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April 14, 2026 18 mins

In this episode, we’re going deeper into the idea of life’s “gates” and what it really means to move through a time of destabilization. Using postpartum as a tangible example, we explore how moments that feel chaotic or uncomfortable are actually intentional opportunities for transformation and healing. From migraines to mood patterns, we look at what’s possible when you learn to lean into discomfort instead of resisting it.

In This Episode:

  • Why destabilization is a necessary part of transformation, not something to avoid
  • How postpartum serves as a powerful (and often overlooked) window for healing
  • Real examples of physical and emotional patterns that can shift during these transitions
  • What it actually looks like to “lean in” to discomfort with intention
  • How these same principles apply to puberty, perimenopause, and other life thresholds

Learning to be uncomfortable isn’t easy, but it’s one of the most powerful skills we can develop. When we stop resisting these transitional seasons and instead meet them with intention, we create the conditions for real, lasting change.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to another episode of The Tao of
Humaning.
I'm your host, Dr.
Christine, and I'm so thrilledthat you've decided to join me
for today's conversation.
Today's conversation, we'regoing to be actually diving a
little bit more deeply into thetopic that I spoke about last
week because a lot of youreached out and you were like,

(00:21):
wait, what?
Which is great.
I love that.
Please do more messaging andcommenting and things.
It's really a lot of fun for meto share, you know, all of these
things that are part of myworld.
And uh I love seeing that it'sinteresting to you.
So last week we talked aboutpuberty and perimenopause and

(00:42):
this idea that they actuallyhave a lot more in common than
simply being these times of bighormonal shifts and emotional
kind of chaos or whatever.
Um, and that they are intraditional Chinese medicine
seen as these gates.
And in those gates, there's alot of potential for healing.

(01:04):
And that's where a lot of youwere like, tell me more about
this.
And I think it's really worth aa bigger conversation because it
is one of my favorite thingsabout the medicine that I
practice and the changes and thehealing that I've seen in the
clinic.

(01:24):
So I was thinking actually thatpregnancy and postpartum might
be a really tangible experiencefor a lot of you.
A lot of you are moms who arelistening or have friends who
have gone through, you know,postpartum, and it's a very

(01:46):
destabilizing time in a woman'slife, in the sense that, you
know, in all the senses, right?
If you've gone through that,it's like time doesn't really
make sense, like your body istotally different, like your
moods are really different, yourthings that you think about are
different.
Everything is different, right?

(02:07):
It's destabilized, is what wesay, in that idea of everything
is kind of shaken and umscattered to a certain degree.
And that's intentional becauseit's a moment in our lives that

(02:28):
we need to transform, right?
There is no, oh, maybe thisperson's gonna become a mom.
It's like, oh no, this ishappening, right?
Ready or not, here comes the momidentity, right?
And we need to be able to be inthat time of chaos in order to

(02:48):
allow for things to resettle ina new way.
And this is exactly the sameopportunity that shows up in
puberty and perimenopause, orwhen someone, you know, leaves
their childhood home and goesout on their own, or if they're

(03:09):
starting a new relationship orlosing a real, there's so many
moments in life where there arethese destabilizations.
And when we can see them as anopportunity, they become really
powerful because it gives usthis moment to be like, whoa,
wait, okay, this is a time whenI can actually pause and focus

(03:36):
in on the work that I want toput in, right?
Because it does take effort.
That's the kicker.
In order to make the most out ofthese moments, these gates of
life, it takes dedicated effort.
It takes choice, it takesleaning into being
uncomfortable, honestly.

(03:57):
And, you know, a lot of times mystudents and my patients are
like look at me a little funnybecause when they come in and
they're sharing about, you know,these big moments that are going
on for them, sometimes I will belike, yes, like this is so
great.
And they're like, but it doesn'tfeel great.
And I'm like, I know, but it'sokay.

(04:18):
Because it can feel reallyamazing on the other side of it.
And I think that we don't talkabout that enough.
Like learning how to becomfortable, being uncomfortable
is an incredible life skill.
And it's one that I wish thateveryone could learn how to do

(04:39):
with more grace and ease.
Myself included, I'm stillworking on this.
I go through big changes andtransformations, and sometimes,
you know, I've done, I've hadthis mindset or this worldview
for a lot of years, and I s Iwill consciously lean in.
And it doesn't mean that I'mlike, yay, the whole time that

(04:59):
I'm going through something, andI do recognize that there is
value in allowing myself to beuncomfortable.
Does that make sense?
So many times we get theseopportunities presented to us,
and our our our first instinctis to be like, oh my god, I

(05:23):
don't like it.

unknown (05:24):
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Make it stop.
And uh there's a way that we'rewe're cheating ourselves when we
go towards too much towardscomfort and too much towards
ease, right?
It's like I want everyone tofeel more grace and ease.
I say that a lot.
And I do think there is moregrace and ease available even in

(05:48):
these transitions ortransformations, um, these
destabilization times, right?
And it doesn't mean that it'sgonna be comfortable all of the
time.
I find for myself, even afteryears of doing this, I can lean
in like a champ and I can beuncomfortable and I can know

(06:09):
that it I'm gonna come out theother side because I've been
through these things before andI've leaned in before and I've
seen the growth that's possible,and it's awesome for lack of a
better word.
Um, and you know, there arestill times when I wish that it
could be more comfortable or Iwant it to be a different way.

(06:29):
Anyway, I digress a little bit.
But using this imagery ofpostpartum, and what I've seen
in clinic and in my students isthat when you can allow yourself
to be uncomfortable, postpartumis such a great example because
it is somewhat forced.
There are people who have reallyremarkably lovely postpartum

(06:52):
times, and even within that,there's still a destabilization
that's happening and anopportunity to transform
different patterns of our healthand our mental states and their
ways of looking at the world inthat time, so that when things
kind of settle and come back tobe more stable, which they will,

(07:15):
we have actually created realand lasting change in the body.
So, an example, okay.
A woman, um, a couple of womenactually in my clinical practice
have had a history of migrainesand they become pregnant and
they, you know, have hormonalmigraines and all these things

(07:36):
going on, and we're working tomake that less and make that
more manageable for them.
And during that postpartum time,there is this window that shows
up.
And if you can be uncomfortableand if you can lean into slowing
down, being really intentional,making sure that you are well

(08:01):
nourished with warm andnutrient-dense foods, making
sure that you're communicatingthe things that you feel in your
heart and that need to becommunicated, making sure that
you are prioritizing how yourest, you know, all of the
things, right?
We all know the things.
When you can take time and dothat and put in that effort, I

(08:23):
have seen women come out theother side and no longer have
migraines as part of theirstory.
It's amazing.
And this this is something thatthey've struggled with for
years.
I feel like often, I don't feellike I see oftentimes in our
culture we talk about pregnancyand postpartum and all of the

(08:44):
things that can go sideways andwrong.
And I think it really thatopportunity in our lives really
deserves a differentconversation because there's
also a lot of things that canreally go right.
And women can have incrediblehealings that happen in that

(09:06):
time of destabilization.
Okay.
And I've seen it with digestiveissues, I've seen it with
headaches, I've seen it withinsomnia, I've seen it with
patterns of anxiety anddepression, I've seen it, I'm
trying to think here, what elseI've seen, really transform in a
postpartum time for positive.

(09:27):
Because oftentimes we hear aboutall of the things that are, you
know, change in a not so goodway.
But there's a lot of things thatreally go well.
Women's cycles, I guess that'sprobably the biggest one.
And a lot of women who have hadpainful cycles going into a
pregnancy in their postpartumtime when they take good care of

(09:50):
themselves and they practiceleaning in and, you know, the
forced destabilization, so tospeak.
Um, when they lean into that,their periods come back and
they're not painful anymore.
Or they don't have crazy PMS,right?
Or depression around theircycle, or all of a sudden

(10:12):
ovulation comes back and it'snot excruciatingly painful for
them.
Those are real tangible thingsthat are so normal in my world
that I feel I was excitedactually to have this
conversation because it's it'simportant to have reminders in

(10:33):
our lives about what can goreally well.
And that's you know, and thatdoesn't mean the women that I've
seen these kinds oftransformations in, it doesn't
mean that their postpart theirpregnancy was easy or their
postpartum was easy, maybe.
And I often find it's less aboutthe ease and more about actually

(10:56):
taking the time and intention tobe conscious about how they're
cared for and communicatingtheir needs and you know, all of
these things that are soimportant as moms, right?
So if we're looking atpostpartum as one of those times

(11:16):
of destabilization, right?
It's more tangible than when Iintroduced the idea of puberty
and perimenopause.
Those are also moments in ourlike times in our lives where we
are going through adestabilization.
It's less um, it's a it's alonger window of time, usually,

(11:40):
right?
It's several years, whereas apregnancy and postpartum time,
it's a year-ish, maybe a littlebit longer.
Um, but this these puberty andperimenopause ones are usually
several years in the making,right?
So it's I think that's why Iwanted to highlight them first

(12:01):
because I'm like, hey, look overhere.
This is a really amazingopportunity to be, you know,
creating the life that you know,right now I'm 48 and I'm looking
at like, okay, I want to be ableto be really mobile and active
and traveling in my 70s, right?
I want to be able to go with ourson and like travel and do cool

(12:24):
things.
And that's my inspiration,right?
And when I look at young peoplegoing through puberty, they're
also creating their future youngadult identity, right?
Like, who do they want to bewhen they come out the other
side?
And sometimes, you know, youcan't necessarily sit down and

(12:45):
have these kinds ofconversations with them.
Sometimes you can.
You have to kind of find theright window to do it so that
they don't like totally zone outon you.
But having these and havingthese views of what's possible,
and as the moms, we can holdthat for our children and be

(13:07):
that kind of guiding force,force isn't right, guiding
light, guiding presence in theirlives, right?
So that when they feel reallydestabilized and they feel the
chaos of what they're goingthrough, because it is chaotic,
right?
They're not like wrong infeeling that.
When they feel that, we can comein and remind, and we can come

(13:31):
in and say, okay, yes.
Let's focus on, you know, let'sreorient our aim.
Let's look to where we want tobe going and what's something
that we could do in this momentin time, and we can make a
dedicated action, a deliberatededicated action, is what we

(13:51):
call that.
And that's work, right?
And we're teaching them how toput in the work and how to put
in the effort and how to lean inwhen things get hard.
And that is an incredible giftto our kiddos, right?
Like, I feel like that's one ofthe top things that I want for
my son is to be for him to beable to lean in when things get

(14:12):
challenging in his life, right?
I mean, God willing, I'm able tobe there in my 70s and like hang
out with him, whatever his lifeis doing.
And maybe that's not in thecards, right?
So, like, what is that legacypiece that we want to leave?
And when we have a mom goingthrough perimenopause, right,

(14:33):
going through this own fire oftransformation, which we're
going to talk about in the nextepisode, um, when we have that
happening, and we are part ofthat transformation is becoming
a space holder.
And it's a different kind ofspace holding than a mom does in

(14:53):
her younger years.
Um, but when we can have thattransition and that space
holding for the kiddos that aregoing through puberty and have
that kind of guiding presence intheir lives, I mean, I don't, I
just think that's the mostmiraculous way of looking at all

(15:14):
these things.
It just makes so much sense.
I was thinking last nightactually about all of you know
the work that I have beenblessed to be able to do and to
see in my life.
And such a big part of it isreally in how we look at things.

(15:34):
Like how are we interpretingwhat's showing up, right?
Because it's really easy in atime that's destabilizing to be
just upset all the time.
Just be like I feel this, I blahblah, right?
It takes effort and work to beable to come back to center,

(15:57):
right?
To remind ourselves when thingsget chaotic that there is
something bigger going on,right?
And I actually think postpartumis another time of that.
Like puberty is this incrediblechange in brain physiologically,
right?
And that plays out emotionallyand in our worldviews, right?

(16:20):
And then we also do that inperimenopause for sure.
There is a restructuring of thebrain, and I think that's part
of why brain fog happens.
So as I'm talking on a podcast,right, I'm also in perimenopause
and I am losing words at timesand you know, having those like,

(16:44):
is that dementia?
No, it's not dementia, it's justhormones, right?
But it's not just hormones, it'sactually my brain restructuring
into a new configuration that Ihave not experienced yet, right?
It feels a little weird, andsometimes it can be frustrating
to have that, like, oh, like,but I know that word, right?

(17:06):
It's just not coming.
Um anyway, I digress.
But it is funny to me to bedoing a podcast where I'm doing
a lot of talking and there's alot of words.
I'm also in perimetopause, andsometimes the words are just not
there.
So, you know, welcome.
If you are also feeling this,please leave a comment.

(17:29):
Um anyway, I wanted to sharesome more about that because
these opportunities are tangibleand real, and being able to
remind ourselves and hopefullyhave a community around us that
can also remind us of like, oh,this is bigger than oh, just my

(17:51):
mood is off today, right?
Like, this is a bigger stretchof things, and especially for
the puberty and theperimenopause, right?
Those are long years oftransformation to be able to
emerge on the other side assomething or someone as a new
identity.
Anyway, I wish for all of us tolean in when things are dis

(18:17):
destabilized and trust thatthere is some really amazing
things at work.
And if this is interesting toyou, I would love if you would
comment below, send me amessage.
I see them all.
I love them.
And if you would subscribe andfollow along, that would mean
the absolute world to me.

(18:37):
Thank you so much.
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