March 9, 2024 • 60 mins
Ever wondered if technology could truly transform your shooting skills? Buckle up, because that's exactly what we're unpacking with Jake Hollenbeck from Mantis X. Our latest brew session at The Brewhaus serves up a hearty blend of laughter and sharpshooting wisdom, all while exploring how Mantis X's inventive system is revolutionizing firearms training. From my own lightbulb moment with the device to the tight-knit community Mantis X has cultivated, we're providing you with frontline insights that'll have you hitting bullseyes with newfound precision.
Pull up a chair and get comfortable as we break down the multifaceted Mantis X10 system. Whether you're a pistol-packing mama or a rifle-toting papa, Jake and I examine the unexpected ways this gadget adapts to different firearms, including a bow for you Robin Hoods out there. As we navigate the features that make this training tool a standout, we'll also share a slice of real talk from shooting authority Colion Noir. If you're hunting for a way to gamify your practice and shoot like a seasoned pro, you've come to the right place.
Finally, don't miss out on our teaser for what's coming down the pipeline at Mantis X. With innovations like Laser Academy 2.0 and augmented reality training with Magic Leap, we're peering into the future of firearms proficiency. The episode wraps with my wholehearted endorsement of Mantis X, a system that's not just altering my aim but changing the game for shooters everywhere. Tune in and join us for a chat that's as impactful as a perfect trigger pull.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everybody.
It's Brian here on the BrewHouse and I'm really excited for
a new show today because I havea guest with me that you know
I've previously had interviewswith, specifically firearms
instructor and folks like that,but today is something a little
bit different for you, andhopefully you'll find this not
only entertaining but actuallyinformative and you'll be able
(00:22):
to get something out of it thatyou can use to improve your own
shooting.
So before we get going on theepisode, though, I do have to
give a shout out to the sponsorof this episode, and that is
Alien Gear Holsters.
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have a favorite holster yet,this is about to be it, because
they're unbelievably comfortable, they got amazing retention,
(00:45):
they're easy to adjust and theygot the like it Y'all I got to
show you, because this is the,this is the cloak mod right here
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I've been carrying Alien Gearfor quite a while now, but I
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(01:06):
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It's got active retention, notjust passive retention.
So you know it's a lot safer tocarry a fewer around other
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it also if you're in lawenforcement.
It does have an optional axonsignal sidearm mount.
So if you're using one of thosefor video then you can actually
(01:29):
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.
It's also got an extra largeoptics hood and a large light
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They currently have it on leftor right hand draw for the Sig
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(01:53):
it's Glock's 1719, 22, 23, 45and 47.
So they're getting thosepre-ordered right now for the
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So check out the link in theshow notes of this episode if
you want to learn more about itand all the other awesome Alien
Gear holsters.
I've actually been carrying withthem for almost 10 years now
(02:13):
and again there's a reason why Idon't stray, I don't go
anywhere else because they arethe best for me.
That said, I'm going to jumpinto the episode here because
I've got a guy with me who Ithink you're going to find not
only entertaining but also hassomething really cool to talk
about, and I'm looking forwardto hearing his story.
I have not heard his story yet,but we connected a while back
(02:36):
via email.
We've had some really goodconnection here and well, I'm
just going to go ahead and jumpin and say welcome to the show.
Jake Hollenbeck from Mantis Xhow you doing what's?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
up Brian how we doing Brewhouse team Just super
stoked to be able to be herewith you guys ready to jump in
and talk some Mantis, gear andthings in the industry and how
are things going.
So really stoked to be able tobe here with you.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Dude, yeah, it's.
I'm glad to have you, becauseI've been looking forward to
this interview for a while.
I think there was a week therethat you weren't available and
then a week that I wasn'tavailable, and so we're finally
making it happen here.
I'm really excited for it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I had a guest that week, which was a huge show
right, really busy for us, andthat was right after shots and
it was just like this quick yeah.
We each had a week and familywere able to make that happen.
So I was pretty happy to beable to link up with you and
I've heard great things aboutthe show, so I'm really excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Thanks, man, we're glad to have you.
So before we get going on theepisode, I got asked have you
ever used Alien Gear holsters?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, yeah, I didn't want to jump in on that intro,
but I actually wrote on a CloakTuck for my Cloak 17 and
absolutely love it.
It's super comfy, it's reallywell and they've got great ways
to get it molded.
So, whether they like you andsuppress our headsets, all of
that stuff fits in runs andthey're really good I love using
(04:03):
it all the time, believe it ornot.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I.
Actually there's been a coupletimes that I was wearing my.
I've got the Cloak, tuck 3.5and in waistband, super comfy
and, believe it or not, therewas actually a time where some
friends of mine, we were hangingout and they said, hey, there's
a group of group of guys andgirls down here in Arkansas and
they said, hey, what if we goline dancing?
(04:26):
I forgot I was wearing thething.
It's that comfy and I'm noteven like exaggerating.
I literally forgot I waswearing this thing.
So I'm like, okay, cool, that'sawesome.
So we go out and we find there'sthis little country bar just
down the road.
It's not even a bar, it'sliterally some folks backyard.
They built this shed and it'samazing.
It's like a massive shed thatthey've dressed out as their own
(04:49):
little shop and has a dancefloor and all this stuff in it.
Anyways, I did line dancingthis thing and I'm like halfway
through I'm like I'm okay, butthere was no slip, there was
nothing.
There was no slip there was,there was no binding, there was
no worry about it.
It was nuts.
I.
There's a reason why I say whyI've been carrying for 10 years
(05:12):
and with alien gear and they'reamazing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But my big thing is you know, just like sitting in
the car, driving, when I forgetthat I'm gonna get me in the car
, I'm like man, I totally forgothow to go.
I mean, like this thing is socomfy, it breathes well, you
know, not like constantlysweating it out and stuff.
It's yeah, they're really,really worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh yeah, now quick preference question here Do you
carry appendix side or back, orhow do you?
What's your carry?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm an appendix guy you know, I'm like everything in
the industry that's mainstreamon stuff.
It's like a trend.
You know what I mean.
I can't know if it's trendy.
I do it.
It's for a reason too.
You know it works, it's comfy,it's quick, it's accessible,
yeah.
So I think if you're doing itin the other way, you're behind
(06:07):
the curve.
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm behind the curve.
It's right here on my side, so,but that said, I did.
I did see a great one the otherday.
There was an interview onlineand the guy says says,
technically, if you think aboutit, if you're appendix, carrying
every firearm is also ade-cocker.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're going to roll into this, Jim that's right yeah
.
Yes, yeah, stop that interview.
I was like boy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I love these little like pause and look at
the camera.
Well done, well done, so yeah.
So tell us a little bit aboutyourself, man.
I mean, obviously you're withMantis X now, but tell us a
little bit about who are you.
Tell us a little bit about yourupbringing, where you always
raise your arms.
Are you military, like what's?
(07:02):
Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so I grew up and well, I currently reside out
in Kansas right now.
I've always been kind of agreat plans guy.
I grew up in Blackfields.
That's my upbringing and mywhole life up there.
You know it was a Cronhornhunting, mule, deer White tail.
I've been doing guns my wholelife.
(07:24):
I'm a military.
High school I did, unless inthe army.
I was in the army for fouryears.
I wonder how the country lookedlike, obviously, and that's
where we started for theprofessionals.
(07:45):
I did software while I was inthe army.
So as soon as I got out I waskind of bouncing between
software companies for a coupleof years.
I did for a while and thenMantis came along with a
opportunity for me to come onand ship for five months and
software together and we justkind of clicked, click like a
click, click like a key fromthere.
(08:06):
You know it was one of thosedeals where it's like all those
six billion was in the militaryand love guns so let's just make
this work.
So you know, always been big onhim.
You know always been a rank oneshotgun for me.
And then obviously, once Ibecame a man and also it's like,
(08:32):
okay, might be time for somepistol action and it's falling
down.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And now you know, I don't know the metal all the
time around the clock.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What am I gonna get my hands on?
I'm gonna shoot and put Mantison it and talk about it.
So that's kind of where itstarted.
You know how we got to Mantisand then.
So for for the team I do Kansasterritory sales.
I'm always doing shows.
Like I said, I was at the GreatAmerican Outdoor show and PA a
(09:03):
couple weeks ago.
I'm sure before that we've gota lot of big ones coming up for,
like an actual guy in lawenforcement stuff.
So that's cool, stay reallybusy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man, that's awesome.
Yeah, no, that was funnybecause I think, yeah, because
we, you had just gotten backfrom shot Whenever we were
connecting and this is like okay, let's, let's, let's, let's set
something up here.
How was I mean?
Obviously it's kind of funny tothink about how, dare I say
liberal, the city of Vegas isright, but then you have this
(09:36):
massive gun show that rolls inand surprisingly, there's no
activity.
Right, that's, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is.
It's super strange we alwayskind of have like maybe the new
age of big city women.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And yeah, no, it's crazy how all these other bins
and all these big things and allthese shit rolls are like
thousands of thousands aroundand then you actually nothing
happens.
It's crazy how that works out,you know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
My AR has been sitting here next to me and I
just keep an eye on it to makesure it doesn't go off and like
shoot somebody, Because I know Iknow that they're notorious for
just going out and killingpeople.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So they're all in legs and becoming murderers.
They all think like this.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.
So that said, man, I mean so.
So yeah, you're you're.
You said you're out in Kansasright now.
What?
Like?
I grew up in Kansas myself,actually.
So I grew up out in SoutheastKansas, so I know the area well
and then of course had some, hadsome friends out in Hayes,
kansas, out in the Western side,and, you know, had some workout
(10:47):
in Colorado for a couple ofsummers.
So, man, I tell you it's, I'mfamiliar with all of Kansas and
I understand that the vastmajority of it is black 90% of
it is the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I said.
I'll show you the same picturefrom the east end to the west
end.
It's, it's, yeah, it is.
I'm on the White Hills, prettyclose to pretty close to
Manhattan.
So I mean, you know we havesome rolling prairies and creeks
and like a wooded area.
So it's not, yeah, I step outthe door and I'm not like who
court, but that's a walk away.
(11:21):
So you know.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh well, let's roll into talking a little bit about
Mantis here because, like Igotta say, I actually ran into
Mantis.
I was referred to Mantis by afriend of mine who actually I
found out you know, and that'sKara Connery.
She was the one on the episodebefore you here and yeah, so I
(11:47):
guess she joined you guys forshot show and GAOS, I believe.
So that's pretty awesome thatyou guys know each other.
But she is the one who firstintroduced me to Mantis, because
I was out at the range and Iwas relatively inconsistent with
my shot, right, it was like Icould do decent, but then there
(12:08):
would there would be theserandom shots that are just like
what did I do there?
And I wasn't able to fullyunderstand where I was going
wrong.
What was you know?
Was I, was I overcompensatingby pushing and anticipating the
shot?
Was I squeezing to the left?
I mean, you could obviously seewhere it was on the paper, but
it was like, okay, but where'sthe breakdown?
(12:30):
And so she started me on.
She said you need the X10.
And so, if you, I don't know ifyeah, there you go.
So there's the X10 right thereand I started training with it
and I gotta be honest, man,after I looked at the website
the website you guys make apretty bold statement on there.
It says 94% of all shootersagree that they get better with
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Mantis X in just 20 minutes 20minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yep, yep, so it is.
It's bold, it's bold, it's abig claim.
But in Tara she would say thesame thing here, but we eat our
own dog food at work.
You know what I mean.
It's kind of one of those dealswhere we've seen them on my own
and stuff before I decided tolike jump in and tell you what
(13:19):
I'd always like.
You know what feeling all upand down in my back then I'd
been doing pistols for fiveyears.
I get what's going on here.
But this thing on and literallyit's I mean, it's a big slice
of humble pie.
It's one of those deals where Iwas like man, holy cow, the
amount of detail that it givesyou.
(13:40):
I mean, the learning curve isvertical.
It's unreal how much it doesreally improve you right away.
So it's a big claim, but youknow, 94 out of 100 people would
tell you it's very true.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So we kind of bring us around so where we started
right, yeah, tell us about thekind of the roots of Mantis and
what was the first thing theycame out with, or how they say
hey, I think we can makeshooting better, you know?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, so the company was started by three brothers,
one of them, or I think.
At the time two of them were inthe Chicago area and then two
of them of the three are out inUtah, so there's a little bit of
balance in looking for it.
But basically they get togetherall the time and just look for
good ideas to improve, you know,their lives, their surroundings
(14:32):
, society, anything.
So they do a lot of things thatweren't just firearms, but all
of them being out of shootersand telling about fire and
safety.
You know they were looking fora way to fill the void of
looking for access to becomemore proficient, better trained
(14:53):
shooters without having to paythousands of dollars every year
to travel the country to go toclasses.
So they were kind of thinkingof how do we tackle this issue?
Well, they all have engineeringdegrees from I think it's BYU.
Don't shoot me if I'm wrong,but I think it's BYU.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'm going to hold you to that.
That's right.
It's on the internet now, soit's real.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Hey, I know mechanical engineers right,
that's what they've done.
And it started with the idea oflike, ok, how do we analyze
what people are doing while theyshoot?
Right, we don't have the nexthand.
We shut off and recordingthings all the time and sending
for something to look at orremote coaches, things like that
.
So what do we do here?
(15:40):
This sort of motion came intoplay and vibration.
So they decided all right, Ithink the best way for us to
tackle this is going to be withan accelerometer and gyroscope
and, as an American, I don'tknow if any story when they're
very first doing they tried tofree this could be done.
They basically jail broke areally old Android phone and
(16:04):
just rubbed it on through aglove.
They were using anaccelerometer to make this work,
yeah, and then once theyrealized, oh, we can read this
raw data, we can turn thevibration and movement
frequencies, depending on howyou're shooting, and see what's
going on.
And then, basically, from therethat's where it was born they
(16:24):
started with the originalMan2Sex.
That was the first product,which is what we can see here.
But it's this guy, ok, andcompared to your X-Tain, you can
tell it's like a massive LEGObrick, right yeah, this huge
requires hardware and stuff.
This was the original, thoughthe OG is what we call it, so
that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's smaller than an Android phone, though, so that's
good yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's way easier to put on a gun than a phone is.
There's no doubt about that.
So they were like OK, we canget it attached to the firearm,
let's link it up via Bluetoothto an app that we can write and
create.
That's the roots.
I mean, that is where the seedssprouted.
That's where it all took offthe first couple of years.
(17:07):
We're collecting all the rawdata and building the algorithms
.
It's a magic of whole operation.
Is the algorithms of each firenumber right?
If you're shooting a live fire,dry fire, co2, or a shark,
whatever you're going to mountit to, you want feedback from
and then, once you've got thatall tuned in, they apply all of
(17:29):
that data to the age old piechart of like.
If your muzzle is going hardwhile you're pulling the trigger
in your right hand, youprobably have to put your finger
finger in it when you'reforcing that muzzle right.
So as soon as they saw this,understood what the data meant
and how to build the algorithmsand sensitivity out from there.
(17:49):
That's when things reallystarted ticking up and,
ironically and luckily for thecompany, that was right before
COVID when, like, we justreleased the new version of the
sensors the X2 to the X10, andwe still released some ERGs.
That was going right into COVID, which obviously.
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Ranges were shut down, gunstores were shut down and it was
hard to get out and do thingsand people were looking for a
way to do dry fire at home.
But as soon as we got intopeople's homes and everyone
never said like, oh, thisthing's nuts, I can do this dry
and when I get the opportunityto go shoot I can take it with
(18:30):
me.
That's when we really justpicked up a ton of steam and
we're still just crazy busytrying to keep up with
everything and release some newstuff.
We've got some new cool thingson the way.
So that's kind of that's theroots.
That's kind of where it camefrom and how we got started.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, dude, that's.
I love it because you're right,it's.
I think it's super easy.
You know, a lot of people willthink to go, oh well, I can
obviously go to like aninstructor or trainer or
something like that.
But then whenever it comes totime to actually execute on that
right, and whenever you go, ohwait, that means I have to drive
over here, that means I have todo this.
(19:07):
And you know, I've seen othersystems where not gonna say
names or anything but like wherethey, you know you set up a
camera, like you're saying aslow-mo camera or something like
that well, not everybody hasaccess to a slow-mo camera, not
everybody has access to an areathat they could do it in.
You know, whatever, there's alot of complications, I think.
(19:28):
And so something like this tohave it at home, like I'm able
to set up, and just do it reallyanywhere, right, Like I've done
this, I've got mine actuallyset up.
So I've got this and I got thelaser academy, I've got it set
up in my garage, so then thatway I can just go out there and
practice, train, do whatever,and I'm not bugging anybody.
(19:49):
There's no risk with it.
You know, if I'm practicing, Iknow that you guys have the
holster draw with the X10, so,like holster draw analysis,
that's one of my favorite partsand actually that's why Carrie
got me onto this, because shegoes look, I want to get you to
a one second draw, but you haveto be accurate and you draw the
(20:09):
first shot.
You have to be accurate.
Get the laser Academy, get theX-10, pair them together and
then you can sit there and trainand you know where you're
hitting and you can see whatyour actual motion looks like.
I think that's also insane, theamount of microscopic motions
this thing picks up.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's an eye-opener, right, you can go on the website
and see all the videos and say,oh wow, I see a bunch of
squiggly lines and it's allencoded and this is data right,
and we're obsessed with datathese days but the reality is it
was an eye-opener when you gothome, put it on your firearm and
wait and did it and you're like, oh no, it's not, it's a force
(20:57):
multiplier for instructors.
We were never designed toreplace instruction.
It was get you up to speed, getthe fundamental sharp, get a
really good baseline.
And that's what this is.
Right, lance Armstrong, when hemight be a bad example, but
(21:18):
training for bikes and stuff, itwas one of those deals where
you had to have the fundamentalsof how to sit on the seat, how
to push the pedals right, whatyou're doing up and down, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
Great, this is a perishableskill, so we just want to get a
good baseline fundamental sideand then explore on it.
Are you competition shooters?
Is this for defense?
What are you doing here?
(21:39):
It doesn't matter, because thisapplies to all of them.
We've got all sorts ofinstructors out there that are
like man.
This is an awesome way to getpeople up to speed.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, and not only that, but I think one thing that
impressed me too was, I mean,so whenever you get to your kit,
right, I don't know if y'allcan see it, yeah, so here's the
kit.
And so whenever I got my X10,so it comes with little shims
and everything I love the factthat you can use it on all the
different kinds of firearms,right.
So, like, obviously, I thinkit's like the X2, you can't do
(22:12):
certain things with, but the X10, I've got it, where I can
actually hook this up to my AR.
Anything with a pick rail,right, I can put that on there.
But then it also includes, like, the shotgun adapter and
everything.
So, and then I think you guyseven have an archery app, right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, we.
So the X10 will do literallyanything.
It goes pistol with the fullershotgun, archery and for shotgun
, and what Hand grenades yeah.
I mean it's gonna get expensive.
Yeah, it's awesome.
(22:52):
Everything in the X10, you know, is like the adapters for
pistols that are on rails.
Yeah, you know.
Any long gun that doesn't havea real system certainly is.
It's designed for anything.
Little buddy at work who youget a man to his son's rubber
band gun and Nerf gun for hisson to get started.
It works on everything.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's pretty real.
So, like here's the securitynine, right, and so it literally
is as easy as top, like that'sit, it's on there and then you
just, you know, power it on andeverything.
Again, I got to say I didn'tknow how well it would help me,
right, because I'm definitely askeptical person.
(23:34):
I'm a person who, not just ofthis, but like of everything,
I'm like, yeah, okay, like 94%,sure, I'm going to be in the six
, but, right, I'm not.
I'm definitely in the 94because I'm going my scores, my
accuracies, everything like that.
I know there's also like aFacebook group where, you know,
mantis owners will compete andlike talk about, oh well, what's
(23:58):
going on here?
I'm having a disconnectionproblem.
Well, are you running on thisBluetooth or what you know?
Like, what phone do you have?
Well, we've got issues withthat phone because that phone
sucks, and so it's not theMantis, it's the phone, because
that's a known issue orsomething.
You know.
So, but it's really cool,that's.
That's another thing I thinkwith Mantis that I've seen, not
(24:18):
only on the Facebook side, butalso even just talking with you
and talking with my friends,experience with y'all.
It definitely is community.
You guys are building communityaround something and, like you
said it's for the everydayperson, right, it's, for it's
not going to make you the topdog, most excellent shooter in
(24:39):
the world, because that andtraining like crazy will do that
Well, well, but this is to geteveryone up to speed and to take
you into that really confidentlevel, right.
I mean, obviously, yeah, youcan dial in a lot more of your
shot, even if you are an expert.
You can even still dial in.
Everybody can get better.
But, like, I'm just looking atthis going, man, this is so
(25:02):
great to use because it buildscommunity.
You have this like, how'd youguys do that?
How did you go about buildingsuch a strong community?
Because that's and that's noteven on our show notes or
anything here.
But like, how did you do that?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, community was a was a big deal for us and I'm
really glad you brought that upbecause in the app we have a
social, there is a social in the.
So, there, there are shootinggroups out there who they share
their scores, they push eachother to competitions.
They're there to support eachother.
But the idea of community wasalways was always written in.
(25:41):
There was always a point of oursoftware and a company mission.
You know, our mission is totrain a million shooters a year
and it's really hard to do justone to one, right?
Even if you think of, like,your local gun clubs, your local
instructors, it is their owncommunity, right?
You know the people in yourtown or your city or whatever,
(26:01):
and are taking this as classesor at least talking about this
as a range or gun shop orwhatever it is.
You're constantly building.
That community is a huge part ofof gun people, right, we have
that's.
It's a very American aspect,right, but yeah, it's always
been a big part of it is weshare our experiences with each
other and that's always been abig part of it.
(26:23):
That, combined with the factthat we're a software company,
right, like, community hasalways been a big part of
keeping people together, sharingthings together, and that was
kind of the point.
So, yeah, that that, combinedwith the social thing that we've
got going on with the app and,just like you said, you know
we've got Facebook groups outthere of people that are always
(26:45):
sharing stories with each other,asking questions yeah, combined
with, you know, our supportteam, our company, is fantastic
with our customers.
We want to be communicative,you know.
We always want to talk aboutwhat's going on.
We're always updating the appand if you ever have any kind of
problem at all, reaching out tous is is going to be massively
(27:08):
beneficial, because we love ourpeople and we're always happy to
help in any way we can.
So, yeah, community was a bigpart of it, just in the initial
stages of how we're going to dothis thing.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, exactly, and, like you know, you mentioned
just everything from yoursupport team and all that I mean
even in, even in setting thisup, right, setting up the
podcast episode.
Yeah, I was working with Eliseon that, and just shout out to
her because she has been a dreamto work with in helping out not
only setting up the podcast butalso getting me some more info
(27:43):
and some different resourcesthat I needed.
Regarding you guys, because Iwant to do when I get something,
I want to use it to the best,and so you know, I mean full
disclosure.
I'm an affiliate, but Iactually bought my X10 myself,
like that's my own jam and so,but I was just like dude, this
is insane.
And so I'm really hoping we'lltalk about something here in
(28:05):
just one second, because rightnow I'm primarily focused on
pistol work, right, so like Ikind of I'm elevating my
schedule a little bit, kind ofcompressing it, but so right now
I'm working on a lot of pistolwork, but my goal is here,
probably within March, to moveup and start working on more
(28:27):
rifle work, right, so I want todo some more like CQB stuff with
my AR, but the thing is like Ican actually put this on my AR
as well and train with it,whether top mount, bottom mount,
whatever, and you guys have alot of really cool stuff.
But then you guys have actuallycome out with a system that's
(28:49):
even better than just throwingthe X10 on the AR.
And this is what, dude I'm.
I gotta be honest, I'm like I'mlike a kid in a candy store for
this one, and this is not madefor promo, but this is like you
get.
Yeah, this is real authenticexcitement right now, because I
learned this next one, theBlackbeard X and the Blackbeard
(29:12):
system that you guys built forthis, and I want you guys to
talk.
I want you to talk a little bitabout that, because I was like,
okay, how do I make this workon my AR?
And she's like you do know theBlackbeard system right, and I
was like, yeah, the what yeah,so probably my favorite product
(29:33):
of all this is this car righthere.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This is the Blackbeard and I'm probably
covered up by Mike.
So how this works is it's a oneto one.
So you would drop your bulkheadthe real pen, just like you
normally would.
You can see that there's it,which is that red plastic bit.
You can see that there and thehandle's molded too.
It just slides right in thereand then the magazine is the
(29:55):
battery that powers it.
You get that set up and you canhear that calibration noise.
Yeah, it's a constant reset.
So I just put this guy boy onfire, I can actually squeeze and
constantly reset my triggerover and over and over again.
Your bad guy is insane,probably like most of our
(30:17):
favorite disclaimers and thingslike that.
As far as enjoying dry firetraining is, with this guy right
here, full charge, it'll doabout 50,000 trigger presses.
Okay, it's the sensor that wewere talking about, our X10.
That same sensor is built intothe magazine so you can link
(30:37):
your app to the just the sameway as you can.
It's kind of laser in it, soyou can use it in most of
systems like laser academy andif you beat the property of
rainfall it's going to still inthere with it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
This thing is like it's over yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I wish it was going to just whatever.
It's right, it's really, reallycool.
It's a very cool system, veryeasy to use.
In some portions it gamifiesyour training, but also, in the
other hand, it works with therate like the LAB 140 trigger.
It's my, it's my furniture, itis my life.
(31:17):
Yeah, it's just constant resetability, which is insanely cool.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And that was going to be my next statement too,
because I know a lot of peopleare probably concerned and I
know again, I haven't shot withit yet, but I'm like you get to
feel the real trigger weightRight, like it's your full
trigger pull.
So it's not like you'reswitching something out there,
like it's the real reset for you, right.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yep, exactly Yep, and just like you said,
exact same reset.
It is your life.
Yeah, just constantly resetsfor dry fire.
It's a very, very cool system.
I should Well, I could pull itout and show you, but basically
there's a little piston insideof that, okay, that sits right
(32:03):
above the hammer, so every timeyou pull a trigger, that goes up
and then it just forces it inplace, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Okay, well, that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean because I sawColin Noir actually doing his
little video, his review Of theBlackbeard system, and I thought
it was really good because hewas very, very honest about it.
You know, like he mentioned it,he talked about some of the
things he likes.
There was, like, I think, oneor two little hesitations.
(32:31):
He said it wasn't like a redflag for anything, it wasn't
like a no, it was just like, ohwell, that's different than I
expected, you know.
And so, but to hear him youknow I highly respect his
opinion in the shooting world, Iwould love to have him on the
show someday, that'd be amazing.
But also like just to hear himactually talk about it and go,
wow, that's really my trigger,like this is the full way to
(32:56):
practice with all this.
And then to see him do it I'llsee if I can find that video and
throw it somewhere around,maybe in the show notes, or, if
not, just go look up Colin Noirin the Blackbeard system because
he does a really cool YouTubevideo on it.
And so that, to me, was thatkind of that selling point of
like, okay, this is cool.
Oh, now it's verified by somepeople I actually follow, you
(33:18):
know, and so you know.
No offense to you guys, but Iknow that you, like you said,
you eat your own dog food, soyou make sure you're definitely
going to tout your own stuffright.
So it's like, hey, if you'resaying this and it's marrying up
with everybody, yep, I'm in,I'm solo, and I will say,
speaking of the data checkingout, by the way, I did have to
(33:40):
have these ready for you.
So after you're on the app fora while, you get not only you
got your basic, I got theadvanced here.
See if I can do that, there yougo, I got my, got my elite
marksman.
Yeah, got the elite there.
And then, so far, I have gotthe, the basic combat one, and
(34:01):
then the advanced combat I gotit and I got one more.
Oh, my goodness, dude, and Ilove the fact that this is just
part of what you guys do.
I didn't have to pay for those,those are super cool.
So they have the back andeverything and what I'm like
literally on the last test, thelast thing for the elite combat
(34:25):
and that is the, the hostagerescue advanced.
I'm wondering if my system is,because I'm not, I don't have
the hard.
I know you guys have like theplate to the replacement plate
here, for that has the rail onit and I just have it on there
with double stick tape right now.
(34:45):
So I'm kind of wondering ifmaybe there's just a tiny bit
too much vibration in that.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Maybe I think some help is right here.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's probably the problem.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I don't want to say you're ready to be elite.
Yeah, because it sounds likeyou're really, really close.
I'm going to tell you right nowthe rescue drills are so hard,
so hard, at least at level right, like you have to be a couple
for the other ones.
But yeah, getting getting avery last on the last one, that
(35:24):
challenges super difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I think five out of seven, I think it is, or
something like that that you getso or seven out of score.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Like you got a score over 90 or 95 for the last seven
out of 10, something like that.
It's off.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, the last one here, Let me see if I can pull
it up here.
The elite combat last one I'mdoing.
So you got to do completehostage rescue advanced drill
and save at least seven out ofthe 10 hostages.
And then looks like advanced hasto be a score of 85 or higher
and a time of less than 1.7seconds, and y'all, that's
(36:06):
that's.
That's hard, so it's on thepositive.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen somefolks in the groups doing it and
they're showing their elite,their elite badge, so that's
good.
So I know it's possible.
I just got to get better.
It's hard it is.
They tell me that it wasactually the double stick tape
or something on there that I'mactually like a nice level.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Maybe you should go out and do it live fire.
Just put your sticky note outthere at the range and do it.
You need to simulate actuallyrescuing a message and then the
adrenaline kicks in and it'sgoing through.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, and that's a really cool thing too, because
you can use for live fire, soyeah, and I fire.
This thing is humbling AF dude.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, like I said, you know, Igot started early and I was like
shot.
And then I was like, oh, I'mgoing to get a score.
So I was like, okay, let's takeit up and ready, ready dude, I
get out there and I was likedang it, dang it, dang it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I got a little bit of a game.
Yeah, I'm hitting 97s on dryfire and then suddenly you go to
the range and you're like allright, I'm going to hit at least
like a 90, 92 and you're like76.
What is this?
What we got going on?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I swear I'm broken an 80.
I swear yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, you're turning the guy next to you going I'm
there's a.
I was nervous there, it's mywrist or something.
I was kind of whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Can you look away?
I don't like when people startwith me while I shoot it.
It throws me out.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, the criminals will look away, that's for sure.
So, speaking, of criminals.
I gotta say like it's nutsseeing some of the stuff going
on today, Right, Like, have youseen?
Has Manta seen?
I gotta ask this one have youguys seen an increase in sales
in the last?
Like?
Oh, I don't know, Maybe it'sthe last three years?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay.
So yeah, I'm going to quantifythis day and a four year, right?
Because, like, how much of itis just sculling and then what
you made is it's like Driven,you know who is.
Like they used to say, I'm themost of the best on salesman,
right?
Like there might be a newchampion out there these days,
(38:34):
oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He's also the largest purchaser of ice cream.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah yeah.
If you don't have shares inblue bunny, you gotta get some
because it's going through therave.
Yeah yeah, dunging ice creamare probably sellers these days.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
But but yeah, I mean like, so really, yeah, have you
seen a pretty big boost, I guess.
I mean I don't want to liketrash any specific folks, but
like definitely you see a lotmore gun owners now.
You see a lot more folks thathave a real concern.
I think you know today, and soare you seeing stuff like, are
(39:17):
you hearing reports of folkslike hey, I really need to take
my shooting more seriously andhere's why you know, directly
related to kind of what's goingon in the world.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, so you know, I think G away has talked about
this before, and so is the PC,but Really there are more gun
buyers in the last five yearsand there ever have been in
history.
Right, I'm not with the rise ofthe industry at all.
(39:49):
Obviously we have our share ofthat portion of the industry.
But the reality is is dry firein general is being talked about
more, and I think just thosetwo points together and how well
they're converging is showingon our spectrum quite a bit.
And really, you know, it's oneof those deals where it's
(40:11):
helping us achieve the companymission.
But even more importantly, thefact that dry fire is being
talked about so much and thereare more gun owners now than
ever before, I think we're bothnot just positive stromantis in
the industry but for America,right, that's the point here is
(40:34):
it's in our blood.
It's the second thing we wrote,right, so it is, it is it's you
want to talk about identity andpolitics and however you want
to do that, that's that's asidentical as you can get for for
the.
You know the Republic that welive in.
(40:55):
So it's definitely one of thosedeals where it's for us but
it's for the country for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, and I like that , like you're saying, I think a
lot of people are.
You know, even to go back ontoa whole different topic.
But you know, I, during thatbig thing where the whole world
is set down for like a year orso there, right, I think that
was also really good.
I was actually obviously notthe pandemic itself wasn't good,
(41:23):
but I think it did produce somereally good results.
Specifically, you know, I'vementioned on here too, but like
another episode, but you knowyou saw folks that kind of
started realizing, oh, itdepends on me to take care of
myself and my family, not thatour, you know, police and law
(41:44):
enforcement folks are notcapable, but they're not
omnipresent, right.
So I think you know, especiallyin today's world, no one what's
going on and everything.
It's like, hey, I need to beprepared, I need to at least
have a basic understanding.
You know, I think even if aperson were to get into like the
70s or 80s on their score,that's better than a 40 or a not
(42:08):
shooting at all, and so it'sreally cool to see that, and so
I can only imagine you guys havesome, probably some fun
conversations around the watercooler there.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
So there's a handful, especially when we're doing
shows and we've always demounits that shows for people to
come up and right and get theirhands on it to see how it works.
And it's funny watching somepeople eat a little crow, they
walk up the big chest andthey're talking about how I
shoot my whole life and then youknow, shoot a 50, and they're
(42:42):
like, well, it's just like Ithink it's being miscalibrated
or something.
No, but it is important, right?
It's just like you said.
It's like even even people likeus, who've been, who've been in
it for a long time and doingtheir own thing and seeing Much
improvement, is still in frontof us.
It's not dumping, you know.
(43:04):
It's delivered in a way thatmakes you hungry for more
knowledge and to keep trying.
And, you know, if you push thatout against all the people that
come up to the shows and try itout and there are some funny
stories out there, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
What's all the part of crazy you've seen at a show,
like, tell me about a time that,like, was there anything that
stood out to you at shot?
That's just like, is this reallife right now?
Like what, so you're out there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I think so.
One one good one this wasactually one enforcement show
last year is like one of myfavorite ones is you kind of
live in your own likeperceptions, reality, like
you've heard the word right.
So your own bubble is the worldyou live in and sometimes you
get shocked out of that.
And so I'm going to this lawenforcement show after being
(43:55):
here for a year and I'm an OKshooter, but I'm going to law
enforcement show.
It's my first one.
These guys are all going to be,you know, snapshot wizards and I
have to be really careful withwhat we're doing and which these
guys and it was it was actuallymilitary police and law
enforcement was the show, and alot of the military police,
(44:18):
which you know I'm an army guyand like I go back with those
dudes All right, so I would havesome expectations going in.
I'm at my booth doing my thingand all these guys that had just
graduated school came throughand they're looking spent you
know what I mean Like it followson hair.
They're all carrying theirbadges and guns.
I'm like here we go, this isthis is the moment I've been
(44:41):
waiting for, right, like theseguys are going to just come in
here and start looking at anyfive steps and all four of them
shot like 60s and I was likedude.
I was like it's really you know,it's like oh man, like this is,
this is military and I'm likeno way.
(45:05):
I was shocked and they weresuper cool dudes, like obviously
they like they're good dudesand it was.
It was a good they was havingthose like a certain perception
of like guardian heroes shotsand stuff and like no wonder,
it's like dude, you have tocheck this out.
Man, like definitely try it,because I think you would like
(45:27):
it and get some, get some workout.
But it was really shocking forme.
It was, it was one of thosedays, you know, just like whoa,
whoa.
So they're super funny, they'rereally shocking.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah Well, and like you know, you bring up a good
point.
I think a lot of the times wethink those you know anyone in
law enforcement we kind of holdthem to this almost unrealistic
expectation of perfection.
Yes, and then you start seeingstuff.
Like you know the situationthat happened down in Houston
recently and and you see, yousee different situations around
(46:03):
the country and the world whereyou think you have a plan, kind
of like Tyson says everybody'sgot a plan until you get punched
in the mouth, right yeah.
But like suddenly, if you'reput in a live fire situation
where your or somebody else'slife depends on it, you react
totally differently.
It's hard to train under thoseexact circumstances and so it's
(46:27):
very interesting to see.
But like I think it also notonly is it funny to kind of go,
yeah, they're just normal,they're just like me, but also
it is kind of a humbling thingto go, okay, well, if they can
do it, so can I.
Right, I think I'm going toflip that on his head and say
the average person can be justas good as them, and so that's a
really cool.
That's a really cool storyactually.
(46:47):
So I like that.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
It was.
It was definitely one of thosedeals where you know it and you
got to take into considerationto like almost all police
departments and you know,including the military to do not
get enough time on the range,and that's not their fault.
Right, like these are men andwomen out here putting their
lives on the line who were, theyare highly trained.
(47:12):
Right, they spend a ton of timemaking this stuff happen.
And it is one of those dealswhere it's like they don't get
near enough time out there to goshoot.
They don't get enough time topractice and doing something
like dry fire alone, with orwithout Mantis I mean with
Mantis, but without to.
It's one of those deals whereit's like, okay, this is going
to help us push our skills andbecause that's becoming more
(47:33):
popular, it helps in that.
But yeah, just like you said,we are heroes and we always have
been, and the main way that Igo up there and put their lives
on the line to help protectthose rights and those liberties
and these are all of the creditthey get, because it's just
(47:53):
like you said, the drillmanstarts pumping things If you
don't have the flame waterskills that you've drilled into
your head over and over, becauseyou don't do it every single
day.
Something might happen, andit's.
It is one of those deals whereit's like, yep, this is on me,
so take the responsibility andgo from.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Absolutely, and you know it's funny because I'm
actually looking up a videoright here, because there's
actually one.
Where did you see the videofrom?
You know who Agilite is theyeah, plate carrier guys and so,
yeah, a lot of really good gearand everything.
So they actually did a video,published it right during a
(48:35):
short show of from was it fromthe Middle East, from war to
shot show basically is what itwas.
And so literally one of theirguys was in combat and literally
flew back Like he was onschedule and everything
(48:55):
literally left combat, flieshome, showers, changes, has like
a night and then gets to shotshow and he's just back to back
to back and he hits the groundrunning with this smile on his
face.
I'm going like that's, that'sdedication, right there, that's
commitment.
And so you know you talkingabout the, the men and women of
(49:16):
our law enforcement and militaryand everything, just they are
their top watch.
You know, obviously there aresome crap heads out there that
go out, you know, I don't know,light themselves on fire in
front of a gate and everythingelse.
But those are some whack jobs,right, those, those are the
outliers.
And I feel really bad for thatguy.
(49:36):
I really do, because he's he'sbought into something that isn't
true, isn't real and Obviouslyhas some different disorders.
But at that, at that stage, youknow, I think anybody who's
experienced some traumaticevents would, would kind of have
a similar, maybe not quite asrash of a decision.
(49:57):
But you know, to speak aboutour kind of our blanket military
and stuff, I mean, do we havesome credible folks out there?
And so you'll always have theweird bad apples here and there.
But Organs, whatever, you know.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, I mean that's the open, the open scale of
humanity For us in your mediaand direct connect and where we
can see everything almostimmediately.
Right it's.
It's on the same sort of like.
Two separate what it was from,but they're basically saying,
(50:38):
like Some famous scientist guyI'm gonna jack this up, some
remember who it was, but youknow he's basically saying like
we weren't like designed or notyet adapted to Yep, taking this
information all the time, right,like I'm gonna be tuned in all
the time.
So you know I like to sometimesShut it off and go shoot my
(51:00):
guns and that's literallytherapy for me is for your time.
So you know, if life's feelingcrazy you can't seem to tune it
out, go do some dry presses or,you know, go out to the range
and poke some holes in paper andsee what that does for your
mindset.
That seems to help quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, yeah, as long as you're improving your shot,
because if you're like me, yougo out to the range some days
and you end up in a worstmindset why, I got some fun
stuff coming up here as well.
I think you'll have to.
Maybe we'll have to use theMantis X on the, the thing I was
(51:39):
talking to you about before theshow, but I don't want to give
it away too much because I gotyeah, I got a cool comparison
video coming up here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
But Do you know what's really cool idea?
Show the breakdown and data andstuff.
That's.
That'd be sick.
I'm making the ice cream forthat one.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Let's do it, man, let's do it.
So yeah, so tell me a littlebit about.
I know we're kind of near inthe end of our time here, but
where is?
Is there anything that you canshare where Mantis X is like
kind of headed to, because Iknow like there was just a
massive update right to the appand then I think there's some
more stuff.
There was some hints, I think,what I don't know if it's social
(52:15):
channels or what, but there wassome hints at big stuff coming.
Is there anything you can tellus that maybe is Fair enough to
share?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely there's.
There's a lot of exciting stuffhappening and it happening
right now.
Even so, we did we just droppedlaser Academy 2.0.
That was, I think, justNovember and December, so it's
only been a couple months.
That's been really bad andthat's the only other product
that we've yet, but Yep, so thatjust went up and then this year
(52:51):
we have a model of it.
Sure, show over all theprototypes and three productions
that we've got, currently forAR 15.
We've just released one for MCX, so those are out.
Ar 10, at-47, scar light andscar heavy Circumstance here.
Nice, yeah, that's got peopleelectric.
(53:13):
They're really excited.
We're all the work reallyexcited.
And then also at SOC.
So I don't know if you get togo into the the dark room there,
but we have a projection systemcoming out that works out of
like the bone of what laserAcademy is All right it's all.
Yeah, it's.
It's really, really cool thatthe big thing about projection
(53:35):
system is we're gonna becompetitive for the consumer
market, right, like if you don'tlook at some of those other
ones out there who I also won'tname names here.
But yeah, they're expensive.
They're expensive to get into.
You know we're talking likethousands of dollars to make
that happen.
What we've got going on Runsoff of your phone into just
(53:56):
about any projector.
You could get your hands oncheap or expensive Projects, a
program for you.
It gets recognized by thecamera on your phone, just like
laser Academy does, and it runssimulations, deal-mophize things
.
You can use our black beards onthem.
If our laser pistols so Isgonna be coming out at the same
(54:18):
time to you, yeah, we're reallyexcited about that one.
That one's gonna be a lot offun For sure.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Now we?
That brings up another questionfor me, but I have to ask that
one off here.
So, because I got ideas, oh, Igot ideas.
So, man, dude, that's awesome,because I think you know that's
If I gotta say man, obviouslyyou guys have already done the
work and the research andeverything.
But I'm going yeah, that's theperfect next step.
(54:45):
Right, is that projection side?
And going like, how do you takemy fight to the next level?
They're dad's insane.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
And that also reminds me to and I probably should
have started with this insteadof the projection thing.
We've just been doing for awhile and are ready to drop it.
But we are doing.
We're doing some work with acompany called Magic Leap who
uses in various augmentedreality goggles Okay, and we
have a little display for thatshot shows well, but basically
(55:12):
there are goggles that arerunning, you know, targets or
simulations or things for youplace in the real world.
So not just a VR simulation thatyou can use your blackbeard for
.
And, as a matter of fact, ifanyone wants to go see any of
and if you guys see any activeself-protection, any of those
guys like John Korea or NeilWhiteman they did a video of
(55:35):
that so if you want to go see it, go look at the ass slash
mantis X augmented reality.
Go check it on YouTube.
You can see how it works andit's gonna be really exciting to
you.
Don't stones a little bitfurther out in the projection
system, but obviously it's upand running and off the ground
and we're making work on it, sothat's a really cool system to
you.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, I'm glad you said that I'll actually throw a
link to that down in thedescription of this, of this
episode.
So then that way folks willpick it out they can, because,
yeah, I am really excited tohear about that one, to see it.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
So yeah, it's gonna be pretty cool.
We're really excited about thatone.
Just, you know, it's one ofthose deals where it's your
rainfall and you know, and alsowould be your world with targets
in it, so it's gonna be prettysweet.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
We're excited, absolutely now that's, that's
amazing.
Well, I mean, I can say I know,I know Kara was out there with
you guys during shot and GOS,and she goes right, I can't even
tell you what's coming, and I'mlike I'm sure that's probably
what it was, but it was justlike I can't even tell you
what's coming, but you're,you're gonna flip when you see
what's happening.
I'm like, okay, cool, you know.
(56:42):
Like what do you?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
what do you mean?
I didn't know what she'stalking and you are gonna flip
and you really, I can't say much, I can't say anything, but I
got you.
Well, now it comes out, it'sgonna be like dude, what it's?
It's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Um, well, now I know that you're.
You're coming my way herebefore too long for some
personal stuff, right yeah?
Yeah, I'm gonna be done it likethree weeks ago.
So so you're gonna slip thatinto your bag, whatever that is,
and then I will I've just seenit.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
But before they go out to the palm, obviously we're
gonna, if things dice ever rollthe right way, yeah, let's go,
man, let's go.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty cool.
I'm excited to see everythingthat you guys have going on and
and kind of what's coming outthis year.
So Again, man, um, I get so.
Thanks so much for being on theshow.
Uh, I really appreciate youtaking time.
I know, like I say, it's been acouple weeks for us kind of
coming here, but, um, I'm gladwe finally had the chance to sit
down and chat.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Thanks to you, man.
I really appreciate being hereand you know, obviously I love
talking about what we do and andI love mantis, but, um, you
know, being able to sit downwith cool people and have good
conversations about it andwhat's going on with the
industry, I can't tell you howmuch I personally appreciate
that and how much mantisappreciates the opportunity to
do so.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Hey, of course, man, anytime I uh, like I say, I've
got some stuff coming out thisyear that, uh, I'm gonna try to
partner up with you guys somemore Um, to show not only you
know it's not salesy, but at thesame point just to kind of show
that it really does help me, um, and so I'm really excited for
that.
But, um, and I'm also going tobe very, very happy once I
(58:26):
finally get my elite combatbadge.
So that thing pisses me off sobad right now.
Just breathe through it Yep, ah,well, cool.
Um, thanks again for checkingout the episode here.
I appreciate you guys, uh,everybody who's tuned in.
If you want to learn more aboutmantis, uh, go check out the
(58:48):
section, the description of thisshow here.
Uh, I'll actually put links toanything we talked about in the
description here.
Um, and also, you know, like Isay, if you want to get the x,
the x 10, I would, I woulddefinitely recommend the x 10.
You can still get the x, yep,two, three.
I think you get two or threeright now.
I'll get the 10 for sure.
(59:09):
We just send a little extra.
It's not much.
But you get holster drawanalysis and everything else.
So I'll throw a link to thatdown there as well.
Um, because, like you say, it'sit's crazy, but I am.
I have fully drank the kool-aidat this point.
It's 94 shooters, myselfincluded, can can say in less
like 20 minutes dude, you'reshot improves, that's nuts.
(59:31):
So, um, also, again, a bigshout out to our sponsor, alien
gear holsters.
Uh, be sure, and check outtheir new rapid force level 3
duty holsters in the show notesalso.
And, uh, I guess we will seeyou on the next episode here on
the brew house.
Thanks again, jack.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Thanks guys.
What's up everybody.
It's Brian here on the BrewHouse and I'm really excited for
a new show today because I havea guest with me that you know
I've previously had interviewswith, specifically firearms
instructor and folks like that,but today is something a little
bit different for you, andhopefully you'll find this not
only entertaining but actuallyinformative and you'll be able
(00:22):
to get something out of it thatyou can use to improve your own
shooting.
So before we get going on theepisode, though, I do have to
give a shout out to the sponsorof this episode, and that is
Alien Gear Holsters.
If you are looking for anyholster out there, if you don't
have a favorite holster yet,this is about to be it, because
they're unbelievably comfortable, they got amazing retention,
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they're easy to adjust and theygot the like it Y'all I got to
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I've been carrying Alien Gearfor quite a while now, but I
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It's got active retention, notjust passive retention.
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It does have an optional axonsignal sidearm mount.
So if you're using one of thosefor video then you can actually
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It's also got an extra largeoptics hood and a large light
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So you know, if you carry withthat, then check out the Rapid
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They currently have it on leftor right hand draw for the Sig
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it's Glock's 1719, 22, 23, 45and 47.
So they're getting thosepre-ordered right now for the
Glock's but Sig Sauer's alreadyavailable.
So check out the link in theshow notes of this episode if
you want to learn more about itand all the other awesome Alien
Gear holsters.
I've actually been carrying withthem for almost 10 years now
(02:13):
and again there's a reason why Idon't stray, I don't go
anywhere else because they arethe best for me.
That said, I'm going to jumpinto the episode here because
I've got a guy with me who Ithink you're going to find not
only entertaining but also hassomething really cool to talk
about, and I'm looking forwardto hearing his story.
I have not heard his story yet,but we connected a while back
(02:36):
via email.
We've had some really goodconnection here and well, I'm
just going to go ahead and jumpin and say welcome to the show.
Jake Hollenbeck from Mantis Xhow you doing what's?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
up Brian how we doing Brewhouse team Just super
stoked to be able to be herewith you guys ready to jump in
and talk some Mantis, gear andthings in the industry and how
are things going.
So really stoked to be able tobe here with you.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Dude, yeah, it's.
I'm glad to have you, becauseI've been looking forward to
this interview for a while.
I think there was a week therethat you weren't available and
then a week that I wasn'tavailable, and so we're finally
making it happen here.
I'm really excited for it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I had a guest that week, which was a huge show
right, really busy for us, andthat was right after shots and
it was just like this quick yeah.
We each had a week and familywere able to make that happen.
So I was pretty happy to beable to link up with you and
I've heard great things aboutthe show, so I'm really excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Thanks, man, we're glad to have you.
So before we get going on theepisode, I got asked have you
ever used Alien Gear holsters?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, yeah, I didn't want to jump in on that intro,
but I actually wrote on a CloakTuck for my Cloak 17 and
absolutely love it.
It's super comfy, it's reallywell and they've got great ways
to get it molded.
So, whether they like you andsuppress our headsets, all of
that stuff fits in runs andthey're really good I love using
(04:03):
it all the time, believe it ornot.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I.
Actually there's been a coupletimes that I was wearing my.
I've got the Cloak, tuck 3.5and in waistband, super comfy
and, believe it or not, therewas actually a time where some
friends of mine, we were hangingout and they said, hey, there's
a group of group of guys andgirls down here in Arkansas and
they said, hey, what if we goline dancing?
(04:26):
I forgot I was wearing thething.
It's that comfy and I'm noteven like exaggerating.
I literally forgot I waswearing this thing.
So I'm like, okay, cool, that'sawesome.
So we go out and we find there'sthis little country bar just
down the road.
It's not even a bar, it'sliterally some folks backyard.
They built this shed and it'samazing.
It's like a massive shed thatthey've dressed out as their own
(04:49):
little shop and has a dancefloor and all this stuff in it.
Anyways, I did line dancingthis thing and I'm like halfway
through I'm like I'm okay, butthere was no slip, there was
nothing.
There was no slip there was,there was no binding, there was
no worry about it.
It was nuts.
I.
There's a reason why I say whyI've been carrying for 10 years
(05:12):
and with alien gear and they'reamazing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But my big thing is you know, just like sitting in
the car, driving, when I forgetthat I'm gonna get me in the car
, I'm like man, I totally forgothow to go.
I mean, like this thing is socomfy, it breathes well, you
know, not like constantlysweating it out and stuff.
It's yeah, they're really,really worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh yeah, now quick preference question here Do you
carry appendix side or back, orhow do you?
What's your carry?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm an appendix guy you know, I'm like everything in
the industry that's mainstreamon stuff.
It's like a trend.
You know what I mean.
I can't know if it's trendy.
I do it.
It's for a reason too.
You know it works, it's comfy,it's quick, it's accessible,
yeah.
So I think if you're doing itin the other way, you're behind
(06:07):
the curve.
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm behind the curve.
It's right here on my side, so,but that said, I did.
I did see a great one the otherday.
There was an interview onlineand the guy says says,
technically, if you think aboutit, if you're appendix, carrying
every firearm is also ade-cocker.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're going to roll into this, Jim that's right yeah
.
Yes, yeah, stop that interview.
I was like boy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I love these little like pause and look at
the camera.
Well done, well done, so yeah.
So tell us a little bit aboutyourself, man.
I mean, obviously you're withMantis X now, but tell us a
little bit about who are you.
Tell us a little bit about yourupbringing, where you always
raise your arms.
Are you military, like what's?
(07:02):
Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so I grew up and well, I currently reside out
in Kansas right now.
I've always been kind of agreat plans guy.
I grew up in Blackfields.
That's my upbringing and mywhole life up there.
You know it was a Cronhornhunting, mule, deer White tail.
I've been doing guns my wholelife.
(07:24):
I'm a military.
High school I did, unless inthe army.
I was in the army for fouryears.
I wonder how the country lookedlike, obviously, and that's
where we started for theprofessionals.
(07:45):
I did software while I was inthe army.
So as soon as I got out I waskind of bouncing between
software companies for a coupleof years.
I did for a while and thenMantis came along with a
opportunity for me to come onand ship for five months and
software together and we justkind of clicked, click like a
click, click like a key fromthere.
(08:06):
You know it was one of thosedeals where it's like all those
six billion was in the militaryand love guns so let's just make
this work.
So you know, always been big onhim.
You know always been a rank oneshotgun for me.
And then obviously, once Ibecame a man and also it's like,
(08:32):
okay, might be time for somepistol action and it's falling
down.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And now you know, I don't know the metal all the
time around the clock.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
What am I gonna get my hands on?
I'm gonna shoot and put Mantison it and talk about it.
So that's kind of where itstarted.
You know how we got to Mantisand then.
So for for the team I do Kansasterritory sales.
I'm always doing shows.
Like I said, I was at the GreatAmerican Outdoor show and PA a
(09:03):
couple weeks ago.
I'm sure before that we've gota lot of big ones coming up for,
like an actual guy in lawenforcement stuff.
So that's cool, stay reallybusy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man, that's awesome.
Yeah, no, that was funnybecause I think, yeah, because
we, you had just gotten backfrom shot Whenever we were
connecting and this is like okay, let's, let's, let's, let's set
something up here.
How was I mean?
Obviously it's kind of funny tothink about how, dare I say
liberal, the city of Vegas isright, but then you have this
(09:36):
massive gun show that rolls inand surprisingly, there's no
activity.
Right, that's, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is.
It's super strange we alwayskind of have like maybe the new
age of big city women.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And yeah, no, it's crazy how all these other bins
and all these big things and allthese shit rolls are like
thousands of thousands aroundand then you actually nothing
happens.
It's crazy how that works out,you know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
My AR has been sitting here next to me and I
just keep an eye on it to makesure it doesn't go off and like
shoot somebody, Because I know Iknow that they're notorious for
just going out and killingpeople.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So they're all in legs and becoming murderers.
They all think like this.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.
So that said, man, I mean so.
So yeah, you're you're.
You said you're out in Kansasright now.
What?
Like?
I grew up in Kansas myself,actually.
So I grew up out in SoutheastKansas, so I know the area well
and then of course had some, hadsome friends out in Hayes,
kansas, out in the Western side,and, you know, had some workout
(10:47):
in Colorado for a couple ofsummers.
So, man, I tell you it's, I'mfamiliar with all of Kansas and
I understand that the vastmajority of it is black 90% of
it is the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I said.
I'll show you the same picturefrom the east end to the west
end.
It's, it's, yeah, it is.
I'm on the White Hills, prettyclose to pretty close to
Manhattan.
So I mean, you know we havesome rolling prairies and creeks
and like a wooded area.
So it's not, yeah, I step outthe door and I'm not like who
court, but that's a walk away.
(11:21):
So you know.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh well, let's roll into talking a little bit about
Mantis here because, like Igotta say, I actually ran into
Mantis.
I was referred to Mantis by afriend of mine who actually I
found out you know, and that'sKara Connery.
She was the one on the episodebefore you here and yeah, so I
(11:47):
guess she joined you guys forshot show and GAOS, I believe.
So that's pretty awesome thatyou guys know each other.
But she is the one who firstintroduced me to Mantis, because
I was out at the range and Iwas relatively inconsistent with
my shot, right, it was like Icould do decent, but then there
(12:08):
would there would be theserandom shots that are just like
what did I do there?
And I wasn't able to fullyunderstand where I was going
wrong.
What was you know?
Was I, was I overcompensatingby pushing and anticipating the
shot?
Was I squeezing to the left?
I mean, you could obviously seewhere it was on the paper, but
it was like, okay, but where'sthe breakdown?
(12:30):
And so she started me on.
She said you need the X10.
And so, if you, I don't know ifyeah, there you go.
So there's the X10 right thereand I started training with it
and I gotta be honest, man,after I looked at the website
the website you guys make apretty bold statement on there.
It says 94% of all shootersagree that they get better with
(12:53):
Mantis X in just 20 minutes 20minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yep, yep, so it is.
It's bold, it's bold, it's abig claim.
But in Tara she would say thesame thing here, but we eat our
own dog food at work.
You know what I mean.
It's kind of one of those dealswhere we've seen them on my own
and stuff before I decided tolike jump in and tell you what
(13:19):
I'd always like.
You know what feeling all upand down in my back then I'd
been doing pistols for fiveyears.
I get what's going on here.
But this thing on and literallyit's I mean, it's a big slice
of humble pie.
It's one of those deals where Iwas like man, holy cow, the
amount of detail that it givesyou.
(13:40):
I mean, the learning curve isvertical.
It's unreal how much it doesreally improve you right away.
So it's a big claim, but youknow, 94 out of 100 people would
tell you it's very true.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So we kind of bring us around so where we started
right, yeah, tell us about thekind of the roots of Mantis and
what was the first thing theycame out with, or how they say
hey, I think we can makeshooting better, you know?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, so the company was started by three brothers,
one of them, or I think.
At the time two of them were inthe Chicago area and then two
of them of the three are out inUtah, so there's a little bit of
balance in looking for it.
But basically they get togetherall the time and just look for
good ideas to improve, you know,their lives, their surroundings
(14:32):
, society, anything.
So they do a lot of things thatweren't just firearms, but all
of them being out of shootersand telling about fire and
safety.
You know they were looking fora way to fill the void of
looking for access to becomemore proficient, better trained
(14:53):
shooters without having to paythousands of dollars every year
to travel the country to go toclasses.
So they were kind of thinkingof how do we tackle this issue?
Well, they all have engineeringdegrees from I think it's BYU.
Don't shoot me if I'm wrong,but I think it's BYU.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'm going to hold you to that.
That's right.
It's on the internet now, soit's real.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Hey, I know mechanical engineers right,
that's what they've done.
And it started with the idea oflike, ok, how do we analyze
what people are doing while theyshoot?
Right, we don't have the nexthand.
We shut off and recordingthings all the time and sending
for something to look at orremote coaches, things like that
.
So what do we do here?
(15:40):
This sort of motion came intoplay and vibration.
So they decided all right, Ithink the best way for us to
tackle this is going to be withan accelerometer and gyroscope
and, as an American, I don'tknow if any story when they're
very first doing they tried tofree this could be done.
They basically jail broke areally old Android phone and
(16:04):
just rubbed it on through aglove.
They were using anaccelerometer to make this work,
yeah, and then once theyrealized, oh, we can read this
raw data, we can turn thevibration and movement
frequencies, depending on howyou're shooting, and see what's
going on.
And then, basically, from therethat's where it was born they
(16:24):
started with the originalMan2Sex.
That was the first product,which is what we can see here.
But it's this guy, ok, andcompared to your X-Tain, you can
tell it's like a massive LEGObrick, right yeah, this huge
requires hardware and stuff.
This was the original, thoughthe OG is what we call it, so
that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's smaller than an Android phone, though, so that's
good yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's way easier to put on a gun than a phone is.
There's no doubt about that.
So they were like OK, we canget it attached to the firearm,
let's link it up via Bluetoothto an app that we can write and
create.
That's the roots.
I mean, that is where the seedssprouted.
That's where it all took offthe first couple of years.
(17:07):
We're collecting all the rawdata and building the algorithms
.
It's a magic of whole operation.
Is the algorithms of each firenumber right?
If you're shooting a live fire,dry fire, co2, or a shark,
whatever you're going to mountit to, you want feedback from
and then, once you've got thatall tuned in, they apply all of
(17:29):
that data to the age old piechart of like.
If your muzzle is going hardwhile you're pulling the trigger
in your right hand, youprobably have to put your finger
finger in it when you'reforcing that muzzle right.
So as soon as they saw this,understood what the data meant
and how to build the algorithmsand sensitivity out from there.
(17:49):
That's when things reallystarted ticking up and,
ironically and luckily for thecompany, that was right before
COVID when, like, we justreleased the new version of the
sensors the X2 to the X10, andwe still released some ERGs.
That was going right into COVID, which obviously.
(18:10):
Ranges were shut down, gunstores were shut down and it was
hard to get out and do thingsand people were looking for a
way to do dry fire at home.
But as soon as we got intopeople's homes and everyone
never said like, oh, thisthing's nuts, I can do this dry
and when I get the opportunityto go shoot I can take it with
(18:30):
me.
That's when we really justpicked up a ton of steam and
we're still just crazy busytrying to keep up with
everything and release some newstuff.
We've got some new cool thingson the way.
So that's kind of that's theroots.
That's kind of where it camefrom and how we got started.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, dude, that's.
I love it because you're right,it's.
I think it's super easy.
You know, a lot of people willthink to go, oh well, I can
obviously go to like aninstructor or trainer or
something like that.
But then whenever it comes totime to actually execute on that
right, and whenever you go, ohwait, that means I have to drive
over here, that means I have todo this.
(19:07):
And you know, I've seen othersystems where not gonna say
names or anything but like wherethey, you know you set up a
camera, like you're saying aslow-mo camera or something like
that well, not everybody hasaccess to a slow-mo camera, not
everybody has access to an areathat they could do it in.
You know, whatever, there's alot of complications, I think.
(19:28):
And so something like this tohave it at home, like I'm able
to set up, and just do it reallyanywhere, right, Like I've done
this, I've got mine actuallyset up.
So I've got this and I got thelaser academy, I've got it set
up in my garage, so then thatway I can just go out there and
practice, train, do whatever,and I'm not bugging anybody.
(19:49):
There's no risk with it.
You know, if I'm practicing, Iknow that you guys have the
holster draw with the X10, so,like holster draw analysis,
that's one of my favorite partsand actually that's why Carrie
got me onto this, because shegoes look, I want to get you to
a one second draw, but you haveto be accurate and you draw the
(20:09):
first shot.
You have to be accurate.
Get the laser Academy, get theX-10, pair them together and
then you can sit there and trainand you know where you're
hitting and you can see whatyour actual motion looks like.
I think that's also insane, theamount of microscopic motions
this thing picks up.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's an eye-opener, right, you can go on the website
and see all the videos and say,oh wow, I see a bunch of
squiggly lines and it's allencoded and this is data right,
and we're obsessed with datathese days but the reality is it
was an eye-opener when you gothome, put it on your firearm and
wait and did it and you're like, oh no, it's not, it's a force
(20:57):
multiplier for instructors.
We were never designed toreplace instruction.
It was get you up to speed, getthe fundamental sharp, get a
really good baseline.
And that's what this is.
Right, lance Armstrong, when hemight be a bad example, but
(21:18):
training for bikes and stuff, itwas one of those deals where
you had to have the fundamentalsof how to sit on the seat, how
to push the pedals right, whatyou're doing up and down, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
Great, this is a perishableskill, so we just want to get a
good baseline fundamental sideand then explore on it.
Are you competition shooters?
Is this for defense?
What are you doing here?
(21:39):
It doesn't matter, because thisapplies to all of them.
We've got all sorts ofinstructors out there that are
like man.
This is an awesome way to getpeople up to speed.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, and not only that, but I think one thing that
impressed me too was, I mean,so whenever you get to your kit,
right, I don't know if y'allcan see it, yeah, so here's the
kit.
And so whenever I got my X10,so it comes with little shims
and everything I love the factthat you can use it on all the
different kinds of firearms,right.
So, like, obviously, I thinkit's like the X2, you can't do
(22:12):
certain things with, but the X10, I've got it, where I can
actually hook this up to my AR.
Anything with a pick rail,right, I can put that on there.
But then it also includes, like, the shotgun adapter and
everything.
So, and then I think you guyseven have an archery app, right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, we.
So the X10 will do literallyanything.
It goes pistol with the fullershotgun, archery and for shotgun
, and what Hand grenades yeah.
I mean it's gonna get expensive.
Yeah, it's awesome.
(22:52):
Everything in the X10, you know, is like the adapters for
pistols that are on rails.
Yeah, you know.
Any long gun that doesn't havea real system certainly is.
It's designed for anything.
Little buddy at work who youget a man to his son's rubber
band gun and Nerf gun for hisson to get started.
It works on everything.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's pretty real.
So, like here's the securitynine, right, and so it literally
is as easy as top, like that'sit, it's on there and then you
just, you know, power it on andeverything.
Again, I got to say I didn'tknow how well it would help me,
right, because I'm definitely askeptical person.
(23:34):
I'm a person who, not just ofthis, but like of everything,
I'm like, yeah, okay, like 94%,sure, I'm going to be in the six
, but, right, I'm not.
I'm definitely in the 94because I'm going my scores, my
accuracies, everything like that.
I know there's also like aFacebook group where, you know,
mantis owners will compete andlike talk about, oh well, what's
(23:58):
going on here?
I'm having a disconnectionproblem.
Well, are you running on thisBluetooth or what you know?
Like, what phone do you have?
Well, we've got issues withthat phone because that phone
sucks, and so it's not theMantis, it's the phone, because
that's a known issue orsomething.
You know.
So, but it's really cool,that's.
That's another thing I thinkwith Mantis that I've seen, not
(24:18):
only on the Facebook side, butalso even just talking with you
and talking with my friends,experience with y'all.
It definitely is community.
You guys are building communityaround something and, like you
said it's for the everydayperson, right, it's, for it's
not going to make you the topdog, most excellent shooter in
(24:39):
the world, because that andtraining like crazy will do that
Well, well, but this is to geteveryone up to speed and to take
you into that really confidentlevel, right.
I mean, obviously, yeah, youcan dial in a lot more of your
shot, even if you are an expert.
You can even still dial in.
Everybody can get better.
But, like, I'm just looking atthis going, man, this is so
(25:02):
great to use because it buildscommunity.
You have this like, how'd youguys do that?
How did you go about buildingsuch a strong community?
Because that's and that's noteven on our show notes or
anything here.
But like, how did you do that?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, community was a was a big deal for us and I'm
really glad you brought that upbecause in the app we have a
social, there is a social in the.
So, there, there are shootinggroups out there who they share
their scores, they push eachother to competitions.
They're there to support eachother.
But the idea of community wasalways was always written in.
(25:41):
There was always a point of oursoftware and a company mission.
You know, our mission is totrain a million shooters a year
and it's really hard to do justone to one, right?
Even if you think of, like,your local gun clubs, your local
instructors, it is their owncommunity, right?
You know the people in yourtown or your city or whatever,
(26:01):
and are taking this as classesor at least talking about this
as a range or gun shop orwhatever it is.
You're constantly building.
That community is a huge part ofof gun people, right, we have
that's.
It's a very American aspect,right, but yeah, it's always
been a big part of it is weshare our experiences with each
other and that's always been abig part of it.
(26:23):
That, combined with the factthat we're a software company,
right, like, community hasalways been a big part of
keeping people together, sharingthings together, and that was
kind of the point.
So, yeah, that that, combinedwith the social thing that we've
got going on with the app and,just like you said, you know
we've got Facebook groups outthere of people that are always
(26:45):
sharing stories with each other,asking questions yeah, combined
with, you know, our supportteam, our company, is fantastic
with our customers.
We want to be communicative,you know.
We always want to talk aboutwhat's going on.
We're always updating the appand if you ever have any kind of
problem at all, reaching out tous is is going to be massively
(27:08):
beneficial, because we love ourpeople and we're always happy to
help in any way we can.
So, yeah, community was a bigpart of it, just in the initial
stages of how we're going to dothis thing.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, exactly, and, like you know, you mentioned
just everything from yoursupport team and all that I mean
even in, even in setting thisup, right, setting up the
podcast episode.
Yeah, I was working with Eliseon that, and just shout out to
her because she has been a dreamto work with in helping out not
only setting up the podcast butalso getting me some more info
(27:43):
and some different resourcesthat I needed.
Regarding you guys, because Iwant to do when I get something,
I want to use it to the best,and so you know, I mean full
disclosure.
I'm an affiliate, but Iactually bought my X10 myself,
like that's my own jam and so,but I was just like dude, this
is insane.
And so I'm really hoping we'lltalk about something here in
(28:05):
just one second, because rightnow I'm primarily focused on
pistol work, right, so like Ikind of I'm elevating my
schedule a little bit, kind ofcompressing it, but so right now
I'm working on a lot of pistolwork, but my goal is here,
probably within March, to moveup and start working on more
(28:27):
rifle work, right, so I want todo some more like CQB stuff with
my AR, but the thing is like Ican actually put this on my AR
as well and train with it,whether top mount, bottom mount,
whatever, and you guys have alot of really cool stuff.
But then you guys have actuallycome out with a system that's
(28:49):
even better than just throwingthe X10 on the AR.
And this is what, dude I'm.
I gotta be honest, I'm like I'mlike a kid in a candy store for
this one, and this is not madefor promo, but this is like you
get.
Yeah, this is real authenticexcitement right now, because I
learned this next one, theBlackbeard X and the Blackbeard
(29:12):
system that you guys built forthis, and I want you guys to
talk.
I want you to talk a little bitabout that, because I was like,
okay, how do I make this workon my AR?
And she's like you do know theBlackbeard system right, and I
was like, yeah, the what yeah,so probably my favorite product
(29:33):
of all this is this car righthere.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This is the Blackbeard and I'm probably
covered up by Mike.
So how this works is it's a oneto one.
So you would drop your bulkheadthe real pen, just like you
normally would.
You can see that there's it,which is that red plastic bit.
You can see that there and thehandle's molded too.
It just slides right in thereand then the magazine is the
(29:55):
battery that powers it.
You get that set up and you canhear that calibration noise.
Yeah, it's a constant reset.
So I just put this guy boy onfire, I can actually squeeze and
constantly reset my triggerover and over and over again.
Your bad guy is insane,probably like most of our
(30:17):
favorite disclaimers and thingslike that.
As far as enjoying dry firetraining is, with this guy right
here, full charge, it'll doabout 50,000 trigger presses.
Okay, it's the sensor that wewere talking about, our X10.
That same sensor is built intothe magazine so you can link
(30:37):
your app to the just the sameway as you can.
It's kind of laser in it, soyou can use it in most of
systems like laser academy andif you beat the property of
rainfall it's going to still inthere with it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
This thing is like it's over yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I wish it was going to just whatever.
It's right, it's really, reallycool.
It's a very cool system, veryeasy to use.
In some portions it gamifiesyour training, but also, in the
other hand, it works with therate like the LAB 140 trigger.
It's my, it's my furniture, itis my life.
(31:17):
Yeah, it's just constant resetability, which is insanely cool.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And that was going to be my next statement too,
because I know a lot of peopleare probably concerned and I
know again, I haven't shot withit yet, but I'm like you get to
feel the real trigger weightRight, like it's your full
trigger pull.
So it's not like you'reswitching something out there,
like it's the real reset for you, right.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yep, exactly Yep, and just like you said,
exact same reset.
It is your life.
Yeah, just constantly resetsfor dry fire.
It's a very, very cool system.
I should Well, I could pull itout and show you, but basically
there's a little piston insideof that, okay, that sits right
(32:03):
above the hammer, so every timeyou pull a trigger, that goes up
and then it just forces it inplace, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Okay, well, that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean because I sawColin Noir actually doing his
little video, his review Of theBlackbeard system, and I thought
it was really good because hewas very, very honest about it.
You know, like he mentioned it,he talked about some of the
things he likes.
There was, like, I think, oneor two little hesitations.
(32:31):
He said it wasn't like a redflag for anything, it wasn't
like a no, it was just like, ohwell, that's different than I
expected, you know.
And so, but to hear him youknow I highly respect his
opinion in the shooting world, Iwould love to have him on the
show someday, that'd be amazing.
But also like just to hear himactually talk about it and go,
wow, that's really my trigger,like this is the full way to
(32:56):
practice with all this.
And then to see him do it I'llsee if I can find that video and
throw it somewhere around,maybe in the show notes, or, if
not, just go look up Colin Noirin the Blackbeard system because
he does a really cool YouTubevideo on it.
And so that, to me, was thatkind of that selling point of
like, okay, this is cool.
Oh, now it's verified by somepeople I actually follow, you
(33:18):
know, and so you know.
No offense to you guys, but Iknow that you, like you said,
you eat your own dog food, soyou make sure you're definitely
going to tout your own stuffright.
So it's like, hey, if you'resaying this and it's marrying up
with everybody, yep, I'm in,I'm solo, and I will say,
speaking of the data checkingout, by the way, I did have to
(33:40):
have these ready for you.
So after you're on the app fora while, you get not only you
got your basic, I got theadvanced here.
See if I can do that, there yougo, I got my, got my elite
marksman.
Yeah, got the elite there.
And then, so far, I have gotthe, the basic combat one, and
(34:01):
then the advanced combat I gotit and I got one more.
Oh, my goodness, dude, and Ilove the fact that this is just
part of what you guys do.
I didn't have to pay for those,those are super cool.
So they have the back andeverything and what I'm like
literally on the last test, thelast thing for the elite combat
(34:25):
and that is the, the hostagerescue advanced.
I'm wondering if my system is,because I'm not, I don't have
the hard.
I know you guys have like theplate to the replacement plate
here, for that has the rail onit and I just have it on there
with double stick tape right now.
(34:45):
So I'm kind of wondering ifmaybe there's just a tiny bit
too much vibration in that.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Maybe I think some help is right here.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's probably the problem.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I don't want to say you're ready to be elite.
Yeah, because it sounds likeyou're really, really close.
I'm going to tell you right nowthe rescue drills are so hard,
so hard, at least at level right, like you have to be a couple
for the other ones.
But yeah, getting getting avery last on the last one, that
(35:24):
challenges super difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I think five out of seven, I think it is, or
something like that that you getso or seven out of score.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Like you got a score over 90 or 95 for the last seven
out of 10, something like that.
It's off.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, the last one here, Let me see if I can pull
it up here.
The elite combat last one I'mdoing.
So you got to do completehostage rescue advanced drill
and save at least seven out ofthe 10 hostages.
And then looks like advanced hasto be a score of 85 or higher
and a time of less than 1.7seconds, and y'all, that's
(36:06):
that's.
That's hard, so it's on thepositive.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen somefolks in the groups doing it and
they're showing their elite,their elite badge, so that's
good.
So I know it's possible.
I just got to get better.
It's hard it is.
They tell me that it wasactually the double stick tape
or something on there that I'mactually like a nice level.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Maybe you should go out and do it live fire.
Just put your sticky note outthere at the range and do it.
You need to simulate actuallyrescuing a message and then the
adrenaline kicks in and it'sgoing through.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, and that's a really cool thing too, because
you can use for live fire, soyeah, and I fire.
This thing is humbling AF dude.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, like I said, you know, Igot started early and I was like
shot.
And then I was like, oh, I'mgoing to get a score.
So I was like, okay, let's takeit up and ready, ready dude, I
get out there and I was likedang it, dang it, dang it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I got a little bit of a game.
Yeah, I'm hitting 97s on dryfire and then suddenly you go to
the range and you're like allright, I'm going to hit at least
like a 90, 92 and you're like76.
What is this?
What we got going on?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I swear I'm broken an 80.
I swear yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, you're turning the guy next to you going I'm
there's a.
I was nervous there, it's mywrist or something.
I was kind of whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Can you look away?
I don't like when people startwith me while I shoot it.
It throws me out.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, the criminals will look away, that's for sure.
So, speaking, of criminals.
I gotta say like it's nutsseeing some of the stuff going
on today, Right, Like, have youseen?
Has Manta seen?
I gotta ask this one have youguys seen an increase in sales
in the last?
Like?
Oh, I don't know, Maybe it'sthe last three years?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay.
So yeah, I'm going to quantifythis day and a four year, right?
Because, like, how much of itis just sculling and then what
you made is it's like Driven,you know who is.
Like they used to say, I'm themost of the best on salesman,
right?
Like there might be a newchampion out there these days,
(38:34):
oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He's also the largest purchaser of ice cream.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah yeah.
If you don't have shares inblue bunny, you gotta get some
because it's going through therave.
Yeah yeah, dunging ice creamare probably sellers these days.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
But but yeah, I mean like, so really, yeah, have you
seen a pretty big boost, I guess.
I mean I don't want to liketrash any specific folks, but
like definitely you see a lotmore gun owners now.
You see a lot more folks thathave a real concern.
I think you know today, and soare you seeing stuff like, are
(39:17):
you hearing reports of folkslike hey, I really need to take
my shooting more seriously andhere's why you know, directly
related to kind of what's goingon in the world.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, so you know, I think G away has talked about
this before, and so is the PC,but Really there are more gun
buyers in the last five yearsand there ever have been in
history.
Right, I'm not with the rise ofthe industry at all.
(39:49):
Obviously we have our share ofthat portion of the industry.
But the reality is is dry firein general is being talked about
more, and I think just thosetwo points together and how well
they're converging is showingon our spectrum quite a bit.
And really, you know, it's oneof those deals where it's
(40:11):
helping us achieve the companymission.
But even more importantly, thefact that dry fire is being
talked about so much and thereare more gun owners now than
ever before, I think we're bothnot just positive stromantis in
the industry but for America,right, that's the point here is
(40:34):
it's in our blood.
It's the second thing we wrote,right, so it is, it is it's you
want to talk about identity andpolitics and however you want
to do that, that's that's asidentical as you can get for for
the.
You know the Republic that welive in.
(40:55):
So it's definitely one of thosedeals where it's for us but
it's for the country for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, and I like that , like you're saying, I think a
lot of people are.
You know, even to go back ontoa whole different topic.
But you know, I, during thatbig thing where the whole world
is set down for like a year orso there, right, I think that
was also really good.
I was actually obviously notthe pandemic itself wasn't good,
(41:23):
but I think it did produce somereally good results.
Specifically, you know, I'vementioned on here too, but like
another episode, but you knowyou saw folks that kind of
started realizing, oh, itdepends on me to take care of
myself and my family, not thatour, you know, police and law
(41:44):
enforcement folks are notcapable, but they're not
omnipresent, right.
So I think you know, especiallyin today's world, no one what's
going on and everything.
It's like, hey, I need to beprepared, I need to at least
have a basic understanding.
You know, I think even if aperson were to get into like the
70s or 80s on their score,that's better than a 40 or a not
(42:08):
shooting at all, and so it'sreally cool to see that, and so
I can only imagine you guys havesome, probably some fun
conversations around the watercooler there.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
So there's a handful, especially when we're doing
shows and we've always demounits that shows for people to
come up and right and get theirhands on it to see how it works.
And it's funny watching somepeople eat a little crow, they
walk up the big chest andthey're talking about how I
shoot my whole life and then youknow, shoot a 50, and they're
(42:42):
like, well, it's just like Ithink it's being miscalibrated
or something.
No, but it is important, right?
It's just like you said.
It's like even even people likeus, who've been, who've been in
it for a long time and doingtheir own thing and seeing Much
improvement, is still in frontof us.
It's not dumping, you know.
(43:04):
It's delivered in a way thatmakes you hungry for more
knowledge and to keep trying.
And, you know, if you push thatout against all the people that
come up to the shows and try itout and there are some funny
stories out there, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
What's all the part of crazy you've seen at a show,
like, tell me about a time that,like, was there anything that
stood out to you at shot?
That's just like, is this reallife right now?
Like what, so you're out there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I think so.
One one good one this wasactually one enforcement show
last year is like one of myfavorite ones is you kind of
live in your own likeperceptions, reality, like
you've heard the word right.
So your own bubble is the worldyou live in and sometimes you
get shocked out of that.
And so I'm going to this lawenforcement show after being
(43:55):
here for a year and I'm an OKshooter, but I'm going to law
enforcement show.
It's my first one.
These guys are all going to be,you know, snapshot wizards and I
have to be really careful withwhat we're doing and which these
guys and it was it was actuallymilitary police and law
enforcement was the show, and alot of the military police,
(44:18):
which you know I'm an army guyand like I go back with those
dudes All right, so I would havesome expectations going in.
I'm at my booth doing my thingand all these guys that had just
graduated school came throughand they're looking spent you
know what I mean Like it followson hair.
They're all carrying theirbadges and guns.
I'm like here we go, this isthis is the moment I've been
(44:41):
waiting for, right, like theseguys are going to just come in
here and start looking at anyfive steps and all four of them
shot like 60s and I was likedude.
I was like it's really you know,it's like oh man, like this is,
this is military and I'm likeno way.
(45:05):
I was shocked and they weresuper cool dudes, like obviously
they like they're good dudesand it was.
It was a good they was havingthose like a certain perception
of like guardian heroes shotsand stuff and like no wonder,
it's like dude, you have tocheck this out.
Man, like definitely try it,because I think you would like
(45:27):
it and get some, get some workout.
But it was really shocking forme.
It was, it was one of thosedays, you know, just like whoa,
whoa.
So they're super funny, they'rereally shocking.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah Well, and like you know, you bring up a good
point.
I think a lot of the times wethink those you know anyone in
law enforcement we kind of holdthem to this almost unrealistic
expectation of perfection.
Yes, and then you start seeingstuff.
Like you know the situationthat happened down in Houston
recently and and you see, yousee different situations around
(46:03):
the country and the world whereyou think you have a plan, kind
of like Tyson says everybody'sgot a plan until you get punched
in the mouth, right yeah.
But like suddenly, if you'reput in a live fire situation
where your or somebody else'slife depends on it, you react
totally differently.
It's hard to train under thoseexact circumstances and so it's
(46:27):
very interesting to see.
But like I think it also notonly is it funny to kind of go,
yeah, they're just normal,they're just like me, but also
it is kind of a humbling thingto go, okay, well, if they can
do it, so can I.
Right, I think I'm going toflip that on his head and say
the average person can be justas good as them, and so that's a
really cool.
That's a really cool storyactually.
(46:47):
So I like that.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
It was.
It was definitely one of thosedeals where you know it and you
got to take into considerationto like almost all police
departments and you know,including the military to do not
get enough time on the range,and that's not their fault.
Right, like these are men andwomen out here putting their
lives on the line who were, theyare highly trained.
(47:12):
Right, they spend a ton of timemaking this stuff happen.
And it is one of those dealswhere it's like they don't get
near enough time out there to goshoot.
They don't get enough time topractice and doing something
like dry fire alone, with orwithout Mantis I mean with
Mantis, but without to.
It's one of those deals whereit's like, okay, this is going
to help us push our skills andbecause that's becoming more
(47:33):
popular, it helps in that.
But yeah, just like you said,we are heroes and we always have
been, and the main way that Igo up there and put their lives
on the line to help protectthose rights and those liberties
and these are all of the creditthey get, because it's just
(47:53):
like you said, the drillmanstarts pumping things If you
don't have the flame waterskills that you've drilled into
your head over and over, becauseyou don't do it every single
day.
Something might happen, andit's.
It is one of those deals whereit's like, yep, this is on me,
so take the responsibility andgo from.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Absolutely, and you know it's funny because I'm
actually looking up a videoright here, because there's
actually one.
Where did you see the videofrom?
You know who Agilite is theyeah, plate carrier guys and so,
yeah, a lot of really good gearand everything.
So they actually did a video,published it right during a
(48:35):
short show of from was it fromthe Middle East, from war to
shot show basically is what itwas.
And so literally one of theirguys was in combat and literally
flew back Like he was onschedule and everything
(48:55):
literally left combat, flieshome, showers, changes, has like
a night and then gets to shotshow and he's just back to back
to back and he hits the groundrunning with this smile on his
face.
I'm going like that's, that'sdedication, right there, that's
commitment.
And so you know you talkingabout the, the men and women of
(49:16):
our law enforcement and militaryand everything, just they are
their top watch.
You know, obviously there aresome crap heads out there that
go out, you know, I don't know,light themselves on fire in
front of a gate and everythingelse.
But those are some whack jobs,right, those, those are the
outliers.
And I feel really bad for thatguy.
(49:36):
I really do, because he's he'sbought into something that isn't
true, isn't real and Obviouslyhas some different disorders.
But at that, at that stage, youknow, I think anybody who's
experienced some traumaticevents would, would kind of have
a similar, maybe not quite asrash of a decision.
(49:57):
But you know, to speak aboutour kind of our blanket military
and stuff, I mean, do we havesome credible folks out there?
And so you'll always have theweird bad apples here and there.
But Organs, whatever, you know.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, I mean that's the open, the open scale of
humanity For us in your mediaand direct connect and where we
can see everything almostimmediately.
Right it's.
It's on the same sort of like.
Two separate what it was from,but they're basically saying,
(50:38):
like Some famous scientist guyI'm gonna jack this up, some
remember who it was, but youknow he's basically saying like
we weren't like designed or notyet adapted to Yep, taking this
information all the time, right,like I'm gonna be tuned in all
the time.
So you know I like to sometimesShut it off and go shoot my
(51:00):
guns and that's literallytherapy for me is for your time.
So you know, if life's feelingcrazy you can't seem to tune it
out, go do some dry presses or,you know, go out to the range
and poke some holes in paper andsee what that does for your
mindset.
That seems to help quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, yeah, as long as you're improving your shot,
because if you're like me, yougo out to the range some days
and you end up in a worstmindset why, I got some fun
stuff coming up here as well.
I think you'll have to.
Maybe we'll have to use theMantis X on the, the thing I was
(51:39):
talking to you about before theshow, but I don't want to give
it away too much because I gotyeah, I got a cool comparison
video coming up here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
But Do you know what's really cool idea?
Show the breakdown and data andstuff.
That's.
That'd be sick.
I'm making the ice cream forthat one.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Let's do it, man, let's do it.
So yeah, so tell me a littlebit about.
I know we're kind of near inthe end of our time here, but
where is?
Is there anything that you canshare where Mantis X is like
kind of headed to, because Iknow like there was just a
massive update right to the appand then I think there's some
more stuff.
There was some hints, I think,what I don't know if it's social
(52:15):
channels or what, but there wassome hints at big stuff coming.
Is there anything you can tellus that maybe is Fair enough to
share?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely there's.
There's a lot of exciting stuffhappening and it happening
right now.
Even so, we did we just droppedlaser Academy 2.0.
That was, I think, justNovember and December, so it's
only been a couple months.
That's been really bad andthat's the only other product
that we've yet, but Yep, so thatjust went up and then this year
(52:51):
we have a model of it.
Sure, show over all theprototypes and three productions
that we've got, currently forAR 15.
We've just released one for MCX, so those are out.
Ar 10, at-47, scar light andscar heavy Circumstance here.
Nice, yeah, that's got peopleelectric.
(53:13):
They're really excited.
We're all the work reallyexcited.
And then also at SOC.
So I don't know if you get togo into the the dark room there,
but we have a projection systemcoming out that works out of
like the bone of what laserAcademy is All right it's all.
Yeah, it's.
It's really, really cool thatthe big thing about projection
(53:35):
system is we're gonna becompetitive for the consumer
market, right, like if you don'tlook at some of those other
ones out there who I also won'tname names here.
But yeah, they're expensive.
They're expensive to get into.
You know we're talking likethousands of dollars to make
that happen.
What we've got going on Runsoff of your phone into just
(53:56):
about any projector.
You could get your hands oncheap or expensive Projects, a
program for you.
It gets recognized by thecamera on your phone, just like
laser Academy does, and it runssimulations, deal-mophize things
.
You can use our black beards onthem.
If our laser pistols so Isgonna be coming out at the same
(54:18):
time to you, yeah, we're reallyexcited about that one.
That one's gonna be a lot offun For sure.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Now we?
That brings up another questionfor me, but I have to ask that
one off here.
So, because I got ideas, oh, Igot ideas.
So, man, dude, that's awesome,because I think you know that's
If I gotta say man, obviouslyyou guys have already done the
work and the research andeverything.
But I'm going yeah, that's theperfect next step.
(54:45):
Right, is that projection side?
And going like, how do you takemy fight to the next level?
They're dad's insane.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
And that also reminds me to and I probably should
have started with this insteadof the projection thing.
We've just been doing for awhile and are ready to drop it.
But we are doing.
We're doing some work with acompany called Magic Leap who
uses in various augmentedreality goggles Okay, and we
have a little display for thatshot shows well, but basically
(55:12):
there are goggles that arerunning, you know, targets or
simulations or things for youplace in the real world.
So not just a VR simulation thatyou can use your blackbeard for
.
And, as a matter of fact, ifanyone wants to go see any of
and if you guys see any activeself-protection, any of those
guys like John Korea or NeilWhiteman they did a video of
(55:35):
that so if you want to go see it, go look at the ass slash
mantis X augmented reality.
Go check it on YouTube.
You can see how it works andit's gonna be really exciting to
you.
Don't stones a little bitfurther out in the projection
system, but obviously it's upand running and off the ground
and we're making work on it, sothat's a really cool system to
you.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, I'm glad you said that I'll actually throw a
link to that down in thedescription of this, of this
episode.
So then that way folks willpick it out they can, because,
yeah, I am really excited tohear about that one, to see it.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
So yeah, it's gonna be pretty cool.
We're really excited about thatone.
Just, you know, it's one ofthose deals where it's your
rainfall and you know, and alsowould be your world with targets
in it, so it's gonna be prettysweet.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
We're excited, absolutely now that's, that's
amazing.
Well, I mean, I can say I know,I know Kara was out there with
you guys during shot and GOS,and she goes right, I can't even
tell you what's coming, and I'mlike I'm sure that's probably
what it was, but it was justlike I can't even tell you
what's coming, but you're,you're gonna flip when you see
what's happening.
I'm like, okay, cool, you know.
(56:42):
Like what do you?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
what do you mean?
I didn't know what she'stalking and you are gonna flip
and you really, I can't say much, I can't say anything, but I
got you.
Well, now it comes out, it'sgonna be like dude, what it's?
It's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Um, well, now I know that you're.
You're coming my way herebefore too long for some
personal stuff, right yeah?
Yeah, I'm gonna be done it likethree weeks ago.
So so you're gonna slip thatinto your bag, whatever that is,
and then I will I've just seenit.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
But before they go out to the palm, obviously we're
gonna, if things dice ever rollthe right way, yeah, let's go,
man, let's go.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty cool.
I'm excited to see everythingthat you guys have going on and
and kind of what's coming outthis year.
So Again, man, um, I get so.
Thanks so much for being on theshow.
Uh, I really appreciate youtaking time.
I know, like I say, it's been acouple weeks for us kind of
coming here, but, um, I'm gladwe finally had the chance to sit
down and chat.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Thanks to you, man.
I really appreciate being hereand you know, obviously I love
talking about what we do and andI love mantis, but, um, you
know, being able to sit downwith cool people and have good
conversations about it andwhat's going on with the
industry, I can't tell you howmuch I personally appreciate
that and how much mantisappreciates the opportunity to
do so.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Hey, of course, man, anytime I uh, like I say, I've
got some stuff coming out thisyear that, uh, I'm gonna try to
partner up with you guys somemore Um, to show not only you
know it's not salesy, but at thesame point just to kind of show
that it really does help me, um, and so I'm really excited for
that.
But, um, and I'm also going tobe very, very happy once I
(58:26):
finally get my elite combatbadge.
So that thing pisses me off sobad right now.
Just breathe through it Yep, ah,well, cool.
Um, thanks again for checkingout the episode here.
I appreciate you guys, uh,everybody who's tuned in.
If you want to learn more aboutmantis, uh, go check out the
(58:48):
section, the description of thisshow here.
Uh, I'll actually put links toanything we talked about in the
description here.
Um, and also, you know, like Isay, if you want to get the x,
the x 10, I would, I woulddefinitely recommend the x 10.
You can still get the x, yep,two, three.
I think you get two or threeright now.
I'll get the 10 for sure.
(59:09):
We just send a little extra.
It's not much.
But you get holster drawanalysis and everything else.
So I'll throw a link to thatdown there as well.
Um, because, like you say, it'sit's crazy, but I am.
I have fully drank the kool-aidat this point.
It's 94 shooters, myselfincluded, can can say in less
like 20 minutes dude, you'reshot improves, that's nuts.
(59:31):
So, um, also, again, a bigshout out to our sponsor, alien
gear holsters.
Uh, be sure, and check outtheir new rapid force level 3
duty holsters in the show notesalso.
And, uh, I guess we will seeyou on the next episode here on
the brew house.
Thanks again, jack.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Thanks guys.
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