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February 19, 2021 29 min

Today we sit with Tim Matthews of CANarchy Craft Brewery Collective (Oskar Blues, Cigar City, Deep Ellum, Perrin, Squatters, Three Weavers, and Wasatch) and Ira Leibtag, founder of Cholaca. Tim and Ira teamed up to successfully create a tasty, refreshing beer with the addition of cacao, and later, coconut. To kick things off, Tim shares the origin story of the pair’s success. Sitting in a coffee shop, Tim noticed a sign for “Cholaca.” Curious, he sent an email to this mystery company, and an hour or so later, he received an email back. The rest is history, and Tim and Ira have been mastering cacao-infused beer ever since. In the show, we find out how, out of all the brewers who’ve tried this before, Tim and Ira managed to master it. The two touch on the process, cacao quality, and why they’ll always use liquid coconut over nibs and disks. Later, Ira shares Cholaca’s story and how his business is structured around rejuvenation. We also hear about liquid coconut as Tim and Ira talk about the effects it has on beers and their similarities and differences to Cholaca. Thirsty yet? Be sure to tune in with us to find out more!

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