The Science of Throwing: Inside Driveline Baseball with Dylan Newcomer

Sports Doc Talk with Will Sanchez & Dr. Grant Garcia

What connects elite MLB pitchers, AI-powered rehab, and innovative tendon-strengthening tools? They’re all revolutionizing baseball performance—and Dylan Newcomer is at the forefront.

Join us as we talk with Dylan, Founder of Athletic Potential PT and physical therapist at Driveline Baseball, diving deep into the latest science transforming how pitchers train, recover, and stay competitive. From managing partial UCL tears and Tommy John surgery trends to command training, force plate analysis, and the role of AI and wearables, this episode delivers insider knowledge you won’t find anywhere else.

If you’re a baseball parent, player, coach, or sports medicine fan, this is your essential guide to the future of pitching.

Topics Covered:

• The evolution of Driveline and baseball-specific physical therapy

• Why UCL rehab goes beyond rest and ice

• The FlexPro Grip and tendon stiffness training

• How AI enhances pitching performance and injury prevention

• Managing youth athletes for long-term success

• The shift from velocity to command in pitching

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Episode Transcript

(00:16):
Welcome, everybody to Sports DocTalk.
I'm Will Sanchez along with Doctor Grant Garcia, our
orthopedic surgeon, sports medicine specialist.
Really hyped to see you today. How are you?
You got the fly logo behind you,so you must be really excited
about today's show. Super excited.
I mean, this is baseball. Baseball season started and now

(00:36):
I got my logo. ChatGPT did a great job.
I I hit in a bunch of driveline,which we'll get into a minute.
This is what it shows up with. So it thinks that that's this is
the this is the future of baseball right here.
So this is awesome. We're really excited about the
guests that we have today, but before we get to, let's talk
about our friends at the Recovery Shop.
Doctor Garcia, I know you utilize them a lot.

(00:58):
Your doctor, friends and everyone else in the industry
utilize them, but let let everyone else know how important
the Recovery shop is. Yeah.
So, I mean, again, big thanks toour sponsors, but you know, this
is a day in and day out. They delivered for our patients.
The patients are pleased. They get products that they
can't normally get and doesn't matter if you get your surgery
done in the state of Washington,you go from Idaho, people who

(01:20):
fly in for surgery with me, they're able to still get access
to these high level products. And really any surgeon that want
to give their patients this sortof next level recovery, they
have it there. They have nutrition, they have
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(01:40):
hey, my surgeon's doing this. I'd be interested in having
those products because it's a pretty easy set up.
So anyhow, thanks guys. Yeah, and you know, let's, let's
before we get to our guests, we wanted to share with everyone
just our teaser for the show. Let's get right to it.
Let's do it. And if if I could get this to

(02:02):
work over here, we maybe we can't.
So let's get going here. Be nice, people.
Come on now. Here we go.
OK, we're cooking with gas. Let's go.
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(02:24):
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(02:45):
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(03:54):
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I'm hype. Let's bring them on.
Let's get Dylan, newcomer on theshow.
Dylan, welcome to the show Physical therapist at Driveline
Baseball. First and foremost, thank you
for taking some time to join us today.
We're really excited to have youand to talk baseball, to talk

(04:17):
physical therapy, to talk at all.
Once again, thank you for joining us today.
Thanks for having me guys, very looking forward to the
conversation here. And I think I think before we,
you know, we introduce him to understand guys, this is
different than we've had a lot of athletic trainers, we've had
a lot of physical therapists, but this is a different animal.
What Dylan does is extremely niche, right?

(04:41):
Baseball players, baseball, that's what he does and he is
lives it, breathes it. He works closely with Driveline.
He can talk about his relationship with Driveline, but
this is a a group that that's what they do, right?
You're a baseball player, you drive to Kent to have driveline
take care of you and you will there, there are many players I
take care of. They will spend the extra amount

(05:01):
of time, effort, money, whateveryou say to go there to have this
type of facility and have these type of people like Dylan to do
this. And Dylan's really one of the
the key foundations of this. So anyhow, Dylan, tell us a
little bit about yourself so theaudience can learn more about
this. Because I'm sure if you've never
played baseball before, you're like, what the heck is driving?
That video was sick. But I have no idea.

(05:23):
I just, I've never heard about this but this sounds so cool.
Yeah, I mean, driveline is well before my time is whenever it
started, I think back in 2012 and you saw a quick clip in that
video of some of the the early days of what made driveline
famous. But it really started out as
just a a training company down in Puyallup that made athletes

(05:43):
better than they were when they walked in the door.
They were very velocity driven. They've lived in controversy
their whole life. You either love them or you hate
them, but you there's no doubting that they have
influenced the game to a a substantial degree.
You probably can't go into a Major League clubhouse without
seeing 1 of Driveline's weightedballs somewhere in there, or at

(06:05):
least one athlete wearing a polesensor or things like that.
So it's a very influential company and I got the privilege
to become a part of it in 2022. But before that, I was a Mizzou
Physical Therapy student back inColumbia, MO.
And I actually was a strength and conditioning coach.
That was my background back in the day.
And I was doing that with a Driveline pitching

(06:28):
certification. So I was, I was kind of doing a
dual role back there. I was, I was being a strength
coach and throwing coach and helping athletes figure out how
to navigate that world from a performance spec side.
But whenever everything wrapped up with PT school, I came out to
Seattle 'cause I had to just be part of the company that has
been in such an influential partof my baseball career and my

(06:49):
professional career. So took that over in 2022 and
I've been here ever ever since. And Dylan, so tell us, tell us
about how you guys like integrate, right, 'cause it's
'cause then obviously you work with driveline, you to the
players and it's kind of like a symbiotic relationship.
It, at least from my understanding, we describe it to
you kind of like how does that work with you?

(07:09):
Because obviously you have this extremely premier facility
organization that's you know, and you will go into it, but
it's not just now in Seattle anymore or in Kent, it's an it's
expanded so. Yeah.
So my relationship with Driveline is I am the medical
provider and you know, Driveline's not a medical
company, so they can't outright hire to PT.

(07:29):
And so I own my own clinic, I run my own clinic and we have
this nice symbiotic relationshipwhere I take care of their
athletes. I get to see some of my own
private athletes outside of here.
You know, I get to enjoy the, the odd ACL or low back pain or
something like that. But 99% of my time is going to
be spent on those, those baseball athletes and, and
taking care of the athletes inside Driveline.

(07:51):
And it's also expanded like you mentioned.
So they they've opened up to Arizona, so they're in
Scottsdale and they just opened a Tampa, FL facility.
I think it was in October of this past year.
And so my goal over the next year or so is to expand down
there as well and get APT stationed at each gym.
And yeah, we're just going to betaking care of all the pro

(08:12):
athletes, the college athletes, youth, whatever comes through
the doors, make sure that everybody's in a good healthy
spot and trying to put rehab initiatives in a really trying
to push them through at a reallyhigh level.
Dylan, when was the first time that you heard about driveline?
For me, I know that driveline had has been around for a while,

(08:33):
but for me, the superstar, especially at the time that was
talking about driveline was was it?
Trevor Bauer, right? Yeah, Trevor Bauer.
And he was like a proponent, andI know his dad is an engineer,
was talking about mechanics and all these other things.
And it seems like driveline. And that relationship at the

(08:53):
time really was, it's a perfect cohesion, a perfect marriage.
And really that, like I said, assomeone that worked with Major
League Baseball, used to work with the New York Mets and being
in in that kind of that world, when he started talking about
it, that's when I was like, who's driving on baseball?
What's going on? And all the incredible things

(09:15):
that that was happening back then.
I guess that's what 2018 maybe roughly when Bauer was kind of
talking about this. So what was your experience and
or when was the first time that you heard about driveline
baseball that really kind of, you know, pulled you or
gravitated to working with them?Yeah, so my first exposure

(09:36):
wasn't actually Trevor Bauer, but it quickly, quickly became
on my radar. We had a student athlete at
Mizzou that came up here to train 1 summer and he came back
and was like, here's a plyo ball.
This is what we do. This is the Driveline program.
He introduced it to the pitchingcoach at Mizzou and the director

(09:56):
of physical therapy for the Mizzou healthcare system.
And because of that relationshipwith the the director of PT, I
had as a strength coach kind of in the healthcare system, he was
like, we got to get this here. So it was pretty much just like,
hey, you got to learn what Jive line is right now.
You got to start teaching it because this is going to be kind
of the evolution of the game. And so that was kind of my first

(10:19):
exposure to it. And then ever since then, it's
just been kind of living and breathing it.
Got you. Got you, Doctor Garcia back.
We lost you for a second. I don't know what's going on
with my Internet connection, buthopefully I'll make I'll survive
for the whole podcast. So anyhow, the can you can you
tell? So this is awesome.
I mean, I think what we understand is like is earth beak

(10:41):
surgeons, right? Like I see these players, even
if you're in team position, whenyou're in the dugout or you're
in back out back thing, you're seeing the players and they get
injured. But really that like gap between
injury and the game. We're not really seeing what's
going on behind the scenes and and and working now with Dylan
pretty closely. You know, there there's a lot
more that goes into us and we know this is this is it.

(11:01):
This is like it's not really thebest kept seeker because a lot
of the baseball players know about it, but like this is
really what people do behind thescenes or say, how do you get
them better? Can you describe to the the
audience? First off, obviously we we're
going to all the things you guysdo, but really why is baseball
so much different, right? Like there are other companies
that do different things for other sports, but nothing of

(11:23):
this level really. There's just not as much
technology used. We always talk about all the
cool things in football and coolthings and, you know,
basketball, but there's nothing to the level of precision and
sort of mechanics that we care more about in baseball because
it's such a complex and also fora valuable situation, right?
Like a, you have very few placeswhere the pitcher is so much a
part of the baseball thing or the swing.

(11:44):
So maybe you describe that a little bit more like what?
What makes baseball so unique and why?
Why baseball? You know, I think there's a
couple, couple different things we could go there.
It's definitely one of the most quantifiable sports.
And I think that's kind of the obsession of driveline is like
if we can quantify it, we can train it and if we can train it,
we can make the the player more valuable.

(12:06):
So I think that that has a lot of, you know, you know, interest
for especially high level players, but even at the just
the basic level, it's just been a passion project for everybody
here. It's just the the sport that we
all love. But yeah, baseball is just that
very scientifically driven, easily quantifiable, and the
technology is getting better every year.

(12:28):
So we just keep trying to try tofind ways to push the industry
forward to figure out A, how do we make players better at their
sport, but B, how do we also keep them safer while we're also
making these gains at the same time.
Yeah, I think that's also interesting that, you know, one
thing is like a lot of the othersports that people do, no one
asks me. They're like, hey, I I'll just

(12:48):
go to the best one in the area, right.
Best PT in the area or best ATC in the area.
They're like, I'm, I'm fine, just give me the local number.
But the baseball players when they come in to see me, they're
like, give me the best one in the state, give me the best one
that's within two or three hours.
Like we'll drive, but I want like the baseball team, right?
Like I don't want anybody that doesn't know what I'm doing.
Like my son's a pitcher. He's going to play college.

(13:10):
Like he I need someone that doesthat.
And so that's what's I think is really cool about having drive
on, but it's also unique about the players, right?
I mean, you could probably have a lot of people to come in like
they already know about you. They're so honed in and they're
so motivated. Like that's a that is probably a
nice piece of for you guys is that you're already getting
people that are motivated to do it, right?
They're not coming in. They're like, hey, I don't
really know what I need. I just kind of want to go back

(13:31):
to running, right? They're they're, these are
people that really care about going to the next level.
Yeah, I mean, driveline is definitely a financial
investment and it it, it's, it'sdefinitely the facility that you
go to if you have, it doesn't matter what your, your desires
are. But if you're committed, if if
like if baseball's something that you absolutely want to get
better AT and you know, maybe you don't have aspirations of

(13:55):
going to pro or whatever it may be, but you want to play at high
level in your college or you maybe want to get to Andy Ball.
Like it. It is the place that like if you
are going to invest in yourself,there's no other place to really
go. And so especially with the rehab
side, yeah, we get guys that come in couple hours away will
drive here. And I think it's just because

(14:16):
baseball is so very niche when it comes to, to rehab.
It's never something that you really discuss in PT school.
You don't, you don't get trainedon how to rehab a baseball
player specifically. And, and maybe you'll discuss
about a return to throw program,but more often than I it's, it's
everything you learn is post grad.

(14:36):
And so if you're going to find somebody that's a really good
baseball rehab provider, it's somebody who kind of lives and
breathes that sport, they they have to really go after it after
graduation. It's not something that we're
all trained up on. It's interesting.
Will you hear this? It's kind of the same way as we
talked about this with the with the surgeries, right?
Like, and Dylan knows this, right?

(14:56):
There's only certain people thatyou want doing your Tommy John
thing, right? There's not that many numbers
out there, right? Like of all the surgeries we do,
the UCL is just so much less common.
And then even in training, you know, unless you train, unless
you train with a team, you need to train with someone that does
a lot of the MLB, you know, College of athletes.
But it's just not a common thingthat you see unless you sort of

(15:19):
with the people that are doing the most, you know, Romeo, you
have electros, you have David Olchek, you know, you name it,
the list can go on. But you you got to see high
volumes and those may seem like normal volumes until you get out
in the real world and realize that it's just an anomaly,
right? This is just the the select
view. It's the same way with the
physical therapy. So it all links together and you
know, I think Will's heard this at nauseam, but can you you, I

(15:43):
brought that slide back up againabout driveline.
Can you talk, Dylan, a little bit about the, the old versus
the new principles? Because I think I don't know
enough about this stuff. It's just, it's just really
interesting to me. Like I understand some of it
from hearing from the players and from you, but can you talk
about this sort of past and the future?
And we'll get into that in a little bit.
Yeah. And you know, driveline is, is

(16:05):
principle driven. And what I mean by that is we go
back to the basics of of sport science and what that means to
like actually train an athlete. There are going to be methods
and fads that come along, come along.
You know, this is the thing thatgets you your next 5 mph type
trick that, yeah, takes the trend for five, you know, six
months to a year. We're never going to be that
company. We're always going to rely on

(16:26):
our base principles of how, you know, we stress an athlete, we
allow them to recover and adapt and and just go down to the the
foundation of that. But in the past, driveline was
trying to solve the problem of like, how do we make pitchers
throw harder? How do we make them, you know, a
more valuable asset? And that's really where the
first decade of the company lived.
Is is velocity driven. And you saw this quick for a

(16:50):
brief moment and that that videothat we played up front.
Now we're looking at how do we train command?
And if you recall in the video, there was a little board with
like a project, the catcher's met and you saw where the ball
popped up on the screen. So we're, we're trying to
measure command. We have an intended zone tracker
is what we call it. So we're putting up, you know,

(17:11):
where do we want the ball to go?Where does it actually land?
Can we measure that miss distance?
And then can we figure out if wecan identify training strategies
that makes that miss distance tighter, we get better at the
command. And so that's kind of our new
goal now as we we've, we understand velocity, but we
don't understand command as the large.
And now we can start taking thatdata and comparing it to motion

(17:34):
capture, strength, power, all ofthat stuff and seeing what
metrics actually matter when it comes to making that that skill
more impactful. And, and, and so Dylan, you're
talking about command there. There's a numerical value you
guys are learning to put on command.
Is that what you're saying? You guys are trying to quantify
it Like you keep quantifying everything else 'cause that's
the way to get better, right? You, you're just like, oh, your

(17:54):
command was better. It seemed better.
That doesn't work. Yeah, exactly.
Instead of just the the old eyeball idar is kind of what we
used to say for for velocity. Now we're instead of eyeballing
the command, we're actually measuring specifically how many
inches are you missing on each pitch profile?
What's the average missed distance that you have?

(18:14):
And then we can start to quantify, do your mechanical
changes from the motion capture lab over a six week or 12 week
retest cycle, Do those correlatewith better commands or does
your strength values and your rotator cuff or your forearm or
overall as an athlete, does those correlate with better
command on average? So yeah, we're trying to
quantify everything that we can about it.

(18:37):
Dylan, how, how are you utilizing?
You know, we always talk about future tech on the show, but how
are you utilizing now with AI implementing that in some of,
you know, the new technology for, you know, driveline And
whether it's the analysis of a, just say, you know, player A and
the development from day zero today 60.

(19:00):
And, you know, seeing those mechanics, obviously seeing
whether it's the speed, the command, the strength, what are
some of those conversations? And just try to expand on that
conversation. So I'll give you a quick example
of one of the most recent use cases we've had.
I mean, it's really infiltrated every part of Driveline as an

(19:21):
organization where it's, it's making all of our, you know,
calculating processes go faster.It helps us spitball ideas
faster. Every we have a whole staff of,
you know, excellent coders with,with the founder of the company
being a master coder himself. So it's really just streamlining
those processes. But you know, one good example
is we, we recently came out witha feature in our Driveline app

(19:43):
that is using computer vision tobe able to do the same thing
that force plates do in terms ofmeasuring your power, whatever
you're doing jumps. So we put a sticker on you, we
let the camera track you. And then we, we used AI to learn
how to do all of this, that it basically built out our entire
code and then we validated it. So we can just take a video of
you at 60 frames per second and we can get the same data that

(20:06):
we're getting from our vault force plates.
So what that means is that whenever athletes aren't in gym,
we can still measure their progress and especially in the
weight room, you know, and then over time we're, we're using it
to solve all the issues that we have had in terms of if we have
a question. Where do we go?
We go, we check chat TPGPT 1st and see what kind of answers we

(20:27):
can get from it and then we go from there.
So it's really just a stimulator, if you will.
It just helps us make that next step faster.
That's awesome. And and and do you use any do
you think that's kind of help you guys with your kind of
future projects too? You know, I mean, like you said,
you're using this football like we want to measure this.
How do we do this? You're using chat TPT, but now
are you using it for like, hey, what's the future?

(20:49):
Or is that kind of how is that? How do you guys determine that?
I mean, how are you going? What dictates what?
What's next for you guys? That's a good question.
You know, it's always whatever nobody is thinking of.
I think it's probably what's next for us.
That's kind of what what Bodie, always Kyle Bodie, the founder,

(21:09):
he's always kind of pushing forward.
Is that like we are looking for to solve the problem that nobody
is kind of thinking of just yet?And that's kind of where this
command one, the command one's really, really recent within the
last year that we've developed it.
So we'll see kind of where that takes us.
And then you know what problems come up next.
Maybe this whole torpedo bat thing is a really interesting.

(21:32):
Issue. To to start solving.
We'll definitely get into that. One of the conversations that
we've had with whether it's coaches or parents is what can,
you know, little Johnny do or not do at certain ages?
So with your involvement with professional college, high

(21:55):
school, amateur, what are the barometers there?
What are some of the conversations, whether it's with
the client or internally, when you have a certain players, you
know, wanting to do certain exercises, how do you manage
that? You know, saying, OK, you know,
if you're under 16, you can't, you shouldn't be throwing a

(22:16):
curveball or breaking ball Like how do you determine that or.
I think what Will's trying to say is do you guys do you age
like, how do you age manage as like is who dictates what,
right? Like, even when I did my
surgeries, I have a dictation inthere what I want you guys to
do. But you guys do a lot of it.
I trust you guys to make decisions on your own as
experts. So how how does that, how does
that work for you guys? Is that what you're asking,

(22:37):
Will? Yeah, go.
Ahead, Dylan, you got it already.
Yeah. So one of the things that we're
always going to consider is the skeletal maturity of the
athlete. And that's probably Step 1 is
like we got to make sure that we're not putting them in any,
you know, extremely harmful positions based off of that

(22:57):
specific factor. And so that 15 to 16 year old
group is definitely kind of thattransitional age.
And beyond the skeletal maturity, we're also looking at,
you know, how quickly have theseathletes grown in the last year?
Because that's always kind of aninjury spike areas, you know,
those rapid growth spurts. And, and when we get younger,
we're also just looking at how do we, how do we look at a long

(23:20):
term athletic development model?And, and some of the things that
we do with our young kids is going to be more of the
gymnastics and calisthenics based stuff like learn how to
manage your body. We're not necessarily trying to
have you do AV low program at at12 years old because nobody
cares about how hard you're throwing that.
But what we do care about is that you're developing your
natural athleticism and that you're stacking kind of year

(23:40):
after year of consistent, consistent training and
consistent throwing. So that way you develop into
where we want you to be. Puberty is another big one,
right? You can have that 17 year old
who still looks like he's 12 andthat 17 year old who looks like
he's 25. So we're always kind of taking
that into consideration as well.And then, yeah, like our early

(24:01):
bloomers, we always, we always have to make sure that we
aren't, you know, exploiting to an extent.
We want to make sure that they have a solid training plan, a
solid foundation underneath themand that we are, we're not doing
the showcase thing where just 'cause you throw hard at me.
It's like you do every single showcase and try to make you,
you know, from 95. When you when you have someone

(24:22):
on the bubble like that, do you have internal conversations
saying, I know he's this age, but he's hit puberty, he's big,
strong things like that. We think he's ready for the next
step. What's the process for you guys
at Driveline when it comes to something like that?
Yeah, we have one of those earlybloomers.
It really does become this more collaborative approach of like

(24:43):
getting the parents involved, getting the coaches involved,
setting out this, especially when we know this kid has
college potential or potentiallyeven beyond.
It's, it's what do we need to doover the next six months, 12
months, 18 months to make sure that A, we're capitalizing on
what you can already do, but B, safeguarding against, you know,
excessive use or anything like that.

(25:04):
So we, we go back to the, the, the training foundations and our
principles. It's, it's that we need to
physically develop you first. We need to make sure that you
can handle the stresses of the game.
We need to make sure that we aremonitoring and managing your
workload of throwing. And then we're also having those
conversations of, you know, whatare you doing outside of here?
Because athletes that are that we're talking about right now

(25:25):
are a part of our Academy program.
So they're here 3-4 days a week.Training.
Can you explain that? Can you explain that Academy
program thing? Yeah.
So The Academy Is basically, if you would imagine your your
typical like 9U10U12U15U type teams that you would see for
like travel ball, except we're taking it in kind of flipping

(25:47):
it's on its head where instead of it being a travel ball team
where they just go play, play, play, play, play.
We're looking at it from a developmental perspective where
it's train, train, train, train,train in terms of develop
yourself as a physical specimen and, and make sure that you're
getting in the weight room and doing all the things from an arm
care perspective that you're getting on a managed throwing

(26:07):
program that's consistently being applied throughout the
year. And we're, we're, we're
monitoring your workload. And then once we have those
foundations, we go out and play.Doesn't mean we that we have the
best players in the world, but we're looking at it from a a
developmental standpoint of how do we take any player that comes
to us and make them a better version of where they were when
they walked in the door. Well, and I wonder if that I

(26:29):
mean, that's probably what you guys feel.
But to me, if my son or whatevermy daughter's trying to play
baseball and I hear this, you know, to me, I think about it is
like injury prevention first show off 2nd, right, Like which
is which is opposite of the way I link a lot of people think,
right, They're like, Hey, let's get my kid in front of the
scouts as soon as possible. But to have a place, a group

(26:50):
like yours that's so focused on injury prevention, rehab,
perfecting technique, you know, we'll we know this from like
they don't get any breaks right,or the coach like throw harder,
throw harder, you no rest for you, no rest for you versus the
like rest, train strength and then throw.
I mean, you probably see all thetime, but do you have a lot of
experience for, you know, someone?
I mean, I know these people thatlike kind of give up on who

(27:11):
they're working with and they'relike, I need somebody else and
then I'm sending the driveline and then they kind of get all
fixed, right? It's just like going to the
doctor, but it's a doctor of physical therapy, right?
They all messed up. They have mechanics off.
They've been told to throw as hard as they can and they have
them. They're terribly sloppy.
And now they come to you guys and it's like, let's start all
over again. Let's break this down, right?
And so is that what you guys gettoo, is that, I mean, that's,

(27:33):
that's must be the feeling some of these parents get, I think.
Yeah, I would say that happens alittle bit less frequently
because we do have, we've had these, the kids that are in our
in our Academy program have typically been around for a
while. And so it's been running for a
couple years. And and we definitely do get, do
get new athletes every year. But it's more of that that we've

(27:55):
had you since you were young andwe've helped you develop over a
long period of time. And that's kind of been our goal
there. And so occasionally we'll get
those stories of like, hey, I'vealways had pain.
All right, we have to go back tosquare one.
Why are you having pain? It's because of XY and Z.
So we need to address XY and Z before we even care about
getting you back into a throwingprogram or anything like that.

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So occasionally we do have to hit the reset button.
But I would say for the most part, our athletes are kind of
in that consistent year round plan of how do we keep you
healthy and developed and ebb and flow the season of play.
And then I think this one's always a big one will ask me,
but how do you guys deal with the parents?
So. The in my office, I told Will

(28:41):
that I'm known for when the, when the docs in my office get a
baseball player and there's liketwo or three, two or three or
four parents, who knows how manyparents that could be in the
room. And they're all hovering over
the player because they want, they want to know he's going to
get hurt, right? And I'm the doc, They're like,
this is Garcia. He'll take care of this one.
I got to go in there and try to address multiple people that are
either frustrated or upset because they've had different
opinions. And a lot of the parents, I'm

(29:04):
not going to name names, but a lot of the parents in general
like to dictate the care. So how do you guys deal with
that? Because I mean, you're seeing
them more than I am. I see them for one short visit.
Yeah. Well, the nice thing is, is that
when they join the Academy, they, they the parents sign a
contract that we are the the experts basically.
And like, we are absolutely going to involve them in that in
that process. And but we are never going to

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put the the player at risk. So if we say that, hey, your son
has had pain for throwing, theseare the things that we need to
do. All of the coaches are on board
and going to back us up on thosedecisions.
And this is going to be the bestthing for your athlete.
And we're going to, we're happy to sit down with the parent and

(29:47):
walk them through every decisionthat we make.
Luckily, though, we don't, I think they realize innately that
like this is probably what's best for the kid.
We, we really haven't had much issue with any parents in terms
of, you know, backlash or anything like that or a
frustration with the plan of care or anything.
Generally if the kid needs to shut down from throwing or

(30:08):
anything like that, we're all onboard.
We're all on the same page and we're, we're happy to explain
our reasoning. And, and I think that's really
the key there is if I have to take an hour and talk to a
parent, I have the luxury to do so.
So we'll do it. I think that's key because I
mean, will will go into this. He knows he's got kids, but like
it's frustrating if you and if someone doesn't have time for
you, you are like even more frustrated, right?

(30:29):
Like, and with you guys, they'rethey're paying a premium to be
with a high level place like yours.
So for you to be able to give them time, it's great.
And that's also something a lot of the parents need, right?
These parents are like, give me the best.
I don't care what it is. I want the best person.
I want the person who's going totake care of me.
And that's why it's nice for me as a physician who takes care of
all the baseball players to sendthem to you guys knowing that
you know that they're going to get all that they need, right?

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There's not like you said, the fact you guys are able to,
you're able to say that topic. And I know Will's heard me say
sometimes. And the fact that you're able to
say that most parents are very pleased with our care and they
don't involve themselves very well shows you guys have
established yourself as a very strong program because that's a,
that's a, that's a hard thing tobe able to do on a day-to-day
basis. Yeah.
A quick question here. You hear different people say

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different things when it comes to playing one sport all year
round or playing multiple sports.
Has your data shown any numbers when it comes to someone that
let's say will pitch, you know, most of the year or you have a
pitcher that plays football or track and it comes back to
pitching. So do you have any numbers to

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reflect that? Because that's always a
conversation within parents, whether you know someone plays
one sport all year or is it to have a more well-rounded athlete
play multiple sports. And maybe we're just talking
more than just pitching, but also body development and
utilizing other parts of their body.
Yeah. You know, I don't have any data

(31:58):
that would specifically give youan answer, but I can speak to it
anecdotally. Probably the, the most
consistent thing that we see is athletes that maybe do play
multiple, multiple sports throughout the year, they, they
potentially almost get more overuse injuries in a sense.
Those are the athletes that we have to more carefully monitor

(32:19):
that don't necessarily get to participate at the same level as
everybody else. You know, if we kind of classify
our our throwing days by either it's a low intent throwing day.
It's just, you know, take it easy, catch play, maybe it's a
higher intent throwing day wherewe're we're purposely trying to,
you know, stress the body a little bit.
Those are the athletes where it's like, OK, you're in the
middle of wrestling season, you're already getting beat up.

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We don't, we probably just don'tneed to be doing a high intent
throwing day. And in the past before, you
know, a couple years ago when wewere just starting this program
out and we were seeing how things would work out, those are
the kind of kids that would be like, oh, he he had a high
intent throwing day and he also had two wrestling matches, you
know, this past weekend. He's beat up now.
Now he's down for two weeks. We need to let him chill out.

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So it's always kind of that's kind of the perspective that we
get is how do we manage the end season athlete who also wants to
continue to train baseball. So that's that's kind of the
challenging part the the athletes that are throwing year
round. One of the things that we want
to make sure that we do is that you can't be throwing 100% all
year. So our throwing program is going

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to have intentionally no throw periods, intentional ramp up
periods and things like that where we are managing the
workload. So that way we give them time to
recover, we get them ready for whenever it's time to play.
But it's never just like go, go,go, go, go where the athlete is,
you know, going to get burnt outthroughout the year.
And then I don't want to sidetrack you, but we are we,

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you know, time, we see the clockticking down.
We want to make sure we get all the good questions answered from
Dylan. Do you can you talk a little bit
about your experience kind of with the, the pro level
difference versus recreation? I know we have a slide on that
if you want to pull it up, Will,but I, I think that's important
for everybody to hear right, 'cause it's just a difference.
And obviously you're, there's also bigger risk for you guys,

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right? You want to make sure you get
these players back and and for driveline, the people are these
players are flying in or they'rethey're there for the summer or
sorry, they're there for the offseason to rehab with you guys
until they go back to their team.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, working with the pros is sometimes
easier than working with the kids.
The pros have all the time in the world to dedicated to it
because it's their job, it's their livelihood.

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So they they they have that luxury of being able to spend 3
hours here and do everything that they need to do.
Whereas sometimes with the kids,you know, they've got school,
they've got other commitments, they've got orchestra or
something like that where they have 45 minutes to see me once
or twice a week versus come in six days a week with the pro and
and check box every little thingthat we need.

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But a lot of times whenever you are working with a professional
athlete, especially an older professional athlete, it's
probably a little bit more of the case that I see for the
longer term rehabs like that 3028 to 30 year old who's trying
to make his comeback. You're more so managing the
mileage that he's accrued. The training doesn't necessarily

(35:13):
change too much from like a a a younger pro and an older pro to
a degree, but it's more so the secondary considerations you
have to take. So managing that mileage of the
past injuries or anything like that.
Well, doesn't that make you feelgood that there's old pearls at
28? Sorry, yeah, no, it's.

(35:34):
The way I we got to hear. This all right, Dylan.
Thanks for coming. We'll see.
Thanks for coming man. So, so let's I mean, let's kind
of keep going with this. So like I do you guys have a
different, I mean, I know you guys follow like the protocols,
but like I said before, like when I have a patient going to
drive line, I have my Tommy Johnsurgeries.
I'm kind of like, here's my protocol, but you guys are the

(35:56):
experts, right? I can only do so many Atomic
John surgery. You guys see them from all
around the area. So do you guys are there rehab
differences for you or are the things you look differently for
from a surgical recovery versus a non surgery recovery?
And and if so, kind of what are you looking at when you do those
things like, you know, you have a player gets injured, he hasn't
had surgery, but it's like, let's see how he does partial
injury. You know, how do you what do you

(36:17):
guys do by that? How does that work for you?
So this is my personal viewpointand this is kind of highlighting
a thread that I did that got some good traction over this
past couple weeks. But when it comes to a partial
injury, I see that almost as as risky as or as demanding as a
surgical injury, right? In a surgery, we're talking
about it a longer time frame because, you know, especially in

(36:39):
the reconstruction you've done bone drilling and all of that
stuff, you have to let everything heal in a in a
partial tear non op, I think youalmost have to take nearly just
about the same amount of time. And that's coming from a
perspective of like we have destabilized that joint that
that ligament is no longer as, as strong.
So we need more time to build upall of the protective tissue

(37:00):
around that elbow, not less. And sometimes I think the
standard protocol of 6 to 8 weeks of rehab and then try to
return to throat is just too short.
We need to give potentially a couple more months.
And this device that you see here and the image on the screen
is it's called Flex Pro Grip. It's a device that I'm very
happily involved with developingrehab protocols for and things

(37:22):
like that. But it measures the specific
finger strength of some of the key stabilizers for the UCL.
This is an example of an athletewho's 10 months out of post
partial UCL tear but didn't havesurgery, so still had it, got
the PRP injection. But he was, you know, and you
can see on the far right he was at 56 and 68% tile of where I

(37:44):
wanted him to be and he was 20 miles below his goal, still
throwing. He wants to be 95, still having
pain at 75 type deal. So we can quantify like the
specific strength of these tendons and start to identify a
rehab plan. But the key here with this
training protocol is it takes 12plus weeks to see the the
stiffness gains that we want to see in the tendon.

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And that's really the name of the game here is we aren't just
training strength of the tendon.It's a good proxy measure.
But stiffness is the key qualitywe're looking at adapting.
And that's what this whole device is built around is
enhancing the tendon stiffness to protect the UCL.
And so it takes at least 12 weeks to see that game.
There's really good research on this done by Keith Barr and many

(38:26):
of the other tended researchers that strength will strength will
go up linearly. Month one, month 2, month three,
strength will go up linearly. But tendon stiffness, which is
the thing that directly offloadstorque from the UCL, it takes
about 10 to 12 weeks of consistency of really high
intensity training greater than 70% MVC to see the actual

(38:48):
stiffness changes. And Flexpro Grip is currently in
validation studies as well to prove that this is exactly
what's going on whatever way they use the device.
I think this brings up two questions for me.
One, what's interesting here is that you know, this kid in my
office 10 months post UCL, not back to where he wants to do
generally, they'll usually throwin the towel by my office and

(39:09):
get their UCL done where we do aUCL repair with internal brace.
So it's interesting to see this timeline, right?
And this is exactly the point I bring up with the players when
they come in and you've had players that we've bounced back
and forth. We just talked about one
recently where I've been like, Hey, let's give you as much time
as you need. But sometimes they just they
just can't be patient, right? Like it's nice you've got a
player as patient as this that wanted to wait 10 months to try

(39:31):
to do non operative treatment. Because there is there is a part
of me that says, and I'm just interested what your opinion is
that, you know, if they had had surgery and a UCL repair for a
partial at 10 months, four months and non op six months of
surgery later, they might have been back already.
So what, what is your thoughts on on that portion?
Again, it's it's player dependent.

(39:52):
You're not making these decisions all the time.
It's what the player wants. But I think that's interesting
is to bring up And also have youseen this used for rehab for
surgical patients? Yeah.
So for a little bit of context, this patient specifically the he
only started with me last week. So he was actually in Florida
and unfortunately his rehab was rice bucket and dry needling,

(40:16):
which just is going to miss the bucket bit, right, right.
Like we are just completely missing everything about the
rehab process that's necessary to to get him past the partial
tear. And that's kind of what I was
alluding to earlier is like a the time frame is often too
short, but rehab often, especially, you know, going to
the non specialized is often toogeneral.
It doesn't hit the mark. So in that in that kids case,

(40:39):
his hope was that he was going to be fine.
He's been doing his return to throw, but you know, he was a
little over optimistic. I think where he thinks that
it'll just keep getting better, but I think he's missed the
mark. Kind of person you want to get
him, but the other thing is, youknow, if he hasn't really had
good rehab, I don't even know ifthat's ten months, right, like
we keep saying it, the numbers will the number always starts

(41:00):
like even in surgery recovery, right, Like you can't just not
recover and then start throwing fastballs a year later, right,
You got it's all about when you start doing your rehab.
It's why guys like driveline andwhy why guys like Dylan are so
important. It's the same thing with your
injury, right, like if you do nowork to get back from your
injury, It's when we tell peopleit's a three month recovery.
That's three months with work. Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's really important to highlight that the

(41:21):
work has to be the right kind ofwork too.
Like he's been working his ass off, he's just been on the wrong
things. Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten
him to the point where he needs to be to be able to do the thing
he wants to do. And I think that's really the
key is that, yeah, for him, he'sprobably day one.
He's no different than a partialtail that just happened last
week in terms of where he's currently at.
So, you know, he's got a couple months ahead of him training on

(41:45):
this device and doing some of the other rehab protocols that
we have for him to see if this works out for him.
And then, yeah, we may get threemonths down the road and it's
time to have that conversation of like, hey, it's been it's
been 13 months. He did the things that we
thought were necessary. This may be beyond rehab
considerations, but he hasn't had a fair chance at it.
I think so. I would agree with that.
I would agree with that. That's, that's a really

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interesting point. And then last, that follow up
question again, Mike told you was, are you guys doing this at
all for any of your reconstructions or your repairs?
Yeah. So I've been heavily involved
with building out rehab protocols with the device.
And so we actually just start, guys, we set a target.
So the device has enough data from pro teams, college teams,
all of this to say, if you throw95 miles an hour, this is the

(42:29):
rough strength targets that we want you to hit on this device.
And So what I can say is, all right, I'm going to take you
down to 5% of that. So you're 3 weeks out of out of
TJ reconstruction. We're going to start you at 5%
and we're going to start loadingthere.
And then week by week, we can incrementally increase the
targets on the device. And it's all isometric training
to build up the tendon. So over the course of that whole

(42:52):
rehab protocol, we eventually build you up to the training
threshold that we want you to be, which is 70%.
And then the other things that this device does is trains rate
of force development, trains endurance of it.
So we have different protocols for different time frames in
that rehab process. But yeah, basically from week
two, week 3 out of there, whenever we feel comfortable to
start doing some light form work, we're starting percentages

(43:15):
of where we want you to end up by the end of by the end of the
rehab. And are you doing this with the
throwing stuff or This is beforethrowing.
This is pre throwing. This is typically pre throwing.
Yeah, it's pre throwing and during throwing.
So we're going to do all the things necessary to put you in
a, in a good spot pre throwing. Our goal is to get you at least

(43:36):
to 80 to 90% of our, of our healthy, like I'm full of 100%
targets before you even start throwing.
My goal is always to make you a monster of an athlete that could
handle anything before you even pick up a ball.
And then so that way whenever you do start your return to
throw program, it's the easiest thing you've ever done.
I don't want throwing to be the next step in the progression.

(43:58):
I want it to be a regression, honestly, where you just feel
like it, you know, this is great.
I feel comfortable and we can ride that that through the
entire return to throw progression.
As I promised Dylan beforehand, I knew this was going to happen,
but like, we get a topic and then we didn't.
Want to ask more questions because I love.
This so I think one thing for the for the listeners to
understand that when I always tell my players, right, they

(44:20):
that three months, I'm like we start to start the return to
throwing program, but I'm using three months arbitrarily from
what we learn, what we do and the idea that there is now a
functional test, right? It's the same.
We have an ACL, right? Functional sports test to go to
the next level, quad strength togo to the next level.
What the listeners you didn't understand you meant.
You brought this up really well,but I wanted to summarize it one
more time for listeners. But the flexor tendons are all

(44:42):
the ones on the outside. And those are what protect the
UCL. So if the flexors are weak, no
matter how good a job like surgery is, you will injure it.
And I will tell my players notoriously, and you probably
can have tested this, that during their throwing process,
maybe not anymore with this new device, that a player will call
me and say I tore my UCL again or I feel like I felt something
bad. Like my arm's really sore after

(45:03):
throwing. And 99.9 times out of 10, it's
their flexor strain, right? They get a flexor strain or
something from overdoing it. And so this is, I think why
you're bringing this up and why it's so important because like
if they come in, like I'm sure those old, those players that
year, the last couple years thathave called about that, we're
not totally ready to go, right. They did not have this where

(45:24):
they're at 90%. Because if you're at 90% and
you're at the level of a full thrower, you're just not going
to strain it the same way. It's just not as common, right?
That, that anyway, Will, you're probably, I can see Will's eyes
going. He's curious what?
What question do you have? Will I've, I've got 15 of them.
But you know, I'll, I'll keep itshort and sweet.
You know, we're talking about the UCL and it seems like

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there's been an uptick in UCL injuries, especially in League
Baseball. Are those are discussions that
you guys have internally or is this something that you've
noticed or due to the way you guys train in the, in the time
and effort and making sure that you're doing the isometrics and,
and you know, strengthening the stabilizers that that you

(46:06):
personally and driveline personally are seeing less.
So what about those discussions when you see a Garrett Cole go
down, when you see all these guys going down, We had, let me
throw some numbers, I'll throw some numbers up there.
This was 40 starting pitchers have thrown 100 plus pitches
over 98 mph since 2020. They've now had 63% of them have

(46:28):
Tommy John's surgery in their career.
You know, when you see numbers like that, what are those
internal discussions? I mean, it's, it's
multifactorial, right? It's it's this new device is
great. It's probably started to really
take hold in MLB in the last year.
A lot of teams are getting on it.
So hopefully as that continue todevelop, maybe we start to see
less and less. I I think it's mostly been

(46:50):
around the fact that our training and our rehab demands
haven't been specific enough, right?
We're like really good at building the engine, which is
like, you know, the strength andconditioning of the general
athlete, but we haven't been as good as of building the armor at
the same intensity. Kind of the old throwers 10 type
model, like really easy, low load, high endurance Rep
schemes, All that stuff wasn't matching the demands of the

(47:13):
game. So I think it's starting to see
that shift. So that's one conversation that
we've always had and we've definitely seen a lot of great
success with it internally. The other demand is, is workload
monitoring and what that looks like in the offseason, what that
looks like in the preseason spring training, Like are we
actually getting guys fully ready for that workload demand

(47:36):
or are we seeing a massive spikegoing into spring training?
Because if you spend your whole offseason never getting prepared
for, you know, going back-to-back or anything like
that as a relief pitcher or going from a 2530 pitch bullpen
up to 70 pitches, like those kind of workload spikes catch up
to you. And you see it in spring
training, guys go down real fast.
And then it's workload monitoring in season.

(47:57):
What is your in season training look like?
So that way you maintain those things that you built in the
offseason. So it's it's how do we do it on
multiple different fronts? And I think every year we're
getting better at it. But the game is still just so
advanced that it it it's just bound to happen to a degree.
There's a lot of chronic injuries that are under the

(48:17):
radar that that catch up to them.
Yeah. And also, you know, some of the
sticky stuff that was helping pitch with the baseball.
And I'm not sure if that has anything to do with numbers,
right? I believe was Tyler Glass.
And I was talking about it a fewseasons ago where he was like, I
had to grab grip that ball so tight that didn't have a little
something to to give me just a grip, not, you know, something

(48:39):
crazy. And that's when he blew out his
arm. So those are whole other
interesting conversations that we could even get into whether,
you know, there should be some something to help with with
certain grips because the baseball's so slick.
But then I'm really taking this off on the whole other 93 and we
can go into a whole other conversation, so.
Will is Will's notorious for trying to break us over the hour

(49:02):
mark. That's what he did, especially
the last 15 minutes of the podcast.
He's thinking about all the wayshe can ask you 100 questions.
I got, I got, I got one more thing before we jump in and
listen. We're not going to worry about
it. We owe, we owe him 5 more
minutes. We go 5 minutes longer.
I'll take care in editing. We're not worried about it.

(49:22):
Listen, I had the privilege of meeting 2 amazing women at
Driveline. I've been to the facility at
Kent. I've interviewed Luisa Gauchi,
19 at the time. She worked with my daughter,
with baseball. She is.
Is she with the Brewers now? I think.
Yeah, she's with the Brewers. Yep.

(49:43):
Absolutely amazing person, a sweetheart and just showing her
passion that she has for the game and working with the kids
she was working with, I believe was 13 and under at that time.
And at the same time, I'm looking and I'm looking at the
batting cage next to me and thiswoman is smashing baseballs.

(50:05):
I'm like, who the hell is this? And is is Rachel Balkovic that
down with Miami? The Yankees had hired her as a
hitting coach. I believe she was the first
female hitting coach that was hired by Major League Baseball.
My point is you have amazing teachers and instructors at

(50:27):
Driveline. How does that help you do your
job better? Honestly, it's the best thing
that I could ask for. Not only are they just like
great at their, their, their craft, right?
Like they're excellent coaches at hitting or pitching or
strengthy conditioning. They are very receptive to the
feedback. And I think that's really the

(50:49):
key there is like nobody here has an ego about their thing.
Like we, we understand that every athlete is gonna have a
touch point with all of the sectors of, of PT, of strength
of hitting, of, of whatever they're doing.
And that we all have a, a piece of the puzzle there that needs
to be considered, especially on the rehab front.
If, if an athlete's starting to get a little beat up, they are

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the first people to, hey, go seeDylan.
Like, you don't need to be doingthis right now if you're over
here in pain or whatever, like go see Dylan, get the plan
figured out, modify the trainingplan for the next couple weeks,
and then we get you back into things.
So they're the first ones to jump on that horse and make sure
that their athletes are well taken care of.
And the unique thing about driveline is we have athletes

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all over the country. And so it doesn't matter if
they're in person, if they're inJapan, if they're in Florida,
wherever it may be, I can easilyconsult with them, help them
out, make sure that they have a plan of action of how to carry
things forward and make sure that we get the best out of
their training. Will I think we can, we'll won't
go too much into this Dylan, butI think he also brought up is

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that coordinated care. This is what you guys do such a
good job of. And I think we're we're we're
working on something to kind of even make it better.
But the will what you don't evensee is the the even the next
step, right? It's like, so Dylan as a player,
he gets hurt. Dylan feels like this is now
beyond even what he wants to deal with.
And then he reaches out to me orhis other dot baseball surgeons

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to see the player as well. And so that concierge service
that Dylan delivers continues on.
And so we're able to do this. I mean, we have a we had a great
example, right Dylan of our player from Taiwan that he came
in, got him organized, got him the surgery.
He went back to Taiwan to rehab and just got an awesome video of
him throwing back to baseball fully.
But just to be able to do that for your players and be able to

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have that sort of wait. And the nice thing is the
players come and they come informed.
They're not coming in to me scared.
They like have no idea what's going on.
And I think the the feelings mutual from both parties, but
it's been really nice to do thatway that I think driveline sets
it up. That's like this is just like
professional level everything right?
Like you get, you do you don't you don't you just do your, your

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with your coaches, you do all your stuff.
That's great. You get hurt.
You see Dylan, Dylan does his thing.
And if Dylan thinks it's too much or doesn't want to deal
with this because it's it's now more of a surgical injury, then
they get you into a surgeon promptly to get it evaluated.
Doesn't mean you're going to getsurgery.
It just means that you're going to get someone else to take a
look at you. And then you get right back over
to Dylan and right back into driveline.
So it's just really nice setup. So you never you feel like

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you're lost. I think that what would you,
what would you say about that process?
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's as easy as it sounds, honestly.
I send you you guys an e-mail, you get them in quickly.
It's honestly the biggest blessing that we have here our
go to source for all of that. So yeah, it's it's streamlined
and like you said, the athletes are informed.

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Like I don't care how much time,how many days, day after day.
I mean, these guys are dealing with a lot of anxiety around
injuries when they do pop up, they're in here all the time
asking questions, wanting to learn more, wanting to know what
their options are, wanting to know what their timeline looks
like. So it, it's really about sitting
down, making sure that I'm in or, you know, they know that
what their options are, what they're laid out for, that their

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coaches are involved and that wehave somebody that is like you
who's going to be able to give them that extra look that that
deeper dive and send them back our way so that we have a more
informed plan. So it's, it's just super
streamlined. It's it's really great,
honestly. Well, and one nice thing too, I
know will may talk about you maynot just but like when you're
hearing this, you think of this person's with you guys all the

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time. But I would tell you once every
two months, especially during the full visible season spring,
I get one player for you that I'm not planning on doing
surgery on. They're here for a couple months
because they're back from college, right?
And they're playing. And so the point of driveline is
like even it does even have thatdrop in opportunity for certain
players or especially to come back for a few months and do
your training and know that likeyou're still get the same level

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of care, right? Like you guys send me your
regulars, You guys send me your drop.
I mean, I've had a couple of players, you told me they're
like they're leaving in two weeks.
You need to get them. Figured out as a flying.
Home and I'm like, I got you, I got you, I got you.
So it's just a nice it's just a nice set up and it's nice.
You guys just treat all the players the same.
And I feel like anywhere from like, you know, my 13 year old,
you sent me to my your really high level college athlete.

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It's the I don't ever feel like anybody's getting less of care,
which is just awesome. Yeah, yeah.
We're just trying to make sure that everybody has the same
access. You know, obviously there's some
insurance games to play and things like that.
But like if we can get them immediate care and all of that,
like we're getting them to you and then we're getting a plan of
action out of that. And even if they're gone, it's

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like you are leaving the most informed that you could be.
And whether I'm taking care of it, you're taking care of it, or
somebody where they live is taking care of it.
Like, I want you to have to havea full understanding of what's
going on and how we're going to get past it. 100% So Will
lastly, could we ask him, I wantto ask he can be as brief as
possible because I know we're running out of time, but.
I got to ask how the most exploring question, so hurry up,

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wrap it up because I got a question of the interview right
now. Dylan, where is where?
Again, as brief as you can, where is the future for you guys
at Driveline? Obviously, it's it's expansion,
but where is the future? What's the next step for you?
Next step for us is just going to be continuing to do the
things that we already we already do really well.
We're really diving into more ofthe health side, honestly, like

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the Flex Pro product that I was talking about.
We're integrating that fully into our entire assessment
process. We're getting EMG sensors
involved. We're starting to understand how
your mechanics interact with allof that.
And pitching is kind of taking this shift from how do we get
throw really hard to how do we command better, how do we keep
you healthier because injury risks are on the rise.

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So we want to make sure that we're covering it on all basis.
And I think that's really where we're headed.
And then with our athletes, we have the pole sensor, that's our
workload monitor. We've built out these amazing
smart reports that you get a report on how well you've done
every single day. And we're learning day after day
how to better leverage that technology to keep you healthier
throughout the entire year. Awesome, Will.

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All right, we, we're going to wrap it up right here.
This is the most important conversation that we're going to
have all night. All right?
So let's let's get right to it, OK?
This is what the conversation, this is what the baseball world
is talking about for some reasonor other, and it's the torpedo.
All right. What is the internal
conversation that's happened at Driveline about the torpedo

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barrel and how it's affecting baseball and maybe even it's
affecting the the hitters? Yeah.
I mean, we, we love it. We we love the innovation.
We think it's cool. We think it's exciting.
One of our employees putting outa nice little analysis from the
data science perspective that we're not necessarily seeing it,
you know, Max out any exit Velosaren't going any higher.

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But the the quality of the context, the average Velo that
you maybe see per hit that that kind of stuff is changing.
So maybe it changes the middle ground, but it's not necessarily
that much of A game changer to where we need to freak out and
ban it as right away because, you know, now we're adding 10
miles an hour of exit view and everything's a home run.
It's just kind of changing the middle ground from, from what I

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understand. But there are definitely people
at Driveline that could answer this question way better than I
could. I'm just a novice when it comes
to that. But I think that's my my current
understanding so far. Well, you did.
Better than I was going to do, so that was.
Good, I, I, I love it. It's just for fun and it's just
the way the game is. And more than anything else, you

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know, we didn't even get into the mental aspect, right?
We, we, you know, we, we didn't even get into all that.
But even if your opponent is worried that the batter's
holding a torpedo bat or the hitter is feeling extra
confident because we know and, and all you're just feeling
great about yourself. Like I'm rocking it.
I mean, it's all good. And for everyone that may be up

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in arms, the game always changes, whether it's the
cleats, the mound, the size of the outfielder's glove that
looks like it's 3 feet long. It happens in sports.
Let's embrace it. Let's love the game.
And more importantly, we're talking about baseball instead
of football, basketball and all these other sports.
Baseball is front and center, and that's if you're a baseball

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fan. That's what we all want.
Dylan, thank you so much for your time.
We're all going to say goodbye together due to our time on
gambling, which is Doctor Garcia's fault.
Doctor Garcia, I told you not totalk too much.
Say goodbye to Dylan. Doctor Garcia.
Bye, Dylan. Thanks guys.

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Bye.