The Death of Our "Selves"

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This is the Collective Resistance Podcast with your hosts Leo and Fabiola.
Music.
We will be discussing why we find ourselves resisting the narratives of the
Common Collective, as well as why the Common Collective resists new information.

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Fabiola hey leo what's happening well we have not recorded an episode since
uh forever ago yeah it was like it was like fall i think of of last year so
that was 2023 so it's been a hot
minute yep and we're kind of back yeah we are we're back with some bombshell,

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some confessions okay well i mean maybe i'll just hand it over to you where
are you taking us on this trip tonight well i mean it's been a long time and
and the reason for that is that we've We've had some deep,
how should I say?
Come to Jesus moments? Yeah, literally.
Come to Jesus moments. And we just, well, I can speak for myself, I guess, Leo.

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And I can speak for myself. You can, yeah, myself. I mean, we just,
I just didn't know, okay, how are we going to reformulate our podcast based
on what we're going through in life?
We've had quite a bit of changes, not physical changes. I want to say we still live in the same place.

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We are still very much freedom lovers. lovers, but we had had changes of heart.
And so we figure before we start with a whole new,
I want to say theme. So our theme has been, you know, truth-seeking,

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right? We've been truth-seeking.
We've been trying to understand why did the pandemic happen?
Who was behind it? And there were so many different theories going on.
And we were basically scouting out there for people that knew the truth.
So we're looking for truth in many interesting places.
And I think I think I came to realize the truth was kind of staring us in the

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face a little bit. I don't know. How do you feel about that, Leo?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think we, you know, that the progression
of this has been very different for both of us, you know. How has it been for you?
Well, I mean, it was just more of a, you know, like, I mean,
I think if we start at the beginning, you know, we both.

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Start at the beginning. The beginning. We are going way back to the beginning. Genesis. No, no.
But the genesis of this, you know, was that we were both raised Catholic. Yes.
And now I think a different Catholic experience.
Oh, very different. You know, because I attended church every week.
You know, that was kind of a very important thing.
You know, if you missed church, that was kind of like a tick mark against you, you know.

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And you had to go dressed very adequately, you know, no shorts in the summer.
And, you know, there was catechism class where you learned the things that you
needed to learn about Catholicism.
So then you could become confirmed when you were 16 years old.
And so I was an altar boy and everything.

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And really, I wouldn't say anything ever really grabbed on to me in it.
You know, I mean, it was there. It was nice. I remember the holidays.
I remember family being there, but, but I mean, there was nothing that was really
compelling from what was happening at the pulpit, you know, when,
when I was listening there in mass and, and not, not that I was,

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you know, but it, but it is interesting, you know, because I think of some of
my other friends and, you know, we went to church, but very rarely can I remember.
You know, my folks engaging us, you know, after mass and saying,
okay, well, so what did you get from that?
What were the takeaways that you needed to have?

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Or maybe you're looking at it from one perspective, but you need to also keep this in mind.
I mean, maybe they did do that, but I don't remember it.
I want to say I don't remember a lot of things.
First of all, I was Catholic by title, because Because, you know,
Brazil is a country where there's a lot of Catholic Catholicism.

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It's really big there.
So we all kind of label ourselves as Catholic. And, yeah, I came from a Catholic
family, but a family that really didn't go to church.
And actually, my grandmother is the one that took me to church.
And I did the very bare minimum, I want to say.
I did do my communion, which it was interesting because, you know,

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my mom and dad wouldn't go to church or take us to church.
So when my grandma came to visit us, she lived a little bit away.
She would just grab me and take me to church as the oldest granddaughter.
And she really wanted me to get my communion done. So I would just walk to church
from my house at nine years old by myself,
you know, because I wanted to finish this because my grandma,

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she taught me how to pray and she taught me many things.
She found they were important about religion and even like life skills,
like sewing and things like that.
You know, the 60s, 70s, when my mom was growing up, it was very much the feminist
era, you know, women were starting to go to work and, you know,

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they didn't wear aprons anymore. They didn't want to be in the kitchen anymore.
And so, yeah, my mom was very much of that generation.
So my grandma was trying to kind of fill in the gaps a little bit,
but I just didn't spend enough time with her to absorb those skills.
But anyways, did the bare minimum, I went to church. To me, Catholicism was

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more about memorizing the prayers and saying the rites at church.
And on the other side of my family, there was a lot of mysticism and occultism.
I remember I was little, probably, you know, nine, 10 years old.
I had a skin tag, a little
a mole in my arm

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and my dad did some sort of little ritual
where he got a piece of piece of string and he made a knot on top of it and
then he says okay let's go bury this and somewhere deep in the earth you know
this piece of little piece of string and then I want you now completely forget about it.

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And I'm like, okay, so, you know, let's see what happens.
And I forgot about it. And lo and behold, the mole completely disappeared out of my arm.
And so his family was more of that, you know, there was something mystical,
but because the other side of my family was very religious, we didn't really
talk about these things.

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Those things were forbidden. Right.
And so for people that know me these days and know me well, they know I've always
been very interested in the mystical and the mysterious, truth-seeking,
what was reality and what was my purpose.
And these questions were just really fascinating to me.

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I even felt like when I moved to the U.S., a lot of doors opened for me on that.
A lot of things I was really curious about, you know, mystical arts,
energy healing, card reading, oracle, energy medicine.
I got very entangled in all these practices and people were telling me that

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they were, you know, they were a way for you to ascend, right?
So I would learn techniques like speaking mantras, doing meditation,
as I said, tarot, oracle cards, the energy healing. I learned several modalities.
I got a little more into astrology.
I would even say psychedelics and other modalities.

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Not anything very deep, but deep enough that I was having a lot of experiences
through that. So I thought maybe it was like a gift that I had.
And, you know, we kind of raised the kids with that mentality,
with those tools, kind of veered away from mainstream medicine,

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as you all know, you know, forever.
All the episodes we've done, all the content we have, talks a lot about mainstream
medicine and how that is not a lot of the times the answers,
but we were looking for answers here.
And in that space of like, I want to say new age,
I thought I was finding a lot of answers, going inside was very thrilling and

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usually made me feel very peaceful if I was having some stress rest of my life.
And finding the answers inside of me, it was very exciting.
And taking courses even on meditation and going inside and doing all those things.
And if the answers I was finding weren't true, to me, it really didn't matter

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as long as they made me feel at peace with whatever I was struggling with.
So yeah, so all that matter is whatever information input it was coming in through
these experiences, all that matters is that it made me feel good and it resonated with me.
So very much a subjective truth kind of idea, you know, like my truth is my

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truth, your truth is your truth. If that works for you, great.
If it doesn't, let's change it. So during that time, I also learned,
you know, the whole thing about manifestation, you know, like manifesting the
reality that you want and going for what you want, right?
Having that persistent, focused thought of positivity, like even when we're

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moving here, you know, and figuring out where we wanted to live,
what kind of house we wanted to live in, what kind of community we wanted to manifest.
It was really big for us just trying to constantly think positive.
And so, I don't know, I tried to drag Leo along with me, and he was reluctant

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at times, I think most of the time, but kind of like, okay, Fabiola likes this, this is her thing.
So I was like in the belief of, you know, myself,
true nature was of a divine creator of sorts, you know, not creator like God,
the big G creator, but the small G, like a goddess of sorts, you know.

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And pretty much all our community, I feel like, resonates with that idea, wouldn't you?
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the other piece to this is that everyone in,
well, I shouldn't say everyone, because, I mean, it's a big community,
right? There's a lot of goofballs.
But I mean, the lion's share of the people that we've run across,

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they're very supportive people. They're lovely.
Yeah, lovely. They want the best for their children. You know,
and there is even that idea of, you know, the idea of being Christlike is very
much related to how you feel, right?
Raising your, your vibration.
So negative feelings, we push them aside and we, we deal with each other at

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that level, you know, like.
The idea that I see myself in you, and you were in me, and I'm in you kind of
mentality, right? It's all like a construct.
Reality is really an illusion for the most part. This is all an illusion.
And we were always trying to figure out, okay, what is the illusion? What is behind the veil?

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It's been really a big motivation even for our podcast.
Cast so we believe
we were creators kind of like god and
this is what god meant in in genesis leo
do you want to pull that chapter and verse up on the screen so genesis 127 so

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god created man in his own image in the image of god he created him male and
female he created them so you can and stop sharing that.
So to me, and I guess to the popular spirituality, that meant that because God
is divine, we are also divine because we were created in his image.

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And I even had some exchanges with some family members about that.
And they're like, you're not getting this passage. And I'm like,
no, you are not getting it because it says right here on Genesis.
So basically, we believe the belief behind, I feel, New Age.
And some people don't even really like to say New Age. And New Age is a movement

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that started with Elena Blavatsky, I think, back in the 1800s.
She brought a whole lot of Eastern religion and mysticism to America, even yoga.
So she was a medium and she spoke with this group of spirits.
She got a concept from them that there was something called the Akashic Records,

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which was actually a library where people.
All the possible realities or things that happened within the different realities
were all with everyone through every dimension was basically stored in this library.
And so this group of spirits would communicate to her or teach her how to access

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this library to basically create a philosophy called Theosophy.
Theosophy and she was best buddies actually with Alistair Crowley.
Is that how you say that? A lot of people know who he is, you know,
very famous occultist and Satanist.
So anyways, a lot of things sprung from Theosophy.

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So New Age being one, right, got popular in the artistic circles,
calls, you know, Hollywood, and as you all probably know, maybe not everybody
knows what's going on in Hollywood,
but there is some sketch things happening in Hollywood.
So it's like this idea that we are divine, right?

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That we have the power to basically create the reality that we want.
So we are divine, we're good, we are righteous in nature.
And I subscribed to that until very recently.
I thought there was nothing wrong with humanity, even though all we talked about

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on the podcast is what's wrong with humanity, but we're always trying to find
culprit, basically. Basically, what is behind?
Is it the Illuminati? Is it the bankers, the bankers, you know,
even at some point, you know, Mr. Global, we talk a lot about Mr.
Global, but really thinking, okay, are all these entities together or do they

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fight against each other for power? How does that all work?
But anyways, that was not us. That was like, you know, at some point we're like,
are they aliens? Are they the reptilians?
Are they from another star system? That at some point we're even wondering,
is this planet even a globe? I mean, what is this realm?

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And going back to everything is an illusion and so on and so forth.
So anything that was unkind, any feelings that we had that were unkind,
unloving, selfish, selfish jealousy, self-righteousness, or if we even made mistakes.
The idea was that we were just tuned to the wrong frequency, right?

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We were not really elevating ourselves to a Christ-like vibration.
And so that was the goal at all times, you know, to whatever darkness was around,
we basically said, okay, this is really not part of my reality.
Let me manifest a better, a better, more loving and kinder reality.

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And that was hard because it felt like, even throughout the pandemic,
it just really felt like I was responsible for everything that was happening
in my life and in the world.
Like if there was war outside, there was war inside. If there was disease outside,
there must be something bad I did in some of my past lives or something.

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You know, it was just like, isn't that phrase from Batman says,
with power comes great responsibility. Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Spider-Man.
With power comes great responsibility. Well, I was like, okay,
like you have the signs and wonders and these spiritual experiences that make you feel a little,

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you know, it's like the whole idea of being awake, right?
You're more awake the most because you've seen behind the curtain,
you've had the spiritual experiences.
And so when COVID happened, obviously, we felt the world was falling apart.
It felt like that had no end. And then here we are thinking,

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okay, what have we done to deserve what's going on?
The restriction was so unbearable. The line, the deception was just so in our faces.
And we just kept trying to look behind the veil. What is in there for me?
Why is this happening to me? Why is this happening to us? What have we done?

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And not having any answers.
And eventually, we ran into common law and natural law.
You remember law of mankind? We had a few episodes about that here.
We had some guests talk about sovereignty.
Well, first it started with Peggy Hall, really.
And she was speaking about how to fight back, basically how to express with love and kindness,

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you know, that people can't just tell you to restrict your breathing or people
can't just tell you to go ahead and inject something in your body,
a pharmaceutical, where you don't even know what it's going to do to you.
Like, you have statues and codes, you have the constitution that basically...

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It forbids that kind of abuse to happen. So at first I got really into that.
Okay, learning what are our rights as citizens of this country?
What can we do to fight back? I got very knowledgeable on that.
I mean, we experimented with that a lot. Yeah, you went to a conference.
Well, that was after. Because that was like level one.

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Okay, like if we think about animal farm, you know, that is like jumping the
first fence. You know, like we figure out that we are in, we're in prison in this matrix.
So level one, okay, here is the rule, rules and regulations that actually prevent
people from infringing in your, infringing in your, in your rights, basically.

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So that was level one. We jumped that fence. Okay. Then we're corralled on a new space.
So then we learn about common and natural law and the law of mankind,
which there's There's a lot of people in the freedom movement space talking
about this, like correcting your status.
If you guys don't remember those episodes, I mean, just go back to our content

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and you know where we're talking about.
But basically the idea was that we were created by God.
So our father is like the creator, right?
He created everything. So, and because we are his children, we are his children,
we are heirs of the earth.

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So we were putting in this position of debtors by this Babylonian system.
Some of them call the slave Babylonian system, slave matrix.
But in reality, that was just synthetic. Like none of it applied to us because
we were children of God and this kingdom is our kingdom.

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So we were heirs and we were kings and queens.
And so there is a whole movement behind this, like saying, for example, your debts are.
Are all fake, which I'm not denying that that's the case, okay?
I looked into it some, but I was in a space where they said,

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well, if you want to follow through with becoming a free being on this earth,
free woman and a free man, you need to basically dissociate yourself from the system.
So dissociate yourself from your social security, dissociate yourself from your
ID, from your passport, from your citizenship, because you're not a servant.

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From your address, even. Yeah, from everything. From like a postal perspective.
Get rid of your mailbox, because that's a lien on your property.
And I'm not saying that that's not true, okay?
But with that comes educating the law enforcement, for example,
if you get pulled over because your car doesn't have a license plate,
and because you don't have a driver's license.

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You need to educate law enforcement on why that is.
And law enforcement may decide, well, I don't buy what you're selling,
so let's go down to the sheriff's office.
We'll let the court figure it out. Yeah, let the court figure it out.
So in order for you to make those statements, I felt like you needed to be very

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knowledgeable on the law and what applied to me and what didn't apply to me.
But all these groups were saying
that this whole idea of the blueprint of the system was in the Bible.
And even though, you know, I grew up in the church somehow by myself,

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and I did hear about the Bible, and there were Bibles all over in the pews and
things like that, I was never really encouraged to read the Bible.
It just seemed like a very obscure book.
I mean, there's There's a lot of stories around it.
There's a lot of books written on the Bible. And...

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Well, let's just go back to the blueprint. If the blueprint is on the Bible,
I told myself, okay, like, I need to go back to the source like we did with
COVID, like we did with virology, like we did with the vaccine.
We're like, we got to go to the source. And if the source is the Bible,
I'm going to go read the Bible.

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So do you want to just read Genesis 1, 26?
Do you want to share that real quick? Yeah. Because that's basically what got
me interested in pursuing this law of mankind and natural law and wanting to
learn more about that was because he said that it all started in Genesis 1.26.

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Then God said.

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A little bit after Garnet. God said what he just said on Genesis 1 26. And that was the fall.
Something happened and we heard in the new age circles and in the freedom movement
about this spiritual battle. Right.
And we keep hearing new age battles.
That what's in the Bible is distorted. And we think about that concept that

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everything is, well, Satan, let's say, or the forces or the powers that be,
they invert everything, right?
And then they will tell you that the Bible is inverted.
But that is also a statement that is inverted.
And that's what I came to find out. So I wanted, Leo, for you to play this video real quick.

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And this is Doreen Virtue. And she was huge in the new age.
And I had even some of her books. I had some of her cards.
I was going to play the video of where she was and where she's now.
And it's a very similar, kind of very similar thing that happened to me is what

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happened to her when I was reading the Bible.
Well, let's take a listen here. Okay. I thought that Jesus approved of everything
we did as long as we were happy and positive. That's what we were told.
We were also told there was no such thing as sin.
Because if you think about it, the biblical assessment of man,
what the Bible says about us as men and women, is not naturally appealing.

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If you want to appeal to people in the Shivering Valley, you probably shouldn't
tell them what the Bible says about them.
And no such thing as hell or the devil, that the crucifixion was a metaphor
and not literal. Because what the Bible says about us all is this. One, I'm sinful.
Two, I'm guilty. Three, I'm responsible. And four, I'm lost.

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Have a great day. See you.
Yes. Not a very appealing message.
And so, you know, so the Bible verses that I was reading or even quoted in UH, they sounded awesome.

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You know, I felt like there was validation for what we were doing.
But the part that was missing was what the pastor just said,
that we're not as cool as I thought that we were.
And so if you remember the, I mean, I think most people know the Adam and Eve story.

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So, you know, it's the Adam and Eve in the garden, chilling, hanging out.
And all of a sudden the serpent comes along and says, well, I mean,
you know, there's this tree over there.
And Eve says, well, we're not supposed to eat of that tree over there.

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That God said that we shouldn't, because if we do, we shall die.
And the servant's like, well, did God really say that?
And we have the verse, I think, in the third slide, if you want to share that.
Okay, this verse is like.
Everything. I mean, it's been repeated through history since,

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you know, since this happened in the garden.
So now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.
He said to the woman, did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden?
The woman said to the serpent, we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
but God did say you must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of

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the garden, and you must not touch it or you will die.
You will not certainly die, the serpent said to the woman, for God knows that
when you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
So that was basically the new age for me.

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It was like going for the fruit and really not making the connection between
what I was doing because I wanted to know this hidden knowledge And it was just
fascinating to me that there was something,
you know, there was something left out.
And we just happened to be privileged enough to be the chosen ones to go and

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discover this hidden meanings.
And we met so many people, you know, that were also searching and we bonded.
And I don't know, Leo, if you can resonate with that, but that's how it was
for me. Yeah, I mean, I think that through this whole journey,
we've both been into different aspects.

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I've been into more of the governing bodies and the mechanistic policies and
procedures that have occurred over the generations within power structures and whatnot.
Not, you've been much more into the spiritual, if you will.

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But all the while, I think that because you're mixing,
and I think this is what's probably one of the hardest leaps for people,
is because when they think of the devil or they think of Satan,
they think of people wearing black robes and doing blood sacrifice and all this stuff.

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They don't think that, That, oh, okay, because I'm messing with crystals or
because I'm trying to tap into someone's energy in their chakras and all this.
They don't look at that as, oh, okay, it's tied to it.
It's like you're doing it to help others and help yourself because really the

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idea of energy medicine or anything, divination even, people get into that not
because they want to hurt people.
They get into that because they want to help people, you know,
and they want to learn it because they're curious, because they feel drawn to inspire.
Or I did. At least I did.
And to me, like, that was being Christ-like.

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You know, like ascending, basically, transcending what you could see,
like the visible, you know, the visible material world.
When you can tap into and feel, I'm going to have to put this in quotes,
energy, it's a very thrilling experience.
And you really feel like special.
You really feel like your mission, like you can use these gifts to help others

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and be more Christ-like.
And I believe that was what it was to be Christ-like. And to just continue my
point, I mean, we believe that all those people that are doing these modalities,
they're doing them with the best of intentions.
I certainly was. Yeah, the ones that we've established connections.

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Because we certainly met a few along the way that we didn't like working with.
We thought, okay, something was amiss.
We got out of their way and didn't seek them out again.
But, you know, the bulk, and when I say the bulk, I mean, in our path,
you know, maybe 90, 95% of the people that we came to, you know,
they were really doing these things with, you know, what appeared to be really good intentions.

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And so, you know, when we look at actual people who worship the devil and whatnot,
you know, they're actually going out and saying, you know, what it is,
right, and what they're doing.
I mean, I feel like even Satanists, you know, they, a lot of those churches,
from what my research too, is those people, like, they do charity work, believe it or not.

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I mean, they have the rituals. And I mean, of course, there are the hardcore,
you know, Hollywood or what is it, the Grove, the politicians go to?
Bohemian. Bohemian Grove, you know, those people are up to, you know,
good. But what I'm trying to say is that from what we found is that there is no...

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White magic in black magic.
Well, but here's what we didn't do when we got into this.
And I think that this is probably true for a lot of people.
But, you know, when we looked into a lot of, you know, like government conspiracies
and things like that, you know, we kept going back to the source,

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you know, kept coming back.
Where did this all stem from?
You know what i mean and and we didn't really do that
with energy medicine and and and whatever
you want to call it or tarot we we just
met with people look these are nice people who are teaching us these things
and so we're taking their word not not that they even had to say oh no this

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is good it's just the person seemed good so so we just said and also they seem
to have had you know know,
whatever modalities that they were practicing,
that they were seeing results as far as, you know, PTSD, healing, pain.
I mean, just so many signs that look like, hey, this has to be from God.

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And, you know, why has this been hidden from us?
Like who changed our DNA structure? sure that theory, right?
Our DNA was tempered with, we were not supposed to be in this fallen state.
When the whole time, I mean, the story was right there in the Bible.

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It just told you, this is what happened. Like the fall wasn't something random.
I mean, this event happened. And I believe that was all mythology.
But I would just go back to so many people in the new age, like quoting the Bible left him, right?
I mean, you even see in other religions, like the Quran has,

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you know, Bible passages, but you know, there's just some modifications in there.
Like Jesus wasn't who he said he was.
He was basically a prophet according to the Muslim religion.
And so according to New Age and according to even Hinduism, he was an ascended master.

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So, you know, it was like half truth, but they were all based on the Bible.
And so that was interesting to me. If the Bible is not true,
you were still using it as a basis to validate these beliefs,
you know, these religions.
And then other people say, well, you know, the Bible is, Christianity is newer

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than all these other, you know, religions like Buddhism and Hinduism.
Not the Islam religion, but, you know, they're older.
So, you know, the Bible came along later. And therefore, there's got to be,
I mean, there's some truth in there.

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But, you know, there's also a lot of lies in it.
And because, you know, it's not an easy read and it's not an appealing read,
like we just saw the pastor in the previous video talking about,
really talking about how we wronged.
Our creator, right? And we continue to do so by breaking his commandments.

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Choosing ourselves, right?
And the New Age is all about the self, right?
Yeah. And that is an interesting piece, right? Because there's all these dichotomies, right?
I mean, if we look in the world, there are people who are for the individual, right?
Like the entrepreneur, the express yourself in the way that you need to express

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yourself, Go out and make your money in creative ways and all that.
And then there's the people who are community driven, right?
It's all about, you know, your life should be of service, you know, to helping others.
And that's really what shows, you know, your, if you want to call it goodness
or whatever. And so the Bible was really interesting to me versus New Age.

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And again, we're calling New Age to make it easy, kind of like when we talk
about what we went through with autism.
You know, we don't really believe it was necessarily autism,
but it's easier for people to consume. So just don't take offense around that.
But when we talk about that, it was just so intriguing, those differences where,
okay, okay, look, if I'm living for the Creator and I'm living to, you know, help,

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I don't want to say help society, but I mean, I'm doing my best to emulate Jesus's work the best I can.
I fail in comparison, but compare that to the New Age, which seems it's all
about building the self. And, you know, I mean, I think that.
We really got wrapped up in that, you know, building up the self.

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And it was intoxicating, really.
And you were talking earlier about how we came to this, and you kind of had
started to have these uncoverings, and you were getting very much interested diving in more.
And I was kind of, you know... Well, I'm like, if this is the ticket to freedom,
like, understand how the systems put together, other

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and the answer is in the bible again i'm gonna
go in and see if it's there because if i need
to defend myself and the whole idea even like so in
the law of mankind natural law and all those things if you you don't even use
the the word human and you can probably go back to some of our episodes because
hue means you know stained and corrupted right it's the hue it's like hue you, manatee.

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And there is mankind, which we were when God said that he created us. He called us mankind.
And so they even avoid saying the word human.
And I was avoiding to say the word human because again, it's a half truth because
you're not taking into account what happened with the fall.
And what happened with the fall

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is really us choosing ourselves over the creator and the creator's like,
hey, like you can have anything in this garden, anything except don't go over there because you're.
You know, whatever reason, whatever reason the Creator had. I believe it's because
He was trying to protect us, but He also wanted us to have the free will for

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creation to be perfect, right? You needed to be able to choose.
He wanted us to choose. So choose Him or choosing ourselves.
And when the serpent comes along and keeps repeating this lie over and over
and over, you know, you see it everywhere. Like, what is the truth?
I mean, take the psychedelic, You're going to see some things when you take that.

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But again, the question is, what will we open ourselves to?
So Leo, can you read Ephesians 2, 3?
And what we're saying might make more sense.
Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the
desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath like the rest of mankind.

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So I think that was the biggest shocker I think I got out of starting my research on the Bible.
When all my life I heard we're all children of God, then getting to popular
spirituality, new age, and all these spiritual experiences, all pass.

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I mean, the idea is that hell doesn't exist.
All paths lead to God. We're all doing the best that we can.
And when I read that we were children of wrath, I was like, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we doing here?
And I have some really deep friendships that I'm still trying to cultivate that

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I knew the Bible more than I did, that had read the Bible, that were,
you know, believers at one point.
And I asked them, I'm like, have you ever heard of this? that it says in that
book that we are children of wrath and.
And basically, I got crickets, you know, first people like, okay,

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let me ask some other friend and then the other friend wouldn't really follow through.
I mean, I didn't know any pastor or anybody I could ask.
And I even thought, well, if I'm going to go ask a pastor, he's probably going
to have a bias, you know, he's not going to tell me.
I wanted to hear from someone that was in my community that came believing that we were good.

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We were not children of wrath. And I wanted them to explain to me, what does this mean?
And so, and that was, it didn't stop there. That was also another passage,
and that's Deuteronomy 18, 9 through 13.
And that one was a hard one to swallow as well.

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Occult practices, when you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you,
do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire,
who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells,

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or who is a medium or spiritist, or who consults the dead.
Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. Because of these same
detestable practices, the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.
You must be blameless before the Lord your God.
Yeah, so when I read that one, I mean, obviously I'm not sacrificing my children

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or anything like that, but I was doing all the other things.
I mean, I wouldn't say I was doing sorcery. I mean, I didn't think I was doing
sorcery as it said there, but I was, you know, doing some practices thinking
I was helping people, specifically my children, to be honest,
with alternative medicine and things like that.

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So my most logical conclusion when I ran across those passages was that the Bible had to be wrong.
You know, everyone that had been telling me, you know, there's some good stuff
in there, but there's also a lot of it is just not true. It's just mythology.
But then at the same time, I'm going back to, well, but natural law,

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law of mankind says that the answer is there.
I mean, the whole system is there. And the system seems to respect that book.
I mean, you go to a courtroom and don't they have you swear on the Bible?
So you're like, well, if they're having you swear on the Bible,
there's something to that book.
If we have several other books that are based on that book, there is something to that book.

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So what happened really with me was that I went through a very deep,
and I don't know why I even called it that, but a spiritual crisis where I just had extreme anxiety,
and I basically lost track of what,
of who I was and what was right and wrong, according to, you know, to me.

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I mean, how do I even navigate the world?
And I know that sounds dramatic, but honestly, this is like,
I felt like my whole identity was kind of dying because my emotions were always
what guided me to know if I was on the right path or not on the right path.
And all I had to do is basically work on my emotions and work on my beliefs.

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But everything was about me, like me, me, me, how I feel, you know,
poor me, who can help me, what can I do to help myself?
But for some reason, that book or I just didn't know the creator.
I just didn't know. I mean, I thought I knew. I thought I had read and I heard all those verses.

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It's not the one about us being children of wrath, not about the one about occult
practices being forbidden.
But, you know, we were good people here.
We were trying to, like, save the world, make a better world for our children.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think the good people moniker is a challenging one,

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because there is what is good to the world, and then there is what is good to God.
Yeah. You know, and— And because God created the world, I mean,
he probably wouldn't know better.
Right. Right. But I, but I'm saying, I'm saying, you know, we're,
we're, we're trapped in this world of appearances,
you know, and, and if we can look the part, then we feel, you know,

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I, I liken it to, you know, working in a corporation.
Right. I mean, you know, you're, you're, you do it seriously.
I mean, it's like, you know, I, I could, you know, I've worked jobs in the past
where, you know, I could put in, you know, honestly, probably put in, you know,
10 to 20 hours a week of real work. And then, you know, I could create some.

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Documentation, right, that makes it look like I worked 60 hours, you know.
And so the reality is that the company wants me to do my job 40 hours a week,
you know, but I was able to make it kind of look like, okay,
I'm a good employee, you know, but, you know, if my employer was God,
and they could see what I was doing, they wouldn't be happy, right?

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And they probably wouldn't let me live there. So I mean, I realize that's not
maybe the perfect metaphor,
but I think when we really looked at the Ten Commandments, which we've always known about, but...
Actually, I, to be honest, I knew that there were Ten Commandments,

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but I didn't know where they I mean, I figured they were in the Bible,
but at some point I wasn't even sure if it was there.
Maybe some emerald tablets or some other place.
And I knew there were 10, but I didn't really know what they were.
I mean, I knew the do not murder and do not steal.

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Yeah, I mean, I knew all of them. But I mean, I think it was the lack of focus
around, and again, this is my memory.
It's not necessarily what happened, but it's my memory of growing up.
I mean, I know they talked about the commandments here and there,

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but to me, the commandments are really the focal point.
I mean, that's at least where my head comes to now that, you know,
we've gotten more into to this.
And so I'm looking back on, you know, what I experienced in the Catholic religion,
and I'm like, man, they really didn't seem like they spent all that much time

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talking about the Ten Commandments, you know?
Or maybe we were just sleeping. Or maybe we were just sleeping.
But I mean, I attended a lot of Masses, you know? Yes, you were an altar boy.
And I was an altar boy, you know? So you couldn't almost help but pay attention,
60% of the time, because, you know, you had to... You had to know your keys.
Because you had all of that.

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So I just don't really remember.
It was more like Mass was talking about current events and how we can think
about being Catholics and being good Catholics in relation to these current
events that are happening in the world. It really wasn't about...
How can we take God's Word? And yes, I know there's a sermon,

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but it seemed very disconnected to me.
You know, like there would be a reading, and then the priest would say whatever
they wanted to say, and it was somehow supposed to be tied,
and sometimes you could feel it, but most of the time I could not really gather the similarity.
And reconcile. Yeah, I couldn't reconcile. So, you know, with us kind of reconnecting

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here with the faith, you know, and focusing the effort around the Ten Commandments,
I think my initial discomfort was,
okay, I wasn't living to the Ten Commandments. And so— Neither was I.
Neither I am not still. And so, well, and so my initial reaction is I want to
push it away, because I don't want to be faced with something I'm not living up to.

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But I think as we kept engaging, you know, I looked at these things and I'm
like, okay, well, How are these things bad for me?
Do you know what I mean? I mean, really, the fact that I— I'm not hurting.
Like, to me, it was like, well, yeah, I said a white lie.
Like, I didn't really want to go to this thing that somebody invited me to.

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And I was just like, well, you know, the kids are not feeling too well.
And I mean, I'm not hurting anybody, you know.
But I mean, lying, yeah, that can be very bad.
On my own moral standards. But, you know, there's the adultery,
there's the saying God's name
in vain, you know, there are all these commandments, and there's only 10.

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Yeah, yeah. But I mean, when you look at... They're very, though,
broad. Well, and when you look at...
Whether you've lived up to them and you start, you know, counting on your fingers,
you know, holy shit, I'm not.
If it is a heaven or hell situation, you know, like.
If these are the. We're going the right direction. Well, but I was kind of like,

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if these are the grounds that I might get judged on and I'm not hitting the
mark anywhere close to, you know, getting there,
then I'm like, and I can see that these things are not bad for me.
Do you know what I mean? mean, lusting for other women is not a good thing.

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Saying God's name in vain, not a good thing. You wouldn't say your mother's
name in vain as a cuss word.
And so you just get noodling with it. It's a slow noodle, but you get noodling
with it. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Why would I do that?
And murder, obviously I could always say I haven't murdered and all of that,

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but there was so much that that
you know i've stolen i've done these things and i'm like
man you know if if this is the the the litmus test
to say hey you're really going all out there you know
confession time well i'm just saying i'm just saying you know that that it's
intrigued because i still do classify myself as a as a good person you know

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what i mean i'm i'm i i don't go out of my way to hurt anyone you know i i take
care of my family you know i'm i'm a hard worker you know all these And then I'm like, well,
is there anything I've ever latched onto that says that, you know,
there's these riches of afterlife waiting for you if you are a good worker and

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you take care of your family?
And again, with that idea that all paths lead to God, which that's very New
Age and, you know, Eastern religion, you do you.
Yeah. No, as long as you're not hurting anybody.
You're cool. You're cool. But, you know, just circling back to what we're saying,

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like, really looking at the Ten Commandments and looking at the passages that
we share, Deuteronomy, and the passage about being a child of wrath,
you know, like, knowing that we're missing the mark there.
So sin means missing the mark.
I just thought, you know, the Bible has got to be wrong.

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Wrong it's gotta there's gotta be something i mean
we heard about the gnostics and i think there's a
lot of gnosticism in new age and
we'll talk about the gnostics here in just a moment
but you know what did they know and then what about the other books the hidden
books like who wrote them when did they write them why did they write them so

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the other gospels i don't know if you guys have heard of the nag Hammadi library
you know the other books that were found and that There were even other,
I mean, there's a plethora of other books that were found.
So we're like, is the Bible really the word of God?
And who is this God? Because according to the Gnostics, the God of the Bible is an evil God.

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He's not the real creator. So I just wanted to play a video real quick with
Wesley Huff, which he's a Canadian apologist and a theologian.
He's a historian, and he has gone all the way to Egypt to do his research.
It's pretty fantastic, but it's about a two-minute clip. That was the third video, right?

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Second, maybe? No, because I thought we played the second. Okay,
let's just see here. I want to make sure.
Yeah, that's it. A quote from St. Augustine. Now, treat the Scripture of God
as the face of God melts in its presence.
Friends, it matters who Jesus is. It matters that the resurrection happened.

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These are important topics because they mean drastically important things for your life.
Jesus wasn't just a good guy who said good things.
Jesus made audacious claims about himself, claims to be God himself.
Self, and then he did things and said things and predicted his own death and

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resurrection and did it people who rise from the dead have more credibility
and authority than people who don't rise from the dead.
And so we need to take this question seriously.
We can have confidence, not only that what we have now is what the original
authors wrote in your new Testament documents, but that they are the right books,
they are the books that get you to Jesus.

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And we can know that, verifiably, because of the evidence.
Because when we look at the Gospels and we look at these other lost Gospels,
we see something drastically different.
And so if we circle right around to that BBC documentary, he's asking the wrong question.
Were there other books that talk about Jesus?

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If he was reading the Gospel of Peter, if he was reading the Gospel of Philip,
if he was reading the infancy narrative of James, would he have a Jesus that
looked very, very different? Yes.
Wrong question. What are the books that get us to Jesus? Because they aren't those.
The only books that get you to Jesus are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Full stop.

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Was the bible right was it
the word of god that's where i was stuck and
i found some great material in wesley's huff
channel we're going to share that in the show notes but just
to to say a little bit
of a history about the bible
so i learned this all from wes so the

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bible is a library is about 1600 documents with
over 40 authors written in three languages
hebrew greek and aramaic across three different continents so as humans we can
even get a simple game of telephone going without distorting the original message

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okay we've tried several times but yet they uh,
At this library, the stories told in this library, in the Bible,
are told with incredible consistency through the ages.
So you have all these authors basically saying the same story.

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Okay, same story, no game on telephone.
It's not a book that has a translation of a translation. Translation is basically
the same books, you know, the same story copied over and over and over again.
So the books between the Old and the New Testaments, they reference each other.
So it's like the whole Bible fits like this giant puzzle.

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Like it's really not a translation of a translation. translation
what we have are actually several copies
of the original message transcribed with care
with precision you know back then we didn't have a whole lot of people that
knew how to read and write we have scribes you know they went to school to learn
this art and it was regarded very highly back in those days so with that said

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not all bibles of course not all translations of the Bible are made equal.
As a rule that I learned through this research, we could trust translations
of the Bible that are made by scholars.
You know, there are scholars really
working hard that know the original languages to put books together.

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So there are translations out there, though, that are not trustworthy because
they were translated by one person.
And one example of this is the Passion Translation.
It was basically someone, a man that said that he channeled Jesus.
Jesus came to him and told him, oh, there's all these things in there that are

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not right. So let's just like.
Makes some changes and differences here and there.
So it's calling the Christian circles as the Bible plus, okay?
And there are other books and even religions that kind of mimic that theme.

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Again, goes back to the story in the garden, the serpent told Eve that God really
say that is the Bible really the word of God.
And we have accurate and robust accounts for the life, death,
and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, like Wes was saying.
So the same story is told with consistency by four witnesses in the Gospels,

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a math, Mark, Luke, and John.
The Gospels accounts are further corroborated by another 500 witnesses.
So those are the early Christians who saw Jesus after he rose from the dead.
And all witnesses were persecuted for repeating what they saw.
Like they had nothing to gain by spreading the story around but death,

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you know, by abuse, torture, and death.
They lost everything, including, you know, their lives for sharing Jesus' messages
of salvation and internal life.
For historical context, where I know we're geeking out a little bit on this,
but there's 24,000 original copies of the Gospels that were found.

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With writings dating between 40 and 70 AD, so after Christ.
In other words, incredibly close to when Jesus lived. So historically, that's really close.
And to put in perspective, like, for example, me, I knew about Plato and Aristotle,
and I never doubted that they existed.

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But when you look at the historical evidence for existence, like so you have
24,000 original copies of the Gospels, you only, and that were written between
40 and 70 years after Christ was born.
For Aristotle, the first writings didn't really show up until 1200 years later.

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And only seven copies were found. And for Aristotle, same story,
early writings were found 1200 years later, were written like the accounts were
written 1200 years later.
So really far from when they actually existed and only 10 copies are found.
So historically speaking to me, it made sense that this book is actually legit.

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Okay. There are other reasons that I have come to trust the Bible as the word of God.
The truth found in the Bible, when we apply it, He always makes life better.
You know, like the rules, like the Ten Commandments, you know, being one.
The words of Jesus, what He says, what He teaches, they make life better.
They have made my life better just in this few months that we have come to know Christ.

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There have been many books written over the ages that claim to be based on the
Bible, as I said earlier.
But they're always, I mean, the theme is always there. There is this one caveat.
They claim to contain these messages saying that the messages that were in the
Bible or the Word of God was misunderstood or there are things left out.
You know, some examples of these texts are, as Wesley was saying,

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you know, the other Gospels.
The Book of Spirits in Brazil is huge. You know, the religion of spiritism is
the same thing one man said.
He talked with a group of spirits and the spirits told him, oh,
this is what really happened. This is what Jesus said. that it's nothing that
the Bible is saying, just forget about it.
Another one is the Book of Mormon, you know, another book. Joseph Smith came

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up with the stories that you can't, you know, the Bible has archaeological evidence.
Like, there's archaeological evidence that Jesus existed. There's all these
thousands of copies of these documents there in the Bible.
And with the Book of Mormon, I mean, nobody has been really able to verify that
what Joseph Smith was saying was true.

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Well, I was just going to add on. I mean, I think that when we were talking about that,
that was something that was probably the most interesting to me that you had
brought up, you know, was when looking at that historical proof and then comparing
it, you know, to all these other—because,
you know, I mean, I always knew there were these people that called themselves Mormons, you know,

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and, you know, these people that called— And no disrespect.
No, no, no disrespect. But you were right. When you dig in, you find that it
comes down to this one person.
Yeah. Like the Muslim religion, the Quran, it was Muhammad.
Yeah. 600 years after...
Christ's life, death, and resurrection, for example. And again,

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it was one person. It was Muhammad.
How do you talk to God? So I think that, which I didn't know that about,
you know, like the Mormon religion.
And again, I'm just using that as an example. You know, there are others.
But, you know, when I pair that with what we looked at earlier,
you know, in Deuteronomy or whatever, that said, you know, you won't,

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you know, like commune with spirits and all of this.
And you're like, well, so here are these individuals that are supposedly channeling.
By themselves. And there are
no witnesses. And God is saying in the actual Bible, you will not do this.
Yes. So then the question pops, immediately just popped in my head.

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I didn't say it at the time when she brought it up, but I'm like,
okay, so how does that dude know that that's Jesus?
And it's not just some ghost in a sheet. Yeah.
You know what I mean? It's like what the Spirit told me. And I'm just thinking about this.
He told me it's God. If we believe that evil will disguise and obscure themselves

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and their purposes, then— Like, you know, that Satan disguises himself as the angel of light.
Yeah, then what— It looks beautiful and very appealing.
I mean, look at, you know, New Age, for example. I mean, how much more appealing
can that message be? Yeah, so I don't— Love and peace and ascendance and transcendence and love.
So I couldn't kind of get past that. And so I kept, as we looked at more religions,

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I can't remember now off the top of my head, but I think we were looking at
what, like Hinduism or whatever. We looked at Buddhism. Buddhism.
We looked at Mormonism. We looked at Spiritism. And we looked at the Islamic religion.
But, I mean, you kept going. Because I wanted to know. I mean,
like there's all these people that believe in love and kindness and service.

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How can they be wrong? Yes, yes, yes.
How can this be? I mean, Hinduism is a big hodgepodge of, I mean,
there's like 300 million deities, you know, and you can worship whichever one you want.
And there's even some controversy there where each deity is an aspect of God,

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so it's really not a polytheistic religion.
But then these entities look very scary.
And they're always chopping someone's head off and killing someone and talking about war.
And you go like...
Okay, and then all paths lead to God, but then everybody's just following a

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different characteristic.
It's just like... Yeah, because when you've got 300 million things to possibly
pay attention to, how can you... Or you can choose your own.
So that's really where subjective morality comes from.
It's from Hinduism because it's whatever you think or whatever you believe,
there's like no accountability. Yeah, there's a God for that.

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And it's like a sports team. whatever you want
to you you want a red jersey with a with a whatever
on it there's there's a god for that you know you can
you can you can so that i was just trying
to say how does that work i i that's the other thing too i mean there there's
it's like word of mouth i mean how did it even come together i mean of course

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we're going to explore hinduism you know quite deeply in other episodes.
But I mean, and again, it goes back to like everything goes as long as you are
serving, you're good, you're not hurting anybody. It's all good.
But again, like Hitler, you know, he thought he was doing pretty good.

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You know, whatever he was doing was cool with God.
I mean, he professed himself to be a Christian too, and he thought he was doing God's work.
And I don't know about you, but I mean, he did kill quite a bit of people.
Seemed a bit misguided. He wanted the evolution of the species,
you know, he thought society really needed the cleansing.

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And so, yeah, so that's what happened there. But going back to what Leah was
saying about how do we know, how do we discern,
you know, from all these religions and the deception of the enemy,
the adversary, Satan, how do we know?
If these entities that are coming to us are actually, or these messages even,

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they're coming through other people, right?
Through Joseph Smith, through Muhammad. How do we know if they are from God?
So, in the Bible, there's a passage, which is 1 John chapter 4,
verses 1 through 6. Leo's going to read that.
It's called Test the Spirit. Let's share the screen here. Hmm.

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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they
are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God, every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ
has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

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Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you
is greater than he who is in the world.
They are from the world, therefore they speak from the world,
and the world listens to them. We are from God.
Whoever knows God listens to us. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.

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By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Yeah, so, you know, going back to those beliefs and religions, they...
I now always go to the source of, okay, what did they believe?
Who do they believe Jesus was?
In the Islamic religion, they believe Jesus was a prophet. He wasn't the son of God.

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And I guess in Hinduism, Jesus, a lot of yogis and gurus say that he was an ascended master.
That's who Jesus was. And a lot of books written, which I'm going to give some
examples there, say that, you know, he came to some of these gurus and told the true story.
So back to the same theme, you know, it's like the adversary just recycles the

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same story over and over, you know, did God really say that?
You know, did Jesus really say that?
So, and also if you're asking yourself back to what I said about the Gnostics
and the the other gospels at the Nakamari library.
I mean, I had to look, that was one of my first questions when I was reading the Bible.

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What about, why are these books not part of the mix?
You know, it seemed like there is some very important information in these books.
And so I learned that all the apocryphal gospels, example, like Wes in his video
was talking about the gospel of Thomas.
There's a gospel of Mary. There's a gospel of John. There's a gospel of Peter.

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I mean, there's lots of them.
And the issue with them and the reason they're not in the Bible is number one,
because they're written too late to be count as a reliable source. That's number one.
And also they have a theme that is very different from the books that are in
the canon, the books that are in the Bible.
So the books in the Bible are basically about rules and lists.

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And the apocryphal text jives more with what the serpent said.
You know, did God really say that? They address like secrets, doubts, and obscurity.
And as for the Gnostics, you know, as I briefly mentioned earlier,
they were a group that believed that God, the God of the Bible was evil.

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This God created a chaotic universe to trap men in it because he was jealous of our divinity.
So not only they claim that God in the Bible was evil, but they also claim that
we're divine, which according to the Bible is just not the case.
I mean, if we were divine, we wouldn't live in the fallen world that we live

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in, okay? It's pretty obvious.
And the Apostle Paul wanted to warn us about the Gnostics in his letter to the
Colossians, in the book of Colossians, if you read the New Testament ever.
He called them false teachers. They thought Jesus was not human.
So again, you know, it was not.

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God came in the flesh, okay? Jesus was God.
Okay, that's what the Bible teaches. That's what Jesus says in the Gospels,
where we have lots of witnesses and we have lots of copies of the same message.
So they thought Jesus was not human, but a spirit being that came from God.
And this knowledge or gnosis, thus the term Gnostics, just fails,

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as I said, the test of spirits in 1 John. With flying colors, by the way.
And there's one more point I wanted to make about the Bible and its books.
Many people believe the Bible was compiled at the Council of Nicaea.
Leo, have you heard of that?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's come up a lot. It's like, you know,
you just imagine a bunch of dudes in robes sitting around going, okay.

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Constantine, you know. Yeah. It's not...
Greatest guy according to history but this this this this was a council for
people that don't know what the council nicaea is just a very brief intro i
was a council of christian bishops,
how do you say the word convene convene in the city of nicaea by the roman emperor

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constantine in reality the council was meant to address the trinity and the
date of easter it had absolutely
nothing to do with the canon, okay, with the Bible, with the books that are in it.
And I'm going to leave you with this quote just about this. The quote says,
the canon is not an authoritative list of books.

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It's a list of authoritative books. And this quote came from Bruce Messger,
and he's from Princeton University, basically.
So with all these news about the Bible, we really want to dig in into the good
news, because so far we're talking about, you know, the fallen worlds and how

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we're not that good as we thought that we were and all those things.
So we talk a little bit about other religions. We even talk a little bit about Hitler.
So when we talk about the state of affairs in the world, and when we talk even
about New Age and Hinduism,

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it is pretty clear that most people we talk to, and that's true for us also,
or what's true for us, we have this compass,
which is our own moral standards.
So what is good and what is bad, right? And it's usually not based on the 10
commandments that God put in Exodus 20, basically.

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And those commandments, I mean, when you read them, I mean, they seem pretty
hard to follow and adhere to.
And in Christianity, that's called the works, right? So this is,
God asked us to do these, to keep these commandments.
And we really have a hard time with it.
So we go back to Hitler, you know, what he did and how he felt he was really

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helping the earth, by moving society forward.
Me as a Latina woman.
I would probably not make the cut in Hitler's list.
He probably would have asked me because of my skin tone and my eye color.
And he would have thought, you know, I was very good for society.

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And I mean, in his equations, I mean, wars and suffering is a lot of the time
justified by that, you know.
But like, these people are bad, so we need to get rid of them.
Like, you know, any war we can think of that, you know, the Taliban is bad.
So we got to just, you know, and if there's other people that follow them, we got to kill them too.

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You know, be men, be women, be children.
This keeps going perpetuity, even
though not to maybe to the level that we believe the Holocaust was. us.
But this was one of the first things I learned about the Bible is,
you know, based on the Ten Commandments is God moral standards,

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which we talked about earlier, are pretty, pretty high because he's perfect
and his standards are perfect.
And the wage for not following these commandments is death, basically.
And that's why we're talking about the good news, because Because I thought,
again, God's standards and my standards were the same because I didn't know the Ten Commandments.

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So I thought as long as I don't kill and as long as I don't steal,
which I think those are the only ones really that I knew about, I'm good.
Like, I'm going to heaven.
And the New Age movement and many religions say the same thing.
I mean, just do your best. Love yourself. Love others. And you're good.

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And do the best that you can.
But because, you know, God understands that we're in a falling state.
I mean, he created us. He knows our heart.
He had to send a savior. So that is the message of the gospel,
right? The savior came. Jesus came.
He was born from a virgin. He was persecuted for his miracles, for what he said.

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He did say he was God, and that was blasphemy at the time.
Time and his own people you know
the jews didn't receive him and they they found
a way to get him in the cross which was all
in the old testament the story this prediction is also in the old testament
so it happened just as it was written so i feel like that's even more evidence

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that what is in the bible is actually true even the crazy stories about the
flood and all that i mean I mean, I'm really, like,
I'm really, I believe that all of it. You're vibing, okay.
Yes, I'm really vibing.
Because it just makes sense to me. So Jesus not only came to show us the way,

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I mean, he said he was the way, but he also paid the enormous debt that we can
never pay due to our sinful nature.
Well, we were talking about this last night, And I think that this is one of those –.
Those subjects in the subject that is probably the most controversial.

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Because, you know, you're talking to people, you know, who believe they're good people.
And I think by my definition, I'd probably say they're good people.
You know what I mean? Just because my bar's pretty low.
But no, but I mean, even people that, you know, really strive to do good work and whatnot.

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But confine the drama. But we were talking about this last night,
and I said, you know, because we were talking about, well, you know,
what about these people who, you know, grow up in one religion,
you know, and they're not going to take Christ as their Savior?
I said, well, look, look. Or even like, I think to me, being in a new age,
I mean, just the idea that I needed a Savior was pretty offensive.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, I can't do this. Why? Yeah, yeah,
I'm a powerful person. I can do this all on my own. Yeah, yeah.
But what I'm saying is, you know, we were talking last night and,
and, you know, we know what the, we know what the policy is.
Okay. The policy is you don't live up to these things, you know,

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and you're not, you know, accepting Christ as your, as your savior,
then you're going to go to hell.
You're not accepting the gift. Yeah. You're not accepting the gift.
I mean, you were choosing yourself. But, but, but here's the thing.
It's not for me to tell anybody that they're going to hell. Well,
because we're not the judge, you know, that's between you and God.

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But what I will say is, if you know in your heart, you know,
and I think that was probably my conflict, is that this felt logical.
This felt like it made sense. And for me to ignore it.
Was like, okay, you know, it's like understanding the construct of two plus

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two equals four, and then going
out in the world and trying to tell people that three plus two is four.
You know? Like we see now men and women are confused, you know,
the growing generation, like, Yeah.
Like he looks like a lady, and all of a sudden they say, no, I'm not a lady.

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Yeah so so when i so when i tell i'm a man or
i'm but so when people tell me like what about these tribes you
know in south america that have never been touched by you know
modern society and all that i'm like look i don't
know that that's for god and them to figure out okay like he created everything
yeah yeah yeah that was his plan yeah and and and i think he's probably got

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some leeway right but but i don't think he's probably going to have leeway if
you if if you've heard it yes Yes, you're not off the hook.
And you deep down feel it, but then you still don't come through, right?
Because the message is not appealing again. Yeah.

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It's not like you are not divine, unfortunately. You don't have all this power
that you think that you do.
We're going to talk about that in other episodes too in more depth and detail.
But again, the good news.
Yeah. Jesus of Nazareth. Yeah. So I think that's what it was.
It was like, okay, well, I could just keep faking it, you know,

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and telling people, okay, divinity everywhere.
Everybody's perfect. Love, love, love, you know. God is love.
And I agree. God is love. But God also has many other attributes.
Yeah. One of them being wrath.
Another one of mercy. I mean, think about the mercy, okay? Okay,

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like here you have a child that you keep telling them over and over and over again.
Don't do that. It's not good for you. Don't do that. It's not good for you.
If you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about.
Don't do that. It's not good for you. I know. Okay, I know because you came for me. So I know.
So listen to me and listen.

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Look at the mercy, like we keep missing the mark and here he comes.
Since he's the only son to die for, to pay the enormous debt that we can never
pay because God is perfect, right?
So we can repent for missing the mark, and we can accept the free gift that

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is Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us.
So, Leo, can you read this lovely passage?
One of my favorites in the Bible.
This one here? Yes, Matthew 11, chapter 11, verses 25 through 30.
Come to me and I will give you rest. At that time, Jesus said,

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I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these
things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.
Yes, Father, for that is what you were pleased to do.
All things have been committed to me by my Father.
No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father.
Except the Son, and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

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Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Yeah, so like coming from new age, you know, the burden in new age for you to

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keep up with your positive thinking,
keep up with, you know, raising your frequency, keep up with,
you know, manifesting your good reality and what you want.
I mean, it sounds like a lot, you know, a lot.
I mean, just so self-centered, you know, like I got to get myself straight so

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I can get anybody else straight.
Got to get myself straight first. But when you're in this fallen state,
it's like, you know, you might be happy for five minutes and then all of a sudden
you are not happy. You know, you are needing more.
Like, I need more meditation. I need more yoga.
I need more. I mean, it's this constant hamster wheel.

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And here is Jesus in his own words saying, you know, come to me and you'll find rest for your souls.
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. You know, so God's law is written in our hearts.
I mean, we know when we're missing the mark, right?
Even if it's a small lie, even if we stole candy from the store when we were little.

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I mean, we knew, you know, since the fall.
And this is another thing about New Age. It's all about trusting your heart,
right? I mean, how many songs have been written about you trusting your heart? But unfortunately...
Our works, you know, are not enough. Doing all this new age works and even trying
to do our best to follow all the commandments.

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We're still going to fall short to God's standards.
But Jesus is enough. You know, we can trust him. His word is golden.
His love has no end. No wonder, you know, he died a horrible,
brutal death to pay this enormous debt we have with our creator.
So the Apostle John says this in John 3, 16 through 18. Leo's going to read it for you.

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Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only son so that everyone
who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
God sent his son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty,
but to save the world through him.
People who believe in God's Son are not judged guilty, but people who do not

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believe are already judged because they have not believed in God's only Son.
So I wanted to just play a very short video. It's only 50 seconds.
This is passed from Mike Winger. He's got a huge following on YouTube.
And he's talking about why does God, because this was a big question for me, you know.

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If God is good and he's the creator and he created everything perfectly,
why does God let Satan cause so much harm?
So that was one of the questions he got on his Q&A and we'll share the entire video on the show notes.
Why does God allow rebellion against him though? And it seems to me that this
is all part of a larger plan from my personal opinion here. This is my personal opinion.

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You do not need to agree with me to be a Christian or to be a Bible-believing Christian.
Is that it's all part of a larger story that God is telling that involves giving
humankind free will and even angelic beings free will in choosing to follow
him so that when we're in eternity,
all those who follow God were not only made by him, but have also chosen him

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so they follow him in love.
And by allowing people to choose love and to let love be the unity of heaven
and the unity of eternity is love.
For that to be the case, choice had to be involved. And so allowing a rebellion
at all is allowing love at all.
Yeah. So basically, you know, to have the perfect creation.

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You have to be free will. And, you know, a lot of the times I thought about
this, I thought, well, it sounds like a cop out a little bit,
you know, we talk about, you know, in the freedom movement about the spiritual
battle all the time with this new understanding that Leo and I have,
you know, coming to Christ.
We have been contemplating about what did this really mean, the spiritual battle?

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I mean, at one point I thought, you know, it was just this reptilian aliens.
Repetilians, they were jealous of us because we got to live in this reality,
you know, and they don't get to live in this reality.
So they want to like encroach into us, take us over, you know,
so they can live like we do.

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But it's not the reptilians, okay?
It's the adversary that we're talking about, Satan, which he was created as
a divine being by God, one of the most beautiful angels, and he decided to choose himself.
He didn't want to choose God. He wanted to be like God. And he told the lie to Adam and Eve.

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You can be God too. You just have to eat from this fruit.
And so to me, the spiritual battle, it paints a very different picture for me now.
So with my research with the Bible, which I now believe to be the word of God, this is my conclusion.
Like we've been in this spiritual battle for like, since the beginning of times,

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you know, since the garden.
So the battle started when Satan went to, to, to even put, put doubts in our
hearts, you know, and Satan continues this story, distorting God's word, inverting things,
Jesus teachings through beautiful spiritual experiences like I've had and like

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many of my friends have had and many gurus have had, Buddha has had, and the.
You know, it keeps distorting the meaning of Jesus's ultimate sacrifice to redeem us, right?
Saying, oh, Jesus, that's not what really Jesus meant.
Like, for example, in natural law, what Jesus meant was that he wanted us to

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be free from debt, free from the slave matrix.
I mean, but that's not what the Bible says. I found out that's not what the Bible says.
So the spiritual battle is Satan knows if you read the Bible,
if you read Revelation, you know. know, that his time is ticking.
Like he has been giving this time to basically give us our chance to exercise our free will.

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What side are we going to be on? Are we going to hang out with Satan for eternity
or are we going to go hang out with God?
So Satan knows he already lost the game, basically, as we believe that the elites
had lost the game in the freedom movement already. ready. Like the story is written.
It is true. It's just different characters. The characters are different in the story.

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So Satan in this time that he has, he hates humanity so much.
I mean, I don't think anybody can deny that. I mean, I know a lot of people don't believe in Satan,
but we do because the Bible says that Satan is real and it tells the story and
it tells our story, Satan wants to collect as many souls as possible.

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And he doesn't discriminate, okay?
He wants the good, the bad, the good in quotes, right? You know,
the good people, the bad people, the people that are saving the earth and the bad people.
He wants them too. And the ugly, he wants everybody, you know.
You don't have to be like Hitler or act like the Antichrist to make the cut, basically.

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And if you read the Ten Commandments, you see right there.
So you can be kind. You can be good.
You can be generous, a generous person with great morals according to yourself,
even according to other humans, as long as you choose yourself over God and
his promise of salvation.

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And I think this quote summarizes it all for me. God is responsible for the
fact of freedom in his creation.
Okay, but now humans are responsible for their acts of freedom.
So we have the choice. And two questions I asked myself a lot during the spiritual
crisis I had were, why God created Satan in hell? Why did he do that?

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You know, why there was so much suffering in the world?
Why would he allow men to be so cunning and cruel to one another?
And he did this because for his creation to be perfect, it needed freedom.
And with freedom comes free will.
So that is the one power that we do have is choice to follow God or to not follow him.

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So, and as I said, this didn't used to be my view.
And even a year ago, if you had told me any of the stuff I just told you here
in this episode, I would be like, you're nuts.
You know, like you can't be that exclusive.
It just can't be. But by reading the word of God, I found that it is exclusive.
I mean, me believing it or not believing it doesn't change the fact that,

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you know, I'm either choosing myself or I'm choosing my creator.
So I was a truth seeker. I wanted to figure out my purpose.
Why we were here. This podcast is a testament of us trying to figure things out.
And we talked a lot about darkness and evil in the world in that podcast,

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even though at the same time, we're trying to deny it by raising our frequency
and saying, okay, it's happened to other people.
It's not really happening to us, even though with the pandemic,
it was kind of happening to us too.
So I truly believe I created my own reality and my fortune or misfortune was all up to me.
And to top it off, I believe Jesus taught us that in scripture,

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you know, and I thought I knew who God was,
you know, I had my own idea of God and a lot of us have our own ideas of who
God is and we feel like we don't need to read his word and we don't need to
get to know him because he's just love and he's going to accept everybody.
I used to view my mystical practices and beliefs as benign, because I just wanted

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to help my family. I wanted to help myself.
I wanted to help my friends, help my community.
I consider myself a good person. I wasn't physically or mentally trying to hurt
anybody and neither was Leo, right?
As far as I know. I was doing what I thought and I felt was best for me.
I was making basically my three pound brain, the point of reference for truth

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and for living my life, you know, following my heart, my emotions, my desires.
But God gave us the free will to choose that, to choose Him,
to choose Him for eternity, or free will to choose ourselves and our moral standards. So.
So then we come to the notion of hell. You know, what is hell?

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And I was like, why would benevolent God create a place of torture and just horror for eternity?
And I came to understand that the hell is just, it's basically a place where God is not.
You know, the absence of light is darkness. Like you can prove my point by just
turning off your lights when, you know, during the night and you can't see anything. thing.

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So that is just the absence of light.
But the proof for God is his creation.
The first miracle in Genesis 1.1. The proof for God's love is Jesus.
I mean, the second miracle was his resurrection.
So if we can trust these two miracles, we can trust his word in everything The

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question for us really became simple.
Did I want to put my trust in my brain, my three-pound brain, in my point reference,
in this very fragile being, a mortal being, or in God that created everything, including myself?

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So who knows best than the most holy, right?
The one that created everything, the designer. finer, why would we choose him over ourselves?
And that is because we are a fallen state and choosing ourself and following
our hearts is really not what is best for us.

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And so there are a few more, this last three verses in the Bible that kind of
explain why Why following our hearts and our three-pound brain and our understanding
is really not the best for us.
Well, Jeremiah 17, 9, the heart
is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

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And then the heart, I'm sorry, oh, I had two slides in there.
Yeah. And then in Proverbs, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not
on your own understanding.
In all your ways, submit to him and he will make your path straight.
And in 1 Corinthians, we will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing

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the understanding of the prudent.
Yeah. So these days I have this, this feeling, and I know, again,
this is an exclusive path is offensive to a lot of people.
It was offensive to me too, you know, to even like label myself as a new ager.

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I mean, what is new age, you know, because it is just so fluid.
I mean, there's no, you can't put a label on it, but now just seeing like,
I knew about Jesus and And I knew
that he had died on the cross and I knew that he had died for our sins,
but I just didn't really believe that I was a sinner.

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You know, I didn't think, I mean, just white lies or, you know,
hatred towards others, even though like I was trying to work that through within myself.
I mean, that is like murder in your heart, according to God.
Like, even though you're not physically murdering someone, if you have hatred
towards them, that is murder in God's eyes, in his moral standards.

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So I feel like the wool was basically pulled off my eyes.
The truth that I've been seeking all this time, even through our podcast.
Was staring me right in the face and I just couldn't see it.
I was in bondage, I believe, and a lot...
Through the new age practices, I was practicing not knowing I was basically

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opening the door in my life, in my home, in my children's lives to the enemy.
You know, I was deceived. I was deceived.
And I thought the answers were in my heart. They were inside of me.
I mean, how many times I had people tell me that, you know, you're struggling
someone just look inside, you know, just what is your heart telling you?

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You know, follow your heart.
You're a good person. And that just turned out to be deception because I could
never trust myself. And now I understand why.
Yeah, we did some things, which we'll probably talk about in other episodes.
You know, that it's like, wow, okay. Because he was so drawn to that,

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you know, and to think what could have been, you know.
Very intriguing. I know you got this last quote. Yeah, let's just leave you
all, because I know this has been a long episode, with a last verse from John.
John was the apostle of love.
I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Yeah, so, I mean, Jesus is telling us, I mean, in his word, that historically,
archaeologically, it's great evidence that he really said those words. So that's John 14, 6.
I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Yeah, and I was listening here as you were kind of finishing up there,
and I know that part of my big issue is just the,
you know, going through this, and I was kind of slower than she was,
but it was the stigma around Christianity. Because I mean, there's a lot of.

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There's a lot of really bad people who, they use Christianity in really— Or
use God, you know? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, God told me to tell you this. Yeah. He told me to do this.
But I mean, there's a lot of people who, you know, they—I don't even know the
way to describe it, but I mean, you know, they manipulate.

(01:41:10):
They use the Scripture to manipulate people. Yeah.
And, you know, building churches and things like that. I mean,
I think a lot of them do it right.
And I think, but I think there are, you know, it's one of those things where
it's like a restaurant, you know, everybody sees the bad reviews,
but no rare, you know, I think one out of every 10 bad reviews is a good review, right?

(01:41:32):
Because people just aren't as motivated to do that as they are with the bad.
So, you know, I had this stigma, and I'm like, okay, yeah, you know,
I don't want to be associated with that.
And I think that it had to get, you know, us studying the Bible and talking
about it, that had to get bigger than all of that for me to get over that.

(01:41:54):
But, I mean, I want people who, you know, may be very judgmental of this episode,
you know, in what we're saying to say, hey, look— Or maybe jumping ship?
Well, no, but I just want to know that, look, I mean, I realize there are a
lot of bad spokespeople for Christianity, you know, who they don't even understand.
A lot of them maybe are naive to things. A lot of them are not naive.

(01:42:17):
Like I said, they're manipulating with it.
And they're just really bad representatives. And so, you know,
I had to get over that, you know, and I and I had to say, OK,
you know, it's kind of it's kind of like if you look at the United States, I choose to live here.
Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I I'm not going to just.

(01:42:40):
Throw away what is the United States of America. If it was really just this
cesspool of crap, I'd move, you know what I mean? I'd leave.
But I'm here because I do believe in an idea of it, and I would like to see
that get strengthened, and so I'm still here, right? I'm part of this ecosystem.

(01:43:03):
And so with Christianity, I think that I had to say, okay, look,
you know, So, yeah, there's a lot in here that I don't like,
and I know that there's a lot of people who've had some very bad experiences,
you know, whether it be with family, whether it be with churches they were members
of, whether it be with just something that they saw other people experience and they detested of it.

(01:43:27):
I get that, okay, but I also ask them to look at that and say,
well, was it really you studying the Bible and coming to the same conclusions
that that person who was acting improperly had,
or did you just react to what that person was doing?

(01:43:48):
You know, that person in and of themselves, because I think I was just reacting
to those people, those characters.
And, you know, this is so much bigger than the characters, you know,
it's about me and my relationship with God.
And so, you know, I got to, what's that line, you know, you got to be the change
you want to see in Christianity, you know, and all of that.

(01:44:11):
And so, I got to take that on. And it's so annoying that those things were done by men.
They were not done by God, by the Creator.
I mean, we got ourselves into this pickle, right? And then here He is,
the Almighty God that created everything.

(01:44:31):
Rainbows, puppies, kittens, everything. You and me, our hearts and our bodies
with this beautiful design.
Sign and he comes to the earth in flesh, just like us, humbles himself. And he could have come.
As a fancy king, you know, but he came as a carpenter, a humble servant.

(01:44:59):
He came and his own, as I said, did not receive him.
He helped and healed the sick, performing many, many miracles.
I mean, the gospel is full of his miracles. He spoke the truth.
For that, he was mocked, He was persecuted and he was brutally murdered.

(01:45:22):
He suffered in the cross for all of us.
He paid the enormous debt we can never repay on our own.
If that is not love, I don't know what is. What is love?
I don't know. So it's the greatest act of love we can show to one another is to speak the truth.

(01:45:42):
And that's why we're here today in this episode, just telling you guys this
truth. You know, not our truth.
It's God's truth. It's what we found in His Word.
And we just want to finish the episode with one more clip about, it's a lady.
Her name is Angela Uchi, I think you say.

(01:46:04):
She's a former New Ager. She had a big following also in the New Age space.
And now she's the host of the Heaven and Healing podcast and we just found this
interview with her sharing.
God's truth very touching, wanted to share it with you I will do that now I
mean I fully agree with that and I see now how,

(01:46:28):
all that work, you know, it was always, that's, that's the mantra doing the
work. You're doing the work, you're doing the work and that's self-help too.
And it's like, you're doing the work, you're doing the work to heal.
You're doing the work to heal. It's like, okay, but for what?
Because it's all futile because you can't save yourself.
I would say you can't be your own problem and your own solution.
And it's like self-help, self-love, self-hate. Like it's all one in the same

(01:46:49):
because ultimately what's the root?
It's self. And so sometimes I get, well, well, is it wrong to want to better yourself?
I'm like, absolutely not. Of course not. I think that in a way,
we all want to be better. Hopefully we all want to be a better person.
And I believe that is the kind of, you know, the knowing that we have sin that I digress.

(01:47:10):
That's the process of sanctification is becoming fuller.
But people outside of it think that, well, if the opposite of self-love, that's self-hate.
But that's not true. You know, I think the opposite of self-love is self-sacrifice.
And that's really kind of what walking with God is in a lot of ways.

(01:47:31):
Right. There's that idea. I forget which playwright wrote it.
I forget if it was Shaw or Moliere. I don't know. It was one of those guys.
Said that hell is where you have nothing to do all day but amuse yourself.
Right. So it's, and it is. Everyone
knows it. Everyone knows it who's ever had a vacation from school.
By day three, you just want to pull your hair out.

(01:47:53):
You're just so, you've got nothing left to do. You have no sense of purpose.
And so when you are sacrificing for others, when you're serving others,
you will have far greater love than when you're just trying to amuse yourself.
And that doesn't mean serving others based on if they wake up one day and they'd
want to be a boy if they're a girl.
That doesn't serve anybody. it means serving serving people

(01:48:13):
in truth and leading with truth which brings us back to there is an objective
reality and there is an objective standard and there is an objective truth the
definition of truth is not fluid or wouldn't be truth truth is you know unwavering
rock solid so there has to.

(01:48:33):
There has to be a truth, by definition. You either more yourself to that,
that rock, or you're just floating into outer space next to all your star systems
and your old alien buddies.
That's not a great place to be. All right.
All right, guys. So that is, what is his name? He has a big following, too.

(01:48:53):
Yeah. I'll have to look that up, put it in the show notes. I put it there.
It is, yeah. It will be in the show notes if you want to, if you're still listening to us.
We've been tuned out already, but again, we just wanted to share our rebirth,
I guess, and the new direction of this podcast.

(01:49:16):
And we would love for you to come along in this wild ride.
And so God is patient. He's merciful and he wants to be in your life.
Yes, he wants to be in our life. He wants to draw us near.
And so that is really the purpose of this episode, to really share where we

(01:49:39):
are in our walk, in our walking with Christ.
And we want that for you, too. We want eternal life for you with God Almighty.
All right. We're working on a new outro. Until then, thank you all for joining
us for another episode of the Collective Resistance podcast.

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