284 - Your Ex Pressed Send; Your Brain Pressed Panic—Now What? - The Divorced Dadvocate: Divorce Support For Dads

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SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Hello and welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for being heretoday and for listening in to
somebody that uh has been aguest multiple times on the
show.
It's been a couple of years, butI'm truly, truly excited to be
talking to him again and talkingabout his new book.
But before I uh jump in andintroduce him, I just want to

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remind you to visit thedivorcedadvocate.com website.
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All right, my guest today, JoeyKlein, who you have heard
before, is the author of his newbook, Relationship Alchemy, and

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he's also the visionary behindthe inner matrix systems.
While many view relationships assomething that, quote unquote,
just happens to us to them, Joeyapproaches connection as a
trainable skill set.
By combining his background inneuroscience-based mental
training with practicalemotional intelligence, Joey

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helps people deconstruct thehidden patterns that sabotage
their relationships.
His work moves beyond standardcommunication tips, focusing
instead on inner training.
The process of rewiring theemotional loops and nervous
system reactions that dictatehow we connect with others.

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Through his books and seminars,Joey provides a blueprint for
anyone looking to transformconflict into collaboration and
build relationships that are notonly enduring but deeply
fulfilling.
Joey, welcome back to the show.

SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
Hey, thanks so much for having me.
It's fun to be here again.

SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
Yeah, it's uh it's been a while.
It's probably been a couple ofyears, and we had a couple of uh
great uh recordings before.
One just you and I, one whichwas just an amazing, an amazing
episode with one of my coachingclients that that you worked
with and saw some immediateresults.
I just want to encourageeverybody, you know, listen to

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this.
Don't turn this one off.
Listen to what Joey's got to saytoday, but go back and find
those as those two episodes andlisten to them.
Absolutely uh amazing stuff.
And and on that note, Joey, soyou know, we've talked about
intermatrix systems before.
You wrote the book, IntermatrixSystems.
You've got the new book,Relationship Alchemy.

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I've read both of them, both arevery, very awesome.
I know that that first book, youtalk a lot about how it took you
a very long time to write thatbecause you wanted it to be
really, really good and really,really helpful to somebody,
which it it it absolutely is.
What then prompted you now towrite another book after it took

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you so long and was such a laborof love with that first one?
What prompted you to get intothe to relationship alchemy and
write that?

SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
Yeah, so I jump jumped into relationship alchemy
because I've been I've beentraining people now for over 22
years.
We've had a little over 90,000people go through our programs
and trainings at this point intime.
And so, and I'm in the trencheswith folks.
Like I still train peopleone-on-one today, mostly because
I love it.
You know, I just love the art oftransformation.
I love supporting people tocreate the outcomes that they

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want to create, like become theversion of themselves they want
to become and create the lifethey want to create.
And it was interesting becausesomething like 70% of people
that were engaging with mycompany, engaging with my
organization, looking fortraining, it was like, man, they
were looking for relationshiphelp.
And over the years, as I'velooked at like what does life
mastery look like, it'sinteresting because like there's
been a framework that's that'semerged.

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And it's like step one is reallydialing in your inner inner
mechanics, like statemanagement.
We all wake up to something.
So if we wake up to anxiety andanger and overwhelm, like that's
a particular day.
If we're waking up to joy andfreedom and compassion, like
that's a very different day,right?
If we're we're inspiredthroughout our day.
So it's like first, it's aboutmanaging state, like training

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state.
Second, it's about health andvitality, because if we're if
we're ill, as as the sayinggoes, like if you're really ill,
like nothing else matters butyour health all of a sudden,
right?
You know, and so it's likedialing in health vitality is
number two.
And then number three, in termsof fulfillment, was all about
relationships.
And so it was like, oh, this isprobably the first, you know,
lifestyle series that makessense to really do a deep dive

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in because we help people ineach area of life.
And then from there it's financeand then obviously, you know,
career and contribution.
And so for over 20 years, we'vebeen supporting people in
relationship.
And so that's really howrelationship alchemy came to be.
It's been, you know, two decadesof working one-on-one with
people, supporting people tocreate the relationships that
they want, not just romantic,um, although that tends to be a

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primary focus for people, butalso friendships and business
relationships, etc.

SPEAKER_02 (06:58):
Yeah.
So so that so then you'retelling me there's a couple more
books in the works, huh?
Is that what you're saying?
With the with the financial likefinancial bit there.
Oh, that's okay.
So are you saying that theremight be a couple more books in
the works here with thefinancial and the and the uh
professional, et cetera?

SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
Yeah, I think we got we got probably two more down
the pipe, the frameworks aroundbuilding finances and like you
know, financial freedom throughinvestment income.
And then the second one will beyou know health and vitality.
What are the core core elementsaround that?
But relationship was like weactually had our community vote,
and we're like, hey, which onedo you want to come out first?
Do you want to do relationship?
Do you want us to do bodyhealth, or do you want us to
really formalize our curriculumon money?

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And they were like, it was handsdown, it was relationship, like
it won by a landslide.
So I was like, great, that'swhat we're gonna do first.

SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
Every time, well, when I wasreading Intermatrix, and I still
use your systems that that Ryanhas trained me on as as well.
I always thought, yeah, thiswould be like perfect segue into
relationships and how to buildbetter relationships.
So I think that's perfect.
And on that note, so you talkabout like the nervous system

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hijacked, right?
Many of our listeners, many ofthe dads are right in the middle
of high conflict divorces.
And you talk about the how likelike you said, your day starts
off and stress can hijack yournervous system and just
completely throw off your day.
Can you explain what isphysically happening to a dad's

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brain when he when he doessomething like opens a hostile
email from his ex-wife?
Or and and then also moreimportantly, talk about how he
can reset that reaction in realtime so he doesn't say fire back
a response that he's gonnaregret.

SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
So, you know, the what a lot of people don't
understand is our core nervoussystem is actually not hardwired
for us to thrive in life, right?
It doesn't actually care if wemake more money or have peace
and tranquility in our life oryou know, wonderful
relationships.
Like it's really a threat-basedsystem.
And so all your nervous systemcares about, and and this is

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everybody, like this is justthousands of years of the
nervous system coming to be theway it is today, is it does two
primary things.
It's like, let me find a threat,and then how do I avoid that
threat?
Like, and it's basically in thatbase programming all the time.
And so what happens is it's likeyou open up that email, like you
were talking about earlier, andwe see the email from you know,

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the the ex or you know, whoeverwe're separating from, whatever
it is.
And what we don't realize is,you know, immediately our
nervous system, our unconsciousself, looks at that and
identifies it as a threat.
And then for most people, wherethe where they go is their their
attention or their focus goes onto the past, the things that
have happened, the things thatthey're unhappy with, the
current challenges or strugglesthat are going on.

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And then the mind starts lookingfor a way to eliminate that
threat.
Now, the problem with this is weget hijacked, right?
We get our fight or flightsystems turned on.
And so now our entire focus ison the bad thing that's
happening, the bad things thathave occurred in the past, and
then that naturally has the mindstart to extrapolate the bad
things that will most likelyoccur in the future.

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And then the brain goes into themode of called eliminate the
threat.
And so the challenge here,though, is it's trying to
eliminate two things.
Number one, a threat that hasn'toccurred yet, because we start
extrapolating into the future,like, oh my God, the money I'm
gonna lose, and I'm not gonnaget to see my kids, and I'm
gonna be alone, and you know, Ididn't, I don't deserve this,
and so on and so forth.
And so we're focusing onsomething that hasn't even

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occurred yet.
It's in the future.
We're usually anticipatingsomething bad occurring.
And so we can't actually solvefor that.
And so then what the mind doesis it focuses on the challenges
that are currently going on, andit's usually focused on some
element of circumstance that wecan't control.
And so the way we mitigate thisis very counterintuitive.
Step one, we actually need to donothing but acknowledge the

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emotional state that we're inand that our nervous system is
essentially hijacked, that we'rein a fight or flight response as
opposed to a parasympatheticresponse, right?
We're inside of an overactivesympathetic response as opposed
to parasympathetic response.
And when we're in fight orflight, we lose cognition.
Like our prefrontal cortex justbehind our brain, you know, it
completely shuts down.

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We have no access to criticalthinking, creative thinking, and
intuition, which are all key forbeing able to problem solve and
produce the best outcomepossible, especially if you're
going through a separation.
And so first step is going, man,in this moment I'm angry, I'm
resentful, I feel anxious, Ifeel upset.
Like literally acknowledge theemotion and the energy that's
present.
Step two, acknowledge, like,hey, my nervous system's

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hijacked.
I'm in a fight or flightresponse right now.
And my only job is to centermyself, not tend the situation,
not write the email back, notthink about a response, not
extrapolate in the future, butliterally turn the nervous
system down.
So, like in the inner matrix, Igo deep into the four-sided
breath and the mechanics ofthat.
Box breathing, if people know oflike the yogic breath of box

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breathing, can also work whereyou just focus on your breath.
You just take that nice, subtle,slow, deep breath in through the
nose, slight pause hold at thetop, exhale out the nose, slight
pause, hold at the bottom, andyou repeat that cycle of
breathing until you feel yournervous system relax, you feel
the body relax, and you feelyourself back in center.
Then from there, you want tocreate an anchor in the future.

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And what the anchor needs to beis the future reality you want
to create, both inside of theexperience you want to feel.
I want to know joy, I want toknow inspiration, I want to know
love, and also the results youwant to get, the amount of money
you want to make, the time youwant to spend with your kids,
the connection you want tofoster, and then work toward the
outcome that you want to fulfilland create.

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Because if we're outcome focusedin a very clear and specific
way, then we're not gonna gethijacked inside that fight or
flight response.
And so, like that's that theinitial step is to not tend the
situation, which iscounterintuitive because we have
this impulse to solve forsomething.
But the thing is, if we don'tfirst align ourselves, we're not
in the right state of mind orpresence to solve for anything.

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And then usually this is where afight and argument and so on and
so forth is going to ensue.

SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Right.
Okay, that makes sense.
And so it's kind of uh you youtalk about it between calming
the mind and training the mind,right?
The first step is calming themind and just getting yourself
into a state, and then thesecond part is being able to
take that to the next level,which is training the mind then
to be able to deal with whateverit is you're dealing with,

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correct?

SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
Yeah, and I would add one element, I would say
it's calming your nervoussystem, it's centering your
emotions so that you can regainaccess to the mind, which has
been hijacked by the emotionthat we're feeling.
And so it's like, you know, as Ialways say, train align and
rewire, like calm the emotion,train the emotion, rewire the
brain, and then condition thenervous system to function from

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a love-based state as opposed toa fear-based state.
So a lot of people they try to,you know, calm the mind with the
mind, but you actually have tocalm the mind by centering,
calming, and stilling youremotions, which is where the
breath comes in.

SPEAKER_02 (14:18):
Got it.
And that's where then we starttalking about the breath.
Like the breath is a is a tool.
That's an a training tool thatyou're utilizing in order to
take that to the next level.
So and and what I'm getting atis I want to I want to talk.
So I'm I'm we're trying to tryto set this up a little bit so
that we can get into therelationship alchemy and then

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how guys can start to utilizesome of this stuff.
Again, guys that that arelistening, go back.
We talk about the intermaturesystem and some of this stuff in
really more detail.
Actually, even better, go tointermature systems.com and get
into Joey's systems and get inimmersed in this because there's
not a better system that you'regoing to be able to get involved

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with and learn for regulatingthat your nervous system,
dealing with your emotions uh asyou go through this.
And it's an important, importanttool.
But what I want to do, and thepoint I was I was making, Joey,
is then why is it important thenfor uh for for the dads then to
not only just do something maybelike trying to get into a zen
moment or calm the mind, butactually start to train your

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nervous system.

SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
So if we don't train the nervous system, what we're
essentially gonna do is we'regonna operate on autopilot.
And when we're operating onautopilot, the what I call the
ghost in the machine is gonnatake over.
And so we all have what I callour inner matrix, which is our
you know pre-programmed emotionsand thoughts and nervous system
impacts that have gotten wiredthroughout our life.

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And so what happens is an eventhappens.
Like let's say we're goingthrough a divorce, you get that
email that you talked about,that's like a trigger event.
Well, what it's triggering,triggering or activating isn't
current emotions.
And this is where people, youknow, make a mistake is they
think that, like, oh, I feelemotional because I'm going
through this circumstance orbecause I got this email or my
significant other did this thingto me.
But the reality is the eventthat's occurring in the moment

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has activated a pattern dynamicin our unconscious self.
I call it the ghost in themachine, a pattern dynamic in
our inner matrix.
And that emotion that we'refeeling is actually a past
emotion, meaning theconditioning of the
circumstances from our past iswhere we learned that emotion.
It's where that emotion got gotanchored and sort of like
trained, ingrained within ournervous system.

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And so an event happens, we feelangry.
The mistake is people go, oh, Ifeel angry because this and
that's happening.
It'd be more accurate to saythis is happening and it's
activated the pattern that'sbeen dormant in me called anger,
and it's been there for decades.
And now it is active and it isawake and it is driving my
behavior.

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And so if we try in that momentto tend the situation while we
feel angry or resentful or sadas an example, we're relying on
our past intelligence, which iswhere all emotions were trained
and conditioned in the past, tomanage our present circumstance.
And so if we do that and weallow that to continue
happening, we're gonna recreatepast events again and again and
again, and we're going to missout on the future that we could

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design and create for ourselves.
We're not gonna be able tocreate new circumstances if we
rely on old information based onold pattern dynamics from those
emotions that got anchored inthe past.
And so when we learn to trainthe nervous system, we're
retraining those old patterndynamics.
So it's like instead of beingpast focused, we get future
focused.
What's the vision of therelationship I want to have in

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the future?
In two, three years from now,after I'm through my divorce as
an example, what's therelationship I want to have?
Or if I'm in a relationshipthat's a little bit challenging,
well, if I were to design therelationship I aspire to and I
get future focused on therelationship that's possible for
me, there's a 90% chance thatyou could actually start showing
up differently from the insideout and learn some skills and

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some tools and some tastics andsome tactics and actually create
that vision of relationship withthe person you're currently
with.
But we have to get futurefocused and future driven in
order to do that.
And then we have to train orretrain our nervous system, our
emotions, our thoughtstrategies, and our nervous
system to align with who we wantto become as opposed to who
we've been.
So we have to retrain thosedynamics.

SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
Right.
So let's talk about that alittle bit in the context of
maybe a relationship alchemywith uh like with our ex-spouse,
right?
Because that's that's probablythe the first one that we have
to deal with in going through ingoing through a divorce.
And obviously, if we are goingthrough or have gotten a

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divorce, we don't want to havethat same relational dynamic
that we've had with them thathas maybe led to the ending of
the marriage, and we want tochange that.
So we maybe want to change thattoxic relationship into maybe
the best we can describe it isuh is a is a is a like a
functional business partnership,right?

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Where we can where we co-parentor parallel parent with that
parent.
But the you know, the first howwhat is the first step that we
can take in changing thatdynamic when the other person is
like you're not in a partnershipanymore, they're not on on
board, right?
Like you talk about in the in inyour book about how maybe the
person might be on board, uhmight not be on board, maybe you

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bought them the book, maybeyou're doing it together.
This person is like completelyliving a different lifestyle.
Like, let's talk about what'sthe first step in in just even
trying to do that.

SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Yeah.
The first step is is what I callabsolute ownership.
And so what I mean by that is ifyou if we pay attention and you
think about the ex, like matterof fact, people could do it
right now.
Like, think about your ex.
And what I would say is writedown the emotion that you're
thinking about your ex, likewhat's the first emotion people

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feel?
What would you say it is?
Right, cringe.
Yeah.
Does that say that one moretime?
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Oh, I say like right.
Like usually you think about theex it's like yeah, it's like
anger, resentment, rage, right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
Maybe unworthiness, maybe shame or guilt for
something I did.
And it's like, boom, there's anemotion there.
The key is to to to have thecourage to go, I'm not feeling
this list of things because ofanything that has to do with my
ex.
Because like maybe I haven'ttalked to him in a year.
Maybe I haven't been, maybe wehaven't lived together in six
months, right?
Maybe we're co-parenting, but Ihaven't seen him in two days.

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But I'm sitting in my house andI think about my ex and I feel
anger, I feel resentment, I feelrage, I feel unworthy, I feel
shame.
I feel all these emotions showup.
Whether we like it or not,that's us with ourselves.
That has nothing to do with theex.
It has nothing to do with thepast, the circumstances that
happen.
And so like the real courage isgoing, man, these are my, these
are emotions I'm feeling, andthese have 100% to do with me,

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not my ex.
And I'm going to be responsiblefor them and I'm going to
retrain them.
And how do we know that we'venailed it?
Is we can think of the ex and wefeel compassion.
We can think of the ex and wefeel love for them.
Because at one point in time,you probably did love them,
right?
Like something changed there.
Can I think of my ex and justfeel peace within myself or
centered or a sense ofacceptance?

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And so that's the first order ofbusiness.
Because if we don't do that,then your past relationship is
going to define your futurerelationship.
Because that anxiety and thatrage and that resentment and
that fear and that insecuritydoesn't go away because you get
into a new relationship.
The pattern dynamic lives inyour unconscious self, it lives
in your nervous system.
And so if we don't retrain it,we're going to take it into our

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new relationship.
Like not only are we not goingto transform our relationship
with our ex potentially, whichis very important, especially if
we're co-parenting or in asituation where we have to
continue interacting with them.
But more important is if we takethose pattern dynamics into our
next relationship, it's going tolimit what's possible.
So step one is always ownership.
This is my emotion.
These are my experiences.

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Let me dial myself in.
90% of the time, if you don'tenroll the other person and you
actually just evolve who you arebeing with yourself as you
interact with them, that is allthat it takes for a relationship
to transform.

SPEAKER_02 (22:19):
Okay.
So yeah.
So you talk about that radicalpersonal responsibility all the
time, which is which is really,really important.
And one of the things we talkabout here in the community as
dads is we need to, as dads andas the leaders of our family and
as men in general, take thatfirst step to that radical

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personal responsibility instarting this process ourselves,
right?
Like we're responsible for doingthat.
A lot of us that that show up inthis community, that's
uncomfortable.
It's something that we haven'tdone.
A lot of us are codependent.
That's why we, you know, whyprobably, I know it wasn't in my
in my circumstance, one of thereasons why our relationship

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failed.
And so uh so talk a little bitabout you, you you touched on
it, this idea of the emotionalmirroring and how important that
is, particularly, you know, withthe X, right?
So with the X, that can behelpful and it can move a
relationship.
But also I feel like that couldbe have an even an even greater

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impact on your relationship withyour kids.
Because like if as a dad, you'restressed and anxious maybe about
custody or whatever's going onwith with the kids.
The kids know it without youeven saying a word.
So can you explain this idea ofthe the emotional resonance and
and and how best a dad canstabilize his own energy, then

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being which is then going tolead lead the rest of the family
and and and the kids,particularly in any given day.
I've seen this, this was a hardone, this was a hard reality for
me, Joey.
Was I started to realize and howI showed up in the morning with
my daughters, first thing wasgoing to set the tone on how we

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were going to have the the restof our day was going to
transpire.

SPEAKER_03 (24:15):
That's that emotional resonance.

SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
100%.

SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Like you make a great point, right?
So it's like, you know, I thinka lot of what people don't
understand about resonance oryou know, law of attraction,
it's like like emotions, theylive by certain rules, right?
They play by certain, you know,dynamics, if you will, just like
there's the law of gravity.
Like you jump off a house andthink you're gonna fly, you're
probably not gonna fly, right?
You're gonna fall.
Like you're gonna adhere to thelaw of gravity whether you think

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they exist or not.
And so if we break down emotionin a practical way, if I show up
and and I feel agitated orangry, you know, which is uh
completely reasonable if we'remanaging a difficult situation,
by the way.
But if I feel angry and I'mdriving in a situation and I
wake up, I go through my daythat way, and I'm at, I'm taking
the kids to school from thatplace and I'm thinking about my

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ex as an example, or to yourpoint, we're having breakfast
together, or I pick them up fromschool or spending the evening
together, like that anger isgoing to put out an energy, it's
gonna have an impact.
And even if I don't say that I'mangry and I try to hide it, the
emotion is still there.
And the thing is, we have whatare called mirror neurons in
your brain.
And so your kids are receivingthe signal from you that you're

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angry, even if they don't knowto call it anger.
And what happens is your braingoes into an immediate defense
mechanism, which then shuts downthings like vulnerability and
connection and authenticity andall the things that we obviously
want to know with the peoplethat we love and care for the
most.
And so what we don't realize isthe signal that we're putting
out there is being received bythe unconscious of other

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people's minds and brains asthough we are a threat, and they
immediately go into a shutdownprocess, fight or flight, fight,
flee, or freeze.
And so if we can get good attraining our own capacity for
managing state, and even thoughdifficult situations are going
on, we can show up with the kidsand hold a place of compassion
or a place of feeling acceptancewithin ourselves or love for the

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children, or just a generalsense of I feel love with
myself.
It's like all of a sudden weshow up with the kids and
they're like, oh, I feel safewith this person.
I am safe with this person.
I want to talk to them, I wantto communicate with them because
their brain through the mirrorneurons is receiving the signal
that that it's like, hey, okay,everything is safe, everything
is okay.
And so emotion and the energy wecarry is the first form of

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communication, right?
Because that's the first signalthat we're receiving from the
from from each other's brain.
And then from there, it's likebody language and positioning
and the words we communicate andall the other stuff.
And you can't say the rightthing to cover up a fear-based
emotion.
Like I can't say the right wordsto cover up the fact that I'm
angry or that I'm agitated orthat I feel sad or I feel

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ashamed and things of thatnature, because that's the
communication that's going tocome through.
And so if we get good at being,you know, again, we're never
perfect, like you don't have toalways be in a love-based state,
but from a neurological reality,if we understand how to drive
from the love-based state 90% ofthe time, and then 10% of the
time we notice we've come offcenter and and be able to

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hopefully readjust and getre-anchored to that love-based
state, we can trust ourselves inin all our situations and to
navigate the situation in thebest way possible.

SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
Yeah.
So, you know, that's it'simportant to emphasize, I feel
like to the guys, in doing thiswork that you're describing,
sometimes I'm gonna call it thesacrifice myth.
The the dads get divorced, theymight have all of what you

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describe some anger, or or likefor me, there was a lot of shame
and a lot of guilt around this,and they start living entirely
for their kids.
And I know that I did this, Ididn't want it to be super dead.
I almost killed myself doing it.
And you weren't about this ideaof living for others, and and so
talk about why this that thatmartyrdom is actually dangerous

(29:39):
for our child children thatwe're trying to protect because
it's not it's not conveying tothem, like you said, there's
it's they're gonna they're gonnafigure it out, like they're
gonna get that feeling, whetheryou're saying it or not.

SPEAKER_00 (29:56):
Yeah, 100%.
And I think the key that we wantto remember is, you know, it
really is like the way we learnas human beings is very monkey
see monkey do, especially whenit comes to our children.
And so if we show up and we makeour lives about our kids or we
go into that martyrdom reality,what we're teaching the kids to
do is live for other people.
And like none of us want thatfor our children.

(30:18):
And so we need to live forourselves first because that's
where we're gonna find our ownvitality and we're gonna find
our own greatness, we're gonnafind our own empowerment, and
we're gonna find the bestversion of ourself.
And when you are living the bestversion of yourself, you have
the best version of yourself togive to other people.
And so other people are actuallygonna receive a tremendous
amount more from you if you aretaking care of yourself and

(30:41):
living the best version ofyourself, as opposed to if we're
running on empty and we'regiving them the leftovers, we're
giving them what we have left togive.
It's like they're getting 10 or20% of us as opposed to that
110% that we're all capable ofgiving.
And when you show up and youmake sure you're putting
yourself first, you live foryourself first, you take care of
your needs first, then all of asudden you're able to give all

(31:02):
the extra and all the abundanceto other people, that's where
you're going to give everythingto your kids.
And they're gonna also learnfrom you by way of that example
to live for themselves, filltheir tank, and then you know,
be with other people, not tolive for other people.

SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Right.
Is there is there something, isthere a skill or a tool or an
exercise that you could sharewith the dads that they could do
with their kiddos that wouldhelp them to demonstrate this?
I think we're talking, you know,we're talking generally about
emotional resilience, right?
Is there something that thatthey can that they can do with

(31:42):
them that might not only modelit, but that would help them to
include their children in thewhole the whole concept?

SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
100%.

SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
So like the way I always say it, and and we have
families engage the worktogether often.
Matter of fact, like if you're13 years of age to 18, you come
free with your parents to all ofour trainings because we want
the whole family to be insidethese dynamics, you know,
because then all of a suddenthere's common language.
We understand how to interactand work with each other.
And it's like a game changerwhen we have a playbook, right?

(32:14):
And what I would say is there'snot like one specific technique
or tactic, but it's it's reallycommit to training yourself and
then share that with your kids.
Like it's as simple as that.
Train yourself, develop thecompetency.
And depending on their age, likewhen they're younger, like let's
say five or six or seven, likeif you just train yourself and
develop the competency, youwon't even need to teach them

(32:35):
because they'll copy it fromyou, right?
Which is pretty cool.
If they get a little bit older,and if you want to accelerate
the process, demonstrate it, butthen also just teach them what
you've learned to do.
Teach them how to do that whichyou do.
And so, like the ways that thatI often train people is it's
like, hey, first we gotta wegotta learn the skill of
emotional sensitivity, whichvery few people have.

(32:56):
Like most people live with themstuff every day.
Like I was just on a on a calllike earlier this morning with a
client.
You know, he's got children,he's got a beautiful wife, he
just remarried, right?
They're they're 14 days freshinto their new marriage, I
think, right?
And he's like, I'm like, how doyou feel?
And he's like, he's telling methings that are happening.
Well, my business is doing that,and I've got a lot happening,

(33:17):
and you know, I'm not able tohit my marks.
I said, Yeah, but how do youfeel?
I asked him this a dozen times.
He never once named an emotion.
And so then I start giving himthe emotions.
I'm like, man, I bet you feelanxious, I bet you feel
overwhelmed, I bet you feel abit un insecure.
He's like, Yeah, that's it.
Those are the emotions, right?
So, although we live withourselves every day, it doesn't
mean we know ourselves.
My master used to say to me, mymartial arts master used to say,

(33:38):
Joey, you're always going to bethe hardest person for yourself
to see.
And that's 100% true.
And so if we look at emotional,like actual training, training,
aligning, rewiring, emotion,thought strategy, nervous
system, step one is trainingemotional awareness and
sensitivity.
Step two is training ourrelationship to our emotions.
Step three is learning to centerfear-based emotions.

(33:59):
Step four is activatinglove-based emotions that we want
to leverage and feel and sharewith people in our life and make
those a reflex.
And then step five is build outthe mental framework and the
environmental components, peoplein our life, where we live, how
we live, what we're doing, toreinforce that.
And so it's like when I'm likeif you're working with your

(34:19):
kids, it's like ask them, hey,how do you feel?
Let them share.
And then acknowledge, hey, it'sokay that you feel that way.
Like I want you to know that's anormal human emotion.
I want you to know you can speakto me from that place.
You can communicate to me what'sgoing on.
And I'm not going to judge you.
I'm going to accept whatever'sthere.
It's okay to feel those things,right?
Help them become aware andsensitive to what they feel.
Help them acknowledge andexpress the feeling and the

(34:41):
emotion.
And then show them, hey, did youdo you want to know how to
center that?
Do you want to know how to calmthat down?
Well, acknowledge how you feel.
Now go ahead and teach them howto breathe properly to manage
their own nervous system andthen show them how to redirect.
And so it's like you're going tobe able to train your kids to
the capacity in which you trainyourself, no more or no less.

SPEAKER_03 (34:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Yeah, that's uh that's great advice.
You know, this is stuff that ifwe didn't have a parent or
somebody in our life in ourchildhood or early adult life
that has spent time talking withus about this stuff, we just
have no idea.
It's like the first time youstep into a gym.

(35:22):
You could just step into a gym,you have no idea what everything
is, how to do it, how it relateswith your body parts, like
anything.
It's just like you have no idea.
So I that's why I love what youhave done in breaking this down.
Like I said, I I to this day usethe meditations, I use the
foresighted breath.

(35:43):
I talk with my daughters.
We implemented stuff years ago.
We call it a feelings check-in,right?
So you you talk about that, andwe'll do it usually like around
dinner time, and we'll say, hey,let's just do a feelings
check-in.
How are you feeling?
And then, you know, in thebeginning, it was some of the
some same stuff you talk about,like, oh, they talk about their

(36:04):
day and this is happening andda-da-da.
And it's, you know, it wasteaching them to say, you know,
are you feeling excited today?
Are you unhappy?
Are you sad today?
Were you joyful today?
Like talking more about thefeelings that you're that you're
having around that so you canidentify because like I had no
idea how to do this.
And it took, you know, I'vebeen, you know, decades later

(36:25):
until I did training with uh oneof your trainers, Ryan, and and
did some of the work until Ireally figured out how to do
this.
And my life was being, you know,up and down on that, on that,
you know, on that ocean liner,up and down just based upon the
emotions, right?
So that's what that that's whatI love about this this whole

(36:45):
system uh in and what you guysdo.
And it's and it's really simple,guys.
When you when you get into it,it's it's it's uh maybe a little
bit scary, right?
Because you're starting to learnand deal with these emotions.
But but once you do, I tell you,it's it's actually been
remarkable with my daughters,Joey, to to see their ability

(37:08):
because once you know how to dothis and and you train it, to
watch them be able to then tuneinto this stuff at a much
earlier time in their life thanthan I was able to.
I have such high expectationsfor them and the relationships
that that they have, but alsothe relationships that they're

(37:28):
gonna get into as well.
And so that's why I want toemphasize with with the guys
that it's incredibly important.
It's not, you know, it's it'snot a selfish thing to do.
It actually is the mostimportant thing that you can do
for your family is learning whatJoey is teaching with
Intermatrix Systems, learningabout your emotions and

(37:52):
channeling and training what todo with them because it's going
to have the greatest impact onyour your kids and your family
in the future.
And I can attest to that havingdone it and worked through it
myself.
So that wasn't really aquestion, it was just more of a
uh just just reiterating thatwhat you teach and and what is

(38:15):
it's is probably one of the mostimportant things I would say.
We talk in the community, dads,like you need a you need a
divorce attorney, you need adivorce coach, you need a maybe
a therapist.
But if if there was one thingthat you were gonna spend money
on, I would say do this becausethis is gonna get you through
all the other stuff.

(38:36):
It's gonna help you make betterdecisions with your attorney,
with your ex, with your kids,everything else.
And and so anyway, that's let'sget to another question.
But I just want to say it isabsolutely awesome, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (38:57):
That's awesome, dude.
Thank you so much for sharingall that.

SPEAKER_00 (39:00):
Like I love hearing when people take the work like
yourself and implement it withthe kids and and hear the
difference that it makes and andso happy for you.
That's that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
Yeah.
Well, okay, so let's talk abouta couple a couple of other
things.
I I I still wanted to talk alittle bit about this
relationship alchemy and kind ofin so one of the things in in
the book that I read, you talkedabout unmanaged expectations
destroying relationships, right?
And in divorce, one of thethings that that that we often

(39:33):
expect that we don't realize isfairness and the family court
system can rarely be fair, uh,especially to dads.
Uh, how can a dad manage hisexpectations during this process
uh and and to protect his mentalhealth when the system itself,

(39:55):
so now we're not talking aboutanother person, but we're we're
talking the system itself isacting irrationally.

SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
Like, and as you say, it's abroken system.
So, you know, it it starts withwith exactly that, right?
Accepting that it's a brokensystem.
Because if we if we kind of gointo it understanding that, like
already that starts to informour expectations, that like fear
may not be what happens here, orwhat what's equal may not be

(40:23):
what happens here.
And so the thing is that we wantto remember is anytime we feel
pain, so like the emotions wewere talking about before, you
know, if I feel anger or if Ifeel resentment or I feel shame
or I feel sad, what that tellsme, as I always say, emotions
are there to inform where we areat.
They are not there to informwhat we should do.
And so if I understand, if I go,man, I feel really disappointed,

(40:44):
I feel really sad, or I feelreally angry, that's telling me
that there's some expectationthat my mind is holding that's
going unmet.
And so when it comes toexpectations, there's a couple
of things we got to remember.
First and foremost, we want tocome from our place of personal
power.
And our place of personal powerlies in two key things the
actions that we take and the waywe respond to the environment,

(41:09):
to the to the situations, tothings that happen.
And where we're gonnafundamentally lose our power and
where we're gonna disempowerourselves is where we make
ourselves responsible for otherpeople's emotions, where we try
to control the behavior of otherpeople, or we try to control
what happens, like the courtsystem, right?
And so if we can remember thosetwo key things going into the

(41:31):
process, through the process,and after the process, I can
control my actions and I cancontrol how I'm gonna respond to
situations, that immediately isgonna calibrate us in an
empowering way.
And then from there, it'sexpectation management.
So if I feel a fear-basedemotion or a painful emotion, I
go, man, I feel really sad.
What's the expectation that'sgoing unmet?

(41:52):
Sadness is always linked to theabsence of something.
I'm not gonna have as much timewith my kids.
I'm going to, you know, have tolive on less money than I, than
I than usual, right?
Whatever the expectation is,right?
It's like name the expectationthat's going unmet.
I'm supposed to be living onwhat I've always made.
I'm supposed to keep more of mymoney.
I'm supposed to be with my kids100% of the time.

(42:13):
Well, if I hold the belief thatI'm supposed to be with my kids
100% of the time, well, everytime that goes unmet, we're
going to suffer.
And so from there, we cancalibrate the expectation.
We can go, listen, I have acommitment to love and to
feeling, you know, joy in mylife.
And I have a commitment to beingin a great relationship with my

(42:33):
kids and managing my ex in a ina good way.
And so this expectation that I'msupposed to be with my kids 100%
of the time, I've got to changethat.
I've got to be with my, I'mgonna, I'm gonna make the best
of the time I have with them,and I'm gonna make it quality
time so I can still achieveeverything I want with them.
And, you know, their their theirmom or their dad or the other

(42:55):
person deserves time with themtoo.
And so it's like, it's like I'mnot saying that's what you
should adopt, but the point isonce you identify expectations
as being unreasonable because ofthree key things.
Either the other person's notwilling to meet the expectation,
the environment doesn't enableus to meet the expectation.
It's not possible, right?
Or maybe we're unwilling to meetthe expectation.

(43:17):
That's what makes it anunreasonable expectation.
It has nothing to do with itbeing rational.
And that's where a lot of peoplemake a mistake when it comes to
managing expectations, is theythink it should be a rational
process and it's just not.
It's like, is the other personcapable and willing?
No, they're not.
It's unreasonable.
I got to change it.
Am I capable or willing?
Like I might be capable of beingwith my, I might be willing to

(43:38):
be with my kids 100% of thetime.
Court system might say you onlyget half.
So you might be willing, butyou're not capable of doing it,
right?
And so it's like, do I havecapacity and willingness?
If there's a no there, time toevolve that expectation.
And so, you know, or maybe thecircumstance doesn't enable us
to meet it.
So we want to evaluateexpectations and then start to
align the expectations, definethem in a way that we can not

(44:01):
only live up to them, we canuphold the expectation.
The other person can uphold theexpectation, but it also is
driving us toward the vision ofthe life we want to create, who
we want to become, the way wewant to feel, and the outcomes
that we want to generate.
Expectations are not about themanipulation of the other
person.
A lot of people, they look atexpectations and they kind of

(44:21):
try to leverage expectations toget another person to do what
they want.
And that's a misuse ofexpectation.
The point of expectation is it'salmost like our playbook at the
end of the day of how we'regonna operate and how we're
gonna invite other people tooperate with us and uphold that
standard so that we become theversion of the person we want to
become.
And again, the expectation isserving the outcome result we

(44:42):
want to get.

SPEAKER_02 (44:43):
Yeah.
So let's talk a little bit aboutthat because you talk about
having your life vision in placeand knowing what that is.
Uh, and you talk about this inthe book before you can have a
relationship vision, right?
And we get lots of times, I wasguilty of this too.
Dads that rush into a newrelationship, right, during a

(45:05):
divorce or post-divorce.
What are three questions thatdads can ask themselves first?
And are uh, or no, let me let meput it this way.
What are what are threequestions a dad must answer for
himself around this life visionfirst before let's say
downloading a dating app or evenstarting to go on another day?

SPEAKER_00 (45:26):
I love this question.
This is so important.
Take a year before you jump intoa new relationship minimum.
But anyway, three things.
So as I kind of spoke ofearlier, I'm a life mastery guy.
Like I want to train peopleinside of not just nailing
awesome relationships, but trulydesigning each element of life

(45:46):
so you're mastering life andyour version of that, right?
And so as I talked aboutearlier, step one, who do I want
to wake up to each day?
What's the energy that I want toembody and drive with?
Do I want to drive inspired?
Do I want to drive with passion?
Do I want to drive withconviction and empowerment and
love?
Like, what's the energy asyourself that you want to bring
to each day?

(46:07):
So that's number one.
Number two is hey, what is the,again, like what like what level
of vitality do I want to be inwith my body?
Am I taking care of myself?
Like, what's my vision for bodyhealth?
What's my vision forrelationships, friendships,
family?
Yes, also inclusive of romanticrelationship, but what's the
vision for the relationshipmatrix that I want to create for

(46:29):
myself?
Like, what does that look likeout, say three years, five years
from now?
And then finally, what whatlevel of you know financial
abundance do I want to be in?
What is my career vision?
Like really stop and think abouteach of those components and
what is the vision that I havefor what I what with the
specific outcomes results I wantto see happen in each area of in
each of those areas of life outthree to five years.

(46:51):
Like that's the first questionis what is the life that I'm
aspiring to build?
Because if you don't know thelife you're aspiring to build,
you have no way, you have nocontext for evaluating is the
person I'm dating a potentialfit for my current and future
reality or not?
We're just kind of shootingblind and and and you're just
guessing, which often doesn'tturn out well.
So number one is what does thevision for my life look like

(47:14):
that I want to build out, saythree years from now, five years
from now, both in terms of theperson I want to become, who I
want to become, and the life Iwant to create.
And then number two is askyourself the question, what
emotion am I driving with on aregular basis now?
Like, like if we're honest withourselves, we go, what is my
primary driver?
If the primary driver isfear-based, you're still inside

(47:35):
of anxiety, you're still insideof anger, you're still holding
resentment, no go.
When your primary driver, if youcan say, hey, what is the
primary driver I'm executing myday-to-day life from?
And majority of the time you'rejoyful, you're passionate,
you're inspired, you're there wego.
That's number two.
What is my primary energy thatI'm driving with?
And if your state, if theprimary energy of who you are

(47:57):
living as is actually joyful,inspired, you know, you know,
passionate, loving, et cetera,then you're ready to get into a
relationship with somebody who'sgonna meet you there.
Because if you're not there andyou're driving with anger,
resentment, depression, youknow, whatever that might be,
sadness, well, that's the personyou're gonna hook up with.
Like that's who you're gonnaattract because that's what
those emotional dynamics connectwith.

(48:18):
Like you don't see joyful,passionate people hanging out
with angry, cynical people.
Like it's just a miss, right?
And then the third questionwould be what do I feel when I
think of my ex?
And so, kind of like we weretalking about earlier, when you
can think of your ex and you canfeel acceptance, you're good to
go.
When you think of your ex andyou feel love and compassion for

(48:38):
them, you're good to go.
If you think of your ex and theresentment rumbles up, anger
rumbles up, that's what getsactivated.
We got a little more work to dobefore we move forward.

SPEAKER_02 (48:48):
Yeah.
And what I love about all ofthis is all everything from the
triggers all the way on, we arein control of, right?
It's identifying data about us.
And data about us helps us tomake changes for in and make
changes in ourselves that impactthe world around us, right?

(49:10):
So while we're going throughthis difficult and challenging
time, one of the most difficultthat we're gonna experience, we
actually do have control of theoutcomes that we want to see,
whether we recognize it or not.
And that's part of this trainingsystem that that that you talk
about and getting in gettinginto.

(49:31):
And so, and and I just wanted toI just wanted to emphasize that
with with with the dads, becauseuh I often say, hey, this is an
opportunity for you.
And lots of guys, dads like,what in the hell are you talking
about?
This is an opportunity for me.
Like, this is an opportunity foryou.
You're awakened now toeverything that Joey is

(49:51):
describing to you that you havenot had control over before.
Now, if you you're being forcedto have to address that stuff,
these emotions, these triggers,like they're all coming up, man,
and they are not gonna go away.
Right?
So, so now is your opportunityto tune into them and and do

(50:12):
something about them.
So let's um let's finish up.
We're we're we're almost out oftime, but the the last one, I
know this is a big one with withguys, and and we've actually
started a sister podcast aboutdating about after divorce.
How do how and and I think youhit it on it mostly with that
with that second part of of whatyou just talked about, creating

(50:35):
that light vision, but how dohow do dads identify those
hidden patterns in our nervoussystem that were the the
patterns that attracted us toour ex that we don't want to
repeat and attract that sameperson the second time around?

SPEAKER_00 (50:57):
Yeah, so it goes back to kind of the beginning of
our conversation today, right?
Because the ghost in the machineor those unconscious hidden
pattern dynamics that define theoutcomes in our life that we
don't want and we can't seem toovercome them, they are always
anchored inside of emotionalpatterns at a core.
And so if we're if we developthat awareness sensitivity in

(51:17):
our day-to-day life, and like wejust go through life and we pay
attention, you know, you thinkabout your ex, you go to work,
you're doing your things, you'rehanging out with the kids.
And if you're just checking in,like, you know, we have a we
have a training we do where youjust it's five seconds, right?
Five, 10 seconds at the most,you just tune in three, five
times a day and you go, hey, inthis moment, how do I feel?
You tune into your nervoussystem.
Where's my nervous system at?

(51:38):
And if you go, man, I feel alittle sad.
We want to lean into that, whichis counterintuitive to what most
people do, which is they want toget rid of it as fast as
possible.
And a lot of us have unconsciouscoping mechanisms so we don't
have to manage or deal withthose painful emotions that we
feel.
Like some of us will drink,we'll binge watch, you know,
Netflix, we'll we'll surf on thephone, we'll scroll social
media, we'll work ourselves todeath, all that kind of stuff.

(52:00):
But it's like instead you got todo the opposite.
You go, man, in this in thismoment I feel sad, that's okay.
And literally just be with thesadness.
And when you just sit with itand you do what I call follow
the emotion, we do this a lot inone of our trainings called
evolution.
You follow the emotion, not fora long time.
I'm just talking three to fiveminutes, but you just be with
the emotion, you sit with it,you follow the emotion, you're
gonna think about a person inyour life.

(52:21):
It's gonna take you to a membera remembrance of some past
event.
You're gonna start payingattention to things that you
know occur to you to do, andthey may not and probably aren't
gonna align you with vision,right?
So it's like get sensitive tothe emotion and then pay
attention to where does thatemotion bring you?
Does it bring you to the past?
Does it bring you to some personin your life?
Do you think about somechallenged situation in your

(52:42):
life?
Are you anticipating somethingbad happening in the future?
And then it's just analyzing it,assessing it, not dwelling on
it, not trying to pick it apart,not necessarily determining
where it came from because I wasfour and my mom and dad did this
to me or whatever it is.
It's like, no, no, that's what'srunning in me, right?
If we catch it real time and aredo real-time check-ins

(53:02):
throughout the day, we're gonnarealize what's driving us.
And it's not what we oftenthink.
And then what we can do fromthere is start to address it
against our vision if weformulate that.
We can go, hey, will thispattern align me with vision?
Is that taking me to who I wantto become, the person I want to
be, the man I want to become,and the life I want to create?
If it does, keep doing it.

(53:23):
If it doesn't, it's time to findthat way to center and start
rebuilding or start training thedynamics that are going to take
you there.
And so it more of us in the anassessment and execution process
relative to how we want toperform, as opposed to a
dwelling process and then sortof overanalyzing by way of

(53:43):
looking at the past.

SPEAKER_02 (53:45):
Right.
It's I think that's an importantdistinction for the dads
listening.
This is not this isn't therapy,and it's not talk therapy, and
you're not unpacking a bunch ofstuff.
And actually, I I don't want toget into the therapeutic
discussion, but you don't haveto do all that stuff, right?
Like this is what we're this isforward-looking, this is

(54:06):
retraining.
Yeah, maybe it's important to dothat stuff, and maybe there's
some places and some somenecessity around that.
There's nothing wrong, uh,nothing bad about therapy.
But but this is what will takeyou to the next level.
This is what's going to move youin the direction that you want
to move.
You're controlling this.
Again, we go back to you havecontrol over this.

(54:28):
You haven't known it your entirelife, probably, like, like I
didn't.
We don't know this.
It's not something that we'retaught in school.
It took Joey decades to learnall of this, and then put
together a system around thisthat that helps everybody to to
figure this out now.
But then once you do it and onceyou realize it, it is absolutely

(54:48):
amazing.
And and so it and and the theresults that you get in such a
short period of time, and justgo to the inner matrix systems.
I think you've got thetestimonials up on this on the
site still with with innermatrix.
I know I get the the the emailswith them periodically as as as
well, but the the results arequick, right?

(55:09):
This isn't something you'redoing, uh something you got to
do over and over, right?
Just like exercising andmaintaining a healthy lifestyle
if you want to be healthy, butbut if you have quick and
immediate results around that.
And on that note, then Joey, sohow can people find the book,
buy the book, but also you haveyour power series that that go
on regularly, you know, allacross the the country.

(55:32):
How can they find moreinformation on that and really
get dialed into and involved inthe intermatrix systems
community?

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
Yeah, 100%.
So the three best places to go.
Number one, if you want to grabrelationship alchemy, we also
have some free complimentarybonuses connected to that.
If you buy the book, you justpay shipping, we'll give you the
book for free.
You can do a complimentarytraining, ghost in the machine
training with one of mytrainers, and we'll help you
discover your ghost in themachine.
It's a three-hour course thatwe're going to take you through.

(56:00):
Normally people pay a thousandbucks for it.
We're just giving it to all yourpeeps for free.
Complimentary, just to kind ofget them rolling and hopefully
we can give them some support intheir in their process as
they're kind of moving throughthe spaces in their life they're
moving through.
And so that's a great, greatplace to land, joeyclein.com, J
O E Y Y K-L E I N dot com.
And they can sign up for that.
It's the first thing they'llsee.

(56:21):
Second place, innermatrixsystems.com.
You can get a complimentarysession with one of my trainers.
You can order the inner matrixthere.
And then the third place, if youjust want ongoing tips and
tricks, if you connect with meon Instagram, the real Joey
Klein, they can sign up there.
And I'm always giving littletips on how to manage
relationship, life dynamics,things of that nature.

SPEAKER_02 (56:41):
Awesome.
Okay, so I'm gonna encourageevery dad listening, all three,
like get on, and and especiallythat first one.
Oh my god, that is an amazingoffer.
I didn't know that you weregonna extend that.
So dad's and and and how do theydo that?
So if they want the book, theycan order the book where, and
then they'll be able to get athe the consultation about the I

(57:03):
love the name too that goesthrough.com joeyclein.com.
Okay.
Yeah, that's 100%.

SPEAKER_01 (57:11):
So yeah, it's joeyclein.com, jo-e-i-k-l-e-in-
dot com.

SPEAKER_02 (57:19):
Perfect.
Joey, hey, it's always apleasure.
We we've knocked out an hour andI could talk with you about this
stuff for forever, but Isincerely appreciate what you've
done and what you've puttogether.
I think it's life-changing foruh for people that get involved.
I know it has been for me.
I know that there's other peoplethat I've returned referred to
some of your trainers that havehad life-changing uh experiences

(57:43):
with with that.
So you're you're a blessing.
I sincerely appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 (57:47):
I appreciate you sharing your wisdom with my
audience today.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
Well, thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 (57:52):
It's a it's a it's an honor to be here, and yeah,
look forward to doing it againsoon sometime.

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