Doctor-Lite but Heavy Themes - Season 2: Lucky Day

Hey, Who fans and welcome to Episode 423.

Lucky Day was another interesting episode! Ruby Sunday’s back in action, trying to navigate life on Earth without the Doctor. Things get dicey when a new threat emerges, and she’s got to save her boyfriend, Conrad, from the Shreek.

The episode explores heavy themes like online toxicity and personal struggles, but honestly, it left us feeling a bit mixed. We’re all about the twists and turns, but this one had us flipping back and forth on whether we loved it or just kinda liked it.

Tune in as we break down our thoughts, laughs, and maybe a few head-scratchers from this episode.

Lastly, if you're a fan of Blake's 7, check out our other podcast - Federation Strike: A Journey Through Blake's 7. We've just wrapped our first season of our review of every episode of Series A, plus some great bonus episodes. Enjoy!

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Hey, hey, hey Who fans,welcome to the Big Blue Box Podcast.
My name's Garry.
My name's Adam.
And this is episode 423.
Yeah.
Welcome back, you lot. We hopeyou've had a cracking week and you've
all managed to do something Doctor.

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Doctor Who related. Oh, no,that was. That was too much.
Bloody hell.
That was. I. I was justscarred after last week.
That was. Yeah, not a chanceon that one.
Knocked ya sideway with that one.
Yeah, we'll have to get backto normal service next week and just
doing that a bit properly.

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Yes. So get you this week.
So seeing as you jumped in andyou smashed that one, have you done
anything Doctor Who relatedsince last week?
No. Short and sweet after all that.
No, nothing. So other thanwatch our review episode, of course.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Soanother week, another episode. Thank

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you very much everyone forjoining us. As we review, we go through
season two and every episode.Hope you checked out last week The
Well, our review of that,which was an interesting one, a bit
of a middle of the road storyfor us on that one this week. I honestly
don't know how this one'sgoing to go, mate. With you.
No, same with you, actually.
Honestly don't know. Thiscould be the end of it.

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Mid. Mid series. Yeah, yeah.Fall off a cliff.
It could go. Yeah, either way.Or it could be amazing. It could
be like, yeah, I'm absolutelylooking forward to next week and
watching this multiple times.Until then, who knows? Who knows?
Before we crack on with thereview, as always, if you're a longtime

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same name. And yeah, go checkme out. The Geeks Handbag indeedy.
So that's enough about us.Let's dive straight in with this
week's review. Dude, what we got?
Yeah. So here we are, episodefour and it's called Lucky Day.

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A year ago it marked its prey.Now something new. Aren't you scared
and running? Why? Because itlikes the taste.
There's something out there.

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We're a team, like you and theDoctor. What the hell is going on?
They're after Who? Monsters.Unto you to pieces. The Shriek Wipe
out this entire village
Action packed trailer.

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Dude, we're halfway throughthe series. How. How this. This makes
me feel like eight episodes isjust not enough. I feel like it's.
I don't know. Just can'tbelieve it. Episode 4 already.
Just can't believe it. I can'tbelieve we're over it.
I don't believe it.
Yeah, it does feel a bit liketime zipped along, doesn't it? Excuse

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the pun. We are at Lucky Daythis week though, and it was broadcast
this Saturday, just gone thirdof May. Usual runtime for season
two, about 45 minutes. It waswritten by not Russell T Davis this
week, but Pete McTighe,directed by Peter Hoar and stars

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obviously Ncuti Gatwa, VeradaSethu, Millie Gibson's back this
week as Ruby and a reasonablysized cast of supporting actors.
And the synopsis is RubySunday faces life back on Earth without
the Doctor. But when adangerous new threat emerges, can
Ruby and unit save her newboyfriend Conrad from the terrifying

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shriek? Question mark? So,bud, bit of a Doctor Light story,
this one. Ruby's back and itall gets a little bit tense as we
get to see Conrad's trueintentions, etc. So, Buddha, what
are your thoughts on this one?
Well, it was great to see Rubyback, I have to say. I think Millie

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Gibson has been a littleshining star in this new in brackets
era of Doctor Who. I thinkshe's great. Honestly, mate, I just.
The highlight for me so farof. Of this sort of era. So great
to see her back. We'll talkperhaps a bit more about her later,
but Just gonna say off thebat, I thought she was great. The

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episode has really, reallyleft me conflicted, though, and I
have watched it twice becauseI was hoping I might have a more
definitive feeling towards itif I watched it again, because when
I watched it, I watched it onSunday night. I was up and down throughout
the whole episode. I. I foundthe beginning a bit slow and then

(06:31):
the, the twist in the middlekind of woke me up and I was like,
oh, I'm invested in this, thisis good. Then I found the stuff at
the end quite uncomfortablewith Comrades, you know, being sort
of having the wall set on himand, oh, I don't know, I was just
up and down and I thought,well, I'll give it another watch
and just, you know, let it allsink in. And I still feel a bit the
same. There's, there's,there's stuff in it I really like

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and there's stuff in it thatreally leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So I think I enjoyed thisweek. I think that I do like the
actual premise of the episodeand, and even though I knew Comrade
was going to turn out to bebad, I still found the twist a bit.
Oh, it was somethingdifferent. It wasn't quite what I
was expecting it to be. Youknow, when they took the masks off

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and, and it was, you know,they weren't monsters. It was people
doing it for social media andstuff. It wasn't the story I was
expecting. So in that sense Ienjoyed that bit, but I don't know,
there were bits I didn't enjoyand there was a lot of stuff I was
questioning, especially on asecond watch, you know, a lot of
plot holes. Why did thishappen? How did he get. Why was he
doing this? If so, I don'tknow, mate. I'm a bit. I'm. I'm hoping

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as we talk through, I'llactually try and make some concisive
decision on whether I actuallyenjoyed this or not. But I think
I did. Overall, I just have alot of issues with it as I'm going
through it. Does that makesense as a Doctor Light episode?
I think it was pretty decent,but, yeah, I don't know, man. There

(08:02):
was, there was just stuff thatI just didn't sit right with me in
this story. So. I don't know.Let's talk about it. Let's tell me
what you thought of it.
Yeah, similar to you, mate, Ithink it's another week, another
episode where I'm flipflopping between did I think this

(08:22):
was a good episode or did Inot really enjoy it. I think. I think
this is the most frustratingDoctor Who has been in a while for
me, this season in particular,because I've not consistently enjoyed
an episode from start tofinish. Yeah, I get like two minutes

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in and I think, oh, this isgoing to be a belter. This is really
good. And then at the drop ofa hat, I'm like, okay, this is not
good. And then five, 10minutes later, I'm like, oh, this
is amazing. It's great. I lovethis bit. So maybe we. I don't know,
maybe that's just how TVshould be. I don't know, a bit of
a roller coaster, a bit of anup and down and you don't get this

(09:06):
sort of constant up ofeverything being cool. And I'm not
sure. But there was. Therewere some things. Again, there were
some things in episode that Ireally liked, as been the case for
the last few weeks, andthere's been some bits that just
didn't land for me. Overall, Iwould say it wasn't too bad. It wasn't

(09:27):
too bad. It was an okay watch.It was better than last week for
me. And. Yeah, but there'sjust some weird script choices and
some weird character choicesthat. Yeah, yeah, the biggest one
being Ruby, which we'll comeon to in a bit. But. But overall,
just. Yeah, just a fairlydecent episode, this one.

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This is the weird thing aboutthis series so far with me, mate.
If you were to ask me, is itbetter than last series shooters,
last series, I'd say, yeah,miles better. Okay. And then you'd
say, well, are you enjoyingit? Yes, I am. But why do I sound
like I'm being negative everyweek? I don't know. Because something.
It's almost like it's. It'sthere, but it's not there. I can't

(10:13):
quite pinpoint what it is.That's just. It feels to me like
every week it's so close tobeing really good, but then it just
falls off a cliff for me. So,um. So it's a weird one, mate, because
I've enjoyed all four episodesof the series so far, a lot more
than the last series, but theyjust haven't quite held together
under scrutiny. And maybethat's the thing. Maybe it's because

(10:35):
we're reviewing them ratherthan just watching them. You know,
it's. It's always a differentthing. If you're watching an episode
two just for, you know,putting something on in the background
or an episode just to enjoy,you'll overlook all plot holes and
Things, but I guess becauseI'm watching it to review and I'm
looking for plot holes and I'mlooking for things to, to be critical
about as well as praise, maybethat's why. But I don't know, something

(10:59):
is just not. It's like thatfinal piece of the puzzle is not
quite fitting in with the restof it somehow with this series. But
it is odd because I amenjoying it for the most part and
that kind of sums up myfeelings towards this episode as
well.
Yeah, yeah, I know exactlywhat you mean. Exactly. That it's
almost like you see thetrailer beforehand and you think,

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oh, that that looks reallycool. And then you look at some info
about it as we do, as whofans, we look at some extra info
about it. Not spoilers, butyou know, we just clued up, I guess
more than your average or Joepublic fan. And, and on paper it
looks amazing. The ingredientsare there and you think, okay, yes,
it's going to be a good one.But then like you say, you get to

(11:43):
the end of the episode andyou're like, I enjoyed that, it was
a, it was a decent watch. Butwhy do I not feel like I've just
experienced an amazing episodeof Doctor Who?
Why am I not buzzing to watchnext week?
Yeah, like when you and I weregoing through. So on our other podcast,
Federation Strike, which isabout Blake 7, when you and I were

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going through that, we werejust like itching to get on to the
next episode, weren't we?Yeah, we bulk recorded most of it.
We did two a week. And then onthat, after that second episode,
towards the end of the week wewere like, mate, I really want to
go and watch the next one now.But I know if I do that I'll forget
a lot of key moments when wecome through it next week. Whereas

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at the end of these Doctor Whoepisodes, I'm just really like, we've
got a, We've got a WhatsAppchat with the writing team. So like
a big blue box WhatsApp and acouple of people over the last few
weeks since this season hasstarted, they've messaged in there
on a, on a Saturday probablymid morning lunchtime and said, so

(12:47):
who's watched the episode?What do you think? And my reply is,
well, I'm not watching ituntil tomorrow or I'm not watching
it until, you know, latertonight or whatever. I just don't
have that sort of drive to geton it and watch it as ASAP like I
would have done previously.I'm just not Like, I didn't watch
this one for the first timeuntil Monday night.

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Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.
So, like. And I wasn't, like,stacked at the weekend. I could have
watched it anytime, but I justwasn't fussed about diving back in
and watching the next one, so.Which is weird because, as you say,
it's. You're watching it andyou're enjoying it and you don't
think it's terrible, it's.It's cool. But then you finish watching
it and you're like, I'm justnot buzzed by it all, you know?

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Do you think, well, havinganother Doctor light episode is not
helping towards. Because, youknow, if you love the Doctor and
the new companion, you'll tunein just to see them. I mean, I used
to say this about the MattSmith era. I loved his Doctor. So
even if we got a prettyaverage or whatever episode, which
happened a lot with hisDoctor, it didn't really matter.
Same with Capaldi. I stillenjoy tuning in to see them, you

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know, the Doctor and Amy orwhatever. But I think, because we're
not really getting to know. Imean, I don't feel like I know Belinda
at all, really, as acompanion, and she's only got four
episodes left. Shoot hisDoctor. I know we normally come to
Doctor later. Maybe I'm justgoing to get us out of the way. I
really liked him to beginwith. Do you know, I actually remember

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thinking, like, towards thestart of his. His tenure, that he's
got the potential to be myfavorite Doctor. I just instantly
warmed to him and he had a bitof gravitas and, you know, was showing
a bit emotions. I don't knowif I've got bored of him or if. Or
what, but he's irritating menow. He's. He's almost getting to
how I felt about Jody'sDoctor. The. You know, at the beginning,

(14:39):
he's hardly in this episode.And when he was in it, mate, I didn't
like the Doctor. And I amspecifically saying the Doctor now.
Not shooty the Doctor. Ididn't. He was over the top and bouncing
off the walls in the first fewminutes that he's in it. And then
he comes in at the end andgives this what I thought was quite
a nasty, smug speech toConrad, who, yes, was a bleep, but

(15:03):
come on, it was just not nice.He kind of leaned in and lectured
him. And I didn't like theDoctor at all in this episode, mate.
And I think that's affectingmy enjoyment of the series as well.
We probably should Talk aboutthe story, move on to some positive
stuff. I realize I've startedoff at a bit of a negative footing
here, but I feel like I kindof got to get this stuff out the

(15:24):
way and just. It's almost liketherapy doing a podcast. You know,
you need to get this stuff offyour chest, so. But yeah, I don't
know, mate. As shoot, hisDoctor, he's just. He's got. He's
just not hitting the mark withme at the minute for whatever reason.
I don't know. And it's not hisperformance. It is. It is the way
he's being written and stuff.It's just. I probably will talk more

(15:45):
about that speech towards theend because that I really didn't
like it. And you might have adifferent opinion because some people
thought it was a great seeingthe Doctor turn dark like that. I
did not like it one bit. I'mjust going to say that. But anyway,
we'll probably come on to thatbit later, I guess.
Yeah, no, I know what youmean, dude. Let's. Yeah, let's talk
about the Doctor and Ruby upfront, because they're. They're the

(16:06):
two sort of big ones, aren'tthey? So even though it was a Doctor
light episode, those couple ofscenes where Shooty is in it, it's
not too bad at the beginning.So, like, when they land in London,
I think it's 2007.
Yeah. New Year's Eve. Yeah.Which was quite a nice premise. I
liked that. Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet. And.And they bump into a very young Conrad

(16:28):
and they have all that stuffand the Doctor's very nice to him
and. But you can still seeBelinda's frustration at not being
in the right year and. And allthat stuff. So. Although that was
just another example. We saidthis last week. Well, I said it last
week that I feel like everyepisode is kind of rinse and repeat

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at this point. So we're havingthe same conversations. Belinda is
frustrated at the same thing,the Doctor saying the same thing
back to her and. Or similarthings. And it feels a bit samey
week on week in that respect.But Shooty was good in that opening
bit. Fast forward to the end.And I completely agree with you,
mate. There's this bit whereit doesn't even feel like the Doctor

(17:13):
when. When he's leaning inreally close to Conrad and he's,
you know, he's giving him his.His future. It feels. In some ways,
it does feel like sort of thedarker side of Doctor Who, you know,
in the past, where We've had,you know, David Tennant's run towards
the end where we had the.
Old Time Lord Victoria stuff.
Yeah. So, you know, he went alittle bit like that, didn't he?

(17:35):
We're just a bit ruthless anda bit. A little bit darker, so we've
seen these things before, butit just felt very. So if you had,
like, on the one end of thespectrum, you have, like, very bubbly,
full of energy, shoot hisDoctor and all that stuff, and on
the other end you've got thishere. There was. I think it just

(17:56):
went a bit too far. The otherend. It didn't feel like I was watching
Shooty as the Doctor. I feltlike I was watching Shooty playing.
You know, if you remove thisscene out of the TARDIS and just
put it on a street cornersomewhere, this would have been like
a cool, you know, sort ofdrama of some kind and that kind

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of thing. It just felt a lotmore mature, a lot more adult and
a lot more, you know, nothingparticularly wrong with that. But,
yeah, I don't know, just felta little bit out of character for
Shooty's Doctor.
Here's the thing, mate. Iquite like it when the Doctor goes
a bit dark at times. You know,I do like the whole Time Lord Victorious
thing. It was fantastic. WhenTenant turns to the bad side in that

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scene, you know, when he'swalking away from the basin, he's
like, oh, you know, let's dowhatever. I nearly swore that. I'm
trying not to swear, but thething is, and I'm going to just mention
our friends at the Doctor shownow because they. I don't want them
to think I'm copying them, butI just was listening to their show
this morning and I absolutelyagreed with them. It felt unjustified.

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And I think that's why Ididn't like it, because the Doctor
has seen many bad people, manybad things that would have justified
that sort of venomous, almostnasty speech telling someone how
they are going to die andthat, you know, you're going to be
this and you'll spend yourlife rotting in hell. It felt unjustified
because, you know, this guy,yeah, he was a bit of a bleep, but

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he hadn't really. You know,the Doctor's seen a lot worse that
would have justified that sortof reaction. This guy had just basically
posted some stuff, nasty wordson the Internet and, you know, yes,
he'd, you know, betrayed, chewhis friends, you know, Millie and
stuff. But, I don't know, itfelt over the top and I think if.
If they had been like a reallybig baddie that had wiped out half

(19:42):
the Earth or whatever, youcould have thought, oh, here's the
Doctor rocking up to put himin his place. But this just felt
a little bit tonally wrong forthe Doctor to be like that to me,
anyway, it kind of. This iswhat I mean about being up and down
throughout the whole episode.I was, like, loving it one minute.
This is great. Oh, hang on.How did he get into unit base? I
mean, come, uh, you know, andthen you get the speech and. Oh,

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I don't know, man, I had sucha. I was such a roller coaster for
me in terms of emotionsthroughout this whole episode, really.
I will talk about some of thebits I liked, by the way, listeners.
Sorry, I don't want to. Idon't want to go too far down this
rabbit hole, but I just haveto say that, yeah, the, the bit at
the end of the speech, I didnot like that coming from the Doctor
at all. And, yeah, I'm justgoing to say it felt unjustified,

(20:28):
I think, to it too far. Likeyou said, it was too far.
I mean, fair play to PeteMcTighe for, for going in that direction
in the first place, because Ithink he had to tackle a couple of
sort of larger issues in thisepisode. Right? So we had the whole.
The sort of gas lightingeffect with Conrad, with Ruby, and

(20:53):
we also had the. The widerissue of, like, sort of online echo
chambers and. And that's, youknow, those groups of people who
do nothing but, you know, justwant to crap on something. And it's
their sort of life mission to.Even if they. Even if it's not true,
then. But they believe it'strue. It's, you know, they'll. They'll
follow it through and try andget as many people in on it as possible

(21:16):
to spread hatred and. And liesand all that stuff. So he had a.
He had a fairly big sort ofalmost current issue to try and put
in there. And I guess theDoctor being that way with Conrad
was a way of, you know, sortof people putting their foot down

(21:36):
and saying, you know, whatyou're doing is wrong, you're hurting
people, you're causing harm,and we're losing patience. I think
a Doctor even says that. Hesaid, we know we've lost patience,
that kind of thing. So fairplay to Pete Matai for doing that,
for including that stuff inthe script. It's. It's very cool,
you know, because we'vecomplained in the past about Doctor

(21:58):
Who When it gets a bitpreachy, sometimes a bit on the nose
and. And whatnot. But I thinksometimes it does. You know, you
can use these things as a bitof a plot device to, you know, to.
To tell an intriguing story ifit's there. But like we're saying,
I think the way that theDoctor handled it at the end, it
did feel a little bit unjust.And, yeah, also on a caveat as what

(22:20):
you've just said, and withlistening to Rob and Dave on the
Doctor Who show, we. We're notcopying you guys with just, just.
I think it's just a generalopinion between Doctor Who podcasters
and creators. Some people,anyway. Some.
Yeah, some people loved it,mate. I was gonna say. That's why
I was intrigued to see if itwas just me. And then I was quite
reassured listening to RobinDave today thinking, oh, those guys

(22:42):
are kind of in the same boatas me. Because I think some people
thought it was great seeingthe Doctor turned out could be like
that, because, you know,obviously Con was a, you know, an
unlikable character, you know,so it kind of was. You were waiting
to see. See him get hiscomeuppance. But, yeah, I, I don't
know, it felt. It did feel alittle on the nose to me personally,

(23:03):
mate. I, I almost. It remindedme a bit of when Jody turned to the
camera that time, startedlecturing the audience on the environment.
I. I was almost expectingShooty to turn to the side and look
directly at us because it. Itwas clearly Pete McTeague writing,
speaking to a certaindemographic of the audience. So,
yeah, maybe that's why itrubbed me up the wrong way as well,

(23:23):
because I just felt like itwas a bit on the nose. But I kind
of. I do sort of like whathe's getting at in. In terms of,
you know, the whole think tankgroup and the spread of misinformation.
I thought that is quite. Youknow, that's an interesting thing
to tackle. So that's what.Again, that's what I mean about being
conflicted. I, I like the ideaof it. Just not quite sure about

(23:45):
the actual execution of thatidea in the episode itself.
Yeah, samesies, mate. Yeah, I didn't.
Didn't pick up the think tankis from Robot either, did you? I've
heard a few people mentionthat. That, you know, the Tom Baker
story. I didn't pick up onthat. So handing in my fake fan card

(24:06):
right here and now. But that'spretty cool. Like, I like that. Throwback.
Yeah.
Fake fandom.
Get out.
Okay, let's talk about.There's nothing else to talk about.
Mate with the Doctor becausehe's only in it for those two scenes,
really.
Yeah. And that was enough forme, to be honest.
It was also a Belinda Lightepisode as well, isn't it? Because

(24:28):
a lot of times when you have.I say a lot of times, the few times
that they've done a DoctorLight episode, it's always been in
favor of, okay, the Doctor'soff doing something, so we'll leave
it up to the companion or thecompanions to sort of push forward
and have their moment and, youknow, they'll be the, the hero or
the detective of the hour orwhatever it might be. But Belinda

(24:51):
doesn't even get that. She'sjust, you know, she's off with a
Doctor as well. So it's, it'skind of a. I mean, I'm conflicted
about that because it wouldhave been a really cool team up with
Belinda and, and Ruby in somerespects, but at the same time, this
is why I'm conflicted. At thesame time. I don't think Belinda
would quite be into it. Ithink she's just more concerned with.

(25:13):
She just wants to get homeand, and all that stuff. But, but
Millie Gibson back as Ruby inthis one. I really liked her from
last season and it's reallycool to see that. It's like she was
in it last week. It's almostlike she hasn't been away, which
is really cool. So herperformance was great. And it was,

(25:35):
it was, it was a little bitgoofy at times when, at the beginning,
when she's first, you know,having dates with Conrad and stuff,
and they're all a bit gigglyand weird. It's a bit like, you know,
if you went on to chat GPT andsaid, write me a. Write me a. A clumsy,
romantic script for two peoplewho like each other, but of, you
know, in that early stage,that's what it would spit out, you

(25:57):
know, that kind of, you know,dropping things at the same time
and you both kneel down topick it up and, and you're saying
things that are a little bitlike, oh, no, I didn't mean that.
Oh, it's okay. So it was a bitclumsy, the scripts, you know, for
that stuff at the beginning.But her performance, though, was
very cool and it was. And shegot better as the episode went on,

(26:19):
I felt as well. So when we gotto. Especially when we got to that
bit where they're out in thevillage, I think it's Conrad's home
village. And it all kicks off.The think tank thing comes out and
he reveals himself to be this,you know, nasty piece of work. And
then UNIT turn up. From thatpoint on, she gets. Really. Gets
better for me. So I. She was ahighlight for me, mate, in this one.

(26:41):
Yeah. It's good to see Millieback. I mean, her acting is great.
I have to say, she.
With a caveat, though. Sorry,I will come on to that. Sorry to
interrupt, dude. There is onebig thing that I wasn't too keen
on.
Oh, no, go for it.
So I felt like it was a reallyweird decision for her to suddenly
pop up and appear on Conrad'spodcast. I felt that was really strange

(27:06):
because I get the whole thingthat in the world of Doctor Who,
everybody knows now thataliens are real in that world, even
though it's based on our realworld, if that makes sense. In the
world of Doctor Who, the. Thepublic knows that the aliens are

(27:28):
real. This all goes back to. Ithink it was the first Christmas
special. No. Or the secondChristmas special when it's a Donna
Noble story and Wilf is like,you know, bloody aliens running about
and all that. So everybodyknows that it's a thing, which is

(27:49):
one. Which is, you know, oneside of it, I guess. But it felt
really weird that, for tworeasons, that Ruby would just suddenly
turn up and appear on thisguy's podcast. One, that there's
only so much that she'd bewilling to talk about in the first
place, right? So she couldn'tgo on there and say all these details
about the Doctor and aboutunit, as you know, it's all top secret

(28:11):
stuff and. And all that stuff.And she is a bit cagey anyway. But
then secondly later on inthis, in the episode when they're
in the village pub, she saysto Conrad that she's not okay. You
know, she feels like she's inconstant shock because she's got
a form of PTSD about all theseweird things that happened when she
was with the Doctor, but yetbefore that, she's happy to go on

(28:34):
and talk about all that stuffand. And all this. So I just felt
like it was a really weirddecision for her to first of all
go and track this guy down forwhatever reason, I don't know. And
second of all, like, oh, bythe way, while you're here, got some
microphone set up over here.Do you fancy a quick chat on my public

(28:55):
podcast about all this topsecret stuff that you do at unit?
And the doctoring thing? Sothat part of it I found really weird.
But.
And also how if Conrad's likeconspiracy theorist and he's got
all these followers forexposing things, how did they not
know about that? Like thefact. I think the family even said
they've been following himand, you know. Or has he got another

(29:15):
podcast under the. I justdon't know. There was things like
that didn't add up. And Iagree. I. I thought it was odd that
she would go on there to talkabout the Doctor, because surely
the Doctor, you know, if youthink back to Eccleston's first episode,
he's trying to wipe himselffrom, you know, search history and
stuff, isn't he wants to be anenigma and you've got unit, who are
a secret organization with agreat big, you know, Avengers Tower

(29:37):
in the middle of London thatyou seem to be able to get into by
coming in the back door. Imean, that was another thing. I'm
like, how did Conrad just walkinto unit? It just doesn't make sense,
you know.
But yeah, wasn't it, it washis mate that let him in?
Yeah, yeah, I think it was theguy, wasn't it? I forget his name.
That guy. Yeah, that guy thathe shoots or ever knocks out. But

(30:01):
yeah, I mean, just going backto Millie, it was good to see her
back again. I think it's anodd choice in terms of the writing,
though, that you've justintroduced a new companion this series.
You would think if they'regoing to do a Doctor light episode,
they would center it aroundthem so we actually get to know them
and get to, you know, warmtowards them a little bit. So to
have Belinda, literally just aone line, I thought was odd, you

(30:25):
know, Although I wasabsolutely delighted to see Millie
back and she was great in.Just seems again an odd writing choice
to do an episode aroundMillie, who is last season's companion.
I'll tell you what I did like,mate, though, is that we got to see
a glimpse into a sort of a,want of a better phrase, off screen
adventure. So we got to seethe Millie and the Doctor, you know,

(30:46):
on an adventure we've neverseen before. So that's kind of a
cool little idea that we justget a look into that. But then Conrad
sees the TARDIS disappear andhe sees all this stuff, but he says
he doesn't believe in aliensand doesn't believe in unit, and
UNIT are all, you know, it'sall fake and yet he's seen all this
stuff himself. Anyway, soagain, that made me question, well,

(31:08):
would, you know, wouldn't it?Why would he think it was all Fake.
When he actually has sin, theTARDIS disappear right in front of
his own eyes, you know?
And, dude, I know it's a bit.A bit thin, isn't it? The justification
for him being so stubborn andlike, yep, this is absolutely the
case. That UNIT is fake andthe aliens are fake and they're doing

(31:29):
it all just to, you know, keepcontrol and on all this stuff. So.
But I hadn't considered that,though, that. Yeah, he. He did see
the TARDIS dematerialized,didn't he?
Well, most of this. This, ifyou want to call it negativity that
I'm throwing out here, iscoming from a second watch, because,
as I said, a lot of it justunfolded when I watched this again.

(31:50):
You know, I started to sort ofsee things that just did not add
up. So on a first watch, itkind of went over my head a little
bit. But that's. So if I ambeing ultra critical of this episode,
it's. It's probably becauseI've just rewatched it and I've just
noticed a lot of things thatjust do not align, and that's one
of them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I justthought about that, actually, as

(32:10):
you said it. Yeah, he didwitness that stuff. And of course,
he saw the shriek when he was.When he saw the Doctor and. And Ruby
on one of their adventuresthat wasn't televised. This is just
one of those cool little back.That was pretty cool, actually, that
bit where we saw the Doctorand Ruby off doing something that
we didn't see in an episode.

(32:30):
I think she was supposed to beset just after Devil's Cord. Is that
right? I don't know.
Yeah.
And where. This is where Ineed you to help me, mate. Where.
Where are we when we pick upwith Ruby, you know, when she meets
Conrad? Is that. That'sobviously after the Doctors dropped
her off because her mum's atthe table. So is that sort of present
day?
No, it's before what we'reseeing now with Belinda.

(32:54):
Oh, yeah, of course it is. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, because this is inbetween. So later on. Well, towards
the end, Conrad asked theDoctor, have you met Belinda? That's
right, Chandra yet? And he'slike, who? He's, like, confused.
So it must be in between Rubyand Belinda.
Yes, yes, that makes sense. Yeah.
Yeah, I was gonna say. Butyeah, go back to. Millie gives a

(33:16):
Mate. Very, very goodperformance, given the writing that
she was given. And again, she.She held her own really well, just
like she did back in seasonone with 73 yards. She held her own
in that story in that Doctorlight. So she's getting a bit of
a knack for this, mate.
I'd watch him. I'd watch aRuby Sunday spin off. I think Millie's

(33:39):
great. She absolutely has theacting chops to be a lead character.
I'd be more excited for aMillie Gibson Ruby Sunday spin off
than I would be for the Landand the Sea or whatever is. Because,
I mean, this is so clearlytrying to set up that spin off that's
on its way, isn't it? Youknow, that's the leading. And I mean,

(33:59):
we haven't even talked aboutKate Stewart yet. Oh, my gosh. Actually,
I, I hadn't realized hownegative I was going to be on this
podcast. But we haven't evengot to Kate Stewart yet.

(35:33):
Let's do it. Sweet. Let's talkabout Kate Stewart then, mate. So
what's your, what's your gripe there?
Oh, the acting is just sowooden. I mean, I, I think a lot
of people said this was Kate'sbest episode and I think they might
be right in terms of sheactually had some, some meat on the
bones. You know, I just, Ijust find her acting so, so wouldn't,

(35:54):
mate. I don't know. I mean, atthe end when she set the thing free,
I, you know, I mean, don't getme wrong, I don't think she's that
bad. I'm probably being a bitharsh, but I was like, you know,
okay, this is, you know, theyare giving us some good stuff here.
You know, don't you talk aboutmy dad and all that. But I also found
that went on a bit too long. Iactually started to feel a little

(36:14):
uncomfortable that she waswilling to let this thing maul Conrad
to death. It again, it sort ofstarted to get play into the sort
of dark side of Doctor that Ilike, but it just pushed it a bit
too far for me personally,when he was. It just went on a bit
too long, you know, he's likehiding in the thing. And I thought,
this is quite unpleasant,actually. Not sure, you know, there's.

(36:34):
It's one thing to teach him alesson. Say, oh, you don't believe.
Oh, let me just let him outand introduce him. I thought, okay,
yeah, go, Kate. But then itjust went on a bit and I thought,
nah, this is just getting abit sadistic now. I'm not sure. I
think this is pushing theboundaries a bit in terms of how,
you know, the character shouldbe, I think.
Right. Yeah.
But then when it bit him onthe arm, I did have a little chuckle.

(36:56):
This is what I mean. I was upand down the whole way. I was like,
oh, that's horrible. Oh,that's fun. That's good. I don't
know.
Yeah, I know I quite like thatfrom, from Kate.
I think a lot of people did.
Yeah. I think Kate's characteris normally quite by the numbers.
She's. She's. It feels likeshe's a sort of person that has got
a rule book knocking aroundsomewhere a lot of the time. So it

(37:20):
was nice to have a bit of achange of pace. And the catalyst
being the insult to her dad,like, so she. I think the. I think
Gemma Redgrave was speaking toConrad rather than Kate Lethbridge
Stewart as a companion to theviewer. And what I mean by that is

(37:40):
like, oh, no, you didn't.Like, you did not just insult the
brig. So she's kind of actingas. As we all did in that moment,
you know, as fans of the Brig,you know, of classic who. It's like,
no, you didn't make. Youdidn't just go there. So it was cool
to see a cut loose a littlebit and go against the rulebook.

(38:02):
But I kind of get what you'resaying in that whole scene with the
shriek and she's letting it goon and on and yeah, you've even got.
You've even got what's hisface, haven't you? Saying to. To
Lethbridge do it. You'resaying, look, this is going too far
sort of thing. It's, you know,so I get what you're saying, dude.

(38:22):
But it was a cool scenethough. And one thing that made me
laugh was you saw the shriekgo take a chunk out of him and then
it cuts off, doesn't it? Andyou think to yourself, right, how
far did that go? Did it maulhim to death? Did it, you know, did
it not do anything? And Ithink they report back to. To Kate
and say, you know, he's gonnalive, he's gonna be fine. So when

(38:45):
it cuts to him in the prisoncell, I thought he was going to be
like head to toe bandages.
Like the invisible man.
Yeah, like face half rippedoff, all sorts, like in a real bad
state. But he's just got anarm band on. Yeah, it's just like,
oh, yeah, I'll probably be allright after this bit of a scar there,
but I'll be right. They sortof over egged that a bit. But so,

(39:07):
yeah, it was. Yeah, she was.But I know what you mean in terms
of her acting. Though, mate,she sometimes doesn't have a lot
of. I think it's just hernatural personality, Gemma Redgrave.
I think she doesn't have a lotof. What's the word? A melody to
her voice. It sounds a bitmonotone at times.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, and it sounds so.But I thought she was cool, though.

(39:29):
Overall, I will agree.Although I'm not the biggest fan
of her, of Kate Stewart, Iwill agree, was it was one of her
better episodes, you know, interms of giving her stuff to do.
I'll tell you what thisepisode needed, mate, to. For me,
I needed Morris to be in it. Ineeded Lenny Rush to add a little
bit of humor in between allthis sinister, dark stuff that was

(39:50):
going on. That's what Ineeded. Where was Morris? You know,
just. Even if that scene whereshe set the. The creature on Conrad
and it's all getting a bitintense and dark, it just needed
Lenny to be sort of popping upfrom behind, you know, the counter,
looking a bit scared andgoing, oh, you know, just something
to lighten it up a bit. So Imissed him this episode. I don't

(40:11):
know where Morris was. I mean,Mel's off in Australia somewhere.
We got Shirley Bingham doing athing, but it needed Morris in this
for me.
Yeah, I think they tried to doa bit of that with Shirley Bingham's
character.
It didn't work for me.
Yeah, she dropped a couple oflittle lines when Conrad's got the
gun and they're having a goodold chin wag and Kate starts to unload

(40:34):
a little bit on him. She'sgetting more and more wound up. She's
dropped a little, like. Youknow, I think you should drop a compliment
here. It doesn't. Doesn'treally land. We needed Lenny, didn't
we?
Well, I suppose we had thelynx hiding. Now I think about it,
he scarpered out of therepretty quick, didn't he? Didn't hang
around. Yeah, that stupid robot.
What did before? We just veryquickly run through a couple of other

(40:57):
little bits. What did youthink to the other main character
then, which is Conrad himself.So Conrad Clark, played by. I think
I'm saying this right, JonahHauer. King. Howard King, I'm pretty
sure. And a character that youlove to hate. So from that perspective,

(41:19):
I think his performance wasreally good. He. This guy had a really
good poker face, basically.Like that first third of the episode
where he's all very light andfluffy and he's a bit bumbly, a bit
clumsy, but you can tell thathe's coming across at least that
he's into Ruby and he's doingall that charming stuff and everyone's

(41:42):
happy and it's all lovely. Andthen that bit at the village when
it turns out that his mateswere just dressed up as the shriek
aliens and he pulls his shirtacross and his face just changes
immediately and his tonechanges and his demeanor. A really
good performance from thatpoint of view. And then from that
point onwards, you are kind ofshaking your fist at the TV a little

(42:02):
bit and you're like, oh,you're gonna get it soon. And we're
all gonna cheer when you, youknow, when you get it. So I, I thought
he was really good, mate. Whatdo you think?
Yeah, very, very good. Ithought his performance was brilliant
because although I, I guessedhe was going to be evil, like you
said, when he did the switch,when we got the twist, it. It still
made me go a little bit woo,you know, he was really. His performance

(42:26):
was excellent at the end whenhe's in the prison cell and then
the Doctor turns up and startsgiving him that lecture. I mean,
I shouldn't have been on hisside, but when he said to the Doctor,
get off my world, I actuallythought, yes, tell him. And I thought,
oh, no, I shouldn't be on yourside. What am I doing? But I was,

(42:46):
because his performance wasbrilliant and I kind of wanted him
to put the Doctor in his placebecause it is his world, you know,
the Doctor's just coming onand mouthing off and so I shouldn't
have been on his side, butbecause his performance. So good.
Yeah, I think he was a greatchoice of actor for that part because
he, he managed to switch from,you know, very lovey dovey to really

(43:09):
quite a nasty piece of work ora bit of a, as I say, a bleep. We
don't want to swear he did itvery well. It was a good performance,
you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas good.
He was good. And let's mentionMrs. Flood. She makes an appearance
at the end, of course, asexpected, she's now the. The prison

(43:30):
governor. She rattles thekeys. It kind of insinuates that
she's about to release himbecause she jangles the keys in front
of him. So one would assume,rightly or wrongly, that Conrad is
now a free man. I say free.Sort of on the run, as it were. Yeah,

(43:50):
and. But yeah, this, thisintrigue for Mrs. Flood continues,
mate. We still don't knowexactly what's going on with her,
but, yeah, she's back.
I. I think I'm in the minorityhere, but I like seeing her turn
up every week.
I love it. Yeah.
Oh, good. Yeah. Just. I'veseen a few people say they're bored

(44:11):
of her and stuff. And. No, I.I thought it's probably my favorite
one so far of her being theprison ward. And I loved that when
I saw the jangly keys, I waslike, here she comes. Yeah. It was
another brief appearance, butI loved it. And I am still intrigued
by the Mrs. Flood thing. I'massuming she sets Conrad free. I
wonder if this is all going toplay into the finale. I get the feeling

(44:35):
it might. In terms of Comrade,I feel like we might see him again.
I'm not too sure, but, Yeah, Iliked Mrs. Flood's appearance this
week.
Same, same.
I haven't seen anyone mentionthis, so I've probably got it completely
wrong, but did you say. Doesshe call herself the Governor?
Right, the Governor, yes.
What was the thing in StarBeast that the meep said so and so

(45:00):
is coming for you? Was thatnot the Governor or. The Governor
will not be pleased orsomething? Or am I just getting really
muddled, mate? Because thisonly came to me this morning. I'm
probably getting it all wrong.Who. Who's the big bad that we. That
was mentioned in the StarBeast, or has that already been solved?
I don't think he said the Governor.
What did he say? Because therewas this thing, wasn't it, that this.

(45:21):
Oh, who's the we? Was likethis mystery.
Didn't it turn out to just bethe toy maker anyway?
Oh, was it? I mean, it'sprobably already been solved.
I don't know. I know what youmean. I know exactly what scene you
mean. When he says, he whoshall not be named, or. No, that's
Harry Potter, isn't it? But Iknow which scene you mean. He does

(45:45):
have a little dig at theDoctor and says, yeah, that person.
But I don't think it's the Governor.
No. I'm probably. Probablyclutching at straws here, but I don't
know, it just came to me whileI was watching it earlier.
The old meep.
Oh, yeah, Mimi. We never didget that toy. I was looking forward
to that.
Oh, the plush canceled. We hadsome supporting cast members make

(46:08):
an appearance. We had Ruby'sfamily, two mums, Nana. Yeah, they
provided a bit of comicrelief, I guess, towards the beginning.
Quite nice to see. It sort ofrounded out the whole sort of vibe
that Ruby's back, you know, itgave some legitimacy to that because
if you just saw Ruby and thatwas It. It'd be like, okay, didn't

(46:30):
want to spend a few bucks nowand get the supporting cast members
back through his family. But.So that was kind of cool. And then
you had Conrad's mates whowere reasonably unlikable. And then
you understand why they are.Because even when they were trying
to be nice to Ruby and stuff,I thought, yeah, because there's
a guy, he's a real horribleguy. They're around the. Around the

(46:52):
table when he's just finishedhis pint and he went, you're around
Ruby. No, please, no, thankyou. Nothing.
No manners.
Yeah. And she just jumps uplike, oh, no worries. I've been like,
you wouldn't have had that ifme and Adam were out.
No, you'd be lucky if you getbought around.
Exactly. But they were. Yeah,as expected, I guess, but. And then

(47:14):
who else? So Shirley Binghamspoke about her. I think that's kind
of. I think there was a fewother people about little. Little
Conrad then at the beginning,mini Conrad, Benjamin Shivers. He
was sort of starstruck.Somebody else pointed out on. I've
listened to about fourdifferent podcasts now on this. Yeah.

(47:36):
One of them pointed out thatwhen he went back to his mum and
you saw the. That was okay,actually, that bit as. Although it
was a hard watch, where hismum sort of clipped him around a
year and doesn't really wantto pay attention to what he's saying.
That leans into the reason whyhe's grown up the way he is, isn't
it? It's. You know, we havethis whole. Much bigger subjects

(48:00):
of parenting and how thatleads to things. And that played
on this a little bit in thisepisode. You know, you had Ruby saying
that she's suffering fromptsd, and you can see clearly that
Conrad is not had the bestupbringing with his mum. And it's
that he's manifested that in amuch different way. Instead of going

(48:20):
inward and being like, Ruby iswith her ptsd, he's kind of gone
outward with it, and he wantsto take that out on the world and.
And all that stuff. But theyounger Conrad, another podcast mentioned
it was weird that he went backto his mum and said, I've just seen
the Doctor. And BelindaChandra is like, what's that got

(48:41):
to do with anything? Like, hismum's like, all right, who are these
people? I don't care. Who arethese people? So that was kind of
weird. But, yeah, aninteresting setup to the story, though.
Yeah, I know what they mean. Iwas gonna say, because I thought
was quite a nice little Introto the story. But yeah, it was. He
went back and said, I've justseen a box with a. With a Doctor

(49:02):
and a Belinda Chandra likethat. Like the kid would. That would
mean anything, you know, justmet some strangers. But yeah, it.
He was a good little actor forthat scene, I thought. Yeah. And
it was, it was, it was quite.That's what I mean, it was quite
a good little intro to theepisode because you instantly got,
you know, when his mum clipshim, you're like, oh, you know, you.
You start to sort of warmtowards a character and then we see
him later as an adult, soyou're kind of almost tricked into

(49:27):
liking him straight away. Soit was a good sort of way to lure
the viewer in, I think, tothinking comrade might be good, but,
you know, he's not going tobe. Yeah, yeah.
Just two more things on mynotes, dude. The first one was the
creature, the alien, theshriek. I thought that was reasonably
generic in terms of designingan alien for Doctor Who. It's the

(49:51):
usual kind of we need. We needan evil alien. So we'll give it red
eyes, claws, big teeth, thatkind of thing. I wasn't really blown
away by that. It wasn't toobad. I thought it was going to be
more scary looking than whatit was because when you see the build
up with the screams and. Andall that stuff, I thought it was

(50:11):
a bit scarier. So it wasn'ttoo bad. And then the other thing
is that I felt like MurrayGold's music went back a little bit
to good old times. Variouspoints in this. Quite creepy, quite
cool. And then the bit whereunits turn up in the helicopter and
everything like that, thatfelt very sort of 2007 Doctor Who,

(50:35):
you know, that kind of bigtheme as a unit, sort of pull up
and stuff like that. So I'venot really been into Murray's music
thus far, but I thought thisone was pretty sweet this week.
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm notgoing to agree. I thought it was
okay. No, the only reason Isay that mates because I'm on my
notes. I've written Units andup at Village, murray's MUSIC CRINGE

(50:58):
No, I think it was a bit. Itwas a bit Thunderbirds. I don't know.
I didn't know it didn't workfor me. I don't know, maybe I'm just
in a really bad mood thisweek. I don't know. But now I can't
agree with you on that onebecause I wrote it on my notes, so
I must have thought it.
Yeah, I Just thought it was a.It just felt like older Murray Gold
with putting some kind oftheme there that. Yeah, I don't know.

(51:19):
I think. I know what you'resaying. It was definitely going for
a theme rather than a bit ofgeneric music. So, yeah, it was just
a bit too. Too. I don't know.Just didn't do it for me.
Yeah. And what did you thinkto the Shriek Alien?
I kind of know what you meanabout the design, but I quite like
the look of them and I. To behonest, I think my favorite bit of
this whole episode is when westarted seeing, you know, the. The

(51:43):
sort of silhouette of themrising up outside the pub and, you
know, before we know thatthey're actually people in suits.
Very Scooby Doo moment. Thatas well, when they. Yeah, cosplay.
But no, I didn't mind thedesign, but I. I do also see what
you're saying about being abit generic, and maybe that was intentional.
But I did like the bit whereKate knocks on the window as well.

(52:03):
And that was. That was quite ajumpy moment, you know, when. With
the real shriek inside there.All was pretty good, but design wise.
I know what you're saying, butI didn't mind it. I thought they
looked okay for. For what theywere supposed to be. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually, one last thingI've got on my notes here, and I
don't want to go into Too muchjust 10 seconds on this, because

(52:23):
this could be a whole podcastepisode in itself.
Is this a can of worms readyto be opened?
It is, mate. Yeah. I'm notreally feeling I sound such a negative.
We sound so negative.
We are really negative this week.
I know it's not the case,though. This wasn't a bad episode.
But one thing that's notsitting right with me is the fact
that the Doctor seems to justchange clothes and costumes all the

(52:46):
time at the moment. And onething I'm really missing is going
back to. And it does make mesound so bloody grumpy, but going
back to, like, older DoctorWho. Not classic, but just, you know,
from, I don't know, Matt Smithor even Capaldi, where the Doctor
had an outfit and that was it.Like, you knew that the Doctor that

(53:06):
you were enjoying was in thatparticular costume and that was it.
The Doctor just wore that.There might be a slight variation
here and there, but the Doctorhad a costume and that was synonymous
with that particular actorpretty much. You know, I think a
lot of actors have had aninfluence and a say in how they want
their Doctor to look andthey've worked with the designers

(53:27):
and everybody and they've comeup with their own look. Whereas with
shooting, I don't know, itjust feels like he's. He's in and
out of H and M every week orhe's in and out of, I don't know,
some designer shop and he'srepping all these different things.
I don't know, mate. I miss thedays where the Doctor had a costume.
I hear you. I do agree withyou to quite a big extent. I mean,

(53:49):
I. I liked what he was wearingat the start of the episode. I don't.
Again, we probably won't seeit again. I don't mind him changing
up the costume now and again.I just think it's the frequency of
him changing. That's like yousaid, we. We do like to have the
Doctor to have a sort ofsilhouette, you know, the scarf,
the bow tie, something. Yeah.Shooty seems to have a new outfit

(54:10):
every other scene. So I don'tmind the changing up of the clothes,
it's just the frequency that Idon't like. So I do agree with you,
mate. And I mean, I liked hisoutfit at the start, but then when
he did the lecture thing atthe end and he's wearing that white
one piece, whatever it was,somebody said he's looked like he
just stepped out of cna. And Iwas like, yes. I did not. Did not

(54:32):
like that. I did not like thatoutfit one bit. That whole white
thing. That white outfit. No,no, just. No, I mean, that's what
I mean. I did. Maybe I justdon't, you know, stood there in that
thing and I'm like, where's heoff to? Like, what? Where's he going?
Yeah, yeah, he's got a hotdate. Yeah. So I do pretty much agree

(54:56):
with you. You know, I don'tmind it as much, but I do agree it'd
be nice if. A bit likeEccleston, if they just mixed it
up by changing the top, youknow, to a different color one week
or something.
Yeah, exactly that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anything on your nights, dude?
Yeah, I got. Trinity Wells wasback. I was pleased to see her. I've
missed our Trinity. I startedto think the act had got another

(55:18):
job because she's. There'sbeen moments where I've expected
her to turn up and she's notbeen there, so. Great. They got who
plays Trinity Wells, by.
The way, who is the TrinityWells is Lachelle, Carl.
I want to meet her. Does she?Not to any conventions? I love Trinity
Wells. Did you think it wascool having the One show and the

(55:39):
Masked Singer have theirlittle moments on the show? Because
I was surprised to see an ITVshow in a BBC show.
Yeah, it was. It was kind ofcool. We've seen that before, haven't
we?
It's very much a Russellthing, isn't it? Yeah, very much
a Russell thing. Let me have alook. I've got anything else on my
notes. How did Ruby. What?Can't even read my writing? No, I

(56:02):
think I'm pretty much done, mate.
Sure? Yeah. Okay.
There's something on thereabout Ruby which I can't read. Blimming
it. This is the problem withme writing notes while I actually
watch the episode. I reallyshould get myself a. Like you. You've
got it all on a computer, soit's typed out nice and neat. I've
just got a pad and pen.
Old school Ruby. Yeah.

(56:23):
No, can't read it. We'll neverknow what that note was. It's probably
something really positive.
But look out on the socialsfor an update from Adam.
My writing is shocking, mate.Honestly. Yeah. Oh, no, I think it's
how old Ruby meant to be. Iwas trying to work out where this
was set. That's what it is.
Oh, gotcha.

(56:44):
Yeah.
All right. Scores. I thinkit's me to go first.
Yeah, go for it. Yeah.
I'm gonna give this a 7.5. 10.As I said, very weird. Come across
vocally quite negative on afew things, but I actually thought

(57:05):
this wasn't a bad watch atall. Thought it was a good watch,
this one. What about you?
I can just see listeners facepalming, going, what? Because this
is the thing, probably one ofour most negative podcasts in a very
long time. And yet I'm givingit a 7 out of 10. I did. I don't
know, I did sort of like it. Ihad written 7.5. It dropped point
5 on the second watch, I haveto tell you, because I just noticed

(57:27):
things like plot holes. But,yeah, it was. Despite our negativity,
I think it's more frustrationthan anything, mate. It was another
one where I felt like, good,Good premise. There could have been
a really good episode. A lotof people thought it was, which is
great, but for me, just. Andyou, by the sounds of it, just one
too many niggles going on.

(57:49):
Yeah, I thought it was. I'vegot a lot of respect to. To Pete
McTighe and his script fortackling a few things that are, you
know, reasonably prevalentthese days in terms of online fandom.
And just online stuff ingeneral, PTSD and some other things.
And also I didn't really missthe Doctor too much in this one,

(58:11):
so a lot of people complainabout Doctor Light episodes, but
I thought this one was goodand I thought Millie Gibson's performance
was really great. And the guythat played Conrad, Jonah Howaking,
I thought those two werefantastic in it. So, yeah, it was
a good watch. Although wesounded negative, I actually thought

(58:32):
it was a good watch.
I think just one last thing aswell, mate, with Pygmy Tai, I think
a very similar thing hashappened in this that happened with
his, his episode Kablam.Whereas I think the central message
he's wanting to put across isa really good one. Is it, you know,
something that's. That'sinteresting to explore, but I think

(58:52):
somehow it doesn't. It kind ofgets lost. So with Kablam, you know,
it almost felt like he wassticking up for the big corporation
in terms of the way theepisode ended. I think in this, the
messages got a bit lost aswell. That, you know, his unit is
supposed to be the good guysand yet millions of people will have
seen Conrad's video of themsetting a creature on him to kill

(59:15):
him. And yet we're supposed tobelieve that people supported that
decision when he would havehad millions of fans will it to believe.
So it's kind of making you outto be the bad people. But that's
not, I would assume, pmatizedintention. So once again, I think
we've got a really goodconcept from Pete that the message
has got muddled somewhere inthe mix. And I think that's sort

(59:37):
of sums up my feelings towardsthis, this episode, is that my thoughts
on it are muddled because of that.
Right? Yeah, that makes sense, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah, makes total sense.Alrighty, and on that note then,
let's. Let's wrap it there forepisode 4, 2, 3.
Alrighty.

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Thank you very much, dearlistener, for coming back, listening
to another episode of the BigBlue box that was 423 in our review
of Lucky Day. 7.5 for me, a 7from him. Pretty reasonable scores
in the end after all of that.We will be back next week, of course,
to review the next episode inthis season called the Story and

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the Engine, which sounds, Imean the title is great. And that's
another one that is notwritten by Russell T. Davies. So
this week, next week and theweek after all guest writers. So
we'll see if that throws some,some variety in before we get to

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the, to the finale and allthat stuff. So yeah, once again,
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