Five Decades of Excellence with Amanda Strunk & Dorian Reyes

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Fifty years in professional skin care isn’t an accident; it’s the result of community, clear standards, and the courage to evolve without losing the human element. Today's episode features DERMASCOPE’s publisher and CEO, Amanda Strunk, and managing editor and podcast producer, Dorian Reyes, to share the story behind our golden year—how a pandemic-era 45th reset set the stage for a black-tie Golden Gala in Las Vegas, why the November anniversary issue felt like a love letter to aestheticians who built this field, and how a simple “globe” lesson reshaped our approach to conflict and collaboration. We get honest about the editorial and sales tightrope of sponsored covers, the origin of our Icon Awards, and the decision to protect print because hands-on professionals still value deep, distraction-free learning. 

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
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your mind.
The Aesthetic Report starts now.

SPEAKER_02 (00:34):
Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome to the
Aesthetic Report, a podcast byDermoscope.
I am your host, AIA Presidentand Director of Education,
Michelle Deallard Brenner.
And as so many of you know, theAesthetic Report is for skincare
professionals just like you, whowant to learn more about how to
make it in the industry byhearing straight from our number

(00:57):
one industry leaders with thebest one-on-one interviews about
the latest dish on all thingsprofessional skincare.
And this episode's guests are nostranger to the Aesthetic
Report.
As a matter of fact, there wouldbe no Dermoscope podcast without
these two amazing ladies.
It's our publisher and CEO,Amanda Strunk, and managing

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editor and podcast producerDorian Rays.
Hello, ladies.
Hi.
How are you doing?
Wait, a little more enthusiasm.
Come on now.
It's way too early.
Wait, wait, wait too early.
I'm just kidding.
We're great.
I'm great.
I'm great.
And this is, you know, this isgoing to be a great episode

(01:40):
because we do this, as you guysknow, two times a month.
And nobody gets to hear from youguys who make me play all those
awful games.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Okay, I think we should just start right there.
Maybe just rip this band-aid offand talk about the game.
I know that that's probably notin your notes what to talk
about, but um, you know, I thinkthat the the idea with the
podcast in general, whenever youknow, we were coming up with
this, and this was several yearsago, I know we're on our fifth
season now, which has been justa fun milestone of its own.

(02:10):
But yeah, with the games, Ithink I think that we just
wanted to be able to add alittle bit of a fun aspect that
estheticians don't ever get tosee from the leaders of the
industry whenever they're on themain stages and whenever they're
talking and they're lecturingand things like that.
So, not that I'm gonna defend mypersistent requirement of you to
play games, but I'm gonna goahead and defend myself there

(02:32):
and say, I think it's fun and Ismile every time I listen to you
interview somebody and then youdo a game.

SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
Well, you know, it's actually funny.
And I say to so many of ourguests, I really don't mind
playing because I don't have toplay.
I have to make them play, soit's not so bad.
And it's funny too, becauseDorian and I will like chat
right afterwards.
And you know what, Amanda?
Sometimes they nail it.
They're like, oh, and it's likebam, bam, bam.

(02:59):
And there have been a few gueststhat just totally bombed.
And it really, it's actuallyfun.
And you know what?
I think that the best part isthey they laugh too.
They laugh about it too andenjoy it.
So you're 100% right.
You're 100% right.

SPEAKER_01 (03:14):
All right, well, just between me and you off the
record.
No, I'm just kidding.
Which one of them?
Oh, you can hear it.

SPEAKER_02 (03:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So, ladies, um, this is likethis issue coming up for
November is really huge.
This is a big year.
Turning 50.
I know, I mean, Amanda andDorian, you guys aren't turning
50, but turning 50 was a bigdeal.
I remember turning 50 and Idreaded it my whole entire time.

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It was like the worst thing everuntil about four weeks before my
birthday, I decided I was gonnathrow myself a birthday party.
It was the best birthday party Iever had in my whole entire
life.
It was so great.

SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
That makes so much sense too.
I think that once you just kindof accept it, isn't that funny
though, with us?
I maybe it's just women, butwhen it's our age, it's like the
higher the number, the you'relike, oh no.
But when it comes to business,it's the exact opposite, and you
get celebrated and you know,just for enduring all this, it's
like, hey, I've endured 50 yearsof my personal life out here
too.
We can be celebrating that aswell, you know?

(04:18):
But yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
That's right.
So the November issue isofficially here and Dermoscope
special 50th anniversaryedition.
I mean, I guess for both of you,but how does it feel finally
holding that milestone in yourhands?
I mean, Amanda, you first,because you pulled us here, but
you had you had a team behindyou and Dorian right by your
side.

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How does that feel?

SPEAKER_01 (04:42):
I think it's overwhelming at first, you know,
when you talk about it.
I think just realizing andrecognizing our authority in the
industry and the presence thatwe have and just the the
milestone of just making it thisfar.
And I don't think that that'sreally an easy feat for 50 years
when it comes to publishing inprint and you know, being in
this industry, you know, andwe've had to stay with the times

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and to grow with our audience.
And that didn't always mean forus, at least it didn't mean
getting rid of print ever.
We've always grown steadily, andthat's always been our largest
achievement and our biggestsuccess, and it's where we
started, you know, back in the70s.
But since then, we've grown anddone lots of other growth

(05:24):
channels, lots of otherplatforms that we've had, just
like the aesthetic report thispodcast.
And so I think it's been funthroughout all the years just to
see it grow and evolve.
And I think that the Novemberissue is just a really good
reflection and representation ofthat.

SPEAKER_03 (05:39):
Absolutely.
Dorian, I had so much funputting together the November
issue.
It was, I was never in yearbook,so but I imagine it would be
something very similar to that.
I don't know.
And I learned a lot of thingsfrom Dermoscope, and you think
I've been here for five years,and I'm like, I got the gist of
it.
And then you're diving into thearchives and you're like, oh, I
had no idea.
Oh, okay, that makes more sensenow, like giving context and

(06:01):
like that's where that, orthat's where so and so fits in.
So it was fun that way.
And then when I first started, Icame in smack dab in the middle
of our 45th anniversary, whichwas COVID, and we still tried to
make the most out of it and didour Zoom party, and we had our
very, I think the November 2020issue was like one of the first

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magazines where I was like, Iknow what's going on here.
Like, okay.
Like just like floating out inspace.
So then to now see this one, andwe have we've actually got to
execute it in the way that wewanted to.
It's really fabulous, I wouldsay.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
I will say, you know, you bring up Doreen, you
bring up a great perspective,but our 50th anniversary, I
think a lot of this, a littlebit, is kind of left over from
our 45th celebration, you know.
And whenever I had taken over,that was a couple of years
before the 45th.
And so for me, the 45thanniversary was something that I

(07:01):
wanted to kind of do and put myown spin on, and I wanted to
celebrate us.
And, you know, we had all theseanniversary packages and ways
that we could highlight brandsand ways that we were gonna do
promotions and things for thereaders, and we had this whole
plan.
And then COVID hit.
And then from there, it wasduring the summer.
That's whenever we hired Dorian.

(07:21):
And so, yeah, I always also tellmy staff, anybody that comes on
for the magazine, it definitelytakes two or three magazines,
two or three issues to reallyeven get the hang of
understanding what we're talkingabout, what we're doing.
So, yeah, it completely makessense that for Dorian.
And it was November of 2020,which was our 45th anniversary
issue.
Yeah, I think that wedefinitely, I wouldn't say came
full circle, but there weredefinitely a few things that we

(07:43):
didn't get to really do in our45th because of COVID.
And I think that we got to to dothat a little bit more this
time.

SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
You know, you you both make a really good point
and that shift.
Amanda, I remember that.
I remember that with you andthink about, you know, all the
things planned for advertising,and then all of a sudden there's
no business and you know,aestheticians aren't working,
and it was just just such abizarre time in so many
different ways.
But I mean, that was talk abouthaving to pivot super quickly

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and and at the same timecontinue on with all right, now
what are we gonna do and how arewe gonna do that?
And I mean, kudos to you.
You had a couple years underyour wings, and it was like
boom, here, here we go.
Oh my gosh, one of those, thoselast minutes.
And now we're we're looking atthe 50th, and just the evolution
in those five years is isamazing.

(08:34):
It's really been it's reallybeen tremendous.
So tell me about the party.
I want to talk about the party.
See, and I'm like I said, I hadthe best party I ever had for
myself at 50.
I think you did the same thing.
So the golden gala, the firstin-person dermoscope event under
your leadership, which you knowwhat?

(08:56):
It's almost like everythinghappens for a reason.
There was a reason 45 didn'thappen, so that 50 could.
What was that vibe and thatenergy like walking into that
room?

SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
I think it was the most fun party ever, but don't
all hosts kind of feel that way.
I mean, it's kind of the sameway with your wedding, right?
You're like, it's the best nightever.
Right.
You realize that's becausethere's hundreds of people
coming to celebrate me, youknow?
It's like everybody's gonna atsome point you have to
acknowledge, like, that's whyit's fun.
But so a little bit of that,like just having so many people
come and so celebrate Dermoscopeand what Dermoscope has meant

(09:33):
for them in their professionaljourney in this industry, and
you know, just to be able tohave all of the different brands
that we work with come andsupport us and to show us that
support.
And we feel like as a magazine,that's really what we're here to
do is to support the industryand to be there for the industry
and to help grow these brandsinto making larger names for

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themselves.
And same things withestheticians, you know.
But at the end of the day, thatthat's our goal is to grow the
industry, raise the bar.
And and yeah, so it was just itwas I don't even know what word
to say.
Maybe Dorian, she's she's theeditor, she'll have better words
for it.
But it was just, it wasoverwhelming again, just to have
so much support and to see allof these people, you know, and
that I've grown up with too.
You know, we were talking just aminute ago about like how long

(10:16):
have we known each other now?
And it's kind of the same thing.
I remember that night, likelooking around the room and just
realizing like some of my oldestfriends and colleagues, you
know, were in that room and theywere there to support us, to
support Dermoscope.
And so it meant the world to me.
It was one of the best nights ofmy professional career
completely.
And I'm definitely gonna find anexcuse for why we need a 51st

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anniversary next year for sure,for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (10:41):
It was great.
That's awesome.
I would say obviously that'severything that Amanda said, but
just like the feel of it, itbecause we framed it around
IECSC Las Vegas because we knowthat that was the best way to
get everybody kind of in theroom, you know.
But attending IECSC over thesepast few years, you become
accustomed to the differentbrand parties that get hosted

(11:02):
throughout the weekend.
So I just we really wanted todifferentiate between this,
isn't just like a productlaunch, or like this isn't just,
oh, let's meet up in Vegasbecause there's a lot of our
accounts that are gonna bethere.
We really wanted it to feelcelebratory and very glamorous.
We did black tie, we put on ourfancy gowns, like we sent out

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physical invitations, which is,you know, if it's again not a
wedding, who does that?
But we did it.
And I I think we, to the best ofour ability, you know, us pretty
green to it, pulled off what wewanted to pull off.
So it was it was fulfilling andseeing everyone there and meet.
I met so many people that I'veonly emailed for like five years

(11:43):
and finally like, oh likeMichelle, I've still never met
you in person.
Oh my gosh, y'all are kidding.

SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
No, I've never met Michelle in person.
No.
No, no, it's like we know eachother.
I mean, we've been together,we've been together five years,
you know.

SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
Um I don't know if you've noticed, but now we can
say online relationships reallydo work.

SPEAKER_02 (12:07):
See this?
They do.
They do, yeah.
It's a Dorian.
I also understand that sort ofthe theme behind the party was
based off of one of yourfavorite films.

SPEAKER_03 (12:17):
It was, yeah.
Casino.
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
That is awesome.
And Amanda, did you know that ordid she sneak that in there
without you knowing?

SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
You know, maybe we shouldn't talk about how much
Dorian sneaks in without meknowing, just in general.
Next session.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, I definitely know Dorian'slove affair with well, I
wouldn't say pop culture, butshe definitely has a love affair
for for certain things.
And I think I remember her maybesaying something about it, but
it when you said it off the topof my head, it it just it does

(12:50):
click.
It makes sense.
Like completely.

SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
Yeah.
When we were talking abouteverything, and I was like, I
want it to feel old school.
I want it to feel, you know, Iprobably was never like, you
know, like the movie casino,because I know that eventually
she'd be like, no, I don't knowwhat you're talking about, and
let's move on.
So it's like, no, like let's doCrap Pack, let's do gold, let's
do showgirls.
Like, I want it to feel like ayoung Robert DeNeu is gonna walk
in.

SPEAKER_01 (13:12):
I think Dorian and I also, you know, and we had uh
more of our like creativemeetings before what we wanted
this to feel like.
And then I remember I I wantedit to be a black tie event.
And I remember everybody waslike, but it's Vegas.
Nobody's gonna take like a bigball ground in their carry-on
luggage.
And I'm like, Oh, they will.
Yes, they will.
They sure will because I'mmaking it black tie because I

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that's just that was the vibe Iwanted it to be.
You know, I wanted it to bespecial.
I didn't want it to be somecocktail party in Vegas, I
wanted it to be a special blacktie party that that celebrated
us.
And I think I think that we didit.
I think casino, there you go,wrap it up.
That's exactly the vibe.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
Minus like the murder and like tearing and
extorting.
I'll just say it was vague, youknow, but in terms of just our
party, yes, Christian.
But the glamorous, yes, yes.
It was very much casino.
Martin Scorsese would be proud.
He would, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
So I understand the whole team came together to pull
this event off.
But the whole night was madepossible by your administrative
assistant, Deja Heath, whocouldn't make the celebration.
So did you feel her presencethere?
Was there something inparticular that stuck out that
just you knew she was there withyou?

SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
A couple of things.
First, a minute ago, wheneveryou asked me what it's like just
to be celebrating the 50th.
And I think the first thing Ialways go to is, and I know it
sounds so typical, but it'slike, this would not be possible
without our team, you know, andit's like the no matter who you
see up on that stage, it's notjust that person, it's that
person filled with about 10 or100 women behind her.

(14:43):
You know what I mean?
Yes, most definitely like Dejawas one of the ones in lead of
this whole project, making surethat she was staying on top of
my tail, trying to get answersfrom me and make sure that the
checks were written and thestuff was organized and all that
stuff.
And I know she was having tostay on top of Dorian too, with
you know, making sure the thewhole casino vibe was gonna go

(15:03):
off without a hitch.
And so I think definitely wecould not have done this without
her.
And that that there you go.
That's why I'm having a 50 burstbecause they just gotta come to
this one.

SPEAKER_02 (15:14):
There you go.
There you go.
So, besides the party, how didthe celebrations evolve issue to
issue throughout 2025?
Was there a consistent link or aconnection between each issue
that kind of brought us toNovember?

SPEAKER_03 (15:30):
Yes, yeah, there was in more issues than others, but
we actually implemented adepartment called History
Lesson, which kind of was like aprecursor, I would say, to the
November issue, where I wentthrough different AIA legends
and I kind of read through theirstory and kind of pulled like
headlines.
So I think we did like theinvention of the term day spa.

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And so we spotlit KatherineAdson because she's coined that
phrase.
And we did, I think, a few onlike the coining of skincare and
everything.
So it was just kind of a way toexplore our history while giving
a tidbit information of like,did you know that these people
came before you?
And that's the reason theindustry is the way that it is.

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So that was one way that we didit.
And then in the majority of, Iwould say the majority of the
issues, not all the issues, wehad sponsors for the issue, and
sometimes included the cover,sometimes just an interior
story.
So, you know, thanks to a lot ofthese brands that were there to
support us all year long, wewere able to make it very
special and something like we'venever done before.

(16:36):
So, of course, I want to thank XArcadia and Face Reality and
Skin Blends and AlexandriaProfessional and Pavonia and
SkinScript and everybody else.
It was amazing to work becauseI'd worked so closely with so
many teams and it was a learningexperience, but it was also like
really great to see how otherteams work and how other brands

(16:58):
and everyone put their spin onour cover.
And it's still our cover, right?
Because that's that's our baby,but it very much was a
collaboration and it did make itfeel really special.
And you know, it's it'ssomething that I would never
want to do all the time, but I'mreally glad that we did it for
things that year.

SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Well, you know what's really great about it,
and I mean, listening to whatyou're both saying too, and then
watching all of this and alsohaving been in the industry as
long as I've been in theindustry, there's years and
years and years of companies, ofproducts, of people, of
professionals, of justeverything in our industry that
collaborated together andcontinue to.

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That doesn't happen in a lot ofprofessions.
You know what I mean?
There's it people start todiversify or things dramatically
change in what was good, youknow, in the 70s, isn't in the
80s.
But the evolution of everyone inthis profession is really an
amazing feat as a group and aprofession together.

(18:01):
It's a very cohesive unit, Ithink.

SPEAKER_01 (18:04):
I think so too.
And I think that, you know, forthose of us that have been in
the industry for a very longtime, then we can kind of see
how really of a close-knitcommunity this industry is.
And I think that that issomething that makes it much
more enjoyable to be in, youknow, and just being able to
kind of grow up and grow withall of these other professionals
and yeah, just see how far we'veall come and see how far with

(18:27):
everybody's help the bar's beenraised a little bit more every
year.

unknown (18:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Dorian so as you talked, we talked about, you
know, month to month, each issuekind of growing into this.
And you, you know, you talkedabout what makes it so special,
but what should readers belooking for in the November
issue?
What is like gonna jump out atpeople or should jump out at
people?

SPEAKER_03 (18:48):
Should jump out.
I had a really fun time puttingtogether our legends hall, kind
of like a walkthrough.
We didn't showcase all of our AIlegends because there's so many,
but I got to handpick a few.
And I think it's really fun.
If you read through thosestories, there have been amazing
people that have been in thisindustry and that have have done

(19:10):
so much.
Like Eve Taylor is dame EveTaylor, like knighted by, you
know, the like she's Britishroyalty adjacency.
Like, that is amazing.
And she did so because of hercontribution to business in the
spa industry.
It's just little things likethat, or like Dr.
Peter Baglis opened up one ofthe first methadone clinics in
the 60s in Pennsylvania.
Like, how like you would neverbe like, oh, Circadia, oh, of

(19:32):
course, you know, methadoneclinics and I remember that.
No, like that's amazing.
Like, it's just crazy things.
And then, of course, we we gotto spotlight you, Michelle.
So that was exciting.
And I have read your cover storybefore.
I was just wondering, I waslike, does Michelle know she's
in the November issue?
She is yes, we got to put yourold cover and everything and

(19:52):
just kind of I got to walkthrough it, and you've had an
amazing career.
You're an educator at heart, andit's not like you have the
typical, like, oh, I had acneand I went to an estetician and
she fixed it.
Like, no, you were like, I kindof fell into this and I didn't
know if it was gonna work, but Imade it work, and that's that's
amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (20:10):
It's a it's a great profession.
Well, I mean, we I think I thinkwe're all pretty blessed at the
opportunities that theprofession provides.
There's because there's so manyout there.
So when we look at that too,Amanda, I mean, what does this
milestone mean to you personallyas the publisher and as someone
carrying on the strunk legacy?
I mean, your mom and dad arejust like, you know how I feel

(20:33):
about them.
And for our listeners that arelistening, I mean, they are two
of my favorite people in mywhole entire life.
I mean, if it weren't for them,none of us would be here right
now.

SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
I mean, at first, I don't, you know, this isn't just
my job.
It I feel like it's kind of itisn't partially, you know, my
family's legacy and it and it'smy family's fingerprints pressed
into the industry and thehistory of it.
And then it's kind of my turnand what am I gonna do with it
and where are we gonna go fromhere?

(21:03):
You know, and you and I havetalked about this personally
several times, I'm sure, becauseI've called and leaned on you a
couple of times, like, what iswhat is going on?
But I think that, you know,whenever you kind of take over
and you're at the helm ofsomething big and and it's
weighty, you know, and and yourealize the importance and the
legacy and kind of what you havein your hands and gotta be

(21:23):
careful with it.
You know, I think for me it waseverything just changed and
became fun again when I realizedlike it was just a it was a
mindset shift, you know, becauseall growing up, I've been in
this industry 20 years, and itfeels like the first half of
that was really just metraining, learning, growing

(21:43):
myself into this industry.
And then, you know, on thislatter half, it's been more of
me being in charge and takingcontrol of Dermoscope and
figuring out where we want it togo.
And I think that it took alittle bit of that mental shift
for me to go from just you knowbeing a part of Dermoscope and
an employee of Dermoscope tobeing the owner of Dermoscope,

(22:04):
and that was a little bit of amindset thing that I had to
shift on.
And like I said, I yeah, I knowyou and I have talked about
this, but you know, whenever youand you take over something, I
think that you always look atthem, you know, and and you see
like how did they do it?
How did they make thissuccessful?
Why do others respect them?
Where did they do it right?
Where did they do it wrong?

(22:25):
And I think for a little bit, Ikind of got so caught up in that
of because who knows my dadbetter than you know, I've lived
with him, you know, and I knowwhat he's like and I know what
pisses him off, and I know, youknow, I know how he thinks.
And I think that's the thing.
I know how my dad thinks, and Iknow the whys behind his
decisions.
And so for there was a littlebit, there was like a year, year
and a half where I was kind ofin my own head and I was like, I

(22:46):
don't know how I'm going to fillhis shoes.
I just don't know how I'm gonnado it.
He commands the room, he makesfriends with everybody, he has
an answer for everything.
He's vulnerable enough without,you know, showing all of his
cars.
Like he's got all these greatqualities in business.
And then I think one day, justlike the light flipped on in my
head, and I realized, like, Idon't have to fill his shoes.

(23:07):
I have my own shoes and I canmake my own path.
I think that's true withanybody, you know, in in your
business and you're trying togrow.
I think it's just recognizingthat we are all individuals and
we're all unique and we're allgonna make our own mistakes or
our own decisions or whatever.
And it's just how we grow andwhere we go from there.
And uh, I'm pretty proud ofmyself over these last few

(23:28):
years.
I think Dermoscope's been doingreally great, you know, going
with the changes and growing.
And again, I it would not behere if not for my team.
And uh it's just been it's beenthe best 50 years of my life,
Michelle.

SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
I've never worked with Will, so I never got to see
the position.
So it's so crazy.
Like, I can't picture Amanda notrunning dermoscope.
Like when she tells me, like,well, it used to be like this,
and I'm like, really?
How is that like this?
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
Well, I try to explain to Dorian, I was like,
you know, because sometimesthey'll, you know, the girls
will give me a little bit of ahard time every while someone,
and I'm like, hey, hey, hey,hey, hey, you have no idea how
easy you've got it.
Otherwise you're for aseven-hour lecture about the why
behind, like, you want to knowhow I know the whys behind
everything.
Because I said through thoseseven-hour lectures on every
single topic about why you don'tchange for the sake of change

(24:18):
and you keep the department inthere, blah blah blah.
I mean, there's reasons foreverything.
But anyway, did that answeryour?
I think we got the point.

SPEAKER_02 (24:24):
No, it's no, it it did answer my question.
And I, you know, aside from youand your brother and obviously
your mom, I mean, I think I knowyour dad pretty darn well.
And he thinks I have gonethrough many of those lectures
myself.
But I, you know what, here's acouple of things.

(24:47):
And for all of our listenersthat are out there that haven't
been around long enough to knowyour dad, first of all, you have
a lot of his traits.
You have a lot of his traits.
But your father has some veryunique traits that you know what
more human beings should have.
He is by far one of the mosthonest individuals I've ever met

(25:09):
in my whole entire life.
Whether you want to hear it ornot, he's honest with you.
And I think that's reallyimportant.
He doesn't try to tell yousomething to make you feel
better or do something to makeit better.
He's truly one of the moststraightforward, honest people
I've ever met my whole entirelife.
He is also one of the mostselfless individuals I've ever

(25:30):
met in my life.
To a fault.
Yep.
100%.
He'll do anything for anyone.
He's just amazing, kind-hearted,and he really truly wants to
make a difference for otherpeople and wants to raise other
people up and make things betterfor their lives and their

(25:52):
individual days.
And Amanda, you have a lot ofthose qualities, and a lot of
that you have continued to carrythrough with Dermoscope.
But those are all things that Imean, your dad is is just a
special human being.
He he truly is.
And I think he he's touched alot of people, and he did touch
a lot of people.

(26:12):
And I wish more there were morepeople like that that were out
there would be really cool.
But you have a lot of thosetraits, and you have taken
those.
You truly do.
I've I've watched it over thelast, it's been what, almost
seven years now.
I've watched it, and you knowwhat?
You've created it with your teamof people, you've created with
the relationships that you'vebuilt for the magazine, and the

(26:35):
success in the seven years,especially with COVID, is
mind-boggling.
I'm honestly like so proud ofyou.
So proud.

SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
I know it sounds like a maternal thing, but no,
no.
Well, I I it means a lot.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for saying it.

SPEAKER_02 (26:49):
Absolutely.
Okay, so here's a greatquestion.
This, Amanda, is a you question,but only because you might kind
of, if you could go back to 1975dermoscope, what would you tell
the team that things would belike back then?
Well, like what one thing wouldbe that, oh, okay, here's the

(27:12):
home purpose.

SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
I know where my mind would go.
Yeah, I think I would say thatthe internet is coming and be
ready.
I think I would tell, I think Iwould tell the tell the
employees from 75, like, this isgoing to change the industry.
This is going to grow itrapidly, like buckle up
buttercup and be ready.
Yeah.
I think that if they from 1975could realize like just the

(27:37):
world that they were about tostart growing and they were
paving the path for all of us.
And I don't know that I wouldtell them that how important
that was, you know, not don'twant to put all the weight of
that on their shoulders, but Ithink I would tell them
something about likeunderstanding the future and
understanding how you know thisis going to turn into such a

(27:57):
multi-platform and and just toto be prepared for that.
Yeah.
What a big change.

SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
You know what, Amanda, you make a really
interesting point because we allget oftentimes so caught up and
streamlined in our environment.
So that that is a good point.
But to take it back to thecomment you also made about
growing up in Dermoscope.
When you're not outside of itand you're born and raised in
it, and that's all you know, itreally takes a lot to step

(28:28):
outside and look at it all as aspectator and get a different
perspective on it.
Because you know what, you're100% right.
Just because this is the waywe're doing things doesn't mean
this is how we're always gonnado it, because times change so
much.
I mean, I even see it with withmy school, you know, you get so
stuck within the dailyhappenings of things.

(28:50):
That sometimes you just gottastep back from the outside and
look at it completely different.
And you also realize the impactthat you've had.
And that had to be one of thosethings walking into that 50th
party of realizing, oh my God,all of these people are here for
me.
Look at the impact we've had.

SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that you're right.
I mean, it's like that withanything, right?
Like even in relationships, it'ssometimes you have to take a
step back and get outsidebecause it gets emotional.
And I think emotions are whatcloud up a lot of our decisions
and can kind of shift ourdecisions.
And so, and that's true in anytype of relationship and
especially in business.

(29:29):
And I think in business, youremotions are more involved than
you like to admit or realize.
And so I think it is so it'sexcruciatingly important to be
able to remove yourself shortterm, like temporarily, like in
that moment, take yourself outand to look at it.
Um, my dad actually used toalways have this glass globe,

(29:51):
and it was like a paperweight.
I'm sure you just know thestory.
All right, I'm gonna look atDorian and tell her this story.
No, you haven't heard thisstory.
I'd like to hear the story.
So my dad used to always havethis paperweight and it was this
solid glass.
It was like a globe, but it wasclear.
And then the continents werelike the frosted part.
Anyway, so he'd always have thispaperweight on his desk.

(30:13):
And that ever since I've everbeen in his office.
And what's funny is by the timehe ended up leaving, I think he
had bought a globe paperweightfor almost every single person's
desk because there was always ascenario or something going on
where he used it as kind of ateaching moment and taught him
her his perspective.
And then to remind them, toremind them of that message and

(30:39):
of that lesson, then he wouldbuy them that paperweight and
put it on their desk too.
So anyway, so now I think I'mthe only one that has a
paperweight globe at the officeon my desk.
I didn't really take forwardthat tradition of teaching the
employees that.
But yeah, that's basically whatthe globe was.
It was Michelle and you and Iare talking, and we're sitting
across the desk, you know,trying to make this business
decisions together or dowhatever.

(31:00):
And there's this globe in frontof us.
And you're looking at Asia, andI'm looking at North America.
And we can both be talking aboutthe world, and we can both be
talking about this globe.
But you have such a differentperspective, and all you can see
is this side of the world, andall I can see is this side.
And all it takes is just onepercent shift in our mindset for

(31:22):
us to change and go, oh, wait,you know, and then you don't
have to be like so stuck on yourperspective.
You can realize there's 360perspectives, you know, there's
a bunch of different ways aroundthis.
And it makes it so much easierto work with your employees or
work with any like any businessrelationship when you can take
yourself out of the situationjust momentarily and look at it

(31:43):
from the other person's point ofview.

unknown (31:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (31:45):
I love I love that story.
And I I have heard that story,and I've gotten lots of lessons,
quite honestly, as well as well.
But, you know, but that is trulysomething that I I learned in my
whole entire life.
And, you know, for all of ourlisteners that are listening, I
hope that, you know, they stopthis podcast and and back up to
what you just said a coupletimes over and over and over

(32:09):
again.
Because we started to becomevery self-centered and
opinionated and to just take astep back, to listen to other
people's perspectives, to haveopen conversations.
We can all disagree aboutthings.
We can all think differentlyabout things, we can all believe
what we want to believe andstill all move forward together.

(32:32):
And then when you when you lookat our profession, it's a great
way to look at our profession.
There's so many opportunities,so many different ways to look
at things.
And at the same time, so manypeople that can be there to
support you.

SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
Yes, I agree.
I think that it's, I mean, it'slike that with anything.
It's it's just your mindset.
And I think that I think that'swhere a lot of these other good
qualities that you're talkingabout, my dad come from too.
And and at the end of the day, Ithink it's just being able to be
in business and to be able totake your emotions out of it
sometimes.

(33:05):
I think maybe that's the otherthing that I would say that's a
little bit different from methan my dad.
I think that emotions are alsowhat drive us and what make us
passionate about our work.
And it's what keeps us involvedfor 20 years or 35 in some
cases.
You know, it's it's what keepsus around.
And so I'm definitely not sayingthat my message is just to take
emotions out of it and, youknow, no hard feelings, it's

(33:26):
just business.
Like, no, like that's not it atall.
Like it's extremely personal,you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Business is personal to me.
It's my life and it's I love itand it's my passion.
So again, I know we're offtopic, but yeah.
No, that's my two cents on that.
Still learning that one.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
We're here for you, Dorian.
We will support you in any waythat you'd like.
Did you know that Dermascope iscelebrating 50 years this year?
Founded in 1975, Dermoscope hasbeen bringing skin professionals
the best in continuing educationfor half a century, with more to

(34:04):
come.
Follow us on social media atDermascope on all platforms.
Subscribe to the print magazineat www.dermoscope.com backslash
subscribe.
And tune in to the aestheticreport, weekly to stay in the
know on our semiciennialcalendar.
Celebrate 50 years withDermoscope in 2025 and join us

(34:26):
as we usher in 50 more of thebest generic non-branded
education in the industry.
But what about the magazine, theindustry, and even yourself in

(34:51):
this business?
Did you learn in this process?
I'm not as flexible as I thoughtI was.

SPEAKER_03 (34:57):
Because I do think that I am pretty, I think I'm
pretty easygoing.
I think I'm like, yeah, sure,like no sweat off my back, you
know.
But this year has taught me thatI'm like, oh no, you you are a
little rigid when it comes tocertain things and you need to
lay down sometimes and just letit happen because it's too hard
to fight.

(35:17):
And sometimes it's like not evengreat for the for the big
picture, right?
Like just because you want toprotect the integrity of what
you think you're protecting,right?
Like it's just you have to lookat things in the bigger
perspective.
So yeah, that's I learned thatabout myself this year.

SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like you got to stepoutside of yourself for a little
bit and just just take a lookin.
I remember having, it wasn'treally an argument, but it kind
of turned into one.
I remember saying to my husband,he said to me, Why do you not
agree with me?
He goes, You always have to picka different way of looking at
it.
And I said to him, I'm givingyou the opportunity to look at

(35:56):
things from a differentperspective.
I was like dead serious.
I meant it in like the kindestof ways.
He was furious with me.
He was angry.
That's exactly what he wasmortified.
He was so upset with me forsaying that.
I'm like, why are you upset?

(36:16):
I meant it.
He goes, That's my point.
You meant it.
That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
I always say the same thing too, though.
It's like, I'm I don't disagreewith you.
Like, because people will belike, you know, after five, 10
minutes, and they're like, wait,you don't even agree with that?
And I'm like, well, no, but youwere so staunchly like hardcore
on your side that I had to arguethe other side.
I don't agree with the otherside, but I had to show you that
you're not right.
Doesn't mean that I I don'tcare.
I'm I'm out of it.
I just wanted to show you adifferent perspective.

(36:43):
And it's like just sometimes youjust gotta learn, like, doesn't
matter.
Devil advocate.

SPEAKER_03 (36:48):
Both of you, you guys love devil's advocate.

SPEAKER_01 (36:51):
Yes, yes.
And that's all I always say.
It's like, I'm not an optimistor a pessimist.
Like, I just I'm gonna havewhatever view you don't have
because again, I think thatglobe thing is like so hardcore
ingrained in me where it's like,no, I'm gonna walk around this
entire globe and I'm gonna knowevery single angle of it.

SPEAKER_02 (37:06):
So anything's 100% your father.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
100%.
I know, I know.
So yeah, I think that that'swhere I get my argumentative
qualities from, is because I Ithink what it is is I'm just
trying to poke holes or see ifholes can be poked.
And if not, then I can reallyback you up and I can support
that.
But if I come at it just withthe opposite side, you know,
with like the most very commonarguments from the opposite side

(37:32):
and you can't even defend those,then it's wail.

unknown (37:35):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
Wheel.
Yeah, you know, like that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
So Amanda, what's next?
I mean, after this year ofgolden celebrations, how how do
you what's next?
How are you gonna top this?

SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
I think I'm just gonna retire.

SPEAKER_02 (37:52):
You're too young to retire.
Child retiree.

SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
I won, I won an award for the youngest
non-esthetician in the industryto retire in the industry.
What's next for Dermoscope?
Uh, I mean, I don't want to giveaway quite everything yet, but
we definitely are going, we'regoing to change a little bit in
terms of what you've been seeingall year for the 50th.
I mean, we went all out.

(38:18):
We are, I think we are out ofgold confetti.
So you will definitely see usgoing more back to what year is
this?
I don't know.
Whatever the year is before thisone, back to year 48, 49.
Like you're gonna see morecontent from that.
Not content, but more of thateditorial, like just heavy focus

(38:39):
and advanced education andthings like that.
Um, not as many things tocelebrate.
And obviously, we're still goingto be celebrating others in the
industry.
And what's crazy is I remembernoticing this at the 45th
anniversary, but there's a lotof companies and brands that are
either one year ahead or oneyear behind in their own
celebrations.
You know, like I just went to anevent and face reality is

(38:59):
celebrating their 20thanniversary.
And I think there are severalnext year that are also
celebrating big milestones.
So we're just gonna go back todoing that, celebrating others
and bringing as much advancedcontinuing education as we can
and and uh reaching as manyprofessionals in this industry
that that we can to make adifference.

SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
More practicality, I think, is a way less
celebratory, more practicality.

SPEAKER_02 (39:25):
Well, and Dorian, you know what, you make a good
point.
And I know, you know, in otherpodcasts we've had this
conversation and we've all hadthis conversation.
It's almost like kind of goingfull circle and back to basics
again.
And you know what, and there'sthere's so many professionals,
whether they're brand new to theprofession or you know what,
whether they've been out therefor a long time in their season,

(39:47):
but some of that back to thebasics and that solid education,
you know, we we got so far aheadwith all this amazing new
technology and this and that.

SPEAKER_03 (39:57):
AI and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Yeah, yeah, that you know what, it's almost getting a
little bit of a little moregrounding.
I guess that's the word I'mlooking for.
A little a little more groundingis what people are looking for.
And I have to tell you, I see itmore and more, you know, and
Amanda thinking about the youknow, the internet and the
internet, I'm finding more andmore people are picking up hard
copies of the code.
Yeah, I'd love to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
I was gonna mention that you were talking a minute
ago, can't remember what it was,but it that kind of it triggered
a thought in my head.
But yeah, I think that that weexperienced that with COVID.
I think that a lot of theindustry, you know, the world
obviously had a hard timepivoting.
I think that was the year, thethe word of the year for 2020.

(40:41):
And I think for us, I don'tthink we so much as pivoted in
the traditional sense.
I think we more just leaned intoour audience and we just did
what we do best.
We just did it a hundred timesharder and a hundred times
faster during that time period.
And our print subscriptionsgrew.
I would say if you look at theline of you know, our

(41:03):
subscribers, like there wasn't adramatic increase in the year of
2020, and they are what kept usgoing.
Our advertisers and the brandsthat were there, you know, that
Dorian kind of hit on thatearlier.
We didn't get to do a lot of thestuff that we wanted to do in
the magazine for our 45th.
And a lot of that was becauseunderstandably, you know,

(41:23):
advertising is going to be oneof the first things that people
pause during a recession, youknow, it's very common.
And so that was kind of like alittle bit of the shift that we
had to do in terms of the theNovember 2020 issue.
But yeah, in in terms ofreadership print magazines, I
mean, it's it's going great.
People, I think it's just ourindustry.
I think that we, if you know, ifwe were a continuing education

(41:45):
magazine for technology, yeah,you know, we we'd probably be
off of the print and fullydigital now.
But I think that because we'rein such a hands-on personal
industry, the print is justalways going to be something
that they prefer over, you know,flipping the magazine on their
their iPhones.

SPEAKER_02 (42:03):
Yep, absolutely.
All right, so I'm gonna make youguys play a game with me now.
But before we do that, is thereanything that either of you want
to share with our audience thatwe didn't talk about or that I
didn't ask that you'd like toget out there?

SPEAKER_01 (42:18):
I think I would just like to say that this 50 years
is we again we used this wholehour to talk about dermoscope
and to talk about uscelebrating.
But I think that I just wantedto say just a humongous thank
you to absolutely everybody thathas ever been involved with
Dermoscope, contributed toDermoscope, invested, you know,
with Dermoscope, and and thenjust even, you know, down to

(42:42):
with our employees and Michelle,you just doing everything that
you have done for us and beenwith us over all of these years,
especially these last seven havebeen a huge, huge, huge deal for
me.
So yeah, that's I think that'show I want to end things, is
just by saying it from thebottom of my heart, like a thank
you to this entire industry justfor allowing Dermoscope just to

(43:03):
still continue to be here withall of the aestheticians and to
help grow everybody's practices.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I would also like to add,Michelle.
Yes, that her mic is on.
As a little side note, yeah, soso whenever Dorian, this was a a

(43:23):
ways back, but we're likeplanning our November episode
for the podcast, and I was like,hey, hey, hey, like I want dibs,
like I mean, I want to beinvolved with the November one
because I want it to be ananniversary one.
I want one, you know, so I toldher I said, I want one of our
guests for November to be superhistoric, respected, yeah.
Very, you know, firstgeneration.

(43:43):
Like I wanted like a really,really good guest for November.
And I said, and then as forMichelle's second episode, I
want us to be on it and I wantto talk about the magazine.
And it's like our last littlething.
We talk about the party and allthat stuff, right?
So Dorian says, Okay, yeah, gotit.
And then it was last week, andshe was like, Oh, remember the
podcast.
And I was like, What podcast?
What are you talking about?
And then she said all she neededto do was the game.

(44:04):
And I said, Dorian, this is notfair for you to be part of the
behind the scenes of the game.
And so, my I'm remembering nowwhen y'all started and y'all
said Evelyn thought that I hadthe idea.
My idea and what I told Evelynjust came to my head was that
Dorian and I should be the onesmaking you play a game because
you never have to play one.

(44:26):
I'm hearing you talk.
I realized that the girls didnot follow that serious idea.

SPEAKER_02 (44:32):
I'm assuming.
I would disconnect right now.
Sorry, sorry, my internet wentout.

SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
And no game for the anniversary episode.

SPEAKER_01 (44:42):
All right, go for it.
What kind of game are weplaying?

SPEAKER_02 (44:45):
So um, I've got a whole list of questions.
And Amanda, I'm gonna start withyou.
I'm gonna go to Dorian secondly,and they're quickfire prompts.
It all connects to 50thanniversary, but you literally
have 15 seconds or less toanswer the question.
Okay.
Okay.
All right, Amanda, you're first.
You're and I think I even knowthe answer to this one.
I could do this.
Your most surreal moment of thegolden gala.

SPEAKER_01 (45:07):
Uh, being sober the entire time.

SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
Well, that was impressive.
Congratulations.

unknown (45:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (45:14):
Yeah, we tried it on for 2025.
It fits me pretty well.

SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
Good girl.
Dorian.
Dorian, one word to describe howthe November issue feels.

SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
Proud?
Proud uh pride?

SPEAKER_02 (45:28):
Yes, prideful.
Was that a question?
Or Amanda, you can only keep onethe November issue, the golden
gala, or the icon awards.

SPEAKER_01 (45:44):
Ooh.
Ooh.
That's so hard.
The well, I mean the gala, ofcourse, because you know, then
you get to talk to everybody andhang out with everybody.
So yeah, that was and yeah, yep.
But they're all great.
And by the way, we didn't get totalk about the icon awards at
all.
No.
Where were those in these notes?
Okay.
So I kind of want to talk aboutthat quickly.

(46:04):
I thought it was something fun.
This was kind of something elsethat we did.
You look like you own thisthing.
I mean, come on now.
It's timeout.
We're going back.
Anyway, um, no, I want to talkabout the icon awards for a
minute because it was somethingthat we kind of did that was
really unexpected and not likeanything that we've done in the
past.
And so I'm sure our readers oranybody listening is familiar

(46:27):
with our ACA awards.
And those are all product, we'vebeen doing that for 11, 12 years
now.
And, you know, those are allreader, basically they're reader
choice awards, aestheticians'choice awards.
And so we've been doing that.
Great, love it.
Um, super fun.
We do it every spring.
Um, but what for our for ourparty?
I told the girls, I said, I wantto do some awards for this party

(46:49):
for the gala.
I was like, but I don't want itto be these like super heavy,
like, oh best eye cream of alltime, or groundbreaking mask and
treatment.
So I told him, I said, I want itto be something more for the
brand as a whole, because wedon't do that in our ACAs, or I
want it to be something veryspecific for that individual.

(47:11):
And so I don't want to go intothe details because I don't
remember them, but I know thatwe came up with some really,
really great, fun, like Taizo 1Best Desert Island brand, or
something like that.
Like we made these really funthings to support and and and
feel engaged.
And we presented all of those atthe anniversary gala, and it was

(47:33):
just it was so much fun.
So, anyway, now to answer yourquestion, I still choose the
gala because I included the iconawards.

SPEAKER_03 (47:39):
It is all recapped in the November issue.
So, listeners, you you can getthe details.
We were not gonna leave youhanging.

SPEAKER_02 (47:46):
Right.
Okay, so Dorian, the mostchaotic part of planning
anything 50th related, thecovers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
It's you know, it's it's hard.
And I'll also say this forDorian.
I knew what we were asking wasgonna be a big thing because,
you know, in the publishingworld, you it is a very wise
decision to keep your editorialand your sales teams completely
separate.
Otherwise, lots of wires can getcrossed in terms of, you know,

(48:17):
what you're really there to do.
And the sales team is there topromote the brands and the
editorial team is there to keepthe integrity.
And and I knew that by us havingthese sponsors all year and by
offering to do a cover story onthem, and you know, that's a
couple page article in themagazine, those lines were going
to be blurred, and Dorian andher team, they were gonna be

(48:38):
getting a little bit morecontent to be sorting through
and collecting and proofing thannormal.
And so that by itself, the factthat Dorian and her team were
able to do so many of thesesponsored covers, she should
have had like two assistantsjust for this year because of
it.
So, yes, I I knew that's exactlywhat her answer was gonna be.

(48:59):
I like the came together.

SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
That's because you're so amazing, Dorian.

SPEAKER_03 (49:04):
Oh, thank you.
That's it.
But do you want to keep talkingabout that or should we just
call it we're done?

SPEAKER_02 (49:10):
See you later, everybody.
All right, a couple morequestions.
Amanda, a trend or a topic from1975 that could make a comeback?

SPEAKER_01 (49:19):
Hmm.
Um that you've heard of.
I don't know, maybe a trend or acut.
Well, I mean, is this kind of ane is this me is softball or
softball?
Whatever.
It's too early.
Um, I was gonna say, I think,you know, maybe it's just
because the lecture I did thisweekend, but I my brain is on to
how aestheticians need to getback to like the hands-on

(49:42):
experience.
And I think that our industryhas kind of started going more
tech and more skin scanners andmore hydroderm abrasion type
thing, yeah, more machine-based.
And and I think thataestheticians in this industry,
we need to remember what makesus different and why when AI and
robots take over the world in 20years, like how that's not going

(50:02):
to be them taking overaestheticians.
And the reason why is becausemost are natural empaths and
most have these connections withtheir clients, and you have that
actual hands-on touch andexperience.
And so I think that going into2026 and beyond, I think that
that's what aestheticians needto remember and and why

(50:24):
technology and all that stuff isgreat, but we need to get back
to the basics, back to 1975 andwhy we all started.
And that is that personalrelationship between your client
and the aesthetician.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (50:36):
Okay.
Um, so Dorian, if Thermoscopes50th were a skincare ingredient,
what would it be?

SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
It'll have to be below mandalic acid, because it
does everything and everyoneloves it.
And it's one of my favoriteingredients, and it can, yeah,
it like makes the product.
So yeah, mandalic acid.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:00):
All right.
Dorian, I'm gonna give you thisnext question and then I'm gonna
end with Amanda.
Are you ready?
Yeah.
The biggest we actually pulledit off moment.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
Do not answer that.
I'm just kidding.
Um, all right, Amanda, do youwant that question?
Yes.
Um moment, our 50th.
I mean, I think that our partyand just everything, it was a
really big deal.
And and, you know, I knoweverybody, you know, circadia
does four parties a year at allthe trade shows and everything.

(51:33):
And and and and the idea of it,of just throwing a party, yeah,
you know, no big deal.
But the amount of effort and theamount of attention to detail
that these girls put in to beable to take our vision of it
and to be able to actually putit in to play and have everybody
in the industry see what we weretrying to create and it to work

(51:55):
and everybody just have fun andto be able to celebrate, blah,
blah.
I just think the whole thing.
I think the the party was just areally big deal.
Dermoscope has not done anin-person event in since I've
since I've known of it.
So that was just a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 (52:11):
Yeah.
Okay, I'm gonna this lastquestion I'm gonna actually ask
for both of you because thatfrom both of you, because I
think it might be a little bitdifferent.
Um, Dorian, the most sentimentalpart of creating the anniversary
issue.

SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
Oh, uh, I wrote like kind of a recap of the Golden
Gala.
And so one, I never really getto do like large scale writing
in the magazine.
If I do, it's like an introhere, conclusion here, a little
blurb here.
But this was it's not, it wasn'ta feature article, but it is a
longer article.
So um obviously we recap likeall the you know, the little

(52:43):
details and what you know, wewanted to give the reader a feel
like that they were walkingthrough the party.
But in kind of the conclusion, Istarted to dip into my
sentimental was uh rereading it,I was like, wow, it's just it's
so different from when I'vestarted.
And you walk into a new job andyou don't know who these women
are, you don't, you know, youdon't you understand the

(53:05):
industry, you grasp it, but youdon't know the details.
And here we are five later, youknow, five years later.
And me, man, and Becky are kindof our little trio, and like,
you know, we've seen each otherat you know very highs and we've
seen each other at very lows.
And that party, we kind of allcame together, and it was just
kind of like we did it.

(53:26):
We we created something new forourselves that we're proud of,
and that it matters.
It's not just, you know, oh,well, we think we did a pretty
good, at least pat ourselves onthe back.
Like, no, we saw this whole hugegroup of people, and it wasn't,
it was, you know, everybody fromthe esthetician that's in the
treatment room to the celebrityesthetician who came and of

(53:46):
course had to pay her respectsbecause of how much she loves
stermascopes.
So it was, yeah, definitely thatarticle that I was like, we made
it, we've done something.
This is this is a big deal.
So awesome.
Amanda, how about for you?

SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
I think probably hearing that.
I think that was yeah, I thinkthat was really sweet.
I think just even, you know,just seeing how much Dorian has
come in the past five years andhow much like it has changed
dermoscope and how much we havegrown.
I think, yeah, just the wholeyear in general is a huge deal.
But yeah, that was verysentimental.
That was very sweet.

SPEAKER_02 (54:19):
I again, Amanda, kudos to you.
You've created an amazing team.
And that's thanks to the to theleader that you are for all of
them.
And I I'm just like I saidearlier, I'm so proud of you.
Thank you.
So proud of all of you.
And you know what?
Super proud to be part of this.
I mean, it's been a long time,and I've I've there's never been
a moment that I would not wantto be a part of Dermoscope and

(54:42):
AIA and everything that we do.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
No, and thank you.
And and like I said a minuteago, but your presence too is
just it never goes unnoticed.
I appreciate it so much.
I love having you on as ourpodcast host and just your
involvement with AIA andeverything that we'll be doing
with that in 2026.
It's just we love having youwith us and we love, we love
partnering with you.
So thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_02 (55:07):
Was that foreshadowing right there?

SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
Oh, yeah.
That was you verbally justsigning in the next thing you're
like.

unknown (55:13):
Done.

SPEAKER_01 (55:15):
I got it.

SPEAKER_02 (55:17):
All right, ladies.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Thank you, thank you, thank youso much.
This has just been a great, alittle over an hour together, an
hour together.
To all of our listeners outthere, thank you so much for
committing to us, for committingto listening to us.
Um, this was the aestheticreport by Dermoscope.
We are thrilled to have had allof you here with us, and we'll
talk to you real soon.

(55:38):
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