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Can you trust that your brand-new home is truly flawless? Think again. Join us on the Standing Out in Ohio podcast as Laura and I, Jim Troth, unravel the myth of the perfect new construction home. This episode promises to challenge your assumptions, revealing the hidden pitfalls often overlooked in new builds. From unreliable subcontractors to shocking inspection findings, we share our firsthand experiences that underscore the necessity of thorough home inspections, regardless of a home's age.

We recount a recent pre-drywall inspection where our inspector discovered standing water in the basement and dangerous electrical setups, highlighting the unpredictable nature of subcontractor work. Imagine finding beer cans hidden in the attic by workers or a hazardous extension cord in a waterlogged basement. These stories serve as cautionary tales and a wake-up call: never skip a home inspection, even on new properties. Tune in for a compelling discussion on ensuring the safety and quality of your new home, and learn why even new houses can harbor significant issues.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey everybody, Welcome to the Standing Out Hot
Podcast.
This is Jim and Laura Troth andNew Construction.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, we have stories for you All right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think one of the previous podcasts, maybe the one
before, we talked about howthings just wear out right.
They're not always done toperfection.
People are not perfect, peoplemake mistakes and and the the
assumption is that if it's abrand new house, just like a

(01:03):
brand new car, it should beperfect, it's gonna be awesome,
I don't need to do any work toit, this is gonna be good for
decades.
But we all know you hear it inthe news at least once a month
hey, there's a recall on suchand such model car first year
out.
It's being recalled.
You're out out several yearsout.

(01:24):
Well, I got that one.
I got that van.
It's a 2015.
There's some recall.
Came on it about a year ago.
Yep, I don't remember what itwas.
I didn't do anything about it,but I had a recall and I figured
next time I take it in they candouble check it for me.
I thought we did take it in.
We took it in for anotherrecall, oh, okay.
So there's all these littleissues, so just something new.

(01:48):
You should not assume it'sgoing to be perfect at all.
But first let's listen to this.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
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Speaker 2 (02:16):
Visit homeinspectionsinohiocom All
right, laura, new construction.
I actually do feel a little badfor builders, the big builders,
right they have trouble gettingall these subcontractors,

(02:40):
because they see you building 10houses.
They need a lot of people towork on 10 houses.
How are you find all these?
First?
Of all subcontractorssubcontract and they don't
always show up is the story I'mhearing.
They don't all show up, so yougotta go, I gotta find another
guy.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
You're sometimes you're scraping the bottom of
the barrel and how many timeshave we gone up into attics and
found beer cans strewn about orhidden behind the two by four
framing?
I?
I mean, you're at the mercy ofyour subcontractors, and there's
no denying that.
That's why home inspections areso important, as is evidenced

(03:12):
by what we found yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, so so tell I was.
I was.
I was teaching a class.
You were on the class as well.
Teacher class get a phone call.
I can't answer it it's one ofour inspectors.
I said, hey, I automated it.
I got this program, thatautomatic response.
I go nope, Can't talk right nowin a class and you give the

(03:36):
inspector a call.
What was?
This is a pre-drywall.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
So this was a pre-drywall inspection and she
went to go down into thebasement where there was, in
spots, two inches of standingwater, and she took a video and
you could hear the water pouringin to the basement.
Some pump wasn't working and ontop of it there was an

(04:01):
extension cord that was comingfrom outside somewhere and was
plugged in and it was in thewater.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Not safe.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Not safe.
So she actually decided thatshe was going to go out and
unplug it so that she could takea better look at the basement.
So she went outside the house,she went outside the house,
unplugged it and went back down.
Good thinking, unplugged it andwent back down.
Really good that she did,because she looked up and in

(04:30):
between a couple of joists shefound an hvac system that had
gotten piped in it was like itwas a flexible pipe.
It was the flexible pipe fromthe duct okay guess what the
hvac contractor did to put inhis pipes.
Something was there myassumption is that it was him,
because he cut the pipes, thedrain pipes for the water.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
For plumbing.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
For plumbing, like a two foot section out in between
the joists so that he could puthis pipe in for his hvac system.
So the second they turn ontheir water, it's just dumping
down into the basement.
See that, see, that's suchthat's just dickish behavior.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's the only way I can describe it.
Hvac, guys go.
You know what I'm gonna put mystuff here?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
I don them.
I don't care what they're goingto do Cut them.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
They'll have to go around it and I saw that picture
and the ductwork they used wasa flexible ductwork.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Right, so you could have moved it around.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Moved it around, versus the hard pipe that you
can't bend that stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, you could have just brought it down below the
pipes and kept on going, but no,he decided that yeah, and
that's why you need a homeinspection on new builds.
I mean, we've heard that onlylike 3% of new builds are
getting inspected.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Which is way too low.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
There's so many issues with these shitty
subcontractors and we're seeingso many more issues on the
inspections that we're doing fornew builds.
Like it's crazy, every pre-drywall now that we're doing, the
inspectors are texting and goinghey, look what I found.
Look what I found.
Oh, look at this there's.
There's some crazy stuff, buthey, builders are getting as bad
as flippers now right.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I hate that, but yeah , it's, and it's subcontractors,
right, and they don't.
If you don't have a third partyto take a look at it, the
county guy probably would notnotice that well, no, because
they're, so they have to come inand out so fast.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
With the number of homes that are going up, with
the number of places across thecounty that have new home
developments going up, they'recrazy busy.
I'm sure that it's just acursory look oh, I have no
choice.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm sure it is.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm sure it is so moral of the story.
Don't assume that that your newhouse does not need an
inspection.
Assume that it does, and justknow that we are an impartial
third party.
We're not there to screw anyoneover.

(07:08):
We're not there to get any jobsor to fix anything.
It is what it is and you willhave that information to take to
the builder to get it.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
We are there, unbiased opinion, to protect
everybody, yes, mainly the homebuyer.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
But in the long run it will protect the builder too,
if it gets fixed.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
The builder because, say, they finish that basement
wall, if it ceilings up, thenthey run water and it damages
everything.
The builder's going to have topay for that.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Right and they're going to have to tear all that
down.
It's going to be that much moremoney because everything was
finished.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
We protect the builder the agent, we protect
the home buyer.
We protect the agent Because Ihave a couple of people like,
hey, I'm so glad my agent talkedme into getting the sewer scope
Right.
I have a couple of people like,hey, I'm so glad my agent
talked me into getting the sewerscope Right, and the agent
looks like a hero, right.
And it's just unfortunate thatnot many houses, new builds, get
inspected.
But we have always found anissue Every single new house Yep

(08:13):
, Pre-drywall.
Usually it's little things.
That wasn't, but normally it isno no, yeah, usually it's like
hey, I'm missing some nailplates which easy to fix, can be
catastrophic if it's not takencare of and caught earlier and
something happens because it'seasy.
We've done clearance tests andI was like, oh, mold, because

(08:33):
they didn't have a nail plate.
So a nail touched that pipe,but a small hole and it just
dripped out for, like, I thinkit was like two years yeah, I
think it was.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I remember that that was in a condo, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
it was a condo, yeah, yep.
And I've seen missing nailplates next to a sewage line.
Oh, my Lord, going vertical.
So anybody using the bathroomabove you're going to have this
gunk dripping out between thewalls.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
And that's not only going to be mold, that's going
to be bacteria.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's bacteria which can cause all kinds of
different types of infectionsand lung issues which we need to
talk about, the person that weknow of that passed away due to
fungal growth in the lungs right, which we think we know why why
that?
happened, why that had happened,what condition promoted that to

(09:27):
occur?
But always get an inspector.
I remember inspecting a newhouse no, it was a final
walkthrough and the HVAC, themain trunk, the supply, air
coming off the furnace, gapingat like eight inches wide, about
no, like six inches wide, abouteight inches wide by about no,

(09:50):
no, like six, six inches wide,about eight inches tall, big old
gap, because they reduced itfrom one size to a small one but
then never closed it up.
So air, so it's like not evenclose to being efficient wow,
totally screwed it up, orthere's some.
There have been some other weirdthing.
We've seen support beamsmissing that can hold up the
second floor of the house.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
We've seen HVAC people coming in and cutting out
sections of support beams fortheir plumbing.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, oh, we had a picture the other day.
Somebody put the well, ithasn't been an HVAC guy put the
furnace in the attic, so it'sprobably a bigger house.
Okay, Bigger Needed two systems.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
So you think bigger, more expensive, higher quality.
They totally cut away a lot ofthe trusses for the roof
structure.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh, I remember this.
Put the furnace in there.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, totally compromised the structural
integrity of the roof which,with the truss system as part of
the ceilings below as well,totally ruin that.
So they gotta get.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
So so they're gonna have to have an engineer come in
and figure out how to fix thatfor them.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
They yeah, I mean, as long as it doesn't move too
much, it's a prettystraightforward fix.
But they should have anengineer.
Go listen.
You got weight up here that youweren't supposed to have up
here with the structure so, andthen when you cut these things,
you made it worse, you screwedit over and now you got to do

(11:25):
things up even more now, becausethat's the way you put up here
and you compromise the trusses.
One issue can lead to a lotmore shit, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I'm noticing a lot of commonalities with the HVAC
stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I don't think the trades play necessarily well
with each other.
Maryland won picture it was nota house we saw, necessarily a
wall of each other.
Remember that one picture.
It was not a house we saw.
It was somewhere else wherethere was a two-by-four chunk of
wood down inside the plumbingRight, and it was a new house.
It was a brand new house.
Yep Well, remember that onehouse Not that long ago, a bunch

(12:02):
of gravel was put into thewaistline Right.
Now I don't know if that wasjust incompetence or if that was
done on purpose you don't know,but when you see a pipe, a
clean out, sticking up out ofthe house and there's no cap on
it, why are you gonna throwgravel onto it?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
like I said, incompetence or ignorance.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You just or you just don't care or you just don't
care.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm here to do this.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And my fault.
They didn't put that cap on.
No, it's not your fault.
They didn't put that cap on.
No, it's not your fault.
They didn't put the cap on, butit is your fault.
You put the gravel down it.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
And it is your fault that they had to take a metal
spinny thing to go and break upall of the rock after everything
backed up into this house.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So they pushed the rock down into the main sewer
line.
Yep, I into this house, so theypushed the rock down into the
main sewer line.
Yep, I'm sure the city's happyabout that.
Oh, I'm sure they're delighted.
Yeah, so I think that's it forthis, but our next one, we
should talk about mold.
Okay, we can do that Just insituations that you really need
to be careful for.
Let your clients know.
Maybe it's not really a ruralthing, but it's where we see

(13:08):
these type of heaters.
So, anyway, I think that'sabout it for this one.
Everybody, take care, and thankyou very much.
Bye, bye-bye.

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