Hour 1: NBA Draft Night 1 Reaction w/ Brace, Barnard, & Oshtry - 06/26/25

Sean Brace, Sean Barnard, and Sam Oshtry talk all things NBA Draft! Will VJ Edgecombe be a shrewd pick? Who did the Sixers get in the 2nd round that surprised many!? What other surprises left us shocked? All that and MORE in Hour 1 of the Daily Ticket!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
So the Portland Trailblazers select Colin Coward.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Here this is a young man.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh, I don't know if he's that young Malika. He's
got a couple on me, and I'm not the youngest
guy in the block. That's for damn sure. Good afternoon, everybody.
It's the Daily Ticket coming to you live. Following the
NBA Draft Night one in the NBA, of course, front
and center, all things on ESPN last night. A lot

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of people talking about the coverage. We're gonna get into that,
but we got to open up with.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
The Philadelphia seventy six ers.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And the selection at number three overall, VJ.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Edgecombe with the third pick in the twenty twenty five
NBA Draft, the Philadelphia seventy six Ers select VJ. Edge
Company from Bimany, Bahamas and bill Or University.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
How about that Sam oustry from the scorer, Sean Bernard,
right from the jump, folks, if you are itching to
get a little bit more information on the seventy six
ers and everything that's coming our way for this upcoming season,
expectations for the rookie. We're gonna revisit everything that took
place in Night one. We're gonna look ahead tonight because
there's plenty of value on the board.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Of course, the kid from Saint Joe's still available.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
We got a lot to get to and Sam and
Sean are the best to have right here right now.
So boys, I want to open up with a simple
question to get this party started. Colin Cowherd, Are you
kidding not?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Kid?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
VJ edge Combe expectations right, We'll go right to it.
And when it was called no surprise, we discussed it
at Linked I feel like for a couple of days now.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yesterday we hit on it pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
The money was there at minus seven hundred, Julian told
us money coming in on the fact that VJ would
have been the third overall selection. Do you think there
was any phone calls being made behind the scenes that
Morey wanted to possibly potentially draft our trade back and
draft somebody else. Sam will start with you all of
the above. Certainly no surprises there there are.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Moore even said in his postgame press conference he was like,
I love hiding my pick, but usually I'm not drafting
this early on, and he admitted and just relented on
the fact that I'm not going to be able to
hide this pick, and he just gave up on that.
And that's why there were so many leagues about it,
because he knew everyone knew who he was gonna draft,
and he said he was looking between four guys that
obviously was VJ. Edgecombe, likely Ace Bailey, likely Trey Johnson,

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and maybe come on, Mala watch you could project as
potentially the fourth guy they were looking at. There it
ended up being vg Edgecomb, which everyone had projected for
weeks now, going back to I don't even know exactly
when it was between Ace Bailey and VG Edgecombe. The
second the Sixers got the pick, I said, VJ. Edgecombe
is the guy what the Sixers are getting. It is
an unbelievable athlete, like an unbelievable athlete, the best athlete

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in this class, and not just the best athlete in
this draft class, one of the best athletes in the
league already, because he's that much of an athlete.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
When you watch this guy soar and.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Jump, jump for dunks, for putbacks, for blocks, it's like
he's going on the stepper and he's just has his
hang time is ridiculous. He just he continues to elevate
as he jumps. He could I could watch him jump
for twenty minutes. So an unbelievable athlete, a good defender,
a good spot up player, who will be a complimentary
piece to Tyre, Smaxy McCain and Bed Paul George all

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those guys. Which is the role you need him to fill.
So it's it's the right pick. Obviously, it's not the
situation the Sixers want to be in where they're drafting
three overall, But given the circumstance, it was the right
pick and the Sixers got a good one. Sean Bernard,
what else would you like to fill in there?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And for starters, I love it
from VJ puffing out your chest saying it that I'm
the best athlete in this draft. I can jump higher
and these guys. I can run faster than these guys,
as he did on the stage last night. But when
we talk about like these athletes in a vacuum that
are just these like ridiculous skill sets can jump out
the gym, it's oftentimes we're talking about there isn't a
shooting touch, or there isn't a feel for the game,

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and that is not the case with VJ. Edgecombe. There
is a refined skill set to his game as far
as making the right reads, being a good basketball player,
just knowing how to play in a way that I
think is often off the mark when we're talking about
like that arch type of player. He's a good shooter,
shot thirty five or thirty four percent at college. When
you look at his high school numbers, they're far more
prom that. The catch and shoot numbers are pretty solid there.

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And he's got a motor on him.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's the number one thing that I think is going
to jump off the page. Two six years. Fans and
the kind of general public, this dude plays his tail
off every single night. I still don't think he has
fully figured out how good he is as a basketball player.
And I had that feeling watching Baylor games. I may
have been up at till three am watching some Bahama's
Olympic tape last night, and I was thrilled with what
I saw from VJ. Edge come with a little more spacing.

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All those concerns about the handle and all that kind
of stuff, it was pretty much non existent when there
was better spacing on the floor, and I think that's
what he's going to get at the NBA level. So
I'm thrilled by the pick Sixers fans should feel hope
for it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
If I was Tony really on a previous around the
Horn Show, I would have gave him extra points. Were
you watching Bahama's Olympics six, I'm taking the well, watch
too much tape of these prospects on not Bahama's actually
not that much of viscom because you kind of you
kind of got want to watch more of the lottery
guys who you don't know as much of because I

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watched a lot of him in basketball.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
But definitely excuse me, but definitely not Bahamas Tea.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
All right, So again the seventy six ers third overall
pick VJ Edgecomb. We knew it, we all said it.
Everybody was on board, and Darryl Moury spoke a little
bit after at the press conference, excuse me, during the
first round, do we have let's just pause here. It
doesn't seem right. But if he's not making moves, should

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we care?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
But like you always want to keep your line open,
Darryl Moury was doing a press conference in the middle.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Of the first round.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, you always want to keep your line open, and
he had two phones with him on the podium. But
it's like, there could be something that happens, you have
to attend to you pretty quickly. And it was a
pretty short press commence, like ten minutes, but still people
head scratching, like, all right, what if there's a move?
What if you I mean, he was going to make
any moves, but what if someone's reaching out for a
late second round or next year's draft.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
I don't know anything.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, I agree the optics are bad. To throw a
little defense on him for this, I'm pretty confident, like
the game plan going is was we're making a pick
at three. When he into the finances, there really was
not a ton of room for them to even move
back into the late first round. So I think they
were pretty concretely content with they're gonna make the selection
at three and then they're going to attack in the
second round tonight, which I fully expect them to do.

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But I agree that the optics of it not exactly
ten out of ten.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, that's the one thing that hit me.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Were there any other general managers doing a press conference
during the first round, Like, that's the type of thing
that Daryl Morey. Look, he takes criticism that is correct,
he takes criticism that was off the wall. He has
a bullseye in his back because he comes off somewhat
smug and I'm the smartest guy in the room. That
is a prime of example. That's a prime example right there,

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Sam Presty doing it. Sorry, Yeah, he's a golden child
right now. And I would do anything that Sam Presty
is doing. In fact, they're talking about him possibly running
to Seattle SuperSonics if they get a new team in
this expansion.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah, that was a little bit of a tidbit that
was released last night.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Let me compliment Derrel Mory because I've been critical of him,
and I believe deservedly so in the past, But the
guy has drafted extremely away over the last few years.
When you go back to Tyres Maaxey in the twenties,
Jared McCain in the twenties, and we don't know what
vg Edgecombe is just yet, but everyone projects him to
be have a pretty high floor. And what Daryl Morray

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gets about the draft, and which is why the majority
of those picks.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Last night aren't going to pan out.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
The majority of those picks when their second contract comes around,
are not going to be on the same team. And
you want to know why and why the draft is
so difficult to predict. You're drafting a person as much
as you are a player, and you can project a player.
I mean, there are a million town evaluators scouts out
there who are really good at projecting the player that
a guy can become when you watch him on film,
Projecting a person at that youngman age, and projecting a

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person when he gets millions of dollars and goes into
fame and all this stuff. It's really difficult. But what
Morey has done a great job of is projecting the
person as much as the player. And when you look
at guys like Jared McCain and Tyres Maxey and now
VG Edgecombe, these are guys who have infectious energy, hard
working dude to just bring joy every single day to

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the facility and around the team.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Guys who people want to be around.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
And when you have that infectious energy and joy, it
translates to the whole team. So those are the guys
you want to draft. Also, guys who you know are
hard workers, but know they have so much more to
improve and things that they're that they need to improve on.
And that's what you get with Tyre s Maaxey, That's
what you get with Jared McCain. And now VG Edgecombe
is a guy who had nothing. Everyone saw that postgame
interview with Taylor Rooks when he was talking about how

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he have electricity for seven years, and he was they
had to. He was a generator his family and how
hard his mom worked to just give him a living
and a life, and now that motivated him to work
just as hard.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Those are people that you want to bring into your organization.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
So Darren Moore is in a phenomenal job of drafting
people as much as players. And that's as important as
anything when you're when you're bringing a guy into your
franchise in the draft, all right, And.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
To interject a little farther on the draft glove like
it goes beyond the first round. A Dan Bona they
nailed in the second round. Paul Reid was a good selection.
I had Joe a good selection. Justin Edwards. They brought
in off the undrafted market, and I get like in
the grand scheme of things. Sure, these aren't going to
make or break an organization, but that's a really good
hit rate when you look at the players drafted in
that range and what they've brought to a team here.

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And I do think that they've been cognizant and intentional
about the character that I think that this is something
that they have kept in mind and intentionally try to
build up a little bit of culture here in Philadelphia.
And I honestly think that pretty much entirely sums up
a good deal of the Ace Balley versus Bjay Edgecombe
conversation with the red flags that were popping off the
charts with Ace and shout out to him, I hope
you enjoy salt likes.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, you it took away, you took my my my
thunder there, Shan Bnard.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
But that's all right, it's a perfect segue.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
We'll flip it on the other way, all right, So
let's go ahead and play this. Of course, Ace Baalley
made life easier for Darryl Moury. He is now heading
to the Utah Jazz.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
The fifth pick in the twenty twenty five NBA Draft,
the Utah Jazz select Arius Ace Bailey from Rutgers.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
University and that is a good name. I won't lie.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You know what was funny too, I was laughing about
Harper and Ace Bailey, the Rutgers love.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
There was Rutgers in the jacket.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
They were all red and I'm just like you guys
were there for like literally half a season and they
went seventeen and fifteen, and they went seventeen and fifteen.
But then I said, oh, that's the nil world. Yeah,
when you make a couple million, I'm sure that's gonna
have a little bit of an impact on you.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
So a couple of million, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, anyway, so Ace Balley, let's shift it on over
to Ace Bailey ending up in Utah, and it's a
big deal. It's a big talking point for us for
the past couple of weeks. And you know what, it
was a big talking point yesterday. It's funny because you know,
when we were gonna talk a little bit about the
whole production, what the draft is, the personalities. You have

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to be very careful because you can't dunk on these kids.
You can't rip them this is their night or can
you Again, we're gonna get into it because there are
people out there that to say they like Bill Simmons.
Bill Simmons, you know, ripped on Anthony Bennett, which I
ripped on that draft pick as well as one of
the worst picks ever in NBA history, quite frankly. But
you know, there's a fine line, and I thought that

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they did a good job with that. But at the
same time, you could have gave me a little bit
more because this dude has been absolutely boneheaded. Whatever you know,
advice he's getting, it's it's one the wrong way to
go about it. And everybody said that yesterday, no matter
the outlet. So with that being said, Ace Bailey did
make life a little easier on Darryl Mory by forcing

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the hand of everybody out there Utah Jazz though selecting
what do you say.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
To that Sam Well? Ace Bailey's strategy didn't work, and
his camp strategy didn't work. They were trying to dictate
his destination. And my whole point had been that he's
not good enough. He's a really good player, exceptional raw talent,
but he's not good enough to try to dictate his destination.
So where was the destination to go to the Wizards
at six and and potentially maybe even Brooklyn at eight?

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Hell ever said they want to go play for the
reason is because geographically he's a Northeast guy.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
She just wanted to stay on the Northeast.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Sure, sure as hell didn't want to go play in Utah,
but that's where he landed. So that's the whole point
is that is strategy, and his team's strategy didn't work
because he ended up with the Utah Jazz, a place
he was pretty adamant that he did not want to go.
But I love the pick by Danny Ainge and Austin
Inge and that entire Jazz front office because why not
take a chance on this guy. You have nothing to lose,

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a really really weird roster where they can do with
Lori Markin and John Collins, all these guys. But the
I really like the pick because you have nothing to lose,
so you might as well take a chance on the
raw talent. Bring this guy in. It's gonna be his
show to some degree. But he also is gonna be
playing with other talented guys on a bad team in
the West. There's not gonna be a lot of spotlight
around him. Let him grow and develop. Who cares if

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he doesn't want to play for you? Guys. He's a professional.
He's not good enough to try to sit out or
say trade me or anything like that. So he's not
gonna do that. You you bring this guy into your
organization and you make him play for you, and you're
gonna you're you're gonna take a chance on a.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Guy who could pan out because of the raw talent.
So I love the gamble and I love the pick
from the jettis.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, and follow up a quick one from Roy uh
Roy checking he said he wanted to go to Wizard
to take twenty shots a game and deal.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
With no pressure. You're right.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
You're right, Roy, now that that absolutely nails it with that,
and he's.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Doing that with the Jazz to a degree with the
pressure part. The only thing is it's just all the
way out west that he didn't want to go out west.
He wants to stay on the East coast.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Sean Bob Myers did have a good take on earlier
the before the draft went off, and he said, look, man,
it's not something that you want as a general manager.
It doesn't mean you can't draft him. It's definitely a
red flag, but eventually there will be a spot that
you must pull the trigger. On him, no matter who
the team is. Steven A, I know, is very adamant

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about the seventy six Ers not drafting him. If you're
a Sixers fan out there and you're gonna sit look
me dead in the eye and say they should have
drafted him, I'm gonna say.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
You're out of your mind. With what we've been You're
out of your mind. Go ahead, Sean, Yeah, I agree
with that.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Like I ultimately landed on that conclusion. I did the
homework on Ace, Like I talked to a lot of
people about Ace, and I want to reinforce the point
that everything I've heard is he's not a bad kid.
He's a good teammate, he's well liked. But what it
is is he's got bad people in his ear right now.
And from what I understand in the situation, it is
Omar Cooper, Shreiff Cooper's dad who's advised him in these
situations and representing him as an agent. Here not a

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strong track record as an agent. His son, Shariff Cooper
had his own individual issues when making the NBA leap,
and when you just look he's represented some WNBA clients.
There's not really a track record in the NBA, and
I think he's kind of, I guess, a little above
his head in this situation. And to Sam's point, he spentily,
just not quite the caliber of talent that you can
steer things the way they attend you. But I didn't
want to bring this question up. I agree with you, Sam,

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up from the conclusion and assessment that he's not good enough.
But you don't think he tries. You don't think there's
any world where he causes a star beyond this or
is it he plays good soldier from here on that?

Speaker 5 (15:39):
I think he plays good soldier.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
I mean, he would be such a red flag if
at this point he tries to get his way out
of Utah. He's not organization would touch him, Like what
organization would touch this guy if he tries to if
he's anything but a good attitude going to play for
the Utah.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Do you think he's trying to force himself out of
Utah already?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Sean? I mean, I was certainly wasn't persuade by the
clips of his press conference. I saw Regard talking about it,
talking about like control what I can control. You know,
I had my teams I was searched for. They saw
it differently, like that's not what I want to hear.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, I don't, like you said to the point about
who's representing him and who's in his corner, he's not
getting good advice, And then includes with his pr strategy
in all of this and how he handles the press
and the media and the fans. But when he was
running away when the at the Mets game when the Sixers,
someone yelled at him like come to the Sixers and
he starts sprinting the other way. But taal smart, I
actually I wish I did that a long time ago.

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To yes, but but but to your point is he
would have no market out there if he started playing
sour and started just being having a horrible attitude going
to play for the Jazz. Like what organization would possibly
take a swing on this guy if he did that
as a guy who hasn't even played a single game
in the NBA. So I don't really think that's gonna
happen going up in the leg. That's what's good exactly.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
So I don't I think his advice might be bad.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
It's not that awful where we'll have a good attitude
and go to go to the Jazz and try to
develop as a player. Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Everybody did say that he could potentially be the best
pick in this draft. There were a lot of people
that said that, you know, he got the flag.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Flag.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
We're gonna talk about Coop in a second Cooper Flag.
Of course, the situation he's going into, Uh, do you
want to bring up the odds for Rookie of the year?
Cooper Flag is your favorite right now? Minus two hundred.
I don't think that that's a good play. We'll get
into that, like I said, Dylan Arper at plus nine hundred.
Of course with that price, it's not a good play
number one. But let's let's get into what exactly the
expectations and how it's gonna play out next year in Dallas,

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Ace Bailey ten to one. I did see people float
that out there because of what Roy just said.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Twenty shots a game. What do you say to that,
Sean Bnard, Yeah, I think there's a chance. I still
want to see the dust at all on the ace.
I'm not as fully convinced as you guys, and I
do think like that was the biggest red flag to
me of how deeply rooted the bad voice seems to
be in his camp here, and I don't think that
he's going anywhere in this conversation. So there's a.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Chance that he's really gonna make a scene and then
stir the pot over there.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, Like to your point about there being no market, Like,
he doesn't care about that at this point, that's not
in his control.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Bo.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
If he doesn't care what a turn on an Ace
Bailey trade would be at this point, Oh, he's gonna
care about is not even a return.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
It would be that there would be no callers. It
would be like the Bradley Beal situation, but it's a
completely different contract. There would be no callers calling for him,
and he should care about that because then his NBA
future is cooked.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You don't think if you're the Washington Wizards right now,
who concretely know Ace Bailey wants to play for us,
that you wouldn't move future capital or try and make
things happen to get him on the roster this year.
If he's that miserable in Utah.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I don't know, man, at this point. If he really
does that, I would be like, this guy is the
worst attitude ever. I want nothing to do. Sure everything
about him screams this guy can't become a good player
if he went that route. And it's not even a
good players, it's everything that goes beyond the player, it's
the person. So I would want nothing to do with that.
Just he wrote to a road my culture. If he
goes that route, I'm saying I wouldn't do that if

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I'm the Wizards.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, that's fair. The ideal world and the proper
response from Ace Bailey would be to say, I'm excited
to represent the Utah Jazz and excited to carve out
a basketball career from here, but I need to see
him take those steps. If he takes those steps down,
I still believe him, and it's a talent. I don't
take back any of the things that I said as
him from an evaluation for an on court standpoint, but
he is a raw product still that he is going
to have to clean up the shot selection, the playmaking.

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There's things to work on. He is not this like
dead set for stardom type of prospect here. There are
legitimate red flags both on and off the court. So
if he settles in and does that, I can see
the vision with an Acepaley Rookie the Year Conversation there's
a lot of steps until we get to that point.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
In my mind, yeah, I don't know where this dude
woke up and all of a sudden thought he was
James Harden Like, dude, you're not You're not on that level.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
You are a rookie. You had a great season at Rutgers.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
You have built up a huge deal over your whole
high school career. I want to give you all the
credit in the world to get to this point, but
there have been plenty of great players that have gotten
to this point.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
It's what's here now that's going to be the difference.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
And yeah, look, Danny Ainge, I want to give credit
to Julian Edlow because he joined us yesterday and he said,
from what I know about Danny Ainge Boston, he's got
all the connections all that.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
He said, he's not going to pass on Ace Baalley.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
So there was Sean Banar, Were you surprised at the
Charlotte Hornets pick would Continent P be passing on Ace Bailey?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
No, I wasn't surprised by that from the Hornets. I
think they're taking a page out of like the playbook
of building up culture that they seem way more intent
on building high character guys bringing those and they certainly
have their red flags and still do on roster from
personality or attitude standpoints or off court stuff, however you
want to phrase it with that. So I think Con
fits that, and the other thing is just from a
peer basketball standpoint, you need low usage guys to surround

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LaMelo ball primarily here that Con is not going to
need the ball in the hands a ton. He's going
to be a positive asset without eating like a tough
workload there. So I like the decision for Charlotte. I
think that's a good spot for Cohn too, And I
think they're quietly moving in the direction, in the right
direction Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
They love those tobacco row players though, that's the only issue.
And I thought it was a very easy draft pick.
We talked a lot about him yesterday. I thought Mark
Henry Junior had a pretty good take. As far as
defense is concerned. He's going to struggle, but if he's
filling it up from outside, I guess at it.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I'm with the pick.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I do want to laugh a little bit though about
the roster in Charlotte.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
If it did have Ace Bailey, if it did have Lamello,
who else? Who else?

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Am I missing?

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Miles Bridges? A lot of good character guys over there. Well,
that's what I think they're They're straying from it. And
by the way, I will Bridges a contract, right, I
hear you.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
The Miles Bridge and stuff to me is indefensible and
other stuff I can kind of Brandon Miller. Yeah. I mean.
The other point I was going to bring up here
real quick is I don't know if this says more
about our guy Jared McCain or Conk Nipple last night,
but I saw an interview with McCain and Knipple and
on the red carpet and they were looking eye to eye,
same size in my mind, so maybe our boy McCain
has grown a couple of inches.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
It would be nice to believe.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I was shocked because that little hopped on the show
and he was like, look, look at his combine numbers.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
He's floated out six to seven.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
I could not pin down what exactly his combine numbers
were for height, but I don't think he's six five.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
He didn't come up.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And from an athlete standpoint, con had a higher vertical
than A's bailey.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's wild.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
How is that he impossibly he's an underrated athlete. I mean,
obviously it's like, oh, this guy's a sneaky at how
many times we heard that about a white guy before.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, he is an underrated athlete.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Because people are like, he can't defend.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
And it's true, he can't defend because he doesn't move
his feet laterally as well as you would like. But
I think he has the capabilities to developing into a
good defender because he's pretty athletic, and he has length,
and he has height, and he's not like a weak guy.
He's strong, So I think he can develop into a
good defender, even though those are legitimate concerns.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
All right, First round twenty twenty five NBA Draft in
the books saw three duke players go in the top
ten in a record eighteen freshman gets selected. What else
is a big talking point?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Do you know the last time three duke players went
in the top ten the year? And the three players
I know Sean knows over.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
There eighteen, oh, Zion, Zion.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Cam Reddish. I have a pretty good feeling that these
three are going to pan out better than those three
cam Reddish. Non fact, you're r J. Barrett up and
down and Zion never plays.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
This is also an example of why you should not
just take NBA basketball players or basketball's word as gospel.
Is you ask any player in that draft class at
the time of who's the toughest player to guard in
this class? Every single one of them answered cam Rad mission,
we see what he's up to these days.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
You know, it's crazy because I I kind of got yeah,
not to just poo poo that shot, But staying with
the Duke point, like last night, I thought it would
have made a bigger impact.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
It would have made a bit, It would have made
the broadcast a bigger deal if Duke won the National Championship. Sure, yeah, true,
But but why because they won the the Natty like
it they hit me when I was watching him, like, damn, dude,
hit me because I lost money on it. But two
was like, damn if they won the National Championship and
then you get those three players selected where they were

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in the top ten, I just think it's another storyline
that people could have.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Didn't win the National champions But I feel like this
Duke team was so visible. Yeah, like everyone knew these
guys and they made the final four. One still and
it was such a collapse and heartbreaking loss that happened.
Like everyone in the sports I knew about it, thanks
for so it was still visible that that that this
duke team. So I don't know if it would have
made that much of a difference, but definitely would have
been cooler.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, definitely would have been cooler.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
More of a storyline, Let's talk a little bit about
Cooper Flag and the expectations for him down there in
Dallas right now. Again, I'm not putting stock into what
Kendrick Perkins says or anything along those lines, but that
was a huge talking point for a lot of last
night was Oh watch out, Dallas, gonna be able to
look Oklahoma City eye to eye.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, there's there's a lot to like about the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But let me ask you, would you from a standpoint
of Oklahoma City, who would you fear more?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Dallas or Houston? Houston. It's not having a question that
the Dallas prayer.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
I'm adding little out of hand, And I believe the
quote from Nico Harrison was that just boiled my blood
and made me so pissed, And I sent it to
Bernard and the DMS. Nico Harrison said, fortune favors the
Bold last night, Come on man, cool man, like, what
are we doing? Fortune favors the Bold? He said, wow

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after he made the worst trade in sports history, sending
Luka Doncics out. The MAVs had a less than two
percent chance of acquiring the number one pick of the draft.
They got as lucky as any team has ever got
in that history of the NBA by landing the number one.
I got another word for luck to generational rigged. You
said rigged, so so I So it was just it was.

(25:43):
It was just annoying and a ridiculous comment for him
to make. But I'll also say the MAVs shouldn't be
looked at as this contender starting next season.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
We'll see what they doing free agency.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
But starting next season, Cooper Flag is the only perimeter
creator they have on their team. They loaded front court
Anthony Davis, Derek Lively, Daniel gafferu Vitch just extended, but
perimeter creators. Kyrie Irving is starting out the season with
an ACL injury. When he comes back, whether that's February March,
whenever it is, who's to say he'll ever be the
same player, have the explosiveness that he did before when

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he was playing really good basketball before. So Cooper Flag
to start the season is the only legitimate perimeter creator.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
That's a problem.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
The guy's an eighteen year old rookie, and I think
he's going to be a generational player in the league
and all a perennial All NBA guy as a rookie.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
He's not capable of carrying that type of load as
a perimeter score and playmaker.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
So I don't think this roster, this MAVs roster is
properly constructed at all. I don't see them being a
top four team in the West. I think Cooper flag
is gonna be awesome, but that's down the line, not immediately.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
A lot of DraftKings special sha Belenard here, Cooper Flagd
average fifteen plus points per game. It's also tied in
with the Dallas Mavericks to win the West. I would
not recommend that that's a twenty eight to one nice
payday there. Cooper flag D average eighteen points per game,
six rebounds per game. What's your outlook for a year
one for Cooper Flag if he's healthy.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, the top part is the rebounding numbers are gonna
be a little bit difficult to come by with how
loaded their front court is with Derek Lively, with Anthony Davis, PJ.
Washington gonna be in the mix, who's a very good
rebounder as well. I agree with Sam's point that, like
this is not a finished product the roster as a whole.
I'm still pretty positive about the Mavericks in an overall direction,
that that's a team that's just going to be brutal
to face in a playoff series, Like I don't think

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even these top contenders will be looking forward to that,
Like if it's Oklahoma City, like they're going to beat
them up on the interior, and that's the entire model
that Dallas is leaning on. With that said, like, I
don't view them as a I would say legitimate threat
in the West, at least at this point until they
round out the guard rotation. I do see the vision,
unfortunately for a roster construction standpoint, but still the decision

(27:45):
making is pretty indefensible and this must be viewed in
history as a complete bailout that they won the lottery.
Don't let it get talked about like there was a
plan by Nico Harrison hit a one percent chance of
getting this draft pick and ultimately somehow worked out in
his favor.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Let me let me ask you this, because when the
Heat traded Luca, they were floating around five hundred, right,
if not even worse.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Luca was hurt Lucas.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
But my point is like they could even hung on
to Luca and potentially ended up with this pick.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I mean they were the playing like they were, They
were in the playing game and lost this year like that, correct,
But they were.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
With Luca, they probably would have made a late run. Yeah,
they probably would have made a late run. Because this
MAVs team, Anthony Davis got hurt and Kyrie got hurt.
It was a diastros they were. It was a miracle
they were even in the play. And in that point,
what I'll say about this MAVs I do want to
give credit to the Dallas maver fans. They were still
chanting fire Nico at the watch party. Good for them,
and they shouldn't stop into next season. I still fired.

(28:37):
I agree. Is that that perfectly segues to my next
point is that, yes, the MAVs will be a good
team next year with that front court, to whom be
hard to deal with. Even though Anthony Davis can only
play with Derek live the or Daniel guy from the floor,
and all three of those guys will will never see
the floor together. This MAVs team is set up for
the short term. Anthony Davis is aging, Anthony Davis is
also injury prone. Kyrie Irving is aging, as we know

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he's coming off an ACL injury. Who is Cooper Flagg
going to be playing with in four to five years?
And it's such a short term vision by Nico Harrison
that as long as he's there, and again the worst
front office in the entire NBA after what they did
this year, as long as Nico Harrison is there, I
can't see them going in the right direction to surround Luke,
excuse me me, surround Cooper Flag with talent over the

(29:21):
next four to five years. So it could be a
situation in five or six years we're looking at it
where like with Cooper Flagg actually not signed an extension
with the Mevs because he might want out because of
how poor this roster is around him. And Cooper Flagg's
emerged as this old NBA type player, but he has
no help as opposed to what the Spurs have done,
who have perfectly aligned Victor Wemenyama's timeline with the right

(29:43):
young pieces guys he can grow with.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
That doesn't exist for Cooper Flag.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
So we're looking at a situation where they have really
bad management who isn't properly looking at the long term
fusure future, just looking at the short term and the
short term future is good, but it's not good enough
to contend for a title. So as long as Nico
Harrison's there, I don't believe, and they still take the
short term vision and approach, I don't believe this is
the right.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Situation for Cooper Flag.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
All right, Well, a lot.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
To chew on there. On the other side, we're gonna
come back.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
We're gonna get into a little bit of a jewel
embiid because from the press conference, the only thing that
I took away was Darryl Moury saying that jewel embiid will.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Be already around quote around a training camp.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
So here, here's here we go.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh by the way, Sam de fine help to me yesterday,
Sean Bnard, I want to get your take on that
one for the seventy six ers next year as far
as a positive outlook is concerned. But we're also gonna
mix it up a little bit because I have somebody
in studio that is a diehard Maryland Alam who was
pulling for a gentleman by the name of Derek Queen
who hit the only winning buzzer beater in the twenty

(30:48):
twenty five and C Double Tournament.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
A solid player, a guy that I think will be
a pretty good pro.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
But it was a hefty price to get him, and
I don't understand why they didn't just draft him at eight.
I'm talking about the Pelicans. It has been put out
there last night from Bill Simmons and others. Mark Henry
Junior even hates it that this was one of, if
not the worst trade in the past decade as far
as the NBA draft is concerned, maybe as the NBA

(31:16):
as a whole. Sam I don't think is going to agree.
As you just said, shop Manard has a little something
to get off his chest. This is going to be fun.
Ring the bell a lot to do here. It's a
daily ticket all things. NBA drafts seventy six ers. On
the other side, Phillies are currently in action. One noth
in Houston. Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Can you hit the baseball please?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Twenty four innings twenty four innings scoreless streak. Now it's insane.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Twenty four ins I saw it was one of yesterday.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It was They're one for nineteen with runners in scoring
position in the two games. I haven't really paid attention
to too much. What irks me the most about all
this is the fact you got the pitching from Ranger,
the outing from Wheeler, and now look at what Christopher
Sanchez is doing right now, and you guys can't give
them run support.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Astros are one of the best teams in baseball, right
they are. They are a good team.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
But still, man, the Phillies come on, Well, maybe this
is a wake up call for Dave Dombrowski, who knows.
We got a lot to discuss stone Quod and we're
daily ticket up there.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
So the Portland Trail Lazers select.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Colin Coward here this is a young man.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Oh yeah, Malik andrews Ouch. We've all made mistakes, some
on bigger stages than others. I will say that Kevin
the Gandhi screwing up the draft lottery was light years
beyond that stumble funny stuff there as Seana, No sorry
turning your mic back on. But yeah, last night, just

(33:05):
a funny air. I bet behind the scenes they probably
joked about like, wow, he's really looks like Colin Coward
and then she said it, well, can you tell me
about that kid?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Well, he's got an interesting story as well.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, he's playing Division III basketball three years ago. He
spent three seasons at pretty low level. He was gonna
be a commit to Duke. They were a guy that
was like signed on and expected but then felt out
the pre draft process. Really high character kid, And the
number one thing that stands out to me is there's
this cool letter floating around from when he was a
recruit and a very underrecruited guy really carving his lane,
and it just kind of a very self aware. The

(33:41):
letter like broke down his family history, how he's got
family members that were Olympians, he comes from the strong
line of athletes. Him as a person, how hard he
wants to compete, and I mean he's six seven with
a seven to two wingspan and pretty like like self aware.
Like he was asked directly by Kevin O'Connor like, why
is it that you were kind of off the radar,
and he was like, to be completely honest, it just
wasn't that good like out as a late bloomer. It

(34:02):
took me a little bit to get to this level.
But a dude that everyone who's talked to seems to
absolutely fall in love with him. So Cedric Coward a
very cool story. The only thing I'm skeptical about is
we've yet to like see him. Look look the part
when sharing the floor with these top level like teams
and players here. But we'll be rooting for him and
a cool story there, all right, good.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Shop select.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Colin Coward here. All right, sorry, Malika, all right, but
let's have some fun with that because we all want
to play program director of ESPN.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Right is that If you.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Told me, hey man, what's your dream job behind the scenes,
not in front of a camera, I would say, run
an ESPN. It's the mothership. There's nothing bigger. You should
have endless amount of money to spend. You should be
able to get anybody you want. And they have chosen
the route to get behind guys with big personalities, huge followings.

(34:52):
But they have made it a little easier than what
I think it should be with their decisions by going
all in with guys like McAfee and even A and
I don't have to go into that further than that.
It's just honest. It's the assessment that we have in
front of us right now, and we're able to judge
with our own eyes. And I know that they're trying
to mix in a little bit more from the player perspective,

(35:13):
getting rid of it around the horn. I just I
throw my hands up in the air because you have
like the endless, endless amount of experts that you can
choose from. Like you can go ahead and take somebody
from podcasting fames, somebody that's making a name from self
a sam Ostri, Shana, pop them up there on a Tuesday,
and next thing you know, they're through the roof right,

(35:35):
Like this is what you are capable of. But instead
they decide to roll out on the main broadcast Kendrick Perkins,
Malika Andrews, who does a great job. I'm not here
to criticize again, We're talking just as with honest here.
There's nothing underneath, like, there's no misogyny, Like let's just
be honest about everything right now.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
It was not a good broadcast last night, and I'm
not the only one that says, okay, thank you, it
was awful. The consensus was it was awful, because it
was awful, all right, So Kendrick Perkins number one gotta go.
Gotta Yeah, there's just no reason for Kendrick Perkins. That's
step one.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
You need an NBA guy though, right, you need an
NBA guy.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I I don't even necessarily think so, to be perfectly honest,
like if you get analysts and guys like the Jonathan Givonis,
so the guys that really do the homework on things,
to me, that provides way more value than a guy
just doing well back when I played and having those conversations.
And I also know the biggest miss of the night
not making Kendrick Perkins pronounce Casparis Jack of Unice there.
That was a huge mess.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well that's the big sound bite from three years ago
when he butchered he butchered Moody to say, yeah, to say,
and that's this Moody that's literally on his greatest Hits album,
you know. And and again I'm not trying to make
myself out to be Bob Costas because I'm not. But again,
this is ESPN, this is the NBA draft, Okay, Like
you gotta be better, and Kendrick Perkins number one gotta

(36:57):
go all right, Malika, this is my critics her. She's
just too stretched out. You got you just said it.
The NBA Finals just finished up. This is the NBA
Draft where college players are front and center, Like, I
need someone that knows these players, these coaches, these names.
And it's not to say that she can't learn it
and she's not studying hard and she's not great. She's

(37:18):
very smooth at what she does, very good looking too,
if we're honest with everything, right, I get it, but
I'm sorry, I need more focus on the college players,
the college game, the ins and outs. There are plenty
of other people, both men and women, that could have
done the job better.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
That's all. Is that a fair criticism? Absolutely, Malika is
a superstar, is brilliant. She's become the face of hosting
NBA t a ESPN deal for yes, is it not?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
This is a ESPN and.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
She's become the host of ESPN's NBA coverage like the
face of all of that, and she does a great
job with it. The problem is that ESPN is making
this a strictly NBA events and the draft, so which
is why they put her out there. But it shouldn't
be and it's putting Malika in a really unfair position
because she's an NBA person. The NBA season finished two

(38:10):
days agraft on Sunday, Like, she just went through an
entire NBA s and she's not watching any college basketball
without the year. We all know that because she's focused
in in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
It's not her job to watch college basketball.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
So now she has to cram in all this prep
while the finals are going on the two days in
between the finals and the draft, and she doesn't know
these people, so it's really unfair to put her in
that situation. And then she has moments where like like
not even the concrad that's just to slip up, like
people just slip up.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
It was very obvious she did not know who a
lot of these prospects were.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
And that's ESPN for putting her in that unfair situation
where she has to cram all that prep. Same thing
with Kendrick Perkins. His job is to discuss the NBA
throughout the year. And I don't love Kendrick perkins analysis
at all. I think he just views a lot of
nonsense and things for clicks, which obviously we know that's
the game, and he plays the game really, well, yep,
but at least we know he's watching the he's watched,

(39:00):
he's legitimately watching NBA games. He's not watching any college
basketball gamestart the year. The NBA season just finished. He's
not doing any prep on these guys. He doesn't know
them at all. So now it's another NBA guy. They
were just putting in a bad position. And Kendrick can
be entertaining no matter what, Charlie, Yeah, exactly. You can
talk about something he doesn't know about while being entertained. Yeah,
he's not. He's not even close to Charles Marks in

(39:22):
the same stratosphere as a personality as Charles Barkley. So
the solution and the fix is you put Reese Davis
up there. Well, hold up, who used to host the
I like Reese does a great job. You're host the Draft,
and he hosts College Game Day throughout the season, so
he's very familiar with college players and prospects.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
You leave j Billis he's been a staple.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
On the You put Bob Myers from ABC, who I
couldn't watch the ABC broadcast because Steven Asmith is another
guy who's never watched a college basketball game in his life,
and so he's speared by these guys saying Jeremiah Fears next,
Kyrie Irving. When did Jeremiah Fears develop a jump shot?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Last time?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
My Jack, He's never watched a single second of a
Jeremiah Fears Oklahoma game.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
So that's where steven A. Stephen A was on six
A on ABC.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I watched the e I watched the ESPN as well,
but stephen A was on ABC with Bob Myers. The
reason why I bring them up is because you bring
Bob Myers over to the main ESPN desk and then, look,
I don't love Jay Williams, but legitimate college and NBA guy,
and I know I could trust him, and he's good
on TV, he's talented, entertaining all that. So you put
Rhys Davis there, you put Jay Williams, J Billis, and

(40:25):
they got Bob Myers. There's obviously a glaring problem with that,
with that desk that ESPN would never let go and
the fans would never let go.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
But that would be my idea.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
That woman woman at the desk understood, and Andrea Carter
is fantastic of what she does.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
She is a college women's basketball look at I pulled
it up right here. It's Google.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Andrea Carter is a prominent figure in ESPN's college basketball covers,
particularly for women's basketball, and well she actually is on
College Game Day for men this year.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
She is was good, good, but and she does a
decent job with that. She's not an NBA. She's not
an NBA person. You need someone who's both.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
You can't be one, or they need someone who's both,
and that's Jay Willie. Carter's fine, but I get it.
It's that's also the whole broadcast. Not to keep criticizing
everyone but the person who was interviewing these people. There's
a lot better people out there in terms of their talent.
Monica mcnought you you, So I'll push back.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'll push back on that because I that is a
tough position. You're not who else is gonna get better
from from you?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Used to the way. But at least Assaulters was was
way better at it. There's a lot of interviewers are
crying yesterday. It was a tough spot for Monica.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
It was a cry.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
And look, mag is really talented. What when she's on ESPN,
get up, she's great. When she's on the Knicks radio broadcast,
she's great that that interviewing role isn't great for and
she's also a turp.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
So I'm gonna, yeah, you're gonna earlier. She's great.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
She's also I don't even know that he's great. But
there's certain roles that people can fill and that's not
my shot.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I'll come to you to put a bow on this.
My only take on that is I don't care who
you put in that role. That's that's a tough spot.
You're not getting anything. But Malik is great at that
interviewing role. Okay, So if you want to put Malika
an interview oh yeah, Taylor Rooks, but she was sitting down.
You know, this is this is your Cooper Flagg. Did
you see that interview? Like? Did you the number one
overall pick? And he didn't give her anything? They come on, man,

(42:17):
that's a tough position. I think Monica held it down
as much as possible. I have less criticism about that
than the four people that are on the desk we
tune in. You guys are the ones that are giving
us information. And I think it's really interesting. If there's
one thing that I could send the ESPN the powers
that be, is exactly what you said, Sean, I don't
know if you need that NBA guy. I think you do,

(42:38):
but I think you're right if you do it the
right way and you get the people that know the
college game and could talk about both and are educated
on both. The NBA, those people do exist. They got
two of them right now on the show with me.
You know you're not the only two out there in
the world. God bless you both to do a great job.
Future is bright for both of you, gentlemen. It won't
shock me if you're on the damn ESPN coverage of
years to come. But bottom line is, come on ESPN.

(42:59):
You're better than and what you were last night. And
that's the thing that really irks the hell out of me,
because you're e s P and the Mothership act like it.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Please.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, the two guys that I think I first started
TOS agree with on the interview point. I think that's
an impossible situation where these guys are crying. These guys
are emotional. I think every player has kind of a
different response for what you can even get out of them,
So it's kind of difficult in that specific in those
specific shoes. The two guys that I think are the
best at breaking down and covering the draft, and it
will not happen with ESPN because they've already left the
building here. But it's Bill Simmons and Ryan Rossillo the

(43:32):
guys that I want to hear. How Yeah, I'm not
as I never was. I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
He's got a great following. He's not afraid. This is
what I talked about earlier. It's a fine line. Bill
Simmons is a little bit too over the top, a
little too emotional. It's not about you, Bill, they're the players.
You gotta you gotta walk that fine line.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
That's what I mean. When everyone's good in the role,
like Bill Simmons is the goat podcaster.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
When he did the draft covers, I didn't like it.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
And he also admits that he doesn't watch any college
basketball throughout the season, and he does like a little
bit of prep a couple of weeks before the draft,
so he doesn't really know.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
I would love this a little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Making fun of him. Ristillo is making fun of him
on the podcast. I listen to them every Sunday when
they do the podcast together. Riscilla was making fun of
him because he was saying he watched highlights of a guy,
and Stilla's like, you don't have synergy, Like how can
you not get synergy to break some of these guys down?
Like you don't even use synergy. You watch highlights of
these guys. And so Simmons Riscilla was making fun of
him for that, which kind of shows you how much
pappery actually does. But Simmons just is like reactionary and

(44:34):
and he's good with as a podcaster. I I didn't
love when he was on the draft cover, even though
he's really entertaining.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
All right, I think that matters him being really entertained.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
So what's your ideal desk Simmons and Ristillo, I mean,
what's your ideal realistic desk?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Simmons, Roscillo, Jay Billis and then somebody playing Pointilla.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
BILLI stays to be honest with you, if I had
my pick, I think I'm trying to get s VP involved.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
He could host could instead of Davis. He could host it.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
He he knows these kids, he watches college troops, he
wagers on it, he knows the NBA.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
He's front and center. I know he needed a week off.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
You could potentially be rolling into a Milik Andrew situation
where dude was just broadcasting live from Oglo.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
City, but he did a show. He did the post
draft show. Okay, yes, he p did the post drafts.
It's great, he's great everything. Again, you know, it's not easy,
but you are espn dude, be better, that's all. I
still think they prioritize the event. I don't think they
care that. And it's an event that the NBA also
clearly doesn't prioritize because it's two days after the NBA
Finals just finished up. So it's just that's what I

(45:37):
mean by I've been saying it forever. The NBA doesn't
prioritize good events. I had Commissioner Silver right here. He
would push back on that, but but but it's he
of course he would, But it's true, Like, how can
you have the draft two days next week?

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Get some distance?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Next week, July weekend agency a few days, just you
have there needs to be some distance those two events.
We just went from the NBA Finals a game seven
and then we have to go the Draft.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
That's not what. That's not what.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
And promoting your events, I say, you push it all
back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Okay, what's what's more of a problem though. Is it
the the draft happening three days after the NBA Finals
are concluded, or is it Kevin Durant being traded on
the day of Game seven?

Speaker 4 (46:19):
All of it's all of it's problematic. All of it's
problematic because now three of the biggest things in the
NBA happened. Kevin Durant trade, the draft, and a Game
seven of the NBA Finals first time in almost a decade.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
All those happened in a three day span.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, if the NBA really wants to promote itself as
good as it possibly can all those different events, you're
making a week out of all of them. And of
course that's not always realistic, but those are massive events
that all happen with a three day span.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
There's not enough time to dissect and discuss all of it.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
All right, Well, let's go ahead and select.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Colin Coward.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
We'll move off of that, all right. I got my
last one. Okay, good stuff across the board.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think that was a good, honest discussion, boys, and
we'll just leave it at that and we'll see if
they if they read the comments, if they if they
are interested in criticism, because there are there.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Was a lot of that out there, yespianism, but the
NBA usually is okay, well good, Yeah, NBA definitely is
all right criticism.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
The New Orleans Pelicans are taking a lot of that
with the trade that they just made for your boy,
Derek Queen, Sam Austrey, I made the mistake.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
I said they had the eighth pick. It was the
seventh pick.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
And that's where I want to start to Sam, because
Sam right now is going to take the side up
for the New Orleans Pelicans who selected Jeremiah Jeremiah Fears
the next Kyrie irving at seven. And my question to you,
Sam is, if they loved Derek Queen so much, why
don't you just select him there at seven and then

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let the rest, you know, fall where it may. Or
do you think it was Fears above all? Do you
agree with that, like Fears should be in front of
Derek Queen? But in a long when did question here
for you too as well?

Speaker 5 (48:04):
What they gave up.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
People are saying that this is one of the worst
drafts in NBA history, NBA draft in the past decade,
so on and so forth. So your take on everything
from the criticism that the Pelicans are taking and at
the end of the day, if they got a great player,
you know what are we saying in five years?

Speaker 5 (48:20):
This is real prisoner of the moment type stuff. And
I'm not the guy to zag he was doing this stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
But everybody and their mother are killing the Pelicans like
they just made some monumentally horrible decision. I mean, the
reaction to this is almost as bad as the Luca trade.
That's how much the Pelicans are getting killed in Joe
Dumour's first draft when he took over running that Pelicans show.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
It's not that bad of a trade, guys, It's just that's.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
That's nice.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
And let me explain to you why, because it's a
fair question. If you were like Derek Queen, why ain't
taking them at seven? Maybe this is giving the Pelicans
too much credit.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
If I'm the.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Pelicans, I know that there's not a lot of interest
in Derek Queen after seven, So I can take Jeremiah
FeAs here. I know if we get into the early teens,
Derek Queen will still be on the board and I
can have a trade up opportunity.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
So really, how you evaluate this trade?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
And look, I'll get I'll let you break it down
of the unprotective pick and all that stuff, and I'll
respond to that, But really, how you evaluate this trade
is what you think of Derek Queen as a prospect,
and you don't like him as a prospect, so you're
gonna think it's an awful trade. Someone like me, who
thinks he can be a top five player in this
draft class, loves him as a prospect, so I understand
the trade. So how you view the trade is how
much you love Derek Queen's a prospect. If you love

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Derek Queen as a prospect, which we know that Pelicans
absolutely do, Troy Weaver is there is a vice president.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
He is a guy who came in from the Wizards.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
There is not an executive in the entire NBA who
spent more time scouting Derek Queen throughout the season, going
to Maryland games and practices, because he was right down
the road with the Wizards front office. So there's not
an executive who knows Derek Queen more than Troy Weaver.
Troy Weaver obviously really Derek Queen. So yes, then you
have an unprotected first round pick next year. But if

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you're looking at from the Pelicans perspective, you just took
two guys off the board in this draft class who
were probably top eight guys on your board. So yeah,
you're sacrificing that first round pick next year, but what
you were just when you get two guys who are
top on the board this year, it's worth it. And yes,
that pick should be good next year to probably be
a lottery picks. I don't think the Pelicans are gonna

(50:26):
make the playoffs, but I also don't think the Pelicans
are gonna be as bad as everyone seems to think.
I think if that pick is around twelve to fourteen,
it's worth it from the Pelicans' perspective because you just
got two guys you consider top eight prospects in this
class while sacrificing next year's pick. So I don't understand
why this is being criticized. There are some things that
are questioned about it, like they didn't put protections on
the pick.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
All that stuff. Probably wasn't the best negotiation by the
Pelicans a.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Big part of it.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
But it's being talked about like this is a generationally
bad trade.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
It's just not. It's not. Okay, all right, let me
break this down. I want to separate this intoo.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
I was gonna see right now, by the way, I can't.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
I can hear you. Hey, it's all the delight.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Two separate conversations here for starters. Take Derek Queen out
of the equation entirely.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Here.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
They had the twenty third pick, they got to the
thirteenth pick. In order to move up ten spots in
the draft, they gave him an unprotected first round pick.
That is just bad business in general. And to keep
in mind where that unprotected first round pick will be.
What is the best case scenario for where the Pelicans
will be next year? What is the ultimate things work
out one hundred percent? Right? Where do they rank in

(51:29):
the Western Conference? Because I still don't think it's a
playoff team, Like absolute best case could be an eight seed.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, but that's not. But going through their mind, they're saying, like,
you know what, man we're gunning?

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Who knows? Is Sky's the less I don't think this
roster is could be a playoff. Like de Jontay Murray's
come back healthy, if Zion's healthy.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
They got Jordan Poole there, you got the feed up
Jordan pool but he is a good town a lot
of guy Jones.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
You've got Trey Murphy.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
When you got these two rookies coming in, it's not
some awful team.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I mean, like, look at the Western Conference and do
they have a chance against the thunder the Rock.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
No.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
No, I'm not saying I'm just saying they're the best
case scenario.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
They could be an a.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But put yourself in their position, Sean. That's my point
is like, hey, you know what, they're not thinking about
missing the playoffs next year. They're thinking about, let's go.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
For it and make the play I think you have
to think about this for what is the value of
this first round pick we just gave away. Where are
we finishing in the standings for where this pick will be?
And I think there's like a pretty high chance that
this is a top ten pick next year. So you
gave up next year a potential top ten pick to
move up ten slots in the draft to get Derek Queen.
Forget the Derek Queen side of things. Objectively, that is

(52:32):
horrible business.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
You can't just say forget the Derek. I'm gott to
push back on that.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
You can't say forget the guys they.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Wanted, they wanted, they We'll bring in the Derek Queen conversation.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
No real quick, real quick though, on real quick before
we bring in the Derek Queen's conversation.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
If you're going, if you're going, say oh yeah, they
moved up ten spots.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
It completely depends how you view the prospect you might
get at twenty three versus the guy who's definitely top
eight on their board like that at thirteen. So it's
not just in spots, it's how big is the gap
that they viewed the prospect of Derek Queen first, potentially
who they could get it twenty three, Like I forget
around that age arrange was like a Will Riley or someone.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
All right, So we'll bring into Derek Queen conversation. How
in the world is it effective basketball for him and
Zion Williamson to be on the court together.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
So Zion's at his best when he's running the point,
with which we're gonna see a lot of next year
because they don't really have.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
We told me about Derek Queen as well. If I
remember correct, I.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Say runs the point. I said it operates as the hub.
I said he can operate as a hub. So the
the big gas hub too.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Vest Missy made made decent strides last year as a rookie,
he was pretty good for the Pelicans honestly as a center.
Pairing him with Derek Queen, I think is a pretty
good four or five combo. And if Zion's running the
point as a downhill thread, I actually think that him
and Derek Queen could could work together in a decent matter. Yeah,
Zion Williams isn't a shooter, but as dribble handoffs in

(53:52):
the pick and roll, I think those guys are are
not like an awful fit. Not saying they're like Tyre
Smacksy Joel and Be type fit, but they're decent fit.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I do want to bring up the fact that Drake
Powell out of North Carolina did go for twenty three yeah,
and real quick.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
So for starters, that's three guys that can't shoot in
the same line up there with all of them, Derek
Queen no sample size from three and under twenty, I
think he shot twenty percent directly there also the hub
of the offense conversation. Me and Sam hatched this out
on our one of our one on one shows here,
but Sean Brace so Sam and the biggest Derek Queen
supporters continue to paint this case that this dude can

(54:30):
be a hub of an offense in the half court. Yeah,
the facts are the facts here. He averaged one point
nine assists per game at the college level. He had
a negative assist to turnover ratio. He never had more
than five assists in a game. At nineteen of his
thirty six games he had one assist or fewer. That
is not a guy that is a hub of the offense.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
That's just not Yeah, that sounds like that's saying as
as I explained, the Bernard is that hub of the offense.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
And what you're looking at from the college perspective, passing
instincts matter, Like that's what I want to look at,
and it translates and the results so many times where
Derek Queen made dimes, whether it's to Julian Reese oprings,
the five ars or shooters and those guys couldn't make plays.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
It's the instincts that you want to see.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
That's what you look at when you're gonna be like, oh,
how will this guy translates a passer And when I
say it operates the hub of the offense, like he's
not gonna be doing that immediately. For the Pelicans, that's
something you can develop into when he grows as a passer,
as a bowl handler, as all these as a screener,
as in all these areas. I don't He's not day
one going to be operating as a hub. But that's
his potential. He has those capabilities. Like this is a

(55:30):
guy who is is a tremendous footwork, tremendous touch around
the rim, can put the ball on the floor, can
drive to the rim. He is great passing instincts. As
I said, good free throw shooter, could potentially develop a
three point shot. You don't pass on big men around
six nine six', ten big men who are that skilled
like you just. DON'T i think this guy ceiling is so,

(55:53):
high which WHY i don't think The pelican's trade is that.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Absurd, well that's where it definitely starts and ends with,
you no doubt about. IT i would also say a
big man ending up In New, orleans.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
That's you know he's got by the end of the.
Year Derek, queen.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
It's a fair.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Question the memes are are pretty bab way as much
as Zion whether said it's a.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Problem but let me ask you showed up overweight to the. Combine, Derek, yes.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
That's Another, OKAY i don't think he's, overweight but he
does have conditioning. Concerns that's not an overweight. Thing that's
just He he has conditioning concerns and there are concerns
about his motor and all that. Stuff WHAT i What
i'll ask you is that If Derek queen Is Derek
queen ends up being, dude you need to be like
working with his front.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Man yeah you.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Are we gotta cut and send this. Man this is
good stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Here, sure If Derek queen ends up being the Player
i'm projecting him to, be let's play my fantasy world
for for a. Second all, right then is this still
a bad? Trade if That pelican let's say, That i'll
give you the benefit out That pelicans.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Pick us ten next.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Year But Derek queen ends up being uh maybe never
An all, star but but like an oupur And singoon
type who's a bore line all still every year in
a really, good impactful player one of the best teams
on one of the best teams in The. West is
What alprinsonngoon was last. Year so If Derek queen actually
ends up being, that is this still a bad?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Trade if he reaches the high, levels you can talk
yourself into. IT i still don't see a world where
that's a player that Maximizes Zion williamson or they're compatible. Players, like,
honestly just straight, up IF i was ranking teams one
through thirty for what is the worst location For Derek,
queen he's probably in that bottom five For New orleans
being that spot. Here, LIKE i don't see how him
And zion can coexist. Whatsoever so is this a decision

(57:33):
that you're moving forward From zionlliamson is to say you're
taking the next step in? That to, me it hints
more than more towards that side of things than, anything
because LIKE.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
I don't see it With, Zion, WELL i see it
the complete opposite way because they just gave up their
unprotected first round pick next. Year so that's saying we
can't get rid Of zion because we're not entering tank.
Mode we're we're going all in a way with this,
team and we're gonna build Around zion because if they trade,
him then you're signaling a tank mode and then you
don't have a first round pick next, year you, Know
so that would that would really be mismanagement if they

(58:05):
go that the.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Rest this has not don't kill me for this comparison
or even bringing up this. Analogy the only THING i
would say is this has the vibe of to me
of when The giants Drafted. Saquon everybody was so against.
It it was the worst. Move everquon's a hell of a.
Player they got, WELL i, mean bunning backs aren't as

(58:27):
valuable as.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Big in the in the long.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Run my big point, is, Though, sean it's it's if
the player turns into what you think that player could potentially,
be which She quon, did regardless of what that team's success.
Was bs it's the right pick if you get a
player that turns into a stud who.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Cares, now on the flip.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Side of, that if there's one league that we know
that these assets actually amount to, something these second round,
picks these you, Know Sam hanky did teach us. That
one thing he did teach us is you got to
stack stock by all of those. Assets look What Oklahoma
city is doing right. Now that's WHERE i would push
back on you and, say, man that's that's a tall
and that's a big ask what they gave.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Up and by the, Way pelicans incredibly sensitive about this
That So shams went on The pat McAfee show today
and he was asked about this, trade And sham's quote,
is how can you judge? That what if he ends
up being A hall Of, famer what if he ends
up being a Perennial All. Star there's no, one there's
no one going to be talking about this in three.
Years to, me it's too early to judge if they want,
lost which is basically. Yeah the Main pelicans team account

(59:33):
quote tweets that and says this rationale won't get you
a Ringer Pod, SHAMS i Dig. GETELICANS i think that's.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
GOOD i think it's. Good nice work by the, uh
that's pretty. Funny it Is bill And ryan leaving the.
Tours so this is the dumbest trade in.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
History it's your it's your guy that you want to
run THE nba draft Both.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
BUT i completely disagree with him on.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
This, again it's all about how you Viewed Derek queen
as a, Prospect, Okay BUT i just need everyone to
understand it from The pelicans. Perspective Troy, weaver the guy
who's making the decisions over, there probably more so Than Joe,
dumares Loves Derek. Queen he Wanted Derek. Queen they See
Derek queen as a Potential All star in the. League
did draft him at Se? Okay, well, no because they
knew that he wasn't going to be. Available then we'd
have a trade up. Opportunity so why not get? Two

(01:00:14):
AND i don't Like jerreman Fears jeremiah fears at, all
so that THAT i didn't like that, Pick but why
not get two potential first, round two potential top ten
picks in their minds if you. Can't so that's ALL
i want people to understand from The pelicans' perspective is
that they, see you can justify this trade if you
see if you See Derek queen as an under sure all,
star which they, do and if he becomes, that then

(01:00:34):
people won't be, like, oh they gave up a second,
round they gave up an unprotective first next. Year oh
but the guy who they actually went up to get
and it was a hefty price for him became An All.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Star so it's not that crazy of. Trade and that's
how The pelicans.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Projected if you Think Derek queen is not going to be,
good which you obviously that's your thought process, showing then
then you can understand why it's a dumb, trade and
a lot of people would say it's dumb, trade but
The pelicans don't see it that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Way so their JUSTIFICATION i actually.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Makes AND i can understand where they're coming. From that's
my only.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Point why take him at seven when you can trade
next year's first round to get?

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Him you, know that's the only thing that really hits.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Me if you love this guy and you think he's
going to turn into What sam just, said draft him at,
seven AND, i HONESTLY i thought he was going to go,
higher even though it did steam up to eleven and
a half On Drafting. Sportsbook congratulations any when it took,
over including this Cat giles who cashed in in a
big way last. Night there were a couple of plays
that he was able to fire. On, Yeah Derek, queen

(01:01:31):
he took him to go thirteenth, overall which wasn't a.
Reach he was over owner eleven and a, half so
it's like twelve thirteen if you want to sprinkle a
little on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Both no one would have had an issue with. It
but the problem was The hawks would have never taken.
Them they just what it didn't need a guy like Thirteen. Queen,
yeah so plus thirty three hundred that paid. Out ye,
INTERESTING i told you yesterday was going to The.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Pelicans but then he sprinkled a little bit on the
fact that he could possibly see a trade, there so He,
yeah so he definitely doesn't want to give him a
lot of. Credit, man he cashed in a couple of.
Them he also had one guy that we didn't talk, about,
Man Walter. CLAYTON i was killing myself that we didn't
talk about him. Yesterday shame on. Me obviously had a
huge rum Of florida and that was a huge talking

(01:02:12):
point for for a lot Of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
March where's he gonna end?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Up and then he.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Went one of his top plays was top twenty, bet
which ended up paying out a pretty significant. Number oh
plus seven hundred to be a top twenty. Pick, Wow
so he cashed that And Derek queen a plus thirty
three hundred and. THIRTY a profitable night for. Him hell
yeah it. Is, Hey Gum, shapiro if you're, listening if you're,
watching Please, pennsylvania we want to wager on THE Nba.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Draft, well you guys should have told him On. Sunday,
well he was kind of. Busy that's all, Right Sean.
Bernard you're more than welcome to stick around if you.
Want we're gonna we're gonna go take a quick time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Out we're late for a.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Break it's up to sounds like we're gonna finish this On,
monday BECAUSE i don't THINK i don't Think bernard is
done with.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Me so it sounds like we're gonna finish this On.
MONDAY i don't know nothing else to talk. About so
on the other, side we're gonna bring.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It back To.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Philadelphia we're gonna talk About embeied being ready right around training. Camp,
oh here we.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Go it's the daily. Ticket Sam, Austrey Sham.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
BERNARD i Am sean brace morph for this