But the song's pretty good.

(01:20:58):
Yeah.
Going in 60 seconds.
Well, and it's a cover of aTraveling Wilbury song.
Mark, I don't know if you knewthat this is a Bob Dylan written
for the.
For the Wilburies.
The only song Roy Orbison, Ithink, didn't perform on that album.
But I always thought theHeadstones version blew the Wilburies
out of the water.
And I love that track.
But Headstones, I thought,really kicked it up a notch and actually
did this on a podcast with Ken Knapsack.

(01:21:19):
Mark, who's a fellow, youknow, and he loves Tweeter in the
Monkey Man.
We always thought, this songneeds to be made a movie of, you
know, who'd you cast asTweeter, who would you cast as the
monkey man?
I always thought Tweeter wouldbe a really good Steve Buscemi or.
Sorry, monkey type.
Maybe Vin Diesel.
Get him in there and tell thestory of Tweeter and the monkey man.
Yeah, I would have to reallydive into it, dive into the song

(01:21:41):
itself to really give you a better.
Oh, yeah, listen to thelyrics, I guess.
Yeah.
It tells you quite a story.
Yeah, it is.
It is a great song.
Todd, your intro to this one,.
I think I had.
Back in the day, we had beer.
When you bought beer, theywould give you a free, you know,

(01:22:03):
a toque or a hat or they had a cd.
It was a single and I thoughtit was the head.
It was the Headstones.
It wasn't this song.
I'm trying to remember whichone it was now.
There was a few different bands.
I remember Junk House had one.
Praying for the Rain came on aCD single with Molson Canadian.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
You would buy.

(01:22:24):
You would buy some beer andthey give you a cd?
Yep.
Cd.
Yeah, you bet.
What?
Duke bottle opener.
T shirt.
Great.
Canadian miniature Stanley Cup.
Yeah, it just.
Would this just happen anywhere?
Well, if you're buying thatbrand, yeah.
Wow.
There's a big competitionamongst beer brands.
We didn't.
We didn't do that here.

(01:22:45):
Not to my knowledge.
They don't do that anymore.
Remember Shreddies?
You used to be able to get afree toy in the Shreddies all the
time, but.
And now, I don't know.
I don't think they do that anymore.
Same with beer.
I don't think they.
They give out free swag anymore.
I think that with all thecutbacks, it's.
Yeah.
Not unless you're at a bar anda brewery comes in and, like, says,

(01:23:08):
like, here, try our new brew.
We're like, we're.
You know, it's a specialpromotion here at this bar.
Here's some free swag whileyou're at it.
Yeah, unfortunately for Mark,he's American, so he doesn't even
get beer.
He has 2% horse piss that theypass off his beer like Pabst and
Schlitz and all that kind of crap.
Absolutely.
Number.
Well, number one, Paps, is forhipster dumbasses that have no taste

(01:23:32):
buds.
Two, we don't have Schlitz here.
At least not in the south, we don't.
Well, they do in Montana,because when I used to cross the
border to get some cheap beer,you get like a 12 pack of Schlitz
for like five bucks.
Yeah.
And look, I drink.
I drink craft beer, thank youvery much.
So, like now.
Now who's the hipster?

(01:23:54):
Craft beer, Mark and Fine WineCorey on the Fast Freddy and Geek
Boy show.
Yes, I like it.
I like it.
The Todd's band plays Smileand Wave, I believe.
Right, Todd?
Yep.
From the Headstone.
That's a good one.
Did you know the Headstonesjust did a cover of the Wreck of
the Edmund Fitzgerald?
Oh, no.
Oh, really?
I hear that.
Yeah.

(01:24:14):
That's bold.
An up tempo version of theWreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Oh, I might like that betterthan you expected, Gordon Lightfoot,
but that.
Yeah, I might like that onebetter because that song, it's good,
but it drags a little bit.
Drag so hard.
17 minutes, I think the song is.
Or something My brother love.

(01:24:35):
My brother loves to jam thatsong regularly.
I have no idea why, but he does.
And I just go, bro, can we not?
Can we not?
Because it's just.
I don't have the time to justappreciate this right now.
When you watch the video.
When you watch the video for the.
For that from Gold, GordonLightfoot, it's.
It.
You almost have to put ajacket on because you feel like you're

(01:24:55):
freezing.
Yeah, it's true.
Because the boat's, you know,it's going through the water and
it's, you know, pretty rough.
Like, looks pretty cool.
I'm gonna listen to.
If I'm gonna listen to like a20 minute, you know, slow burn, epic
song like that, I'm gonnalisten to Alice's Restaurant Massacre
by Arlo Guthrie, you know, atleast that's funny, you know,.
So we said, like, GordonLightfoot's was 17 minutes.

(01:25:17):
The Headstones version is 4minutes and 46 seconds.
So that's how much they crankit up.
That's what I'm talking about.
There you go.
There you go.
Vignette.
So, Todd, was that true?
Smile and wave.
Your band does smile and wave, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, I think I rememberfrom last.
The last show.
I like that too.
That's a pretty cool.
Cool.
Some cool bass lines.

(01:25:37):
So.
I know, I know Mark's a videogame, not like Todd and I are.
Is that correct?
I don't know if that would beaccurate, but go on.
What?
I. I like video games, but Iam not an active gamer whatsoever.
I don't even own a consoleright now.
Oh, wow.
So there was a game calledLeft 4 Dead.

(01:25:58):
I remember Left 4 Dead, okay?
In the second Left 4 Dead,there was a guy in a white suit that
Was the singer for the Headstones.
Oh, that's cool.
Because he's also an actor andhe's the character I always play
when I play Left four Dead.
I know that Mike Patton didvoices or a voice on the game the

(01:26:18):
Darkness.
Yeah, there's a little.
Bringing it back to MikePatton for you with that.
Yeah, yeah.
There you go.
All right, so we have a couplemore songs left here.
I think I want to save this one.
I'm not going to tell the listeners.
I think we're going to savethis one for last.

(01:26:41):
Let's jump to some Canadian.
I wanted.
So you wanted your Northern Pikes.
I wanted my.
This band that we're going toplay here, huge in the city.
They got signed to a label.
The label screwed them over.
They.
I. I have.
I have some inside informationon this band because just.
I don't know throughconnections I have.

(01:27:03):
And they basically they're aband that has three vocalists.
They play blues rock, but fastblues rock.
They're really great.
They're amazing.
They were like the.
They were once listed as thebest unsigned Canadian band.
They toured Canada.
They toured the U.S. theyplayed everywhere.
Then they got signed to arecord label and the record label

(01:27:24):
came in and said Damon was thesinger for this band.
You'll maybe get the hints here.
They said, damon, you need tolose a couple of pounds if you're
the front man for this band.
You got to look nice.
You need to be shaven.
You need to shave more often.
You can't have five o' clock shadow.
You need to wear better clothes.
This isn't a backyard party.

(01:27:47):
We need one singer for this band.
This is too confusing withthree singers.
So, Damon, you're gonna.
As the best vocalist of the band.
You're going to be singing allthe vocals.
You guys can't do these sortsof songs anymore.
You guys have to do more ofthese kinds of songs.
And basically their.
Their major label debut, whichis actually a pretty good album.
They still managed to get their.

(01:28:08):
Their sound in, but they weretrying to neuter them.
So they.
They got the record deal.
They did a tour.
They had two songs that areplayed at every freaking hockey game
off that album.
But they.
They took a loss and get outof their deal and went indie and
released an amazing indiealbum after that.

(01:28:30):
But this is.
This band's great.
I've seen them I don't knowhow many times.
This song is the hockey songthat's played at every jets game.
Oh, boy.
Probably recognizes it.
I do have.
Now, this is interesting.
This album Is not available onstreaming services.
Yeah, I tried.
So I did.

(01:28:50):
On YouTube.
Yeah.
So anyway, I do have the videofor this.
And I don't know, like, Iwatch this video with a bit of skepticism,
because I can tell, because I.I've seen these guys live, and I'm
like, wow, Damon, you don'tlook anything.
Like, this is not you.
Like, this doesn't look like you.

(01:29:11):
They tried to make anotherband out of the bandwear.
Doesn't.
Yeah, sorry.
They.
Yeah, they just.
They neutered, like.
I don't know.
They neutered the look.
The sound was just a bunch of,you know, good dudes hanging out,
playing music.
And the song.
The music is still good, butyou can tell, like.
And then they do upwards shotsof Damon to make him look slimmer.

(01:29:34):
Like, it's just pisses me off.
Like, I know.
That's.
That's.
That's so condescending.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, so this band iscalled the.
They were called the BlueMeanies, and then there was a band
in Chicago that was called theBlue Meanies.
So they had to renamethemselves, even though they came
up with the name first.
So they called themselves theNew Meanies on their major label
release.
And this was the first singlethat was released.

(01:29:58):
And here we go.
Sa.

(01:30:31):
Can I give them water?
Yeah, yeah.
Every day and every hour I'mgonna walk till they flower.

(01:30:57):
I love the one shot of thebass player looked like a history
professor.
He's wearing, like, a tweed jacket.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
So that was three Seeds.
Mark your two cents.
Again.
This is one that sounds verymuch of the time of.
Of whence it came.

(01:31:18):
That's not a bad thing.
That's not a knock.
It's just, like, the moment Iheard it, I went, I'll bet this is
a 90s tune.
And if I'm not mistaken, I waslike, Yep, that's a 90s tune.
There's.
There's just something.
Sometimes you can justrecognize 90s tone.
And, you know, sonically, it's.
It takes you back to that era.

(01:31:38):
But I had never.
I was not familiar with thissong at all until this list.
So it, again, it speaks to mysort of 90s alternative sort of sensibilities
of, you know, the music I grewup with.
So wasn't mad at it whatsoever.
This is one of the best livebands you'll ever see.

(01:32:00):
So much energy, like.
Yeah, Corey.
Well, I hadn't heard a lotfrom this band either.
All I really knew about them,aside from listening to or watching
Winnipeg jets games was theirvery Spinal Tap esque way they were
named.
Of course, Spinal Tap was the Originals.
Then there was another brandcalled the New Original or another
band called the Originals.
So they changed their name tothe New Originals and then the Originals

(01:32:23):
changed their name back to the Regulars.
And so the New Originalsthought, well, we could be the Originals
again, or we could just sayfuck it.
It's kind of the same thinghere, but very 90s.
I kind of agree with Mark.
They're kind of the Northernpikes with the 90s edge.
Kind of, you know, good groovebased music.
Little harder edge than maybethe Northern Pikes.
And yeah, very, very 90sproduction on that.

(01:32:43):
But I dug it.
I thought it was pretty good.
Their album before this is athousand times better that independently
produced.
And the other two vocalistsare like, really good.
I would highly recommend.
That one's on.
That one you can stream.
But Todd, your intro.

(01:33:06):
There was another famous songthat they.
They did.
And we pass.
Oh, geez.
I'm assuming it's these guys.
The Henna.
Whatever lyric that was inthere, I think.
I can't remember,.

(01:33:26):
You know.
You know that lyric that I think,.
Was it Michael Bossier orwhatever it was that was playing,
I guess when we went to go see.
See the live bands at the bar.
And I believe it was one oftheir songs that they were playing.
And that was kind of my introduction.
It wasn't.
It wasn't an album that Iwould have went out and bought, but.

(01:33:46):
But I remember.
I remember hearing music.
Was it this one?
It's pretty good.
Is it this one?
How's it go?
Try that one.
No,.
This one?
No, but I did.

(01:34:07):
I. I have heard this song andit's really.
It's got a nice little grooveto it.
Get that telly twang.
Yep, that's.
That other guitar player isreally, really good.
Anyway, whatever.
So that was the New Meanings.
This.
That's my I.
And for me, this is the bestband that ever came out of Winnipeg,
period.
Better than the Guess who.
Better than anyone.

(01:34:28):
Oh, they're actually from Winnipeg.
Yeah.
Wow.
Better than the Guess who.
That is a hot take.
Oh, but I love these guys.
I've seen them dozens of times.
Every show is great.
They're just.
I don't know.
This was the first band I sawin Winnipeg when we moved to Winnipeg.
I went downtown, or what Ithought was downtown, took a walk,

(01:34:52):
heard music coming out of thisvenue, walked over to the venue,
walked in the door, bought aticket, walked in and these guys
were playing this is.
This was like a week or twoweeks into move or no.
Yeah, something like that.
After I'd moved back toWinnipeg and I was of legal age.
Yeah, it was like, wow, theseguys are amazing.

(01:35:14):
But let's move on to the last song.
This is probably the.
The.
Probably the best sellingCanadian band, maybe.
Best selling Canadian band,fourth best Canadian artist.
So I think you'd put BrianAdams, probably Celine Dion, Shania
Twain to probably be the top three.
Right?
But yeah, I don't think anyoneholds a candle to these guys, in

(01:35:37):
my opinion.
Like, they're just that good.
And this is my favorite songof theirs.
Corey, this was your favoritesong of theirs?
Yes, sir.
Todd, are you familiar withthis song?
As soon as you play it, I'llrecognize it.
Yeah.
I'm sure the names don't mean a.
Whole lot, but you guys do.
Your band does do a song offof this particular album though,

(01:35:59):
because I got really excitedwhen you played that song.
I think we do like three orfour of their songs.
Yeah.
No, you do.
But off this particular albumthat this is from.
This is the first CD I ever owned.
Was.
And this was the opening trackon it.
So this is the tragically hipwith grace 2.

(01:36:27):
Sam.

(01:36:57):
Said I'm Fabulously Rich.
Come on, just let's go.
She kind of bit her lip.
Jeez.
I don't know.

(01:37:19):
But I can guarantee.
I can guarantee there be noknock on the door I'm total broken
that's what I'm here for.

(01:37:48):
I come from downtown.
Ready for you.

(01:38:10):
He was creepy as hell.
I don't remember the video forthis one.
Yeah, I. I'd never seen it either.
Same.
But yeah, I definitelyrecognize the song.
Very good song.
Very good song.
Let's ask the.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Doug.
No, I was gonna say the RoadApples album was the one that.
There's quite a few songs on there.

(01:38:32):
I think we used to play whenwe were playing with.
With dad and In Vain.
That's right.
Yeah.
So, Corey, why is this.
You're one of your tops forthese guys.
To me, it encompasseseverything that I love about the
Tragically Hip.
Like when you got Gord Downeyknown for his unique vocal stylings,

(01:38:54):
but his lyrics.
And I really like the.
The story this song tells and.
And even in the chorus, youknow, armed with will and determination
and grace too.
Just fantastic, fantastic lyrics.
I love the groove of this thing.
I love it live in concert.
He would constantly.
Or sometimes he would changethe opening lyric from he said I'm
fabulously rich to he said I'MTragically Hip.

(01:39:16):
And I always thought that wasreally cool.
That should have been theoriginal lyric in the song.
That would have been phenomenal.
But this era of, you know,from Road Apples on up to this album,
which was Day For Night, someamazing songs.
The Hip really tell the storyof Canada.
And a lot of theirsongwriting, they tell.
They sing songs about easternCanada, about Western Canada.
They do a great song calledWeek Kings that's, you know, very

(01:39:37):
prairie based.
They talk about the Paris onthe Perrys, which is Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
They're very Bruce Springsteenesque, I guess, in that regard, and
that they're kind of tellingstories of our nation through their
songwriting.
And that's why we've kind ofembraced them as being kind of Canada's
band.
Yeah, Mark.
And I'm curious to see whatMark thinks of the tragic.

(01:39:59):
Me too.
This is a song I've definitelyheard before.
Don't ask me where because Icouldn't tell you.
But I've.
I've heard it.
Guarantee I've heard it.
And.
Which also probably means thatat some point down the road, I've
heard more from the TragicallyHip just without ever knowing that
it was them.

(01:40:19):
But I really, really dug this song.
The song's very.
It has that sort of moody sortof angst to it that was so prevalent
in alternative rock in the90s, which, again, big fan of it,
speaks to my sensibilities.
And the video that goes withit sort of encompasses that as well.

(01:40:42):
But I dig this.
And I.
And I really dug.
I was looking into the lyricsafter I heard it.
I was like.
Because I was trying to.
I was trying to pinpointexactly where I might have heard
this before, and I stillcouldn't find it.
Maybe I heard it.
Maybe it was featured on a.
In a movie or a show.
You know what?
They actually.
They did this on SaturdayNight Live.

(01:41:02):
Dan Aykroyd agreed to hostSaturday Night live in the 90s, but
he said, I'll only do it if Icould bring the tragically hip hop.
Oh, maybe.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it because.
Because I was.
I watched so much SNL over theyears, especially during the.
The 90s years.
And actually I was introducedto a lot of musical acts through

(01:41:25):
Saturday Night Live that Iotherwise might not have heard.
Funny enough, I was introducedto Morrissey from.
By Saturday Night Live.
And.
And then that.
Yeah, I was.
And that was when he was solo.
And, you know, we.
That's all we need to sayabout Morrissey.
But it led me to to go backand go like.
I was like, oh, my God, that was.

(01:41:45):
He was in the Smiths.
Oh, I, I knew the Smiths and.
But it was, you know, that'sjust one example.
And then I guarantee you.
Tragically Hip, I think, Ithink SNL was.
I think you nailed it, Corey.
That's.
That's where I heard him.
Didn't they do NauticalDisasters, the second song, Corey?
I think they did, yeah.
Yeah.
But that was supposed to betheir big American breakthrough.

(01:42:06):
Like, it was such a big thing.
The Chip are going to be on snl.
Dan Aykroyd's hosting, and itwas supposed to be their big breakthrough
in America, and it just didn't happen.
No, but I also, they reallywanted, I think SNL really wanted
them to play older songs.
They wanted to like, yeah,maybe that was Sinking or one of
the other ones.
And they're like, maybe that's.

(01:42:27):
We have a new album coming out.
We're playing the new songs.
And they could have been a LawMichaels thing.
Yeah.
But they wanted to do.
I love the intro from DanAkroy too.
He just.
Let me introduce to you myfriends from Ontario.
This is the Tragically Hip.
Yeah, but I, Yeah, no, I, Ireally dug this track and I, I really
want to go back and sort ofdive more into their catalog to see.

(01:42:49):
See one if I recognizeanything or just to.
Just to jam it, just to hearwhat the rest of their stuff sounds
like.
Because I really, really dugthis one.
I feel this album Day forNight that it's off of is.
Is dark.
It might be your good intro.
Just maybe start there.
Yeah.
Locked in the Trunk of a Carwas on this one.
Right.
So that's a good one.

(01:43:10):
Courage was a song I almostnominated to be on this playlist.
Yeah, I thought of that one too.
This is a very Canadianfeeling song.
I don't know.
They're.
They're, they're really good.
They're.
Sorry, those are from Fully Completely.
That was the album before.
Fully Completely.
Yeah.
Which is, which is also really good.
Those are my two.
My two faves day for namely completely.

(01:43:31):
But I, I, I made, I remember Imade a comment.
I said, I said they're kind oflike Dave Matthews, but much better
because I always said DaveMatthews was a poor man's tragically
hip.
And boy, oh boy, that didn'tdie very well.
No, I agree, though.
If Dave Matthews were good,they'd be the tragically him.
Yeah.

(01:43:52):
Oof.
Wow.
Am I the only.
Am I the only Dave MatthewsBand fan in there?
Okay, well, no, it's just like.
No, it's okay.
It was good.
I always felt like I'm justgonna go listen to the hip.
Like, that's for me, that'swhat it was.
So anyway, you know, he's.
Yeah, DMB is not for everybody.
I get it.
No, it's fine.
But.
So that's some Canadian music.

(01:44:13):
So I think we're going to callit here.
I actually do have to be somewhere.
I think some people are in thebackground are waiting for me to
stop this and so we can do our thing.
Corey, I'll.
Maybe I'll talk to you offlinefor some tips and tricks for.
Sounds good.
But anyway, thanks for coming on.
It was overdue and I'm glad wehad a fun way to do it.

(01:44:35):
I do want to do an episodelater that's a bit more.
Maybe less mainstream and abit more metal and punk and that
sort of thing to some, butsome Canadian.
Good stuff.
Mark, if you want to come backfor that, that'd be kind of fun.
I'm into it.
You know, you're speaking tomy musical tastes, so, yeah, I'm

(01:44:56):
down for it.
This was a fun.
This was fun to dive into.
Yeah.
And I'm very happy I wasintroduced to a new variety of Canadian
music.
So thank you, boys, for having me.
Awesome.
Plug yourselves.
Where can we.
Where can we find you both?
Well, they could find us on the.
And the podcast Will Rock.
We're breaking down the VanHalen catalog one track at a time

(01:45:19):
by the Spin of an Evil Wheelthat's given us two consecutive Balance
tracks.
So that.
That's been pretty good.
We've had a.
Just come off All Star Augustwhere you boys appeared on.
We just had Eric Senich and onthe show again.
And Mark's special lady was onthe last one, too.
So you can check that outwherever you get your podcast from.
I'm Also on Twitter, podcastwalk.com or sorry.

(01:45:39):
Podcast Will Rock, we have awebsite, www.podcast willrock.com
and get some merch, listen topast episodes.
And if you want to yell at mefor whatever reason, I'm @CD Morset.
On Twitter and you can find meat Mark the Bat on Twitter and Instagram.
And yeah, yell at me all youwant about whatever you want.
Check it out.
Most of the time I just rantabout the nerdy things happening

(01:46:02):
in the webisphere.
So, yeah, drop a line, listsome more obscure bands of the metal
and rock genre either inCanada or wherever that I might not
know about.
I'M always keen to learn more music.
Amen.
And you can find us atshangpodcast on all social media.

(01:46:25):
And what's the website?
Todd Sean mcginnity.ca that'sS E A n M C G I n I T Y.
Ribbed for your pleasure.
Oh, God, that's hilarious.
If a voice could be ribbed.
There it is.

(01:46:48):
Oh, my God.
All right, I'm going to stopthe recording.
Thanks, everybody.

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