July 22, 2024 • 15 mins
In a historic announcement yesterday morning, U.S. President Joe Biden stepped down from his re-election campaign. Biden said he believed it was “in the best interest” of the Democratic party and the U.S. for him to “stand down”. In today’s deep dive, we’ll explain why Vice President Kamala Harris is the likely candidate, and what’s set to happen next.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,
now it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the twenty third of July. I'm Zara, I'm Lucy. Early
yesterday morning, Australian time US President Joe Biden made a
surprise post to his ex account he was dropping out
of the twenty twenty four election. Biden said he believed
it was in the best interest of the Democratic Party
(00:34):
and the United States for him to stand down. So
what happens now, That's what we'll be trying to answer
in today's deep dive. But first, Lucy, what's making headlines?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has thanked his US counterpart Joe
Biden for his service after news Biden was pulling out
of the US presidential race. In opposed to acts, Albanzi
acknowledged the president's leadership, saying the Australia US alliance has
never been stronger. The PM said Biden deserves to be
recognized for not putting himself forward first in his decision
to stand down ahead of the November election.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
A real estate education provider has been ordered to refund
nearly fifteen million dollars in course fees and pay a
five million dollar penalty for misleading students. Consumer watchdog The
A Triple C found the DG Institute taught students false
information about how mortgaging works and gave them misleading advice
about their finances. The A Triple C said well over
(01:33):
one thousand students enrolled in the programs and each paid
between four and a half and nine and a half
thousand dollars to participate based on false claims about DG's services.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
A US journalist has been sentenced to sixteen years in
a Russian prison on spying charges. The Wall Street Journal
says its reporter Evan Gershkevich has been wrongly detained for
nearly five hundred days, while President Joe Biden said the
two year old has been targeted by Russia quote because
he is a journalist and an American. Gershkevich was charged
(02:06):
with spying on the Russian government last year. He continues
to deny the charges, and Biden said his government is
pushing for his release.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And some good news. Botanists have voted to rename over
two hundred plant species that contained variations of a racial slur.
Around three hundred and fifty plant experts voted in favor
of changing the names of a range of plans, including
fungi and algae, to remove derogatory terms historically used against
black people. The changes will also recognize Africa as the
(02:38):
home to many of these species, according to findings published
in the journal Nature.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All of US woke up to the news yesterday morning
that President Joe Biden, the oldest serving president in US history,
had officially stepped down from the twenty twenty four election race.
It's safe to say this was expected, although the timing
kind of wasn't. But there I've been countless headlines in
US outlets speculating about this four weeks on end, and
(03:06):
public calls from prominent Democrats and supporters for him to
drop out. We weren't exactly sure when this news would drop,
but we pretty much knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly. And I feel like it's had quite a
long tail because we first started having these discussions and
certainly on this podcast, back at the end of last month,
when Biden and Donald Trump faced off in their first
presidential debate. Now, this debate, interestingly, was a lot earlier
in the year than it usually is, And it was
reported that this was actually a gamble by Biden's campaign
(03:37):
to reset the narrative and to remind people of the
importance of voting for him at the upcoming election. But
I think it is now safe to say that that
gamble did not pay off.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It did not. The only conversation around the debate was
Biden's performance. He looked and he sounded eighty one years.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Old, dealing with everything we have to do with what
if we finally beat.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Medicare The debate stoked some existing concerns about his fitness
to stay on for another four years. The demands of
the presidency. You know, you're working one hundred hour weeks,
You're handling complex international issues. He you know, wants to
improve the economy, all these things you have to do
when you're the leader of the free world. So there
were a lot of concerns, based on this debate performance,
(04:25):
about his ability to continue doing that for another four years.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So that debate was on the twenty seventh of June,
and until early yesterday morning, it seems like there was
this constant kind of tension between will he do it,
will he not do it? I know that Axios, which
is an extremely reputable news site in the US reported
it was likely to happen last weekend, but then you know,
we at least got to the end of our Australian
weekend and nothing had happened. But it does seem like
(04:52):
all of the consideration behind Joe Biden announcing this resignation
was behind the scenes, because outwardly he was saying he
was in it to win it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes, so publicly he was telling people he would only
drop out if God told him to. Then he was
telling people he would only step down if a doctor
told him there was a medical concern about his continuing
and then he was diagnosed with COVID and after that
he goes into seclusion in isolation at his holiday house
in Delaware, And based on what we know from reputable
(05:23):
US news sites, Biden called his main advisors to that
house on Saturday afternoon local time, that's about twenty four
hours before the big announcement, and from that time they
were workshopping how he was going to step down. Essentially,
what we also know is that they saw some pretty
tough polling that he was behind in several of the
(05:44):
states that he really really needed to win in order
to win the election, and so after that consideration, after
seeing that polling, they announced the decision to step down
on Sunday morning local time. He'd spent also that day
calling some of his advisors, his senior Democrat colleagues, Kamala Harris,
(06:06):
vice President, we'll get to her in a second. And
at one forty five pm, according to these sources, Biden
called a big group of advisors and told them he
was stepping down. And at one forty six pm he
posted his letter on X so.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Just to pick up on that. So he told his
advisors one minute before he posted to X that he
was not going to be contesting the next election. It's
a pretty remarkable thing to hear, and I know a
lot of people were really fixated on that fact because
I think it just shows how fast moving this all was.
That this wasn't necessarily, you know, something that was agreed
upon months and months ago, when they were just waiting
(06:41):
for the perfect time. The fact that his advisors were
told just a minute before, I think really shows what
we're dealing with here in a modern political system that
is just experiencing very new things for the first time.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, so the innermost circle finds out over the weekend.
Then the next of the circle of advisors finds out
one minute before, and everyone else, including his entire campaign team,
found out at the same time as the rest of
the world. There are reports that campaign teams were making
calls to people shoring up donations as recently as thirty
(07:16):
minutes before the announcement, and there was even a scheduled
email that ended up going out after he had resigned.
So it was all very.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Quick and so one of the reasons that you know,
some Democrats didn't want him to step down was the
uncertainty of the vacuum that would lead this close to
an election. What do we know about what happens from now.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, he endorsed his vice president, Krmla Harris to take
over from him, But it's not quite as simple as
him saying I think this is who it should be.
There's a lot of processes that need to happen. But
before we get into those processes, I think now's a
good moment to kind of talk about who Karmala Harris is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, she's been vice president, but for anyone
that's not across who this possible presidential nominee could be,
who is Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
She first came to international attention in twenty nineteen when
she announced she was running for the Democratic nomination. So
this is the same election that Joe Biden was running
in against Donald Trump. She dropped out in late twenty
nineteen after that campaign kind of came to an end.
She endorsed Biden, and then he chose her to be
(08:22):
his vice president in twenty twenty. They went on to
then win the twenty twenty election. Before that, she was
a Senator representing the state of California, where she's from.
Before that, she was that state's attorney general. She's half
black and half South Asian. If she wins this election,
she will be not only the first woman president, but
also the first of South Asian heritage. In terms of
(08:43):
her policies, she's really the leader of the Biden campaigns
or now pasted Biden campaigns stance on abortion. She's very
pro reproductive rights. She also has a reputation among some
voters as a cop based on her tough on crime
record as California's attorney general. Some people have said that's
probably a good thing, given that she's running against a
(09:05):
convicted criminal. But these are all just kind of different
perspectives that people have about this woman who has this
background in the law.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think one of the useful parts of Biden endorsing
Harris is that there is already polling on her and
her popularity, and you know, this isn't a clean slate
per se. People will disagree on whether that is a
good or a bad thing. What do we know about
how popular she is among voters in the US?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
She in the past has been criticized for not having
the most high profile as a vice president, and she's
been fairly unpopular among voters since mid twenty twenty one,
when two things happened that kind of brought her approval
polling down and they never totally recovered. First, she was
recorded telling migrants do not come to the US, and
(09:52):
then soon after that, Biden pulled troops out of Afghanistan,
which also brought her ratings down as well as his.
But recent opinion polls ranked her ahead of Biden in
terms of preferred president, and while she's trailing Trump as
the preferred president, the gap is narrowing, and it's certainly
narrower than the one that Biden had from behind Trump.
(10:15):
So there's a lot of room to move.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah. I think something that's really interesting is that Donald
Trump and his campaign would be fairly annoyed that they
had just spent however long creating these campaign videos and
all of these slogans based on Sleepy Doough and everything
was about criticizing Joe Biden, and now suddenly there is
this new possible candidate. So at the time of recording,
(10:38):
she is setting up this new campaign. Joe Biden and
several very senior Democrats have all endorsed her. But that
doesn't actually make Kamala Harris the next official candidate, right,
That's right.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All of the process that has been worked through up
to this point leading to Joe Biden being named the
nominee now kind of has a line drawn under it.
So the normal process of selecting a party's official presidential
candidate takes place over many months, with a series of
what's called primary elections, where presidential hopefuls try to win
delegates who then vote for them at a convention held
(11:12):
a couple of months before the official election, and then
in between the convention and the actual election, the Republican
and Democrat candidates campaign with the full support of their
individual parties, Joe Biden had already won ninety nine percent
of the Democratic delegates, as is fairly standard for a
sitting president. Now, however, since he's stepped down, Kamala Harris
(11:34):
needs to confirm she has the support of most of
these delegates if she wants to be the nominee at
the convention. If the party doesn't agree on a candidate
before the DNC in August, that triggers what's called an
open convention. In that case, delegates go through several rounds
of voting before they agree on a candidate. And the
last time this happened was actually in nineteen sixty eight,
(11:57):
long time ago, long time ago, so long ago that
Joe Biden wasn't actually in the Senate yet, and that
was after President Lyndon Johnson withdrew from the race amid
increasing tensions over the US involvement in the Vietnam War.
Bringing it back to today, Carmala Harris has secured quite a
bit of support. So we may not see a true
open convention, but we're just going to have to wait
(12:19):
and see.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Now, obviously, this is a story about the Democrats. For
so long, all of the stories coming out have been
about Joe Biden, but this is kind of turning a
new leave. One thing that remains the same, though, is
that Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, and that he
has spent a lot of time attacking Joe Biden, who
will no longer be his opponent. What have we heard
from Trump since Biden announced he was stepping down.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
In oppost to his platform truth social He said Biden
was quote not fit to run for president and certainly
not fit to serve, and never was. Trump is also
now the oldest ever official candidate at a US election.
Interesting so far, he doesn't have a catchy nickname for
Carmla like he did for Joe, calling him Sleepy Joe
and Crooked Joe, sovar he's only called her laughing Karmela.
(13:04):
More broadly, Republicans have said that since Biden has dropped
out of the presidential race, he should also resign from office,
because this means, they say that he's admitted he's unfit
to serve. The White House has said he's not going
to step down from actually being the president.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So just step us through that. So they're saying he
has to serve until the November election, but then until
the inauguration. Next January, and they are suggesting that he
should resign now and not wait till that time, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Which would put Carmela in a remarkable position of having
to become the president and also campaign in the same moment.
It honestly seems like a good system to have the
president be one person and the person actively campaigning be
another person, which is how it typically happens at the
end of a two term presidency. So the White House
(13:52):
has said he's staying on. The argument against stepping down
completely is that it's just a few more months. It's
not four more years, and often not always, the world
has changed. The months in between the election in November
and the inauguration of the president in January have been
a fairly low key time. We'll see what happens, but
(14:13):
that has been the case in the past, although I
guess we are living in unprecedented times.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
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Daily Ohs, and thank you for listening to this episode.
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until then, have a great day.
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Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,
now it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the twenty third of July. I'm Zara, I'm Lucy. Early
yesterday morning, Australian time US President Joe Biden made a
surprise post to his ex account he was dropping out
of the twenty twenty four election. Biden said he believed
it was in the best interest of the Democratic Party
(00:34):
and the United States for him to stand down. So
what happens now, That's what we'll be trying to answer
in today's deep dive. But first, Lucy, what's making headlines?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has thanked his US counterpart Joe
Biden for his service after news Biden was pulling out
of the US presidential race. In opposed to acts, Albanzi
acknowledged the president's leadership, saying the Australia US alliance has
never been stronger. The PM said Biden deserves to be
recognized for not putting himself forward first in his decision
to stand down ahead of the November election.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
A real estate education provider has been ordered to refund
nearly fifteen million dollars in course fees and pay a
five million dollar penalty for misleading students. Consumer watchdog The
A Triple C found the DG Institute taught students false
information about how mortgaging works and gave them misleading advice
about their finances. The A Triple C said well over
(01:33):
one thousand students enrolled in the programs and each paid
between four and a half and nine and a half
thousand dollars to participate based on false claims about DG's services.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
A US journalist has been sentenced to sixteen years in
a Russian prison on spying charges. The Wall Street Journal
says its reporter Evan Gershkevich has been wrongly detained for
nearly five hundred days, while President Joe Biden said the
two year old has been targeted by Russia quote because
he is a journalist and an American. Gershkevich was charged
(02:06):
with spying on the Russian government last year. He continues
to deny the charges, and Biden said his government is
pushing for his release.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And some good news. Botanists have voted to rename over
two hundred plant species that contained variations of a racial slur.
Around three hundred and fifty plant experts voted in favor
of changing the names of a range of plans, including
fungi and algae, to remove derogatory terms historically used against
black people. The changes will also recognize Africa as the
(02:38):
home to many of these species, according to findings published
in the journal Nature.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All of US woke up to the news yesterday morning
that President Joe Biden, the oldest serving president in US history,
had officially stepped down from the twenty twenty four election race.
It's safe to say this was expected, although the timing
kind of wasn't. But there I've been countless headlines in
US outlets speculating about this four weeks on end, and
(03:06):
public calls from prominent Democrats and supporters for him to
drop out. We weren't exactly sure when this news would drop,
but we pretty much knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly. And I feel like it's had quite a
long tail because we first started having these discussions and
certainly on this podcast, back at the end of last month,
when Biden and Donald Trump faced off in their first
presidential debate. Now, this debate, interestingly, was a lot earlier
in the year than it usually is, And it was
reported that this was actually a gamble by Biden's campaign
(03:37):
to reset the narrative and to remind people of the
importance of voting for him at the upcoming election. But
I think it is now safe to say that that
gamble did not pay off.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It did not. The only conversation around the debate was
Biden's performance. He looked and he sounded eighty one years.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Old, dealing with everything we have to do with what
if we finally beat.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Medicare The debate stoked some existing concerns about his fitness
to stay on for another four years. The demands of
the presidency. You know, you're working one hundred hour weeks,
You're handling complex international issues. He you know, wants to
improve the economy, all these things you have to do
when you're the leader of the free world. So there
were a lot of concerns, based on this debate performance,
(04:25):
about his ability to continue doing that for another four years.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So that debate was on the twenty seventh of June,
and until early yesterday morning, it seems like there was
this constant kind of tension between will he do it,
will he not do it? I know that Axios, which
is an extremely reputable news site in the US reported
it was likely to happen last weekend, but then you know,
we at least got to the end of our Australian
weekend and nothing had happened. But it does seem like
(04:52):
all of the consideration behind Joe Biden announcing this resignation
was behind the scenes, because outwardly he was saying he
was in it to win it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes, so publicly he was telling people he would only
drop out if God told him to. Then he was
telling people he would only step down if a doctor
told him there was a medical concern about his continuing
and then he was diagnosed with COVID and after that
he goes into seclusion in isolation at his holiday house
in Delaware, And based on what we know from reputable
(05:23):
US news sites, Biden called his main advisors to that
house on Saturday afternoon local time, that's about twenty four
hours before the big announcement, and from that time they
were workshopping how he was going to step down. Essentially,
what we also know is that they saw some pretty
tough polling that he was behind in several of the
(05:44):
states that he really really needed to win in order
to win the election, and so after that consideration, after
seeing that polling, they announced the decision to step down
on Sunday morning local time. He'd spent also that day
calling some of his advisors, his senior Democrat colleagues, Kamala Harris,
(06:06):
vice President, we'll get to her in a second. And
at one forty five pm, according to these sources, Biden
called a big group of advisors and told them he
was stepping down. And at one forty six pm he
posted his letter on X so.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Just to pick up on that. So he told his
advisors one minute before he posted to X that he
was not going to be contesting the next election. It's
a pretty remarkable thing to hear, and I know a
lot of people were really fixated on that fact because
I think it just shows how fast moving this all was.
That this wasn't necessarily, you know, something that was agreed
upon months and months ago, when they were just waiting
(06:41):
for the perfect time. The fact that his advisors were
told just a minute before, I think really shows what
we're dealing with here in a modern political system that
is just experiencing very new things for the first time.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, so the innermost circle finds out over the weekend.
Then the next of the circle of advisors finds out
one minute before, and everyone else, including his entire campaign team,
found out at the same time as the rest of
the world. There are reports that campaign teams were making
calls to people shoring up donations as recently as thirty
(07:16):
minutes before the announcement, and there was even a scheduled
email that ended up going out after he had resigned.
So it was all very.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Quick and so one of the reasons that you know,
some Democrats didn't want him to step down was the
uncertainty of the vacuum that would lead this close to
an election. What do we know about what happens from now.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, he endorsed his vice president, Krmla Harris to take
over from him, But it's not quite as simple as
him saying I think this is who it should be.
There's a lot of processes that need to happen. But
before we get into those processes, I think now's a
good moment to kind of talk about who Karmala Harris is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, she's been vice president, but for anyone
that's not across who this possible presidential nominee could be,
who is Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
She first came to international attention in twenty nineteen when
she announced she was running for the Democratic nomination. So
this is the same election that Joe Biden was running
in against Donald Trump. She dropped out in late twenty
nineteen after that campaign kind of came to an end.
She endorsed Biden, and then he chose her to be
(08:22):
his vice president in twenty twenty. They went on to
then win the twenty twenty election. Before that, she was
a Senator representing the state of California, where she's from.
Before that, she was that state's attorney general. She's half
black and half South Asian. If she wins this election,
she will be not only the first woman president, but
also the first of South Asian heritage. In terms of
(08:43):
her policies, she's really the leader of the Biden campaigns
or now pasted Biden campaigns stance on abortion. She's very
pro reproductive rights. She also has a reputation among some
voters as a cop based on her tough on crime
record as California's attorney general. Some people have said that's
probably a good thing, given that she's running against a
(09:05):
convicted criminal. But these are all just kind of different
perspectives that people have about this woman who has this
background in the law.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think one of the useful parts of Biden endorsing
Harris is that there is already polling on her and
her popularity, and you know, this isn't a clean slate
per se. People will disagree on whether that is a
good or a bad thing. What do we know about
how popular she is among voters in the US?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
She in the past has been criticized for not having
the most high profile as a vice president, and she's
been fairly unpopular among voters since mid twenty twenty one,
when two things happened that kind of brought her approval
polling down and they never totally recovered. First, she was
recorded telling migrants do not come to the US, and
(09:52):
then soon after that, Biden pulled troops out of Afghanistan,
which also brought her ratings down as well as his.
But recent opinion polls ranked her ahead of Biden in
terms of preferred president, and while she's trailing Trump as
the preferred president, the gap is narrowing, and it's certainly
narrower than the one that Biden had from behind Trump.
(10:15):
So there's a lot of room to move.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah. I think something that's really interesting is that Donald
Trump and his campaign would be fairly annoyed that they
had just spent however long creating these campaign videos and
all of these slogans based on Sleepy Doough and everything
was about criticizing Joe Biden, and now suddenly there is
this new possible candidate. So at the time of recording,
(10:38):
she is setting up this new campaign. Joe Biden and
several very senior Democrats have all endorsed her. But that
doesn't actually make Kamala Harris the next official candidate, right,
That's right.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All of the process that has been worked through up
to this point leading to Joe Biden being named the
nominee now kind of has a line drawn under it.
So the normal process of selecting a party's official presidential
candidate takes place over many months, with a series of
what's called primary elections, where presidential hopefuls try to win
delegates who then vote for them at a convention held
(11:12):
a couple of months before the official election, and then
in between the convention and the actual election, the Republican
and Democrat candidates campaign with the full support of their
individual parties, Joe Biden had already won ninety nine percent
of the Democratic delegates, as is fairly standard for a
sitting president. Now, however, since he's stepped down, Kamala Harris
(11:34):
needs to confirm she has the support of most of
these delegates if she wants to be the nominee at
the convention. If the party doesn't agree on a candidate
before the DNC in August, that triggers what's called an
open convention. In that case, delegates go through several rounds
of voting before they agree on a candidate. And the
last time this happened was actually in nineteen sixty eight,
(11:57):
long time ago, long time ago, so long ago that
Joe Biden wasn't actually in the Senate yet, and that
was after President Lyndon Johnson withdrew from the race amid
increasing tensions over the US involvement in the Vietnam War.
Bringing it back to today, Carmala Harris has secured quite a
bit of support. So we may not see a true
open convention, but we're just going to have to wait
(12:19):
and see.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Now, obviously, this is a story about the Democrats. For
so long, all of the stories coming out have been
about Joe Biden, but this is kind of turning a
new leave. One thing that remains the same, though, is
that Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, and that he
has spent a lot of time attacking Joe Biden, who
will no longer be his opponent. What have we heard
from Trump since Biden announced he was stepping down.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
In oppost to his platform truth social He said Biden
was quote not fit to run for president and certainly
not fit to serve, and never was. Trump is also
now the oldest ever official candidate at a US election.
Interesting so far, he doesn't have a catchy nickname for
Carmla like he did for Joe, calling him Sleepy Joe
and Crooked Joe, sovar he's only called her laughing Karmela.
(13:04):
More broadly, Republicans have said that since Biden has dropped
out of the presidential race, he should also resign from office,
because this means, they say that he's admitted he's unfit
to serve. The White House has said he's not going
to step down from actually being the president.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So just step us through that. So they're saying he
has to serve until the November election, but then until
the inauguration. Next January, and they are suggesting that he
should resign now and not wait till that time, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Which would put Carmela in a remarkable position of having
to become the president and also campaign in the same moment.
It honestly seems like a good system to have the
president be one person and the person actively campaigning be
another person, which is how it typically happens at the
end of a two term presidency. So the White House
(13:52):
has said he's staying on. The argument against stepping down
completely is that it's just a few more months. It's
not four more years, and often not always, the world
has changed. The months in between the election in November
and the inauguration of the president in January have been
a fairly low key time. We'll see what happens, but
(14:13):
that has been the case in the past, although I
guess we are living in unprecedented times.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Lucy, thank you so much for joining us on the
Daily Ohs, and thank you for listening to this episode.
If you learned something new about how quirking the American
political system is, feel free to send this episode to
a friend. It means that the Daily OS can grow
every single day and continue to break down the biggest
stories in the world. We'll be back again tomorrow, but
until then, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda
bunge Lung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily os
acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the lands of
the Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to
the first peoples of these countries, both past just in present.
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