March 18, 2026 • 35 mins
It is 2026 Topps Heritage release day! We give our thoughts and insights into the product. There is a lot to get into, as this is not our favorite product but is there still fun to be had with it? We dive deep into what you can look forward to and what cards and players you should be looking for.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Hello and welcome to Talking Cards with Grant Salami
and the Duke.
I am the Duke, along here withmy co-host Grant Salami.
Bird.
How's it going, Bert?
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Yeah, it's doing good.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
It's uh Heritage Eve.
Yes it is.
And by the time we look into itto us, this will be Heritage
Day.
And it's a good day.
It's not the best day, but Ican't complain about a new
product rules.
I will complain a little bit,but you'll you'll hear that in
our thoughts.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
We don't have pack odds yet, so I can complain
about that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Yeah, for sure.
And I have other things aboutHeritage to complain about, but
at the end of the day, you knowwhat you're getting.
Nothing has really changed toomuch.
So I can't complain too muchbecause it's nothing unexpected.
There are some things that thatI do and don't like about this
product for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yeah, oh yeah.
It's a it's a niche product,isn't it?
It always is.
And there's some very dedicatedset collectors out there that
just worship heritage and that'sall they collect.
And that's not your when youlook at like the ultra modern,
the fanatics effect andeverything that we're doing
around breaking uh heritageisn't the first product that
comes up.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Yeah, to go from Bowman's best to heritage.
They are two pretty muchopposite sides of the spectrum.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Yeah, well said.
It's very true.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
There will be three SKUs for Bowman Heritage.
We will have Hobby, of course,and for retail, we will have
Mega and Blasters.
We will focus as always on thehobby aspect of it.
It's going to be$119.99 for ahobby box.
There will be 12 boxes per casefor those of you getting into
breaks.
It is something that youdefinitely want to know.
And the release date is today,as of the time that you're here
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in this episode, March 18th.
How are we feeling about theprice?
SPEAKER_01 (01:46):
Feeling pretty good about$120.
If you can get it at that price,I think these boxes will be
safely above that for a while.
I think right now on secondary,they're about$150 the day before
release.
And uh a lot of people lookingto buy it on DealerNet and
things like that too.
So folks are folks are willingto pay$150 a box plus, at least
for release day.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Yeah.
$120 is not a bad price for ahobby box of anything right now.
Even though there's not aguaranteed auto, you have the
typical that you see in TopSeries One and Heritage and
Flagship.
You are guaranteed a relic or anauto.
And the way that I view relicsin this product and most
products like this for hobby ispretty much you pull a relic in
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it and it's like a sorry mist.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Maybe in the collection relics too, yeah.
I don't know.
The design this year is itthey're always kind of bland,
aren't they?
Those clubhouse collectionrelics.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yeah, they're really nothing special.
You're really not going to findthe most amazing relics in
there.
There's also just not enoughroom.
It's not a jumbo relic, it'sjust a small little thing.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
It's it's like the meaningful material in flagship,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Even if you get Otani or a rookie relic, you
know, it's Yeah.
That's about it.
All right, so what you willexpect in a hobby box is as we
just said, one auto or memorycard, three inserts, eight base
short prints, eight dark graybordered base parallels, chrome
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variations, SP or numberedparallels, eight total, and
chrome, chrome light bluesparkle parallels eight.
That's what you can expect outof a hobby box.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Do you like those light blue sparkles?
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
I don't mind them.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
Yeah, they when did they first come out?
Was it 2023 they first came out?
I want to say.
And they've been kind of astaple since.
But they they actually do prettywell, I think, for how common
they are.
They're not very rare, but Ithink like if you get a gr a
graded version of a top rookie,like those actually tend to sell
decently for heritage.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
And when they use the term SP and base SP, that's
used very loosely.
Like I said, there's gonna beeight per box.
So it's not really short printedas I would define it, but for
heritage, it's just obviouslyless common than a common, but
nothing crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
High number SPs.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah.
Yeah, those are uh those are setcollectors cards.
Get up on eBay, have the setcollectors buy them or buy them
early.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
If you look at the checklist though, I don't even
think they are usually they dolike one through 400 and then
400 through 408 or 401 through480 is the SPs, but the SPs are
just randomly distributedthroughout the numbering.
So it's gonna be hard to figureout which was an SP.
Usually you can say, oh, okay,any number over 400 is short
printed, but not this timearound.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
Yeah, I haven't I haven't seen any images of the
backs of the cards yet, butsometimes they make it harder to
see what's a variation thanother times.
It just depends on the releaseand which ones they decide to
mark and where they decide tomark it.
Usually it's around the cardnumber on the back.
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
I was able to see one of the backs of the card,
and yeah, it's it is there, notfor the numbered as in just
where it's a different numbervariation SP, but like the
cartoon variations and stufflike that, you'll still see like
image or it'll say something.
It's still not very easy to see,but it is there.
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All right, so visually, thisyear they are going with the
1977 tops design, vintage,throwback, pretty standard, not
bad, not great.
When when I think of heritageand what I want to see visually,
the only thing that I can seeand look at and say, wow, that
is a sick card, is when you getinto the red ink autos.
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That is when I could say, okay,I would rather have this auto
over an auto from most otherproducts.
That's the only thing thatstrikes me visually when we when
it comes to heritage.
This is a this is very much apersonal thing, as in you can
have a completely differentopinion on it and it's totally,
totally valid.
But for me, it just doesn't doit for me.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
Yeah, I think for me the refractors always really pop
in heritage.
I think back to a card that Iowned on multiple occasions and
I sold on multiple occasionsthat I should have just held,
but like a Shohei Otani HotboxPurple Refractor out of uh 2018
is rookie year.
That card, those cards just pop.
And I think one of the reasonswhy they pop so much is because
the the regular Heritage basecard is so bland on the paper at
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finish, and it's not, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
But then it doesn't feel like heritage to me anymore
at that point.
Like I get it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Especially the light blue sparkles and stuff like
that.
Like, that's pretty bright andcolorful and too much for me.
It's not my favorite.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So the base checklist is 400 players, huge
checklists.
That is normal for this product.
There are five different basepaper parallels, and then when
you get to chrome, there are 12different chrome parallels.
So, of course, huge checklists.
You're gonna have all the majorrookies that we we are going to
have all the major rookies thatwe've seen in series one.
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Just quickly rifling a few offJack Keggs, Roman Anthony, Nolan
McLean, Cam Schlittler, Savage,Bryce Eldridge.
I put him there twice for somereason.
So I probably was missingsomeone.
Uh, Mizrowski, Visayo, ChaseBurns, Bubba Chandler, anyone
that you wanted to throw outthere?
This was just my glance at itand the names that I saw.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
No, but you know what I'm thinking about, Juice,
is do you think Topps sent theWBC or or USA baseball like some
grease payments to get Roman onthe roster?
Because what a great situationfor Topps to be in.
Imagine, you know, these Romanis so hyped right now.
And I think for good reason he'san amazing player, but the WBC
has helped him quite a bit too.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
I think, you know, it's always a lot of these
products are gonna revolvearound the number one rookie
chase.
Roman very clearly is the numberone rookie chase, and him
performing like this in the WBC,Topps has got to be sitting back
and saying, this is great.
Like he he's gonna be able tocarry our 26 products.
Very similar, actually, to JamesWood last year, who came out the
gates really hot in April andMay.
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Topps was fortuitous to havethat happen.
It doesn't always happen thatway.
Look at 2021.
SPEAKER_00 (07:51):
You know what they could have really liked if um
Italy made the championship andyou had Jack Keggs, Roman
Anthony, and then they were bothjust going off.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Ball too, kegs, both in spring training and the WBC.
Um, it's a it's a really nicerookie class, I think.
You know, the pitching depth isfantastic.
You have uh a number of guysthat could be aces, and then
Roman and Jack at the top forhitters is solid.
I think we're the 26th rookieclass, and we'll talk about this
for a lot of product releaseswhere it lacks is I think
hitting depth.
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But yeah, it seems like they puteverybody in heritage that they
should have.
No surprises.
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
Three of those names that I said, I believe.
I think the pitchers outnumberedthe hitters, which is very rare
to see for the chases forrookies.
The variations.
So we were talking about thisbefore, they're usually found by
an indicator on the back sayingwhich one it can be very hard to
spot.
They are definitely there, notfor every variation necessarily.
So when you get this product, gothrough all your cards with a
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fine tooth comb and check theback.
It's usually on the same linethat the number is inside the
baseball, usually somewherealong that line.
I believe that's what I saw inthe image that I saw today.
Um, it'll say like image orcartoon or logo or or something,
but don't just do this for cardsthat you rip yourself, do it for
breaks because breakers can justas easily miss this.
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Some of them won't go throughand look for it.
Yeah.
And if even if they do, ifthey're if it's a full case,
that's a lot of cards to be ableto.
It's it's forgivable.
This is forgivable as long asit's all base ship, which for
this product you have to do.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
100%.
Yeah, I was gonna say the samething.
Don't no matter how reputableyour breaker is, you know, it's
very tough to sort out some ofthose variations.
I wouldn't trust anybody withthat.
SPEAKER_00 (09:35):
So the variations that we have are the all-star
logo variations, the imagevariations, alternate banner
variations, throwback jerseyvariation, and the black and
white image variation.
That one you can probably spot.
If not, you gotta have your eyeschecked.
But yeah, that one you should begood with.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
The nickname variations for me are always the
most fun.
And I'm very happy to see CalRaleigh in the subset, Big
Dumper.
Like that'll be his first timehaving a big dumper card, I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
Yeah, this is this, the variations, definitely one
of the highlights of thisproduct, actually.
I know he mentioned the red inkas the only thing I like, but I
was exaggerating a little bit.
The variations can be very fun.
I have a Juan Soto childishBambino.
That's one of my favorite cards.
That's a PC card forever.
And yeah, so these variationscan be a lot of fun.
Some of them, though, uh it'sjust I'd rather just get them to
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a set collector and resell themat the back.
Because I don't I don't careabout the cartoon on the back
being different.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
I know, yeah.
Those ones don't do it for me.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Last year they had the upside down bat variations,
and again, not something that Idon't care about something being
different on the back, really.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
No, me neither.
Yeah.
Um, some of these nicknames areactually pretty good, but like
but Bobby Baseball, that's agood one.
I love seeing that.
I've never heard Jonathanreferred to as the Canadian
canon.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:49):
But you have that.
There's another Canada guy inhere who gets a Canada
reference.
That's Josh Naylor.
His says just matter?
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (10:58):
It says the Mississauga Masher.
Okay.
Which as a Mariners fan, Inobody calls him that.
We call him the big grumper.
That would have been even betterbecause he's always got that
serious look on his face, andhe's pleasantly plump, just like
Cal is.
Anyways.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Yeah, these are definitely fun.
They are hard to hit though.
Uh, you you don't see a ton ofthese.
SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
And the list of guys for the nickname variation,
there's only 10 cards.
SPEAKER_01 (11:21):
Yeah, they're gonna be very rare.
Although there's quite a few oneBay already, and it's just the
day before release, but I know alot of people got their
pre-orders early.
SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Yeah.
Next up, we have the reliccards, and again, I don't want
to spend too much time on thesebecause you don't want to spend
too much time on it.
You don't want to really see it.
It's a disappointment to hitone.
It's a sorry missed.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
There the total checklist is 98 guys from the
clubhouse collection relics.
Real one relics is 50 cards.
Yeah, flashback relics, which iswhat they sound like.
It's for guys from the past.
Clubhouse collection dual playerrelics, 15 cards, and uh five
cards for the what is it, tripleor quad?
SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, this is one of those things where
it's like, even if you get likethe coolest thing that you could
get here is like a hand numberedone.
Like out of 77, hand numbered.
But even at that, like they'rejust not they're just not the
coolest cards, are they?
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
What I'm really hoping on, I know we don't have
the odds yet, but do youremember Heritage High Number
this past year?
How the autographs, how muchthey came out along with the red
ink.
I'm really hoping that our oddskeep us in that direction.
I don't think it will be forthis.
I think it will be more for highheritage again, heritage high
number.
Yeah, but I can hope.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
It was 24 heritage high number where they made that
shift to start inserting moreautographs in, and a lot of it
had to do with some of thechanges that they made in the
way that they built out theproduct and the checklist.
But that did carry over in a 25heritage high number.
And I think um, I hope they Ihope they continue to make the
autos a little bit moreprevalent than they did in years
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past.
Like I think four or five autosa case, a 12 box case is a good
is a good amount.
You know, traditionally in thepast heritage might have only
been like three.
I was gonna say like six autosin a case, but I've I've seen a
lot of openings already wherepeople have opened six boxes and
not hit one auto.
SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, seal cases is the way togo on this, I think.
But four four autos per case isis the number that you want to
be seeing.
If it starts to be less thanthat, it's gonna be really tough
on brakes.
It already is tough enough.
But if you see less than fourautos a case, just typically,
yeah, I'm staying even furtheraway from this than I'm gonna
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talk about later.
But as far as where we're at forthe autos, it is 114 car
checklists.
These are the real one autos.
This is the chase of theproduct, this is what you want
to see, this is why you'rebuying these hobby boxes for the
best chance to hit these.
They have such a clean look,they are super sought after, you
know, not like their typicallike flagship rookies, but a lot
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of people, this is really theirniche of what they go after.
So you can certainly get apremium for it.
And remember, this is also onlythe second 2026 release of the
year.
You have opening day rightaround the corner.
So, yeah, you can really flipthis around pretty quickly, but
they are hard to hit.
It's a 114-card checklist.
So it is a deep checklist whereyou don't have a ton of guys
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that you are going to love.
You do have Judge and Otaniautos on the checklist.
You have a lot of old schoolguys.
The Ken Griffey Senior trap isback.
A lot of notable vets andretired guys, uh Trout, Skeens,
Nick Kurtz, Yamamoto, VladdyJr., Tatish Jr., your rookies,
you have Jack Keggs, RomanAnthony, McLean, Bisayo,
Mizarowski.
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And just to go back to thatJudge and Otani point, because I
think we point this out likeevery week that we talk about
Judge and Otani having autos init, they don't each have a one
in 114 chance of their autocoming out.
All things are not createdequal.
I created a PSA and I posted itto all of our socials, letting
everyone know to not expect thatthis is another case of that.
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We could be pleasantlysurprised, but we won't be.
SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
You hope that like those big names, though, you
know, Judge and Judge and Otaniat least sign their 77 red inks.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
And I think that's usually the case.
Now, whether or not Topps putsall of those red ink autos into
packs is also another question.
Yeah.
It wouldn't surprise me, right,if Otani has fewer blue ink
autos than he has red ink autos.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
Or if he doesn't have how do you feel about this
auto checklist?
What do you think about theseautos in this?
SPEAKER_01 (15:33):
I think it's okay.
I'm a bit disappointed with thelegend autos, honestly, just
looking through it.
Like a guy that you oftentimessee in the real one autographs
checklist is Nolan Ryan.
No Nolan Ryan this year.
That's a bit of adisappointment.
No Ken Griffey Jr., no Barry, noBarry Bonds.
Yeah, so the legends to me are alittle bit disappointing.
I think it's good that they putJudge and Otani in there, like
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you said.
And it also seems like they theyhit on all the top rookies, too.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
It's very easy if anyone wants to see what legends
are on there.
It's very easy to look at thechecklist because all the
legends are 77 RO and then Dash.
So they're right at the top ofthe checklist, at least when you
look at Beckett.
Yeah, you got Reggie Jackson,George Brett, Andre Dawson, Mike
Schmidt.
So, you know, those guys wherethey are legends, but their
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autos, money-wise, if that'swhat you're looking at and
that's how you determine thevalue of a card, nothing
special.
SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
Right.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
The insert autos, though, are pretty cool.
And we got the duel and thequad.
You know, these are, of course,we're gonna assume pretty rare.
You do have Nolan Ryan on aduel.
Yeah, that that would be anawesome hit.
It seems like they're tying oneold school guy with one new guy,
Roman Anthony and Fred Lynn fromthe Red Sox, Jack Keggs and
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George Brett, which is seems tobe a pretty common dual auto
that they really like to do.
But how many legends does Caseyhave?
And then you have the quadautos.
There's just three cards herefor the Royals, the Red Sox, and
the Brewers.
What is cool this year?
I don't know if you saw this,they have the expansion
autographs.
Were you able to check that out?
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
The expansion autographs.
The uh Blue Jays and theMariners for 77.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
Yeah.
And they do have red ink.
Yeah, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
No players that I know.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of, even as a big time
Mariners fan, I do not recognizeany of those names, those three
names.
Glenn Abbott, Gary Wheelock,Steve Braun.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
There are gonna be some old school collectors,
though, that are gonna bedrooling over these cards,
though.
I bet there are gonna be a bunchof people though, when they hit
these, they're gonna say, Whothe hell is this guy?
They're not even gonna know whatthey hit.
And then they're gonna lookonline and be like, oh,
actually, it goes for for adecent amount.
Yeah.
Because I don't recognize thesenames.
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Who knows if they ever reallysign cards?
I'm sure there's a reason forit.
There's not really demand, butyeah.
Next up, we have the Turn Backthe Clock autos.
This checklist is excellent.
It's just seven cards.
Cat.
SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
There's Barry.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
There's Barry.
There's Hotani.
Honestly, even as a Mets fan, Igotta say the worst auto on this
checklist has to be Mike Piazza.
I think I think our two uhhometown guys are the worst
autos on the checklist.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Felix and Piazza.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
King Felix and Mike Piazza arethe two worst, but honestly, you
can do a lot worse than that.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
What's those would be extremely rare?
SPEAKER_00 (18:24):
Yeah.
Next up, we have the chromeautographs.
This is 13 cards, very solidguys.
You have four differentparallels.
You have gold border, orangeborder, red border, and
superfractor.
And I'm just assuming these aregoing to look gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
I've been, I was just scrolling through eBay.
Because my first question when Ilook at this is are there base
versions, right?
Of course, you get the golds outof 50, orange out of 25, red out
of five, superfractor one ofone, but are there base
versions?
And it appears that there are.
I've seen a Bubba Chandler and aColson Montgomery Refractor
Auto.
They're unnumbered.
That's going to be one whereprobably some of these guys
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signed a lot more than some ofthese other guys.
But that checklist is awesome.
Very similar to Stadium Club,right?
Stadium Club, this pastrendition, introduced Refractor
on card autos for the firsttime.
Heritage, it was, I think, lastyear that they introduced the
Chrome and Refractor autos forthe first time on card.
Immediately, these become one ofthe biggest chase cards, I
think, for any particularrookie.
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I'm looking at the Roman AnthonyGold Auto.
It's up on eBay for 6,000.
What an unbelievable lookingcard.
Just awesome.
Huge fan of these.
I think because there are so fewof them and they don't make too
many parallels of them, they'reeven more valuable.
But the big question is, howoften are they going to be
inserted in packs?
I think they're going to bereally hard hits.
We don't have we don't have packodds or anything like that, but
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it wouldn't surprise me if youonly find a Chrome auto or any
of the parallels like one infive to ten cases.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Yeah, I I agree for sure.
Yeah, they are going to be supertough to hit.
And they print a ton of thisstuff.
Because remember, you also hadthe retail of the mega boxes and
the blasters, which is great,because I I think that is, I
think this is a good product forretail.
But these are going to be inretail somewhat.
So it's also going to dilutethis a little bit as well.
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
That's what I honestly.
When I when I go to open up thetwo cases of Heritage Tomorrow
in our PYT that we're running,I'm just hoping that we pull a
nice chrome auto.
I'm not really expecting to intwo cases, but if we do, I'm
going to be very happy.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Maybe a red ink.
A red ink in two cases isn'tcrazy, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah.
One or the other, I think I'd behappy with.
I'd be I'd be ecstatic with theChrome auto though.
SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
With the Chrome, you know that it's gonna, it's gonna
be something nice.
SPEAKER_01 (20:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
So yeah, that there won't be any disappointment with
any of these names that you hit.
Like there are definitely somethat are better than the others,
but yeah, it's it's a very solidchecklist.
I I'm glad that when they dosomething that's this rare like
that, I really like it when theydon't include like a throwaway
name to just puff up thechecklist a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (20:52):
Yep, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
Next we have Clubhouse Collection Autograph
Relics.
This is 23 cards.
These are the patches along withthe auto.
Solid checklist, again, just I'dhonestly I'd rather have just a
real one auto over this.
I I just feel like it makes thecar too busy on a product like
this.
But with these names, I can'tcomplain about pretty much any
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of these autos that I get.
How do you feel about this?
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
This might be one of those cards too that depending
on which player, they'reprobably gonna be hand numbered
to different numbers too.
So a lot of it will depend onthe rarity.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yeah, you got uh Paul Skeens, Lottie Jr., you got
some, you got Mike Trout, noOtani on this.
Yeah, you got some youdefinitely got some nice names.
You got some legends, you gotJohnny Bench, Steve Carlton,
some rookies, you have JackKeggs.
Yeah, it's a solid checklist,but yeah.
Dual autograph relics.
There's only two different cardsJudge and Reggie Jackson,
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Jackson Jurio, and Robin Yao.
Again, you can't complain if youhit one, but those are gonna be
stupidly rare.
Like, why even have it on thechecklist when you're just gonna
have two cards?
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
Yeah, I don't know.
It feels like if you're onlygonna have two, like it feels a
little underwhelming that thoseare the two that.
Put in.
Judge and Reggie is cool.
Churio and Youth leaves a littlebit to be desired.
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
Yeah, for sure.
Flashback auto relics.
These are just old school guys.
Uh, auto relics.
You got just six names.
Yes Shremsky, George Brett, MikeSchmidt, Reggie Jackson, Robin
Yaount, Steve Carlton.
And really not worth spendingmuch more time on that.
There was Once a Man AutographRelics.
This is six cards.
It does have, yeah, these arerelics.
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Again, pretty similarchecklists.
Carlton Fist, George Brett, MikeSchmidt, Reggie Jackson, Robin
Yount, Steve Carlton.
These seem like they could bepretty cool.
I think this is the first yearthey're doing them, so I'm just
interested to see what they looklike.
But the checklist isn't anythingcrazy.
And lastly, we have the topp'soriginal buybacks autographs.
And we do have odds.
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One out of 5,091 packs.
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
So the weird packs included.
SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
Yeah, I don't understand it, but yeah, those
are always cool to hit.
Yeah.
So we don't know who we're gonnaget.
You don't know who theyincluded, but they're always so
neat to see pop out.
Yeah.
Any other thoughts on the autosor the auto relics here?
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
No, you know, I uh it's like I don't plan they're
so rare to hit that it doesn'teven like factor into the value
equation to me for for heritage,especially because they're not
like massive chases.
You know what I mean?
Like, yes, you hit a handnumbered Cherio Robin Youth dual
auto.
Okay, it's super rare, but it'snot gonna be worth all that
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much.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
All right, so let's get into our final review of it.
Rip it, flip it, or break it.
And I will start with this.
And I will give my unbiasedopinion because I hate to trash
on a break, since especiallysince we're doing uh since you
are a breaker, but I know youunderstand.
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I am not a fan of brakes of thisproduct.
The brakes for this can be sobrutally slow.
For me, it's just it can be soboring to watch, and there's
just not that many hits.
The hits are so tough, and thechecklist is so big that even if
you finally see that auto afterwatching three boxes of just
base and a couple of chrome andnothing really colored, you're
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probably not hitting anythingworthwhile.
It's just few and far between.
There are some real nice hitsthough, like don't get me wrong.
Like I said, there are a lot ofthings that there are a few
things that I really like to behad in this.
But then also some breakers,which is the right thing to do,
they'll go back through and justtry to quickly see if there's
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any variations.
It's just so slow for me.
And if you are someone thoughthat's looking to do a cheap
break just for something to dothat's gonna take up some time,
sometimes you're like, allright, I have an afternoon,
nothing going on.
Maybe there's a cheap break tojust have on and just see what's
going on.
This could be a really goodproduct for that to just chill
and watch.
Yeah, so not break.
I don't think it has great flippotential.
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Like Bert said, it's going forlike$150 um secondary right now.
So it's really not worth it totry to just make a$30 flip after
fees and everything.
That price can go up.
So if I had to do one of thethree, if I was getting this
product, it would be a rip.
Ripping cards and a slow riplike this isn't as bad if I'm
ripping it myself.
It's a cheap entry point to beable to rip.
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It's a lot of packs to gothrough.
I don't like having to gothrough on my own, finding those
variations because I don't trustmyself in my eyes.
But the variation hunt can befun if you do find something.
So those are my thoughts.
Bert, what do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Yeah, I feel like we might we might need a fourth
option for this one, you know.
Pass.
But I but I think that thissegment is more so like if
you're going to purchase a boxof the product, do you want to
break it?
Do you want to rip it as apersonal or do you want to flip
it?
And between those three, like ifyou really want to get a box of
heritage, I think, I think yourip it.
Um and you just hope that yourun into something really cool
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and rare in, you know, a one ortwo box.
And then if you don't, thenyou're not down too much money.
You know, it's a pretty cheaprip.
If you're gonna break it, Iwould say what I've what I've
noticed is that a lot of the bigrookie teams are overpriced in
heritage.
I think it's really hard to hitwith the length of the auto
checklist and how hard it is tohit chrome and refractors.
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It's hard to hit anything forone of these top rookies that's
going to get you any anywhereclose to the entry price for a
PYP for somebody like RomanAnthony.
However, I do think demand forthis product's breaks is a
little bit lower in theaggregate, and you're gonna have
a lot of people out there tryingto break it too.
So if you're looking at eBayauctions on PYPs, multi-case
stuff, you might be able to, ifyou're looking in the bargain
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bin, you might be able to findsome somewhat decent deals on
players, especially if you keepit to just a pick your player
break and you keep your pricedown.
Like the risk isn't very high,and you could probably end up if
you if you put in the legwork,you could end up selling off
some of the stacks of base thatyou're gonna inevitably put
together if you're joiningmulti-casers, even if you don't
hit Yeah, that's kind of wheremy head's at.
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It is a I hear you, man.
As a breaker, it's it's it's atough product to open and to
keep it entertaining.
Like I find myself, I findmyself feeling that when I'm
opening heritage.
And I I like the structure ofheritage.
I like seeing the variations andI like having to think really
hard as you open it up.
But there are times where youopen up five, six, seven packs
and there's no hits, novariations, no nothing.
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And it's kind of just like it isit's a slow, slow burn and it's
a thinking man's break.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
One of the hardest parts about opening heritage is
it actually opening, physicallyopening heritage.
Is that one of those toughpacks?
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Yeah, they they tend to be sometimes.
It just depends on the release.
But yeah, I've I've I'vedefinitely thought of some
heritage packs in the past thatare that are quite hard to open.
SPEAKER_00 (27:34):
Yeah, that that can get to you, I'm sure, uh as a
breaker going like especially ifyou're doing multiple cases or
something.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
But I had one of my coolest ever pulls actually when
I got back into the hobby.
This was peak COVID, man.
This was peak COVID.
Uh, it was very rare at thistime to find anything on retail
shelves.
If you went into a Target,everything was going to be
cleared out by flippers who werelooking to profit off of just
buying those sealed boxes.
I found one hanger box of Topps2021 Topps Heritage, and I
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pulled a red ink Dylan Carlsonauto, who at the time was one of
the top rookie auto chases.
And uh that was one of my,honestly, one of my favorite
ever personal pulls.
It's a little, you know,$15hanger box or whatever it was to
pull a card like that was prettyspecial given the rarity.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Yeah, no, that's definitely a fun, yeah.
Seeing that red ink, especiallyfor D6.
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
Now I ended up trading it to my dear friend G2,
who was a Carlson collector, abig Cardinals fan, and he's got
it in his PC forever, eventhough Dylan Carlson has uh
since parted ways with St.
Louis and kind of not quitelived up to his potential.
SPEAKER_00 (28:36):
So let's give our final thoughts here.
Visual, we will start with that.
I'm gonna give it a five out often, which is meh to me, you
know.
It doesn't differentiate itselftoo much from heritage.
It's exactly what you wereexpecting.
The relics are nothing special.
Yeah, you they're really notgonna reinvent the wheel
because, well, they're lookingback at the wheel and seeing how
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the wheel was done before.
Uh but the thing that reallystops this from being like a
three or a four is just thoseready photos and the potential
for those chrome.
That really just elevates it andmakes it just average to me.
SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Yeah, I like the 77 tops design probably better than
I like 76, but I like 75 more.
I think it's kind of middle amiddling 70s tops look.
But like I said, some of these,like the Roman Anthony card for
me, really pops.
If you end up finding Chrome ora Refractor Auto or Roman
Anthony, that's gonna be apretty sick card.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Short-term value, I'm giving this a four out of
10.
I don't see much potential for aquick flip here.
You can really get your valuefrom set collectors if you're
the first to market with some ofthis stuff and people are
looking to build that set.
You can really be able to flip alot of that base quickly, which
cannot be said for everyproduct.
So that can really help you out.
I would also try some bundles.
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I'm not giving this below afour, also, because I don't
think that it has negativepotential, especially we'll see
how the rest of tonight goes,and you will know by the time I
listen to it.
But like you said, Roman Anthonycan really carry this product in
the short term.
So yeah, I'm at four out of ten.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Yeah, I think four is pretty pretty good rating.
You know, I'm kind of right inthere.
I think I may go a little bithigher just because it is so
cheap.
If you are ripping on releaseday or before release day and
you put in the legwork to listin bulk and you know, which most
people don't.
Most people just let the cardsit in a box and gather dust for
the next couple of years.
But if you're actually workingto take pictures and get them
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listed on eBay right away, Ithink you end up clawing back,
you know, most of your entrycost.
But it requires a lot of work.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Long-term value, I don't see this holding up well.
Three out of ten.
It's not worth stashing for apotential return in the future.
Yeah, I just I just don't see itwith heritage.
Like people that were buildingtheir sets, those have been
built at that point in thefuture.
If you're looking to hit thoseguys, it takes so many boxes.
Even if there is like a bigrookie in the future, it's gonna
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take so many boxes to be able tosee anything where you might be
able to hit it.
It's just not the product Iwould choose if I'm looking into
the past to see, hey, where canI hit this big rookie auto?
I'm not thinking, oh, heritageis a good product to make it
find that.
So three out of ten.
SPEAKER_01 (31:08):
No, it's a really good point.
You know, you you always like togo back to 2018.
Like if your guy, if your rookieends up being one of the best of
all time, like it was in 2018with Shelly Otani, look at the
prices of Heritage.
It's one of the most affordable2018 boxes you can find.
Like the rate that Heritage hasgone up compared to other
products that came out in 2018is is quite low.
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You also look at 24 high number,like anything with the Skeens
rookie in that 24 tops class,especially towards the end of
the year when he actuallystarted signing and having base
rookies in the product, all thatstuff is through the roof.
24 Heritage High Number, evenwith the amount of color and the
autos that you could find inthat heritage checklist, has
still not gone up all that much.
So I don't know.
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I just don't think that, likeyou said, it's not one that's
gonna ever really move theneedle, even if a guy ends up
being one of the top chases.
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Breaking is up next.
I pretty much gave my verynegative thoughts on breaking
list already.
I will give it a three out of10.
Just a boring break to me.
Not a ton of excitement goingon.
I definitely would not recommenda player break for this, because
they are it's just so hard tohit on an individual basis,
unless you're like a 50 case.
Those are out there.
If you're doing a 50 case and gofor it.
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Um, but if I were to grab ateam, I would really try to grab
someone with multiple players.
I would try to go for one ofthose mid-tier teams, probably.
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
I'm not if you're doing a 50 case or you got you
gotta send your breaker a tip,man, because that or better yet,
to like to the sorting team,because that's just that's a
grong.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
So yeah, I would I'm not looking at Roman Anthony or
Jack Haggs as a chase in thisproduct.
I am looking to see becausethere's still gonna be breakers
have to price it with demand atthe end of the day.
I think that that's correct whatyou say, right, Bert, at the end
of the day, mostly you gotta gowith demand, like what it's so I
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think those teams are gonna beoverpriced just based on people
are what they're willing to pay.
And I think that will help outthe mid-teams a little bit.
And if you can find a team withmultiple hits and multiple
chases, that's really the routeI would go if you were to be
breaking this, because youreally gotta, you really gotta
try to get ahead of the odds onthis one because they are very
much against you.
SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sitting here thinking, Ialways think about like what
constitutes a good case.
Like I'm gonna open up a couplecases tomorrow.
Like, and I always like to givemy opinion on whether or not it
was an average case, a betterthan average case, an excellent
case, or on the other side ofthe spectrum.
I don't know.
I just think that there's it'sso tough to have an excellent
case of heritage.
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I think now that they've addedtheir refractor autos, a lot of
it comes down to whether or notyou pull one of those or a red
ink auto.
If you don't pull one of those,it's very hard for me to imagine
many situations where you have agood case.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
And lastly, the checklist, four out of ten, very
long base checklist of at 400.
It's normal for this product.
You it's not like they increasedit or anything like that.
So it is what is expected.
So it's really great for setcollectors that really want to
chase those guys, but foreveryone else, not so great.
It does hit all the big playersand the rookies and the big
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rookies, and it is one of thefirst two products where you're
going to see for the 2026 year.
So this is the first time that alot of those rookies are getting
on a 2026 checklist.
But yeah, just four out of 10,just slightly, slightly below
average.
SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
Yeah, I'm with you there.
I think that's that's a goodevaluation.
You know, I think that they the26 rookie class I do like, but
400 names is too too long forany checklist, no matter how
many cards come out, especiallygiven that the base cards aren't
worth very much at all.
So I give it a four as well.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
All right.
Well, thank you so much forlistening to this episode of
Talking Cars with Grand Slamiand the Juice.
And yeah, that that is all thatwe have for you today.
We will be back.
We are going to be talking abouta product that we are very
excited to see that we got a lotof info recently on Bowman
basketball.
All right, any final partingwords, Bert, before we go?
SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
No, good luck, everybody on your heritage rips.
And uh looking forward totalking about Bowman basketball.
Yeah, big, big shake up there.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Yes, good luck today, everyone.
Have a good night.
Or you're probably listeningduring the day, have a good day.
Hello and welcome to Talking Cards with Grant Salami
and the Duke.
I am the Duke, along here withmy co-host Grant Salami.
Bird.
How's it going, Bert?
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Yeah, it's doing good.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
It's uh Heritage Eve.
Yes it is.
And by the time we look into itto us, this will be Heritage
Day.
And it's a good day.
It's not the best day, but Ican't complain about a new
product rules.
I will complain a little bit,but you'll you'll hear that in
our thoughts.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
We don't have pack odds yet, so I can complain
about that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Yeah, for sure.
And I have other things aboutHeritage to complain about, but
at the end of the day, you knowwhat you're getting.
Nothing has really changed toomuch.
So I can't complain too muchbecause it's nothing unexpected.
There are some things that thatI do and don't like about this
product for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yeah, oh yeah.
It's a it's a niche product,isn't it?
It always is.
And there's some very dedicatedset collectors out there that
just worship heritage and that'sall they collect.
And that's not your when youlook at like the ultra modern,
the fanatics effect andeverything that we're doing
around breaking uh heritageisn't the first product that
comes up.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Yeah, to go from Bowman's best to heritage.
They are two pretty muchopposite sides of the spectrum.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Yeah, well said.
It's very true.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
There will be three SKUs for Bowman Heritage.
We will have Hobby, of course,and for retail, we will have
Mega and Blasters.
We will focus as always on thehobby aspect of it.
It's going to be$119.99 for ahobby box.
There will be 12 boxes per casefor those of you getting into
breaks.
It is something that youdefinitely want to know.
And the release date is today,as of the time that you're here
(01:42):
in this episode, March 18th.
How are we feeling about theprice?
SPEAKER_01 (01:46):
Feeling pretty good about$120.
If you can get it at that price,I think these boxes will be
safely above that for a while.
I think right now on secondary,they're about$150 the day before
release.
And uh a lot of people lookingto buy it on DealerNet and
things like that too.
So folks are folks are willingto pay$150 a box plus, at least
for release day.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Yeah.
$120 is not a bad price for ahobby box of anything right now.
Even though there's not aguaranteed auto, you have the
typical that you see in TopSeries One and Heritage and
Flagship.
You are guaranteed a relic or anauto.
And the way that I view relicsin this product and most
products like this for hobby ispretty much you pull a relic in
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it and it's like a sorry mist.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Maybe in the collection relics too, yeah.
I don't know.
The design this year is itthey're always kind of bland,
aren't they?
Those clubhouse collectionrelics.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yeah, they're really nothing special.
You're really not going to findthe most amazing relics in
there.
There's also just not enoughroom.
It's not a jumbo relic, it'sjust a small little thing.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
It's it's like the meaningful material in flagship,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Even if you get Otani or a rookie relic, you
know, it's Yeah.
That's about it.
All right, so what you willexpect in a hobby box is as we
just said, one auto or memorycard, three inserts, eight base
short prints, eight dark graybordered base parallels, chrome
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variations, SP or numberedparallels, eight total, and
chrome, chrome light bluesparkle parallels eight.
That's what you can expect outof a hobby box.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Do you like those light blue sparkles?
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
I don't mind them.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
Yeah, they when did they first come out?
Was it 2023 they first came out?
I want to say.
And they've been kind of astaple since.
But they they actually do prettywell, I think, for how common
they are.
They're not very rare, but Ithink like if you get a gr a
graded version of a top rookie,like those actually tend to sell
decently for heritage.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
And when they use the term SP and base SP, that's
used very loosely.
Like I said, there's gonna beeight per box.
So it's not really short printedas I would define it, but for
heritage, it's just obviouslyless common than a common, but
nothing crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
High number SPs.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah.
Yeah, those are uh those are setcollectors cards.
Get up on eBay, have the setcollectors buy them or buy them
early.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
If you look at the checklist though, I don't even
think they are usually they dolike one through 400 and then
400 through 408 or 401 through480 is the SPs, but the SPs are
just randomly distributedthroughout the numbering.
So it's gonna be hard to figureout which was an SP.
Usually you can say, oh, okay,any number over 400 is short
printed, but not this timearound.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
Yeah, I haven't I haven't seen any images of the
backs of the cards yet, butsometimes they make it harder to
see what's a variation thanother times.
It just depends on the releaseand which ones they decide to
mark and where they decide tomark it.
Usually it's around the cardnumber on the back.
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
I was able to see one of the backs of the card,
and yeah, it's it is there, notfor the numbered as in just
where it's a different numbervariation SP, but like the
cartoon variations and stufflike that, you'll still see like
image or it'll say something.
It's still not very easy to see,but it is there.
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All right, so visually, thisyear they are going with the
1977 tops design, vintage,throwback, pretty standard, not
bad, not great.
When when I think of heritageand what I want to see visually,
the only thing that I can seeand look at and say, wow, that
is a sick card, is when you getinto the red ink autos.
(05:23):
That is when I could say, okay,I would rather have this auto
over an auto from most otherproducts.
That's the only thing thatstrikes me visually when we when
it comes to heritage.
This is a this is very much apersonal thing, as in you can
have a completely differentopinion on it and it's totally,
totally valid.
But for me, it just doesn't doit for me.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
Yeah, I think for me the refractors always really pop
in heritage.
I think back to a card that Iowned on multiple occasions and
I sold on multiple occasionsthat I should have just held,
but like a Shohei Otani HotboxPurple Refractor out of uh 2018
is rookie year.
That card, those cards just pop.
And I think one of the reasonswhy they pop so much is because
the the regular Heritage basecard is so bland on the paper at
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finish, and it's not, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
But then it doesn't feel like heritage to me anymore
at that point.
Like I get it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Especially the light blue sparkles and stuff like
that.
Like, that's pretty bright andcolorful and too much for me.
It's not my favorite.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So the base checklist is 400 players, huge
checklists.
That is normal for this product.
There are five different basepaper parallels, and then when
you get to chrome, there are 12different chrome parallels.
So, of course, huge checklists.
You're gonna have all the majorrookies that we we are going to
have all the major rookies thatwe've seen in series one.
(06:40):
Just quickly rifling a few offJack Keggs, Roman Anthony, Nolan
McLean, Cam Schlittler, Savage,Bryce Eldridge.
I put him there twice for somereason.
So I probably was missingsomeone.
Uh, Mizrowski, Visayo, ChaseBurns, Bubba Chandler, anyone
that you wanted to throw outthere?
This was just my glance at itand the names that I saw.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
No, but you know what I'm thinking about, Juice,
is do you think Topps sent theWBC or or USA baseball like some
grease payments to get Roman onthe roster?
Because what a great situationfor Topps to be in.
Imagine, you know, these Romanis so hyped right now.
And I think for good reason he'san amazing player, but the WBC
has helped him quite a bit too.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
I think, you know, it's always a lot of these
products are gonna revolvearound the number one rookie
chase.
Roman very clearly is the numberone rookie chase, and him
performing like this in the WBC,Topps has got to be sitting back
and saying, this is great.
Like he he's gonna be able tocarry our 26 products.
Very similar, actually, to JamesWood last year, who came out the
gates really hot in April andMay.
(07:45):
Topps was fortuitous to havethat happen.
It doesn't always happen thatway.
Look at 2021.
SPEAKER_00 (07:51):
You know what they could have really liked if um
Italy made the championship andyou had Jack Keggs, Roman
Anthony, and then they were bothjust going off.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Ball too, kegs, both in spring training and the WBC.
Um, it's a it's a really nicerookie class, I think.
You know, the pitching depth isfantastic.
You have uh a number of guysthat could be aces, and then
Roman and Jack at the top forhitters is solid.
I think we're the 26th rookieclass, and we'll talk about this
for a lot of product releaseswhere it lacks is I think
hitting depth.
(08:21):
But yeah, it seems like they puteverybody in heritage that they
should have.
No surprises.
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
Three of those names that I said, I believe.
I think the pitchers outnumberedthe hitters, which is very rare
to see for the chases forrookies.
The variations.
So we were talking about thisbefore, they're usually found by
an indicator on the back sayingwhich one it can be very hard to
spot.
They are definitely there, notfor every variation necessarily.
So when you get this product, gothrough all your cards with a
(08:47):
fine tooth comb and check theback.
It's usually on the same linethat the number is inside the
baseball, usually somewherealong that line.
I believe that's what I saw inthe image that I saw today.
Um, it'll say like image orcartoon or logo or or something,
but don't just do this for cardsthat you rip yourself, do it for
breaks because breakers can justas easily miss this.
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Some of them won't go throughand look for it.
Yeah.
And if even if they do, ifthey're if it's a full case,
that's a lot of cards to be ableto.
It's it's forgivable.
This is forgivable as long asit's all base ship, which for
this product you have to do.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
100%.
Yeah, I was gonna say the samething.
Don't no matter how reputableyour breaker is, you know, it's
very tough to sort out some ofthose variations.
I wouldn't trust anybody withthat.
SPEAKER_00 (09:35):
So the variations that we have are the all-star
logo variations, the imagevariations, alternate banner
variations, throwback jerseyvariation, and the black and
white image variation.
That one you can probably spot.
If not, you gotta have your eyeschecked.
But yeah, that one you should begood with.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
The nickname variations for me are always the
most fun.
And I'm very happy to see CalRaleigh in the subset, Big
Dumper.
Like that'll be his first timehaving a big dumper card, I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
Yeah, this is this, the variations, definitely one
of the highlights of thisproduct, actually.
I know he mentioned the red inkas the only thing I like, but I
was exaggerating a little bit.
The variations can be very fun.
I have a Juan Soto childishBambino.
That's one of my favorite cards.
That's a PC card forever.
And yeah, so these variationscan be a lot of fun.
Some of them, though, uh it'sjust I'd rather just get them to
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a set collector and resell themat the back.
Because I don't I don't careabout the cartoon on the back
being different.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
I know, yeah.
Those ones don't do it for me.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Last year they had the upside down bat variations,
and again, not something that Idon't care about something being
different on the back, really.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
No, me neither.
Yeah.
Um, some of these nicknames areactually pretty good, but like
but Bobby Baseball, that's agood one.
I love seeing that.
I've never heard Jonathanreferred to as the Canadian
canon.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:49):
But you have that.
There's another Canada guy inhere who gets a Canada
reference.
That's Josh Naylor.
His says just matter?
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (10:58):
It says the Mississauga Masher.
Okay.
Which as a Mariners fan, Inobody calls him that.
We call him the big grumper.
That would have been even betterbecause he's always got that
serious look on his face, andhe's pleasantly plump, just like
Cal is.
Anyways.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Yeah, these are definitely fun.
They are hard to hit though.
Uh, you you don't see a ton ofthese.
SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
And the list of guys for the nickname variation,
there's only 10 cards.
SPEAKER_01 (11:21):
Yeah, they're gonna be very rare.
Although there's quite a few oneBay already, and it's just the
day before release, but I know alot of people got their
pre-orders early.
SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Yeah.
Next up, we have the reliccards, and again, I don't want
to spend too much time on thesebecause you don't want to spend
too much time on it.
You don't want to really see it.
It's a disappointment to hitone.
It's a sorry missed.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
There the total checklist is 98 guys from the
clubhouse collection relics.
Real one relics is 50 cards.
Yeah, flashback relics, which iswhat they sound like.
It's for guys from the past.
Clubhouse collection dual playerrelics, 15 cards, and uh five
cards for the what is it, tripleor quad?
SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, this is one of those things where
it's like, even if you get likethe coolest thing that you could
get here is like a hand numberedone.
Like out of 77, hand numbered.
But even at that, like they'rejust not they're just not the
coolest cards, are they?
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
What I'm really hoping on, I know we don't have
the odds yet, but do youremember Heritage High Number
this past year?
How the autographs, how muchthey came out along with the red
ink.
I'm really hoping that our oddskeep us in that direction.
I don't think it will be forthis.
I think it will be more for highheritage again, heritage high
number.
Yeah, but I can hope.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
It was 24 heritage high number where they made that
shift to start inserting moreautographs in, and a lot of it
had to do with some of thechanges that they made in the
way that they built out theproduct and the checklist.
But that did carry over in a 25heritage high number.
And I think um, I hope they Ihope they continue to make the
autos a little bit moreprevalent than they did in years
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past.
Like I think four or five autosa case, a 12 box case is a good
is a good amount.
You know, traditionally in thepast heritage might have only
been like three.
I was gonna say like six autosin a case, but I've I've seen a
lot of openings already wherepeople have opened six boxes and
not hit one auto.
SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, seal cases is the way togo on this, I think.
But four four autos per case isis the number that you want to
be seeing.
If it starts to be less thanthat, it's gonna be really tough
on brakes.
It already is tough enough.
But if you see less than fourautos a case, just typically,
yeah, I'm staying even furtheraway from this than I'm gonna
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talk about later.
But as far as where we're at forthe autos, it is 114 car
checklists.
These are the real one autos.
This is the chase of theproduct, this is what you want
to see, this is why you'rebuying these hobby boxes for the
best chance to hit these.
They have such a clean look,they are super sought after, you
know, not like their typicallike flagship rookies, but a lot
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of people, this is really theirniche of what they go after.
So you can certainly get apremium for it.
And remember, this is also onlythe second 2026 release of the
year.
You have opening day rightaround the corner.
So, yeah, you can really flipthis around pretty quickly, but
they are hard to hit.
It's a 114-card checklist.
So it is a deep checklist whereyou don't have a ton of guys
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that you are going to love.
You do have Judge and Otaniautos on the checklist.
You have a lot of old schoolguys.
The Ken Griffey Senior trap isback.
A lot of notable vets andretired guys, uh Trout, Skeens,
Nick Kurtz, Yamamoto, VladdyJr., Tatish Jr., your rookies,
you have Jack Keggs, RomanAnthony, McLean, Bisayo,
Mizarowski.
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And just to go back to thatJudge and Otani point, because I
think we point this out likeevery week that we talk about
Judge and Otani having autos init, they don't each have a one
in 114 chance of their autocoming out.
All things are not createdequal.
I created a PSA and I posted itto all of our socials, letting
everyone know to not expect thatthis is another case of that.
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We could be pleasantlysurprised, but we won't be.
SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
You hope that like those big names, though, you
know, Judge and Judge and Otaniat least sign their 77 red inks.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
And I think that's usually the case.
Now, whether or not Topps putsall of those red ink autos into
packs is also another question.
Yeah.
It wouldn't surprise me, right,if Otani has fewer blue ink
autos than he has red ink autos.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
Or if he doesn't have how do you feel about this
auto checklist?
What do you think about theseautos in this?
SPEAKER_01 (15:33):
I think it's okay.
I'm a bit disappointed with thelegend autos, honestly, just
looking through it.
Like a guy that you oftentimessee in the real one autographs
checklist is Nolan Ryan.
No Nolan Ryan this year.
That's a bit of adisappointment.
No Ken Griffey Jr., no Barry, noBarry Bonds.
Yeah, so the legends to me are alittle bit disappointing.
I think it's good that they putJudge and Otani in there, like
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you said.
And it also seems like they theyhit on all the top rookies, too.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
It's very easy if anyone wants to see what legends
are on there.
It's very easy to look at thechecklist because all the
legends are 77 RO and then Dash.
So they're right at the top ofthe checklist, at least when you
look at Beckett.
Yeah, you got Reggie Jackson,George Brett, Andre Dawson, Mike
Schmidt.
So, you know, those guys wherethey are legends, but their
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autos, money-wise, if that'swhat you're looking at and
that's how you determine thevalue of a card, nothing
special.
SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
Right.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
The insert autos, though, are pretty cool.
And we got the duel and thequad.
You know, these are, of course,we're gonna assume pretty rare.
You do have Nolan Ryan on aduel.
Yeah, that that would be anawesome hit.
It seems like they're tying oneold school guy with one new guy,
Roman Anthony and Fred Lynn fromthe Red Sox, Jack Keggs and
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George Brett, which is seems tobe a pretty common dual auto
that they really like to do.
But how many legends does Caseyhave?
And then you have the quadautos.
There's just three cards herefor the Royals, the Red Sox, and
the Brewers.
What is cool this year?
I don't know if you saw this,they have the expansion
autographs.
Were you able to check that out?
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
The expansion autographs.
The uh Blue Jays and theMariners for 77.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
Yeah.
And they do have red ink.
Yeah, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
No players that I know.
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of, even as a big time
Mariners fan, I do not recognizeany of those names, those three
names.
Glenn Abbott, Gary Wheelock,Steve Braun.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
There are gonna be some old school collectors,
though, that are gonna bedrooling over these cards,
though.
I bet there are gonna be a bunchof people though, when they hit
these, they're gonna say, Whothe hell is this guy?
They're not even gonna know whatthey hit.
And then they're gonna lookonline and be like, oh,
actually, it goes for for adecent amount.
Yeah.
Because I don't recognize thesenames.
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Who knows if they ever reallysign cards?
I'm sure there's a reason forit.
There's not really demand, butyeah.
Next up, we have the Turn Backthe Clock autos.
This checklist is excellent.
It's just seven cards.
Cat.
SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
There's Barry.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
There's Barry.
There's Hotani.
Honestly, even as a Mets fan, Igotta say the worst auto on this
checklist has to be Mike Piazza.
I think I think our two uhhometown guys are the worst
autos on the checklist.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Felix and Piazza.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
King Felix and Mike Piazza arethe two worst, but honestly, you
can do a lot worse than that.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
What's those would be extremely rare?
SPEAKER_00 (18:24):
Yeah.
Next up, we have the chromeautographs.
This is 13 cards, very solidguys.
You have four differentparallels.
You have gold border, orangeborder, red border, and
superfractor.
And I'm just assuming these aregoing to look gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
I've been, I was just scrolling through eBay.
Because my first question when Ilook at this is are there base
versions, right?
Of course, you get the golds outof 50, orange out of 25, red out
of five, superfractor one ofone, but are there base
versions?
And it appears that there are.
I've seen a Bubba Chandler and aColson Montgomery Refractor
Auto.
They're unnumbered.
That's going to be one whereprobably some of these guys
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signed a lot more than some ofthese other guys.
But that checklist is awesome.
Very similar to Stadium Club,right?
Stadium Club, this pastrendition, introduced Refractor
on card autos for the firsttime.
Heritage, it was, I think, lastyear that they introduced the
Chrome and Refractor autos forthe first time on card.
Immediately, these become one ofthe biggest chase cards, I
think, for any particularrookie.
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I'm looking at the Roman AnthonyGold Auto.
It's up on eBay for 6,000.
What an unbelievable lookingcard.
Just awesome.
Huge fan of these.
I think because there are so fewof them and they don't make too
many parallels of them, they'reeven more valuable.
But the big question is, howoften are they going to be
inserted in packs?
I think they're going to bereally hard hits.
We don't have we don't have packodds or anything like that, but
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it wouldn't surprise me if youonly find a Chrome auto or any
of the parallels like one infive to ten cases.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Yeah, I I agree for sure.
Yeah, they are going to be supertough to hit.
And they print a ton of thisstuff.
Because remember, you also hadthe retail of the mega boxes and
the blasters, which is great,because I I think that is, I
think this is a good product forretail.
But these are going to be inretail somewhat.
So it's also going to dilutethis a little bit as well.
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
That's what I honestly.
When I when I go to open up thetwo cases of Heritage Tomorrow
in our PYT that we're running,I'm just hoping that we pull a
nice chrome auto.
I'm not really expecting to intwo cases, but if we do, I'm
going to be very happy.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Maybe a red ink.
A red ink in two cases isn'tcrazy, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah.
One or the other, I think I'd behappy with.
I'd be I'd be ecstatic with theChrome auto though.
SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
With the Chrome, you know that it's gonna, it's gonna
be something nice.
SPEAKER_01 (20:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
So yeah, that there won't be any disappointment with
any of these names that you hit.
Like there are definitely somethat are better than the others,
but yeah, it's it's a very solidchecklist.
I I'm glad that when they dosomething that's this rare like
that, I really like it when theydon't include like a throwaway
name to just puff up thechecklist a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (20:52):
Yep, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
Next we have Clubhouse Collection Autograph
Relics.
This is 23 cards.
These are the patches along withthe auto.
Solid checklist, again, just I'dhonestly I'd rather have just a
real one auto over this.
I I just feel like it makes thecar too busy on a product like
this.
But with these names, I can'tcomplain about pretty much any
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of these autos that I get.
How do you feel about this?
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
This might be one of those cards too that depending
on which player, they'reprobably gonna be hand numbered
to different numbers too.
So a lot of it will depend onthe rarity.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yeah, you got uh Paul Skeens, Lottie Jr., you got
some, you got Mike Trout, noOtani on this.
Yeah, you got some youdefinitely got some nice names.
You got some legends, you gotJohnny Bench, Steve Carlton,
some rookies, you have JackKeggs.
Yeah, it's a solid checklist,but yeah.
Dual autograph relics.
There's only two different cardsJudge and Reggie Jackson,
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Jackson Jurio, and Robin Yao.
Again, you can't complain if youhit one, but those are gonna be
stupidly rare.
Like, why even have it on thechecklist when you're just gonna
have two cards?
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
Yeah, I don't know.
It feels like if you're onlygonna have two, like it feels a
little underwhelming that thoseare the two that.
Put in.
Judge and Reggie is cool.
Churio and Youth leaves a littlebit to be desired.
SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
Yeah, for sure.
Flashback auto relics.
These are just old school guys.
Uh, auto relics.
You got just six names.
Yes Shremsky, George Brett, MikeSchmidt, Reggie Jackson, Robin
Yaount, Steve Carlton.
And really not worth spendingmuch more time on that.
There was Once a Man AutographRelics.
This is six cards.
It does have, yeah, these arerelics.
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Again, pretty similarchecklists.
Carlton Fist, George Brett, MikeSchmidt, Reggie Jackson, Robin
Yount, Steve Carlton.
These seem like they could bepretty cool.
I think this is the first yearthey're doing them, so I'm just
interested to see what they looklike.
But the checklist isn't anythingcrazy.
And lastly, we have the topp'soriginal buybacks autographs.
And we do have odds.
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One out of 5,091 packs.
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
So the weird packs included.
SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
Yeah, I don't understand it, but yeah, those
are always cool to hit.
Yeah.
So we don't know who we're gonnaget.
You don't know who theyincluded, but they're always so
neat to see pop out.
Yeah.
Any other thoughts on the autosor the auto relics here?
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
No, you know, I uh it's like I don't plan they're
so rare to hit that it doesn'teven like factor into the value
equation to me for for heritage,especially because they're not
like massive chases.
You know what I mean?
Like, yes, you hit a handnumbered Cherio Robin Youth dual
auto.
Okay, it's super rare, but it'snot gonna be worth all that
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much.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
All right, so let's get into our final review of it.
Rip it, flip it, or break it.
And I will start with this.
And I will give my unbiasedopinion because I hate to trash
on a break, since especiallysince we're doing uh since you
are a breaker, but I know youunderstand.
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I am not a fan of brakes of thisproduct.
The brakes for this can be sobrutally slow.
For me, it's just it can be soboring to watch, and there's
just not that many hits.
The hits are so tough, and thechecklist is so big that even if
you finally see that auto afterwatching three boxes of just
base and a couple of chrome andnothing really colored, you're
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probably not hitting anythingworthwhile.
It's just few and far between.
There are some real nice hitsthough, like don't get me wrong.
Like I said, there are a lot ofthings that there are a few
things that I really like to behad in this.
But then also some breakers,which is the right thing to do,
they'll go back through and justtry to quickly see if there's
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any variations.
It's just so slow for me.
And if you are someone thoughthat's looking to do a cheap
break just for something to dothat's gonna take up some time,
sometimes you're like, allright, I have an afternoon,
nothing going on.
Maybe there's a cheap break tojust have on and just see what's
going on.
This could be a really goodproduct for that to just chill
and watch.
Yeah, so not break.
I don't think it has great flippotential.
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Like Bert said, it's going forlike$150 um secondary right now.
So it's really not worth it totry to just make a$30 flip after
fees and everything.
That price can go up.
So if I had to do one of thethree, if I was getting this
product, it would be a rip.
Ripping cards and a slow riplike this isn't as bad if I'm
ripping it myself.
It's a cheap entry point to beable to rip.
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It's a lot of packs to gothrough.
I don't like having to gothrough on my own, finding those
variations because I don't trustmyself in my eyes.
But the variation hunt can befun if you do find something.
So those are my thoughts.
Bert, what do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Yeah, I feel like we might we might need a fourth
option for this one, you know.
Pass.
But I but I think that thissegment is more so like if
you're going to purchase a boxof the product, do you want to
break it?
Do you want to rip it as apersonal or do you want to flip
it?
And between those three, like ifyou really want to get a box of
heritage, I think, I think yourip it.
Um and you just hope that yourun into something really cool
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and rare in, you know, a one ortwo box.
And then if you don't, thenyou're not down too much money.
You know, it's a pretty cheaprip.
If you're gonna break it, Iwould say what I've what I've
noticed is that a lot of the bigrookie teams are overpriced in
heritage.
I think it's really hard to hitwith the length of the auto
checklist and how hard it is tohit chrome and refractors.
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It's hard to hit anything forone of these top rookies that's
going to get you any anywhereclose to the entry price for a
PYP for somebody like RomanAnthony.
However, I do think demand forthis product's breaks is a
little bit lower in theaggregate, and you're gonna have
a lot of people out there tryingto break it too.
So if you're looking at eBayauctions on PYPs, multi-case
stuff, you might be able to, ifyou're looking in the bargain
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bin, you might be able to findsome somewhat decent deals on
players, especially if you keepit to just a pick your player
break and you keep your pricedown.
Like the risk isn't very high,and you could probably end up if
you if you put in the legwork,you could end up selling off
some of the stacks of base thatyou're gonna inevitably put
together if you're joiningmulti-casers, even if you don't
hit Yeah, that's kind of wheremy head's at.
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It is a I hear you, man.
As a breaker, it's it's it's atough product to open and to
keep it entertaining.
Like I find myself, I findmyself feeling that when I'm
opening heritage.
And I I like the structure ofheritage.
I like seeing the variations andI like having to think really
hard as you open it up.
But there are times where youopen up five, six, seven packs
and there's no hits, novariations, no nothing.
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And it's kind of just like it isit's a slow, slow burn and it's
a thinking man's break.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
One of the hardest parts about opening heritage is
it actually opening, physicallyopening heritage.
Is that one of those toughpacks?
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Yeah, they they tend to be sometimes.
It just depends on the release.
But yeah, I've I've I'vedefinitely thought of some
heritage packs in the past thatare that are quite hard to open.
SPEAKER_00 (27:34):
Yeah, that that can get to you, I'm sure, uh as a
breaker going like especially ifyou're doing multiple cases or
something.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
But I had one of my coolest ever pulls actually when
I got back into the hobby.
This was peak COVID, man.
This was peak COVID.
Uh, it was very rare at thistime to find anything on retail
shelves.
If you went into a Target,everything was going to be
cleared out by flippers who werelooking to profit off of just
buying those sealed boxes.
I found one hanger box of Topps2021 Topps Heritage, and I
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pulled a red ink Dylan Carlsonauto, who at the time was one of
the top rookie auto chases.
And uh that was one of my,honestly, one of my favorite
ever personal pulls.
It's a little, you know,$15hanger box or whatever it was to
pull a card like that was prettyspecial given the rarity.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Yeah, no, that's definitely a fun, yeah.
Seeing that red ink, especiallyfor D6.
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
Now I ended up trading it to my dear friend G2,
who was a Carlson collector, abig Cardinals fan, and he's got
it in his PC forever, eventhough Dylan Carlson has uh
since parted ways with St.
Louis and kind of not quitelived up to his potential.
SPEAKER_00 (28:36):
So let's give our final thoughts here.
Visual, we will start with that.
I'm gonna give it a five out often, which is meh to me, you
know.
It doesn't differentiate itselftoo much from heritage.
It's exactly what you wereexpecting.
The relics are nothing special.
Yeah, you they're really notgonna reinvent the wheel
because, well, they're lookingback at the wheel and seeing how
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the wheel was done before.
Uh but the thing that reallystops this from being like a
three or a four is just thoseready photos and the potential
for those chrome.
That really just elevates it andmakes it just average to me.
SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Yeah, I like the 77 tops design probably better than
I like 76, but I like 75 more.
I think it's kind of middle amiddling 70s tops look.
But like I said, some of these,like the Roman Anthony card for
me, really pops.
If you end up finding Chrome ora Refractor Auto or Roman
Anthony, that's gonna be apretty sick card.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Short-term value, I'm giving this a four out of
10.
I don't see much potential for aquick flip here.
You can really get your valuefrom set collectors if you're
the first to market with some ofthis stuff and people are
looking to build that set.
You can really be able to flip alot of that base quickly, which
cannot be said for everyproduct.
So that can really help you out.
I would also try some bundles.
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I'm not giving this below afour, also, because I don't
think that it has negativepotential, especially we'll see
how the rest of tonight goes,and you will know by the time I
listen to it.
But like you said, Roman Anthonycan really carry this product in
the short term.
So yeah, I'm at four out of ten.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Yeah, I think four is pretty pretty good rating.
You know, I'm kind of right inthere.
I think I may go a little bithigher just because it is so
cheap.
If you are ripping on releaseday or before release day and
you put in the legwork to listin bulk and you know, which most
people don't.
Most people just let the cardsit in a box and gather dust for
the next couple of years.
But if you're actually workingto take pictures and get them
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listed on eBay right away, Ithink you end up clawing back,
you know, most of your entrycost.
But it requires a lot of work.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Long-term value, I don't see this holding up well.
Three out of ten.
It's not worth stashing for apotential return in the future.
Yeah, I just I just don't see itwith heritage.
Like people that were buildingtheir sets, those have been
built at that point in thefuture.
If you're looking to hit thoseguys, it takes so many boxes.
Even if there is like a bigrookie in the future, it's gonna
(30:55):
take so many boxes to be able tosee anything where you might be
able to hit it.
It's just not the product Iwould choose if I'm looking into
the past to see, hey, where canI hit this big rookie auto?
I'm not thinking, oh, heritageis a good product to make it
find that.
So three out of ten.
SPEAKER_01 (31:08):
No, it's a really good point.
You know, you you always like togo back to 2018.
Like if your guy, if your rookieends up being one of the best of
all time, like it was in 2018with Shelly Otani, look at the
prices of Heritage.
It's one of the most affordable2018 boxes you can find.
Like the rate that Heritage hasgone up compared to other
products that came out in 2018is is quite low.
(31:29):
You also look at 24 high number,like anything with the Skeens
rookie in that 24 tops class,especially towards the end of
the year when he actuallystarted signing and having base
rookies in the product, all thatstuff is through the roof.
24 Heritage High Number, evenwith the amount of color and the
autos that you could find inthat heritage checklist, has
still not gone up all that much.
So I don't know.
(31:50):
I just don't think that, likeyou said, it's not one that's
gonna ever really move theneedle, even if a guy ends up
being one of the top chases.
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Breaking is up next.
I pretty much gave my verynegative thoughts on breaking
list already.
I will give it a three out of10.
Just a boring break to me.
Not a ton of excitement goingon.
I definitely would not recommenda player break for this, because
they are it's just so hard tohit on an individual basis,
unless you're like a 50 case.
Those are out there.
If you're doing a 50 case and gofor it.
(32:20):
Um, but if I were to grab ateam, I would really try to grab
someone with multiple players.
I would try to go for one ofthose mid-tier teams, probably.
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
I'm not if you're doing a 50 case or you got you
gotta send your breaker a tip,man, because that or better yet,
to like to the sorting team,because that's just that's a
grong.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
So yeah, I would I'm not looking at Roman Anthony or
Jack Haggs as a chase in thisproduct.
I am looking to see becausethere's still gonna be breakers
have to price it with demand atthe end of the day.
I think that that's correct whatyou say, right, Bert, at the end
of the day, mostly you gotta gowith demand, like what it's so I
(32:58):
think those teams are gonna beoverpriced just based on people
are what they're willing to pay.
And I think that will help outthe mid-teams a little bit.
And if you can find a team withmultiple hits and multiple
chases, that's really the routeI would go if you were to be
breaking this, because youreally gotta, you really gotta
try to get ahead of the odds onthis one because they are very
much against you.
SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sitting here thinking, Ialways think about like what
constitutes a good case.
Like I'm gonna open up a couplecases tomorrow.
Like, and I always like to givemy opinion on whether or not it
was an average case, a betterthan average case, an excellent
case, or on the other side ofthe spectrum.
I don't know.
I just think that there's it'sso tough to have an excellent
case of heritage.
(33:37):
I think now that they've addedtheir refractor autos, a lot of
it comes down to whether or notyou pull one of those or a red
ink auto.
If you don't pull one of those,it's very hard for me to imagine
many situations where you have agood case.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
And lastly, the checklist, four out of ten, very
long base checklist of at 400.
It's normal for this product.
You it's not like they increasedit or anything like that.
So it is what is expected.
So it's really great for setcollectors that really want to
chase those guys, but foreveryone else, not so great.
It does hit all the big playersand the rookies and the big
(34:10):
rookies, and it is one of thefirst two products where you're
going to see for the 2026 year.
So this is the first time that alot of those rookies are getting
on a 2026 checklist.
But yeah, just four out of 10,just slightly, slightly below
average.
SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
Yeah, I'm with you there.
I think that's that's a goodevaluation.
You know, I think that they the26 rookie class I do like, but
400 names is too too long forany checklist, no matter how
many cards come out, especiallygiven that the base cards aren't
worth very much at all.
So I give it a four as well.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
All right.
Well, thank you so much forlistening to this episode of
Talking Cars with Grand Slamiand the Juice.
And yeah, that that is all thatwe have for you today.
We will be back.
We are going to be talking abouta product that we are very
excited to see that we got a lotof info recently on Bowman
basketball.
All right, any final partingwords, Bert, before we go?
SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
No, good luck, everybody on your heritage rips.
And uh looking forward totalking about Bowman basketball.
Yeah, big, big shake up there.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Yes, good luck today, everyone.
Have a good night.
Or you're probably listeningduring the day, have a good day.
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