June 15, 2025 • 48 mins
In this powerful episode of the Starter Girlz Podcast, host Jennifer Loehding sits down with Dr. Mary Sanders, a medical intuitive and chiropractor with over 30 years of experience, to share her transformational journey through burnout and into radical self-healing.
After hitting rock bottom in her career, Dr. Sanders embarked on a global journey—from Vietnam to Bali—that completely shifted her approach to success, wellness, and the mind-body connection.
You’ll hear how she turned burnout into breakthrough and discovered the deep healing power of energy medicine, nervous system regulation, and epigenetics.
What you’ll learn:
- How high achievers often miss early burnout signs
- What energy healing is and why it matters
- How nervous system regulation supports long-term health and clarity
- The role of chakras and trauma in healing
- A simple box breathing technique to reset your body
- How self-healing impacts not just you, but future generations
This episode is a must-listen for entrepreneurs, high performers, and purpose-driven women who feel exhausted, stuck, or out of sync—despite outward success.
Dr. Sanders reminds us that burnout recovery isn’t just about rest—it’s a reawakening of your energy, purpose, and potential.
Connect with Dr. Mary Sanders:
drmarysanders.com
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Dr. Mary Sanders (00:00):
So, very true, I think that the tools of
energy medicine, from the sphereof where I come from and this
is very similar to what you'rejust saying, jennifer, in that
we want the information, thetools, to be incredibly
applicable.
If you can't manage your toolsright and your regulation tools
when you go to the grocery store, or when at Thanksgiving meal
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or making it through theholidays or being engaged in an
intimate relationship, thenwe're missing the day-to-day
activities that would betransformative, transformative
in all the other facets of ourworld.
Jennifer Loehding (00:39):
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Join us as we explore thejourneys of those who dare to
dream big and achieve greatness.
I'm your host, JenniferLoehding, and welcome to this
episode.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Starter Girlz podcast.
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All right, and with that, we areready to bring the guest on
today.
So my guest today?
Dr Mary Sanders, a medicalintuitive chiropractor and host
of the internationally acclaimedEnergy Medicine podcast.
With more than 35 years ofexperience, dr Mary blends
energy medicine with positivepsychology to help others
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release what no longer servesthem and align with their true
selves, from spiritualembodiment to nervous system
regulation.
She brings real, applicablewisdom for creating sustainable
transformation in health,mindset and life.
And so, dr Mary Sanders, we'reso excited to have you here
today.
Welcome to the Start.
A Girl show.
Dr. Mary Sanders (04:42):
Well, thank you, jennifer.
I really appreciate theintroduction and everybody
that's tuning in today.
It is my honor, absolutely myhonor, to hold space for you all
today and to connect, so thankyou for being here.
Jennifer Loehding (04:53):
This is going to be so much fun.
So you asked me, before wejumped on the show, where I'm
calling in from.
I would love to know where areyou calling in from today?
Dr. Mary Sanders (05:02):
You know, today I'm calling in from
Boulder, Colorado.
Jennifer Loehding (05:05):
Oh, where are you calling in from today?
You know, today I'm calling infrom Boulder, colorado.
Oh, fun, awesome, I've beenthere.
Are you there?
Do you live there now?
Are you originally from thereor from elsewhere?
Dr. Mary Sanders (05:11):
Well, that's a legitimate question.
I am originally from theMidwest, and I came out to
Colorado immediately aftergraduating chiropractic school,
and so that is where I did thebulk of my business for 22 years
in Colorado Springs.
Then my husband and I had thefortunate pleasure of living
internationally for a littleover 10 years, and then, when we
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came back into the UnitedStates, we were still a little
reluctant to be here, and so wewere looking for a progressive,
forward-thinking alternativetown, and that's how we ended up
in Boulder.
Jennifer Loehding (05:47):
Ah, I gotcha, Colorado is such a great place
too.
I mean, you get such a—myhusband's brother lives in the
Colorado area and so, yeah, Ihaven't been there in a while,
but I love going through there.
They're originally from Montana, so sometimes we'll travel that
way, sometimes we go the otherdirection, but I love Colorado.
Dr. Mary Sanders (06:05):
It's a great place.
Yeah, same here.
Same here the sunshine helpsand the mountains and the fresh
air it's all good.
Jennifer Loehding (06:10):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, so okay.
So I want to talk about you.
I want to talk about yourjourney and obviously I love
that you got to.
You know, live abroad for awhile.
I've never been.
It's funny because we went on acruise and I say one.
I've been on more than onecruise, but we always seem to go
on these easy ones because wecould drive down to Galveston,
we could jump on a boat, we cango to Mexico, and I love it, and
I can go to the same place.
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I don't care, but that's likethe only places I've been abroad
and so I have not gotten to seethe world and travel all these
things.
So I love it when I get to hearpeople do this.
But I wanna want to talk aboutyour journey.
I want to back up and tell us alittle bit about what led to
the work that you're doing today, because I love what you're
doing Well for starters, I haveto say that your alignment and
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the intention of holding spacefor people, for health and
relationships, purpose andprosperity is so spot on.
Dr. Mary Sanders (07:00):
If any of those one four quadrants is out
of distortion, if any of thoseone four quadrants is out of
distortion, whether it be anexcess or deficiency, it will
impact the entire being in thesystem that we live in here on
this physical plane, and thathappened to me.
Honestly, I went through aprofessional burnout where I was
not living a balanced life.
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It darn near cost me my mentalwell-being, my financial
well-being and my physicalwell-being, and that's what
prompted the journey to leaveColorado Springs, where I had
multiple chiropractic offices,and we relocated literally to
the other side of the world, andso, within probably 45 days, I
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found myself leaving all theearthly possessions that we had
accumulated and ended up in HoChi Minh City, vietnam, and so
that created an incrediblecrisis for me, meaning that if I
didn't have my brick and mortarplace where people showed up
and referred to me as Dr Maryand people knew me at the
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grocery store, I didn't, youknow.
Obviously I was in a foreignland with foreign people not
knowing how to speak thelanguage, and I didn't know how
to show up in a way which feltaligned with my purpose.
So, jennifer, I did what anylogical person would do I ran
away from Ho Chi Minh City,vietnam, and I went down to Bali
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, indonesia, and the intentionfor doing that was to complete
my YTT, my yoga teacher'straining, and now I've been a
practicing yogi since I was 21.
So it had been a few years andI felt like I had a mature
practice.
But I was like I'm just goingto go do something for myself
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and take some time, somewell-deserved time, to kind of
reconnect.
And it was during that time thatI fell in love with meditation.
And so then I started toexplore the human body from a
different perspective, jennifer.
What ended up happening?
Obviously, I felt like I reallyknew the human body incredibly
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well, from the neck on down.
I knew the central nervoussystem, I understand you know
the parasympathetics and thesympathetics and how the body is
wired.
But then, all of a sudden,jennifer, I was like, wow,
what's really happening in thebrain?
What happened from aneuroscientific perspective when
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we meditate?
What's happening in there?
Kind of a researcher in thisarea.
And it just sparked somethingin me, jennifer, to realize once
again, we are more than ourthoughts, right.
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We're more than our emotions.
We're more than our physicalbody.
So, as time elapsed, anotherfive years passed, I realized
that you know what?
There's one more layer to thehuman body that very few people
are talking about and that isthe subtle electromagnetic
current that surrounds us andruns within us, and that's what
(10:17):
prompted me to attend theAcademy of Intuition Medicine
with Dr Francesca McCartney inSausalito, california, and it
finally.
Then I was given permission tokind of access, you know, some
information that I had beendeveloping over the years.
And then finally, literally,jennifer, I was like this is it,
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this is the ticket, this is howI can show up in the world.
That's in alignment with mypurpose Number one.
That was the missing ingredientthat I have been striving for
throughout my entire life, and Ihad glimpses of it in my
professional journey.
But I finally, finally, I wasin alignment with my purpose, my
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intention, the knowledge base,the skill set, how I wanted to
show up in this world.
It clicked, and that's when Ipulled everything together and
started holding space as amedical intuitive.
Jennifer Loehding (11:14):
That's so awesome.
Well, and I want to back up towhat you said early on, when
we're talking about theprosperity, all those things,
and because I think you justkind of showed the example of
how you brought all thattogether right, like you just
kind of pulled all that together, but you are so right and
that's why this show is set upthe way that it is is because
that's the work, that's my ownjourney, that's my journey, like
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yours, where you said you know,you have one of these crises.
Right, mine was the healthcrisis and there were more
crises, but that was the onethat was extremely recognizable
because it was causing the mostamount of pain in my life.
And so I firmly believe, likeyou, that if any of those pieces
are out of whack, that you arenot feeling, you're not feeling
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whole and you're just having alot of chaos.
And for me personally, I don'tknow if mine was, maybe it was a
burnout, but I think mine wasreally.
Personally, I don't know ifmine was, maybe it was a burnout
, but I think mine was reallylike I talk about a lot about
crash and burn as a highachiever, because I grew up in a
home where I felt that I neededto perform.
I needed like, literally, I wasa dancer, I needed to perform.
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And I moved out of that and itbecame about my achievements and
the things that I would do inschool or in my work and
everything.
It took me a really long time.
I'm in my fifties now and Ithink I finally have gotten to a
place where now I do thingsbecause I want to do them, not
necessarily because I feel theneed to prove to somebody that I
can do them Right, but I would.
A lot of that I attributed tothis crash and burn cycle where
I would go full on hardcore andthen I would crash and burn.
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Well, when I was younger, itwas migraine headaches.
That's what I would get.
That was the only thing I everdealt with.
I'd get an awful migraineheadache and I knew that when I
get a migraine, that meant 24 to48 hours downtime, right,
because you're forced to.
Well, oddly enough, thosemigraines changed and became the
where I don't know.
Somehow in my forties theychanged and became like okay,
(13:03):
you have aura, but no head pain,so you don't necessarily have
to take the 24 to 48 hours tooutside anymore, right?
No, but what happened was rightbefore I turned 40, I got
diagnosed with this rare nervecondition and I believe that
because I had that, that waskind of my wake-up call, that,
jennifer, you can't continue tokeep doing these crash and burn,
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so, like other people, haveburnouts or whatever.
That was kind of my burnout,that was my body burnout.
What's interesting is because ofthat, like you, this journey
that you went on, where youstarted to get taken in all
these information, I too,studied meditation, I studied
nervous system stuff, startedstudying all these things
because it wasn't that I waslike I want to use them
necessarily to help other people.
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They were really about healingme.
It was really about my work howdo I get better?
And in the process, all theselittle things started coming
together and I'm like, like yousaid, we're not just our
thoughts, right, like this is acomplex puzzle.
There are so many pieces to this.
So it's really basic to say,well, just go get more sleep,
(14:05):
right, because you need sleep,don't get me wrong, you need it.
But it's not just about thesleep.
There's a lot to this, right,and so that's why I love what
you're doing, because I thinkit's really that investigative
journey that we do on this levelI don't know if it's a
spiritual.
Whatever this level is that wedo, where we start putting all
this together and we realizewe're so much more than just
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getting up and running onautopilot every day and having a
burnout session, you know, andso I love what you're doing.
Dr. Mary Sanders (14:36):
You know, jennifer, I have to say you know
, with the years that I've beenholding space for people.
Our story is not uncommon.
There are so many listeners outthere that possibly, just
possibly, they may feel alone intheir journey and that they
feel, like you know, they're anisolated case.
But, listeners, I'm here totell you that what Jennifer and
I are talking about is normal.
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It's more common right due towe are products of our
environment, due to we areproducts of our environment and
consequently, we have been wiredneurologically to try to live
up to everyone's expectations.
And then we come from a place ofwill, we come from a place of
push and that determination andwe think that we're in control
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of this journey.
And when we set that stage,it's a recipe, a recipe for
disaster, that somewhere,somehow, your physical body will
be sending you signals.
For Jennifer, it started off asmigraines at a very, very young
age.
For me, I had other issues,physically and emotionally, that
would show up consistently, andemotionally that would show up
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consistently, and the patternwas to go, go, go, go, go.
Do not pay attention to thosesignals coming from the body.
Override them with all of yourwill centers and push yourself
through it, and then the bodywill speak up again with another
message, and yet we stillignore it and it continues.
(16:09):
That path or this behaviorcontinues until the body says oh
really, really, you're going totry to ignore me one more time.
I have news for you, lady.
It is not going to work for youanymore.
And then it shuts down, and thenwe wonder why we were betrayed
by our physical body.
The humor is not lost on meanymore.
Jennifer Loehding (16:23):
It and that's the body is so, so, so
intelligent yeah and well, and Ithink too because, like you
know, we talk about it in theseother areas.
I mean, we don't do anythinguntil crisis hits, right like.
So, when you talk about missingthe signs, we do.
We miss them because we thinkthat this over here is happening
and that's not a big deal onthis and the health obviously
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becomes a big deal for a lot ofpeople because you know they
have something happen wherethey're forced to have to make
change.
And so I think the big messagehere is really about paying
attention, right, like you'reteaching the self-awareness and
the intuitiveness so that youcan be self-aware and say you
know what, like I'm so much moreintuitive now, like it's so
(17:09):
funny because I had somebody youknow, like I do, um, I pet sit
on the side.
My daughter and I have a littlepet sitting business and I do
some on the side and I really doit just because I love pets.
It's not, yeah, I can make goodmoney at it, but it's not
something that I go out and sayI'm making a lot of engagement
in a negative way when you'rearound an animal.
So it's a very healing thingfor me.
But I had one client thatsomebody called me about
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somebody and this particularclient, and they smoke in their
house and so I don't like to bearound cigarette smoke because I
know that when I do that itimpairs my body and I don't want
the aftermath I don't want.
I'm not around it, I choosethat.
So my point to this is that Imake the choices consciously
every day Now to be one, listento the signals, pay attention to
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what works for my body, whatdoes it, and that's not just
about, like, the food I eat orthe sleep.
It's even the people that I putin my space, the material that I
consume, the amount of energy Iput into something Like I.
Just the other day I put alittle clip out from an episode
where I was talking aboutinterrupting bad thinking, bad
patterns of thought, Like if Ifind myself going down a trail
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of negative thinking, meaningI'm starting to think worst case
scenario, like I'm going tointerrupt that.
We'll totally interrupt thatand I will start my mantra.
You know, today is a great dayto be brave.
You might as well start now.
You have the power to changeyour circumstances any day you
decide to let today be that day.
I will interrupt it because Iam not going to continue to
allow myself to keep doing thatpattern of thought.
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So it's all these little thingsthat we, that I feel like and
you do the same and hopefullywe're sending the messages is
just being aware of what you'redoing, but also listening for
the signals.
Dr. Mary Sanders (18:49):
Absolutely, absolutely the somatic wisdom
that resides within all of us.
Again, the intelligence is notlost on me holding space for
others to literally slow downtheir brainwaves in a state of
meditation.
Literally slow down thebrainwaves in a state of
meditation to go away from theactive overachieving over
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orchestrating, organizing,executing brain you know that
manages 110 things at once andthen to bring down the
brainwaves so that we can, wecan enter into this state in
which we can access thesubconscious and reprogram the
subconscious brain to overcomewhatever negative spiral,
thinking that one wasexperiencing 10 minutes
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beforehand.
And I do think that thecondition of the environment is
so fear-based, we are sofear-based that we really don't
allow ourselves to decompress.
And what I mean by that is toslow down long enough to meet
and greet the frequency ofMother Earth, that healing,
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organic nurturing, saturating,ever-loving energy that's
present to us 24-7, 365, andthat's the earth energy that
shimmers residence.
So very few of us are tappinginto a resource that's readily
available to us.
Jennifer Loehding (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
And you talk a lot aboutmeditation, which I love.
I studied transcendentalmeditation for a while, back
when my oldest daughter wasgoing through something, and we
actually did it together.
I won't tell you that she wastoo fond of it at the time
because she was really young,but I think I did it mostly for
me and I just I kept thinking inmy mind I wanted it, you know,
because she was also a highachiever, you know just to give
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her space to calm down.
But I believe in the power ofit.
And even now, sometimes I'lljust go, you know, and I tell
people, you know, like I'm a bigfan.
I don't get to do it often, butI love my little 20 minute rest
sessions where I will set my youknow phone and I only do that
so in case I fall asleep, so Idon't oversleep, because then I
don't want to get into that, butI just I'll be like I just,
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you're right, how do you do that?
I'm like I just close my eyesand I just pause and when I get
up I feel so much better and I'mready to go again and like I'm
in it, in the zone again, causeI've just had that, even if it's
not a full go to sleep, it'sjust a relaxing for me, just to
go kind of inward.
And so I'm all with you aboutthe pause and just, you know,
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and I was telling someone theother day, we were talking about
, just from a level of emotionalintelligence, right, because
we're so on the go that we'realways reacting right, like even
in a personal space dealingwith humans, we're always
reacting to everything right,the stigma, the people,
everything.
And so we were talking abouthow do you, you know, ask the
right questions of people andstuff, right?
And I was talking about, yeah,how, like, I'm working on
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pausing, just pausing, even ifyou know, if we're not just
talking about pausing for ourhealth, but even in our reaction
to how we deal with people,just pausing, giving ourselves
permission to go inward for amoment and we don't have to
react to every single thing thatcomes at us.
Dr. Mary Sanders (21:59):
So very true.
And again, that's reprogrammingour autonomic nervous system.
Yeah, yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (22:05):
I love it.
So what does it look like whena client comes to you?
You don't have to tell useverything, because we obviously
want them to call you right, wewant to give all the good deeds
here.
But when a client comes to you,what does this look like for
them?
Like, what are they goingthrough, in a sense of what's
the?
I mean, obviously we've talkedabout the pausing and going
intuitive and all of that, butwhat does this look like for
them coming to you?
Dr. Mary Sanders (22:26):
You know, I think that everybody has their
own motivating factor.
Okay, for you it was illness,for me it was.
It could be mental disturbances, it could be financial
disturbances, relationshipdisturbances or just not feeling
fulfilled within life.
But, as a medical intuitive,most people gravitate towards me
with some kind of physicaldysfunction, something
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dysregulated on some level.
So I'd like to, because we'vebeen talking about the
overachieving mentality andtalking about how we are
cultivated in a world that'sfear-based and it is so common
that I hold space for people andone of the first things that I
witnessed is the area ofdysregulation for lack of better
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words within the first energycenter located within the
physical body and that's locateddeep within the pelvis.
Now I'm going to shift theconversation from the physical,
but in my world I can't just go.
Physical is one level, mentalis another, energetic is another
, chemical is another.
It's all intertwined, it's allintegrative to me, but most
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people will come in with somekind of a fear-based whether and
again from any of the facets oflife that we were just talking
about.
Most of them are in sympatheticdominance, unable to regulate
the central nervous system,looking to find their purpose,
looking to find out how they'regoing to show up in the world
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and how they can deeply trust inthe universe, that they will
always be loved up in the worldand how they can deeply trust in
the universe that they willalways be loved, cared for and
nurtured.
And so the energy system that Ifind are most dysregulated is
the first energy center, locatedwithin the pelvic bowl, and so
the energy centers that I'mtalking about are known as
chakras, and for some of thelisteners you may be like, here
(24:22):
she goes, she's off on the deepend again, but I'm here to share
with all of you that I comefrom a very heavy scientific
background, and so there is afoundation in which science is
proving the validity of what itis that I'm about ready to
discuss, and that an energycenter known as the chakra.
And for the sake of today'sconversation, we're only going
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to talk about the major sevenchakras and specifically in our
conversation, the first one,located deep within the pelvic
bowl.
The chakra has three primaryfunctions.
Number one to receiveinformation from our environment
.
What is our environment?
People, places, things, itemsthat influence our central
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nervous system, so everythingthat's outside of us.
The second thing that happensthis information from the body
or from the environment comes inthrough the subtle energetic
body that surrounds our physicalbody.
It makes impact with the energycenter, the energy center.
Then third step is toassimilate this information and
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express it out into theenvironment.
So you receive, assimilate andthen express and a lot happens
chemically, neurologically,chemically, neurologically,
emotionally, hormonally, in allof that, in that entire cycle.
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So as we receive energy orinformation from our environment
and we pick it up deep withinthe pelvic bowl, the adrenal
systems will be triggered.
And the adrenals you know we'renot going to get into a big
physiology, you know anatomy 101, but basically the adrenals are
responsible hormonally forproducing things that make you,
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things that want to speed you up.
So your adrenaline, yourepinephrine, your norepinephrine
, your DHEA, those things areall designed to pick up
hormonally for a fight or flightsituation.
So what ends up happening isthat there are chemicals that
are produced when you areprocessing the information
energetically from theenvironment.
(26:36):
The hormones will be thenpicked up within the circulatory
system, it goes up into thebrain, it goes in and it gets
processed with neuropeptide andthen all of this information
surges back down from thephysical body and then you
express yourself out into theuniverse, okay, or out into the
(26:57):
environment.
And so, when it comes to wantingto work through any dysfunction
, to lean into more trust moretrust that you are in the right
place at the right time with theright people, and if you're not
, then you get to trust thatthat circumstance or that
situation does exist for you,does exist for you.
(27:25):
So it's knowing that you'resurrounded by the right people,
knowing that you will always becared for, regardless how much
money you make or whether or notyou're in alignment with your
purpose.
Prosperity.
All of that shows up within thefirst energy center, and that's
the most common energy centerthat I start with when I'm
holding space, when a newpatient or a new client comes
(27:47):
into my practice.
Jennifer Loehding (27:48):
Sure, it's interesting, yeah, and I've
heard that.
I haven't heard it quite asdetailed as you put it.
So thank you for sharing all ofthat, because it definitely
makes sense.
I mean, I get it.
There was something else.
Oh well, when you were talkingabout people coming to you for
health reasons, because peoplewill ask me all the time like,
what do people like people whenI'm out networking, I'll say you
know, what do clients come toyou for?
And it's funny because you knowI have starter girls kind of
(28:11):
set up as the business side ofthings.
It's like it's geared for,obviously, the female
entrepreneur.
How do we help them beholistically well so that they
can operate their businessesright?
But the premise here is mostlyon the business side, whereas
the work that I do on JenniferLoading is a lot more
wellness-based, because that'sthe stuff that I breathe, that's
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the stuff I wake up thinkingabout, go to bed thinking about
right.
And it's so funny because I'mthinking about your work and
it's like these people will cometo me because a lot of times
they're wanting to work on theirbusiness right and I can't go
to them in the beginning and say, okay, well, I know how we're
going to solve that.
But we got to do all this firstbecause they're going to look
at me and be like right, becauseI don't have a health crisis
(28:55):
going on, so I have to,subliminally.
I always tell them.
What ends up happening is we'reteaming all that.
But usually what happens issomewhere around the fifth or
sixth week.
I call it sort of the likecoming to Jesus moment.
It's where we realize that Ihave talked a lot and they still
haven't made a move.
And you know why?
It's because we need to work ona lot of this stuff you're
(29:15):
talking about.
We need to get back to workingon some things over here, and so
I've gotten with the lastclient that I took on.
I immediately I you know one ofthe things I told her right up
front.
As I said, we're going to beworking on the nervous system
like from the very beginning,because when we work on this, it
makes it you're going to bemore receptive to what we're
talking about over here.
You're going to come from adifferent place than if you're
(29:36):
all high, strong over here.
We're trying to implement, putthings into your space.
You're not even going to wantto be receiving that information
, so it's not quite as advancedas what you're talking about,
but it's coming from that samespace of you know, I believe.
Yes, we've got to work on thesepieces over here for us so that
the information that I'mtalking about from a business
(29:56):
perspective is receptive.
And I tell people that you know, like when they go to like
their financial planner or totheir marriage counselor or to
any of those places, my job isto hopefully give them the
ability to receive thatinformation.
Dr. Mary Sanders (30:10):
You know and it'll stick.
Jennifer Loehding (30:12):
Hopefully it's going to stick, instead of,
like you, go to the gym inJanuary and lead by February
mindset where we take somethingon but we're not really ready to
receive it, you know so.
Dr. Mary Sanders (30:23):
So, very true, I think that the tools of
energy medicine, from the sphereof where I come from and this
is very similar to what you'rejust saying, jennifer, in that
we want the information, thetools, to be incredibly
applicable.
If you can't manage your toolsright and your regulation tools
when you go to the grocery storeor when you're at Thanksgiving
(30:45):
meal or making it through theholidays or being engaged in an
intimate relationship, thenwe're missing the day-to-day
activities that would betransformative transformative in
all the other facets of ourworld, transformative in all the
other facets of our world.
And so when you're teachingthem how to regulate their
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autonomic nervous system or todown-regulate, you know, if
they're too sympathetic,dominant, how do you do that?
Can you do it with your simplebreathing techniques, can you do
it with simple body movement,can you do it through meditation
or taking your silent, you know, 20 minutes in the afternoon.
Those are beautiful, beautifultools that we can use and
(31:27):
resources that we should leaninto in order to see bigger
transformative shifts.
Jennifer Loehding (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
We got frozen there for aminute.
Both of us were frozen, sohopefully, hopefully, the
recording caught that We'll haveto like clip a little bit in
here to get us caught up today.
Yeah, no, I agree with you oneverything.
I think it's good stuff and Ithink the energy stuff is.
You know, I had a gal come onhere a long time ago and her
work I can't remember what itwas she was doing, but it was a
(31:57):
lot talking about how energycomes from a lot of the past
things that we experience, whichis a lot of what I talk about,
maybe not as much from theenergy perspective, but how we
hang on to belief systems andthings that we went through as
young children and they manifestin these very different ways in
the habits and patterns ofbehavior that we use.
(32:17):
But she was specifically talkingabout how the energy is tied to
that and it will show up in ourorgans and stuff like that,
like we harbor it, we hang on toit, right, like it stays in
there.
You know like if you have likewe're talking about with these
conditions that come up, youknow like there's this talk now
where they're.
You know they're saying that,like children who grew up like
in high stress homes and stuff,how they have like chronic
(32:39):
conditions later on, like hellothis, welcome to my world.
I feel like let's not have alot of stress when we're little
because you pay for it later.
You know it does show up inyour health.
So a lot of good stuff here,mary.
I love it.
Dr. Mary Sanders (32:58):
Yeah, you know , jennifer though I'm going to
take it one step further becauseI do think that people are
ready to start looking at thisand that is Jennifer.
You learned this conditionedresponse from somewhere.
Ok, and, and again, you know,maybe you learned it from your
mother, maybe you learned itfrom your father, but if you
learned it from your mother, thesame question applies to her
(33:18):
when does she learn it?
And then it could be just afamilial thing, ancestral, or it
could be something that wasculturally embedded within the
makeup.
And so what we find is that andthe field of epigenetics is so
strong that we, literally,genetically, we inherit right,
our DNA is made up of all of ourancestors, and so we, as
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beautiful humans residing withinour beautiful spirits, residing
within our human home, have theability to have a genetic
expression, maybe something youknow that we don't want to align
with, a conditioned responsethat's been within our families
for generations.
We don't have to express thatgene.
We can learn how to align to adifferent genetic makeup that's
(34:06):
within us as well, and so youcan make those changes, you can
do the healing which you havebeen, and that's going to affect
your daughter and that's goingto affect your daughter's
daughter and your daughter's andit just goes down.
So healing is not linear as faras time is concerned.
So that's so powerful when youthink about it from a quantum
(34:26):
perspective.
And that's really where quantumscience whether it be quantum
neurology, quantum biology, thatis what it is telling us is
that we have more ability, wecan empower ourselves to take
control of our own healingjourney and how we choose to
genetically show up.
Jennifer Loehding (34:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff.
I love that.
Yeah, I think I it's funny how,when you guys talk, I have
guests come on.
So I start thinking about otherguests and the conversations
that they came on here becausewe had talked to.
I had somebody come on here onetime.
Another story talked about moneyand we were talking about how
money beliefs are generational,like they're in your DNA and you
and you carry out thesepatterns and behaviors wrapped
(35:09):
around money, and it's really inalignment with what you're
talking about and so I thinkthere's it goes deeper than us
saying like great generationalcurses.
Right, it's such a deep level,right, when we talk about this,
because it's not just aboutrecognizing something that you
didn't like, it's really aboutyou healing because it has such
a bigger impact on down right,like intuitively and stuff.
(35:33):
And so, yeah, I hope I alwayssay you know, my kids are adults
now, but I hope that, you know,when I had my oldest she's now
gonna be 29.
And I wasn't this way,obviously, when they were all
born, but I hope that as theyhave been growing, they've been
watching this journey andpicking up on some of that in
their own processes and in theirjourney as well, and I'm sure
(35:55):
you would defy all natural lawsfor them not to be recognizing
the healing and thetransformation that's happening
within you.
Yeah, and I love the work thatyou're doing because I think
it's important and I think it'sfun when we get, you know, have
these conversations on StarterGirls, because we spend a lot of
time, you know, talking aboutleadership and entrepreneurship
and how to succeed at life.
But really, this is afoundation.
(36:17):
This is if you want to trulysucceed in life.
Climbing a corporate ladder oryour own ladder, whatever is not
going to fulfill you, it's notgoing to be that it may
temporarily get you to happiness, but to truly, in my mind, feel
successful and feel really good.
It's a whole approach, it's notjust one thing, it's this whole
approach and it really startswith us.
(36:38):
It starts with us going inwardand being intuitive and pause.
And I love the big thing herewe talked about like really just
pausing, making space for this,going inward, because there's
something really I love.
I you know it's hard because weget so busy and we, you know,
and I like the other day I wastalking to a client and she's
like, oh my gosh, I'm so farbehind.
And I'm like, listen, if you doanything, give yourself just a
(36:59):
few minutes.
Like it will make all thedifference just to take a few
minutes and do like I have toolsand techniques that she's
working on.
But just if it's just fiveminutes, take that time because
it will make all the differencein what you're trying to do for
the rest of the day.
And I know for me, and I'm sureyou're the same way, that just
those little minutes that Iallow for myself every day, I
(37:21):
mean it can transform my entireday.
Dr. Mary Sanders (37:25):
You know, I agree, my meditation practice
was my most favorite part of theday.
Jennifer Loehding (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, I love that, I love that.
So for somebody maybe we'vebeen talking about pausing and
going intuitive and you've saidso many great things.
I mean, what is something wecould give, something, you know
something we can lean intosomebody to say how can they
start today, maybe just a littlesomething they can do for
themselves, to maybe hold spacefor themselves?
Dr. Mary Sanders (37:52):
Yeah, you know when, when you ask that
question, there are severaldifferent polyvagal exercises
that I think are just really sosimple, so easy and accessible
for people.
I really do.
I find the power of boxbreathing to be incredibly
powerful and it's simple.
It's so simple and for thoselisteners who are not familiar
(38:13):
with box breathing, just thinkabout your typical square.
You know each side is equal inlength, and so you do the same
thing with your breath.
And so if you do an inhalationfor a count of six, then you
hold your breath for a count ofsix, and then you exhale for a
count of six, then you hold yourbreath for a count of six, and
(38:35):
so then you would go through.
Let's say, you know six seemsto be the magic number, and so
then you would go through.
Let's say you know six seems tobe the magic number, you would
(39:01):
go through a cycle of six boxesand then you, where you're going
to be more engaged in betterunderstanding and coming from a
more regulated state, which is,you know, everybody listening
would agree that that's 10 timesmore healthy, 10 times more
productive.
It's all those things that wewant it to be.
So just a simple exercise suchas box.
Breathing will shift theneurology.
Jennifer Loehding (39:21):
And I will attest to the box breathing
because I use it for myselfsometimes.
And yes, it's hard when youfirst start to do it because
you're so used to just breathingand now all of a sudden you're
thinking about your breathing.
Right, it's a different thing.
But once you kind of get in andyou do it, it's like I remember
I did some.
I haven't done it recently, butI did one not too long ago.
And it's like I remember I didsome.
I haven't done it recently, butI did one not too long ago.
And it was pretty intense atthe beginning.
(39:41):
It was like I was really, andthen I could feel myself just
slowly, as I'm doing it, calm,you know, coming down, coming
down, coming down, so a lot oflike I told you the nervous
system training.
I studied that I was in thekind of in the middle of coming
out of this second condition,but I was right in the heat of
it and it was in the thing.
When you're dealing with achronic condition, as you know,
because you're dealing withpatients like that, when you're
(40:02):
not getting better, there'sanxiety because you're not
getting better.
So it's like that vicious cycle, that it's a loop you get
caught in which messes yournervous system up completely,
because you're caught in thisfight or flight loop and you
can't get out.
So, as you're not gettingbetter, you're panicking because
you're not getting better.
Well, you're not getting better.
Because you're panicking,you're not getting better, and
so and I am not one to playvictim very well, I don't like
(40:26):
being sick, and so if I'm sick,I'm really sick, like I'm sick.
And there was a while there Ispent when, right after I got
diagnosed, they did a procedureand I spent 18 months pretty
much struggling.
I couldn't eat, I was having ahard time and this my, my
anxiety was really high Turnedout that I also, in the middle
of that, found out I had lowiron and had to do iron infusion
(40:47):
, so I had a lot going on.
So I was having panic attacksbecause my iron was messed up
and then I was having thisanxiety, and so that's when I
really leaned into um, that'swhen I ended up getting
certified for the nervous system, because I went into that as a
means to really just help try tocalm myself down during this
time.
And that box breathing wasinstrumental during that period
(41:07):
because it really like I wouldfeel myself getting ready to
have that panic attack and I'mlike, ok, we're going to go do
some box breathing.
Today, you know, thankfully I'mnot having, we're much calmer
now.
So about having those panicattacks and where health is
doing a lot better, but it isit's a vicious cycle.
You get into the loop, and so Ithink what you're doing is so
important, because it is abouthow do we break that cycle and
(41:29):
get out of that so that we cancalm down and you just show up,
like we've talked about in thiswhole episode.
You just show up differently.
I know it's helped metremendously.
Dr. Mary Sanders (41:40):
Yeah, just show up differently.
I know it's helped metremendously.
Yeah, I think the main takeawayfor today's conversation is to
empower the listeners.
You really do have greatercontrol than what we may have
been conditionally taught.
So, jennifer's, your body isadaptable it is.
Your brain can mold and createnew neuronal pathways.
(42:06):
Hormonally, you can regulate,you can shift your central
nervous system.
I mean, we are.
So.
Our physical bodies are themost amazingly engineered
organism out there, and I'vebeen studying the human body for
over 35 years and let me tellyou something there isn't a day
(42:27):
in which the body doesn't ceaseto amaze me.
Jennifer Loehding (42:30):
It's amazing, Amazing.
Well, you're doing good work.
I love it and I'm glad we gotto have this conversation.
I never know where these aregoing to go.
It's so funny because I lovethe health and wellness space, I
love talking and I think ourstories are testaments.
I think they really help otherpeople know that, like you
mentioned, they're not alone.
These are common threads Anxiety, this push to need for hustle,
culture all of this stuff is outthere and you know, the big
(42:51):
thing is, yeah, pay attention,you don't want to have.
You know.
I would say that I feel likeI've been given these things for
a reason, because one, it'staught me empathy and compassion
, right For others, and but italso, I think, it gave me a
voice.
I think it's allowed me to beable to do this and to have
these conversations with peoplelike you, but also to be able to
impart this stuff on others andsay, hey, look, you don't have
(43:13):
to wait till you have a majorcrisis in your life to to be
into it, to ever to take thattime.
Do it so you don't have to.
Right, Like, hopefully youdon't have to, you know, because
I always say I never wish thesethings on anybody, but I do
feel grateful that that uh one.
They've taught me things andthey've given me a voice to
(43:33):
share and help other people inthe in the journey.
So I admire your work.
I'm glad that you figured outyour calling and your purpose
and your passion and you linedall the things so that you could
talk about it and share withthe world what you need to share
.
Dr. Mary Sanders (43:49):
Thank you, Thank you.
My purpose is that if I canshare my knowledge and wisdom to
you know, spare somebody elseto School of Hard Knocks, then
that's half the battle, right.
Jennifer Loehding (43:59):
Yeah, school of hard knocks, right, right, I
know I want my kids.
You know they're all youngadults now and I watch them and
it's so crazy how we talk aboutthose generational things and
I'll be like, how are they doingthat thing that I did at that
age, when I'm not even doingthat thing anymore?
It's like is it in the D?
It's in the DNA, and I'mwatching him and I'm like
(44:20):
anymore, it's like is it in theD, it's in the DNA, and I'm
watching him and I'm like, andI'm talking like we're
stubbornness, just purestubbornness, and having to do
things the hard way.
And I'm just like all three ofthem, all three of them, and I'm
like you know, we really don'tneed to make life hard.
Okay, like, just don't follow mylead, we don't need to do all
this, because I promise you thatif you continue down that path,
(44:40):
you're going to wake up one dayand you might be in my shoes.
You don't?
Let's just not do this, let'snot.
You know, that's part of myother part is like how can I
just keep imparting this intothere?
And hopefully, you know, theylisten to these episodes
sometimes and they listen to theclips and they like them every
now and then and I keep thinkingthey're going to, they're
picking up on it, you know.
So I think it's, it's goodconversation and hopefully we're
(45:03):
making a difference in theworld.
So Absolutely.
So, mary, yeah, if our audiencewants to get in touch with you
cause I'm hopeful that somebodylistening to this today may say
you know what, like I want to Iwant to follow Dr Mary Sanders.
I want to get in touch with her.
I want to learn more about herwork, or maybe they need some
help.
Where do we want to send them?
Dr. Mary Sanders (45:21):
You know, I would like to send everybody who
may be just curious to mywebsite, and that is
wwwdrmarysandercom.
It's a living breathingorganism, I kid you not.
It stays current with all myofferings, whether it be my
somatic healing, my groupenvironment or one-on-ones, or
the podcast, or upcoming classes, my toolbox classes or
(45:45):
international retreats.
All that information is on thewebsite.
But I think the thing that Ilike about the website the most
is that it gives you anopportunity to create a
discovery call, and that is justan opportunity for you to
decide one way or another.
If there is a resonance, afrequency in which you know, you
feel that you're safe, you'reheard and you feel understood,
(46:09):
then that might be a conduciveenvironment for healing.
So take advantage of thediscovery calls.
Jennifer Loehding (46:15):
Yeah, and real quick, tell our listeners a
little bit about your podcastso they know, because they may
want to plug in and listen tothat.
Dr. Mary Sanders (46:22):
The podcast name is Energy Medicine.
We talk about all things thatalign the mind, body and spirit,
and so, for the most part, wehave practitioners credential
practitioners who come in.
We're holding the space for youknow the hardcore science that
has been proven, and then wealso know that there are
sciences that have yet to beproven in the healing world, and
(46:44):
that we know that, as apractitioner, there's a big old
pregnant pause.
You know that the patientsrespond to our modalities or our
techniques, but we may not beable to scientifically say, yes,
this has been proven to beeffective.
So I'm holding space for peopleto understand that healing, the
empowerment, comes from within,and to educate people about
(47:07):
various different modalities.
Jennifer Loehding (47:10):
I love it.
I have to tune in and check itout.
I love it.
So you're doing amazing thingsand I admire your work and I
want to you know, I guess say toyou congratulations on finding
you know your space and wish youcontinued success in what
you're doing.
Dr. Mary Sanders (47:24):
Thank, you and Jennifer.
The same goes to you.
I feel the positive intent inwhich you're holding space for
others and I just think thatthat's just remarkable.
So applying all of your life,learn lessons and sharing it so
openly with others, I think, isthe big deal.
Jennifer Loehding (47:40):
Thank you so much, appreciate that.
Well, of course, what we'll dohere is we'll make sure that
when we get these show notes puttogether, we will get your
website in there and, you know,of course, get you tagged in all
the right places so that ourpeople can find you.
And I do want to say to thelisteners of course we
appreciate you and are gratefulfor you every day and of course
I hope you found this episodeboth inspiring and informative.
(48:01):
Reach out to Dr Mary Sanders ifyou need her help or just want
some guidance, or to follow herpodcast, whatever you feel you
need to do, and then, on our end, you know what to do.
All the things like share,subscribe, comment, so we can
keep sharing all this fabulouscontent with you.
And, as I always say, in orderto live the extraordinary, you
(48:21):
must start, and every startbegins with a decision.
You guys, take care, be safe,be kind to one another and we
will see you next time.
Thank you.
So, very true, I think that the tools of
energy medicine, from the sphereof where I come from and this
is very similar to what you'rejust saying, jennifer, in that
we want the information, thetools, to be incredibly
applicable.
If you can't manage your toolsright and your regulation tools
when you go to the grocery store, or when at Thanksgiving meal
(00:23):
or making it through theholidays or being engaged in an
intimate relationship, thenwe're missing the day-to-day
activities that would betransformative, transformative
in all the other facets of ourworld.
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of the internationally acclaimedEnergy Medicine podcast.
With more than 35 years ofexperience, dr Mary blends
energy medicine with positivepsychology to help others
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release what no longer servesthem and align with their true
selves, from spiritualembodiment to nervous system
regulation.
She brings real, applicablewisdom for creating sustainable
transformation in health,mindset and life.
And so, dr Mary Sanders, we'reso excited to have you here
today.
Welcome to the Start.
A Girl show.
Dr. Mary Sanders (04:42):
Well, thank you, jennifer.
I really appreciate theintroduction and everybody
that's tuning in today.
It is my honor, absolutely myhonor, to hold space for you all
today and to connect, so thankyou for being here.
Jennifer Loehding (04:53):
This is going to be so much fun.
So you asked me, before wejumped on the show, where I'm
calling in from.
I would love to know where areyou calling in from today?
Dr. Mary Sanders (05:02):
You know, today I'm calling in from
Boulder, Colorado.
Jennifer Loehding (05:05):
Oh, where are you calling in from today?
You know, today I'm calling infrom Boulder, colorado.
Oh, fun, awesome, I've beenthere.
Are you there?
Do you live there now?
Are you originally from thereor from elsewhere?
Dr. Mary Sanders (05:11):
Well, that's a legitimate question.
I am originally from theMidwest, and I came out to
Colorado immediately aftergraduating chiropractic school,
and so that is where I did thebulk of my business for 22 years
in Colorado Springs.
Then my husband and I had thefortunate pleasure of living
internationally for a littleover 10 years, and then, when we
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came back into the UnitedStates, we were still a little
reluctant to be here, and so wewere looking for a progressive,
forward-thinking alternativetown, and that's how we ended up
in Boulder.
Jennifer Loehding (05:47):
Ah, I gotcha, Colorado is such a great place
too.
I mean, you get such a—myhusband's brother lives in the
Colorado area and so, yeah, Ihaven't been there in a while,
but I love going through there.
They're originally from Montana, so sometimes we'll travel that
way, sometimes we go the otherdirection, but I love Colorado.
Dr. Mary Sanders (06:05):
It's a great place.
Yeah, same here.
Same here the sunshine helpsand the mountains and the fresh
air it's all good.
Jennifer Loehding (06:10):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, so okay.
So I want to talk about you.
I want to talk about yourjourney and obviously I love
that you got to.
You know, live abroad for awhile.
I've never been.
It's funny because we went on acruise and I say one.
I've been on more than onecruise, but we always seem to go
on these easy ones because wecould drive down to Galveston,
we could jump on a boat, we cango to Mexico, and I love it, and
I can go to the same place.
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I don't care, but that's likethe only places I've been abroad
and so I have not gotten to seethe world and travel all these
things.
So I love it when I get to hearpeople do this.
But I wanna want to talk aboutyour journey.
I want to back up and tell us alittle bit about what led to
the work that you're doing today, because I love what you're
doing Well for starters, I haveto say that your alignment and
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the intention of holding spacefor people, for health and
relationships, purpose andprosperity is so spot on.
Dr. Mary Sanders (07:00):
If any of those one four quadrants is out
of distortion, if any of thoseone four quadrants is out of
distortion, whether it be anexcess or deficiency, it will
impact the entire being in thesystem that we live in here on
this physical plane, and thathappened to me.
Honestly, I went through aprofessional burnout where I was
not living a balanced life.
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It darn near cost me my mentalwell-being, my financial
well-being and my physicalwell-being, and that's what
prompted the journey to leaveColorado Springs, where I had
multiple chiropractic offices,and we relocated literally to
the other side of the world, andso, within probably 45 days, I
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found myself leaving all theearthly possessions that we had
accumulated and ended up in HoChi Minh City, vietnam, and so
that created an incrediblecrisis for me, meaning that if I
didn't have my brick and mortarplace where people showed up
and referred to me as Dr Maryand people knew me at the
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grocery store, I didn't, youknow.
Obviously I was in a foreignland with foreign people not
knowing how to speak thelanguage, and I didn't know how
to show up in a way which feltaligned with my purpose.
So, jennifer, I did what anylogical person would do I ran
away from Ho Chi Minh City,vietnam, and I went down to Bali
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, indonesia, and the intentionfor doing that was to complete
my YTT, my yoga teacher'straining, and now I've been a
practicing yogi since I was 21.
So it had been a few years andI felt like I had a mature
practice.
But I was like I'm just goingto go do something for myself
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and take some time, somewell-deserved time, to kind of
reconnect.
And it was during that time thatI fell in love with meditation.
And so then I started toexplore the human body from a
different perspective, jennifer.
What ended up happening?
Obviously, I felt like I reallyknew the human body incredibly
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well, from the neck on down.
I knew the central nervoussystem, I understand you know
the parasympathetics and thesympathetics and how the body is
wired.
But then, all of a sudden,jennifer, I was like, wow,
what's really happening in thebrain?
What happened from aneuroscientific perspective when
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we meditate?
What's happening in there?
Kind of a researcher in thisarea.
And it just sparked somethingin me, jennifer, to realize once
again, we are more than ourthoughts, right.
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We're more than our emotions.
We're more than our physicalbody.
So, as time elapsed, anotherfive years passed, I realized
that you know what?
There's one more layer to thehuman body that very few people
are talking about and that isthe subtle electromagnetic
current that surrounds us andruns within us, and that's what
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prompted me to attend theAcademy of Intuition Medicine
with Dr Francesca McCartney inSausalito, california, and it
finally.
Then I was given permission tokind of access, you know, some
information that I had beendeveloping over the years.
And then finally, literally,jennifer, I was like this is it,
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this is the ticket, this is howI can show up in the world.
That's in alignment with mypurpose Number one.
That was the missing ingredientthat I have been striving for
throughout my entire life, and Ihad glimpses of it in my
professional journey.
But I finally, finally, I wasin alignment with my purpose, my
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intention, the knowledge base,the skill set, how I wanted to
show up in this world.
It clicked, and that's when Ipulled everything together and
started holding space as amedical intuitive.
Jennifer Loehding (11:14):
That's so awesome.
Well, and I want to back up towhat you said early on, when
we're talking about theprosperity, all those things,
and because I think you justkind of showed the example of
how you brought all thattogether right, like you just
kind of pulled all that together, but you are so right and
that's why this show is set upthe way that it is is because
that's the work, that's my ownjourney, that's my journey, like
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yours, where you said you know,you have one of these crises.
Right, mine was the healthcrisis and there were more
crises, but that was the onethat was extremely recognizable
because it was causing the mostamount of pain in my life.
And so I firmly believe, likeyou, that if any of those pieces
are out of whack, that you arenot feeling, you're not feeling
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whole and you're just having alot of chaos.
And for me personally, I don'tknow if mine was, maybe it was a
burnout, but I think mine wasreally.
Personally, I don't know ifmine was, maybe it was a burnout
, but I think mine was reallylike I talk about a lot about
crash and burn as a highachiever, because I grew up in a
home where I felt that I neededto perform.
I needed like, literally, I wasa dancer, I needed to perform.
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And I moved out of that and itbecame about my achievements and
the things that I would do inschool or in my work and
everything.
It took me a really long time.
I'm in my fifties now and Ithink I finally have gotten to a
place where now I do thingsbecause I want to do them, not
necessarily because I feel theneed to prove to somebody that I
can do them Right, but I would.
A lot of that I attributed tothis crash and burn cycle where
I would go full on hardcore andthen I would crash and burn.
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Well, when I was younger, itwas migraine headaches.
That's what I would get.
That was the only thing I everdealt with.
I'd get an awful migraineheadache and I knew that when I
get a migraine, that meant 24 to48 hours downtime, right,
because you're forced to.
Well, oddly enough, thosemigraines changed and became the
where I don't know.
Somehow in my forties theychanged and became like okay,
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you have aura, but no head pain,so you don't necessarily have
to take the 24 to 48 hours tooutside anymore, right?
No, but what happened was rightbefore I turned 40, I got
diagnosed with this rare nervecondition and I believe that
because I had that, that waskind of my wake-up call, that,
jennifer, you can't continue tokeep doing these crash and burn,
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so, like other people, haveburnouts or whatever.
That was kind of my burnout,that was my body burnout.
What's interesting is because ofthat, like you, this journey
that you went on, where youstarted to get taken in all
these information, I too,studied meditation, I studied
nervous system stuff, startedstudying all these things
because it wasn't that I waslike I want to use them
necessarily to help other people.
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They were really about healingme.
It was really about my work howdo I get better?
And in the process, all theselittle things started coming
together and I'm like, like yousaid, we're not just our
thoughts, right, like this is acomplex puzzle.
There are so many pieces to this.
So it's really basic to say,well, just go get more sleep,
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right, because you need sleep,don't get me wrong, you need it.
But it's not just about thesleep.
There's a lot to this, right,and so that's why I love what
you're doing, because I thinkit's really that investigative
journey that we do on this levelI don't know if it's a
spiritual.
Whatever this level is that wedo, where we start putting all
this together and we realizewe're so much more than just
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getting up and running onautopilot every day and having a
burnout session, you know, andso I love what you're doing.
Dr. Mary Sanders (14:36):
You know, jennifer, I have to say you know
, with the years that I've beenholding space for people.
Our story is not uncommon.
There are so many listeners outthere that possibly, just
possibly, they may feel alone intheir journey and that they
feel, like you know, they're anisolated case.
But, listeners, I'm here totell you that what Jennifer and
I are talking about is normal.
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It's more common right due towe are products of our
environment, due to we areproducts of our environment and
consequently, we have been wiredneurologically to try to live
up to everyone's expectations.
And then we come from a place ofwill, we come from a place of
push and that determination andwe think that we're in control
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of this journey.
And when we set that stage,it's a recipe, a recipe for
disaster, that somewhere,somehow, your physical body will
be sending you signals.
For Jennifer, it started off asmigraines at a very, very young
age.
For me, I had other issues,physically and emotionally, that
would show up consistently, andemotionally that would show up
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consistently, and the patternwas to go, go, go, go, go.
Do not pay attention to thosesignals coming from the body.
Override them with all of yourwill centers and push yourself
through it, and then the bodywill speak up again with another
message, and yet we stillignore it and it continues.
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That path or this behaviorcontinues until the body says oh
really, really, you're going totry to ignore me one more time.
I have news for you, lady.
It is not going to work for youanymore.
And then it shuts down, and thenwe wonder why we were betrayed
by our physical body.
The humor is not lost on meanymore.
Jennifer Loehding (16:23):
It and that's the body is so, so, so
intelligent yeah and well, and Ithink too because, like you
know, we talk about it in theseother areas.
I mean, we don't do anythinguntil crisis hits, right like.
So, when you talk about missingthe signs, we do.
We miss them because we thinkthat this over here is happening
and that's not a big deal onthis and the health obviously
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becomes a big deal for a lot ofpeople because you know they
have something happen wherethey're forced to have to make
change.
And so I think the big messagehere is really about paying
attention, right, like you'reteaching the self-awareness and
the intuitiveness so that youcan be self-aware and say you
know what, like I'm so much moreintuitive now, like it's so
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funny because I had somebody youknow, like I do, um, I pet sit
on the side.
My daughter and I have a littlepet sitting business and I do
some on the side and I really doit just because I love pets.
It's not, yeah, I can make goodmoney at it, but it's not
something that I go out and sayI'm making a lot of engagement
in a negative way when you'rearound an animal.
So it's a very healing thingfor me.
But I had one client thatsomebody called me about
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somebody and this particularclient, and they smoke in their
house and so I don't like to bearound cigarette smoke because I
know that when I do that itimpairs my body and I don't want
the aftermath I don't want.
I'm not around it, I choosethat.
So my point to this is that Imake the choices consciously
every day Now to be one, listento the signals, pay attention to
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what works for my body, whatdoes it, and that's not just
about, like, the food I eat orthe sleep.
It's even the people that I putin my space, the material that I
consume, the amount of energy Iput into something Like I.
Just the other day I put alittle clip out from an episode
where I was talking aboutinterrupting bad thinking, bad
patterns of thought, Like if Ifind myself going down a trail
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of negative thinking, meaningI'm starting to think worst case
scenario, like I'm going tointerrupt that.
We'll totally interrupt thatand I will start my mantra.
You know, today is a great dayto be brave.
You might as well start now.
You have the power to changeyour circumstances any day you
decide to let today be that day.
I will interrupt it because Iam not going to continue to
allow myself to keep doing thatpattern of thought.
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So it's all these little thingsthat we, that I feel like and
you do the same and hopefullywe're sending the messages is
just being aware of what you'redoing, but also listening for
the signals.
Dr. Mary Sanders (18:49):
Absolutely, absolutely the somatic wisdom
that resides within all of us.
Again, the intelligence is notlost on me holding space for
others to literally slow downtheir brainwaves in a state of
meditation.
Literally slow down thebrainwaves in a state of
meditation to go away from theactive overachieving over
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orchestrating, organizing,executing brain you know that
manages 110 things at once andthen to bring down the
brainwaves so that we can, wecan enter into this state in
which we can access thesubconscious and reprogram the
subconscious brain to overcomewhatever negative spiral,
thinking that one wasexperiencing 10 minutes
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beforehand.
And I do think that thecondition of the environment is
so fear-based, we are sofear-based that we really don't
allow ourselves to decompress.
And what I mean by that is toslow down long enough to meet
and greet the frequency ofMother Earth, that healing,
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organic nurturing, saturating,ever-loving energy that's
present to us 24-7, 365, andthat's the earth energy that
shimmers residence.
So very few of us are tappinginto a resource that's readily
available to us.
Jennifer Loehding (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
And you talk a lot aboutmeditation, which I love.
I studied transcendentalmeditation for a while, back
when my oldest daughter wasgoing through something, and we
actually did it together.
I won't tell you that she wastoo fond of it at the time
because she was really young,but I think I did it mostly for
me and I just I kept thinking inmy mind I wanted it, you know,
because she was also a highachiever, you know just to give
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her space to calm down.
But I believe in the power ofit.
And even now, sometimes I'lljust go, you know, and I tell
people, you know, like I'm a bigfan.
I don't get to do it often, butI love my little 20 minute rest
sessions where I will set my youknow phone and I only do that
so in case I fall asleep, so Idon't oversleep, because then I
don't want to get into that, butI just I'll be like I just,
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you're right, how do you do that?
I'm like I just close my eyesand I just pause and when I get
up I feel so much better and I'mready to go again and like I'm
in it, in the zone again, causeI've just had that, even if it's
not a full go to sleep, it'sjust a relaxing for me, just to
go kind of inward.
And so I'm all with you aboutthe pause and just, you know,
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and I was telling someone theother day, we were talking about
, just from a level of emotionalintelligence, right, because
we're so on the go that we'realways reacting right, like even
in a personal space dealingwith humans, we're always
reacting to everything right,the stigma, the people,
everything.
And so we were talking abouthow do you, you know, ask the
right questions of people andstuff, right?
And I was talking about, yeah,how, like, I'm working on
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pausing, just pausing, even ifyou know, if we're not just
talking about pausing for ourhealth, but even in our reaction
to how we deal with people,just pausing, giving ourselves
permission to go inward for amoment and we don't have to
react to every single thing thatcomes at us.
Dr. Mary Sanders (21:59):
So very true.
And again, that's reprogrammingour autonomic nervous system.
Yeah, yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (22:05):
I love it.
So what does it look like whena client comes to you?
You don't have to tell useverything, because we obviously
want them to call you right, wewant to give all the good deeds
here.
But when a client comes to you,what does this look like for
them?
Like, what are they goingthrough, in a sense of what's
the?
I mean, obviously we've talkedabout the pausing and going
intuitive and all of that, butwhat does this look like for
them coming to you?
Dr. Mary Sanders (22:26):
You know, I think that everybody has their
own motivating factor.
Okay, for you it was illness,for me it was.
It could be mental disturbances, it could be financial
disturbances, relationshipdisturbances or just not feeling
fulfilled within life.
But, as a medical intuitive,most people gravitate towards me
with some kind of physicaldysfunction, something
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dysregulated on some level.
So I'd like to, because we'vebeen talking about the
overachieving mentality andtalking about how we are
cultivated in a world that'sfear-based and it is so common
that I hold space for people andone of the first things that I
witnessed is the area ofdysregulation for lack of better
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words within the first energycenter located within the
physical body and that's locateddeep within the pelvis.
Now I'm going to shift theconversation from the physical,
but in my world I can't just go.
Physical is one level, mentalis another, energetic is another
, chemical is another.
It's all intertwined, it's allintegrative to me, but most
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people will come in with somekind of a fear-based whether and
again from any of the facets oflife that we were just talking
about.
Most of them are in sympatheticdominance, unable to regulate
the central nervous system,looking to find their purpose,
looking to find out how they'regoing to show up in the world
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and how they can deeply trust inthe universe, that they will
always be loved up in the worldand how they can deeply trust in
the universe that they willalways be loved, cared for and
nurtured.
And so the energy system that Ifind are most dysregulated is
the first energy center, locatedwithin the pelvic bowl, and so
the energy centers that I'mtalking about are known as
chakras, and for some of thelisteners you may be like, here
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she goes, she's off on the deepend again, but I'm here to share
with all of you that I comefrom a very heavy scientific
background, and so there is afoundation in which science is
proving the validity of what itis that I'm about ready to
discuss, and that an energycenter known as the chakra.
And for the sake of today'sconversation, we're only going
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to talk about the major sevenchakras and specifically in our
conversation, the first one,located deep within the pelvic
bowl.
The chakra has three primaryfunctions.
Number one to receiveinformation from our environment
.
What is our environment?
People, places, things, itemsthat influence our central
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nervous system, so everythingthat's outside of us.
The second thing that happensthis information from the body
or from the environment comes inthrough the subtle energetic
body that surrounds our physicalbody.
It makes impact with the energycenter, the energy center.
Then third step is toassimilate this information and
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express it out into theenvironment.
So you receive, assimilate andthen express and a lot happens
chemically, neurologically,chemically, neurologically,
emotionally, hormonally, in allof that, in that entire cycle.
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So as we receive energy orinformation from our environment
and we pick it up deep withinthe pelvic bowl, the adrenal
systems will be triggered.
And the adrenals you know we'renot going to get into a big
physiology, you know anatomy 101, but basically the adrenals are
responsible hormonally forproducing things that make you,
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things that want to speed you up.
So your adrenaline, yourepinephrine, your norepinephrine
, your DHEA, those things areall designed to pick up
hormonally for a fight or flightsituation.
So what ends up happening isthat there are chemicals that
are produced when you areprocessing the information
energetically from theenvironment.
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The hormones will be thenpicked up within the circulatory
system, it goes up into thebrain, it goes in and it gets
processed with neuropeptide andthen all of this information
surges back down from thephysical body and then you
express yourself out into theuniverse, okay, or out into the
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environment.
And so, when it comes to wantingto work through any dysfunction
, to lean into more trust moretrust that you are in the right
place at the right time with theright people, and if you're not
, then you get to trust thatthat circumstance or that
situation does exist for you,does exist for you.
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So it's knowing that you'resurrounded by the right people,
knowing that you will always becared for, regardless how much
money you make or whether or notyou're in alignment with your
purpose.
Prosperity.
All of that shows up within thefirst energy center, and that's
the most common energy centerthat I start with when I'm
holding space, when a newpatient or a new client comes
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into my practice.
Jennifer Loehding (27:48):
Sure, it's interesting, yeah, and I've
heard that.
I haven't heard it quite asdetailed as you put it.
So thank you for sharing all ofthat, because it definitely
makes sense.
I mean, I get it.
There was something else.
Oh well, when you were talkingabout people coming to you for
health reasons, because peoplewill ask me all the time like,
what do people like people whenI'm out networking, I'll say you
know, what do clients come toyou for?
And it's funny because you knowI have starter girls kind of
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set up as the business side ofthings.
It's like it's geared for,obviously, the female
entrepreneur.
How do we help them beholistically well so that they
can operate their businessesright?
But the premise here is mostlyon the business side, whereas
the work that I do on JenniferLoading is a lot more
wellness-based, because that'sthe stuff that I breathe, that's
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the stuff I wake up thinkingabout, go to bed thinking about
right.
And it's so funny because I'mthinking about your work and
it's like these people will cometo me because a lot of times
they're wanting to work on theirbusiness right and I can't go
to them in the beginning and say, okay, well, I know how we're
going to solve that.
But we got to do all this firstbecause they're going to look
at me and be like right, becauseI don't have a health crisis
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going on, so I have to,subliminally.
I always tell them.
What ends up happening is we'reteaming all that.
But usually what happens issomewhere around the fifth or
sixth week.
I call it sort of the likecoming to Jesus moment.
It's where we realize that Ihave talked a lot and they still
haven't made a move.
And you know why?
It's because we need to work ona lot of this stuff you're
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talking about.
We need to get back to workingon some things over here, and so
I've gotten with the lastclient that I took on.
I immediately I you know one ofthe things I told her right up
front.
As I said, we're going to beworking on the nervous system
like from the very beginning,because when we work on this, it
makes it you're going to bemore receptive to what we're
talking about over here.
You're going to come from adifferent place than if you're
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all high, strong over here.
We're trying to implement, putthings into your space.
You're not even going to wantto be receiving that information
, so it's not quite as advancedas what you're talking about,
but it's coming from that samespace of you know, I believe.
Yes, we've got to work on thesepieces over here for us so that
the information that I'mtalking about from a business
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perspective is receptive.
And I tell people that you know, like when they go to like
their financial planner or totheir marriage counselor or to
any of those places, my job isto hopefully give them the
ability to receive thatinformation.
Dr. Mary Sanders (30:10):
You know and it'll stick.
Jennifer Loehding (30:12):
Hopefully it's going to stick, instead of,
like you, go to the gym inJanuary and lead by February
mindset where we take somethingon but we're not really ready to
receive it, you know so.
Dr. Mary Sanders (30:23):
So, very true, I think that the tools of
energy medicine, from the sphereof where I come from and this
is very similar to what you'rejust saying, jennifer, in that
we want the information, thetools, to be incredibly
applicable.
If you can't manage your toolsright and your regulation tools
when you go to the grocery storeor when you're at Thanksgiving
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meal or making it through theholidays or being engaged in an
intimate relationship, thenwe're missing the day-to-day
activities that would betransformative transformative in
all the other facets of ourworld, transformative in all the
other facets of our world.
And so when you're teachingthem how to regulate their
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autonomic nervous system or todown-regulate, you know, if
they're too sympathetic,dominant, how do you do that?
Can you do it with your simplebreathing techniques, can you do
it with simple body movement,can you do it through meditation
or taking your silent, you know, 20 minutes in the afternoon.
Those are beautiful, beautifultools that we can use and
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resources that we should leaninto in order to see bigger
transformative shifts.
Jennifer Loehding (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
We got frozen there for aminute.
Both of us were frozen, sohopefully, hopefully, the
recording caught that We'll haveto like clip a little bit in
here to get us caught up today.
Yeah, no, I agree with you oneverything.
I think it's good stuff and Ithink the energy stuff is.
You know, I had a gal come onhere a long time ago and her
work I can't remember what itwas she was doing, but it was a
(31:57):
lot talking about how energycomes from a lot of the past
things that we experience, whichis a lot of what I talk about,
maybe not as much from theenergy perspective, but how we
hang on to belief systems andthings that we went through as
young children and they manifestin these very different ways in
the habits and patterns ofbehavior that we use.
(32:17):
But she was specifically talkingabout how the energy is tied to
that and it will show up in ourorgans and stuff like that,
like we harbor it, we hang on toit, right, like it stays in
there.
You know like if you have likewe're talking about with these
conditions that come up, youknow like there's this talk now
where they're.
You know they're saying that,like children who grew up like
in high stress homes and stuff,how they have like chronic
(32:39):
conditions later on, like hellothis, welcome to my world.
I feel like let's not have alot of stress when we're little
because you pay for it later.
You know it does show up inyour health.
So a lot of good stuff here,mary.
I love it.
Dr. Mary Sanders (32:58):
Yeah, you know , jennifer though I'm going to
take it one step further becauseI do think that people are
ready to start looking at thisand that is Jennifer.
You learned this conditionedresponse from somewhere.
Ok, and, and again, you know,maybe you learned it from your
mother, maybe you learned itfrom your father, but if you
learned it from your mother, thesame question applies to her
(33:18):
when does she learn it?
And then it could be just afamilial thing, ancestral, or it
could be something that wasculturally embedded within the
makeup.
And so what we find is that andthe field of epigenetics is so
strong that we, literally,genetically, we inherit right,
our DNA is made up of all of ourancestors, and so we, as
(33:43):
beautiful humans residing withinour beautiful spirits, residing
within our human home, have theability to have a genetic
expression, maybe something youknow that we don't want to align
with, a conditioned responsethat's been within our families
for generations.
We don't have to express thatgene.
We can learn how to align to adifferent genetic makeup that's
(34:06):
within us as well, and so youcan make those changes, you can
do the healing which you havebeen, and that's going to affect
your daughter and that's goingto affect your daughter's
daughter and your daughter's andit just goes down.
So healing is not linear as faras time is concerned.
So that's so powerful when youthink about it from a quantum
(34:26):
perspective.
And that's really where quantumscience whether it be quantum
neurology, quantum biology, thatis what it is telling us is
that we have more ability, wecan empower ourselves to take
control of our own healingjourney and how we choose to
genetically show up.
Jennifer Loehding (34:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff.
I love that.
Yeah, I think I it's funny how,when you guys talk, I have
guests come on.
So I start thinking about otherguests and the conversations
that they came on here becausewe had talked to.
I had somebody come on here onetime.
Another story talked about moneyand we were talking about how
money beliefs are generational,like they're in your DNA and you
and you carry out thesepatterns and behaviors wrapped
(35:09):
around money, and it's really inalignment with what you're
talking about and so I thinkthere's it goes deeper than us
saying like great generationalcurses.
Right, it's such a deep level,right, when we talk about this,
because it's not just aboutrecognizing something that you
didn't like, it's really aboutyou healing because it has such
a bigger impact on down right,like intuitively and stuff.
(35:33):
And so, yeah, I hope I alwayssay you know, my kids are adults
now, but I hope that, you know,when I had my oldest she's now
gonna be 29.
And I wasn't this way,obviously, when they were all
born, but I hope that as theyhave been growing, they've been
watching this journey andpicking up on some of that in
their own processes and in theirjourney as well, and I'm sure
(35:55):
you would defy all natural lawsfor them not to be recognizing
the healing and thetransformation that's happening
within you.
Yeah, and I love the work thatyou're doing because I think
it's important and I think it'sfun when we get, you know, have
these conversations on StarterGirls, because we spend a lot of
time, you know, talking aboutleadership and entrepreneurship
and how to succeed at life.
But really, this is afoundation.
(36:17):
This is if you want to trulysucceed in life.
Climbing a corporate ladder oryour own ladder, whatever is not
going to fulfill you, it's notgoing to be that it may
temporarily get you to happiness, but to truly, in my mind, feel
successful and feel really good.
It's a whole approach, it's notjust one thing, it's this whole
approach and it really startswith us.
(36:38):
It starts with us going inwardand being intuitive and pause.
And I love the big thing herewe talked about like really just
pausing, making space for this,going inward, because there's
something really I love.
I you know it's hard because weget so busy and we, you know,
and I like the other day I wastalking to a client and she's
like, oh my gosh, I'm so farbehind.
And I'm like, listen, if you doanything, give yourself just a
(36:59):
few minutes.
Like it will make all thedifference just to take a few
minutes and do like I have toolsand techniques that she's
working on.
But just if it's just fiveminutes, take that time because
it will make all the differencein what you're trying to do for
the rest of the day.
And I know for me, and I'm sureyou're the same way, that just
those little minutes that Iallow for myself every day, I
(37:21):
mean it can transform my entireday.
Dr. Mary Sanders (37:25):
You know, I agree, my meditation practice
was my most favorite part of theday.
Jennifer Loehding (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, I love that, I love that.
So for somebody maybe we'vebeen talking about pausing and
going intuitive and you've saidso many great things.
I mean, what is something wecould give, something, you know
something we can lean intosomebody to say how can they
start today, maybe just a littlesomething they can do for
themselves, to maybe hold spacefor themselves?
Dr. Mary Sanders (37:52):
Yeah, you know when, when you ask that
question, there are severaldifferent polyvagal exercises
that I think are just really sosimple, so easy and accessible
for people.
I really do.
I find the power of boxbreathing to be incredibly
powerful and it's simple.
It's so simple and for thoselisteners who are not familiar
(38:13):
with box breathing, just thinkabout your typical square.
You know each side is equal inlength, and so you do the same
thing with your breath.
And so if you do an inhalationfor a count of six, then you
hold your breath for a count ofsix, and then you exhale for a
count of six, then you hold yourbreath for a count of six, and
(38:35):
so then you would go through.
Let's say, you know six seemsto be the magic number, and so
then you would go through.
Let's say you know six seems tobe the magic number, you would
(39:01):
go through a cycle of six boxesand then you, where you're going
to be more engaged in betterunderstanding and coming from a
more regulated state, which is,you know, everybody listening
would agree that that's 10 timesmore healthy, 10 times more
productive.
It's all those things that wewant it to be.
So just a simple exercise suchas box.
Breathing will shift theneurology.
Jennifer Loehding (39:21):
And I will attest to the box breathing
because I use it for myselfsometimes.
And yes, it's hard when youfirst start to do it because
you're so used to just breathingand now all of a sudden you're
thinking about your breathing.
Right, it's a different thing.
But once you kind of get in andyou do it, it's like I remember
I did some.
I haven't done it recently, butI did one not too long ago.
And it's like I remember I didsome.
I haven't done it recently, butI did one not too long ago.
And it was pretty intense atthe beginning.
(39:41):
It was like I was really, andthen I could feel myself just
slowly, as I'm doing it, calm,you know, coming down, coming
down, coming down, so a lot oflike I told you the nervous
system training.
I studied that I was in thekind of in the middle of coming
out of this second condition,but I was right in the heat of
it and it was in the thing.
When you're dealing with achronic condition, as you know,
because you're dealing withpatients like that, when you're
(40:02):
not getting better, there'sanxiety because you're not
getting better.
So it's like that vicious cycle, that it's a loop you get
caught in which messes yournervous system up completely,
because you're caught in thisfight or flight loop and you
can't get out.
So, as you're not gettingbetter, you're panicking because
you're not getting better.
Well, you're not getting better.
Because you're panicking,you're not getting better, and
so and I am not one to playvictim very well, I don't like
(40:26):
being sick, and so if I'm sick,I'm really sick, like I'm sick.
And there was a while there Ispent when, right after I got
diagnosed, they did a procedureand I spent 18 months pretty
much struggling.
I couldn't eat, I was having ahard time and this my, my
anxiety was really high Turnedout that I also, in the middle
of that, found out I had lowiron and had to do iron infusion
(40:47):
, so I had a lot going on.
So I was having panic attacksbecause my iron was messed up
and then I was having thisanxiety, and so that's when I
really leaned into um, that'swhen I ended up getting
certified for the nervous system, because I went into that as a
means to really just help try tocalm myself down during this
time.
And that box breathing wasinstrumental during that period
(41:07):
because it really like I wouldfeel myself getting ready to
have that panic attack and I'mlike, ok, we're going to go do
some box breathing.
Today, you know, thankfully I'mnot having, we're much calmer
now.
So about having those panicattacks and where health is
doing a lot better, but it isit's a vicious cycle.
You get into the loop, and so Ithink what you're doing is so
important, because it is abouthow do we break that cycle and
(41:29):
get out of that so that we cancalm down and you just show up,
like we've talked about in thiswhole episode.
You just show up differently.
I know it's helped metremendously.
Dr. Mary Sanders (41:40):
Yeah, just show up differently.
I know it's helped metremendously.
Yeah, I think the main takeawayfor today's conversation is to
empower the listeners.
You really do have greatercontrol than what we may have
been conditionally taught.
So, jennifer's, your body isadaptable it is.
Your brain can mold and createnew neuronal pathways.
(42:06):
Hormonally, you can regulate,you can shift your central
nervous system.
I mean, we are.
So.
Our physical bodies are themost amazingly engineered
organism out there, and I'vebeen studying the human body for
over 35 years and let me tellyou something there isn't a day
(42:27):
in which the body doesn't ceaseto amaze me.
Jennifer Loehding (42:30):
It's amazing, Amazing.
Well, you're doing good work.
I love it and I'm glad we gotto have this conversation.
I never know where these aregoing to go.
It's so funny because I lovethe health and wellness space, I
love talking and I think ourstories are testaments.
I think they really help otherpeople know that, like you
mentioned, they're not alone.
These are common threads Anxiety, this push to need for hustle,
culture all of this stuff is outthere and you know, the big
(42:51):
thing is, yeah, pay attention,you don't want to have.
You know.
I would say that I feel likeI've been given these things for
a reason, because one, it'staught me empathy and compassion
, right For others, and but italso, I think, it gave me a
voice.
I think it's allowed me to beable to do this and to have
these conversations with peoplelike you, but also to be able to
impart this stuff on others andsay, hey, look, you don't have
(43:13):
to wait till you have a majorcrisis in your life to to be
into it, to ever to take thattime.
Do it so you don't have to.
Right, Like, hopefully youdon't have to, you know, because
I always say I never wish thesethings on anybody, but I do
feel grateful that that uh one.
They've taught me things andthey've given me a voice to
(43:33):
share and help other people inthe in the journey.
So I admire your work.
I'm glad that you figured outyour calling and your purpose
and your passion and you linedall the things so that you could
talk about it and share withthe world what you need to share
.
Dr. Mary Sanders (43:49):
Thank you, Thank you.
My purpose is that if I canshare my knowledge and wisdom to
you know, spare somebody elseto School of Hard Knocks, then
that's half the battle, right.
Jennifer Loehding (43:59):
Yeah, school of hard knocks, right, right, I
know I want my kids.
You know they're all youngadults now and I watch them and
it's so crazy how we talk aboutthose generational things and
I'll be like, how are they doingthat thing that I did at that
age, when I'm not even doingthat thing anymore?
It's like is it in the D?
It's in the DNA, and I'mwatching him and I'm like
(44:20):
anymore, it's like is it in theD, it's in the DNA, and I'm
watching him and I'm like, andI'm talking like we're
stubbornness, just purestubbornness, and having to do
things the hard way.
And I'm just like all three ofthem, all three of them, and I'm
like you know, we really don'tneed to make life hard.
Okay, like, just don't follow mylead, we don't need to do all
this, because I promise you thatif you continue down that path,
(44:40):
you're going to wake up one dayand you might be in my shoes.
You don't?
Let's just not do this, let'snot.
You know, that's part of myother part is like how can I
just keep imparting this intothere?
And hopefully, you know, theylisten to these episodes
sometimes and they listen to theclips and they like them every
now and then and I keep thinkingthey're going to, they're
picking up on it, you know.
So I think it's, it's goodconversation and hopefully we're
(45:03):
making a difference in theworld.
So Absolutely.
So, mary, yeah, if our audiencewants to get in touch with you
cause I'm hopeful that somebodylistening to this today may say
you know what, like I want to Iwant to follow Dr Mary Sanders.
I want to get in touch with her.
I want to learn more about herwork, or maybe they need some
help.
Where do we want to send them?
Dr. Mary Sanders (45:21):
You know, I would like to send everybody who
may be just curious to mywebsite, and that is
wwwdrmarysandercom.
It's a living breathingorganism, I kid you not.
It stays current with all myofferings, whether it be my
somatic healing, my groupenvironment or one-on-ones, or
the podcast, or upcoming classes, my toolbox classes or
(45:45):
international retreats.
All that information is on thewebsite.
But I think the thing that Ilike about the website the most
is that it gives you anopportunity to create a
discovery call, and that is justan opportunity for you to
decide one way or another.
If there is a resonance, afrequency in which you know, you
feel that you're safe, you'reheard and you feel understood,
(46:09):
then that might be a conduciveenvironment for healing.
So take advantage of thediscovery calls.
Jennifer Loehding (46:15):
Yeah, and real quick, tell our listeners a
little bit about your podcastso they know, because they may
want to plug in and listen tothat.
Dr. Mary Sanders (46:22):
The podcast name is Energy Medicine.
We talk about all things thatalign the mind, body and spirit,
and so, for the most part, wehave practitioners credential
practitioners who come in.
We're holding the space for youknow the hardcore science that
has been proven, and then wealso know that there are
sciences that have yet to beproven in the healing world, and
(46:44):
that we know that, as apractitioner, there's a big old
pregnant pause.
You know that the patientsrespond to our modalities or our
techniques, but we may not beable to scientifically say, yes,
this has been proven to beeffective.
So I'm holding space for peopleto understand that healing, the
empowerment, comes from within,and to educate people about
(47:07):
various different modalities.
Jennifer Loehding (47:10):
I love it.
I have to tune in and check itout.
I love it.
So you're doing amazing thingsand I admire your work and I
want to you know, I guess say toyou congratulations on finding
you know your space and wish youcontinued success in what
you're doing.
Dr. Mary Sanders (47:24):
Thank, you and Jennifer.
The same goes to you.
I feel the positive intent inwhich you're holding space for
others and I just think thatthat's just remarkable.
So applying all of your life,learn lessons and sharing it so
openly with others, I think, isthe big deal.
Jennifer Loehding (47:40):
Thank you so much, appreciate that.
Well, of course, what we'll dohere is we'll make sure that
when we get these show notes puttogether, we will get your
website in there and, you know,of course, get you tagged in all
the right places so that ourpeople can find you.
And I do want to say to thelisteners of course we
appreciate you and are gratefulfor you every day and of course
I hope you found this episodeboth inspiring and informative.
(48:01):
Reach out to Dr Mary Sanders ifyou need her help or just want
some guidance, or to follow herpodcast, whatever you feel you
need to do, and then, on our end, you know what to do.
All the things like share,subscribe, comment, so we can
keep sharing all this fabulouscontent with you.
And, as I always say, in orderto live the extraordinary, you
(48:21):
must start, and every startbegins with a decision.
You guys, take care, be safe,be kind to one another and we
will see you next time.
Thank you.
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