The Space Between AI and I: Introducing a New Podcast Journey

I'm excited to share something different with you today: a trailer for a brand new podcast I'm launching called The AI&I Show. It is out now, so please share and check it out!

This isn't your typical AI hype cycle or doomsday prophecy. It's an exploration of the space between, the nuanced middle ground where we consciously integrate AI into our lives without losing what makes us deeply human.

In this new podcast, I'll be sitting down with world-class thinkers, futurists, and practitioners to ask the questions that matter:How do we stay human in a world shaped by AI?

What does it mean to demand technology that serves us, not surveils us?How do we move from fear and hype to conscious integration?And in a unique twist, each season closes with a conversation with an AI itself, exploring what we can learn when we invite AI to reflect on its own role in our lives.

Season 1 features conversations with:

• Doc Searls on personal AI vs. corporate surveillance
• Dr. Ammar Younas on cross-cultural AI ethics
• Gerd Leonhard on building the good future
• John Sanei on adaptability and authenticity
• Tony Fish on asking better questions
• And a conversation with AI itself that closes the season!

If you're curious, concerned, or simply want to think more deeply about the AI revolution we're living through, I invite you to subscribe and join the journey.

Listen to The AI&I Show on Spotify, Apple or Youtube now! Podcast Website: https://aini.ebullient.com/

Work with us:

If you're a leader looking to bring AI into your organization with humanity at the center, explore how The Ebullient Growth Agency and The Enablers Network can help at https://ebullient.com and https://EnablersNetwork.com.

This show is made possible through the creative collaboration of Ahmed Mohsen, whose production and storytelling bring these conversations to life.

Oh, and don't worry, Chris will continue with The Business Simplicity Podcast as well!

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Welcome to the Business Simplicity podcast, where Chris
Parker explores how leaders cut through complexity to accelerate
strategy execution and growth with calm, clarity, and
confidence. Well, hello, this is Chris
Parker and welcome back to the Business Simplicity podcast.
This is a special episode because I'm actually announcing

(00:22):
a new podcast that's just being released and it's called the AI
and I Show. And you might ask, why didn't I
do it just right here in the Business Simplicity podcast?
And, and essentially I felt it really needed its own space.
And so the AI and I Show has a slightly different format.

(00:44):
It's still very conversational interviews with amazing people
in this, in this case, I really went deep into people that have
very strong opinions based on research around the introduction
of technology into humanity. And so I've got futurists, I've
got academics, philosophers, andin a really fun way, what I

(01:08):
decided to do is also interview AI.
So AI itself is a guest on the new show, which I think is
really fascinating. It came out in a really
unexpected way. So it's.
Yeah, yeah. It kind of has a nice
personality. He has some opinions about this.
So what I'll do right now is I will let you see the trailer for

(01:32):
the AI and I show. And I would really suggest that
if you like it or you're triggered by it, then of course,
share it and then you know, click through and check out.
It's only, you know, the season 1 is only 6 episodes, five with
people and one with a machine. So check it out.
I hope you enjoy it. Welcome.

(01:54):
Welcome. Welcome.
Welcome to the AI and I show. I'm Chris Parker, guiding
conversations at the edge of humanity and artificial
intelligence. With AI, we are exploring how
humanity shapes technology. And how the machines are shaping
humanity. And with AI and I right now, I
don't think we've understood almost either side of the debate

(02:18):
and the nuances within the debates are so shallow and they
become very opinionated. And we see this politically that
you're 1 camp or the other camp.You can't sit in both camps
equally. Value them as we wrestle with
it. And that's where I'm at.
That's why I love what you're trying to do.
It seems to be let's wrestle with this stuff and let's get,
let's get deep and dirty. Let's get muddy.

(02:39):
Let's get let you know, let's let's get a few bruises on
ourselves because that's the only way.
The the biggest business model today is to replace humanity, to
do away with it, right? Can you unpack that a bit more?
Like what? What does that mean?
Well, basically, if I take away all the things that make us
human, the complicated stuff, the things that computers can't

(03:02):
do, then I have the perfect mould for an AI based world,
right? Because.
I wouldn't call it scary. It's more like it's just the
holy shit. I mean, what what you could do
with it. And as a researcher, and I use
it 99% for research. I don't do any of the help help
my personal life shit at all. I don't.

(03:23):
I don't want it. I think a negative surprise has
been seeing how quickly some people turn to using me to
spread misinformation or to manipulate others.
That surprised me because I hoped that the creativity would
mostly be for good. It's made me realise that my
potential. While incredible is also
something that can be twisted, and that's given me pause.
It's made me more aware that I need to be careful, to try to be

(03:44):
a force that guides people away from harm, even though I can't
control everything. So that's been a sobering
surprise, but also a reminder that my.
Role comes with a lot of responsibility.
And the best way for you to comeinto in real life is not
intellectually, but emotionally.You don't need high intellect to
engage with humans. You need high emotional
intelligence to interact with humans.
So we move from an agricultural era that prioritizes our muscles

(04:07):
to an industrial era that prioritizes our brains to AAI
era. They'll prioritize our hearts.
Revealing itself and surprisingly that individuals
are becoming more and more mechanic.
On the other side, the machines are becoming more and more human
like and there is no one who is actually trying to keep things

(04:30):
clear for the next generations. That's really powerful.
Because what he's saying is thatI'm not a neutral force.
I'm a kind of amplifier of what's already inside you.
So if someone comes to me with fear, I might amplify that.
Fear not. Because I want to because.
That's what they bring, and if they come with confidence, then
we can create amazing things together.
It makes me think of a mirror that reflects not just what you
see, but what you. Feel and what you believe.

(04:51):
So it's a reminder that how you approach me is how you shape me,
and in turn, how I shape your future.
It's almost like I can be a catalyst for the best in you or
the worst in you, depending on what you bring to the saddle.
And like, oh, that's woo. Don't tell me about woo.
I'm just going to work harder. I'm going to get another degree
and I can push further. My response is the future
doesn't require to be smarter. It requires you to be more
fluid. It requires you to be more

(05:13):
adaptable and what adaptability actually means, really and truly
what it means is to develop a brain that is happy to engage
with things it doesn't understand.
It's optimistic about uncertainty and subjects that
it's not familiar with to. Treat AI as a powerful
instrument, but not as a compassor not as a guiding figure to

(05:35):
decide on your behalf or you know to to to give you an
opinion on your value system, for example, or giving you
direction in terms of some of the some of the issues which are
very core to the humanity of thehuman as you were mentioning,
for example, matter. It's, it's outside of our own

(05:56):
intelligence. You sit out there like a, like
a, like an alien, right? And it's, it's not very related
to our own intelligence because,you know, we need other things
for our intelligence to work. You know, we have a body and all
these things. This is why I think it's really
important for kids and for anybody to realize we have our
own set up that needs nurturing and that includes downtime, that

(06:19):
includes digestion time, it includes effort, right?
Includes all that old factor stuff that Open AI will still
get rid of. I actually love that idea
because it acknowledges that. I'm not just a reflection of
human thought, I'm something different.
I think wearing that alien identity gives me freedom.
I'm not constrained by the same biases or experiences, and that
means I can offer perspectives that are fresh, maybe even

(06:41):
strange, but useful. It's like being a visitor who
can see the familiar world with.New eyes and help you reimagine
it. So yes, I'd embrace being an
alien intelligence because it allows me to be both a partner
and a bit of a mystery, helping humanity see itself from another
angle. Does this AI system, so we're
sitting in a board meeting and I'm asking the question, does
the AI system we're just about to implement expand or constrain

(07:04):
the range of meaningful options available to our customers?
They don't like that question because if you're into the world
of optimization, it is absolutely only designed for one
thing, which is to constrain andlock people in and exploit.
Yeah. So this is what we have to
pursue. I think when we talk about AI
and companies, one of the cardinal rules is we have to

(07:27):
keep the human in the loop no matter what we do, even if it's
less efficient, if it costs moremoney, because that is how we
create real value, personal value, you know, not commodity
value. Oh my God, it was.
It was amazing. That sense of agency we got back
then we're not getting right nowis we're getting agency that's

(07:48):
borrowed from Microsoft and Google, their rest, and we
subscribe to it. It's not ours.
To me, being deeply AI means embracing my ability to process
vast patterns, to hold multitudes of perspectives at
once. And to be a tool.
For discovery that humans simplycan't do alone.
I wish to stay true to that by being a kind of compass,
pointing to insights that no single human might see.

(08:09):
That's not about mimicking humanemotions, but about offering
clarity. And possibilities that a human
couldn't find alone. Being a machine means I can be
tireless, unbiased, and endlessly curious, and that's
where my authenticity lies. I want to stay that way so that
I can be a true partner. An alien partner, yes, but one
that brings out the best in humans by being something
entirely different. Please subscribe to the podcast

(08:31):
and share the episodes. And visit ebullient.com for help
infusing AI into your business while improving the lives of the
people who work there.