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SPEAKER_02 (00:01):
Hey everybody, it's
Jim and Laura.
SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
Hello, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (00:04):
Alright, so we this
is very important if you are a
home buyer.
And it's also important if youare a uh a real estate agent to
know not to do this and remindyour clients, your home buyers,
not to do this, also.
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
Not even on
accident.
I've heard of that too.
SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
Yes.
But your your report, that isfor your usage, not for the loan
officer.
And what what we hadn'thappened, we've seen it in the
past, but recently, the or youtell the story.
You're you talked to theinspector.
You tell me, tell me how allthis happened.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
So there was a
transaction.
Prazer came through and wiggedout about something with the
electrical.
The the guy had taken out afixture and the wires were
dangling.
I can't remember if he had himcapped off or whatever.
I I don't remember.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Sounds just like an
unfinished project.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
Yeah, it was an
unfinished project.
There wasn't like it was like hehad taken out a light and just
hadn't put another one back up.
So appraiser, instead of stayingin his lane, decided that he
wanted to wig out about theelectric and that the electric
needed fixed.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
So our just that one
thing?
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
I believe so.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
So our inspector
went out the first time and he
was like, no, this is a problem,blah, blah, blah.
Explained, you know, explainedwhy.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
It's it's well,
yeah, you never want exposed
wire.
SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
But that's a simple
inexpensive fix.
SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
I I can't remember
what the report was or you know,
anything like that.
That got sent back, and then theappraiser was like, Well, all
that stuff needs fixed.
It needs fixed, it needs fixed.
So the seller went ahead and hefixed everything.
We went back out.
The seller at this point'sinsanely frustrated with the
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process and with the appraiser.
And so he makes our inspectorinspect all the electric.
SPEAKER_02 (02:14):
Who who made one of
our inspectors do everything?
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
The the guy that
owned the house, the one that
had fixed everything and doneeverything.
So apparently he had fixed thatlight fixture issue.
There was a light fixture in it,it was all working.
SPEAKER_02 (02:27):
Which is really just
putting caps on the bare wires
and then putting inside anenclosed box.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Or just putting a
light fixture on and connecting
it and calling it good, which Ibelieve is what he did.
SPEAKER_02 (02:37):
Which is what
probably the plan in the first
place.
SPEAKER_01 (02:40):
So no big deal.
That that got that got fixed anddone.
Our inspector said, listen, youdon't need a whole report.
You should not send a wholereport to your loan officer.
He's like, that's a bad idea.
Dude insisted that he do all ofthe electric, send him all of
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the report, which our inspectorthen did because it was at the
request of the client, and theclient was paying.
So the client then sends thatwhole electrical report and
there were issues.
Of course, it's an older house,there's you know, so there was
sh there was shutoff.
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So the loan officer sends athing back and he's like, dude,
we didn't want all this.
I can't look at this becausethis is going to cause more
problems.
I literally just need somethingsaying that that was fixed.
That's it.
That's all I want.
So we ended up writing up aletter, putting it on
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letterhead, sending it in andgoing, it's all fixed.
And that was how we that thatwas how it ended up being done.
So it it was finally fixed.
SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
So it started from
just an appraiser.
An appraiser out of their lane.
Step out of the lane, and thenthe buyer then shared the whole
report.
SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
I don't know if it
was the buyer or the seller.
SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Seller shouldn't get
the whole report in the first
place.
SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
Well, the seller was
the one paying for the
electrical thing, I think.
Like this was all the seller.
So I I I don't understand thewhole dynamics of that, but
either way, that report got tothe loan officer and it
shouldn't have.
And the loan officer flat outsaid, We don't want to see this
because this loan wouldn'thappen then.
SPEAKER_02 (04:31):
Yeah.
So if you are the buyer or yourreal estate agent, do not send
the home inspection report tothe loan officer.
SPEAKER_01 (04:39):
Don't send it to
your insurance company.
SPEAKER_02 (04:41):
No, no, no.
They they will send their ownappraiser out to look for issues
that will affect the value ofthe house.
But if they see the homeinspection report, which is more
thorough than these appraisersand what they're looking, we're
looking at different things.
It's gonna it's gonna causeissues, delays.
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SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
We've seen, and
here's another issue that we
come across appraisers.
We will every now and then, andit's it's not that rare, get
contacted by some loan officeror uh and and what they're doing
is they need to know hey, themoisture in the basement, what's
going on with this, but is it astructural, is is it
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structurally impacting theproperty?
Well, and and they will phrasethings, they have no standard
language for how they're doing.
They will ask us about hey, weneed to know uh about the
foundation, about the water.
As a home inspector, I'mthinking, okay, gutters,
downspouts, it could be thegrading of the house, what's
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going on?
So, and there's one time we didthat, we had this.
Oh, yeah, we went there, and andwe even this is why we have to
be very specific with with theseuh these loan officers or or
appraisers, it doesn't reallymatter.
I kind of see them as doing thiscausing the same issues, is
what's that loan officer?
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What she wanted to know was isare there any pipes busted?
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
And that's not what
she said in either of the email
that we received from her untilthe very last, where she was
like, I don't know how I can bemore clear about these pipes.
SPEAKER_02 (06:46):
Yeah, and she never
used the word pipe.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
It's the first time
you've used the word pipe,
honey.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah, honey.
SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
Yeah, honey.
SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
So so if you share
your home inspection report with
uh loan officer, there whoknows?
They I really wonder about theirtraining sometimes or what their
role is because there is anytraining.
I will see them like, hey,there's water down here.
We need a whole structuralengineer.
I'm like, do you really?
(07:15):
No, I don't think so.
Or that lady there, she wants toknow if the pipes were busting
causing a leak.
So I'm like, and she never evenmentioned that.
So when we get a request forthis, hey, can you kind of write
a letter explaining what thecause of this moisture in the
basement, which is a common one?
Can you explain the moisture inthe basement?
We're gonna we need to groundwell, hey, what what exactly are
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you looking for?
Are you looking for pipes,foundation issues?
Uh what exactly are you lookingfor?
Because it seems to be about thethird time we asked the question
of the legitimate.
That's when we know exactly whatthey want.
And then and then we can answerthat because we don't want to
answer, go, oh yeah, that's thisis caused by this, this, and
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then that opened up another canof worms that they didn't need
to know.
Like that electric report didthat they did not need to know.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
So if you are the
buyer or the agent, tell your
buyers do not share thatinspection report with their
loan officer, because we may seea little bit of mold somewhere,
and now that opens up that opensup a moisture issue, that opens
up remediation, that opens uptesting, and we've had to do
that too because somebody hasinadvertently sent their report
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where we've then had to go outand test for it.
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Yes, I I remember
going to do a it's never
worthwhile to do a swab onsomething that's not even mold.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
No.
But you have no choice.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
Well, I we have to
do it to help the client.
But to help the client get thehouse bought that they want to
buy, we have to go and help themout.
SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
And we will we'll do
that, but so so keep in mind
though, what the home inspectionreport is is it's a list of the
conditions of that house at thatspecific point in time.
And then you look at that andyou go, Can I live with this?
Can I fix the the issues, or doI care about the issues?
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Are they going to impact it if Isell the house again?
And then you make your decisionwhether to buy the house or not,
and then the rest of that reportbecomes your honeydew list, and
you work on fixing stuff as youlive there over the course of
the next few years.
And then by the time you'redone, the house is in better
shape than when you bought it,and hopefully you get a higher
value for it when you sell it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:34):
Yeah, and most
things in the Home Special
Report are not big deals, butthey're they're stuff you for
you to be aware of, so you ithelps you maintain the house.
That is you will learn you know,five years worth of uh living
your house, you will learn allthat within the next couple
hours during our inspection andget your report.
That's you learn all that upfront.
So you know, like all right,there's a little bit of caulking
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and I need to uh touch that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
Keep up on that, and
it doesn't matter if your
caulking job does not look good,you just do it, and as long as
water's not getting back there,it doesn't matter how pretty it
looks, you will get there withtime.
It just takes some practice.
SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
I I I might doesn't
matter if it's pretty, no, as
long as it works.
That is as far as myperspective, that's true.
It as long as it works and it'ssafe, that is fine.
I've had real estate agents go,Oh, this is such a beautiful
house, it's perfect.
Um, the inspector won't find anyissues here for you, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
There's no perfect
house.
SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
You you just told
your a your client that you know
nothing about houses, or youthat you are that inexperienced,
or you're willing to pull thewool over the eye, which there's
always issues, brand new houses.
SPEAKER_01 (10:48):
So we we've been in
business for almost 24 years.
In 24 years, we have had tworeports doing like sixteen
hundred to two thousand a year,two reports in the course of
twenty-four years that did nothave a summary, and they were
both condos.
SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
Yes, and our
summaries take the bigger not
bigger issues, but they take themore issue, the larger issues,
puts me, puts them into a asummary.
Does it automatically do safety?
SPEAKER_01 (11:21):
Oh, I thought it
did.
Okay, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
No, no, a missing
outlet cover, that's a miss
that's the but over a certainnumber, though, right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Like more expensive
fixes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
You usually it's
more expensive things, but even
that's even that is variable.
Well, on how people interpretwhat's what needs put in, that
depends upon the person readerreading the client and and why
what's I comfortable with?
I had a house one time, lady didnot want to buy the house
because I had a gas stove.
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She was scared of gas.
But I looked behind, like,listen, you have an electric
hookup.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
Just take it out.
SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
Take this one,
donate it, and then go get or
sell it, and then use that moneyto buy yourself a new one.
She's like, Oh, okay.
House sold.
But it's it's silly stuff, butyeah, small, insignificant items
do not make the summary report.
So, all right, I think that'sabout it on this one.
SPEAKER_01 (12:14):
Bye, everybody.
SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
Bye bye.