November 4, 2025 • 30 mins
A storm only looks like weather until it hits your team. We explore how one intense night in John 13–17 becomes a field guide for modern leadership under pressure: power that kneels, pruning that strengthens, and unity that endures. We start with the moment Jesus washes feet—a vivid picture of authority expressed through service—and translate it into daily practices leaders can use to build trust and influence. Expect concrete takeaways on modeling behaviors you want multiplied, designing roles that protect focus, and creating space where the best work can ripen.
Then we unpack the vine and branches: why pruning isn’t about loss, but about fruit. If you’ve wrestled with tough staffing calls, unclear responsibilities, or the chaos of “helpful” people working outside their lane, this conversation offers a humane framework. We share practical tools like 90‑day focus plans, boundary setting, and the “right seat” mindset, plus the hard truth that delayed decisions drain cultures. You’ll hear why hiring for attitude outperforms hiring for pedigree, and how “unity with candor” beats nice, vague teamwork every time.
We also address common questions about communion practices and how tradition can be reframed to renew purpose. Whether you fast before receiving or not, the point is remembrance that reshapes behavior—an idea leaders can apply by pairing rituals with reflection across their teams. We close with an invitation to find a church home and a circle that knows you, challenges you, and sends you. Storms will come. Strong roots—servant leadership, clear lanes, honest pruning, and real community—help you stand and bear fruit.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
Oh now, uh huh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
All righty, welcome to another exciting episode of
the Biblical Leadership Show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
What's up, Dr.
B?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Hey, Tim, how you doing today?
Ah, doing all right.
SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Oh my gosh, we're already in November.
SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
In November.
It's crazy.
I can't even.
SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
This year has gone by.
I can't even so fast.
It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
It's crazy.
Yes.
How fast it's going.
SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
It is really, yeah.
You know, and we're it's stillin the hurricane season.
And do you know how dohurricanes know where they're
going?
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
I do not know.
They look with their eye.
It's been some strong hurricaneshere in the last week, right?
You know, uh Melissa caused somehavoc in there.
I mean, it just acceleratedquickly.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
It's uh yeah, I can't believehurricane, but hurricane season
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goes into November.
SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Yeah, and so a couple years ago we were down at
Orange Beach, uh-huh.
Um, and uh it was HurricaneSally.
It was supposed to go to, Ithink, New Orleans, and all of a
sudden it just decided, nope,I'm not going to New Orleans.
I'm gonna hit Orange Beach.
And uh we were and uh there at afriend's condo, and man, it I
mean, I think it was only like acategory one or two.
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I can't imagine a categorythree, four, or five.
I just can't imagine the thedamage.
I mean, our car got total, butbut we were safe.
Um the building we were in, thewhole bottom floor, the glass
was just destroyed.
I mean, shattered.
Right.
And uh we go out on the beach uhtwo days later, and the sand
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dunes were just in a totallydifferent place.
I mean, it was crazy the forcethat a hurricane can have that
we don't even comprehend.
SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
Yeah, it's just uh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
I can't yeah, I can't imagine.
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
So I mean But they do use their eye to know where
they're going.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
All right.
Yeah, I I was uh, you know, wewere in last month, we were in
uh Boston.
We ran up to Boston.
I had to go up for some work upthere, and and there was a
nor'easter that came through andand just you know, internal
where my client was, it wasn'tuh wasn't too bad, right?
It was just rainy andeverything.
But you got up on the coast, westayed in his beach house,
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that's where he put us up at.
And it it sounded literally likea tornado for 48 hours just
because it was coming in so hardon the wind and the waves
crashing and everything.
It was it was uh reallyinteresting.
But I mean that's the thing,it's it just changes just a
little one like that changes thedunes, right?
Can't imagine these bighurricanes coming in and how
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they just you know.
You've seen the stories wherethey suck all the water out and
people are out walking.
I'm like, man, that's scared me,you know, because you know that
water's coming back.
I don't understand.
I'm like, uh no.
I'd be walking out real fastwith my metal detector and
seeing what I could find andthen getting back quick.
Putting my waders on, I mean mylife jacket on and letting it
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take me back to the boat, youknow, take me back to the shore.
So anyway, but yeah, it's it'sinteresting.
Going in, I mean, we we don'thave but what six weeks to six
or something, six weeks to yeah,but you know, we're talking
about hurricanes, and uh thatleads us right into the
discussion we're gonna talktoday because there's a big
storm coming.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Yeah.
Uh Jesus knows that.
He's getting to re uh you know,take uh the devil on, and um
obviously he wins, but did youhear that they arrested the day
of the the devil?
No one.
They got him on possession.
Anyway, so we're we're um we'regonna start.
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That was a good one.
SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
That was a good blending in there.
Dr.
Segway.
That's pretty good about Segwayin the end.
All right, good job.
unknown (04:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
So yeah, so just to catch everybody, we're we're
rolling into uh Chapter 13 inthe book of John.
Yeah.
And really uh what youmentioned, chapter 13 through 17
really is the the Focus on theLast Supper.
Focus on the Last Supper, andthat's what we're gonna sort of
talk about today and and putthat in in perspective.
And and like I say, this iswhere you know the there is a
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big storm coming, right?
You know, he has a lot, a lot ofchanges going on here.
SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
Yeah.
And so one of the things that'simportant to know about the Last
Supper, the story, you know, sothe book of John has 21
chapters, five chapters focus onone night of Jesus with his
disciples in the upper room.
That's how important thisparticular event is in the whole
scheme of the life of Jesus.
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Um he spends more time on itthan other uh gospel writers,
um, but it's because of theconversations that he has, not
just the communion or the LastSupper ritual of the Passover
meal.
And so there's some incredibleteaching there and uh the
prayer, the the priestly prayerthat Jesus prays in John chapter
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17.
Um, but we start out with uhJesus washing his disciples'
feet.
And so he's humbling himself.
Um he's he's saying, Hey, youknow, do this in remembrance of
me.
Uh I want to give an example forthe type of person and servant
that I want you to be.
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Um there's gonna be somechallenging times coming, um,
and he's trying to tell themthat.
Um but you still, no matter howdifficult it is, you still need
to be called to serve.
And uh so that's what he was youknow attempting to teach them.
I think that's um a good leaderum wants people to uh duplicate
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their actions.
They they they want to be a rolemodel for their longtime
employees, they want to be arole model for their new
employees.
Um we want to create leaders,right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
You know, we want to create leaders.
You know, and everybody wasalways worried about oh, if I
give them the power and this andI I empower that person to do
that, then that takes away frommine.
I can end up getting fired.
I'm I just I mean, if you're agood leader, you never even
think about that.
You think about how can I havethe best team around me.
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And uh, you know, I I'm always Ialways I can't even tell you how
many people I've helped canstart construction companies and
and help them.
Or if I don't have jobs that Ireally want to take on with a
client, I'll shoot them over tothem.
And uh it's just one of thosethings that uh uh it's just uh
from a leadership.
I mean, we we always want toempower, we want everybody to be
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successful.
SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
So yeah, and so let's just say, for example, you
have a a business, um, and let'sjust say that you make a
product, whatever that widgets,you know, whatever it makes.
Blue widgets.
Yeah, yeah, that's exactlyright.
You you want your accountingperson to be the best accounting
that they can be.
You want your um person thatbuys your supplies to be the
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best person they can be.
So the question is how do you dothat?
Um that might not be your uh,you know, expertise, but you you
still want someone to be thatperson.
You know, I I didn't have abackground in finance, um, but I
learned a lot about churchfinance from you know just doing
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doing the job for so many years.
But I wasn't a CPA.
I didn't know all the laws.
I knew a lot of them, but Ididn't know all of them.
So, but I wanted my businessmanager or my finance person to
be the best they could be.
Um, and and so the question ishow do we do that for each
person?
And I think what Jesus is sayinghere is you want a role model
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servanthood.
Um, you know, that we're thereto serve the people, uh, we're
there to serve our customers,we're there to serve our our
fellow workers.
How can we best do that?
So Jesus is setting example.
Um, and it basically he'sletting them know um in subtle
ways, they find out on Fridaythat he's he's he's gonna die,
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you know, he's crucified on thecross, but he's preparing them
to step up into the leadershiprole and to spread the his
message of love and forgivenessthroughout the world.
And so he's thinking, you know,you're gonna have some difficult
times coming forward, um, buteven in difficult times, you
still need to serve.
And so what a what a greatexample um that uh Jesus had,
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you know, and he did that 2,000years ago, and it I don't know
how long it took to to wash thedisciples' feet, but we still
remember that story.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Yeah, 100%.
He didn't just tell them, youknow, they washed each other's
feet.
He he did it by example, heshowed them, right?
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Yeah, yeah.
And so we go from that, then wego on to chapter 14 and 15.
And I think we were talking thisuh before the show um about
chapter 15, where Jesus talksabout I am the vine, you are the
branches.
Right, you know, and and uh, youknow, have to decide, do we do
we want more vine or do we wantfruit?
And and that is a really goodquestion that I think business
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people need to ask themselves,leaders need to ask themselves,
do I want um more fruit?
Do I want more productivity?
Do I want more of this or what?
How do I best do that?
And and so we were uh talking,Tim and I were talking before
the show is like sometimes youhave to prune in order to get be
more productive.
And and sometimes that pruningis uh letting someone go.
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And we've had to do that, bothof us have to do that.
It's never easy, even though youyou know, even though you know
the person and the person knowsthey're not doing their job to
let them go, it it's never beeneasy for me.
Um and uh have that compdifficult conversation.
So that's one way of pruning.
But another way of pruning,which might be uh used more
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often, is just in making surethat people stay in their lane,
you know.
Um you you want to tell thatstory?
I think it's a great story, it'sjust it's kind of a sad story,
but you know, it's a valuablelesson.
I think some of our listenersmight be uh appreciative of it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:43):
I have a buddy that you know, he's I I've watched
him get fired from probablythree jobs, and if he's
listening, he knows exactly whohe is, because I I've talked to
him about it, and he would go inand he's just he he's an
entrepreneur, and this this isbefore he actually developed his
own company and he got inbusiness for himself, but he
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would go to other people's andhe always tried to fix all the
bad things, right?
And uh, you know, the uhconstantly the CEO or the boss
would be like, We didn't hireyou to fix the company, we hired
you to do this.
You need to focus on this.
Ultimately, he would do that forabout a week.
He'd find something that wasbroken, he would try to fix it,
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and he would be fired two weekslater, right?
And then uh he'd go to the nextcompany and and he did.
And finally, I told him, I said,You just need to get in business
for yourself.
Because I mean, you have themindset of looking at the big
picture, it's very obviousyou're not just this this little
scope, and uh ultimately didhe's been successful and he's
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doing really good.
But I mean, yeah, he just he hedidn't stay in his lane at at
all.
And uh it it it it it polishedup the resume quite a bit, you
know, in in those times.
SPEAKER_02 (11:59):
So yeah, and so one of the ways uh that a leader can
prune um is is in helping peoplestay in their lane.
And there might need to be someyou know, blunt conversation
about job description, jobexpectations, there might need
to be a performance reviewwritten up, you know, those kind
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of plans or whatever you want tocall it, and say this is the
thing I want you to focus on forthe next 90 days, just this.
I don't want you to go outsidethese boundaries, these are the
boundaries.
Um, and if you you knowsuccessful in this over the next
90 days, then we'll talk aboutsome other things.
Um, but I've had employees thatyou could have that conversation
with, and like you said, withina week or two weeks, they're
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back to it.
And and so you have anotherconversation, um, and they'd be
fine for a couple of weeks, andthen they're outside their lane,
they're telling other people howto do their job, um, they're
criticizing them, you know.
It's like, uh no, we we justthat that person needs to go.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Yeah.
And um I said, you know, it'sthe person that's sitting there
with the drill drilling holes inthe boat, right?
I mean, there's only so manytimes you're gonna patch the
holes and tell him no, right?
Right.
So, you know, just stop put downa drill and stop drilling holes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
Yeah, and so the question for leaders uh are how
are you going to have morefruit, you know?
Um just think, for example, um,let's just think you're the
coach of a softball team, youknow?
It's winner leagues coming up,uh, and you just can't you just
for some reason there's a coupleof players that just don't seem
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to fit, or maybe they're notplaying good or whatever.
Maybe it's time to rearrange thelineup.
Maybe they're playing it in thewrong position, you know.
I I think I can't remember theguy's name right off the top of
my head, but you just have tomake sure everybody's not just
on the bus, but on the rightseat on the bus.
You know, and sometimes thattakes a while being with uh an
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organization to know, oh, thisperson was hired to do this, but
they really have gifts to dothis.
And so I'm going to shift theirjob description and and be able
to do that.
As a pastor, I had sometimes theability to shift some job
descriptions and really help thechurch ministry and the
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congregation because someone hadadded value that I didn't know
when we hired them, and theyreally accelerated in something.
Now they'd still do their job,but we'd have them do something
else as well, and and they wouldshine.
And so that's the question.
Do you want your employees to dothe best they can do with
something they love doing, butif that's something they love
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doing is criticizing others andalways finding fault, and uh
you've gotta you've gotta takehand matters and address that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
Yeah, I I just looked it up.
Uh Jim Collins in his good togreat 2001.
Um, you know, the first step isto get the right people on the
bus, the wrong people off thebus, and the right people in the
right seats, then figure outwhere to drive it.
And you know, that's one of thethings.
And it and it says, you know,um, you know, how it ties into
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leadership, you know, hire forcharacter, train for skill.
I I I have that in my emailsignature.
Hire for attitude, train foreverything else.
Because I think if I havesomebody that comes in and has
the right attitude, I'll giveyou the skills.
It's just I need somebody I Iwant to work with, somebody
that's willing to work and dothe thing.
I want that good attitude.
SPEAKER_02 (15:31):
And I think that's one of the things that Jesus was
trying to get across during thisLast Supper, and and that is
that um he wanted to make surethat these disciples stuck
together, um, that they weregonna be there was gonna be a
difficult road ahead.
Um Jesus knew what was coming,that he was going to be
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crucified, these disciples weregonna be left to spread the
message, but uh strength wasgonna be sticking together, not
going off.
Now, eventually, after a while,um they all went off to
different parts of the world anddid their ministry, but at the
beginning, Jesus wanted to besure that they stuck together,
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and so that was a real importantfactor in that.
He was encouraging them to betogether, you know, and uh he
even said, Hey, you know, youyou there might be a time when
you have to lay down your lifefor one another, um, and you
know, give your whole self toone another.
And uh the question is, are yougonna be willing to do that?
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And and um obviously they said,Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're willing
to do that.
And then, you know, twelve hourslater they abandon Jesus.
But I think over time theyrealize the value of being
together and and you know,relying upon each other's
strengths to shore them up.
And we see this in the um in thebook of books of um Paul in the
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New Testament, he's talkingabout encouraging one another.
And and so the question would beJesus was doing that, that's
part of the whole Last Supper.
It wasn't just about the breadand the wine.
Uh it was Jesus was encouragingthem as much as he could.
He knew he only had a couplehours to do this before he was
going to be arrested.
And um, and he was encouragingthe his disciples to stick
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together and um follow hisexample of being a good servant.
So um anyway, so those are thosefive chapters.
Um the if you haven't read Johnchapter 17 uh lately, I
encourage you to read it.
It's called the Great PriestlyPrayer of Jesus, and he's just
praying for um the hisfollowers, and so if you're not
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in the habit of doing that, Iencourage you to pray for your
your wisdom, pray for business,um, pray for your followers.
Um I I just think it's avaluable uh thing to a habit to
get into uh and pay benefits inthe long run.
SPEAKER_01 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Um on the uh the last supper,let's talk about this.
Yeah, sure.
Um and this has always had aquestion.
I I have uh I have like a I havea leadership here that I can
just ask questions to, right?
No problem.
Uh in communion, uh-huh, a lotof times they say fast until you
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go to the church to takecommunion.
Have you is that is that acertain religion or is it sort
of what that?
Because I, in turn, I alwayswanted to ask that question
because I've heard that manytimes, fast up until you take
communion and then do this inremembrance to me.
But in theory, Jesus didcommunion there after the Last
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Supper.
So they had to meet.
So it seemed like it was mixedfeelings there.
So I didn't know it.
I didn't know I've always wantedto ask that.
SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
Well, it's a tradition that some people
adhere to have for many, manyyears.
Um tradition that I grew up in,the Methodist Church, they they
did not observe that.
You're right, the Last Supper,Jesus took a meal that had been
going on for centuries and gaveit a new meaning.
Um and and so um, you know, hereis uh another leadership
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principle.
It's like you take somethingthat the company's been doing
for a long time and you tweak itto make it even more valuable
and have a new meaning.
And so, but um, but there aresome that say, okay, on the
morning, well, like Catholics,you can go to Mass every day if
you want to, right?
Or you can go once a week or youcan go Saturday night, Sunday
night, whatever.
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Um, and and uh they have along-standing tradition of doing
that for centuries and centuriesof having mass every day for
other denominations.
Um, they don't call it the Mass,they might call it the Eucharist
or Holy Communion or the Lord'sSupper or uh whatever name, but
the principle is the same, andthat is you're you're
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remembering the sacrifice thatJesus did on the cross, uh, that
we'll talk about next week.
And and uh and then you knowyou're thinking about okay, so
Jesus did this for me.
Um what am I gonna do to liveout that uh example that he has?
Um am I gonna follow it?
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Am I gonna not?
Um I I found forgiveness inthat.
Um and and so how am I gonnalive now that I've received this
grace and forgiveness that comesfrom God?
So so uh going back to yourquestion, um I would say not
there are very few um uh in thewhole uh denominational world um
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that would say, okay, the m theday you're gonna have you're
gonna go and get the mass orcommunion, that don't eat until
you get that and then fine.
But the vast majority of themdon't do that.
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
I'd heard that before.
I just I I hadn't really, youknow, because I grew up
Methodist as well, so it's I'veheard that, you know, through
you can't eat, it's it's it'swell it's communion.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
Okay, I think that's if people want to do, okay.
You know, I I don't choose tolive that that way.
Right.
You know, there have been timesI've fasted, but it's not like
okay, I'm I'm gonna fast, andthen but the the weeks we have
communion or the days we havecommunion, I'm gonna take that.
Um, but it's not but I I don'tdo what you just said.
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Right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Well that goes at my my wife grew up Catholic, so you
know where I probably heard itfrom, right?
You know, and but I just I I hadnever heard that, so I was like,
oh, I'm gonna ask Posey to seesee what his thoughts are on
this because I'd say if peoplewant to do that, you know,
that's their prerogative.
SPEAKER_02 (21:50):
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think it's arequirement, I don't think it's
necessary.
Right.
But if you feel no, I want to Iwant to fast, whatever that
means, until I take uh the themass or go to the mass or take
holy communion, okay.
I did my doctorate dissertationon holy communion because I just
think it's I even as a young uhchild, you know, growing up in
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the Methodist church inAlbuquerque, um, I was always
fascinated if I could help, if Iwas an acolyte helping serve
communion on those Sundays thatwe were doing it.
And and so that's always been aa fascinating thing for me and
an honor to serve.
Um, and I still feel that way.
And so um, yeah, I think it's afantastic uh thing that the
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church does.
Um and uh if it's if you're alistener and you haven't uh been
to church for a while, Iencourage you to go.
Um and um if the Holy Communionis something that was important
for you when you're growing up,I I encourage you to find a
church that celebrates that.
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Uh different denominationscelebrate at different
frequencies.
Um obviously the Catholic Churchcelebrates it every day.
Uh other churches do like everySunday, they might have it in
one of their services.
Some do it once a month, some doit once a quarter.
So if that's important to you,find out and and um go
participate.
I think you'll be blessed bydoing that.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
So yeah, yeah, 100%.
I I I think everybody needs tofind a good church.
And and and if you don't feelthen maybe, you know, if you
don't feel like this is theplace, keep looking, you know.
Yeah, keep looking.
I I know so many people that youknow uh I I we we just found a
great church, right?
But we bounced around um aftermy my my good Mr.
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Posey here retired.
I I started bouncing and webounced around probably five
different churches, but I thinkwe found our home now and
everything just sort of lockedin and and uh it's good.
So it's it's just one of thosethings that don't do it just
because, right?
You know, and uh find thatchurch and it really make a
world of difference.
SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Yeah, I think it will.
I think it will.
And the thing about it is youcan't just go one Sunday um and
and make a decision.
That's exactly right.
You know, you've you've got togo for a good month to say, is
this gonna be something notwhere I can just sit and listen,
but is this the church I want tobe involved with?
You know, I do I want to get toknow the people, I want to get
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to know uh the pastor, I want tovolunteer my time, um, I want to
support them financially.
Um, I want to, you know, beinvolved in, you know, this
group of people.
Do is that is this group ofpeople the one that I want to be
involved with?
And um sometimes you can find itimmediately, sometimes it takes
a while, but don't give up.
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If you need some help uh findinga church, uh just contact us at
biblical leadershipshow.com.
We'll do everything we can tohelp you narrow that search and
give you some suggestions uh inyour area.
Um and if it's out of state, um,which some of our listeners are,
we'll do everything we can.
I've got a network that I canwork with to find a church for
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you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:03):
And uh we have some international listeners.
Can we do international?
I don't know.
And and so, yeah, uh we'll helpyou.
SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
We'll help you.
Yeah.
All right.
So, you know, we uh got backfrom our trip uh about a week
and a half ago, almost two weeksago now.
Um and one of the things that Ienjoyed doing while um we were
gone was we were um playingcards.
I learned some new card games.
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Um, but one of the things thatwe did was um it was kind of
unusual.
Uh I was playing poker.
Um, and I was playing pokeragainst a cardboard cutout.
And you know what happened?
They folded.
SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Um I was trying to really think on that one.
I'm like, oh, this is up myalley here.
What we can figure out this one.
Oh, what a oh that's great.
SPEAKER_02 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so you got any you got anydad jokes there in your in your
repertoire?
SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
I I was just uh looking through and seeing what
I could find.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Okay, while you're looking, what do you call a
monster a mobster buried incement?
What do you call a mobsterburied in cement?
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Well, I mean, I don't want to say his name, but
how about a hardened criminal?
Nice.
What was the guy that they uhYeah, I don't know.
I forget his name.
The the guy that's where theysay he's under the stadium up
there, but when they weredemoing the stadium, they
couldn't find any the anyremnants of him.
So they think it was just mythand all that stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
So yeah.
Well, you got any jokes for usbefore we sign off the air?
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Oh man, I got no, I just no.
I I have to I have uh I no, no,I can get them, but they're over
there on my my over on the chairover there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:00):
So So we were one of the things that we did on our
trip, we went to visit ourdaughter who lives in the
eastern part of the UnitedStates, and and we were talking
and she wanted to go shopping.
I said, Okay, um, I'll goshopping, but I need to teach
you something.
And uh and she said, What do youneed?
I said, I need to teach you whata bargain means.
(27:21):
And after we shopped, she said,Thanks, Dad, that means a great
deal to me.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I like it.
Yeah, I just found some here.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_02 (27:34):
Oh, so so one of the things that we did with uh our
our daughter's uh boyfriend iswe binge watched The Hobbit and
uh the uh the the trilogy.
I mean, we watched so many hoursof just as he and I were just
watching, it was absolutelygreat.
Um and uh then we were gonnawatch this uh other movie.
(27:57):
I'm trying to remember what thename of it was, but it's a Laura
Croft movie.
Um I don't I don't remember thetitle of it.
Tomb Raider.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Tomb Raider.
SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
Tomb Raider.
Okay, but you know, um but whywas Laura Croft sad?
You know why Laura Croft wassad?
No, I do not because her careerwas in the ruins.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Oh I was on the train to work, and the conductor
told me I had to change had tocharge me extra for telling dad
jokes.
I told him that's not fair.
SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
That's not fair.
Oh, did you hear the story aboutthe tornado?
SPEAKER_01 (28:41):
Oh boy.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
There's a real twist at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (28:48):
I was going with the word spinning.
I couldn't figure it out.
All right, one more, and we'lllet the people go.
I I'll have to get better.
I was I was being lazy on thisshow.
I was like, I suppose he's gotlike 500,000 dad jokes here.
SPEAKER_02 (29:05):
Um but so why does water never laugh at dad jokes?
SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
Why is water never laughed at dad jokes?
Um I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (29:16):
Because it isn't a fan of dry humor.
SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
That's pretty good.
I'll give you that one.
I don't know.
Some of them hit me right.
So all right, guys.
Check us out biblical leadershipshow.com and uh send us some dad
jokes, send me some dad jokes.
Posey's got like he's got like500,000 dad jokes over there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:36):
We only have a hundred thousand.
SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
I need the dad jokes.
Email me your dad jokes, youknow, uh, and uh text me your
dad jokes there on the showprep.
Anyway, uh have a great day.
Um let us know if we needanything.
Uh we'll still put the offer outfor finding you a church home or
giving you advice, Dr.
E's been in this business for uhthe people business for For a
(30:00):
long time.
So he has a lot of knowledgethere to help you make and ask
the right questions.
So anyway, Dr.
P takes us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
Alright, thank you guys.
Oh now, uh huh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
All righty, welcome to another exciting episode of
the Biblical Leadership Show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
What's up, Dr.
B?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Hey, Tim, how you doing today?
Ah, doing all right.
SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Oh my gosh, we're already in November.
SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
In November.
It's crazy.
I can't even.
SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
This year has gone by.
I can't even so fast.
It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
It's crazy.
Yes.
How fast it's going.
SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
It is really, yeah.
You know, and we're it's stillin the hurricane season.
And do you know how dohurricanes know where they're
going?
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
I do not know.
They look with their eye.
It's been some strong hurricaneshere in the last week, right?
You know, uh Melissa caused somehavoc in there.
I mean, it just acceleratedquickly.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
It's uh yeah, I can't believehurricane, but hurricane season
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goes into November.
SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Yeah, and so a couple years ago we were down at
Orange Beach, uh-huh.
Um, and uh it was HurricaneSally.
It was supposed to go to, Ithink, New Orleans, and all of a
sudden it just decided, nope,I'm not going to New Orleans.
I'm gonna hit Orange Beach.
And uh we were and uh there at afriend's condo, and man, it I
mean, I think it was only like acategory one or two.
(01:50):
I can't imagine a categorythree, four, or five.
I just can't imagine the thedamage.
I mean, our car got total, butbut we were safe.
Um the building we were in, thewhole bottom floor, the glass
was just destroyed.
I mean, shattered.
Right.
And uh we go out on the beach uhtwo days later, and the sand
(02:11):
dunes were just in a totallydifferent place.
I mean, it was crazy the forcethat a hurricane can have that
we don't even comprehend.
SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
Yeah, it's just uh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
I can't yeah, I can't imagine.
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
So I mean But they do use their eye to know where
they're going.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
All right.
Yeah, I I was uh, you know, wewere in last month, we were in
uh Boston.
We ran up to Boston.
I had to go up for some work upthere, and and there was a
nor'easter that came through andand just you know, internal
where my client was, it wasn'tuh wasn't too bad, right?
It was just rainy andeverything.
But you got up on the coast, westayed in his beach house,
(02:50):
that's where he put us up at.
And it it sounded literally likea tornado for 48 hours just
because it was coming in so hardon the wind and the waves
crashing and everything.
It was it was uh reallyinteresting.
But I mean that's the thing,it's it just changes just a
little one like that changes thedunes, right?
Can't imagine these bighurricanes coming in and how
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they just you know.
You've seen the stories wherethey suck all the water out and
people are out walking.
I'm like, man, that's scared me,you know, because you know that
water's coming back.
I don't understand.
I'm like, uh no.
I'd be walking out real fastwith my metal detector and
seeing what I could find andthen getting back quick.
Putting my waders on, I mean mylife jacket on and letting it
(03:31):
take me back to the boat, youknow, take me back to the shore.
So anyway, but yeah, it's it'sinteresting.
Going in, I mean, we we don'thave but what six weeks to six
or something, six weeks to yeah,but you know, we're talking
about hurricanes, and uh thatleads us right into the
discussion we're gonna talktoday because there's a big
storm coming.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Yeah.
Uh Jesus knows that.
He's getting to re uh you know,take uh the devil on, and um
obviously he wins, but did youhear that they arrested the day
of the the devil?
No one.
They got him on possession.
Anyway, so we're we're um we'regonna start.
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That was a good one.
SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
That was a good blending in there.
Dr.
Segway.
That's pretty good about Segwayin the end.
All right, good job.
unknown (04:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
So yeah, so just to catch everybody, we're we're
rolling into uh Chapter 13 inthe book of John.
Yeah.
And really uh what youmentioned, chapter 13 through 17
really is the the Focus on theLast Supper.
Focus on the Last Supper, andthat's what we're gonna sort of
talk about today and and putthat in in perspective.
And and like I say, this iswhere you know the there is a
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big storm coming, right?
You know, he has a lot, a lot ofchanges going on here.
SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
Yeah.
And so one of the things that'simportant to know about the Last
Supper, the story, you know, sothe book of John has 21
chapters, five chapters focus onone night of Jesus with his
disciples in the upper room.
That's how important thisparticular event is in the whole
scheme of the life of Jesus.
(05:08):
Um he spends more time on itthan other uh gospel writers,
um, but it's because of theconversations that he has, not
just the communion or the LastSupper ritual of the Passover
meal.
And so there's some incredibleteaching there and uh the
prayer, the the priestly prayerthat Jesus prays in John chapter
(05:31):
17.
Um, but we start out with uhJesus washing his disciples'
feet.
And so he's humbling himself.
Um he's he's saying, Hey, youknow, do this in remembrance of
me.
Uh I want to give an example forthe type of person and servant
that I want you to be.
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Um there's gonna be somechallenging times coming, um,
and he's trying to tell themthat.
Um but you still, no matter howdifficult it is, you still need
to be called to serve.
And uh so that's what he was youknow attempting to teach them.
I think that's um a good leaderum wants people to uh duplicate
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their actions.
They they they want to be a rolemodel for their longtime
employees, they want to be arole model for their new
employees.
Um we want to create leaders,right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
You know, we want to create leaders.
You know, and everybody wasalways worried about oh, if I
give them the power and this andI I empower that person to do
that, then that takes away frommine.
I can end up getting fired.
I'm I just I mean, if you're agood leader, you never even
think about that.
You think about how can I havethe best team around me.
(06:51):
And uh, you know, I I'm always Ialways I can't even tell you how
many people I've helped canstart construction companies and
and help them.
Or if I don't have jobs that Ireally want to take on with a
client, I'll shoot them over tothem.
And uh it's just one of thosethings that uh uh it's just uh
from a leadership.
I mean, we we always want toempower, we want everybody to be
(07:13):
successful.
SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
So yeah, and so let's just say, for example, you
have a a business, um, and let'sjust say that you make a
product, whatever that widgets,you know, whatever it makes.
Blue widgets.
Yeah, yeah, that's exactlyright.
You you want your accountingperson to be the best accounting
that they can be.
You want your um person thatbuys your supplies to be the
(07:35):
best person they can be.
So the question is how do you dothat?
Um that might not be your uh,you know, expertise, but you you
still want someone to be thatperson.
You know, I I didn't have abackground in finance, um, but I
learned a lot about churchfinance from you know just doing
(07:56):
doing the job for so many years.
But I wasn't a CPA.
I didn't know all the laws.
I knew a lot of them, but Ididn't know all of them.
So, but I wanted my businessmanager or my finance person to
be the best they could be.
Um, and and so the question ishow do we do that for each
person?
And I think what Jesus is sayinghere is you want a role model
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servanthood.
Um, you know, that we're thereto serve the people, uh, we're
there to serve our customers,we're there to serve our our
fellow workers.
How can we best do that?
So Jesus is setting example.
Um, and it basically he'sletting them know um in subtle
ways, they find out on Fridaythat he's he's he's gonna die,
(08:39):
you know, he's crucified on thecross, but he's preparing them
to step up into the leadershiprole and to spread the his
message of love and forgivenessthroughout the world.
And so he's thinking, you know,you're gonna have some difficult
times coming forward, um, buteven in difficult times, you
still need to serve.
And so what a what a greatexample um that uh Jesus had,
(09:03):
you know, and he did that 2,000years ago, and it I don't know
how long it took to to wash thedisciples' feet, but we still
remember that story.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Yeah, 100%.
He didn't just tell them, youknow, they washed each other's
feet.
He he did it by example, heshowed them, right?
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Yeah, yeah.
And so we go from that, then wego on to chapter 14 and 15.
And I think we were talking thisuh before the show um about
chapter 15, where Jesus talksabout I am the vine, you are the
branches.
Right, you know, and and uh, youknow, have to decide, do we do
we want more vine or do we wantfruit?
And and that is a really goodquestion that I think business
(09:43):
people need to ask themselves,leaders need to ask themselves,
do I want um more fruit?
Do I want more productivity?
Do I want more of this or what?
How do I best do that?
And and so we were uh talking,Tim and I were talking before
the show is like sometimes youhave to prune in order to get be
more productive.
And and sometimes that pruningis uh letting someone go.
(10:07):
And we've had to do that, bothof us have to do that.
It's never easy, even though youyou know, even though you know
the person and the person knowsthey're not doing their job to
let them go, it it's never beeneasy for me.
Um and uh have that compdifficult conversation.
So that's one way of pruning.
But another way of pruning,which might be uh used more
(10:28):
often, is just in making surethat people stay in their lane,
you know.
Um you you want to tell thatstory?
I think it's a great story, it'sjust it's kind of a sad story,
but you know, it's a valuablelesson.
I think some of our listenersmight be uh appreciative of it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:43):
I have a buddy that you know, he's I I've watched
him get fired from probablythree jobs, and if he's
listening, he knows exactly whohe is, because I I've talked to
him about it, and he would go inand he's just he he's an
entrepreneur, and this this isbefore he actually developed his
own company and he got inbusiness for himself, but he
(11:04):
would go to other people's andhe always tried to fix all the
bad things, right?
And uh, you know, the uhconstantly the CEO or the boss
would be like, We didn't hireyou to fix the company, we hired
you to do this.
You need to focus on this.
Ultimately, he would do that forabout a week.
He'd find something that wasbroken, he would try to fix it,
(11:26):
and he would be fired two weekslater, right?
And then uh he'd go to the nextcompany and and he did.
And finally, I told him, I said,You just need to get in business
for yourself.
Because I mean, you have themindset of looking at the big
picture, it's very obviousyou're not just this this little
scope, and uh ultimately didhe's been successful and he's
(11:46):
doing really good.
But I mean, yeah, he just he hedidn't stay in his lane at at
all.
And uh it it it it it polishedup the resume quite a bit, you
know, in in those times.
SPEAKER_02 (11:59):
So yeah, and so one of the ways uh that a leader can
prune um is is in helping peoplestay in their lane.
And there might need to be someyou know, blunt conversation
about job description, jobexpectations, there might need
to be a performance reviewwritten up, you know, those kind
(12:20):
of plans or whatever you want tocall it, and say this is the
thing I want you to focus on forthe next 90 days, just this.
I don't want you to go outsidethese boundaries, these are the
boundaries.
Um, and if you you knowsuccessful in this over the next
90 days, then we'll talk aboutsome other things.
Um, but I've had employees thatyou could have that conversation
with, and like you said, withina week or two weeks, they're
(12:43):
back to it.
And and so you have anotherconversation, um, and they'd be
fine for a couple of weeks, andthen they're outside their lane,
they're telling other people howto do their job, um, they're
criticizing them, you know.
It's like, uh no, we we justthat that person needs to go.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Yeah.
And um I said, you know, it'sthe person that's sitting there
with the drill drilling holes inthe boat, right?
I mean, there's only so manytimes you're gonna patch the
holes and tell him no, right?
Right.
So, you know, just stop put downa drill and stop drilling holes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
Yeah, and so the question for leaders uh are how
are you going to have morefruit, you know?
Um just think, for example, um,let's just think you're the
coach of a softball team, youknow?
It's winner leagues coming up,uh, and you just can't you just
for some reason there's a coupleof players that just don't seem
(13:37):
to fit, or maybe they're notplaying good or whatever.
Maybe it's time to rearrange thelineup.
Maybe they're playing it in thewrong position, you know.
I I think I can't remember theguy's name right off the top of
my head, but you just have tomake sure everybody's not just
on the bus, but on the rightseat on the bus.
You know, and sometimes thattakes a while being with uh an
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organization to know, oh, thisperson was hired to do this, but
they really have gifts to dothis.
And so I'm going to shift theirjob description and and be able
to do that.
As a pastor, I had sometimes theability to shift some job
descriptions and really help thechurch ministry and the
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congregation because someone hadadded value that I didn't know
when we hired them, and theyreally accelerated in something.
Now they'd still do their job,but we'd have them do something
else as well, and and they wouldshine.
And so that's the question.
Do you want your employees to dothe best they can do with
something they love doing, butif that's something they love
(14:44):
doing is criticizing others andalways finding fault, and uh
you've gotta you've gotta takehand matters and address that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
Yeah, I I just looked it up.
Uh Jim Collins in his good togreat 2001.
Um, you know, the first step isto get the right people on the
bus, the wrong people off thebus, and the right people in the
right seats, then figure outwhere to drive it.
And you know, that's one of thethings.
And it and it says, you know,um, you know, how it ties into
(15:11):
leadership, you know, hire forcharacter, train for skill.
I I I have that in my emailsignature.
Hire for attitude, train foreverything else.
Because I think if I havesomebody that comes in and has
the right attitude, I'll giveyou the skills.
It's just I need somebody I Iwant to work with, somebody
that's willing to work and dothe thing.
I want that good attitude.
SPEAKER_02 (15:31):
And I think that's one of the things that Jesus was
trying to get across during thisLast Supper, and and that is
that um he wanted to make surethat these disciples stuck
together, um, that they weregonna be there was gonna be a
difficult road ahead.
Um Jesus knew what was coming,that he was going to be
(15:54):
crucified, these disciples weregonna be left to spread the
message, but uh strength wasgonna be sticking together, not
going off.
Now, eventually, after a while,um they all went off to
different parts of the world anddid their ministry, but at the
beginning, Jesus wanted to besure that they stuck together,
(16:17):
and so that was a real importantfactor in that.
He was encouraging them to betogether, you know, and uh he
even said, Hey, you know, youyou there might be a time when
you have to lay down your lifefor one another, um, and you
know, give your whole self toone another.
And uh the question is, are yougonna be willing to do that?
(16:37):
And and um obviously they said,Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're willing
to do that.
And then, you know, twelve hourslater they abandon Jesus.
But I think over time theyrealize the value of being
together and and you know,relying upon each other's
strengths to shore them up.
And we see this in the um in thebook of books of um Paul in the
(17:00):
New Testament, he's talkingabout encouraging one another.
And and so the question would beJesus was doing that, that's
part of the whole Last Supper.
It wasn't just about the breadand the wine.
Uh it was Jesus was encouragingthem as much as he could.
He knew he only had a couplehours to do this before he was
going to be arrested.
And um, and he was encouragingthe his disciples to stick
(17:25):
together and um follow hisexample of being a good servant.
So um anyway, so those are thosefive chapters.
Um the if you haven't read Johnchapter 17 uh lately, I
encourage you to read it.
It's called the Great PriestlyPrayer of Jesus, and he's just
praying for um the hisfollowers, and so if you're not
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in the habit of doing that, Iencourage you to pray for your
your wisdom, pray for business,um, pray for your followers.
Um I I just think it's avaluable uh thing to a habit to
get into uh and pay benefits inthe long run.
SPEAKER_01 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Um on the uh the last supper,let's talk about this.
Yeah, sure.
Um and this has always had aquestion.
I I have uh I have like a I havea leadership here that I can
just ask questions to, right?
No problem.
Uh in communion, uh-huh, a lotof times they say fast until you
(18:29):
go to the church to takecommunion.
Have you is that is that acertain religion or is it sort
of what that?
Because I, in turn, I alwayswanted to ask that question
because I've heard that manytimes, fast up until you take
communion and then do this inremembrance to me.
But in theory, Jesus didcommunion there after the Last
(18:49):
Supper.
So they had to meet.
So it seemed like it was mixedfeelings there.
So I didn't know it.
I didn't know I've always wantedto ask that.
SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
Well, it's a tradition that some people
adhere to have for many, manyyears.
Um tradition that I grew up in,the Methodist Church, they they
did not observe that.
You're right, the Last Supper,Jesus took a meal that had been
going on for centuries and gaveit a new meaning.
Um and and so um, you know, hereis uh another leadership
(19:22):
principle.
It's like you take somethingthat the company's been doing
for a long time and you tweak itto make it even more valuable
and have a new meaning.
And so, but um, but there aresome that say, okay, on the
morning, well, like Catholics,you can go to Mass every day if
you want to, right?
Or you can go once a week or youcan go Saturday night, Sunday
night, whatever.
(19:43):
Um, and and uh they have along-standing tradition of doing
that for centuries and centuriesof having mass every day for
other denominations.
Um, they don't call it the Mass,they might call it the Eucharist
or Holy Communion or the Lord'sSupper or uh whatever name, but
the principle is the same, andthat is you're you're
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remembering the sacrifice thatJesus did on the cross, uh, that
we'll talk about next week.
And and uh and then you knowyou're thinking about okay, so
Jesus did this for me.
Um what am I gonna do to liveout that uh example that he has?
Um am I gonna follow it?
(20:26):
Am I gonna not?
Um I I found forgiveness inthat.
Um and and so how am I gonnalive now that I've received this
grace and forgiveness that comesfrom God?
So so uh going back to yourquestion, um I would say not
there are very few um uh in thewhole uh denominational world um
(20:51):
that would say, okay, the m theday you're gonna have you're
gonna go and get the mass orcommunion, that don't eat until
you get that and then fine.
But the vast majority of themdon't do that.
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
I'd heard that before.
I just I I hadn't really, youknow, because I grew up
Methodist as well, so it's I'veheard that, you know, through
you can't eat, it's it's it'swell it's communion.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
Okay, I think that's if people want to do, okay.
You know, I I don't choose tolive that that way.
Right.
You know, there have been timesI've fasted, but it's not like
okay, I'm I'm gonna fast, andthen but the the weeks we have
communion or the days we havecommunion, I'm gonna take that.
Um, but it's not but I I don'tdo what you just said.
(21:36):
Right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Well that goes at my my wife grew up Catholic, so you
know where I probably heard itfrom, right?
You know, and but I just I I hadnever heard that, so I was like,
oh, I'm gonna ask Posey to seesee what his thoughts are on
this because I'd say if peoplewant to do that, you know,
that's their prerogative.
SPEAKER_02 (21:50):
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think it's arequirement, I don't think it's
necessary.
Right.
But if you feel no, I want to Iwant to fast, whatever that
means, until I take uh the themass or go to the mass or take
holy communion, okay.
I did my doctorate dissertationon holy communion because I just
think it's I even as a young uhchild, you know, growing up in
(22:10):
the Methodist church inAlbuquerque, um, I was always
fascinated if I could help, if Iwas an acolyte helping serve
communion on those Sundays thatwe were doing it.
And and so that's always been aa fascinating thing for me and
an honor to serve.
Um, and I still feel that way.
And so um, yeah, I think it's afantastic uh thing that the
(22:34):
church does.
Um and uh if it's if you're alistener and you haven't uh been
to church for a while, Iencourage you to go.
Um and um if the Holy Communionis something that was important
for you when you're growing up,I I encourage you to find a
church that celebrates that.
(22:54):
Uh different denominationscelebrate at different
frequencies.
Um obviously the Catholic Churchcelebrates it every day.
Uh other churches do like everySunday, they might have it in
one of their services.
Some do it once a month, some doit once a quarter.
So if that's important to you,find out and and um go
participate.
I think you'll be blessed bydoing that.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
So yeah, yeah, 100%.
I I I think everybody needs tofind a good church.
And and and if you don't feelthen maybe, you know, if you
don't feel like this is theplace, keep looking, you know.
Yeah, keep looking.
I I know so many people that youknow uh I I we we just found a
great church, right?
But we bounced around um aftermy my my good Mr.
(23:40):
Posey here retired.
I I started bouncing and webounced around probably five
different churches, but I thinkwe found our home now and
everything just sort of lockedin and and uh it's good.
So it's it's just one of thosethings that don't do it just
because, right?
You know, and uh find thatchurch and it really make a
world of difference.
SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Yeah, I think it will.
I think it will.
And the thing about it is youcan't just go one Sunday um and
and make a decision.
That's exactly right.
You know, you've you've got togo for a good month to say, is
this gonna be something notwhere I can just sit and listen,
but is this the church I want tobe involved with?
You know, I do I want to get toknow the people, I want to get
(24:20):
to know uh the pastor, I want tovolunteer my time, um, I want to
support them financially.
Um, I want to, you know, beinvolved in, you know, this
group of people.
Do is that is this group ofpeople the one that I want to be
involved with?
And um sometimes you can find itimmediately, sometimes it takes
a while, but don't give up.
(24:41):
If you need some help uh findinga church, uh just contact us at
biblical leadershipshow.com.
We'll do everything we can tohelp you narrow that search and
give you some suggestions uh inyour area.
Um and if it's out of state, um,which some of our listeners are,
we'll do everything we can.
I've got a network that I canwork with to find a church for
(25:02):
you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:03):
And uh we have some international listeners.
Can we do international?
I don't know.
And and so, yeah, uh we'll helpyou.
SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
We'll help you.
Yeah.
All right.
So, you know, we uh got backfrom our trip uh about a week
and a half ago, almost two weeksago now.
Um and one of the things that Ienjoyed doing while um we were
gone was we were um playingcards.
I learned some new card games.
(25:30):
Um, but one of the things thatwe did was um it was kind of
unusual.
Uh I was playing poker.
Um, and I was playing pokeragainst a cardboard cutout.
And you know what happened?
They folded.
SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Um I was trying to really think on that one.
I'm like, oh, this is up myalley here.
What we can figure out this one.
Oh, what a oh that's great.
SPEAKER_02 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so you got any you got anydad jokes there in your in your
repertoire?
SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
I I was just uh looking through and seeing what
I could find.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Okay, while you're looking, what do you call a
monster a mobster buried incement?
What do you call a mobsterburied in cement?
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Well, I mean, I don't want to say his name, but
how about a hardened criminal?
Nice.
What was the guy that they uhYeah, I don't know.
I forget his name.
The the guy that's where theysay he's under the stadium up
there, but when they weredemoing the stadium, they
couldn't find any the anyremnants of him.
So they think it was just mythand all that stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
So yeah.
Well, you got any jokes for usbefore we sign off the air?
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Oh man, I got no, I just no.
I I have to I have uh I no, no,I can get them, but they're over
there on my my over on the chairover there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:00):
So So we were one of the things that we did on our
trip, we went to visit ourdaughter who lives in the
eastern part of the UnitedStates, and and we were talking
and she wanted to go shopping.
I said, Okay, um, I'll goshopping, but I need to teach
you something.
And uh and she said, What do youneed?
I said, I need to teach you whata bargain means.
(27:21):
And after we shopped, she said,Thanks, Dad, that means a great
deal to me.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I like it.
Yeah, I just found some here.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_02 (27:34):
Oh, so so one of the things that we did with uh our
our daughter's uh boyfriend iswe binge watched The Hobbit and
uh the uh the the trilogy.
I mean, we watched so many hoursof just as he and I were just
watching, it was absolutelygreat.
Um and uh then we were gonnawatch this uh other movie.
(27:57):
I'm trying to remember what thename of it was, but it's a Laura
Croft movie.
Um I don't I don't remember thetitle of it.
Tomb Raider.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Tomb Raider.
SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
Tomb Raider.
Okay, but you know, um but whywas Laura Croft sad?
You know why Laura Croft wassad?
No, I do not because her careerwas in the ruins.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Oh I was on the train to work, and the conductor
told me I had to change had tocharge me extra for telling dad
jokes.
I told him that's not fair.
SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
That's not fair.
Oh, did you hear the story aboutthe tornado?
SPEAKER_01 (28:41):
Oh boy.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
There's a real twist at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (28:48):
I was going with the word spinning.
I couldn't figure it out.
All right, one more, and we'lllet the people go.
I I'll have to get better.
I was I was being lazy on thisshow.
I was like, I suppose he's gotlike 500,000 dad jokes here.
SPEAKER_02 (29:05):
Um but so why does water never laugh at dad jokes?
SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
Why is water never laughed at dad jokes?
Um I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (29:16):
Because it isn't a fan of dry humor.
SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
That's pretty good.
I'll give you that one.
I don't know.
Some of them hit me right.
So all right, guys.
Check us out biblical leadershipshow.com and uh send us some dad
jokes, send me some dad jokes.
Posey's got like he's got like500,000 dad jokes over there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:36):
We only have a hundred thousand.
SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
I need the dad jokes.
Email me your dad jokes, youknow, uh, and uh text me your
dad jokes there on the showprep.
Anyway, uh have a great day.
Um let us know if we needanything.
Uh we'll still put the offer outfor finding you a church home or
giving you advice, Dr.
E's been in this business for uhthe people business for For a
(30:00):
long time.
So he has a lot of knowledgethere to help you make and ask
the right questions.
So anyway, Dr.
P takes us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
Alright, thank you guys.
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